Joe Rogan Experience #2164 - Action Bronson

Action Bronson 0:01 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) My man.

Action Bronson 0:13 Damn.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What a day.

Action Bronson 0:15 I mean, it's a joy to spend time with you.

Joe Rogan 0:17 (laughs)

Action Bronson 0:17 It's fucking beautiful.

Joe Rogan 0:18 We had a good time today. We had a good time today. Got a nice workout in. Went to some Egyptian barbecue.

Action Bronson 0:24 Oof.

Joe Rogan 0:25 KG, it's KG barbecue?

Action Bronson 0:26 KG barbecue, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:27 God, I, I'd seen YouTube videos about them.

Action Bronson 0:30 (grunts)

Joe Rogan 0:30 What an interesting story. Dude's living in Cairo, is a banker. (laughs)

Action Bronson 0:36 That's right. It, it always starts off like that. I, I, I told you, there's like architect this, that, they always have these dreams of culinary-

Joe Rogan 0:45 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 0:45 ... I don't know, dest- I don't know what the fuck to even call it, but...

Joe Rogan 0:49 A-

Action Bronson 0:49 It's like when, like me, I wanna be an actor or I wanna play ball or I wanna be a fighter. I wanna do what I do. We all have these dreams, even though... Stay in the fucking lane, don't be the, stay there. Stop being f- stop being an idiot.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Well, that is a thing, right? People always wanna do a thing that they're not doing.

Action Bronson 1:08 I like hard labor.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Really?

Action Bronson 1:10 I t- I do, 'cause I do a lot of, like, fun, everyone thinks that j- my job is fun, and it is, there's no doubt. That's why I like to get in a kitchen-

Joe Rogan 1:18 Want some coffee?

Action Bronson 1:18 No, I'm good. I got this espresso.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Okay.

Action Bronson 1:20 I'm fucking Lucied out.

Joe Rogan 1:23 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:23 It's like I'm, I'm doing things I've never done before.

Joe Rogan 1:26 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:26 I'm like a little fucking floozy right now. I love it.

Joe Rogan 1:28 We got you in a sauna, we got you in a cold plunge, got you a Lucy.

Action Bronson 1:32 (sighs) Let me tell you something. 200 degrees in the sauna, my ribs are ready to be eaten.

Joe Rogan 1:38 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:38 (laughs) You know, r- I don't even know how long, the first time it was 10 minutes, but the second time seemed longer.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Well, the second time was easier though, right? 'Cause you're coming out of the cold.

Action Bronson 1:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48 A little easier.

Action Bronson 1:49 That was-

Joe Rogan 1:49 I think we did, I think we did another 10 after the cold, just to bring you back to base. The, there's a feeling that you get when you go from the cold to the hot that is, like, wonderful. It's, like, like, psychedelic. It's like, ah.

Action Bronson 2:03 I was standing there in a towel for 30 minutes.

Joe Rogan 2:05 (laughs)

Action Bronson 2:06 (coughs) Just the towel, no shock- no socks on, no nothing, just standing there looking like, "Man."

Joe Rogan 2:11 (sighs)

Action Bronson 2:12 "That was fucking sick."

Joe Rogan 2:13 Yeah.

Action Bronson 2:14 No, because I never did the cold plunge and I did it, hopped out, and you were like, "No, no, no. Get back in." That's what I needed. I needed the motivation to be put back in, and that really gave me the benefits from everything, I think.

Joe Rogan 2:26 It is really all battling with this part of your brain that says, "Get out now." That's all it is. And you have to learn how to conquer that part of your brain. You don't ever really conquer it. You just silence it. It's always there. Like, it's, uh, you're, but you know you're only gonna do three minutes. Even if you're only gonna do three minutes, it's like your body's like, "Fuck, how many minutes are we in now? One mi- one minute 20? Oh my God, we're not even halfway there." And your body's- and if you let that anxiety spiral out, much like in life, much like when people have problems in life, you let that anxiety spiral out and everything gets way worse. Like, when you're in that situation, you just have to say, "This is what I'm doing. This is just what I'm doing, and I'm gonna do this for three minutes, and there's no if, ands, or buts, and I've done it before. I know I can do it again. I know it sucks. Just do it." But when I first did it, the first time I got in, I was like (panting) , I couldn't, I made it a minute and 20 seconds, I think, and I was like, "I gotta get the fuck out. I can't handle it." Just too much.

Action Bronson 3:25 Yeah, I was hyperventilating.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah. You're, y- it's, but a lot of it is your mind. It's not really the reaction that your body has to it. The reaction that your body has is really only, like, a mild discomfort. It's your brain freaking you out that you've gotta get out now, and it starts just, like, trying to move your body out. You- your anxiety just kicks in, like, "Wah!"

Action Bronson 3:47 Yeah. It, at 55 seconds, I was ready to fucking jump out.

Joe Rogan 3:51 (laughs)

Action Bronson 3:51 Didn't, I, there was no, there was nothing left in me.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Ugh. Yeah.

Action Bronson 3:54 But it was a good start, I think.

Joe Rogan 3:56 That's-

Action Bronson 3:57 I think that was the start to a lot.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's-

Action Bronson 3:59 I need to take care of myself, Joe. I'm, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 4:01 Well, you have in the past.

Action Bronson 4:02 ... you can tell I haven't-

Joe Rogan 4:03 You've have in the past. You know, you made a big jump when, uh, you know, you had one of your babies, one of-

Action Bronson 4:09 Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:10 ... y- your kids, you just decided, "I am going to get fit now," and you lost a ton of weight. You lost a ton of weight. You, you got, you got real healthy, you started working out all the time. And you and I worked out together at the Onnit Gym and I was like, "Dude puts in work." That was real. That was, like, a real workout.

Action Bronson 4:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:26 You weren't, you know, you would obviously been working out a lot 'cause, uh, John Wolfe for-

Action Bronson 4:32 Love him.

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... who's the master.

Action Bronson 4:33 Love him.

Joe Rogan 4:33 The master, like, one of the best trainers on Earth. He s- put us through this workout. That's a fucking serious workout, man. Serious kettlebell shit, mobility shit, all these different body weight things. I think we did bear crawls. We did a lot of shit.

Action Bronson 4:48 So I was drenched-

Joe Rogan 4:49 Right.

Action Bronson 4:49 ... drenched during the fucking stretch.

Joe Rogan 4:52 (laughs)

Action Bronson 4:52 Just doing the warmup stretch, I was-

Joe Rogan 4:54 Yeah.

Action Bronson 4:54 ... fucking e- it was harder than anything for me. Sometimes, the stretching and putting yourself in those, like, that's-

Joe Rogan 5:00 Well, John-

Action Bronson 5:01 ... crazy for me.

Joe Rogan 5:01 ... targets unique area, like, he's big on hip strength and hip flexibility. So he has you doing all these hip exercises with your legs up in the air in circles and all this stuff, and you're like, "Whoa, I never do anything like this. Like, this is hard to do."

Action Bronson 5:15 I haven't done it since him.

Joe Rogan 5:16 (laughs)

Action Bronson 5:16 I haven't had- I need to get back on that, 'cause those are the types of things that-

Joe Rogan 5:20 Yeah.

Action Bronson 5:20 ... I wanna work with a core specialist like him.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 5:23 I need the core work.

Joe Rogan 5:24 Right.

Action Bronson 5:25 Yeah, you see, we got the pushing and this and that. It's like-

Joe Rogan 5:27 You're very strong.

Action Bronson 5:28 That stuff is-

Joe Rogan 5:29 Yeah.

Action Bronson 5:29 ... kind of easy for us, like, the pushing and shit, but for me, I need more core work.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Right.

Action Bronson 5:35 I need to stabilize this midsection, have great basket-

Joe Rogan 5:39 You done any yoga? You done any yoga?

Action Bronson 5:40 I've done yoga. I've done-

Joe Rogan 5:42 Yoga's the ultimate.

Action Bronson 5:43 ... Pilates. Yoga-

Joe Rogan 5:44 Yoga, out of all those things, like, keeping your body balanced and having strength and flexibility, yoga's the king.

Action Bronson 5:50 I can't stay on that kick. I don't know. I need-

Joe Rogan 5:52 (laughs)

Action Bronson 5:53 ... I need some animal shit.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Yeah.

Action Bronson 5:55 I also need, I know, what n- what I need for my body is probably yoga, but what I wanna do is animal shit.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Animal shit makes you feel better, right?

Action Bronson 6:03 It does. It makes me feel more manly.

Joe Rogan 6:04 I see when you're, like, swinging that mace.

Action Bronson 6:05 Oh man, I feel like such-

Joe Rogan 6:07 You love that mace.

Action Bronson 6:07 ... a fucking barbarian.

Joe Rogan 6:08 (laughs)

Action Bronson 6:09 It's a 60-pound hammer, for fuck's sakes-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Yeah.

Action Bronson 6:12 ... wrapped in leather.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Yeah.

Action Bronson 6:13 That feels-

Joe Rogan 6:14 Yeah.

Action Bronson 6:14 ... fucking sick to manhandle that.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yeah, it's ha- those are so hard to move around, like, uh, we were talking today about those clubs, that the club I use is only 20 pounds, which just doesn't seem like a lot of weight. But when you're... got it out in front of you-

Action Bronson 6:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:27 ... and doing these things, it's fucking hard to do, man.

Action Bronson 6:30 Stabilizing 20 pounds is still stabilizing 20 pounds.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Yes.

Action Bronson 6:33 And you need those, those front da- that move that you were doing?

Joe Rogan 6:37 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 6:37 That just, that, that's bulletproofing all those little muscles around fr- uh, your shoulder area and your lat and everything. Just making you feel-

Joe Rogan 6:46 Yeah, and I was telling you too, it's really good for archery.

Action Bronson 6:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:48 You know? Because, like, a lot of it is extending your arm straight out. You know, when you're doing a shield cast, you're going around your head.

Action Bronson 6:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 6:55 And you're extending your arm out. It's like, ph- it's such a weird way to move your muscles, that when you're doing it, you're like, "Whoa. Why, why don't I do this more often?" Like, "Why am I bad at this?" How am I, how am I so good at this, so good at, like, lifting things up over my head, but anything gets sideways and around, I'm all squirrelly with 20 pounds?

Action Bronson 7:12 It's fucking worth feeling.

Joe Rogan 7:13 That seems stupid.

Action Bronson 7:14 Like, when I do those little things with the-

Joe Rogan 7:16 Oh, yeah.

Action Bronson 7:16 It's humbling.

Joe Rogan 7:17 You feel like such a bitch.

Action Bronson 7:18 Yes, like, "Ugh."

Joe Rogan 7:18 15 pounds, like, "Aah. Aah."

Action Bronson 7:20 S- what are we doing here? They laugh. I laugh-

Joe Rogan 7:22 Yeah.

Action Bronson 7:22 ... at myself. I look like an idiot. But those are the types of things I need to warm up to be able to push-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Yeah.

Action Bronson 7:28 ... some heavy shit.

Joe Rogan 7:29 Well, it's j- just, like, also just to balance out your body. You know, we were talking about that Ben Patrick gentleman, uh, who created that knees over toes stuff.

Action Bronson 7:37 Yup.

Joe Rogan 7:37 And we were doing the Nordic curls today. And I was saying, like, when I first did that, I couldn't even do one. I couldn't do one, and I was shocked. I was like, "I have pretty strong legs, like from kicking and stuff. Like, why can't I lift myself up with my legs?" Couldn't even do one.

Action Bronson 7:51 It's a lot of pressure on the knee.

Joe Rogan 7:53 It just felt weird.

Action Bronson 7:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Like, "Why am I so weak this way?" It's like, I would've thought that I would be able to lift myself up easy, just like I can lift myself up with my abs if I'm sitting down. I thought, I thought, "This is not gonna be hard." Uh-

Action Bronson 8:04 I thought I was gonna do it easily too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:06 (laughs) It's so hard.

Action Bronson 8:06 And then when I got into the apparatus, I realized that I'm a fucking... I'm very weak in that area.

Joe Rogan 8:12 (laughs) Yeah, y- that's, like, what Ben Patrick talks about, is strengthening all of these areas. The- it's not a sexy exercise to do, like tib raises. You know, when you got f- uh, weight on your foot-

Action Bronson 8:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 ... and you're raising your f- your toes up towards your knees. But that's really good.

Action Bronson 8:26 But let's be honest, if you're a real motherfucker, you know that that's what makes the leg look good.

Joe Rogan 8:30 (laughs)

Action Bronson 8:31 That's what makes the leg look strong, is that tib.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Big thick muscles down there.

Action Bronson 8:36 When you flex your toe up-

Joe Rogan 8:39 Yeah.

Action Bronson 8:39 ... and that thing pops out in the front of the shin-

Joe Rogan 8:41 Mm.

Action Bronson 8:42 ... that looks fire.

Joe Rogan 8:43 (laughs) It does. It does.

Action Bronson 8:43 (laughs) It does. That's like some flex. That's like some musc- like, muscular development. That's all I wanted, was that tib work.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Yeah, there's something super impressive about dudes with big ass calves.

Action Bronson 8:54 Natural ones too. Like, I'm... You can't get them to a diamond if they weren't a diamond in the beginning.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Right.

Action Bronson 9:00 They'll get nice, but they'll never be naturally diamond.

Joe Rogan 9:04 Right, right, right.

Action Bronson 9:05 You know?

Joe Rogan 9:06 Yeah.

Action Bronson 9:06 When you see, like my boy Mikey Spears, he works out. He's, you know, he's in decent shape now. He's got himself together. But my fucking lord, this calf.

Joe Rogan 9:15 (laughs)

Action Bronson 9:16 The calf on this fucking kid is unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Yeah.

Action Bronson 9:20 It's like a horse calf.

Joe Rogan 9:22 Yeah, Mark Hunt, who used to fight in the UFC?

Action Bronson 9:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 9:24 He has calves like shoulders, like two shoulders, like your whole body. (laughs) That's so big.

Action Bronson 9:29 (laughs) That's a different, uh, species of human being...

Joe Rogan 9:32 Yeah.

Action Bronson 9:32 ... those Samoas.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Oh my God, Mark Hunt, he was one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. You ever watch him in K-1, back in the kickboxing?

Action Bronson 9:40 Of course, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:41 That dude won the K-1 Grand Prix.

Action Bronson 9:43 Pretty nuts.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Like, that is an accomplishment over everything else in standup combat sports.

Action Bronson 9:49 Not m- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:49 You know, other than, like, MMA championships.

Action Bronson 9:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:52 K-1 Grand Prix was, like, Alistair Overeem won that.

Narrator 9:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:55 And you think about the guys that were fighting back then, like Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost, Mr. Perfect.

Action Bronson 10:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Like, damn. And Mark Hunt won that. Like, that's how good Mark Hunt was. Mark Hunt just beat some undefeated boxer in Australia.

Action Bronson 10:10 He won that? He beat, he won the match?

Joe Rogan 10:11 He knocked the dude out.

Action Bronson 10:12 Of course.

Joe Rogan 10:12 It was a fight where he was like... It was Mark Hunt has this big name. This guy's this undefeated, up-and-coming boxer.

Action Bronson 10:19 Mm.

Joe Rogan 10:19 And he's really young, and Mark Hunt's, like, 40-something.

Action Bronson 10:21 He's 50.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Bro, you gotta see this fight. It's crazy.

Action Bronson 10:25 Damn.

Joe Rogan 10:25 This is how good Mark Hunt is.

Action Bronson 10:26 And that was recent.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Recent.

Action Bronson 10:27 Yeah, 'cause I saw him talking about it.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Like, within a year.

Action Bronson 10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Within a year or so, right, Jamie? Something like that?

Narrator 10:33 I said January. Does that sound right?

Joe Rogan 10:34 I think that's it. So, yeah. So within a year. And bro, it was a crazy fight. And the guy was good too. The guy's good. He's a good fighter. And they were building this guy up. And I think, you know, when boxing is like, they're very careful about how they match fighters up, you know? And it's really intelligent, I think, if it's done correctly. If you test them correctly along the way, and you give them fights they can win, and they keep getting better... But the UFC does not do that.

Action Bronson 11:02 They feed you to the wolves.

Joe Rogan 11:03 (laughs)

Action Bronson 11:03 Dogs. UFC is like, "Dog eat dog."

Joe Rogan 11:05 This is, this is a wolf farm.

Action Bronson 11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:07 All right? If you're not a wolf, we don't build you into a wolf. Like, "Tell me when you're ready to be a wolf." You know, like, you could get a guy like Jon Jones right off the bat, t- you know, 21 years old, just smoking people. Like, that's your first fight in the UFC. His fight, your fight. Fuck.

Action Bronson 11:23 I watched that first fight-

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah.

Action Bronson 11:25 ... while I was working in a kitchen on Spike TV, his deb-

Joe Rogan 11:27 (laughs)

Action Bronson 11:27 I watched from the debut of Jon Jones-

Joe Rogan 11:30 Yeah.

Action Bronson 11:30 ... till now.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Yeah, man. If you run into a special talent like that, uh, you know, Jon's the youngest ever UFC champion.

Action Bronson 11:38 That's right.

Joe Rogan 11:38 And, and he beat a legend, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, in v- in Jersey.

Action Bronson 11:42 Demolished him.

Joe Rogan 11:43 And by the way, captured a burglar the day of the fight.

Action Bronson 11:47 That day?

Joe Rogan 11:48 Yeah, that day. Chased some dude down that like, I think p- snatched some lady's purse or something. Tackled the dude. Yeah, he... So, we'll get to that. But this is Mark Hunt.

Action Bronson 11:57 Oh, he looks good.

Joe Rogan 11:58 And this young kid is like, "This..."

Action Bronson 12:00 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:00 Oh, look at the... Bro, that right hand. Come on, son.

Action Bronson 12:02 (laughs) Ugh.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Bro, Mark Hunt's-

Action Bronson 12:05 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 12:05 ... been putting it on people since the '90s. He stopped this dude.

Action Bronson 12:09 A lot of my boys are from G- uh, from New Zealand. And they used to tell me their stories of Mark Hunt being a fucking menace on K' Road.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Oh, bro.

Action Bronson 12:18 The Menace of K' Road, Mark Hunt.

Joe Rogan 12:20 (laughs) Are you imagining getting-

Action Bronson 12:21 For sure.

Joe Rogan 12:21 ... in a street fight with Mark Hunt? No, man.

Action Bronson 12:23 Are you fucking kidding me?

Joe Rogan 12:24 Definitely not. That... You just... Uh, my bad, guy.

Action Bronson 12:27 Bro, he ate a Mirko Cro Cop head kick.

Joe Rogan 12:30 It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

Action Bronson 12:32 Was it left or right?

Joe Rogan 12:33 Left.

Action Bronson 12:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 12:34 Left high kick.

Action Bronson 12:35 Fuck, bro.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Nobody eats a Mirko Cro Cop head kick. It was back when Mirko was allowed to wear shoes. So this is the prime days.

Action Bronson 12:41 He kicked him in the face with shoes?

Joe Rogan 12:42 Kicked him in the face with wrestling shoes on, son. No, he didn't have the wrestling shoes on, I lied.

Action Bronson 12:49 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 12:49 Didn't he have one fight with ... No, I made that up. I don't think he had one fight with ... I think he always went barefoot. But, like, you gotta see when he eats one of these high kicks, and Mirko has the best left high kick other than Leon Edwards, like, of all time.

Action Bronson 13:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 And maybe better than Leon Edwards because he's so big.

Action Bronson 13:05 Yeah, he's massive. Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 13:06 Look at that fucking high kick. He eats it. He ate a couple of them, too. He ate one square on the noggin. How?

Action Bronson 13:12 Mark Hunt looks fast too. The transitions to the knee are nice.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah. You know-

Action Bronson 13:18 Fast.

Joe Rogan 13:18 ... Mark Hunt always carried around a lot of body fat, but he moved very well. And he has, like, l- lethal combinations. Like, his combinations are very complex. He goes under your ribs, over the top.

Action Bronson 13:28 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 13:28 Yeah.

Action Bronson 13:28 Like David Tua.

Joe Rogan 13:29 And his legs are massive, bro.

Action Bronson 13:31 Oh my God, look at that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 His legs were massive. And he just had a, a, not just an iron chin, but like a warrior's mentality. Oh, he got dropped here.

Action Bronson 13:40 Oh, ho, ho, ho.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Oh, he ate that one. Bro, on the chin.

Action Bronson 13:43 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 13:43 Gets up though.

Action Bronson 13:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 13:46 This is what's crazy. This is ... That's the difference between K-1 and MMA, right?

Action Bronson 13:49 Laughing, look at that. He's like, "Fuck it."

Joe Rogan 13:52 Bro, he got clean caught, clean caught by one of the ... And he got hit again by one of the most dangerous strikers of all time. But you know who put him out, which is even crazy? Melvin Manhoef.

Action Bronson 14:02 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Melvin Manhoef, who weighed like 190 pounds, put him out with one punch. Melvin was ... You wanna talk about, like, the scariest striker ever in MMA? I think it's Melvin.

Action Bronson 14:15 Ever?

Joe Rogan 14:15 He, he might not have been the best. He might not be, like, the best technical, like, Paredes, probably the most technical, but Melvin was so terrifying, 'cause he would come at you guns blazing with them gladiator shorts on. Look at this. Boom.

Action Bronson 14:29 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 14:30 I mean-

Action Bronson 14:30 A step.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Dropped Mark Hunt and put him out. Like, who the fuck does that?

Action Bronson 14:34 He has kryptonite in that fucking hand. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Bro, he's so fast.

Action Bronson 14:37 Going backwards, boom, boom, ugh.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Go ... See if you can find a Melvin Manhoef highlight reel.

Action Bronson 14:43 Oh my Lord.

Joe Rogan 14:43 This dude ... Man, this dude was like a demon. He would come at ... And first of all, super skillful. He's from Mike's Gym in Amsterdam, legendary kickboxing gym. Badr Hari-

Action Bronson 14:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:55 ... came from that gym. So just super skillful, but f- so fucking ferocious, man. I mean, just such an awesome kickboxer. And just do or die. He either got knocked out or he knocked you out.

Action Bronson 15:10 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 15:11 And the ... That style-

Action Bronson 15:12 Look at him.

Joe Rogan 15:12 ... is just so fan-friendly.

Action Bronson 15:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:14 Bro's chasing people down.

Action Bronson 15:16 That's incredible.

Joe Rogan 15:16 He was so dangerous. So dangerous. But, you know, got KO'd too, because l- his fights were so reckless.

Action Bronson 15:22 Yeah, look at him.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Not reckless. Skillful, skillful, but like-

Action Bronson 15:25 But he lives within.

Joe Rogan 15:26 ... super aggressive. Right.

Action Bronson 15:27 He lives within the zone.

Joe Rogan 15:28 Yeah. He's in the ... He's in that danger zone, and he drags everybody into that. And you might get them. Joe Schilling got him. Robbie Lawler got him. Robbie Lawler got him in a crazy fight, where Robbie Lawler was getting the shit kicked out of his legs, and he just uncorked a hammer, just one punch, just one wild right hand just clipped Melvin and the lights go out.

Action Bronson 15:48 Robbie Lawler's the next level, man.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Woo. Robbie Lawler.

Action Bronson 15:50 He's such a gentle d- like when you meet him also, he's very sweet. He's just like, "Yo, how are you, man? How's everything?"

Joe Rogan 15:55 Did you, did you hear what happened during the, uh, Free Palestine, um, marches in New York City? Did you hear what happened? So there was a bus and, uh, the bus was filled with UFC fighters. And there was the Free Palestine thing that was going on.

Action Bronson 16:10 What, they stopped the street?

Joe Rogan 16:11 And apparently the bus was trying to make it through before they closed everything off, and the bus didn't.

Action Bronson 16:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:16 So then they got in front of the bus and then they started slashing the tires and-

Action Bronson 16:20 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 16:20 ... the bus was filled with Robbie Lawler-

Action Bronson 16:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:23 ... and a bunch of other killers.

Action Bronson 16:24 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 16:25 And everybody's like, "Should we go out with the bus?" And Rob- Robbie goes, "Everybody conserve your energy because we're probably gonna need it."

Action Bronson 16:32 Just calm ...

Joe Rogan 16:34 (laughs)

Action Bronson 16:34 ... mit- ... Just like a seal.

Joe Rogan 16:34 It's like, "If we have to fight these people, you're gonna need your energy." So Robbie Lawler is like, just sitting there like he's ready to go to a championship fight.

Action Bronson 16:41 He's sitting there like-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Conser- ... Like Tom Berenger just fucking-

Action Bronson 16:44 ... Tom Daly is just fucking-

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yeah.

Action Bronson 16:45 ... getting an arrow ready.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Oh, he was just telling everybody, "Just conserve your energy." Like if you imagine if those fucking knuckleheads opened up that door. So this is the Melvin Manhoef-Robbie Lawler fight. So Melvin is just chopping at Robbie's ... I mean, look at that. Look at that. One right hand, boom.

Action Bronson 17:00 God damn.

Joe Rogan 17:00 And then a left behind it. Just w- look it. Eyes-

Action Bronson 17:02 That's what I was throwing at the bag today.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Look at it, bro.

Action Bronson 17:04 Those big over right r- those big overhand rights.

Joe Rogan 17:07 I mean-

Action Bronson 17:07 Man.

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... eyes wide open, out cold. But they ... It was that style.

Action Bronson 17:11 Why do you breathe like that when you're knocked out?

Joe Rogan 17:14 When you're almost dead.

Action Bronson 17:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 17:16 You know, you're almost dead.

Action Bronson 17:16 Makes sense. (laughs) Makes sense.

Joe Rogan 17:18 Yeah, you, you're getting knocked unconscious, like, someone can then kill you. Like y- y- you know, it's like they've already put you away, now you're at their mercy. And if someone's just at your mercy.

Action Bronson 17:29 But you've seen them doing this before-

Joe Rogan 17:30 Yeah.

Action Bronson 17:30 ... and twitching, but ...

Joe Rogan 17:31 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 17:32 Like those deep crazy breaths with the eyes open-

Joe Rogan 17:35 It's f-

Action Bronson 17:35 ... is fucking scary.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Scary. Those-

Action Bronson 17:37 That shit's scary.

Joe Rogan 17:37 ... those kind of knockouts are fucking terrifying. And how many of them can your body endure, and at what age? Th- these are the real questions. Like, maybe you can bounce back from one when you're 18, but when you're 35, you can't, you know? It's, it's ... There's just scary.

Action Bronson 17:53 Dudes who take beatings for five rounds, they must get micro, whatever that, this means. Micro concussions.

Joe Rogan 18:00 There's no micro about it, man.

Action Bronson 18:01 That's what I'm saying. They're getting concussed-

Joe Rogan 18:02 Yeah.

Action Bronson 18:02 ... every fucking time.

Joe Rogan 18:04 (smacks lips) Most likely if they get rocked-

Action Bronson 18:06 But how do you recover like that?

Joe Rogan 18:06 ... if they get dropped ... Well, they're, first of all, they're, they're in an insane shape. Like, every guy who gets to a five-round championship level. Like, did you watch that, um, Sean Strickland-Paolo Costa fight?

Action Bronson 18:18 I sure did.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Bro, you gotta be in bonkers shape to put that pace on a person for three rounds.

Action Bronson 18:23 It's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 18:24 Just s- ... Strickland just stays on you, just stays on you, and Paulo-

Action Bronson 18:27 He stays in the gym, that's why.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Yeah.

Action Bronson 18:29 He doesn't fight. He ... All he does is fight.

Joe Rogan 18:31 All he does is spar. He's just constantly sparring. Constantly sparring.

Action Bronson 18:33 And that's the only way you get that cardio, correct?

Joe Rogan 18:36 I don't know, man, but he has it different than-

Action Bronson 18:37 He just has another level.

Joe Rogan 18:38 ... anybody else. He has it different than anybody, other than Dricus, man. 'Cause Dricus, as big as that, as swole as that motherfucker is-

Action Bronson 18:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 ... that guy's got cardio.

Action Bronson 18:46 He does, but his-

Joe Rogan 18:47 Especially now that he got his nose fixed.

Action Bronson 18:48 Yeah, that ... The first couple of fights, he looked like he was-... gassing, but then he had that nose situation and he looks like a brand new man.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Brand new man. Dude, the nose thing, ladies and gentlemen-

Action Bronson 18:57 Did you have him beating Sean?

Joe Rogan 18:59 (sighs) No.

Action Bronson 19:00 He was fucking very ... It was ... I thought-

Joe Rogan 19:01 No.

Action Bronson 19:01 ... I had Sean-

Joe Rogan 19:01 I thought Sean won.

Action Bronson 19:02 He was very close.

Joe Rogan 19:03 I thought Sean won by, like, a round. But I didn't, I didn't hate it. It wasn't, like, the worst decision I've ever seen. But it wasn't ... Like, if you're gonna beat the champion, you know, that's always a thing. Like, if you're gonna beat the champion, it should, like, be a clear, decisive win. And I think I woulda edged it to Sean. But it was a great fucking fight.

Action Bronson 19:20 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 19:21 It was a great ... And Dricus is tough as shit, man. That guy is so big. He ... It ba- it barely makes sense that he's 185 pounds. I'm like, "How the fuck do you get down to 185, dude? You're huge."

Action Bronson 19:33 232. 225, he probably walks.

Joe Rogan 19:35 Big, thick fucker. But he does it, just like Alex Pereira did it. Like, these, there's guys that are willing to, like, really, really torture themselves.

Action Bronson 19:44 Recently, I was in the airport. I was leaving Chito's fight in Miami, when he fought Sean O'Malley. And, fucking, I seen Alex Pereira and Paulinho Cruz there. Paulinho is fucking massive, first off. He's as, uh, he's as big as Alex. But man, I've never seen a man that looks like fucking Sagat from Street Fighter before-

Joe Rogan 20:03 (laughs)

Action Bronson 20:03 ... exactly. He's a scary individual, bro.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Alex is built different.

Action Bronson 20:08 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 20:09 He's built different. And his mind's different too. It's like-

Action Bronson 20:12 But when you see him out-

Joe Rogan 20:13 Yeah.

Action Bronson 20:13 ... and he's dressed.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 20:14 He's wearing the tight-ass pants. It's like some Jean-Claude Van Damme shit.

Joe Rogan 20:18 Yeah. He's looking good. He's the champ.

Action Bronson 20:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:20 He's the champ.

Action Bronson 20:20 He's the champ. You gotta look like that.

Joe Rogan 20:21 Two-division champ. Bro, two-division champ in just a handful of fights in the UFC.

Action Bronson 20:24 Instant Hall of Famer in my mind.

Joe Rogan 20:26 Instant Hall of Famer.

Action Bronson 20:27 Instant.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yeah.

Action Bronson 20:27 It's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 20:28 And, you know, um, he's just different than everybody else in that he's such a specialist. He's such a spec- ... He's not taking nobody down. Like, you never have to worry about him trying to take you down. He's not even interested. He's such a specialist. But that specialist is one of the best specialists ever at that game. Like, you watch him at his peak, in glory.

Action Bronson 20:48 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 20:48 Dude, Alex Pereira in glory was-

Action Bronson 20:50 Was he at, was he at his peak, or is he peaking now?

Joe Rogan 20:52 Oh, I think he's peaking now as a fighter.

Action Bronson 20:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:55 But when he was his peak as a kickboxer, he was putting people into orbit. Pull up, pull up, uh-

Action Bronson 21:01 That-

Joe Rogan 21:01 ... Alex Pereira versus Jason Wilnis.

Action Bronson 21:03 That left hook is outta control.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Bro, everything's outta control. It's scary.

Action Bronson 21:07 S- the for-

Joe Rogan 21:07 The power is just so extraordinary.

Action Bronson 21:09 It's the torque, man. It's that, that, that body style.

Joe Rogan 21:12 Yeah.

Action Bronson 21:13 He's just thick and fucking huge. Bastard.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Yeah, so Jason Wilnis, who's also a legit world champion, one of the best kickboxers in the world. And Pereira and him-

Action Bronson 21:23 Look at him.

Joe Rogan 21:23 ... have fought early ... (laughs) I know, dude. Look at him.

Action Bronson 21:25 Man, he literally looks like fucking Sagat.

Joe Rogan 21:27 He looks like just, like he's born to do this.

Action Bronson 21:29 He's Street Fighter 2.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Like he's born to do this.

Action Bronson 21:32 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:33 But he's, he's such a menace because his style is different than anybody gonna get to imitate in the gym. It's very awkward. You, like, you wouldn't teach that style. But the way he's able to-

Action Bronson 21:43 The way he's holding his hands, like out like this.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Everything's strange. But it's so effective.

Action Bronson 21:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:48 And the ... It's just, the power is just extraordinary. Even when you block things. Like Jason Wilnis, he's gonna block a high kick.

Action Bronson 21:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:55 And even though he blocks the high kick, he still gets dropped on his ass. But you gotta see the KO after he blocks a high kick. I think it's coming right here.

Action Bronson 22:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yeah. So he's setting it up. Boom.

Action Bronson 22:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:06 So-

Action Bronson 22:06 The velocity you get on that fucking length of leg.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Yeah.

Action Bronson 22:10 (inhales) So-

Joe Rogan 22:10 And the density, dude.

Action Bronson 22:11 That's what I'm saying. Coming from playing football, my coach would always say, "Look at them legs. Look at that ass."

Joe Rogan 22:16 Yes.

Action Bronson 22:16 "You need a ... Look at how high his-"

Joe Rogan 22:18 Watch, watch this.

Action Bronson 22:18 "... fucking ass is."

Joe Rogan 22:18 Watch this.

Action Bronson 22:20 Oh my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:21 Yo, that scissor knee is fucking insanity.

Action Bronson 22:24 He has, like, a runner's body. Like, his-

Joe Rogan 22:26 Yeah.

Action Bronson 22:26 ... ass is up fucking halfway up his back.

Joe Rogan 22:28 Yeah.

Action Bronson 22:28 That's why he got his leg like that. It's like a deer.

Joe Rogan 22:30 Well, he's a legit Amazon tribesman.

Action Bronson 22:34 Nice.

Joe Rogan 22:34 You know? Like, his people are, like, legit Amazon warriors. Like, that's ... That guy-

Action Bronson 22:40 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 22:40 That's probably how the great warriors of 500 years ago all looked, you know? They're probably all looking like that guy. Look at that scissor knee. That guy is insane. He's just so clever too. And, you know, he beats Sean Strickland. He knocks him out in one round and then tr-

Action Bronson 22:56 Trains with him.

Joe Rogan 22:56 ... goes and trains with him.

Action Bronson 22:57 Gent- he's a gentleman.

Joe Rogan 22:58 He's a really fucking nice guy.

Action Bronson 23:00 He seemed like a really nice guy.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Like, a really nice guy.

Action Bronson 23:02 He was sweet.

Joe Rogan 23:03 But that's why he gets mad when, like, uh, you know, when Jamahal Hill brought out the Stonehenge statue.

Action Bronson 23:08 I mean, he knocked sh- a- after fucking Jamahal-

Joe Rogan 23:11 Yeah.

Action Bronson 23:11 ... who I like a lot, fucking checked his nuts.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 23:14 He's like, "Herb, chill for one second."

Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah.

Action Bronson 23:16 And then he threw that left hook at him. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 23:18 There's a little bit of a complication with that, 'cause Jamahal stops and pauses. And when he stops and pauses, Alex hops in twice and he closes the distance. And so when they restart-

Action Bronson 23:29 How do you realize they start?

Joe Rogan 23:30 It was a little, it was a little complicated, because what happened was-

Action Bronson 23:33 Should Herb back off then? Or he should, he should stop it.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Look, I'm not a referee, and I think Herb's the best in the business, so I'm not gonna, like, correct h- him in any way, ever. But what I think was going on in Jamahal's mind is Jamahal kicks him in the nuts accidentally. Herb says, "Stop." Herb says, "Stop," and then Alex puts his hand on Herb-

Action Bronson 23:54 And moves in as he does that.

Joe Rogan 23:55 ... and hops in.

Action Bronson 23:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:57 And then they restart. Herb is out of the view and restarts it. And when he restarts it, Alex catches him with a left hook.

Action Bronson 24:04 Jamahal's outta position.

Joe Rogan 24:06 From Jamahal's perspective, Jamahal stiffened his legs up, he relaxed, he said, "Sorry," and then he goes like this, "You good?" And then-

Action Bronson 24:15 And then that happened.

Joe Rogan 24:15 ... Alex has his hand on the guy's forearm, moves in and, and they reengage. But he's closed the distance now, like significantly. And there's a danger zone with Pereira. It's anywhere near his hands.

Action Bronson 24:26 Right there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:27 (laughs) It's fucking ... Those-

Action Bronson 24:27 He's like-

Joe Rogan 24:28 You can't take but one.

Action Bronson 24:29 Within seven feet.

Joe Rogan 24:29 You can't take but one. They're just two pow- there's just crazy power. And, you know, there's guys that have been gone ... Like, Bruno, uh, Bruno Silva went three rounds with him.

Action Bronson 24:38 Three or five.

Joe Rogan 24:38 He survived. He's, he got a beating.

Action Bronson 24:40 Yeah, he truly got a beating.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Yeah, but he's a good striker. It was an ... But it was a good fight. So here's what happens. The n- there's the nut shot and it's, you know-

Action Bronson 24:49 I think it was so shockingly spectacular-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Which one is pro ... Right there, right there.

Action Bronson 24:51 Right there. Oh yeah, his legs ... Relax. Picktime League.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Look, his legs stiffen up, but watch-

Action Bronson 24:54 And he closes the distance.

Joe Rogan 24:55 But he's already closed the distance.

Action Bronson 24:56 Yeah, already stepping into-

Joe Rogan 24:58 'Cause Herb had said, "Stop."So, let's watch it again.

Action Bronson 25:02 That first initial bunny hop within.

Joe Rogan 25:05 So watch this. There's the nut shot, and he's, uh, he's, he- and so he goes-

Action Bronson 25:10 Uh...

Joe Rogan 25:10 ... "Sorry." He completely stiffens up-

Action Bronson 25:12 How...

Joe Rogan 25:12 ... stands up straight, lets him close the distance.

Action Bronson 25:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 25:14 See? The distance is much different now. When he puts his hand on Herb, now he's right in front of him. So, Jamal was not letting him stand that close to him before, and then he clips him. Boom.

Action Bronson 25:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:23 And drops him. Jamal was fighting him on the outside.

Action Bronson 25:26 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 25:26 And in Jamal's, uh...

Action Bronson 25:27 And that one little step in changed the whole game.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Exactly. And in Jamal's eyes, he had gotten a, a feeling of the dude's rhythm and where the danger was.

Action Bronson 25:36 Right here. Boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Right there.

Action Bronson 25:36 Yep.

Joe Rogan 25:37 But see how he's already closed the distance?

Action Bronson 25:38 Oh, yeah. He's already in.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Right.

Action Bronson 25:40 He's already there.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Yeah. It's, it's just...

Action Bronson 25:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:42 It's a thing.

Action Bronson 25:43 I didn't actually-

Joe Rogan 25:44 It doesn't-

Action Bronson 25:44 ... realize that until just now.

Joe Rogan 25:45 It doesn't mean Perreira couldn't have caught him like that at any moment in the fight, 'cause he 100% can catch anybody alive at any moment in the fight with that guy. Bang.

Action Bronson 25:54 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:54 And then you're in deep shit. But in that instance, Jamal Hill actually has a point. And it's just, re- referee in fights is chaos. Like, they're trying to make a decision in the moment. He says, "I'm fine." Okay, restart it. But y- do you recognize that you said, "Stop"? And when you say stop, are you supposed to separate them, and then are you supposed to bring them back together to fight again? Or are you gonna let them close the distance? 'Cause if you let them close the-

Action Bronson 26:17 Separate them and then bring them, right?

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah, I think, but it's one of those things where it's like, "Okay, you guys are okay? You both okay? All right, go ahead, fight." Which makes sense too. But I think-

Action Bronson 26:25 It was a tough spot.

Joe Rogan 26:27 ... J- with Jamal's mind, all of a sudden the focus is gone. There's a confusion. Are we fighting? We're not fight... We're going back? All right, we're back. You know? Like-

Action Bronson 26:34 For sure. You can, uh, you can see that.

Joe Rogan 26:36 He says, "I'm sorry. I kicked you in the nuts. You good?" Gives you the thumbs up. Gentleman. Stands straight up. Relaxed posture. Not looking like he's fighting at all. (laughs) And Alex is like, "Fuck you."

Action Bronson 26:46 And he sneaks in.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Sneaks in. Boom. Alex is like, "Fuck you."

Action Bronson 26:49 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:49 So, it's like, it's Alex's job to say, "Fuck you," and close the... If he can get away with doing that, it's, that's... His job is to get a hold of you, right? And you're trying to not... Allow him to come at you and take angles and kick his legs and pick him apart on the outside, and never let him get that close to you where he can clip you with one of them left hooks. And the... So, that's how it happened.

Action Bronson 27:06 That shit's dangerous right there.

Joe Rogan 27:08 (sighs)

Action Bronson 27:08 That's a dangerous profession. Let me ask you this.

Joe Rogan 27:10 Who...

Action Bronson 27:10 Do these refs make any money? Is Herb Dean, is Herb Dean rich?

Joe Rogan 27:14 I do not know. I have never asked.

Action Bronson 27:15 Are these dudes making any type of money? 'Cause they got a lot of fucking pressure on them.

Joe Rogan 27:18 They have a lot of pressure on them.

Action Bronson 27:19 They have a lot of pressure on them. They also don't have to really like, answer for themselves, also. But-

Joe Rogan 27:25 Sometimes they do answer for themselves, like if there's a question or like a questionable call.

Action Bronson 27:29 If something really like, egregious.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Yeah, there was one this weekend. Uh, Jarod Cannanore and, uh, Nassourdine Imomov.

Action Bronson 27:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Yeah. And the fight was stopped. And J- and Jason Herzog, who's the referee, he's a really good, really, really good referee.

Action Bronson 27:44 Really good referee.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Like fucking excellent referee.

Action Bronson 27:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:46 I just think he made a mistake. And I think sometimes guys make some mistakes. And maybe he thought Jarod was out, and maybe he thought he was out on his feet and he was seeing that he's gonna get hit again. And then, when he makes the call, all of a sudden, Jarod recovers.

Action Bronson 28:02 It happens, don't it?

Joe Rogan 28:03 It happens.

Action Bronson 28:03 You get flash knocked out-

Joe Rogan 28:04 Yeah.

Action Bronson 28:04 ... and then you recover as you're, as he's breaking it up. You understand what's happening, and you're like, "No, no, no"?

Joe Rogan 28:09 And in his mind, he might have thought that Jarod had gotten to the point of helplessness, and he was gonna separate and Jarod was gonna crumble, which could happen. He coulda just crumbled, coulda just fell apart, but he definitely didn't. So, when he stopped it, Jarod was like, "What the fuck are you doing?" Like, "I'm okay. I can still move. I can get this guy back. He's gonna run out of gas." Like, this is part of fighting. Like-

Action Bronson 28:30 There's some tough ones out there.

Joe Rogan 28:31 It's part of fighting because guys have moments in a fight where they turn on the gas and then sometimes the guys come back from that.

Action Bronson 28:39 For sure.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Like, do you ever see... I'm sure you've seen Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti, right?

Action Bronson 28:44 Many, many times.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Perfect example.

Action Bronson 28:46 Those fights are crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Micky Ward is putting it on Arturo Gatti, just putting it on him. Drops him with a liver shot and-

Action Bronson 28:53 Who always took fucking damage.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yes.

Action Bronson 28:55 He got battered a lot.

Joe Rogan 28:56 They both did.

Action Bronson 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 And then those fights, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Action Bronson 29:01 Legendary fights.

Joe Rogan 29:02 But, but those fights, like you could've come close to stopping that a couple of times if you were like, an overzealous referee.

Action Bronson 29:09 But then there wouldn't be-

Joe Rogan 29:10 ... or a referee that's... Right.

Action Bronson 29:10 ... these legendary fucking fights.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Right. But then there's the other... Well, in that case-

Action Bronson 29:15 Yeah, obviously now, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Action Bronson 29:16 ... I'm sure Micky doesn't speak well.

Joe Rogan 29:19 I don't know. I talked to him once, said hi to him once.

Action Bronson 29:21 But does he, like-

Joe Rogan 29:22 He's a legend though.

Action Bronson 29:23 ... drool, like not drool, but you know, like... W-

Joe Rogan 29:24 Does he have, uh... I don't know.

Action Bronson 29:25 He has like a drawl.

Joe Rogan 29:26 But some d- some guys definitely do.

Action Bronson 29:28 Of course.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Some guys get it real b- like, uh, you know, some guys get it. Like Joe Frazier in the end had it so bad.

Action Bronson 29:33 Evander got it.

Joe Rogan 29:35 Does he have it now?

Action Bronson 29:35 He s- doesn't sound like he's all there.

Joe Rogan 29:38 How can you-

Action Bronson 29:38 You know, his body might be there, but his, doesn't seem like his speech is there.

Joe Rogan 29:42 How can you be?

Action Bronson 29:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:43 How can you keep getting repeatedly punched in the head, you know, and not have it damage your head? You know? If you drink whiskey every day, you're gonna get a fucked up liver. You know? It's just... If you're getting punched in the head all of the time, that can't be good. You know?

Action Bronson 30:03 N- For me, I, uh, I like to protect this bod of mine.

Joe Rogan 30:09 (laughs)

Action Bronson 30:09 I just wanna, you know, I wanna make it more healthy.

Joe Rogan 30:12 I have friends-

Action Bronson 30:12 That's all I really wanna do.

Joe Rogan 30:13 I have friends that spar, and they really like sparring. And I'm like, "You're, you're a professional. You have a profession."

Action Bronson 30:18 Like just regular dudes-

Joe Rogan 30:19 Yeah.

Action Bronson 30:19 ... that like some Fight Club?

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah.

Action Bronson 30:21 You just wanna get a little adrenaline?

Joe Rogan 30:23 Yeah. But they're sparring, and they're 46.

Action Bronson 30:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:26 They're getting punched in the face. (laughs) Like, what are you doing?

Action Bronson 30:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:29 Don't do that. So, you gotta forget where your keys are.

Action Bronson 30:30 Bro, sometimes it takes a while to get those chops.

Joe Rogan 30:34 It'll take a long time if you start if you're 46.

Action Bronson 30:35 I'm just saying, it takes a minute.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Y- you have to be a weird athlete to be, get, to get really good at striking at 46. If you've never done anything and then y- y- you step in and now you're, you're sparring guys and you're good at 46, you'd have to be like, a weird athlete. You'd have to be like, some dude who could do any... Gymnastics, basketball, baseball. He, he could do anything. He just knows how to move his body.

Action Bronson 30:56 I feel like that could be me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:58 (laughs)

Action Bronson 30:59 I like training, man. I enjoy... Like I said-

Joe Rogan 31:02 Oh, I know you do.

Action Bronson 31:02 ... I wanna grapple somebody.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Yeah, you were saying that.

Action Bronson 31:04 I would do a celebrity grappling, even though it's like... Celeb- fuck a celeb, just a grappling.

Joe Rogan 31:08 As long as there's no heel hooks.

Action Bronson 31:09 No heel hooks. Grappling...

Joe Rogan 31:11 (laughs)

Action Bronson 31:11 This is not jujitsu. This is grappling.

Joe Rogan 31:14 (coughs)

Action Bronson 31:14 I wanna do collegiate style and mixed with Roman-Greco.

Joe Rogan 31:18 Do you really?

Action Bronson 31:19 I don't know. Yeah, I do. I wanna fucking throw somebody around-

Joe Rogan 31:21 (laughs)

Action Bronson 31:21 ... for sure. I wanna fucking submit somebody very badly.

Joe Rogan 31:25 (coughs)

Action Bronson 31:25 Every day I practice submitting a, a fucking sandbag.

Joe Rogan 31:29 Do you?

Action Bronson 31:30 Yeah, every day.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Did you ever take jujitsu classes?

Action Bronson 31:33 I did a couple of times, but I, I've been offered to go where my son goes, but I don't know, man. It's a-

Joe Rogan 31:38 Get in there.

Action Bronson 31:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Get in there.

Action Bronson 31:41 I need, I only wanna learn top pressure.

Joe Rogan 31:44 That's it? (laughs)

Action Bronson 31:44 I'm never gonna be on the fucking bottom, dog. Fuck that. Only top.

Joe Rogan 31:50 (laughs)

Action Bronson 31:50 Aggressive top.

Joe Rogan 31:52 (laughs) But what are you gonna do to get up?

Action Bronson 31:54 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 31:54 You gotta learn how to get off the bottom at least.

Action Bronson 31:56 Th- that's the hardest thing to do.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Like, I'm not saying you don't wanna...

Action Bronson 31:58 If someone's laying on me, it fucking sucks.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Yeah, it's very difficult.

Action Bronson 32:01 It's hard. You have to pinch-

Joe Rogan 32:03 Yes, right.

Action Bronson 32:03 ... to pinch them.

Joe Rogan 32:03 But you're gonna have to learn how to get out.

Action Bronson 32:05 Are you allowed to pinch?

Joe Rogan 32:06 No. (laughs) A dude recently bit a dude in the UFC-

Action Bronson 32:10 I saw that.

Joe Rogan 32:10 ... and so the dude got a tattoo of the guy's bite on his arm, which is hilarious.

Action Bronson 32:13 Dude, that's a fucking deep bite.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Ooh, deep, yeah.

Action Bronson 32:16 That was in the w- this, this spot here?

Joe Rogan 32:18 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 32:19 That thin skin?

Joe Rogan 32:20 Yeah.

Action Bronson 32:20 He could've broke fucking skin and it could've bled bad.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Oh, it's real dangerous.

Action Bronson 32:24 That's disgusting.

Joe Rogan 32:25 Like teeth, like people's mouths are so nasty.

Action Bronson 32:28 It's the worst shit in the world.

Joe Rogan 32:29 We get people awful infections. Look at this guy. (laughs)

Action Bronson 32:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:33 I got... What does it say? I got fucking bit? What is, what's the full tattoo?

Action Bronson 32:38 I got fucking bit bonus.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Bonus. Oh, I got-

Action Bronson 32:41 Oh, yeah, they gave him the bonus right from getting bit.

Joe Rogan 32:43 ... the bonus right from getting bit.

Action Bronson 32:43 Well, they disqualified the guy he was fighting and he got the win bonus. The guy-

Joe Rogan 32:47 It was a decent fight. He was definitely winning though.

Action Bronson 32:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:50 Nemo.

Action Bronson 32:50 I think, uh, the dude was trying to take him down and he couldn't take him down and he bit his arm from behind, which is-

Joe Rogan 32:56 (laughs)

Action Bronson 32:56 ... just, like, fucking some animal. That's so crazy that people get to that state where they're like, "Ah, fucking, just fucking ah."

Joe Rogan 33:03 Like Tyson and Holyfield, who just bite you.

Action Bronson 33:04 That's what I'm saying. When you're frustrated, you get put in a position you can't get out.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Damn, look at that bite too. That's a crazy bite.

Action Bronson 33:10 Was he wearing a fucking mouth guard or did he throw it out of his mouth? What the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 33:14 That looks like he-

Action Bronson 33:15 That looks like a baby piranha.

Joe Rogan 33:17 ... it didn't have a mouth. Yeah. Oh, you know what it is? It's a mouth guard probably on one side, but not on the other. You know?

Action Bronson 33:24 So wait, you just wear one piece?

Joe Rogan 33:25 A lot of guys, yeah.

Action Bronson 33:26 You don't do the double?

Joe Rogan 33:26 No, I don't think anybody uses the double.

Action Bronson 33:28 That shock guard that we used to wear in football?

Joe Rogan 33:30 Yeah. I think the problem with that is it restricts your breathing too much.

Action Bronson 33:33 Ah, yeah, true.

Joe Rogan 33:34 So most guys just wear one on the top. So there were some boxers back in the day that would wear the double. It would be crazy. They had this crazy mouth like-

Action Bronson 33:42 Yeah, like that, of course.

Joe Rogan 33:43 ... and they had holes like this and they'd be fighting with this double tu- But I think ultimately everybody kinda decided that that just takes out too much wind.

Action Bronson 33:51 You break your nose, it's over.

Joe Rogan 33:53 No, it's-

Action Bronson 33:53 How are you gonna fucking breathe if you break your nose in that big ass-

Joe Rogan 33:56 Yeah.

Action Bronson 33:57 ... football mouth guard?

Joe Rogan 33:58 Yeah, that, that mouth guard sucks. I don't think you could do that. Uh, it's like, have you ever done one of those, uh, breath trainers-

Action Bronson 34:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:04 ... where you breathe through so- (exhales)

Action Bronson 34:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 It's like the Bas Rutten one?

Action Bronson 34:07 Yep. It's pretty much what they give you after surgery, where they put the fuck in the ball, you have to keep the ball in the middle.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Right. (laughs)

Action Bronson 34:14 And he, he made a thing.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Bas Rutten did.

Action Bronson 34:16 He made a waist trainer. Not a waist trainer, a fucking breath trainer.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Yes, Bas Rutten did. Yeah.

Action Bronson 34:22 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 34:22 It's really good. It's got a bunch of different, um, uh, filters. So you have one where it's wide open.

Action Bronson 34:27 Like lung restrictions?

Joe Rogan 34:28 Yeah.

Action Bronson 34:28 I like that.

Joe Rogan 34:28 Like there's different levels of lung restriction or, or air restriction. It's basically like you're breathing air through a smaller and smaller hole and it just, like, fits in your mouth and it's, like, con- contracting your diaphragm muscles. And it's just really, like, uh, it's like breathing exercises, but almost like with weights.

Action Bronson 34:45 I mean, the world is incredible.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yeah.

Action Bronson 34:47 Just keep, like, all these little micro workouts for fucking organs and muscles.

Joe Rogan 34:52 (laughs)

Action Bronson 34:54 I love this. I love this.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah.

Action Bronson 34:55 I love to learn about these things. I'm gonna order one. Does he have them ready?

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Action Bronson 34:59 Are they available?

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah, yeah. What is it called? What's Bas's, um, mouth guard pro?

Action Bronson 35:01 I love fucking Bas Rutten.

Joe Rogan 35:03 He's the man.

Action Bronson 35:04 Bro, those early videos of him showing you how to fucking win a bar fight.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Yeah. (laughs)

Action Bronson 35:09 Incredible. Those things are things of legend.

Joe Rogan 35:11 And he's another guy. If you met him, you would have no idea. You would think he's the nicest. What does he do? Is he a banker?

Action Bronson 35:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:18 He fucking, he just-

Action Bronson 35:19 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 35:20 There it is. The O2 Trainer. That's right. The O2 Trainer 2.0, new and improved.

Action Bronson 35:24 You wear that running?

Joe Rogan 35:26 No, no, no, no.

Action Bronson 35:26 Or just wherever?

Joe Rogan 35:27 You just do it for breathing exercises. They have, like, uh, outlines of, like, different ways to do it. Bas has videos that he's put out there and, you know, I think they probably have a frequently asked questions.

Action Bronson 35:38 You look ridiculous, but I'm sure it works.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah, you, there he is. Bas and me talking about it. It's real. I use it.

Action Bronson 35:44 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 35:44 Yeah, it's fun. He told me not to do it in the cold plunge, though. He says, "Joe, it's Bas. Listen."

Action Bronson 35:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:49 "Uh, people apparently black out, so don't do it in the cold plunge."

Action Bronson 35:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 Like, I would imagine, like, if you were in the cold plunge, you're freezing and then you're also restricting your breathing and you get, uh, like-

Action Bronson 36:00 I could attest-

Joe Rogan 36:01 ... things get whacky.

Action Bronson 36:01 ... you lose your breath immediately, man. I fucking could not handle that.

Joe Rogan 36:05 Yeah, if you had that thing in your mouth too, you know... (exhaling)

Action Bronson 36:10 You feel like you're getting choked.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Super ultra freak out.

Action Bronson 36:13 Nah.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Yeah.

Action Bronson 36:14 I, I mean, all... You use all these different fucking, these different things that people f- invent, I think. By the way, I feel like an asshole sometimes when I come on here. Terrence Howard.

Joe Rogan 36:26 (laughs)

Action Bronson 36:26 Yeah. No, I don't even know what to say. I was, like, Googling shit to talk about after that.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Right.

Action Bronson 36:31 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 36:33 There's-

Action Bronson 36:33 What in the actual fuck?

Joe Rogan 36:35 First of all-

Action Bronson 36:35 I, I understand it though.

Joe Rogan 36:37 I kind of understand it.

Action Bronson 36:39 I understand it. I understand.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Kind... I mean, it made sense.

Action Bronson 36:42 Tamizh may-

Joe Rogan 36:44 He's making sense.

Action Bronson 36:44 He's making me believe.

Joe Rogan 36:46 He's way too smart to just be making everything up. Like, this, there's no way he's just ma- he's a lunatic. Like, I've, I've heard people say-

Action Bronson 36:54 You can't just lie. You can't just come up on that.

Joe Rogan 36:56 ... he's a lunatic.

Action Bronson 36:56 You can't just-

Joe Rogan 36:56 He's making things... I'm like, I, I don't think that's correct. He knows too much.

Action Bronson 37:00 No.

Joe Rogan 37:00 So is he correct? I don't know. And then that's, so that's what has, what has to happen is Terrence Howard has to sit down with someone who's, uh, an academic. Someone who's got a PhD in whatever discipline they're talking about. And they can have a discussion and you can see what he really knows and just what he can say to me. Right? It, to me, it all makes sense, but I'm a moron.

Action Bronson 37:22 No, you're not, but if you're talking to a mathematician-

Joe Rogan 37:24 But now also-

Action Bronson 37:24 ... or if you're talking to a physicist, someone who actually can understand what these computations mean and what he's trying to say about one plus one or one multiplied by one can't be one. Like, no mathematics.

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yeah.

Action Bronson 37:35 Everything is bullshit. I believe that.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Hm.

Action Bronson 37:38 I wasn't (laughs) I wasn't good in algebra-... I'm be- I see, I see it more in a linear way. Not a linear way, a different way than him, like, more similarly to him.

Joe Rogan 37:49 Right. Well, I would imagine that there's probably more to all, all these things.

Action Bronson 37:56 Those fucking toys he made-

Joe Rogan 37:58 Even our mathematics.

Action Bronson 37:58 ... the figures.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Even our mathematics. Like, as brilliant as the people are who have created all the formulas that everyone's studying, I would imagine that, in the future, they're gonna have even better methods of figuring things out and that all these things are going to evolve, that they're not perfect and that they're gonna just, like, continue to evolve. And if y- if we wanna get to, like, what alien civilization looks like, when we got- wanna get to, like, super insane levels of technology where they control all of the atmosphere, they, they literally can harness the power of stars, like, there's so much work to do.

Action Bronson 38:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:40 Like, like there's so much everybody has to figure out. And if he- if Terrence Howard, somehow or another, if th- if it's the craziest story ever and Terrence Howard is, like, literally one of the smartest guys that ever lived and he's got all these genius ideas and inventions, and even though he seems cr- it seems just insane that this is coming from an actor... This is from the Hustle & Flow guy? What?

Action Bronson 39:02 Hey, listen, he was-

Joe Rogan 39:02 This is from the Iron Man guy? What?

Action Bronson 39:04 He was in Boomerang back in the day with-

Joe Rogan 39:06 What?

Action Bronson 39:06 ... Eddie Murphy, fucking Sunset Park, he was Spaceman. Like, he has range.

Joe Rogan 39:12 And then he's up here talking about-

Action Bronson 39:13 He's like a modern-day Daniel Day.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Yeah. He's, he's, he's a great, great actor, but it's just because he's so smart. And then he's talking about how the periodic table's all fucked up and this is what's so... Like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What are you doing? How can you do this?

Action Bronson 39:27 I understand about because of music, I understand the way that th- I feel what he's saying.

Joe Rogan 39:32 Yeah.

Action Bronson 39:32 Like stop trying to uncover shit just l- that all these little micro fucking bullshits.

Joe Rogan 39:38 What do you mean?

Action Bronson 39:38 I, like I said, I'm a fucking idiot.

Joe Rogan 39:40 (laughs)

Action Bronson 39:40 I'm trying to regurgitate what I heard. Like, as far as all the elements, the elements in between.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yeah.

Action Bronson 39:47 Like, why are they there? We- when they're just...

Joe Rogan 39:50 You, you, I, we wi- you and I-

Action Bronson 39:52 You know what I'm talking about?

Joe Rogan 39:53 ... would never explain this in a way that's not-

Action Bronson 39:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:55 ... hugely frustrating to anybody who really knows it.

Action Bronson 39:57 I can't even remember what I'm trying to say, but you know-

Joe Rogan 39:59 Yeah.

Action Bronson 39:59 ... the fucking-

Joe Rogan 40:00 Well, the way he was explaining how everything's connected.

Action Bronson 40:02 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Yeah, and the entire, um, the, the whole scale of it and the way he was showing it-

Action Bronson 40:07 I gotta watch it again.

Joe Rogan 40:07 ... like a geometric pattern, and when you look at it like the way he was describing it, you're like, "Oh, wow, that kinda makes more sense." It does make sense. That's it. I mean, it just looks beautiful.

Action Bronson 40:18 That's fire.

Joe Rogan 40:19 Oh, Jamie-

Action Bronson 40:19 That's dope art.

Joe Rogan 40:20 I need to know if this is true. I'm gonna send you this, but it's so cool that I, I hoped and prayed that it was true and I didn't even wanna google it, but it's that they took these photons.

Narrator 40:31 I was trying to find that. I saw you post it.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Did you see it?

Narrator 40:33 I didn't find it. I googled it and couldn't find anything.

Joe Rogan 40:36 How could this be fake?

Narrator 40:37 It seemed like it was new.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Why would they be lying to me, Jamie?

Narrator 40:39 I'll, I'll look at it specifically.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Why would they be lying to me, Jamie?

Narrator 40:42 It was like, uh, what did they do? It was photons had what?

Joe Rogan 40:45 It looked like a yin and yang. I'll tell you what it is. I'll send it to you again. I'll send you the, uh...

Narrator 40:52 It was like a very specific thing they did to them.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yeah, but-

Action Bronson 40:55 And it revealed the yin yang?

Narrator 40:56 That's what it, that's what it looked like.

Joe Rogan 40:57 It's quantum entangled photons. So this is what it looks like. That's quantum entangled photons.

Action Bronson 41:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:05 Now, again.

Action Bronson 41:06 Come on. That's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:06 For the record, I am a fucking idiot, okay? I don't even know what that means. I can say those words, quantum entangled photons.

Action Bronson 41:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:13 But you made me, like, write down and then without any-

Action Bronson 41:16 What is it?

Joe Rogan 41:17 ... googling in an essay what a quantum entangled photon exactly is. But what it looks like-

Action Bronson 41:21 Aren't photons from s- from light, from sun?

Joe Rogan 41:24 Yeah.

Action Bronson 41:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:25 But this is the thing, quantum yin yang shows two photons being entangled in real time, so it's true.

Action Bronson 41:32 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:32 The stunning experiment which reconstructs the properties of entangled protons from a 2D interface pattern could be used to design faster quantum computers, and when you, when you quantumly entangle two photons, they look like a yin and yang. Do you know how insane this is? Do you know how, like-

Action Bronson 41:50 What does quantumly entangled mean?

Joe Rogan 41:52 That's a very good question that I can say and it makes me sound smarter, quantumly entangled.

Action Bronson 41:57 (laughs) But if, I mean, what is it-

Joe Rogan 41:58 But I couldn't, I couldn't write that down without googling it, exactly.

Action Bronson 42:01 The quantum entanglement, is it a mixture of these photons together?

Joe Rogan 42:06 The, well, I think what it is, is these particles are entangled in some way where they don't have to be in the same place and time, but they react to each other. There's some method or some way of understanding how this is done. It's all squirrelly, l- l- yellow legal pad, chalkboard with a bunch of squiggles that you don't understand, bananas talk.

Action Bronson 42:32 Who the fuck are these people?

Joe Rogan 42:33 Quantum entangled photons.

Action Bronson 42:36 Yeah, this is-

Joe Rogan 42:36 I don't know exactly how they do it. It's a weird connection between two far apart particles that Albert Heinz- Albert Einstein objected to as spooky action at a distance, enables two light particles or photons to become inextricably bound to each other so that a change to one causes a change in the other no matter how far apart they are. To make accurate predictions about a quantum object, physicists need to find its wave function, a description of its state existing in a super position of all the possible physical values a photon can take. Entanglement makes finding the wave function of two connected particles a challenge, as any measurement of one also causes an instantaneous change in the other.

Action Bronson 43:21 But why are they depicted in different shades and different colors?

Joe Rogan 43:25 First of all, I don't trust these super dorks at all. Look at the photos of those people.

Action Bronson 43:29 Yeah, I don't know, man. They're pretty young.

Joe Rogan 43:33 ... yeah, they're all too smart. I don't trust them. They're, they're speaking gibberish. (laughs)

Action Bronson 43:38 I need to see some old guys-

Joe Rogan 43:39 Scientists ... Look at this, scientists have used a first of its kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin yang symbol. The new method, called biophoton digital hol- holography, uses an ultra-high-precision camera and be- can be used to massively speed up future quantum measurements.

Action Bronson 44:00 Well, then, it's all bullshit. It's not, it's not real time. It's not real.

Narrator 44:04 What do you mean? You can see by the way it is.

Action Bronson 44:05 It's a fucking ... It's like those super im- it's like the AI shit. That's not a real image. They colored it and fixed it, and put fade and brightness and fucking ... You know? Like, how does that ...

Joe Rogan 44:17 I don't know if they did.

Action Bronson 44:18 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 44:19 No. Um, I, I think whatever the light is on the right, there's like a different technique of measuring it. Like, what, what was the one on the right?

Action Bronson 44:27 Was that-

Joe Rogan 44:27 Like how did they do that?

Action Bronson 44:28 Heat?

Joe Rogan 44:30 This is a, this has a reconstruction of a holographic image.

Action Bronson 44:32 Man, I'm gonna get fucking demolished. I am a total moron.

Joe Rogan 44:36 No, I think, I think there's just two different ways of, of imaging it. So I don't think there's anything fake about it. I think it's just a bizarre shape that exists in ancient cultures, and now they're finding out is actually two enque- en- entangled photons.

Action Bronson 44:54 Yeah, but how ... Who came up with all this motherfucking shit holography?

Joe Rogan 44:59 (laughs)

Narrator 45:00 (laughs)

Action Bronson 45:00 Like, what the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 45:01 Scientist dudes.

Narrator 45:01 Where did this come from now?

Joe Rogan 45:03 Scientists dudes.

Action Bronson 45:04 Motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 45:04 And gals, and non-binary folk.

Action Bronson 45:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 Uh, what is, uh, what is the actual definition of yin yang, Jamie? Like, what does it e- exactly mean? It's ... I know it's to be balance, like in, I knew, like, back when I was in high school, all the cool kids got yin yang tattoos.

Action Bronson 45:20 (laughs)

Narrator 45:20 I want one now. Now, I want one. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:22 Now, I'm thinking about getting one.

Action Bronson 45:23 Right?

Joe Rogan 45:24 'Cause of the quantum thing, but it's so ... It's such a ... It became a corny thing. Like, a yin yang became corny.

Action Bronson 45:29 Yeah. When I was young, it was like tribal.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 45:33 Like I s- Now, I want tribal or barbwire around the bicep.

Joe Rogan 45:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 45:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:38 Like old days.

Action Bronson 45:39 Like Pam Anderson.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Like Pam Anderson.

Narrator 45:41 Pam Anderson?

Joe Rogan 45:41 A lot of wrestlers had it. Okay, so what does this mean?

Action Bronson 45:43 Buff Bagwell.

Narrator 45:44 There's no ... Uh, it's uh, meanings are popping up. There's not ... I don't know about specific definition, 'cause you gotta define the yin and yang.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Well, just Google that right there, people also ask. Go back, and then what is the meaning of yin yang? Click on that. What does that say?

Narrator 45:58 I know. It popped up a video.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Oh, it's a video.

Narrator 45:59 Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I did that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Boring.

Narrator 46:01 I sort of skipped past it.

Joe Rogan 46:01 (laughs)

Action Bronson 46:01 (laughs)

Narrator 46:02 (laughs)

Action Bronson 46:02 Like, can't it just tell you?

Joe Rogan 46:03 Can't it just tell me, bitch? Write it down. So, what does it mean?

Narrator 46:07 It's a ... I mean, it's, it's a f- You have to describe both and then you have to describe them both together.

Joe Rogan 46:14 Hmm.

Narrator 46:14 It's like describing what is light and what is dark.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Here's the thing, man.

Narrator 46:18 And what is light and dark. But this is ... But this is-

Action Bronson 46:18 It's a philosophy.

Joe Rogan 46:19 This is what-

Action Bronson 46:19 It's an open-ended philosophy.

Joe Rogan 46:21 This is one of the things that freaks me out about the current state of the world, is that we are at odds with China. And China has been-

Action Bronson 46:29 Why?

Joe Rogan 46:29 ... around forever. They are so much more established. They've been around for 4,000 years, man. They figured it out-

Action Bronson 46:37 So many dynasties and ...

Narrator 46:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:39 They've been thriving economically for 4,000 years. They invented everything. China invented paper. They invented alcohol. They invented the mechanical clock. They invented gunpowder. They invented rockets.

Action Bronson 46:55 I mean, bro, when I fucking order my clothes to sell, I get it from there. They do it much fucking better and cheaper than here.

Joe Rogan 47:05 You can buy good American stuff.

Action Bronson 47:06 No, but it's not the same.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Well, was-

Action Bronson 47:08 When you outo- All right, listen.

Joe Rogan 47:10 (laughs)

Action Bronson 47:10 I like America. But if you want to get it done right, you go to China. (laughs)

Narrator 47:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:15 That's so ridiculous.

Action Bronson 47:16 Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 47:17 That's so ridiculous.

Action Bronson 47:18 That is a crazy thing to say.

Narrator 47:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:19 But it is fucked up that somewhere, we lost our way, and we decided that it would be better for some people over here to get things paid for in a cheap manner. Get cheap labor from a country where they let people work for like almost nothing, and buy your shit from them, and then sell it over here. But it's just short math, because like everybody's like, "Hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck the trickle down of that is? How about it ... We just make less money or we don't look at it in terms of like you're never gonna end, it's never gonna stop growing?" How about we just like maintain what we've got and make high-quality stuff and keep all these jobs here? Like what, what's the economic downside of getting rid of thousands of jobs every time they close a plant? Thousands of jobs. Just to make a little bit more money? Or even if it's a lot more money. Like aren't you making money? Isn't it so successful that you can buy a new plant in Mexico? Like what the fuck are we doing?

Action Bronson 48:17 People are fucking freaking out.

Joe Rogan 48:17 It's so short-sighted.

Action Bronson 48:18 Yeah. It's all, it's all money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

Joe Rogan 48:20 You ever see Roger & Me?

Action Bronson 48:22 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 48:23 It's, uh, Michael Moore's best documentary, I think. And it's, uh, the first one too.

Action Bronson 48:28 I like Michael Moore a lot.

Joe Rogan 48:29 Uh, he was young. He's a good dude. I met him a couple times.

Action Bronson 48:32 I met him one time coming out of the fucking 23rd-

Joe Rogan 48:34 (clears throat)

Action Bronson 48:34 ... anniversary Jordan party.

Joe Rogan 48:36 (coughs)

Action Bronson 48:36 Fuck, that's delicio- Fuck, That's Delicious had just come on-

Joe Rogan 48:39 (clears throat) Mm.

Action Bronson 48:39 ... Vice.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Yeah.

Action Bronson 48:40 And he c- came o- He ... I ... Walked out and he was in his limo. He came out. He goes, "Action. What's up?"

Joe Rogan 48:46 Yeah.

Action Bronson 48:46 "I've been in the hotel room all weekend watching Fuck, That's Delicious. I love it."

Joe Rogan 48:51 (laughs)

Action Bronson 48:51 And this is outside the Jordan party.

Joe Rogan 48:53 (laughs)

Action Bronson 48:53 I just met Moses Malone and shit like ... It was fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Yeah, that's cool.

Action Bronson 48:57 And this was early on, and he gave me that props. It was ...

Joe Rogan 49:00 That's nice.

Action Bronson 49:00 It meant a lot to me.

Joe Rogan 49:02 The documentary's really good. It's really good, and it's really heartbreaking. It's about Flint, Michigan, when the auto factories pull out.

Action Bronson 49:09 Bro, why do you ... H- h- he does these tear-jerkers, man. But he's-

Joe Rogan 49:12 He's ... This one's a really good one.

Action Bronson 49:13 He's showing you the real.

Joe Rogan 49:14 But ... This is the realest of the real, 'cause this is where he's from. And he got to see all these people, just thousands of people, man, that were employed by the auto industry just get those jobs removed and sent to Mexico. And they're fucked, man. No one has anything.

Action Bronson 49:28 Nah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 No one has anything. There's just like nothing to do. There's no h- It's not like you need to work harder. It's like, no, the industry's gone.

Action Bronson 49:36 There's no jobs.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Th- th- there's not just-

Action Bronson 49:37 There's nothing to do there.

Joe Rogan 49:38 The main thing in the town is now gone. The town just died. It's a ghost town now. Now, w- everyone's fucked. And it happened like that. (snaps fingers) And it happened because people wanted to make more money.... that's what's crazy.

Action Bronson 49:52 So, they don't make Cadillac over there anymore?

Joe Rogan 49:54 (smacks lips) I don't know what they're doing now, 'cause I know a lot of things have come back to Detroit. Like, Detroit's kinda making a bit of a boom. Sam Town just moved to Detroit. Shout-out to Sam Town.

Action Bronson 50:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:03 Um, hilarious comedian, if you don't know who he is. But they're, um, they've got, you know, there's a lot of, like, businesses are coming out of Detroit that are, like, proud about it. Like Shinola, made in Detroit, American-made watches-

Action Bronson 50:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 ... and leather bags, and shit, but-

Action Bronson 50:18 I stay in that hotel a lot.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Oh, it's a good hotel, man.

Action Bronson 50:20 Yeah. Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 50:20 They're legit. Shinola's legit. So, like, there's a bunch of stuff happening there. But it used to be one of the richest cities in the world. Detroit in the 19... Have you ever seen, like, videos of Detroit?

Action Bronson 50:31 It was fucking-

Joe Rogan 50:31 In the 1960s.

Action Bronson 50:31 That's where the players came from-

Joe Rogan 50:33 Yes.

Action Bronson 50:33 ... was the Detroit players.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Bro.

Action Bronson 50:35 That's where dressing like a player came from.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Bro.

Action Bronson 50:38 Gators, all kinds of fucking outfits in Gators. That's, that's where it came from.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Booming economy.

Action Bronson 50:44 Buffs, the fucking, the Cartier lenses.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 50:47 It's, like, a whole thing.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Motor City Hitman, Thomas Hearns.

Action Bronson 50:50 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Come on, man.

Action Bronson 50:50 You don't think he wore Cartier lenses?

Joe Rogan 50:53 Come on, man.

Action Bronson 50:53 100%.

Joe Rogan 50:54 100%.

Action Bronson 50:54 And he wore Gators.

Joe Rogan 50:55 100%. So, that place was this thriving city. And then, all of a sudden, the auto manufacturers pulled out. It just was... You just watched one of the great cities melt. Why? Because someone wanted to make more money. That is so crazy that people were willing to do that.

Action Bronson 51:16 You're right.

Joe Rogan 51:16 It's so fucking crazy.

Action Bronson 51:18 Well, now I have to fucking rethink all my business models.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Yeah. (sniffs) I work with Origin. Origin is a company in Maine. It's all American-made, everything, threads, everything, cloth, everything. All our hunting gear is made by Origin. All of it's made. They, they, they develop the pattern. They make it all. It's all, everybody gets paid well. Great jobs. It's just like, it just feels better. I always said that about, like, iPhones. Like, make me an iPhone that you make in America. Just charge me more money. Can you do, just put a little US flag in the corner, so I know-

Action Bronson 51:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:52 ... I'm getting that one? And just charge me more money. Just charge me more money.

Action Bronson 51:56 It's like when, when you buy a pair of New Balance sneakers, the made-in-America ones are always-

Joe Rogan 52:00 Yes.

Action Bronson 52:01 ... the better-quality stuff, you know? You know you're getting quality when it says, "Made in the U.S. of A."

Joe Rogan 52:06 Oh, but also, you know you're getting it from people that you have to adhere to laws, like labor laws. You, you don't have to adhere to those if you're buying them from third-world countries.

Action Bronson 52:17 Of course.

Joe Rogan 52:18 So, you're, that's, it's kinda weird that that's okay. And I know, I, I understand the economics of it. I don't really, but I understand that I don't understand it. I understand I'm not, it's not my place. But I get why everybody did it, but you gotta look at what's, what that, what the cost of that is. It's so insane. You know, someone was explaining to me that there's some African countries that get free clothes from the United States. So, like, they'll donate, like, free clothes. Like, a bunch of companies, and they get together, and they're donating free clothes. Which seems great, right? But a lot of these developing countries have people making clothes. And then all of a sudden, a bunch of free clothes get dropped off, and they're like, "Hey, what the fuck?" Like, "We're, we're, now, I'm not gonna sell any fucking clothes." Now you literally can't get by making clothes because they're giving away free clothes. And giving away free ch- free, free clothes is, like, a part of their whole charitable organization. Like, to make everybody feel great.

Action Bronson 53:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:20 But-

Action Bronson 53:20 They don't need to be doing that.

Joe Rogan 53:21 But you could, in fact, create a-

Action Bronson 53:23 Give them money.

Joe Rogan 53:24 ... growing economy by giving people free clothes. I was like-

Action Bronson 53:26 Give them food.

Joe Rogan 53:27 I would've never thought that. I would've never thought that giving someone free clothes could ever be bad. But it could be bad if they're actually starting to develop an economy, or they have a thriving economy, and somebody makes clothes there. And all of a sudden, you know, we think if we should give them free clothes, that's gonna (laughs) fix everything and make us feel better.

Action Bronson 53:45 I'll tell you this. In every fucking third-world country I've been to, they got fucking Lionel Messi jerseys. They got Vini Jr. Jerseys. They got all, they got all kinds of sports jerseys. They're not wearing any, they're wearing fucking jerseys.

Joe Rogan 53:59 And they're getting-

Action Bronson 54:00 All kinds of sports clothing, Puma.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Interesting. That's, that's the cool shit to wear?

Action Bronson 54:04 Always, always. Young kids always got the fucking soccer jerseys on, or just, like, a team shirt. I see Yankee shirts.

Joe Rogan 54:11 That's always been the case though, right?

Action Bronson 54:12 Always. Come on.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Yeah.

Action Bronson 54:14 I mean, I, to this day, my wardrobe is jerseys. That's all I like wearing.

Joe Rogan 54:19 (laughs)

Action Bronson 54:19 (laughs) That's all I like wearing. I've taken this-

Joe Rogan 54:21 Is, is that a Patrick Ewing?

Action Bronson 54:22 Yeah, Patrick Ewing. I wore this jersey-

Joe Rogan 54:24 (laughs)

Action Bronson 54:24 ... in, like, 30 countries already.

Joe Rogan 54:25 (laughs)

Action Bronson 54:26 I never take it off. It's like I'm fucking Pat.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Right.

Action Bronson 54:29 I should put the knee braces on.

Joe Rogan 54:31 It makes you feel casual.

Action Bronson 54:32 It really does.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Right?

Action Bronson 54:33 It makes me feel casual, and it also makes me feel like you know where the fuck I'm from.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Yeah. (laughs) Exactly.

Action Bronson 54:38 I'm wearing it on my chest, bro.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Exactly. Right?

Action Bronson 54:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:41 Nobody's gonna mistake you for a Georgia boy.

Action Bronson 54:44 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 54:44 "Hey, Miami."

Action Bronson 54:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:45 "Want to become an alligator?"

Action Bronson 54:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 "Homeboy, buddy."

Action Bronson 54:46 You're not gonna fucking think that.

Joe Rogan 54:48 No.

Action Bronson 54:48 That's for sure. Tss.

Joe Rogan 54:50 No, not at all.

Action Bronson 54:51 I was, I was listening to... I wanted to bring this up because I think that this is fucked up. I'm listening to WFAN Radio in New York City, and they run these weird commercials for older men, and shit like that, and stuff. There was this one-

Joe Rogan 55:09 (laughs)

Action Bronson 55:10 (laughs) Fucking Dr. Darius Paduch. Fucking, a crime against men, a urologist who fucking touched hundreds and hundreds of men, apparently. They're running this spot on the, on the radio station. Saturday morning, I'm watching Spongi- SpongeBob on Nickelodeon with my child. They run the fucking same spot, but a visual of Darius fucking Paduch. Why are they running that spot on Nickelodeon?

Joe Rogan 55:42 For parents. They're assuming the parents are watching the show with the kids.

Action Bronson 55:45 But my son's asking me, "Who the fuck is Darius Paduch?"

Joe Rogan 55:49 (laughs)

Action Bronson 55:49 (laughs) And I don't know how to explain it, that he's done urology and crime against men. I don't know how to explain that.

Joe Rogan 55:54 So what do you mean by he did crime against men?

Action Bronson 55:56 They were crimes against men. He touched-

Joe Rogan 55:58 Oh, so he got-

Action Bronson 55:58 ... he did weird things to them-

Joe Rogan 55:59 And was it-

Action Bronson 55:59 ... during urology exams.

Joe Rogan 56:01 And this, this ad that they were running?

Action Bronson 56:03 Yeah, it's odd.

Joe Rogan 56:03 Was an ad, like a news story, breaking news story?

Action Bronson 56:06 Not a breaking news, but like one of those, yeah, if you have the fucking, uh, uh, the, the, the mesh in your stomach recoil, you could get money or this.

Joe Rogan 56:14 Right.

Action Bronson 56:14 Like, they want people to come forward-

Joe Rogan 56:16 Oh.

Action Bronson 56:17 ... all the victims of Dr. Darius Paducah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 Oh, I see. So-

Action Bronson 56:21 So I just found that a little bit fucking, like-

Joe Rogan 56:24 Maybe it's for parents.

Action Bronson 56:25 Yeah, but why on s-

Joe Rogan 56:26 Yeah, ridiculous.

Action Bronson 56:27 ... Nickelodeon SpongeBob Saturday morning when they're running the same spot on WFAN for, like, 60-year-old men?

Joe Rogan 56:34 That's a good question.

Action Bronson 56:35 I just thought that was fucked.

Joe Rogan 56:38 Maybe it's just a mistake.

Action Bronson 56:39 That's my one contribution to this. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:42 (laughs)

Action Bronson 56:44 It was a good one, though.

Joe Rogan 56:46 (laughs) Yeah, imagine if commercials were illegal.

Action Bronson 56:48 Bro.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Imagine if we decided that everything has to exist on its own merit. And, you know, word of mouth is the only thing that counts. There's-

Action Bronson 56:56 That-

Joe Rogan 56:56 ... plenty of social media out. No one's allowed to advertise at all anymore ever again.

Action Bronson 57:00 I would love that.

Joe Rogan 57:00 Bye.

Action Bronson 57:00 I would love that.

Joe Rogan 57:01 (laughs)

Action Bronson 57:01 No more spots, no more this, no more fucking reads, no more that. Listen, all these reads, bro, it's a lot. It's a fucking lot. I'm not used to it.

Joe Rogan 57:11 Ugh.

Action Bronson 57:12 I'm not used to it. I don't love it.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Yeah, AI's gonna take that for you.

Action Bronson 57:17 Should I do it now? You think I could pull that one off now?

Joe Rogan 57:19 Probably pretty fucking close.

Action Bronson 57:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Pretty fucking close.

Action Bronson 57:24 What is this AI with the iPhone that I'm seeing on Instagram?

Joe Rogan 57:27 This is the newest AI that Apple-

Action Bronson 57:29 Should I throw this against the wall?

Joe Rogan 57:31 I don't know. Elon seems to-

Action Bronson 57:32 (laughs) Will it even work?

Joe Rogan 57:34 ... be, uh, very apprehensive, and he said something about that if it is in the operating system, if it's in iOS itself, he s- he doesn't think they're gonna be able to control it, and he thinks it, it represents a security risk to the extent that he's not going to allow, um, people to... If this does get implemented as a part of the operating system, he's not gonna allow people at Tesla to have them. He's not gonna allow them to come in with, like, iPads or laptops that are Apple.

Action Bronson 58:04 And they gotta go in some sort of box?

Joe Rogan 58:06 He... Listen, man, if he's getting scared, I get scared.

Action Bronson 58:08 I'm scared.

Joe Rogan 58:09 I get scared. When he's saying, "Hey, you're letting that fucking thing in everyone's phones, and you don't know how to control it," and they're like, "We, we... Ah, ah..." You know why they got AI? Do you know why they're doing that? Because of this. This is the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra.

Action Bronson 58:25 Oh, yeah. You're no fool. I'm about to get it.

Joe Rogan 58:27 This is my new phone.

Action Bronson 58:28 I'm getting it.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah, I...

Action Bronson 58:29 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 58:29 Listen, Apple's great. I love Apple. I'm not a, a hater. I'm gonna keep this phone too, but there's things that I can do with this phone that I can't do with this phone. This phone has anti-glare screen. It's way better to look at outside, way better. Instantly, I noticed that. It charges quicker. It has all kinds of crazy shit, like you can circle an object and Google just searches it for you, tells you... Like you see someone's sneakers, you're like, "Damn, those are cool." Boop, Google sends you a link-

Action Bronson 58:54 And pulls 'em right up.

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... shows where you could shop for it. It's, it does a lot of shit that you can't get on an iPhone right now. (swallowing sound) So then I respond to that-

Action Bronson 59:04 These don't even, d- d-

Joe Rogan 59:04 (clears throat)

Action Bronson 59:04 ... they don't even look that cool. They're cool, but there's, they're like, uh, th-

Joe Rogan 59:08 Bro, this-

Action Bronson 59:08 ... they're antiquated.

Joe Rogan 59:09 This thing translates in real time, so, like, you could be speaking Italian, and I could be speaking English. We could have a conversation.

Action Bronson 59:14 Oh, that's one of the best things to use. M- my wife and I, we have this masseuse. She's a Chinese woman about 70 years old.

Joe Rogan 59:22 (coughs)

Action Bronson 59:22 We're great friends with her, and we just talk with the phone, translate, translate.

Joe Rogan 59:27 Oh, yeah.

Action Bronson 59:27 It's phenomenal. She sends text messages full of Chinese characters, translate.

Joe Rogan 59:31 Wow. That's dope. Isn't that dope?

Action Bronson 59:34 I would love to just be able to, like, say something, and then in my voice, it tr- says it in Chinese to her.

Joe Rogan 59:38 I think they're doing that. I think they're doing that. I think that is 100% gonna happen.

Action Bronson 59:43 I'd learn Chinese that way also.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Yes, you really could.

Action Bronson 59:46 It's better than Rosetta Stone.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Prob-... I don't... What's the best way? There's a bunch of different, like, controversial best way to learn. "Well, you could learn Spanish in six weeks." I was like, "Six weeks?"

Action Bronson 59:57 I'll tell you how to fucking learn Spanish. Go work in the kitchen-

Joe Rogan 59:59 Right.

Action Bronson 59:59 ... with some Mexican dudes-

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Right.

Action Bronson 1:00:01 ... that will not speak English to you.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Right.

Action Bronson 1:00:02 That's how you learn.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:00:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 You gotta pick it up.

Action Bronson 1:00:04 That's how I learned.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Pick it up eventually. That is th- what they say, immersion, right? That's the best way to really learn-

Action Bronson 1:00:09 Immersion.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 ... a language.

Action Bronson 1:00:11 I mean, also, like, if you learn, like, phrases, like phrases as far as, like, I don't know. I don't even know how to... Like, j- I can't even give you an example. Like, things about the day or what you're-

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 1:00:25 ... about to do or shit like that, just f- normal phrases that you would use-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Right.

Action Bronson 1:00:28 ... in everyday life. If you just use those, more than likely they're gonna catch one way or another.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:00:34 You, you could use them in different settings. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Right.

Action Bronson 1:00:37 You just, you just gotta know a couple things, and then you build off that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Imagine if... How funny that must sound to them.

Action Bronson 1:00:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Our stupid Spanish. (laughs) You know? It's like, uh, like Borat sounds to us.

Action Bronson 1:00:49 Yeah, no, I mean, o- the one thing that I do... I, I love when immigrants come here and they try to speak English, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 Hmm.

Action Bronson 1:00:56 ... a lot of Americans, they don't fucking try and speak any other languages.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 Right.

Action Bronson 1:01:00 But everybody comes here and learns English one way or another. They're speaking broken, but you understand it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:01:05 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Yeah. Th- It's probably the most, other than Spanish, the most recognized language. Like, what is the most popular language on Earth? Is it s-... Well, m- numbers-wise, it might be Mandarin, or it might be Hindi. Like, what is the, what is the most popular language on Earth? Like, take a guess. What do you think it is?

Action Bronson 1:01:25 I think it's Spanish.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 I think it's Spanish. I think so.

Action Bronson 1:01:26 I think it's the most spoken language in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 In most countries.

Narrator 1:01:30 The most spoken one? So let me know-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Spanish is?

Narrator 1:01:32 I'm asking, like, what the correct-

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Yeah, let's see what, what are the most-

Action Bronson 1:01:35 Español.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 ... spoken languages in the world? What are the most spoken languages in the world?

Narrator 1:01:40 I want to say it says Chinese, but...

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Chinese number one?

Narrator 1:01:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 That makes sense.

Narrator 1:01:43 I thought there was multiple dialects.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Right, but, like, maybe it's just-

Narrator 1:01:47 But it does say Mandarin. It says Chinese/Mandarin.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Okay.

Narrator 1:01:49 Uh, 900 million.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 But mult- 900 million, bro.

Action Bronson 1:01:52 Yeah, but there's a lot of fucking guys over there speaking that language natively. I don't know if it... You know, I, I never met a white guy that could speak it perfectly or a Black guy that could speak it perfectly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 I've met a few people that know Mandarin.

Action Bronson 1:02:04 A couple.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:02:05 A couple.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Very strange.

Action Bronson 1:02:06 But who knows Cantonese?

Narrator 1:02:08 This thing I'm looking at too.

Action Bronson 1:02:08 John Cena.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Fuck outta here. (slapping table) Fucking John Cena doesn't know Cantonese.

Narrator 1:02:13 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:02:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Are you kidding me?

Narrator 1:02:15 (laughs) It says English is number one.

Action Bronson 1:02:16 He knows Mandarin. What?

Narrator 1:02:17 It says English is number one.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Well, if one of them it says English is number one?

Action Bronson 1:02:21 So, John Cena- (laughs)

Narrator 1:02:21 Yeah. It depends on what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 But that only says 1.552 million speakers of the language.

Action Bronson 1:02:26 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Oh, wow. Oh, 1,452,000,000.

Narrator 1:02:29 Yeah, yeah. So, it's like-

Action Bronson 1:02:29 That was the best answer I've ever heard in my life. (laughs)

Narrator 1:02:31 (laughs) A lot of Chinese people might know English because of the internet.

Action Bronson 1:02:36 Oh.

Narrator 1:02:36 It's just like, you know, we du-... we don't... I don't know. I... You know, main language versus do you know a couple words? Can you hold a conversation?

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Interesting.

Narrator 1:02:47 English has become the world's most common language, default for international business, tourism, tech, and much more. I mean, not... Yeah, programming things is a big thing. So if you... 'cause you can't program in multiple languages.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Isn't there some shit going down right now with Saudi Arabias getting off the US dollar, the petrodollar?

Narrator 1:03:04 That's different. A little.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 I know it's a little different, but I was just thinking about, like, things I'm scared of. More things I'm scared of.

Action Bronson 1:03:12 Yeah, I mean, listen, there's so many things out there that we have no clue that we should be scared of. As long as I don't know, I'm all right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 That's a way to live.

Action Bronson 1:03:22 Right... For right now.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 It's not-

Action Bronson 1:03:23 But if you tell me, then I'll be like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 Right now, you know. Now you gotta operate on that.

Action Bronson 1:03:27 Yeah, now I gotta figure it out.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Know that aliens are real.

Action Bronson 1:03:29 There's no doubt about it. What... If you think about what this actually is, what are we fucking doing? This li-... this life experience.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:03:36 Aliens, this, that. There's all kinds of crazy shit. We can't just think that... Are we even living right now? What is happening right now? What is this?

Narrator 1:03:43 It might be simulation theory.

Action Bronson 1:03:45 Yeah.

Narrator 1:03:45 Da, da, da. What'd you get?

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Exactly. You got something, Jamie?

Narrator 1:03:48 Nothing, Robbie. It's something that says what you said, but I don't know-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 So, they d-... They ditched the US dollar today, right?

Narrator 1:03:53 There's a f-... There's a pact for 50 years. I don't know that it wasn't expected.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Hm.

Narrator 1:03:59 I don't know that they just did this all of a sudden overnight.

Action Bronson 1:04:00 The dollar is a piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Is it?

Action Bronson 1:04:02 I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 I like them. I like looking at them-

Action Bronson 1:04:04 I love them.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 ... and like holding them.

Action Bronson 1:04:04 I like the way... I like... I have a bunch of them sitting right there that I could hold, but I don't... They're almost worthless.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Craig Jones came in here-

Action Bronson 1:04:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 And he had a million dollars in cash.

Action Bronson 1:04:14 On him?

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 And I wanted to run away with it.

Narrator 1:04:16 Shh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 I wanted to grab that bag and run.

Action Bronson 1:04:18 Shh.

Narrator 1:04:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 When you see a million dollars in cash, it's just piles of hundreds, like this is crazy.

Action Bronson 1:04:23 A million dollars in cash isn't that much though.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 It's a bag.

Action Bronson 1:04:26 Yeah, it's a bag. It's just-

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 And hundreds, it's a-

Action Bronson 1:04:27 It's not that much.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 It's like a gym bag stuffed with hundreds. It was weird.

Action Bronson 1:04:32 That looks good.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 It looked good.

Action Bronson 1:04:34 That looks good to me.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Looked good.

Action Bronson 1:04:35 Looks like a drug deal gone bad.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah, or good.

Action Bronson 1:04:39 Both.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 Yeah. << Life in the fast lane. >>

Action Bronson 1:04:43 (laughs)

Narrator 1:04:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:04:43 << Show them how you please, oh my. >>

Narrator 1:04:45 He's only, like, 22 pounds of money.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Oh.

Narrator 1:04:48 Nothing big, nothing. You know the video.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 £22 of money.

Narrator 1:04:51 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:04:51 It's like the things you would do with the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:04:53 ... with the rod.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:04:54 (laughs)

Narrator 1:04:54 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:04:55 Fucking gloves.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 With the rod. Yeah, you could do that with that bag of money. Just do kettlebells with that bag of money.

Action Bronson 1:05:00 I mean, that would be fire to work.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Yeah, you could do some shield casts, that bag of money.

Action Bronson 1:05:04 Listen, all I know is that a million dollars isn't even a lot anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 It's not anymore.

Action Bronson 1:05:09 And you need to do a lot to make a million dollars.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Like-

Action Bronson 1:05:11 Especially when you make $1 million, you're not making $1 million.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Right. In California, that's, uh, about to become the average home price.

Action Bronson 1:05:22 I mean, eight years ago, I was in Vancouver and they told me that was the average price.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 A million?

Action Bronson 1:05:27 $1 million.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 And what does the average person make?

Action Bronson 1:05:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 I think they make $62,000.

Action Bronson 1:05:32 Who the fuck is living in these places?

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 It's insane. The average home being $1 million... Like, everyone's in debt. And then you've got companies that are buying up houses just so they can lease them out to people and make money leasing them. It's like-

Action Bronson 1:05:44 Bro, look at New York City. I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Phew.

Action Bronson 1:05:46 I'm over here looking for a house. I'm, I'm competing with brokers and, like, big people who wanna put buildings where these old homes used to be.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Right.

Action Bronson 1:05:54 And-

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Right.

Action Bronson 1:05:55 They're ready to just go, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 They do a lot of that stuff out here, like on 6th Street. They're, they're gonna start to do that. But on a lot of these places we see these giant ass skyscrapers, they used to be, like, a little bitch ass building. And somebody bought it up and just built straight up. And they're trying to do that a lot.

Action Bronson 1:06:12 That's what happens. That's fucking, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah, capitalism.

Action Bronson 1:06:15 Is that called industrial revolution?

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 No. It's capitalism.

Action Bronson 1:06:20 (laughs)

Narrator 1:06:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 You know, it's good if you wanna live in an apartment building, but you just gotta recognize what it is and what's going on, you know?

Action Bronson 1:06:26 Apartment buildings are good for certain things.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 It's funny.

Action Bronson 1:06:29 That's all I've known my whole life. Two bedroom.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Yeah?

Action Bronson 1:06:33 That's all I've known.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 If you live in the city, you get accustomed to that.

Action Bronson 1:06:35 I'd like to know something better. I only stay in... Like, if there's a table here in the room, I just sit in this one corner only. Now, I wouldn't even go on that side of the fucking table.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 'Cause you're used to being confined?

Action Bronson 1:06:46 I'm a creature.

Narrator 1:06:46 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:06:47 I'm a creature.

Narrator 1:06:49 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:06:49 Just leave me in the corner as a creature. That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Ah. Uh-huh.

Action Bronson 1:06:54 I don't need space. I'm like a little baby veal.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:06:59 It's true.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 You just like to huddle up in your den.

Action Bronson 1:07:01 I do, with my fucking pipe.

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:07:03 Huffing, watching MMA talk. Constant over... Like, chail son-ing, talking crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 How do you think you would live if you lived, like, in, in a place with, like, a lot of land and quiet nights? Do you think you'd be missing it?

Action Bronson 1:07:20 I would have to have some sort of live entertainment. I love live entertainment.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Something near you you could go see?

Action Bronson 1:07:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:07:25 Either that or just, like, something exciting at the house.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 Mm-hmm.

Action Bronson 1:07:29 Like a band. I would bring sick musicians to the home.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Mm.

Action Bronson 1:07:33 You know? All these different jazz and funk fusion bands, and these old school bands that I love, I would bring them all.

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 Mm.

Action Bronson 1:07:41 Have little mini concerts back there.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Yeah. That make... Well, that's kind of what Dave Chappelle does in Yellow Springs, Ohio.

Action Bronson 1:07:47 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Yeah, he's always got, like, musicians out there, comedians out there.

Action Bronson 1:07:51 He's living the way he used to live.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Yeah.

Action Bronson 1:07:53 That's what he wants.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Yeah, he started doing that during the pandemic when everybody was locked down.

Action Bronson 1:07:56 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 He was doing outside shows with masks on. Remember those days?

Action Bronson 1:08:00 Oh, yeah, he was doing fucking hooky parties.

Narrator 1:08:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:08:03 He was doing the old school hooky party. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Yeah.... isn't it? It was g- what, those were so crazy days. You couldn't go outside without a mask on.

Action Bronson 1:08:13 I was wearing a gas mask to go to the fucking supermarket.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:08:16 Can you believe that? (laughs) I had a fucking 3M gas mask with the two things here.

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 (screams)

Action Bronson 1:08:22 I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, "What am I doing?"

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:08:25 And I just took that shit off. And I'm like, "Yo, everyone's gonna have to deal with me."

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Uh.

Action Bronson 1:08:30 If you're outside and I'm outside, it's on you.

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 Well, in LA, people would yell at you. They'd yell at you if you'd be outside with no mask on.

Action Bronson 1:08:37 There was nobody out in the streets of New York. I had the whole city to myself.

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 There was a lot of days like that, right?

Action Bronson 1:08:41 Had the whole city to myself. I would get from one place to another in lightning speed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 Do you remember there was this one kid who crashed, like, a million-dollar Porsche? He crashed something like crazy ex- I think it was, like, one of those Carrera GTs. Like, someone-

Action Bronson 1:08:57 That Paul Walker one?

Joe Rogan 1:08:58 Yeah. It was either that or the 918. Like, something cr- some crazy car. And this dude was just using New York City like a racetrack, 'cause there was no cars.

Action Bronson 1:09:08 I didn't know about that.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 'Cause-

Action Bronson 1:09:09 I was doing the same thing in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, though.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 Oh yeah. (laughs)

Action Bronson 1:09:12 Like, that's the problem. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 This guy fucked up that car.

Action Bronson 1:09:16 Mm, that's a nice one.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 Yeah, that's a, that's a Carrera GT. There's not that many of them in the world. And this is a Gemballa.

Action Bronson 1:09:24 That looks total.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 He has charges dismissed. Oh, the charges are dismissed? So this dude was just driving around like a fucking psychopath.