Joe Rogan Experience #2162 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 2:17

   Sunglasses as instant confidence (and a celebrity shield)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Dude, I get it now.

   4. TDTim Dillon0:13

      You get it?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      I get it. I get, I get, I get the whole thing. The glasses.

   6. TDTim Dillon0:17

      You see how powerful you feel? (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah. You feel like you could talk shit, like you're in another dimension.

   8. TDTim Dillon0:21

      It, it... All the things that you do, like working out and, and, and succeeding, you don't need to really do a lot of that if you put these on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Yeah.

   10. TDTim Dillon0:29

       You get a lot of the effects-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       (laughs)

   12. TDTim Dillon0:32

       ... of like your, (laughs) you know, like being a trained fighter and all that crap. If you just put these on, you kind of get the idea of that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Hmm.

   14. TDTim Dillon0:39

       Until someone calls you out and kills you, but-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, you gotta avoid, like, actual conflicts.

   16. TDTim Dillon0:43

       You gotta run away.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       But you do feel superior to people.

   18. TDTim Dillon0:46

       Oh, for sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Like you have a suit on or something.

   20. TDTim Dillon0:48

       Yeah, for-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Like an Iron Man suit.

   22. TDTim Dillon0:50

       It's a... It keeps you away. It, it, there's a distance between you and other people now.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       That must be why celebrities wear them when they go out.

   24. TDTim Dillon0:57

       Probably.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       You know, like, like we'll see, like at concerts or UFC fights, you'll see celebrities with full-on sunglasses.

   26. TDTim Dillon1:04

       Interesting.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah. They're like a cat hiding underneath a, a chair-

   28. TDTim Dillon1:09

       (laughs) Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       ... and the tail's hanging out. It's like, "You can't see me, but I can see you, stupid."

   30. TDTim Dillon1:13

       Yeah. No, people, they, they do give you some... And a lot of people, I guess, are on drugs.
2. 2:17 – 3:20

   Trend cycles: mullets, baggy clothes, and why styles keep returning

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      ... Brian Bosworth used to wear. Do you remember The Boz?

   2. TDTim Dillon2:21

      I don't.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      He was the guy who was famous for his sunglasses. He was a big time football player.

   4. TDTim Dillon2:25

      Interesting.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      He was one of those... You know, every now and then, one of those fellas, like, uh, what's his name? The one that's dacing, dating Taylor Swift.

   6. TDTim Dillon2:31

      Travis Kelce.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      That guy. Like when, when one of those guys breaks through-

   8. TDTim Dillon2:35

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      ... and becomes famous? That was The Boz.

   10. TDTim Dillon2:37

       Oh, wow!

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       See? Those are, I mean, those were corny as shit in 2000, but here we are in 2024.

   12. TDTim Dillon2:44

       And look it, they're back.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Invest in bell bottoms, kids.

   14. TDTim Dillon2:46

       They're absolutely back. They're absolutely back.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator2:50

       He had a mullet.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Yeah, he had a mullet too. You handsome bastard.

   18. TDTim Dillon2:51

       Everything comes back. Mullets are back.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Hmm. Yeah, mullets are back. Uh, Theo probably helped with that.

   20. TDTim Dillon2:58

       Yeah, big time.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       And lesbians.

   22. TDTim Dillon2:59

       Theo, Theo.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Lesbians and lesbians.

   24. TDTim Dillon3:01

       There's not enough new ideas. You gotta recycle certain ideas.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Ev- after a while, you go, "The mohawk's not that bad."

   26. TDTim Dillon3:07

       Yeah, of course.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       What, what's the problem?

   28. TDTim Dillon3:09

       Everything was baggy, and then everything was tight.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Mm-hmm.

   30. TDTim Dillon3:12

       And now everything's getting baggy again.
3. 3:20 – 4:04

   Yoga pants, objectification, and contradictions in public modesty

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Yeah, I thought the whole idea of the tight pants was to show your body. That's what it's for, right?

   2. TDTim Dillon3:25

      For sure. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      It's... What happened, ladies?

   4. TDTim Dillon3:28

      I don't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:28

      Why'd you go baggy?

   6. TDTim Dillon3:29

      Something happened.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:31

      I don't get it. Go back to the tight stuff.

   8. TDTim Dillon3:32

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      That looks better.

   10. TDTim Dillon3:34

       Well, they feel no one can objectify them in a, in a b- if they wear a bag.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       Yet they'll go to the gym in yoga pants-

   12. TDTim Dillon3:42

       That's right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       ... that are so thin you-

   14. TDTim Dillon3:44

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       You, I mean, you could literally, like, read braille through them.

   16. TDTim Dillon3:48

       Right. (laughs) Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       And you see- (laughs)

   18. TDTim Dillon3:50

       (laughs) Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       You see your full vagina outline.

   20. TDTim Dillon3:52

       Yeah, it's just hanging out.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       And a lot of these gals are not wearing panties 'cause they don't want the line. They don't want there-

   22. TDTim Dillon3:58

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       ... to be a line, so they have just raw pussy-

   24. TDTim Dillon4:01

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       ... covered by yoga pants out there in the wild.

4. 4:04 – 6:43

   Suits vs hoodies: status signals, comedians, and Fetterman’s “sweatpants politics”

   1. TDTim Dillon4:04

      We're kind of lucky as comedians to wear pretty much... We don't... Like you dress up in a suit for UFC and for other stuff.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      Yeah.

   3. TDTim Dillon4:12

      But most of us don't.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Yeah, you don't... I don't mind a suit.

   5. TDTim Dillon4:16

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      I like it. I wear i-... If I have to go somewhere special-

   7. TDTim Dillon4:19

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      ... throw a suit on.

   9. TDTim Dillon4:21

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       You know? I don't mind it. Sebastian's into it. Boy, that guy.

   11. TDTim Dillon4:25

       They wear it. I saw Seinfeld at Gotham. He's in it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Oh yeah, yeah.

   13. TDTim Dillon4:28

       People wear them. Mulaney wears one.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Yeah, they like to wear them.

   15. TDTim Dillon4:31

       Like, I think, yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       It gives you a certain... You feel like you're some sort of an expert.

   17. TDTim Dillon4:36

       For sure.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       You know, you're, you're definitely better than the guy in the hoodie. You know, the guy in the hoodie is a fucking idiot.

   19. TDTim Dillon4:41

       Yes, I agree. But I'm the guy in the hoodie, and I agree with that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       Yeah, I agree too.

   21. TDTim Dillon4:44

       Like when I see Seinfeld, I go, "I agree that you are..." And it, it's, it's... You know, it's not even fashion. He's better in every way, but, but-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       I wear hoodies three days a week.

   23. TDTim Dillon4:52

       It's fun to wear a hoodie and jeans.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Yeah, it's casual.

   25. TDTim Dillon4:55

       It's a great-

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       It's loose. I feel comfortable.

   27. TDTim Dillon4:58

       It's a great thing to just-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       It's soft.

   29. TDTim Dillon5:00

       And to be able to make money in a hoodie is great.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Yes.
5. 6:43 – 11:43

   Biden’s age, performance ‘enhancers,’ and the question of who’s really running things

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      I f- I'm of the opinion, and I think you are too-

   2. TDTim Dillon6:45

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      ... that Biden doesn't exist. I th- I believe-

   4. TDTim Dillon6:48

      He could be the first AI thing.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      I think he's a, a living human being, don't get me wrong, but i- there's nothing there. It doesn't exist. So it's not-

   6. TDTim Dillon6:56

      It's not there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      ... every... I don't think there's a question about this.

   8. TDTim Dillon6:59

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:59

      So everything around him is what's supporting the country, which is kinda crazy.

   10. TDTim Dillon7:04

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       Kinda shows you that the system kinda works.

   12. TDTim Dillon7:07

       Sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       You know, when you got a guy like that, it's, it's a great kind of stress test to see, like, what happens-

   14. TDTim Dillon7:12

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       ... when you get a guy that's just going... And also, how much you can gaslight people into voting for him again.

   16. TDTim Dillon7:19

       Yes. (laughs) Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       (laughs) How much you can gaslight people into-

   18. TDTim Dillon7:22

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       ... voting for the people around him again-

   20. TDTim Dillon7:24

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       ... is what it really is, the people you don't even know, like this mysterious cabal of humans that's actually running the country.

   22. TDTim Dillon7:29

       Well, it's such a weird thing, 'cause he came out at the State of the Union and he was pretty good, but he was heavily drugged, like something... And now, you might know more than I know about s- like, certain types of things that you can do, like what... You've had all these doctors on and stuff. Is there a way to make that guy like that for the debates? Is he gonna be able to... 'Cause no, he wasn't great.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       What I would recommend-

   24. TDTim Dillon7:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       ... is, um, I would find, I would time it correctly, right? So I'd recommend that he got lots of sleep. I would cut all the ice cream out of his diet for several days-

   26. TDTim Dillon8:07

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       ... all the bullshit out of his diet. Then I would give him NAD infusions and IV vitamin infusions multiple days in a row, like three or four days in a row.

   28. TDTim Dillon8:17

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Then the day of, I would make sure that he eats really well, g- gets a lot of sleep, and then I would fill him up. I'd fill him up with Adderall-

   30. TDTim Dillon8:26

       Right.
6. 11:43 – 17:40

   Why Democrats stick with Biden: party machinery, celebrity messaging, and no viable replacement

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      But are they... They can't change him out now. Right? You, you and I both thought it was gonna happen in May.

   2. TDTim Dillon11:51

      We were convinced... I remember texting you. I was convinced... I actually heard from people that were in, kind of, you know, a- around the Trump campaign that thought they were also preparing to run against-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      Hmm.

   4. TDTim Dillon12:04

      ... somebody who wasn't Biden.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:06

      Right.

   6. TDTim Dillon12:07

      And they had believed that. They were like, "It's gonna be Newsom or somebody."... and it hasn't been. So why, not to sound like a nut-

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:17

      Hmm.

   8. TDTim Dillon12:17

      ... but why are they so... Why are they so committed to this guy? There's something weird about it. There's something strange about it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      Do you think that's it? I think he's the sitting president and they gaslit everybody into thinking he was fine, so now they would have to change course radically to-

   10. TDTim Dillon12:35

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       ... justify getting him out of office. If they just ha-... They, they just published an article, I think it was in The Times, that was talking about Biden saying that his age is his superpower. Did you see that?

   12. TDTim Dillon12:47

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       And then Seth, what's his name? The guy from the fucking Family Guy?

   14. TDTim Dillon12:52

       Seth MacFarlane.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       That guy-

   16. TDTim Dillon12:53

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       ... retweeted it-

   18. TDTim Dillon12:55

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       ... and was like, "This is an amazing, I couldn't have written this better, thing."

   20. TDTim Dillon12:59

       What?

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Right, right, yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon13:01

       What?

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       His age is his superpower.

   24. TDTim Dillon13:03

       So, so you'd have to turn that back. So you'd have to get all-

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       Yeah.

   26. TDTim Dillon13:06

       ... these people... Do you remember when there was a whole, uh, list of, um, a bunch of celebrities, they, they used to make videos where they would tell you what to do?

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       Right.

   28. TDTim Dillon13:17

       You know, what we need to do, what we need-

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Right.

   30. TDTim Dillon13:19

       ... to do. The end of democracy. Remember the bunch of them did that-
7. 17:40 – 23:11

   Harvey Weinstein reversal/retrial and the ‘moral panic’ of MeToo

   1. TDTim Dillon17:40

      He, they just overturned all of his convictions.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:44

      What?

   3. TDTim Dillon17:44

      Well, get some of what I'm-

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:46

      What?

   5. TDTim Dillon17:47

      But I, I'm telling you-

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:47

      Are you fucking kidding me?

   7. NANarrator17:49

      Something like that.

   8. TDTim Dillon17:49

      ... the prosecutors in the Harvey Weinstein case were encouraging the, uh, the, whatever you wanna call them. Right? The people-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:56

      Victims.

   10. TDTim Dillon17:57

       The victims. And yes, they are victims, but she was encouraging them to just... When I was a juror on a murder trial and they're in-... You're instructed as a juror, this was years ago, but I was, uh, you- you're instructed to only consider the facts of the case. You can only discuss the facts of the case.... these victims were out there, and they were permitted and encouraged by a very overzealous prosecutor to share things that weren't related to the case. And the fact that the jury could have based their... Here, here it is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       Wednesday's hearing ahead of Weinstein's retrial comes just over a month after the New York Court of Appeals, by a 4 to 3 vote, r- ruled the testimony of prior bad acts witnesses should not have been allowed because it was unnecessary to establish defendant's intent and served only to establish defendant's propensity to commit the crimes charged. He was convicted in the 2020 of first-degree criminal sexual assault and third-degree rape, and that he was sentenced to 23 years in prison. He has maintained his- his innocence. So, what are they saying now?

   12. NANarrator18:58

       So he's got a retrial.

   13. TDTim Dillon18:59

       He's gonna try-

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       They have a trial.

   15. TDTim Dillon19:00

       They're gonna do a retrial.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       Wow. How old is he now? 'Cause he looked fucking terrible. Before he was going into jail, he was walking around with a cane and a walker.

   17. TDTim Dillon19:09

       He's in his early 70s, but this is when directors do their best work.

   18. NANarrator19:13

       Yeah, it's not- D- yeah (laughs) .

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       But he's-

   20. TDTim Dillon19:15

       No, truly.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       But he's not a director.

   22. TDTim Dillon19:17

       Right. Producers, whatever. I have confidence in him, is what I'm saying. I think he gets out.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:21

       You think he's gonna get out and kick some ass?

   24. TDTim Dillon19:23

       Well, I think he gets out. He's got a lot to prove.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       Do you think they'll let him work?

   26. TDTim Dillon19:27

       They're not even letting Stacy work.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       They're not even letting...

   28. TDTim Dillon19:28

       Hollywood believes in nothing. They will absolutely let him work. They will let him work, and he should work if they-

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:33

       Ugh.

   30. TDTim Dillon19:33

       If, listen, if the retrial happens and they let him and it doesn't work, it is what it is, you know?
8. 23:11 – 35:48

   Separating art from the artist: Woody Allen, Kevin Spacey, and celebrity backstories

   1. TDTim Dillon23:11

      I... You know, you watch an old Woody Allen movie, you go, "I don't know if he's guilty. I don't know what happened." I go, "I don't want to believe he's guilty, but can I still enjoy the movie or- or not?" And then some of them, it is a little different. You watch it and you go, "It is... I hope he's not guilty, but-"

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:26

      Yeah.

   3. TDTim Dillon23:27

      "... there's a good chance he's guilty," and there's a documentary that's, I didn't-

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:32

      All of it's not good.

   5. TDTim Dillon23:33

      All of it's not good.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:34

      But if... I mean, even if it's like your neighbor's daughter-

   7. TDTim Dillon23:38

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:38

      ... and you've known her since she was two and then you wind up marrying her, that's kind of crazy.

   9. TDTim Dillon23:43

      It's not great, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       If you were an adult with children and your neighbor had a d- just... But then again, you- you know, part of your brain goes, "Okay," but like what if you really were in love? Like what if really-

   11. TDTim Dillon23:55

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       ... she really was the next door neighbor and really you were 60 and she was 30 and she loved you?

   13. TDTim Dillon24:00

       Right. Or if your wife-

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Is that okay?

   15. TDTim Dillon24:02

       ... had adopted her from Cambodia.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:04

       That makes it more complicated.

   17. TDTim Dillon24:05

       And you raised her but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:07

       That-

   19. TDTim Dillon24:07

       ... loved her still.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       That's the next level. So-

   21. TDTim Dillon24:09

       That is-

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:10

       What I was gonna say-

   23. TDTim Dillon24:10

       ... not ideal.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:11

       ... like, that, you can't f-

   25. TDTim Dillon24:13

       Yeah, well say that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:13

       You can't-

   27. TDTim Dillon24:14

       It's not ideal.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:15

       You can- you can look at the neighbor and say-

   29. TDTim Dillon24:16

       Sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       ... "Well, maybe you weren't close with the neighbor's daughter, now she's a grown woman."
9. 35:48 – 48:56

   Tech platforms, propaganda, and post-pandemic collapse of institutional trust

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:48

      You know, like, we don't have our shit together yet, and we started off with a really good idea that didn't anticipate technology, and then technology got involved-

   2. TDTim Dillon35:57

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:57

      ... in terms of, like, stock trading, um, and then influences of campaigns. Nobody anticipated th- th- you know, lobbyists, special interest groups. Nobody anticipated the military-industrial complex until Eisenhower talked about it on TV. It's just all these things got in the way of the original idea, that they just, they had a great fucking idea of how to make sure that no one ever becomes a dictator and that the will of the people gets served. They had a great idea.

   4. TDTim Dillon36:21

      And now they have an idea where everyone can kinda be a dictator.

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:24

      (laughs)

   6. TDTim Dillon36:25

      So that's not the worst idea. You can be a little dictator.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:28

      Well, what they really didn't anticipate is the power that technology companies have.

   8. TDTim Dillon36:32

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:32

      That's, that's what's-

   10. TDTim Dillon36:34

       They own your thoughts, dreams, hopes, fears.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:35

       Everything. Mm-hmm.

   12. TDTim Dillon36:37

       They have d- burrowed into your life more than any of the robber barons could, more than any of those guys.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:44

       Ah, man.

   14. TDTim Dillon36:44

       Morgan or Rockefeller, Carnegie.

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       They've gotten insanely wealthy just from your data.

   16. TDTim Dillon36:49

       Absolutely.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       And then convincing you you have to buy a new phone every week-

   18. TDTim Dillon36:52

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       ... every year.

   20. TDTim Dillon36:52

       ... and they're helping you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon36:54

       And that's the scary part, right? They're utopians and they believe they're creating a truly better world, and-

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:59

       And they're helping you.

   24. TDTim Dillon37:00

       ... and, and they're helping you.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:00

       It makes your life better.

   26. TDTim Dillon37:01

       And they're making your life better, and you do, and these are things that make your life more convenient and easier.

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:05

       Oh, yeah. How great is Google Maps or Waze?

   28. TDTim Dillon37:07

       So when they tell you it's more convenient to just not have this discussion or not have, be able to say a certain term or not be able to ... then you, you know-

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:17

       You just comply.

   30. TDTim Dillon37:18

       ... you comply and you go, "Okay."
10. 48:56 – 1:04:29

    Campus protests, Gaza/Israel, and ‘intersectional car crashes’ with Pride politics

    1. TDTim Dillon48:56

       I, I went to one of those protests at UCLA, and I-

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:59

       How was it?

    3. TDTim Dillon48:59

       It was, um, fun. You know, it is... It's, it's young people. They're trying to enjoy themselves.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       Is that what it was?

    5. TDTim Dillon49:07

       It kind of felt like that.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:09

       Like a little festive?

    7. TDTim Dillon49:10

       It didn't feel like Hamas had taken over the college. Like I know that...... it felt like there were people there that were clearly probably, uh, uh, pro-Hamas, right? As a, whatever you want to call them, as a group.

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:26

       Right.

    9. TDTim Dillon49:27

       But then it felt like there was a lot of kids there that just saw what was going on in Gaza and they were like, "We are against, uh, America funding that." And they went out to, to do that. And they wanted to, in the best way that they knew how, express how upset they were.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        Mm-hmm.

    11. TDTim Dillon49:45

        Now, you know, you can't destroy property. You can't commandeer areas. These are all areas where, in a civil society, you can't do those things. But I think a lot of the people, their reaction to a lot of what was going on was, was probably heavily manipulated, but some of it was organic. Some of them-

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:04

        It's also, they're just trying to be good people.

    13. TDTim Dillon50:06

        ... were seeing it on TikTok going like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:07

        Genocide's bad.

    15. TDTim Dillon50:08

        ... "We're seeing kids being killed."

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        Yeah.

    17. TDTim Dillon50:10

        "And we're paying for it."

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:11

        Yeah.

    19. TDTim Dillon50:12

        And, and we should do something. And I, I, the, the more people I spoke to, I was like, yeah, I didn't think that they were ... I thought probably a lot of them were, um, a little naive about certain things, but they're in college.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:30

        Right.

    21. TDTim Dillon50:30

        So that's okay.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:31

        Everybody's naive in college.

    23. TDTim Dillon50:32

        That's right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        Yeah, and it's a thing to be a good person. You want to go out and support the good thing.

    25. TDTim Dillon50:37

        Yes.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:37

        What's the good thing? Free Palestine. Yes.

    27. TDTim Dillon50:38

        That's right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:39

        They should be free.

    29. TDTim Dillon50:40

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:40

        From the river to the sea. Which river, which sea? Um-
11. 1:04:29 – 1:16:27

    World War III anxiety: NATO, drafts, ‘bomb Moscow’ rhetoric, and election-season escalation

    1. TDTim Dillon1:04:29

       I think that... And then the idea is like oc- I mean, listen, they're preparing. I mean, look at Military Times just wrote an editorial; they want to bring back the draft.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:38

       Damn.

    3. TDTim Dillon1:04:38

       They want to bring it back in Germany. Um, they're all preparing for some... There's, this is a, there is a very big push right now to militarize, uh, certain areas of the world, to bring back the draft, to, you know, see this as a cold war that could turn hot. Wh- Well, Biden b- basically said to the Ukraine, "Use American weapons in Russia. You can use American weapons for cross... But not in a defensive capacity, for cross-border attacks into Russia." Russia's now doing war games in the Caribbean. You know-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:14

       (sighs)

    5. TDTim Dillon1:05:14

       ... we are ratcheting all of this stuff up at a, at a, at a time when it is, th- we should be completely going the other way. We should be trying to figure out how to live on the planet with China. And we should not be getting involved, uh, in a, in, in a... We should not be encouraging countries to join NATO, to antagonize Russia, and getting involved in proxy wars. That's crazy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:37

       Didn't Trump say that he was gonna pull out of NATO?

    7. TDTim Dillon1:05:40

       He said that. He also said he would have bom- You know, at a fundraiser the other day, he said he would have bombed (laughs) Russia and China. Like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:46

       What?

    9. TDTim Dillon1:05:47

       He's very bellicose.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:48

        No.

    11. TDTim Dillon1:05:48

        Yes, he did.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:48

        He said that?

    13. TDTim Dillon1:05:48

        You can look at... Yeah, absolutely.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        Oh my God. Google that.

    15. TDTim Dillon1:05:50

        So he's saying all kinds of wild stuff now. I don't think he would have, but I think it might also help to be that bellicose and say all those wild things.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

        D- Did... Saying that you would bomb China and Russia?

    17. TDTim Dillon1:05:59

        He sat at a fundraiser recently.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:01

        That's...

    19. TDTim Dillon1:06:01

        And the people in the fundraiser were kind of shocked. He was basically like, "Yeah, we would have hit them, and-"

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

        What?

    21. TDTim Dillon1:06:06

        "... you know, we would have done it." Yeah. He's, he's been, you know...

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:10

        I gotta see this.

    23. TDTim Dillon1:06:11

        No, he's right here.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:12

        "Trump at fundraiser says, 'We would have bombed Russia and China.'" What? (laughs)

    25. TDTim Dillon1:06:17

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:17

        What? What did he say? Where did it say it? What the fuck did he say? "I believe that President Trump will be supportive of Taiwan when he becomes president. He was there the first term." So what, where does it say that he would bomb? Buzz this, I hear. "During a rally in Bronx, re- referenced several authoritarian leaders, including Vladimir Putin, saying they were at the top of their game. 'Whether you like it or not, the world is going to respect us again if he's reelected,' he claims. The bomb revelation was made in a Washington Post report on Trump's recent fundraising tour, during which he tested the boundaries of federal campaign finance laws, according to experts. At a fundraiser in New York earlier this month, Mr. Trump told the attendees he wanted to hear what they had on their minds, hearing options from, on former UN ambassador and his final Republican primary opponent, Nikki Haley, and several issues connected to Israel. Mr. Trump has routinely..." What does it, wh- where does it say about the bomb thing? Where does it say that? I don't see any of this. It should, that should be, like, front and center, (laughs) if it's in the headline.

    27. TDTim Dillon1:07:25

        Know for sure.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:07:25

        Like, why are you making me g- go all the... Where does it say he'd bomb them?

    29. NANarrator1:07:28

        They had it in quotes right here. It says, "The bomb revelation was made," but it must have been-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:07:32

        Right. But what does that mean?

Episode duration: 2:22:57