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Post-workout hang: sauna, cold plunge, and “Lucy’d out” energy
- ABAction Bronson
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) My man.
- ABAction Bronson
Damn.
- JRJoe Rogan
What a day.
- ABAction Bronson
I mean, it's a joy to spend time with you.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
It's fucking beautiful.
- JRJoe Rogan
We had a good time today. We had a good time today. Got a nice workout in. Went to some Egyptian barbecue.
- ABAction Bronson
Oof.
- JRJoe Rogan
KG, it's KG barbecue?
- ABAction Bronson
KG barbecue, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
God, I, I'd seen YouTube videos about them.
- ABAction Bronson
(grunts)
- JRJoe Rogan
What an interesting story. Dude's living in Cairo, is a banker. (laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
That's right. It, it always starts off like that. I, I, I told you, there's like architect this, that, they always have these dreams of culinary-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ABAction Bronson
... I don't know, dest- I don't know what the fuck to even call it, but...
- JRJoe Rogan
A-
- ABAction Bronson
It's like when, like me, I wanna be an actor or I wanna play ball or I wanna be a fighter. I wanna do what I do. We all have these dreams, even though... Stay in the fucking lane, don't be the, stay there. Stop being f- stop being an idiot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that is a thing, right? People always wanna do a thing that they're not doing.
- ABAction Bronson
I like hard labor.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- ABAction Bronson
I t- I do, 'cause I do a lot of, like, fun, everyone thinks that j- my job is fun, and it is, there's no doubt. That's why I like to get in a kitchen-
- JRJoe Rogan
Want some coffee?
- ABAction Bronson
No, I'm good. I got this espresso.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- ABAction Bronson
I'm fucking Lucied out.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
It's like I'm, I'm doing things I've never done before.
- 3:59 – 6:04
Getting fit again: kettlebells, mobility, core work, and yoga vs. “animal shit”
- ABAction Bronson
I need to take care of myself, Joe. I'm, I'm not-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you have in the past.
- ABAction Bronson
... you can tell I haven't-
- JRJoe Rogan
You've have in the past. You know, you made a big jump when, uh, you know, you had one of your babies, one of-
- ABAction Bronson
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
... y- your kids, you just decided, "I am going to get fit now," and you lost a ton of weight. You lost a ton of weight. You, you got, you got real healthy, you started working out all the time. And you and I worked out together at the Onnit Gym and I was like, "Dude puts in work." That was real. That was, like, a real workout.
- ABAction Bronson
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You weren't, you know, you would obviously been working out a lot 'cause, uh, John Wolfe for-
- ABAction Bronson
Love him.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who's the master.
- ABAction Bronson
Love him.
- JRJoe Rogan
The master, like, one of the best trainers on Earth. He s- put us through this workout. That's a fucking serious workout, man. Serious kettlebell shit, mobility shit, all these different body weight things. I think we did bear crawls. We did a lot of shit.
- ABAction Bronson
So I was drenched-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ABAction Bronson
... drenched during the fucking stretch.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Just doing the warmup stretch, I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... fucking e- it was harder than anything for me. Sometimes, the stretching and putting yourself in those, like, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, John-
- ABAction Bronson
... crazy for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
... targets unique area, like, he's big on hip strength and hip flexibility. So he has you doing all these hip exercises with your legs up in the air in circles and all this stuff, and you're like, "Whoa, I never do anything like this. Like, this is hard to do."
- ABAction Bronson
I haven't done it since him.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
I haven't had- I need to get back on that, 'cause those are the types of things that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... I wanna work with a core specialist like him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ABAction Bronson
I need the core work.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 6:04 – 9:22
Bulletproofing the body: clubs, shoulder stability, knees-over-toes, and tib raises
- JRJoe Rogan
I see when you're, like, swinging that mace.
- ABAction Bronson
Oh man, I feel like such-
- JRJoe Rogan
You love that mace.
- ABAction Bronson
... a fucking barbarian.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
It's a 60-pound hammer, for fuck's sakes-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... wrapped in leather.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
That feels-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... fucking sick to manhandle that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's ha- those are so hard to move around, like, uh, we were talking today about those clubs, that the club I use is only 20 pounds, which just doesn't seem like a lot of weight. But when you're... got it out in front of you-
- ABAction Bronson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and doing these things, it's fucking hard to do, man.
- ABAction Bronson
Stabilizing 20 pounds is still stabilizing 20 pounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ABAction Bronson
And you need those, those front da- that move that you were doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ABAction Bronson
That just, that, that's bulletproofing all those little muscles around fr- uh, your shoulder area and your lat and everything. Just making you feel-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and I was telling you too, it's really good for archery.
- ABAction Bronson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Because, like, a lot of it is extending your arm straight out. You know, when you're doing a shield cast, you're going around your head.
- ABAction Bronson
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you're extending your arm out. It's like, ph- it's such a weird way to move your muscles, that when you're doing it, you're like, "Whoa. Why, why don't I do this more often?" Like, "Why am I bad at this?" How am I, how am I so good at this, so good at, like, lifting things up over my head, but anything gets sideways and around, I'm all squirrelly with 20 pounds?
- ABAction Bronson
It's fucking worth feeling.
- JRJoe Rogan
That seems stupid.
- ABAction Bronson
Like, when I do those little things with the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
It's humbling.
- 9:22 – 17:11
Fight fan deep dive: Mark Hunt, K-1 legends, and terrifying punchers
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, Mark Hunt, who used to fight in the UFC?
- ABAction Bronson
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
He has calves like shoulders, like two shoulders, like your whole body. (laughs) That's so big.
- ABAction Bronson
(laughs) That's a different, uh, species of human being...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... those Samoas.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, Mark Hunt, he was one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. You ever watch him in K-1, back in the kickboxing?
- ABAction Bronson
Of course, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That dude won the K-1 Grand Prix.
- ABAction Bronson
Pretty nuts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that is an accomplishment over everything else in standup combat sports.
- ABAction Bronson
Not m- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, other than, like, MMA championships.
- ABAction Bronson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
K-1 Grand Prix was, like, Alistair Overeem won that.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you think about the guys that were fighting back then, like Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost, Mr. Perfect.
- ABAction Bronson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, damn. And Mark Hunt won that. Like, that's how good Mark Hunt was. Mark Hunt just beat some undefeated boxer in Australia.
- ABAction Bronson
He won that? He beat, he won the match?
- JRJoe Rogan
He knocked the dude out.
- ABAction Bronson
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was a fight where he was like... It was Mark Hunt has this big name. This guy's this undefeated, up-and-coming boxer.
- ABAction Bronson
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's really young, and Mark Hunt's, like, 40-something.
- ABAction Bronson
He's 50.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, you gotta see this fight. It's crazy.
- ABAction Bronson
Damn.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is how good Mark Hunt is.
- ABAction Bronson
And that was recent.
- 17:11 – 31:02
Knockouts, brain damage, and when referees get it wrong
- ABAction Bronson
Why do you breathe like that when you're knocked out?
- JRJoe Rogan
When you're almost dead.
- ABAction Bronson
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you're almost dead.
- ABAction Bronson
Makes sense. (laughs) Makes sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you, you're getting knocked unconscious, like, someone can then kill you. Like y- y- you know, it's like they've already put you away, now you're at their mercy. And if someone's just at your mercy.
- ABAction Bronson
But you've seen them doing this before-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... and twitching, but ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ABAction Bronson
Like those deep crazy breaths with the eyes open-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's f-
- ABAction Bronson
... is fucking scary.
- JRJoe Rogan
Scary. Those-
- ABAction Bronson
That shit's scary.
- JRJoe Rogan
... those kind of knockouts are fucking terrifying. And how many of them can your body endure, and at what age? Th- these are the real questions. Like, maybe you can bounce back from one when you're 18, but when you're 35, you can't, you know? It's, it's ... There's just scary.
- ABAction Bronson
Dudes who take beatings for five rounds, they must get micro, whatever that, this means. Micro concussions.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's no micro about it, man.
- ABAction Bronson
That's what I'm saying. They're getting concussed-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
... every fucking time.
- JRJoe Rogan
(smacks lips) Most likely if they get rocked-
- ABAction Bronson
But how do you recover like that?
- JRJoe Rogan
... if they get dropped ... Well, they're, first of all, they're, they're in an insane shape. Like, every guy who gets to a five-round championship level. Like, did you watch that, um, Sean Strickland-Paolo Costa fight?
- ABAction Bronson
I sure did.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, you gotta be in bonkers shape to put that pace on a person for three rounds.
- ABAction Bronson
It's unbelievable.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just s- ... Strickland just stays on you, just stays on you, and Paulo-
- ABAction Bronson
He stays in the gym, that's why.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 31:02 – 36:14
Grappling urges, fight fouls, and training tools: bites, mouthguards, breath restriction
- ABAction Bronson
... I wanna grapple somebody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you were saying that.
- ABAction Bronson
I would do a celebrity grappling, even though it's like... Celeb- fuck a celeb, just a grappling.
- JRJoe Rogan
As long as there's no heel hooks.
- ABAction Bronson
No heel hooks. Grappling...
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
This is not jujitsu. This is grappling.
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- ABAction Bronson
I wanna do collegiate style and mixed with Roman-Greco.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you really?
- ABAction Bronson
I don't know. Yeah, I do. I wanna fucking throw somebody around-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
... for sure. I wanna fucking submit somebody very badly.
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Every day I practice submitting a, a fucking sandbag.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you?
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah, every day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever take jujitsu classes?
- ABAction Bronson
I did a couple of times, but I, I've been offered to go where my son goes, but I don't know, man. It's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Get in there.
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Get in there.
- ABAction Bronson
I need, I only wanna learn top pressure.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it? (laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
I'm never gonna be on the fucking bottom, dog. Fuck that. Only top.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Aggressive top.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) But what are you gonna do to get up?
- ABAction Bronson
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gotta learn how to get off the bottom at least.
- 36:14 – 46:21
Terrence Howard aftermath: wild theories, “quantum yin-yang,” and science skepticism
- ABAction Bronson
I, I mean, all... You use all these different fucking, these different things that people f- invent, I think. By the way, I feel like an asshole sometimes when I come on here. Terrence Howard.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah. No, I don't even know what to say. I was, like, Googling shit to talk about after that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ABAction Bronson
What the fuck?
- JRJoe Rogan
There's-
- ABAction Bronson
What in the actual fuck?
- JRJoe Rogan
First of all-
- ABAction Bronson
I, I understand it though.
- JRJoe Rogan
I kind of understand it.
- ABAction Bronson
I understand it. I understand.
- JRJoe Rogan
Kind... I mean, it made sense.
- ABAction Bronson
Tamizh may-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's making sense.
- ABAction Bronson
He's making me believe.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's way too smart to just be making everything up. Like, this, there's no way he's just ma- he's a lunatic. Like, I've, I've heard people say-
- ABAction Bronson
You can't just lie. You can't just come up on that.
- JRJoe Rogan
... he's a lunatic.
- ABAction Bronson
You can't just-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's making things... I'm like, I, I don't think that's correct. He knows too much.
- ABAction Bronson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
So is he correct? I don't know. And then that's, so that's what has, what has to happen is Terrence Howard has to sit down with someone who's, uh, an academic. Someone who's got a PhD in whatever discipline they're talking about. And they can have a discussion and you can see what he really knows and just what he can say to me. Right? It, to me, it all makes sense, but I'm a moron.
- ABAction Bronson
No, you're not, but if you're talking to a mathematician-
- JRJoe Rogan
But now also-
- ABAction Bronson
... or if you're talking to a physicist, someone who actually can understand what these computations mean and what he's trying to say about one plus one or one multiplied by one can't be one. Like, no mathematics.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
Everything is bullshit. I believe that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- ABAction Bronson
I wasn't (laughs) I wasn't good in algebra-... I'm be- I see, I see it more in a linear way. Not a linear way, a different way than him, like, more similarly to him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Well, I would imagine that there's probably more to all, all these things.
- 46:21 – 51:21
China, offshoring, and the long-term cost of cheap labor
- JRJoe Rogan
This is one of the things that freaks me out about the current state of the world, is that we are at odds with China. And China has been-
- ABAction Bronson
Why?
- JRJoe Rogan
... around forever. They are so much more established. They've been around for 4,000 years, man. They figured it out-
- ABAction Bronson
So many dynasties and ...
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They've been thriving economically for 4,000 years. They invented everything. China invented paper. They invented alcohol. They invented the mechanical clock. They invented gunpowder. They invented rockets.
- ABAction Bronson
I mean, bro, when I fucking order my clothes to sell, I get it from there. They do it much fucking better and cheaper than here.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can buy good American stuff.
- ABAction Bronson
No, but it's not the same.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, was-
- ABAction Bronson
When you outo- All right, listen.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
I like America. But if you want to get it done right, you go to China. (laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so ridiculous.
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah, I know. It's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so ridiculous.
- ABAction Bronson
That is a crazy thing to say.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But it is fucked up that somewhere, we lost our way, and we decided that it would be better for some people over here to get things paid for in a cheap manner. Get cheap labor from a country where they let people work for like almost nothing, and buy your shit from them, and then sell it over here. But it's just short math, because like everybody's like, "Hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck the trickle down of that is? How about it ... We just make less money or we don't look at it in terms of like you're never gonna end, it's never gonna stop growing?" How about we just like maintain what we've got and make high-quality stuff and keep all these jobs here? Like what, what's the economic downside of getting rid of thousands of jobs every time they close a plant? Thousands of jobs. Just to make a little bit more money? Or even if it's a lot more money. Like aren't you making money? Isn't it so successful that you can buy a new plant in Mexico? Like what the fuck are we doing?
- ABAction Bronson
People are fucking freaking out.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so short-sighted.
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah. It's all, it's all money, money, money, money, money, money, money.
- JRJoe Rogan
You ever see Roger & Me?
- ABAction Bronson
Mm-mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, uh, Michael Moore's best documentary, I think. And it's, uh, the first one too.
- ABAction Bronson
I like Michael Moore a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, he was young. He's a good dude. I met him a couple times.
- ABAction Bronson
I met him one time coming out of the fucking 23rd-
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- 51:21 – 1:08:06
Made-in-USA vs. global charity side effects—and Bronson’s jersey identity
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (sniffs) I work with Origin. Origin is a company in Maine. It's all American-made, everything, threads, everything, cloth, everything. All our hunting gear is made by Origin. All of it's made. They, they, they develop the pattern. They make it all. It's all, everybody gets paid well. Great jobs. It's just like, it just feels better. I always said that about, like, iPhones. Like, make me an iPhone that you make in America. Just charge me more money. Can you do, just put a little US flag in the corner, so I know-
- ABAction Bronson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... I'm getting that one? And just charge me more money. Just charge me more money.
- ABAction Bronson
It's like when, when you buy a pair of New Balance sneakers, the made-in-America ones are always-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ABAction Bronson
... the better-quality stuff, you know? You know you're getting quality when it says, "Made in the U.S. of A."
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, but also, you know you're getting it from people that you have to adhere to laws, like labor laws. You, you don't have to adhere to those if you're buying them from third-world countries.
- ABAction Bronson
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, you're, that's, it's kinda weird that that's okay. And I know, I, I understand the economics of it. I don't really, but I understand that I don't understand it. I understand I'm not, it's not my place. But I get why everybody did it, but you gotta look at what's, what that, what the cost of that is. It's so insane. You know, someone was explaining to me that there's some African countries that get free clothes from the United States. So, like, they'll donate, like, free clothes. Like, a bunch of companies, and they get together, and they're donating free clothes. Which seems great, right? But a lot of these developing countries have people making clothes. And then all of a sudden, a bunch of free clothes get dropped off, and they're like, "Hey, what the fuck?" Like, "We're, we're, now, I'm not gonna sell any fucking clothes." Now you literally can't get by making clothes because they're giving away free clothes. And giving away free ch- free, free clothes is, like, a part of their whole charitable organization. Like, to make everybody feel great.
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But-
- ABAction Bronson
They don't need to be doing that.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you could, in fact, create a-
- ABAction Bronson
Give them money.
- JRJoe Rogan
... growing economy by giving people free clothes. I was like-
- ABAction Bronson
Give them food.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would've never thought that. I would've never thought that giving someone free clothes could ever be bad. But it could be bad if they're actually starting to develop an economy, or they have a thriving economy, and somebody makes clothes there. And all of a sudden, you know, we think if we should give them free clothes, that's gonna (laughs) fix everything and make us feel better.
- ABAction Bronson
I'll tell you this. In every fucking third-world country I've been to, they got fucking Lionel Messi jerseys. They got Vini Jr. Jerseys. They got all, they got all kinds of sports jerseys. They're not wearing any, they're wearing fucking jerseys.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're getting-
- ABAction Bronson
All kinds of sports clothing, Puma.
- JRJoe Rogan
Interesting. That's, that's the cool shit to wear?
- ABAction Bronson
Always, always. Young kids always got the fucking soccer jerseys on, or just, like, a team shirt. I see Yankee shirts.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's always been the case though, right?
- ABAction Bronson
Always. Come on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ABAction Bronson
I mean, I, to this day, my wardrobe is jerseys. That's all I like wearing.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
(laughs) That's all I like wearing. I've taken this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is, is that a Patrick Ewing?
- ABAction Bronson
Yeah, Patrick Ewing. I wore this jersey-
- 1:08:06 – 1:19:01
Pandemic NYC: empty streets, supercar crashes, and traffic rage in normal life
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.... isn't it? It was g- what, those were so crazy days. You couldn't go outside without a mask on.
- ABAction Bronson
I was wearing a gas mask to go to the fucking supermarket.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Can you believe that? (laughs) I had a fucking 3M gas mask with the two things here.
- JRJoe Rogan
(screams)
- ABAction Bronson
I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, "What am I doing?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
And I just took that shit off. And I'm like, "Yo, everyone's gonna have to deal with me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh.
- ABAction Bronson
If you're outside and I'm outside, it's on you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, in LA, people would yell at you. They'd yell at you if you'd be outside with no mask on.
- ABAction Bronson
There was nobody out in the streets of New York. I had the whole city to myself.
- JRJoe Rogan
There was a lot of days like that, right?
- ABAction Bronson
Had the whole city to myself. I would get from one place to another in lightning speed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you remember there was this one kid who crashed, like, a million-dollar Porsche? He crashed something like crazy ex- I think it was, like, one of those Carrera GTs. Like, someone-
- ABAction Bronson
That Paul Walker one?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It was either that or the 918. Like, something cr- some crazy car. And this dude was just using New York City like a racetrack, 'cause there was no cars.
- ABAction Bronson
I didn't know about that.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause-
- ABAction Bronson
I was doing the same thing in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, though.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh yeah. (laughs)
- ABAction Bronson
Like, that's the problem. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
This guy fucked up that car.
- ABAction Bronson
Mm, that's a nice one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's a, that's a Carrera GT. There's not that many of them in the world. And this is a Gemballa.
- ABAction Bronson
That looks total.
- JRJoe Rogan
He has charges dismissed. Oh, the charges are dismissed? So this dude was just driving around like a fucking psychopath.
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