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Joe Rogan Experience #2164 - Action Bronson

Action Bronson is a musician, chef, painter, and author. Look out for his forthcoming album "Johann Sebastian Bachlava the Doctor'' and watch his series "F*ck, That's Delicious" on YouTube. www.actionbronson.com

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  1. 0:013:59

    Post-workout hang: sauna, cold plunge, and “Lucy’d out” energy

    1. AB

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) My man.

    4. AB

      Damn.

    5. JR

      What a day.

    6. AB

      I mean, it's a joy to spend time with you.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. AB

      It's fucking beautiful.

    9. JR

      We had a good time today. We had a good time today. Got a nice workout in. Went to some Egyptian barbecue.

    10. AB

      Oof.

    11. JR

      KG, it's KG barbecue?

    12. AB

      KG barbecue, yeah.

    13. JR

      God, I, I'd seen YouTube videos about them.

    14. AB

      (grunts)

    15. JR

      What an interesting story. Dude's living in Cairo, is a banker. (laughs)

    16. AB

      That's right. It, it always starts off like that. I, I, I told you, there's like architect this, that, they always have these dreams of culinary-

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. AB

      ... I don't know, dest- I don't know what the fuck to even call it, but...

    19. JR

      A-

    20. AB

      It's like when, like me, I wanna be an actor or I wanna play ball or I wanna be a fighter. I wanna do what I do. We all have these dreams, even though... Stay in the fucking lane, don't be the, stay there. Stop being f- stop being an idiot.

    21. JR

      Well, that is a thing, right? People always wanna do a thing that they're not doing.

    22. AB

      I like hard labor.

    23. JR

      Really?

    24. AB

      I t- I do, 'cause I do a lot of, like, fun, everyone thinks that j- my job is fun, and it is, there's no doubt. That's why I like to get in a kitchen-

    25. JR

      Want some coffee?

    26. AB

      No, I'm good. I got this espresso.

    27. JR

      Okay.

    28. AB

      I'm fucking Lucied out.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. AB

      It's like I'm, I'm doing things I've never done before.

  2. 3:596:04

    Getting fit again: kettlebells, mobility, core work, and yoga vs. “animal shit”

    1. AB

      I need to take care of myself, Joe. I'm, I'm not-

    2. JR

      Well, you have in the past.

    3. AB

      ... you can tell I haven't-

    4. JR

      You've have in the past. You know, you made a big jump when, uh, you know, you had one of your babies, one of-

    5. AB

      Yep.

    6. JR

      ... y- your kids, you just decided, "I am going to get fit now," and you lost a ton of weight. You lost a ton of weight. You, you got, you got real healthy, you started working out all the time. And you and I worked out together at the Onnit Gym and I was like, "Dude puts in work." That was real. That was, like, a real workout.

    7. AB

      Oh, yeah.

    8. JR

      You weren't, you know, you would obviously been working out a lot 'cause, uh, John Wolfe for-

    9. AB

      Love him.

    10. JR

      ... who's the master.

    11. AB

      Love him.

    12. JR

      The master, like, one of the best trainers on Earth. He s- put us through this workout. That's a fucking serious workout, man. Serious kettlebell shit, mobility shit, all these different body weight things. I think we did bear crawls. We did a lot of shit.

    13. AB

      So I was drenched-

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. AB

      ... drenched during the fucking stretch.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. AB

      Just doing the warmup stretch, I was-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. AB

      ... fucking e- it was harder than anything for me. Sometimes, the stretching and putting yourself in those, like, that's-

    20. JR

      Well, John-

    21. AB

      ... crazy for me.

    22. JR

      ... targets unique area, like, he's big on hip strength and hip flexibility. So he has you doing all these hip exercises with your legs up in the air in circles and all this stuff, and you're like, "Whoa, I never do anything like this. Like, this is hard to do."

    23. AB

      I haven't done it since him.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. AB

      I haven't had- I need to get back on that, 'cause those are the types of things that-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AB

      ... I wanna work with a core specialist like him.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. AB

      I need the core work.

    30. JR

      Right.

  3. 6:049:22

    Bulletproofing the body: clubs, shoulder stability, knees-over-toes, and tib raises

    1. JR

      I see when you're, like, swinging that mace.

    2. AB

      Oh man, I feel like such-

    3. JR

      You love that mace.

    4. AB

      ... a fucking barbarian.

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. AB

      It's a 60-pound hammer, for fuck's sakes-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. AB

      ... wrapped in leather.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. AB

      That feels-

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. AB

      ... fucking sick to manhandle that.

    13. JR

      Yeah, it's ha- those are so hard to move around, like, uh, we were talking today about those clubs, that the club I use is only 20 pounds, which just doesn't seem like a lot of weight. But when you're... got it out in front of you-

    14. AB

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      ... and doing these things, it's fucking hard to do, man.

    16. AB

      Stabilizing 20 pounds is still stabilizing 20 pounds.

    17. JR

      Yes.

    18. AB

      And you need those, those front da- that move that you were doing?

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. AB

      That just, that, that's bulletproofing all those little muscles around fr- uh, your shoulder area and your lat and everything. Just making you feel-

    21. JR

      Yeah, and I was telling you too, it's really good for archery.

    22. AB

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      You know? Because, like, a lot of it is extending your arm straight out. You know, when you're doing a shield cast, you're going around your head.

    24. AB

      Yep.

    25. JR

      And you're extending your arm out. It's like, ph- it's such a weird way to move your muscles, that when you're doing it, you're like, "Whoa. Why, why don't I do this more often?" Like, "Why am I bad at this?" How am I, how am I so good at this, so good at, like, lifting things up over my head, but anything gets sideways and around, I'm all squirrelly with 20 pounds?

    26. AB

      It's fucking worth feeling.

    27. JR

      That seems stupid.

    28. AB

      Like, when I do those little things with the-

    29. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    30. AB

      It's humbling.

  4. 9:2217:11

    Fight fan deep dive: Mark Hunt, K-1 legends, and terrifying punchers

    1. JR

      Yeah, Mark Hunt, who used to fight in the UFC?

    2. AB

      Mm.

    3. JR

      He has calves like shoulders, like two shoulders, like your whole body. (laughs) That's so big.

    4. AB

      (laughs) That's a different, uh, species of human being...

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. AB

      ... those Samoas.

    7. JR

      Oh my God, Mark Hunt, he was one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. You ever watch him in K-1, back in the kickboxing?

    8. AB

      Of course, yeah.

    9. JR

      That dude won the K-1 Grand Prix.

    10. AB

      Pretty nuts.

    11. JR

      Like, that is an accomplishment over everything else in standup combat sports.

    12. AB

      Not m- (laughs)

    13. JR

      You know, other than, like, MMA championships.

    14. AB

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      K-1 Grand Prix was, like, Alistair Overeem won that.

    16. NA

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      And you think about the guys that were fighting back then, like Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost, Mr. Perfect.

    18. AB

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      Like, damn. And Mark Hunt won that. Like, that's how good Mark Hunt was. Mark Hunt just beat some undefeated boxer in Australia.

    20. AB

      He won that? He beat, he won the match?

    21. JR

      He knocked the dude out.

    22. AB

      Of course.

    23. JR

      It was a fight where he was like... It was Mark Hunt has this big name. This guy's this undefeated, up-and-coming boxer.

    24. AB

      Mm.

    25. JR

      And he's really young, and Mark Hunt's, like, 40-something.

    26. AB

      He's 50.

    27. JR

      Bro, you gotta see this fight. It's crazy.

    28. AB

      Damn.

    29. JR

      This is how good Mark Hunt is.

    30. AB

      And that was recent.

  5. 17:1131:02

    Knockouts, brain damage, and when referees get it wrong

    1. AB

      Why do you breathe like that when you're knocked out?

    2. JR

      When you're almost dead.

    3. AB

      Okay.

    4. JR

      You know, you're almost dead.

    5. AB

      Makes sense. (laughs) Makes sense.

    6. JR

      Yeah, you, you're getting knocked unconscious, like, someone can then kill you. Like y- y- you know, it's like they've already put you away, now you're at their mercy. And if someone's just at your mercy.

    7. AB

      But you've seen them doing this before-

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AB

      ... and twitching, but ...

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. AB

      Like those deep crazy breaths with the eyes open-

    12. JR

      It's f-

    13. AB

      ... is fucking scary.

    14. JR

      Scary. Those-

    15. AB

      That shit's scary.

    16. JR

      ... those kind of knockouts are fucking terrifying. And how many of them can your body endure, and at what age? Th- these are the real questions. Like, maybe you can bounce back from one when you're 18, but when you're 35, you can't, you know? It's, it's ... There's just scary.

    17. AB

      Dudes who take beatings for five rounds, they must get micro, whatever that, this means. Micro concussions.

    18. JR

      There's no micro about it, man.

    19. AB

      That's what I'm saying. They're getting concussed-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. AB

      ... every fucking time.

    22. JR

      (smacks lips) Most likely if they get rocked-

    23. AB

      But how do you recover like that?

    24. JR

      ... if they get dropped ... Well, they're, first of all, they're, they're in an insane shape. Like, every guy who gets to a five-round championship level. Like, did you watch that, um, Sean Strickland-Paolo Costa fight?

    25. AB

      I sure did.

    26. JR

      Bro, you gotta be in bonkers shape to put that pace on a person for three rounds.

    27. AB

      It's unbelievable.

    28. JR

      Just s- ... Strickland just stays on you, just stays on you, and Paulo-

    29. AB

      He stays in the gym, that's why.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  6. 31:0236:14

    Grappling urges, fight fouls, and training tools: bites, mouthguards, breath restriction

    1. AB

      ... I wanna grapple somebody.

    2. JR

      Yeah, you were saying that.

    3. AB

      I would do a celebrity grappling, even though it's like... Celeb- fuck a celeb, just a grappling.

    4. JR

      As long as there's no heel hooks.

    5. AB

      No heel hooks. Grappling...

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. AB

      This is not jujitsu. This is grappling.

    8. JR

      (coughs)

    9. AB

      I wanna do collegiate style and mixed with Roman-Greco.

    10. JR

      Do you really?

    11. AB

      I don't know. Yeah, I do. I wanna fucking throw somebody around-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. AB

      ... for sure. I wanna fucking submit somebody very badly.

    14. JR

      (coughs)

    15. AB

      Every day I practice submitting a, a fucking sandbag.

    16. JR

      Do you?

    17. AB

      Yeah, every day.

    18. JR

      Did you ever take jujitsu classes?

    19. AB

      I did a couple of times, but I, I've been offered to go where my son goes, but I don't know, man. It's a-

    20. JR

      Get in there.

    21. AB

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Get in there.

    23. AB

      I need, I only wanna learn top pressure.

    24. JR

      That's it? (laughs)

    25. AB

      I'm never gonna be on the fucking bottom, dog. Fuck that. Only top.

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. AB

      Aggressive top.

    28. JR

      (laughs) But what are you gonna do to get up?

    29. AB

      I don't know.

    30. JR

      You gotta learn how to get off the bottom at least.

  7. 36:1446:21

    Terrence Howard aftermath: wild theories, “quantum yin-yang,” and science skepticism

    1. AB

      I, I mean, all... You use all these different fucking, these different things that people f- invent, I think. By the way, I feel like an asshole sometimes when I come on here. Terrence Howard.

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. AB

      Yeah. No, I don't even know what to say. I was, like, Googling shit to talk about after that.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. AB

      What the fuck?

    6. JR

      There's-

    7. AB

      What in the actual fuck?

    8. JR

      First of all-

    9. AB

      I, I understand it though.

    10. JR

      I kind of understand it.

    11. AB

      I understand it. I understand.

    12. JR

      Kind... I mean, it made sense.

    13. AB

      Tamizh may-

    14. JR

      He's making sense.

    15. AB

      He's making me believe.

    16. JR

      He's way too smart to just be making everything up. Like, this, there's no way he's just ma- he's a lunatic. Like, I've, I've heard people say-

    17. AB

      You can't just lie. You can't just come up on that.

    18. JR

      ... he's a lunatic.

    19. AB

      You can't just-

    20. JR

      He's making things... I'm like, I, I don't think that's correct. He knows too much.

    21. AB

      No.

    22. JR

      So is he correct? I don't know. And then that's, so that's what has, what has to happen is Terrence Howard has to sit down with someone who's, uh, an academic. Someone who's got a PhD in whatever discipline they're talking about. And they can have a discussion and you can see what he really knows and just what he can say to me. Right? It, to me, it all makes sense, but I'm a moron.

    23. AB

      No, you're not, but if you're talking to a mathematician-

    24. JR

      But now also-

    25. AB

      ... or if you're talking to a physicist, someone who actually can understand what these computations mean and what he's trying to say about one plus one or one multiplied by one can't be one. Like, no mathematics.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AB

      Everything is bullshit. I believe that.

    28. JR

      Hm.

    29. AB

      I wasn't (laughs) I wasn't good in algebra-... I'm be- I see, I see it more in a linear way. Not a linear way, a different way than him, like, more similarly to him.

    30. JR

      Right. Well, I would imagine that there's probably more to all, all these things.

  8. 46:2151:21

    China, offshoring, and the long-term cost of cheap labor

    1. JR

      This is one of the things that freaks me out about the current state of the world, is that we are at odds with China. And China has been-

    2. AB

      Why?

    3. JR

      ... around forever. They are so much more established. They've been around for 4,000 years, man. They figured it out-

    4. AB

      So many dynasties and ...

    5. NA

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      They've been thriving economically for 4,000 years. They invented everything. China invented paper. They invented alcohol. They invented the mechanical clock. They invented gunpowder. They invented rockets.

    7. AB

      I mean, bro, when I fucking order my clothes to sell, I get it from there. They do it much fucking better and cheaper than here.

    8. JR

      You can buy good American stuff.

    9. AB

      No, but it's not the same.

    10. JR

      Well, was-

    11. AB

      When you outo- All right, listen.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. AB

      I like America. But if you want to get it done right, you go to China. (laughs)

    14. NA

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      That's so ridiculous.

    16. AB

      Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

    17. JR

      That's so ridiculous.

    18. AB

      That is a crazy thing to say.

    19. NA

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      But it is fucked up that somewhere, we lost our way, and we decided that it would be better for some people over here to get things paid for in a cheap manner. Get cheap labor from a country where they let people work for like almost nothing, and buy your shit from them, and then sell it over here. But it's just short math, because like everybody's like, "Hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck the trickle down of that is? How about it ... We just make less money or we don't look at it in terms of like you're never gonna end, it's never gonna stop growing?" How about we just like maintain what we've got and make high-quality stuff and keep all these jobs here? Like what, what's the economic downside of getting rid of thousands of jobs every time they close a plant? Thousands of jobs. Just to make a little bit more money? Or even if it's a lot more money. Like aren't you making money? Isn't it so successful that you can buy a new plant in Mexico? Like what the fuck are we doing?

    21. AB

      People are fucking freaking out.

    22. JR

      It's so short-sighted.

    23. AB

      Yeah. It's all, it's all money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

    24. JR

      You ever see Roger & Me?

    25. AB

      Mm-mm.

    26. JR

      It's, uh, Michael Moore's best documentary, I think. And it's, uh, the first one too.

    27. AB

      I like Michael Moore a lot.

    28. JR

      Uh, he was young. He's a good dude. I met him a couple times.

    29. AB

      I met him one time coming out of the fucking 23rd-

    30. JR

      (clears throat)

  9. 51:211:08:06

    Made-in-USA vs. global charity side effects—and Bronson’s jersey identity

    1. JR

      Yeah. (sniffs) I work with Origin. Origin is a company in Maine. It's all American-made, everything, threads, everything, cloth, everything. All our hunting gear is made by Origin. All of it's made. They, they, they develop the pattern. They make it all. It's all, everybody gets paid well. Great jobs. It's just like, it just feels better. I always said that about, like, iPhones. Like, make me an iPhone that you make in America. Just charge me more money. Can you do, just put a little US flag in the corner, so I know-

    2. AB

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      ... I'm getting that one? And just charge me more money. Just charge me more money.

    4. AB

      It's like when, when you buy a pair of New Balance sneakers, the made-in-America ones are always-

    5. JR

      Yes.

    6. AB

      ... the better-quality stuff, you know? You know you're getting quality when it says, "Made in the U.S. of A."

    7. JR

      Oh, but also, you know you're getting it from people that you have to adhere to laws, like labor laws. You, you don't have to adhere to those if you're buying them from third-world countries.

    8. AB

      Of course.

    9. JR

      So, you're, that's, it's kinda weird that that's okay. And I know, I, I understand the economics of it. I don't really, but I understand that I don't understand it. I understand I'm not, it's not my place. But I get why everybody did it, but you gotta look at what's, what that, what the cost of that is. It's so insane. You know, someone was explaining to me that there's some African countries that get free clothes from the United States. So, like, they'll donate, like, free clothes. Like, a bunch of companies, and they get together, and they're donating free clothes. Which seems great, right? But a lot of these developing countries have people making clothes. And then all of a sudden, a bunch of free clothes get dropped off, and they're like, "Hey, what the fuck?" Like, "We're, we're, now, I'm not gonna sell any fucking clothes." Now you literally can't get by making clothes because they're giving away free clothes. And giving away free ch- free, free clothes is, like, a part of their whole charitable organization. Like, to make everybody feel great.

    10. AB

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      But-

    12. AB

      They don't need to be doing that.

    13. JR

      But you could, in fact, create a-

    14. AB

      Give them money.

    15. JR

      ... growing economy by giving people free clothes. I was like-

    16. AB

      Give them food.

    17. JR

      I would've never thought that. I would've never thought that giving someone free clothes could ever be bad. But it could be bad if they're actually starting to develop an economy, or they have a thriving economy, and somebody makes clothes there. And all of a sudden, you know, we think if we should give them free clothes, that's gonna (laughs) fix everything and make us feel better.

    18. AB

      I'll tell you this. In every fucking third-world country I've been to, they got fucking Lionel Messi jerseys. They got Vini Jr. Jerseys. They got all, they got all kinds of sports jerseys. They're not wearing any, they're wearing fucking jerseys.

    19. JR

      And they're getting-

    20. AB

      All kinds of sports clothing, Puma.

    21. JR

      Interesting. That's, that's the cool shit to wear?

    22. AB

      Always, always. Young kids always got the fucking soccer jerseys on, or just, like, a team shirt. I see Yankee shirts.

    23. JR

      That's always been the case though, right?

    24. AB

      Always. Come on.

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. AB

      I mean, I, to this day, my wardrobe is jerseys. That's all I like wearing.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. AB

      (laughs) That's all I like wearing. I've taken this-

    29. JR

      Is, is that a Patrick Ewing?

    30. AB

      Yeah, Patrick Ewing. I wore this jersey-

  10. 1:08:061:19:01

    Pandemic NYC: empty streets, supercar crashes, and traffic rage in normal life

    1. JR

      Yeah.... isn't it? It was g- what, those were so crazy days. You couldn't go outside without a mask on.

    2. AB

      I was wearing a gas mask to go to the fucking supermarket.

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. AB

      Can you believe that? (laughs) I had a fucking 3M gas mask with the two things here.

    5. JR

      (screams)

    6. AB

      I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, "What am I doing?"

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. AB

      And I just took that shit off. And I'm like, "Yo, everyone's gonna have to deal with me."

    9. JR

      Uh.

    10. AB

      If you're outside and I'm outside, it's on you.

    11. JR

      Well, in LA, people would yell at you. They'd yell at you if you'd be outside with no mask on.

    12. AB

      There was nobody out in the streets of New York. I had the whole city to myself.

    13. JR

      There was a lot of days like that, right?

    14. AB

      Had the whole city to myself. I would get from one place to another in lightning speed.

    15. JR

      Do you remember there was this one kid who crashed, like, a million-dollar Porsche? He crashed something like crazy ex- I think it was, like, one of those Carrera GTs. Like, someone-

    16. AB

      That Paul Walker one?

    17. JR

      Yeah. It was either that or the 918. Like, something cr- some crazy car. And this dude was just using New York City like a racetrack, 'cause there was no cars.

    18. AB

      I didn't know about that.

    19. JR

      'Cause-

    20. AB

      I was doing the same thing in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, though.

    21. JR

      Oh yeah. (laughs)

    22. AB

      Like, that's the problem. (laughs)

    23. JR

      This guy fucked up that car.

    24. AB

      Mm, that's a nice one.

    25. JR

      Yeah, that's a, that's a Carrera GT. There's not that many of them in the world. And this is a Gemballa.

    26. AB

      That looks total.

    27. JR

      He has charges dismissed. Oh, the charges are dismissed? So this dude was just driving around like a fucking psychopath.

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