Joe Rogan Experience #2165 - Jack Carr

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Jack Carley, ladies and gentlemen.

   4. JCJack Carr0:13

      What's up, man?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

   6. JCJack Carr0:15

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What's happening?

   8. JCJack Carr0:16

      So good to be here. This is awesome. Man, Comedy mothership, amazing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      You had a good time?

   10. JCJack Carr0:21

       It was so much fun. So cool. We had a blast up there. And, uh, yeah, everybody was amazing. Ron White came up to say hi afterward. And, uh, was in that booth, somebody, um, her last name Lardner, so Kyle Lardner's her name, and she does, uh, uh, piano music, sells vinyl. And she's up there, but she... I think her, I think she said her, uh, grandfather or somebody wrote MASH-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Oh, wow.

   12. JCJack Carr0:46

       ... back in the day.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       The theme song?

   14. JCJack Carr0:47

       The, uh, the, the screenplay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Oh, wow.

   16. JCJack Carr0:49

       Yeah. So, somebody... Or somebody related to her, anyway-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Oh.

   18. JCJack Carr0:52

       ... did that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I know. I thought music just...

   20. JCJack Carr0:54

       Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Uh, so it was, (laughs) it was fun watching the, watching the show with her. She knows Ron White so he came up. That's why he came up and said hi to us. But it was so... Everybody killed it. It was so much fun. And I love how you put your phone in the bag, turn it off-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   22. JCJack Carr1:07

       ... put it, and, and lock it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       We need more of that in life.

   24. JCJack Carr1:10

       Uh-huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Yeah. It's hard for people to not be distracted these days. Everyone's distracted.

   26. JCJack Carr1:16

       Yeah. But it was so noticeable. So you're in that VIP balcony.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yeah.

   28. JCJack Carr1:19

       Amazing. And then you're looking down, but it was so noticeable now that no one has their phones out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JCJack Carr1:24

       If you didn't have that, you'd look down from that balcony and you'd certainly see somebody just got to return a quick text.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   We'll see. It's, uh,…

   1. JCJack Carr15:00

      We'll see. It's, uh, it's one of those things you have to think about. Uh, some authors like Stephen Hunter, uh, Daniel Silva have aged their character in real time, but that, that's a 20-plus years series. And so they're old.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Especially if they're out there kicking ass.

   3. JCJack Carr15:12

      Yeah, so if you start that at 40 when they start, you know, they're getting up there now.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Yeah.

   5. JCJack Carr15:16

      So it's, uh, it's a, it's a thing, especially if you want them to keep kicking ass, so... (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      Yeah, yeah. Um, I talked to Mark Greaney about that too.

   7. JCJack Carr15:23

      Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      The, The Gray Man.

   9. JCJack Carr15:24

      Right, right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Same thing, he's gonna go James Bond.

   11. JCJack Carr15:26

       Same type of deal. I think so. I think that's, uh...

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Yeah, it's the way to go.

   13. JCJack Carr15:28

       You know? Yeah, I think.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       There's already a precedent set, people accept it.

   15. JCJack Carr15:31

       Yeah, exactly. Do what I...

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       James Bond should be a thousand years old.

   17. JCJack Carr15:34

       (laughs) Cool.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       How the fuck is James Bond still kicking ass? And they got a new James Bond coming out?

   19. JCJack Carr15:37

       We'll see, we'll see. So what they need to do for that one... What they need to do, if they, if they asked me, uh, after what they did at the end, and I don't know if we can say spoiler alert, 'cause if people haven't seen the last movie-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       Right.

   21. JCJack Carr15:47

       ... um, but it ends, it's very final how it ends, but, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Allegedly.

   23. JCJack Carr15:50

       ... interesting way to end-

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Allegedly.

   25. JCJack Carr15:52

       ... one of the most successful series, uh, of all time.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       Yeah.

   27. JCJack Carr15:55

       Um, but I think you go back and you do those as period pieces. So you go back and you start with the first book and you start it in the '50s when it was written. And so you have post-World War II era Great Britain.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Oh, yeah.

   29. JCJack Carr16:05

       And you're doing it... You have all the cars. So in the m- in the books, he's driving an old Bentley, uh, and it's from 19... From the '30s.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Oh, wow.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Hmm. …

   1. JCJack Carr30:00

      that he started. I think the first one was back in the, back in the '70s, early '70s. Um, he passed away a couple years ago, but he started doing them more frequently. Uh, and then, uh, Tom Clancy was every two, two and a half years. And then, we get up into the late '90s and you have Daniel Silva, a book a year. You have-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Hmm.

   3. JCJack Carr30:15

      ... Vince Flynn, book a year, and so it became something that was normal, and now people expect it. So I think that-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Yeah.

   5. JCJack Carr30:20

      ... it's more that than anything else.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Yeah, people get hooked on a character.

   7. JCJack Carr30:24

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      They want a new book every year.

   9. JCJack Carr30:25

      Yeah. Exactly.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Like, Granny does a new Gray Man every year.

   11. JCJack Carr30:28

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Yeah.

   13. JCJack Carr30:28

       Exactly. So that's kind of the, what the audience expects, and, uh, and it's fun. And again, it, it, it is, you know, it's a, it's a timeline that you can hit. Uh, two a year would be difficult to do. Um, that would be extremely difficult to do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       That's insane.

   15. JCJack Carr30:39

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Does anybody do two a year?

   17. JCJack Carr30:41

       Uh, I think there's a couple guys who have done it. Well, m- I think when you get a little, maybe when you get a little older, like, like, uh, John Grisham, so kids out of the house, that sort of a thing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Right.

   19. JCJack Carr30:48

       And you don't do all of the other things, uh, like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Trying to avoid the wife.

   21. JCJack Carr30:51

       ... podcasts. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       (laughs) Lock yourself in your office.

   23. JCJack Carr30:54

       Your words. I, uh... (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Yeah. (laughs)

   25. JCJack Carr30:56

       But, uh, but yeah, I think y- you can get to that stage where you're not doing, if you're not doing a podcast, and you're not doing social media, and you're not writing a blog, and you're not updating your website, zero of those things, but you love to write and all the kids are out of the house-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Hmm.

   27. JCJack Carr31:08

       ... and you already have established a readership from the '80s, the '90s, early 2000s when there were less distractions, when we didn't have all these video games, didn't have social platforms-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Right.

   29. JCJack Carr31:16

       ... didn't have YouTube, didn't have on-demand, any movie ever made-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Right.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      people to do things, to make things. And then they appear and those things encourage more people to make more things.

   2. JCJack Carr45:09

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      And I think it works that way with music. I think that works that way with comedy. It works that way with literature, with pretty much everything.

   4. JCJack Carr45:15

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Everything that's really good encourages more people to do those things, and then more things happen-

   6. JCJack Carr45:22

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      ... and better things get made. And I think that's how these things will themselves into existence. They do it through our minds.

   8. JCJack Carr45:33

      Like almost spiritual?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:35

      I don't l- know if I like that word 'cause it's been co-opted by hippie chicks (laughs) -

   10. JCJack Carr45:40

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       ... and dudes pretending to be spiritual to try to get laid.

   12. NANarrator45:42

       Yeah. Yeah.

   13. JCJack Carr45:43

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Yeah.

   15. NANarrator45:43

       That's a thing.

   16. JCJack Carr45:44

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       I think a lot of spiritual hippies are being l- girls are being honest. The guys are probably-

   18. NANarrator45:47

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       ... 80% of them are not being honest.

   20. JCJack Carr45:48

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Um, but yeah, whatever that word means.

   22. JCJack Carr45:51

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       It's something. That there's something more to it than this sort of reductionist view of what an idea is. And if someone says, "What's your proof?" You know, "We have evidence of s- " I have no proof.

   24. JCJack Carr46:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       It's not... I don't... I think the world is way stranger than we think.

   26. JCJack Carr46:09

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       And I think our existence here is way stranger than we think. And I think people have been wrestling with that forever. And for me to just think, "Oh, the muse is just this like airy-fairy concept-"

   28. JCJack Carr46:22

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       "... that you give to the results of hard work and dedication." No. I think hard work and dedication are important 'cause you summon the muse. I think the muse is a real thing.

   30. JCJack Carr46:32

       Wow. And you've, you've come to this over time.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:00:44

   Sylvester Stallone brought that…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. JCJack Carr1:00:00

      Sylvester Stallone brought that to the, uh, he knew the importance of props.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      I think I need a knife.

   4. JCJack Carr1:00:03

      Yeah, he brought it to the, uh, to, because he knew the importance of props. Uh, which is why I gave James Reese the, uh, the tomahawks.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Oh.

   6. JCJack Carr1:00:10

      Uh, because I knew the importance of props as well from that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      Mm.

   8. JCJack Carr1:00:12

      And, uh, and actually, Stallone, it was, this was so cool. I got to talk to, to Stallone. He was fantastic. He was awesome. He wanted to, uh, jump on a Zoom with me.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Wow.

   10. JCJack Carr1:00:21

       And I was like, oh my God, as a child of the '80s, I was so fired up. So I was just like trying to play it cool, right? Like trying to play it cool. I had my phone down in the corner trying, I'm taking some pictures, you know, just to, to commemorate this, this moment. But he was funny, he was wise. Um, and, uh, passed, it was, he passed along some lessons. And, uh, yeah, we just got to hang out and talk and see if there was something that we could do together. So I wrote up a, a, uh, little treatment for him specifically.

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