Joe Rogan Experience #2165 - Jack Carr

1. 0:00 – 1:41

   Comedy Mothership hang + the case for phone-free experiences

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Jack Carley, ladies and gentlemen.

   4. JCJack Carr0:13

      What's up, man?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

   6. JCJack Carr0:15

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What's happening?

   8. JCJack Carr0:16

      So good to be here. This is awesome. Man, Comedy mothership, amazing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      You had a good time?

   10. JCJack Carr0:21

       It was so much fun. So cool. We had a blast up there. And, uh, yeah, everybody was amazing. Ron White came up to say hi afterward. And, uh, was in that booth, somebody, um, her last name Lardner, so Kyle Lardner's her name, and she does, uh, uh, piano music, sells vinyl. And she's up there, but she... I think her, I think she said her, uh, grandfather or somebody wrote MASH-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Oh, wow.

   12. JCJack Carr0:46

       ... back in the day.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       The theme song?

   14. JCJack Carr0:47

       The, uh, the, the screenplay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Oh, wow.

   16. JCJack Carr0:49

       Yeah. So, somebody... Or somebody related to her, anyway-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Oh.

   18. JCJack Carr0:52

       ... did that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I know. I thought music just...

   20. JCJack Carr0:54

       Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Uh, so it was, (laughs) it was fun watching the, watching the show with her. She knows Ron White so he came up. That's why he came up and said hi to us. But it was so... Everybody killed it. It was so much fun. And I love how you put your phone in the bag, turn it off-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   22. JCJack Carr1:07

       ... put it, and, and lock it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       We need more of that in life.

   24. JCJack Carr1:10

       Uh-huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Yeah. It's hard for people to not be distracted these days. Everyone's distracted.

   26. JCJack Carr1:16

       Yeah. But it was so noticeable. So you're in that VIP balcony.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yeah.

   28. JCJack Carr1:19

       Amazing. And then you're looking down, but it was so noticeable now that no one has their phones out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JCJack Carr1:24

       If you didn't have that, you'd look down from that balcony and you'd certainly see somebody just got to return a quick text.
2. 1:41 – 3:45

   Flip phones, texting slang, and parenting in the abbreviation era

   1. JCJack Carr1:41

      Wow. I'm, I'm working towards being able to hand this thing off.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:44

      Yeah?

   3. JCJack Carr1:45

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      Hand it off?

   5. JCJack Carr1:46

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:46

      To who?

   7. JCJack Carr1:47

      Somebody else that's not me. Hand it off and go to the flip.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      Oh, really?

   9. JCJack Carr1:51

      I'm working... I don't think... I'm not gonna be there for a few years, but-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       What about texting, though?

   11. JCJack Carr1:54

       Well, you can still... Remember the Blackberry? Like if you did, did, did, did.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Yeah. Dave Attell was in here and he was texting. He has a flip phone, he texts with his flip phone. I'm like, "What are you doing?"

   13. JCJack Carr2:01

       I got pretty quick at that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       And his makes the beeps too, so it's like (imitates phone texting noises) .

   15. JCJack Carr2:06

       Oh, wow. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

   17. JCJack Carr2:08

       Uh-huh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       (laughs)

   19. JCJack Carr2:08

       Yeah. I mean, I've never done that and we did it. Everybody-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Yeah.

   21. JCJack Carr2:11

       ... did it, you just kind of figured it out. But it was like, what is it? Three letters or symbols on each thing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   23. JCJack Carr2:16

       You can... But you got pretty good with it after a while.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Yeah, you can get pretty good. But it's slow. It's slow and stupid. I mean, that's what happened when people started using the letter U instead of U and the letter R instead of ARE.

   25. JCJack Carr2:29

       I can't do it. Do you do it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       No.

   27. JCJack Carr2:31

       Okay. Yeah, I don't thinks so.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       No.

   29. JCJack Carr2:32

       I'm trying to think of your texts.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       Especially U, you're an author.
3. 3:45 – 5:40

   Days off, enthusiasm vs. discipline, and Joe’s ‘do nothing’ reset

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:45

      I think it just, you just have to have discipline. I think my middle ground is have a reg- a real phone, real smartphone, but discipline.

   2. JCJack Carr3:53

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      You know, just know when to put it away, know when to leave it alone.

   4. JCJack Carr3:57

      Are you good with it? Are you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      Yeah, I'm good with it.

   6. JCJack Carr3:59

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      I'm pretty good with it. It depends on if I have the day off.

   8. JCJack Carr4:02

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      If I have the day off, I'm on that fucking stupid thing six hours.

   10. JCJack Carr4:06

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       I'm watching YouTube.

   12. JCJack Carr4:08

       Are you really?

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       Yeah. If I have the day off, because if I have a day off, I purposely decide to do nothing.

   14. JCJack Carr4:13

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       If I have a day off, I do... Well, I never have a day of nothing.

   16. JCJack Carr4:18

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       I have a day of archery-

   18. JCJack Carr4:21

       Nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       ... working out, then nothing.

   20. JCJack Carr4:24

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       But those days are fucking awesome, man.

   22. JCJack Carr4:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       The, the nothing to do day, oh my God, I appreciate those so much.

   24. JCJack Carr4:32

       Ah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Whereas-

   26. JCJack Carr4:33

       Do you build one in?

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Yeah, I build one in. Yeah. I never work every day.

   28. JCJack Carr4:37

       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       I won't.

   30. JCJack Carr4:37

       Once a week.
4. 5:40 – 9:31

   Sandbox VR zombie missions and thrill-seeking (roller coasters vs. VR)

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:40

      Nah, fun. Like yesterday we did a Father's Day thing. We went and killed zombies.

   2. JCJack Carr5:43

      Nice.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      You ever do Sandbox VR?

   4. JCJack Carr5:46

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      Do you know what that is? Oh my God, it's my favorite thing to do.

   6. JCJack Carr5:48

      What?

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      I fucking love it.

   8. JCJack Carr5:49

      What?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:50

      Yeah. There's this game called Deadwood Mansion and you put on the, uh, the VR helmets and you, you're trapped in a mansion that gets invaded by zombies.

   10. JCJack Carr5:59

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       And you have a shotgun just blasting zombies.

   12. JCJack Carr6:02

       Okay. Nice.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Fucking love it.

   14. JCJack Carr6:04

       Do you go someplace for it?

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's a place called Sandbox VR and it's out here in Austin and there was one in Woodland Hills too. This is the game, this is what it looks like.

   16. JCJack Carr6:14

       Oh, nice. Oh, that's crazy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Yeah, it's fucking dope, dude.

   18. JCJack Carr6:16

       Nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       And so you're...

   20. JCJack Carr6:18

       Oh, damn. It's like a movie.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a movie. And these zombies come running at you and when they grab you, you have a haptic feedback vest so you, you feel it when they're grabbing you.

   22. JCJack Carr6:27

       What?

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       Yeah.

   24. JCJack Carr6:28

       What's a haptic feedback? Like it tightens or you feel like a zap?

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       No, it like zaps you. It's like a buzz on your chest. It's really fun.

   26. JCJack Carr6:36

       That's awesome.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Oh, I love it. They have a ton of games there too. It's not just that. They have a Squid Games one, they have a Star Trek one.

   28. JCJack Carr6:42

       Oh, dang.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       They have one where you, uh, you have duels with people with like space weapons.

   30. JCJack Carr6:47

       That's wild.
5. 9:31 – 11:07

   Saunas, archery courses, and Jack’s overloaded creator schedule

   1. JCJack Carr9:31

      All right. Well, I got that sauna after we talked last time. I think it was getting put in last time we talked. And, uh, it's ... I still haven't really been in it because I plugged it in or whatever. Electrician came, plugged that thing in. It's, uh, one of those barrel ones.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JCJack Carr9:42

      And so, it looks out at the mountains. It has, like, this glass thing on it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      Oh, nice.

   5. JCJack Carr9:45

      Yeah, but it just gets warm. It doesn't get-

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      Oh, really?

   7. JCJack Carr9:48

      Yeah. So, we need to have-

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      Who, who made your sauna?

   9. JCJack Carr9:50

      I don't even know. My wife made it, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       You gotta get a Solus Saunas. It's the guys-

   11. JCJack Carr9:53

       All right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       ... that, uh, did ours, and they have serious heaters. Okay. Like, mine gets to 200 degrees.

   13. JCJack Carr9:57

       Oh, yeah, this was not-

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Yeah.

   15. JCJack Carr9:58

       This just gets kind of ... Not even uncomfortably, uncomfortably warm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Is it, uh, infrared, or is it a regular sauna?

   17. JCJack Carr10:04

       It is. No, it's the one- that has the rocks. It has the little thing in it and it has the rocks-

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       Well, it just gets warm?

   19. JCJack Carr10:08

       And all that stuff. I think it's the altitude. I think it needs some sort of an adjustment for altitude, 'cause we're at about just shy of 8,000 feet.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       Right, but it's electric.

   21. JCJack Carr10:15

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       It doesn't make any sense.

   23. JCJack Carr10:16

       Yeah, I know. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       Yeah, you just con- contact-

   25. JCJack Carr10:19

       I think someone who knows what they're doing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       Yeah, we'll get those guys from Solus Saunas to hook you up.

   27. JCJack Carr10:22

       All right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       They'll just swap out your heater.

   29. JCJack Carr10:23

       Okay.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       You just need a, like ... We have a Huum. It's a ... I think it's H-U-U-M, is the name of the heater.
6. 11:07 – 13:54

   Nonfiction pivot: Beirut barracks bombing book and how collaboration works

   1. JCJack Carr11:07

      It is. My first non-fiction comes out in the fall on the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing. So, that's a whole 'nother thing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:13

      Oh, wow.

   3. JCJack Carr11:13

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:13

      Okay. So, you're getting into historical stuff.

   5. JCJack Carr11:15

      Yeah, I ... We have a lot of history in here. I just love history.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:18

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JCJack Carr11:18

      I always have, since I was a little kid anyway. But, um, really wanted to, to start down that path and explore a different terrorist event, um, and capture the lessons learned behind that event, uh, so that, hopefully moving forward, we don't have to relearn those lessons in blood. And we're not very good at that as a country. We just, uh, tend to relearn things over and over again.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Yeah.

   9. JCJack Carr11:34

      We don't translate lessons into wisdom. So, wanted to try to just do my part and see what I could do in this. Uh, I remember the 1983 bombing. Um, it, it stands out in my mind from when I was a little kid. Newsweek, Time Magazine, I remember those on our kitchen table. Uh, I remember the newspaper in the mornings, remember the news, watching the news with my family at 5:00 o'clock and 6:00 o'clock. And that's an event that ... I mean, it changed the course of US foreign policy, for sure. And the shadow still, uh, still in its shadow today. Um, but, yeah, it killed 241 US service members, and, uh, 58 French paratroopers. And it was the biggest loss of life for the Marine Corps since Iwo Jima and World War II. So, it's, uh, it's a seminal event in Marine Corps history and in our history as a nation. But, uh, there r- isn't really a seminal work on it yet, so-... wanted to do that and did that with, uh, Pulitzer Prize finalist, military historian James Scott, amazing guy. So, we've been working on that for the last two years and that comes out in September. But man, it's go, go, go.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       How do you collaborate something like that with a historian? How does that work? Do you, do you send him stuff, what you're working on, and he gives you feedback? Does... How's it work?

   11. JCJack Carr12:36

       So, I, uh, had the idea and I wanted one person. I wanted this guy, James Scott, amazing guy. He has five other books out there, four on World War II, uh, one on the USS Liberty. And, uh, just s- Uh, he just... I didn't know him personally, um, and doesn't really have a social media presence, so I couldn't really get to know him that way and just... But I just knew his work.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JCJack Carr12:53

       And I thought, oh man, it'd be amazing to collaborate with this guy on this, this project. Um, and so I reached out and luckily he wanted to do it. He was fired up and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Oh, that's great.

   15. JCJack Carr13:02

       ... he's been amazing. Such a great guy. So thorough. Because when you do something that's... Like here, if you make a mistake, you just say, "Uh, it's fiction."

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Right.

   17. JCJack Carr13:09

       Uh, but in something like that, you can't make a mistake. And every single quote, obviously, uh, you have to attribute that to the right person in the right way. All the photographs, uh, attribute all those to the right people in the right way. Buy them, put them in there, uh, license them, whatever you need to do.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JCJack Carr13:21

       So there's a lot more to it on that side-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JCJack Carr13:24

       ... um, that I didn't have any experience with. So, uh, but he's, he's got that part down.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       That's awesome.

   23. JCJack Carr13:29

       Yeah, so it's, uh, it was an amazing experience and we're gonna hopefully kick off another one here. So every... The idea was to do one nonfiction every year. As soon as I started down that path of research, I realized it was gonna be a two-year every two-year type of a thing, 'cause it just... So much more goes into it. You just don't create it out of your head, obviously. You have to interview all these people, you have to go and then, uh, then follow up with everyone. And then you have to, uh, confirm things that people said or a- all these things. So there's a lot more to it than, uh, than I thought at the outset.

7. 13:54 – 16:18

   Book pace, creative burnout, and keeping James Reece ‘James Bond ageless’

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:54

      How many hours a day do you work? Like, do you... 'Cause I would imagine that particularly with fiction, you, you have to avoid burnout, right? You have to be enthusiastic about your subject matter to get the best out of your mind.

   2. JCJack Carr14:06

      Yeah, I mean, I'm so fired up and so... Like you, I feel so fortunate to be doing what I love. And so I... It doesn't seem like work, although you're putting in hours.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:13

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JCJack Carr14:13

      You're certainly putting in hours. Uh, for this one, it took a lot longer than I thought, 'cause usually these books are about, or in this genre, they're about 115,000 words, 100... Between 100 and 115. This one came in at 150. So I kept thinking, oh, it's gonna be done December 1st. Uh, no, January 1st. Uh, February 1st. And it just kept pushing, which is why we're here in July instead of, or sorry, in June instead of May.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:33

      So that's this one.

   6. JCJack Carr14:34

      That's this one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      Red Sky Morning.

   8. JCJack Carr14:35

      Yeah, that's this one right here. So it took a little longer than I, than I anticipated, but that's just because the story dictates how long, 'cause people are trusting me with their time. They're never gonna get that time back. So that's something I take extremely seriously. So all my heart and soul goes into every word, but, but I love it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:49

      When James Reese continues to get older, are you gonna let him get older or are you gonna go James Bond?

   10. JCJack Carr14:53

       I think I'd go James Bond. I'm gonna... I think I'm gonna do it slowly, maybe age him slowly, so we'll see.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       Right.

   12. JCJack Carr15:00

       We'll see. It's, uh, it's one of those things you have to think about. Uh, some authors like Stephen Hunter, uh, Daniel Silva have aged their character in real time, but that, that's a 20-plus years series. And so they're old.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       Especially if they're out there kicking ass.

   14. JCJack Carr15:12

       Yeah, so if you start that at 40 when they start, you know, they're getting up there now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Yeah.

   16. JCJack Carr15:16

       So it's, uh, it's a, it's a thing, especially if you want them to keep kicking ass, so... (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Yeah, yeah. Um, I talked to Mark Greaney about that too.

   18. JCJack Carr15:23

       Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       The, The Gray Man.

   20. JCJack Carr15:24

       Right, right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       Same thing, he's gonna go James Bond.

   22. JCJack Carr15:26

       Same type of deal. I think so. I think that's, uh...

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Yeah, it's the way to go.

   24. JCJack Carr15:28

       You know? Yeah, I think.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       There's already a precedent set, people accept it.

   26. JCJack Carr15:31

       Yeah, exactly. Do what I...

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       James Bond should be a thousand years old.

   28. JCJack Carr15:34

       (laughs) Cool.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       How the fuck is James Bond still kicking ass? And they got a new James Bond coming out?

   30. JCJack Carr15:37

       We'll see, we'll see. So what they need to do for that one... What they need to do, if they, if they asked me, uh, after what they did at the end, and I don't know if we can say spoiler alert, 'cause if people haven't seen the last movie-
8. 16:18 – 24:57

   AI video (Sora), Unreal Engine realism, and Hollywood’s looming disruption

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:18

      Ooh, that would be very expensive though. But now really today with CGI, with AI-

   2. JCJack Carr16:23

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      ... with what they're able to do now.

   4. JCJack Carr16:25

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      You know, Tyler Perry was building an $800 million studio and he stopped production on it when he saw Sora, which is the new AI program that-

   6. JCJack Carr16:34

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:35

      ... almost... I mean, really quickly can render spectacular scenes.

   8. JCJack Carr16:39

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      That... Have you seen it? Have you heard about it?

   10. JCJack Carr16:42

       Is that that one, like, 3D camera, that one in Australia?

   11. NANarrator16:44

       Nope.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       It's a different one?

   13. JCJack Carr16:45

       No, Sora's just AI-generated video. It's AI?

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Show him the one with, um, Japan.

   15. JCJack Carr16:50

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       It's, uh, Tokyo in the snow. It's crazy.

   17. JCJack Carr16:54

       Really?

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       You can't believe it's not real, because it's like, it's got people checking their bag, looking at their watch, tying their shoe, like normal stuff.

   19. JCJack Carr17:02

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Pausing to talk to people.

   21. JCJack Carr17:04

       Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       And you're looking at it and you're like, "What? This is not real?"

   23. JCJack Carr17:07

       Wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       And apparently, they generate them very quickly.

   25. JCJack Carr17:10

       Mm-hmm. I think about in five years from now.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       Oh, it's gonna be impossible.

   27. JCJack Carr17:12

       I think about in 10 years from now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       So this is all AI?

   29. JCJack Carr17:15

       Yeah. Beautiful snowy Tokyo.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       So, "Snowy Tokyo City is bustling. Camera moves through the bustling city street." This is the prompt that made them, um, that made AI create this, following several people.
9. 24:57 – 35:10

   Phones that summarize the web, circle-to-search, and the addiction to convenience

   1. JCJack Carr24:57

      Well, it's the manipulation part that, um, we were already... Just with social media-

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      Uh-huh.

   3. JCJack Carr25:00

      ... that's- I mean, you can take it back 10 years. I mean, Twitter, X, is, you know, similar to when it started, essentially. And- and that's- you're getting manipulated constantly, and it's not just to buy a new detergent-

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:10

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JCJack Carr25:10

      ... like back in the '80s watching a commercial like that. I mean, your thoughts and behaviors are being manipulated by these algorithms and whoever is writing these algorithms. That's a lot of... And so imagine with this- with AI that just went and... The latest update, didn't our phones just get some sort of crazy AI thing in there without-

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:24

      The iPhones do.

   7. JCJack Carr25:25

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:26

      Yeah, and I have a- an Android. I have this, uh, Samsung Galaxy-

   9. JCJack Carr25:30

      Dang.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:30

       ... that I'm switching over to.

   11. JCJack Carr25:31

       Really?

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       And this one does a lot of AI things, like it translates conversations in real time. It'll summarize websites for you. So if there's a website, you know, like, James Webb Telescope found, um, some new galaxy, I'm like, "I'm gonna- I don't have time for this fucking gigantic article."

   13. JCJack Carr25:46

       Let's hope it can.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Give me the summary, and it gives you the- the summary. It'll summarize it.

   15. JCJack Carr25:49

       Oh, man. It's been accurate?

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       Oh yeah, it's really good. And it also- it tells a lot of wild shit, like you could circle a picture. Like if you see Jamie Sneakers, like, "Oh, that's pretty fresh." You circle it, it'll send it right to Google and it shows you where you could buy 'em instantly.

   17. JCJack Carr26:01

       Really?

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       Tells you what it is. Objects-

   19. JCJack Carr26:04

       Man.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       ... show- like French press. Oh, what's that? What is that thing?

   21. JCJack Carr26:06

       Man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:06

       What are they called? French press. It'll- like just from circling, I could take a photo of that, make a circle around it. Here, I'll show you right now.

   23. JCJack Carr26:13

       Uh-huh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       It's pretty crazy.

   25. JCJack Carr26:14

       That is wild. I mean, maybe I should feel- i- instead of, uh, trying to stay away from it, maybe I should embrace it and have- and put the book in it. People can circle it and do whatever they do.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       I think you're always gonna want fiction. I think people are always gonna want fiction, and they're also always gonna want to have things that someone has created.

   27. JCJack Carr26:32

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       I think that's a part of what people enjoy.

   29. JCJack Carr26:35

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:36

       So look.
10. 35:10 – 47:46

    Writing tools, rituals, and the ‘muse’: where ideas come from

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:10

       Do you still use a laptop?

    2. JCJack Carr35:12

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       I would encourage you to not.

    4. JCJack Carr35:14

       I need to not.

    5. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       Yeah. You know why? For the keyboard.

    6. JCJack Carr35:17

       Keyboard.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       Yeah.

    8. JCJack Carr35:18

       W-

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       Keyboards on the MacBook suck.

    10. JCJack Carr35:20

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:21

        I do most of my writing, even when I write, I d- I, I either write at home on a, a Apple-

    12. JCJack Carr35:26

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:26

        ... with a, it's a, it's a really nice keyboard. There's a lot of trigger travel and it's ergonomic-

    14. JCJack Carr35:30

        Uh-huh.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:30

        ... it's separated. Or I have a ThinkPad.

    16. JCJack Carr35:33

        Ah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:33

        I don't know if you ever used one of those Lenovo ThinkPads.

    18. JCJack Carr35:35

        No.

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:35

        The keyboards are superior.

    20. JCJack Carr35:38

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        Superior to the Apple ones. First of all, all the keys have, like, a little dip in them.

    22. JCJack Carr35:45

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:45

        So your fingles, finger settles in to that little valley.

    24. JCJack Carr35:48

        Yep.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:49

        And then there's a lot of travel.

    26. JCJack Carr35:50

        Uh-huh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:51

        It's like 1.8 millimeters. One of th- one of them things I have is 2.2 millimeters of travel. So as you're typing-

    28. JCJack Carr35:57

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:57

        ... you're feeling it.

    30. JCJack Carr35:59

        Yep.
11. 47:46 – 1:03:03

    Fate, combat focus, and why SEAL prep translates into fiction authenticity

    1. JCJack Carr47:46

       Yeah. Well, fate's an interesting thing, obviously. Um, I thought about it. You know, I thought about it my whole life. G- My dad gave me a book a long time ago when I was a kid, called The Bridge on San Luis Rey, and it's about these people that are on this bridge. It collapses, and, uh, it's in Central Thou- South- South America somewhere, and all- they all die. And the story's about, why are all the- why are these people, let's say there's seven, there might- there might be more or less, but regardless, about that number, a group of people, why were they on that bridge at that time when it collapsed?

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:13

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JCJack Carr48:13

       And it's just an interesting, uh, thing to think about. And I- I thought about it again in Iraq back in early 2005, 2006 timeframe, because anything could've been an IED, and you're going down the road, you're heading to a target, you're doing a convoy, whatever you're doing, and anything, a dead donkey on the side of the road, trash, whatever, like any- just a- a disrupted piece of dirt, whatever, anything could be an IED back then. So, we got there and I thought, "You know what? I can either be worried about that sort of thing, or I can just accept the fate part of it and do my job as- at that time as an officer, and, uh, and do my job as the best leader and operator I can possibly be, and focus on the mission, and focus on the guys, uh, and crush this thing, and- and that's where my focus needs to be, not on whether that thing's an IED."

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:54

       Right.

    5. JCJack Carr48:54

       I got somebody up in the turret as we're going. You know, they're looking, they're doing that thing. We have some technology that's- that's helping counter some of these things. They're- of course, the enemy, though, is adapting to that technology.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:03

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JCJack Carr49:03

       That's warfare. You're always adapting to the enemy. Enemy's always adapting to you. Uh, you're looking for gaps in the enemy's defenses, you're trying to capitalize on momentum, but they're clever and, uh, they know exactly how we counter things, and they adapt, and in turn, we have to adapt to that. So, I- I d- decided to resign myself to fate, as far as that stuff goes, so I could just focus on the mission and be the best leader I could be. So, fate's an interesting thing.

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:25

       It is, and it's interesting hearing that from you, because you're talking about it in the most extreme environment that exists, which is war, and that in order for you to be completely focused, you kind of had to give into that.

    9. JCJack Carr49:38

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:38

        That's the only way you'll be able to do your j- And then, also, if you're not completely focused, it could wind up costing you-

    11. JCJack Carr49:45

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        ... or your teammates' lives.

    13. JCJack Carr49:47

        Exactly. Exactly. That's the same reason while I was in, all I focused on, and, and I- I had to talk to my wife about this, but she understood it, uh, the pendulum's on the side of the team when you're in. If you're bringing guys downrange, maybe you're in a staff job somewhere, maybe not, but if you're taking guys downrange, you do not want to be 10 years on from whatever's gonna happen downrange in Iraq or Afghanistan or somewhere else around the world sitting on that couch after something goes sideways wondering if you did everything you possibly could have done in preparation for that event-

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:16

        Right.

    15. JCJack Carr50:16

        ... to be the best oper- make the best decisions under fire-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:18

        Right.

    17. JCJack Carr50:18

        ... as you possibly could. So, that's why on- on the weekends, I was training. Uh, there were people going around the country on the civilian side of the house, du- so I'd be out there training pistols, training rifle

    18. NANarrator50:28

        (mic feedback) .

    19. JCJack Carr50:28

        ... on the weekend, uh, always working out, always reading military history, always reading about Iraq, Afghanistan, so that I was not gonna leave anything on the field, um, 'cause it was just something that I was very aware of, just reading histories of Vietnam and thinking about the guys when they came home from that, and, uh, just how the enemy gets a vote. You can also do all those things I just talked about and things can still go sideways, but I wanted to know that I was as prepared as I could possibly be. Uh...

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:53

        And in the margins, in the far ends, the- those- the hard days that you put in in training could be the difference-

    21. JCJack Carr51:00

        Could...

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:00

        ... between your life or life mates- life of your teammates.

    23. JCJack Carr51:03

        Exactly. Like now-

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:04

        Yeah.

    25. JCJack Carr51:04

        ... it's easy for me to say, "Uh, I don't think I need to work out today. I need to write a book." (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:09

        (laughs) Right.

    27. JCJack Carr51:10

        You know? Back then, no.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:11

        Right.

    29. JCJack Carr51:11

        "I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna do this run, I'm gonna hit that obstacle course again."

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:14

        Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 2:39:53