Joe Rogan Experience #2176 - Chad Daniels

Chad Daniels is a stand-up comic and a host of the "Middle of Somewhere" and "Pretend Problems" podcasts. Watch his new special, "Empty Nester," on Netflix. www.chaddaniels.com

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0:00 – 1:48
Phone eavesdropping & luxury “exclusivity” marketing (the purse incident)
1. NANarrator
  (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello, Chad.
4. CDChad Daniels
  Hi.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  What's happening, man?
6. CDChad Daniels
  Nothing much.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Nice to meet you in person.
8. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, likewise.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, we were already chatting about how Google, uh, is totally listening to me.
10. CDChad Daniels
  Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Confirmed 100%. 'Cause your Google News feed is always, like, stuff that you're interested in-
12. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm, yep.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... pretty much. But I was having a conversation with my wife about purses, and she was explaining to me that certain purses, like, you can't just buy the purse. You have to develop a relationship with a store owner. I'm like, "What?"
14. CDChad Daniels
  I don't get that.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  That's, uh-
16. CDChad Daniels
  You'd think if you're trying to sell stuff, you would wanna sell it right when they came in.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly. I don't get it. But, like, there's a thing that certain, like, posh people really love, and it's exclusivity.
18. CDChad Daniels
  Sure.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  They love it. "I'm the only one that can get this watch."
20. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  "I'm the only one that can get this fucking purse or whatever it is." So anyway, all of a sudden, Google starts showing me purse things.
22. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  They start showing me all this stuff about purses. I didn't, I didn't look anything up about purses.
24. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  I just had a conversation with the phone sitting at the dinner table. That's crazy.
26. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, happens all the time. I mean-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's weird, li-
28. CDChad Daniels
  ... it ends up in your feed, you're like, "Oh, my forearms are too small."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Ha.
30. CDChad Daniels
  Next thing you know, you got these flexi deals-
1:48 – 3:37
Terms of service, ad tracking, and subscription “leakage”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that legal? How's that work? Do you have to sign off on that, on the app? Like, if you're using the Google News app, are you signing off on that?
2. NANarrator
  There are multiple ways that you may have opted into something that's allowing that to happen, yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Jesus.
4. CDChad Daniels
  I haven't read any of those things.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Nobody reads those things.
6. CDChad Daniels
  Right. I scroll to the bottom, hit the thing.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  If you read them, you're a psycho. If you're sitting there reading those things-
8. CDChad Daniels
  How long would it take you?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Forever.
10. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, how big is the Apple one?
12. CDChad Daniels
  It's c- three-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  How big is that one?
14. CDChad Daniels
  F- three full scrolls.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Apple's pretty good about stuff. (smacks lips) I think they're probably the best about that, because they're the first company that actually stepped in and said, "We're gonna stop com- companies from being able to share your information." They're the, the first that did... What was, what exactly did they do, Jamie? They made some sort of a, a big deal. It was an advertising move, and a lot of people got pissed off at them for it.
16. NANarrator
  I- it might have been the, the ability to opt out. I think they might have given you the option to opt out on the settings of the iOS for the first time. I'll check, but I think it's something like that.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm, something like that. I think you're right. It's something like that, but a pu- bunch of people are like, "This is gonna affect our advertising." But yeah, y- you guys are stealing money. Stop doing that.
18. CDChad Daniels
  I spend my mornings going through my emails unsubscribing-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
20. CDChad Daniels
  ... to stuff.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. CDChad Daniels
  It's just too much.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, there's companies, like there's... One of our ads is, uh... What, what, which one is that? That they'll go out and find the subscriptions? Which one is that? Jamie'll find it.
24. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, like they go, they go find it-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They'll do it for you.
26. CDChad Daniels
  ... and let you know what you're subscribed to?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, and you're like, "Oh, National Geographic still?" You know, whatever it is.
28. CDChad Daniels
  Oh.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Whatever.
30. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, God. I am leaking money.
3:37 – 5:25
Columbia Record Club nostalgia & how artists get squeezed
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, that was how they used to get... Do you... How old are you?
2. CDChad Daniels
  49.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, you might be old enough to remem- I'm 56. Do you remember those, uh, Columbia Record House deals?
4. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, hell yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Nobody paid for that. How did they make any money?
6. CDChad Daniels
  I, I still have collection coming in.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody does. I feel like that was a way that they made artists seem more popular than they were. I think that was part of their deals. They could say they sold, uh, you know, millions and millions-
8. CDChad Daniels
  Sure.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... of records. I also think it was probably a way that they could rip artists off, 'cause they could say, "We lost all this money on Columbia." Like, they could, like, factor it in.
10. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, and say, "I know it seems like you sold a million copies, but actually 400,000 of them are Columbia."
12. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And nobody's paid for them.
14. CDChad Daniels
  The MC Hammer clause.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Ri-... Is that what it was?
16. CDChad Daniels
  I don't know, but he's-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
18. CDChad Daniels
  ... that guy.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Did he, did that happen to him?
20. CDChad Daniels
  I, I know that his record deal screwed him over, had to file for bankruptcy, all that stuff.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah, that's right. He went full MC Hammer too. He went crazy. Like, he, he was, like, getting some house built. I remember it was, like, the most extravagant house.
22. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  He had, like, this super expensive marble that was being brought in and, you know, and then they just... I guess they pulled the rug out from under him.
24. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, that's wild.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Those dirty bastards. I don't know this, the whole story behind the M- MC Hammer thing, but they, they for sure don't wanna pay you all that money. (laughs)
26. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, no way. If you look at, if you look at royalties for comics, it's .00, like 15 zeros and then one cent.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh yeah, you get nothing. For audio, for comedy audio-
28. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you get nothing.
30. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
5:25 – 7:12
Comedy royalties lawsuit confusion & the economics of stand-up audio
1. CDChad Daniels
  I mean, I, I don't know, but it's like... Plus the lawsuit. You know about the lawsuit?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Which one?
3. CDChad Daniels
  Where they, they had to take a bunch of people off of Pandora and Spotify and everything because of the, the lawsuit that they went... They were trying to get writer and performance credits.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Who was trying to get it?
5. CDChad Daniels
  Uh, just a, a company. It was, uh... I can't remember what it's called.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Jamie can find it.
7. CDChad Daniels
  Okay.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  So, well, what else were you finding? (laughs)
9. NANarrator
  Experian was the company that does the subscriptions.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, Experian.
11. NANarrator
  Very good.
12. CDChad Daniels
  That's a good company.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, so they'll find your subscriptions, and they'll yank them. So, what is the company that's doing this?
14. CDChad Daniels
  So, so you had all these royalties coming in, and then all of a sudden...... this, this comp- there was, like, uh, a bunch of estates, like the Robin Williams estate, I think maybe George Carlin, where they were like, "Hey, we, we should be getting more, more money for this." Because it's 50/50 split, but songwriters are getting a writer credit and a performance credit.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
16. CDChad Daniels
  And so they wanted comics to do that, but that doesn't really make sense because comedians are, like, "I'm not using your bits, like-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. CDChad Daniels
  ... and so you wouldn't get a writing credit for my performance."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
20. CDChad Daniels
  So, it was strange. And so then Pandora was like, "Fuck this, we're pulling everything down," and pulled a bunch of guys off, including, including myself, but...
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I still don't totally understand. So, who wanted the credit? Like, when they say writer and then performer credit, was that to the comics so the comics would get paid twice?
22. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay. So instead of, like, an artist that didn't write their song, the comics were like, "No, we deserve to get paid twice 'cause we created the entire content."
24. CDChad Daniels
  Exactly. But-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And Pandora was like, "No, we can't do that?"
26. CDChad Daniels
  Right. Because the writers, I mean, like, when you're singing a song and someone else wrote it-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
28. CDChad Daniels
  ... that makes sense.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, right, right.
30. CDChad Daniels
  But no one's doing anybody's bits.
7:12 – 9:16
Buying jokes, early-career ‘toolbox’ anxiety, and how bits evolve
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I bought a, uh, a heckle line once from a buddy of mine (laughs) back in Boston. It's such a dumb line. Uh, Brian Fraser, the comedian. Uh, the joke was, it's a, this is, like, to someone in the audience that's heckling you, like, "This is my impression of God when he made you. 'Okay, just a dash of cunt. Oh, no, the cap fell off."
2. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  "'Too much cunt.'" (laughs)
4. CDChad Daniels
  How much did you pay for it?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't remember. I think it was $500.
6. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't remember.
8. CDChad Daniels
  So it was in-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But it was such a great line.
10. CDChad Daniels
  So he can't use it.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I was like, "Dude, that's a hilarious line." He's like, "I'll never use it." I go, "Sell it to me, I'll fucking use it."
12. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  But, uh, you know, that was like a year into comedy. I was like f- you know, when you're a year into comedy, a-anything that works, it's like you have tools. You have just, like, a toolbox.
14. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And anything that works. They're so precious.
16. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  And you're so scared to write new ones.
18. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah! (laughs)
20. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs) Yeah. You're like, start to freak out and then you're like, "Oh, this come and go gas stiti- station bit always works."
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
22. CDChad Daniels
  You know? So you fall back on that.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. And i- even that sucks. You know, it's kinda like, the problem is like when you're starting out, you say things in a very specific way, and that might not be the best way to say that bit. But that's the way you're kinda stuck saying it.
24. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  That is a problem with bits. Like sometimes when you cre- even today, like I'll create a n- I'm working on a new one, and I'm like, "I don't know about this." I feel like there's another way to say this, and I'm just banking on the way that I've been saying it over and over-
26. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and over again, and maybe I should just abandon it and let it sit there for m- a bit and come back to it.
28. CDChad Daniels
  Someti- I, so I didn't work summers for a long time. I have two kids, and when I was, you know, when they were in high school, I'd always be home during the summer. And I found that in September I would always be able to fix bits a little bit better-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
30. CDChad Daniels
  ... because I'd let them sit. I f- almost forgot about them. You know how it starts?
9:16 – 11:52
Where ideas come from: flow state, sleep, riffing, and ‘the muse’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  F- yeah, for sure. That, I mean, that's what they say sleeping on it is all about. (clears throat) Like-
2. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, like if you're, the piano piece, if you can't figure it out, you play it-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
4. CDChad Daniels
  ... before you go to bed a bunch of times, and then all of a sudden the next morning you wake up and you're like, "Fiddly dee."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  There's been a few times where I woke up in the middle of the night to pee and I realize how to fix a joke.
6. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Just, like, all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, that's it! That's it." It just needed one more little ingredient.
8. CDChad Daniels
  It is a fun eureka moment when you fix a bit.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Dude, what is it? What, where's it coming from?
10. CDChad Daniels
  Like, where's it co- where's the joy coming from?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What, no, where's the, where's the ideas coming from? Where the fuck are they coming from?
12. CDChad Daniels
  I think they do sit. I think there's a part back there that's just constantly going and we don't hear about it, and then when it's done they're like, "Get it to the fucking front."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But, uh, it, but the e- even the creation of an idea is so mysterious. I mean, that's why people invoke the concept of the muse. You know, that's the, Steven Pressfield, he, like, swears by it. The, The War of Art books are all about the muse, about summoning the muse when you write. There's someth- there's something weird going on, I'll tell you that, because it seems like they just, like, enter into your head like a photon, like some shit from space-
14. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... just doot, all the sudden it's in there and like, "Oh, that was an idea." And even though you, it's your idea, like I, I take credit for writing, like I'll take credit for fixing jokes.
16. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I'll take credit for, like, going up, but I always feel like I can't really take credit for the original idea. The original idea is almost like this little gift.
18. CDChad Daniels
  Absolutely.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
20. CDChad Daniels
  Like you see something-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
22. CDChad Daniels
  ... or somebody's doing something and you go, "Oh, shit," and that sparks something and you just go-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. CDChad Daniels
  ... "All right, I gotta write this down."
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Sometimes you just say it outta nowhere. You just say it. Like, you don't even know why you're saying it, you're just saying it.
26. CDChad Daniels
  Yep.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It, and it's like you didn't even think that much, it just came out.
28. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, there's times where y- on stage where you're just all the sudden riffing a bit and you hit them with something and they start clapping и you're like, "Oh, goddamn, thank God I'm recording this."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh yeah, sometimes. Sometimes that's the best part of the bit and you're like, "What the fuck is going on?" Like, "How is that the best part of the bit?"
30. CDChad Daniels
  It feels, it's almost like you're playing chess in your head-
11:52 – 16:56
Audition misery vs stand-up autonomy (Rogan’s sitcom luck)
1. CDChad Daniels
  No, 'cause you feel like you're, you're good at playing the guitar, you have a great voice, you're good at making someone else's work. Like I used to audition for stuff. I am fucking toilet at auditioning.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
3. CDChad Daniels
  It's the truth. I go in there and it's somebody else's words and I'm just every, you can hear the people in front of you, they're getting huge laughs. I go in there, nothing.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. CDChad Daniels
  I don't, I don't know. I, I don't think I'd be a good singer of someone else's song. I think I'd have to write it.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I, um, never wanted to be an actor. I had zero acting...... w- no wishes, no dreams, no aspirations, zero. Uh, just wanted to be a comic. And then I got a development deal from doing MTV.
7. CDChad Daniels
  Okay.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  And then, uh, because of this development deal, I wound up being on a sitcom. So I went... And my point is, I did two auditions ever.
9. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  One was for a show called Hardball. I got that show, and that show got canceled. And then another one was for a show called News Radio, and I got that show.
11. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm, yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And those were the only two that I had ever done.
13. CDChad Daniels
  Ah, good for you.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It was the nuttiest thing of all time. People would get so mad at me. I'm like, "Look, I just stepped in shit. I got super lucky."
15. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, they were looking for a cocky baseball player for this show on Fox. And I went in, and they met me, and they're like, "Oh, this is the guy."
17. CDChad Daniels
  That's great.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And, and then I did this show where I played a, uh, uh, mentally-challenged conspiracy theorist-
19. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... (laughs) maintenance guy at a radio station. That was perfect too.
21. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs) Yeah, I was like, "I got these." They always sent me in for these auditions where it was like, I'd, I was 30-something years old, and it would be "22 good-looking."
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
23. CDChad Daniels
  And you're like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" I went in one time, and it was like, a Abercrombie & Fitch shoot.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, God.
25. CDChad Daniels
  And so I go in, and I'm looking around. Everyone's a foot taller than me, chiseled jawline. I'm like, "This..."
26. JRJoe Rogan
  That's just agents will throw anything at the wall.
27. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  I went in, and b- I l- I definitely did a bunch of auditions after those shows that I didn't wind up getting, like, for movies and stuff like that.
29. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  They're all so weird. You're in a room with someone, and then, you know, you have to improvise sometimes. They ask you to improvise. Like, look, this is ne-... One time, I, I went in for the reading, and the, the PA was this kid. It's not the kid's fault, you know, he's... But he's reading the script. He's terrible. And you're supposed to be reacting.
16:56 – 19:51
Boston/Minnesota toughness: weather, driving hazards, and resilience
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. The best place to do standup, because to develop there, like, you're, you are... that treadmill is going. You gotta hop on.
2. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  You gotta move, get moving. Everybody's moving. Nobody in the audience has any attention span. They don't wanna hear you dilly-dally-
4. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and pontificate up there. They want fucking jokes.
6. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs) Yeah, "Hammer me. I gotta go to work tomorrow."
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they're all tired.
8. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, I love doing comedy in Boston.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Blue collar, it's a great-
10. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a great... It's not even bl- necessarily blue collar, because there's a lot of, like, white-collar people that come to the shows too. It's just, like, work ethic. There's a... When you have to shovel your car outta snow every fucking year-
12. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you have work ethic.
14. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah. (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You can't get up at 8:00 to be at work at 9:00.
16. CDChad Daniels
  Uh-huh?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  No, you have to get up at 7:00, 'cause you got an hour of shoveling to do.
18. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, defrost the windshield.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you gotta do all that shit. You gotta start the car up, let it run, heat the inside to defrost the windshield, get the fucking scraper. "Ah, ah, ah."
20. CDChad Daniels
  Yes.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And then you're out there on a fucking skating rink. Your street's a skating rink.
22. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  So you have to drive five miles an hour-
24. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and you have to make sure that you hit the brakes before, way before the car in front of you, or you're gonna cause a pileup.
26. CDChad Daniels
  Ah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  I saw so many pileups, man.
28. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Whew, Goddamn.
30. CDChad Daniels
  I grew up in Minnesota. I lived in Minnesota my whole life.
19:51 – 33:17
Death rituals, funerals as an industry, and confronting mortality
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh. Have you ever seen a Tibetan sky funeral?
2. CDChad Daniels
  Uh-uh.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Bro. In Tibet, I don't know which religion, I don't know what, what they're practicing, but, um, they have this ritual called the Tibetan sky funeral. And instead of burying people, what they do is they chop them up and they feed them to vultures.
4. CDChad Daniels
  What the fuck?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, and there's graphic video of this online, 'cause it's, like, this big ritual. So, there's graphic video of these dudes with these, like, giant cutting boards and fucking cleavers hacking up people. And there's a swarm of vultures all around them.
6. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, god.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  So, they're hacking up body parts. And then these vultures are just devouring these human beings. And we think it's gross, right? But isn't it grosser that you waste the body?
8. CDChad Daniels
  Dump it? Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  What is this, Jamie?
10. NANarrator
  A video of ...
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it's a video of it. That guy looked a little too cute to be there. I was like, "What are you doing there, fella?" I thought it was a movie.
12. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs) No.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  So, look at these. Look at all these vultures.
14. CDChad Daniels
  Jesus. This is like when pelicans follow a fishing boat.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, they 100% know what's going on, 'cause they've been doing it all the time.
16. NANarrator
  This is a tourist attraction in some part of China.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Jesus Christ. Ugh.
18. CDChad Daniels
  I'm not doing this.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Tourist attraction.
20. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, there they go.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, so then they're gonna show you hacking the guy up.
22. CDChad Daniels
  Forget it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  But there's, uh, there's plenty of other videos that are more documentary style, that show, like, very graphic images of this, uh, this person just hacking apart this body.
24. CDChad Daniels
  How big? How big do they cut the pieces?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Just, like, chunks.
26. CDChad Daniels
  Okay.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And the vultures, they're all, you saw how they are. They're like piranha.
28. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  They're all just on it.
30. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
33:17 – 42:22
Robin Williams, Richard Jeni, and comedy’s dark underside
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, like you, imagine Robin Williams. Imagine watching Robin Williams on any-
2. CDChad Daniels
  Right.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you ever see that commercial where he's doing a commercial and he won't stop fucking around?
4. CDChad Daniels
  I don't think so.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And the, the director's trying to get him to stop fucking around-
6. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and he's like, "Will not stop fucking around."
8. CDChad Daniels
  I love that man.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) He's doing the different characters and shit. It's like, and he's like, "Okay, Robin, can we focus now?" And Robin's just fucking going off. (laughs)
10. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah. But-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  That guy you would never imagine could ever be sad, you know.
12. CDChad Daniels
  I was an extra in a movie with him, Billy Crystal, and Julie's, Louise Dreyfus. And I, and he, every, some, two people were sick. They went back to their trailers and I was interviewing him and he did it as Mrs. Doubtfire.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. CDChad Daniels
  And it was fucking awesome, man. Everybody was losing it.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Play it, Jamie. Let me see it.
16. NANarrator
  I said to him, I said, "Forget it." (laughs)
17. NANarrator
  Now now Howard, would you mind-
18. NANarrator
  Pardon me, I, I-
19. NANarrator
  ... looking straight into the camera?
20. CDChad Daniels
  It's already great, look his back is to the camera.
21. NANarrator
  You know what I don't know? Robin, just do the line so we, and we, and we can get out.
22. NANarrator
  I can't. Alors, everything, for me, this place is fabulous.
23. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
24. NANarrator
  I want to do the line for you.
25. NANarrator
  Robin, the line, the introduction. Just the one line that you've gotta do.
26. NANarrator
  Sure Howard.
27. NANarrator
  Okay, please?
28. NANarrator
  I will. Yes, sir.
29. NANarrator
  Okay.
30. NANarrator
  Foul ball, a male hygiene spray. You know, sometimes below the waterline you could reek. That's why I need new Foul Ball. Something with the part-bearer thing had it upside down.
42:22 – 50:18
Greatness windows: Mike Tyson’s prime, discipline, and hypnosis
1. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, my. Yeah. (laughs) I've, I've been late for a show twice in my life, and both times, it was from watching Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, wow. They will, they will drive you crazy. There was, there was a time, like, in, like, 1986 to, like, whatever it was when he lost to Buster Douglas, when, there's never been a heavyweight like him.I think he was the greatest of all time. I think he was the greatest of all time for a short period of time. But I think if y- you have to look at a fighter in particular, th- they can't keep it up forever. It's too crazy.
3. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  They only have a few years in this, like, high revolution, high rev, red line prime. And that's what I try to judge them on. There's ways... People judge fighters on longevity when you look at, like, Sugar Ray Robinson or... The best example of all time is Bernard Hopkins. Bernard Hopkins was, um, a world champion when he was 49 years old. Crazy, crazy.
5. CDChad Daniels
  That's my age. (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy, crazy. And fucking up guys that were 20 years younger than him with ease, you know?
7. CDChad Daniels
  That's wild.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, he was a, a master. Just a masterful boxer who had incredible discipline and never lost focus, and never got out of shape, and never ate bad food. He never ate processed anything.
9. CDChad Daniels
  Wow.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  He always ate, like, clean, organic food, drank water, no booze, fuck you. You know, up in the morning, always running, always calisthenics, always was shredded, never gained weight-
11. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in between fights. Even today, I had him on the podcast toda- um, like, a couple of months ago. How many months ago? Six months ago? Maybe a little longer.
13. NANarrator
  It sounds right.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Something like that. Even now, guy's like in his 50s, he's fucking shredded.
15. CDChad Daniels
  I don't have that anymore.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Ready to go. (laughs) You don't have to.
17. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah. (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  You're a comedian.
19. CDChad Daniels
  I'm just like, I- I need the processed food sometimes.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Sometimes you need a little comfort, you know?
21. CDChad Daniels
  What do you think it was about Tyson? Do you think it was his... I always equated it to his, uh, his legs and his coil.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  There was a lot of factors, a lot of factors. Um, first of all, there was his upbringing, right? So, he had a horrible, horrible upbringing.
23. CDChad Daniels
  Okay.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Just crime and violence in the worst neighborhood in Brooklyn. He lived in Bed-Stuy, right? So, Brownsville, I think originally, and Bed-Stuy. Terrible neighborhoods, real bad. You know, a lot of- a lot of crime, a lot of violence. And then at 13 years of age, he gets adopted by this guy, Cus D'Amato, who's one of the greatest boxing minds of all time, and he's also a hypnotist. So from age 13-
25. CDChad Daniels
  Oh.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... on, he's hypnotizing Mike and telling Mike he's the greatest of all time. He's the greatest of all time. He's gonna be the greatest heavyweight the world has ever seen. And then on top of it, you have crazy genetics. Mike... I had Terry-
27. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... Teddy Atlasan. He told me that Mi- when Mike was 13, he was knocking out grown men. And they wouldn't believe he was 13. He'd bring him to boxing tournaments. They were like, "How old's that kid?" He goes, "13." He goes, (smacks lips) "He's fucking 16." He goes, "Okay, he's 16." He- he put him in with the 16-year-olds, he'd knock-
29. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the 16-year-olds out. Yeah, he was a freak. So you have that sometimes, you know, you have kids that just have extraordinary genes. And then you have this perfect storm of a very intelligent person who was deeply neglected as a child and then adopted by a genius. Not just a boxing genius, but a genius in terms of psychology and life and philosophy, and he understood war. And, like, he- he was a war historian-
50:18 – 1:03:15
MMA strategy, injury horror, and the psychology of performance
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, some t- some fighters ... There's a thing that happens with some fighters in the midst of a chaotic fight, they will forget about the game plan and they will just go on instinct and start throwing down, and they wind up getting knocked out, or something goes bad. They, they, they panic. Like, n- I don't wanna say panic, but they don't think straight. That's the best way to say it, 'cause th- they're, they're still fighting, you know, it's chaos. But you're letting that lizard brain take over.
2. CDChad Daniels
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And you're not sticking to the game plan. Like, the really good fighters know how, even in these, like, chaotic scrambles, to keep things tactical. Don't do anything that's gonna get you caught. Like, there's very s- It looks nutty when you're watching it on television, but if you're watching a tactician like a Max Holloway or, you know, San Hagen or, you know, Sean O'Malley, like, these, these fighters are very tactical. Everything they're doing is to elicit a reaction from you, and then they have counters based on how you do things, and then they start downloading how you're moving and reacting to things, and then they'll start plotting and moving. Anderson Silva was the very best at that.
4. CDChad Daniels
  Jeez.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  He would take the first round and he would just be kinda, like, moving with you and moving with you, and then towards the end of the round he'd start fucking you up.
6. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  But for the f- (laughs) he was just downloading-
8. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Anderson in his prime, you know, I had never seen anything like him.
10. CDChad Daniels
  Do you think-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  He was at his prime, he was just downloading people's movements.
12. CDChad Daniels
  And do you think those other fighters could see it in his eyes and they were like, "Ah, fuck."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. CDChad Daniels
  "Now he knows."
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, when he was at the top, for sure. Everyone was terrified of him.
16. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, my God.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  The one thing that they didn't find out, though, he had a flaw. And the flaw was, if you didn't attack him, he didn't attack you. Like, he wasn't willing to take stupid chances, especially with, like, big punchers.
18. CDChad Daniels
  Sure.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, there was this guy Patrick Cote, and Patrick Cote was a big puncher. Like, one-punch KO guy. And they had the worst fight. It was a boring-ass fight. And then Patrick, unfortunately, threw a kick and blew out his knee. It was, like, the worst ending of a fight ever. Just, his knee exploded.
20. CDChad Daniels
  Just not getting hit? Just kind of twisted a bit?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, not getting hit at all. He just went to throw a kick and his knee was in a weird position, and it just blew apart.
22. CDChad Daniels
  Oh, God.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And he's like, "God!" Falls down. That's happened before. It happened to Tom Aspinall recently. Threw a kick, knee fell apart. Didn't even happ- Like, it wasn't happening, like, where someone did something to him. He just threw a kick and his knee fell apart.
24. CDChad Daniels
  I'd rather watch a guy get knocked unconscious than have that huge response-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
26. CDChad Daniels
  ... to a part of their body blowing up.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  The b- the knee's a bad one, but the worst is a shin break. That's the very, very worst. Or an arm break.
28. CDChad Daniels
  (sighs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  A forearm break or a shin break. Those are very hard to watch. Those are the hardest I've ever w- I've, I've seen four leg breaks in person, and they're-
30. CDChad Daniels
  Oh.
1:03:15 – 1:11:44
Pool, snooker, and why mastery requires obsessive reps
1. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah. Do you ever play snooker?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I... No, I have not played. I've seen people play it. I've fucked around on a snooker table. I've never played a game of snooker, but it's very difficult.
3. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  It's hard. A lot of snooker players are super successful in pool. No pool players. I mean, maybe Alex Pagulayan, who's... He can play everything. He's like a world champion in, like, every discipline. He's a world champion in eight-ball, nine-ball, ten-ball, bank-
5. CDChad Daniels
  Wow.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  He's like one of the greats of all times. One of the Filipinos, too, which for whatever reason, Filipinos are the best pool players on earth. Like, there's more, there's guys driving taxi cabs in Filipino, in, in the Philippines rather, that can win pool tournaments in, in America.
7. CDChad Daniels
  (laughs)
8. JRJoe Rogan
  They come over here, like, every... You, you can't even... You... Everywhere you go is pool tables. Like, it's like one of the most popular games-
9. CDChad Daniels
  Hmm.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in the entire co- in the whole island chain. It's huge over there. But, um, that guy's a wor- He's like an elite professional snooker player as well as an elite professional pool player, but he's super rare.
11. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  There's like John Moore. There's a couple other guys that can play, like, really good snooker.
13. CDChad Daniels
  We came up playing snooker at, like, northern Minnesota.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a tough game, man.
15. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah, you'd go in and these guys are just like... They take it so fucking seriously. If you lose them a dollar... I mean, these were old, old men. And if you lose them a dollar, forget it, you're out.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
17. CDChad Daniels
  I remember, one of the... They always used to say, uh, when he'd m- So a two ball was worth money. So you'd have to make a cherry, it's called, a red ball first.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
19. CDChad Daniels
  And then you had to make a number ball. And then he would always go, if he'd miss the two ball, he'd go, "They never do." Or he'd go, "Yeah, you bet," if he'd made it. And so we went to this guy's funeral and we had a buddy with me and he had a flask with him. And they were talking and he ra- stands up and raises the flask and he goes, "They never do." And then all his old buddies had flasks with them and they raise and they go, "Yeah, you bet."
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
21. CDChad Daniels
  It was the fucking greatest funeral I've ever been to.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  That's awesome. Well, I bet snooker pool, snooker halls... What would he call them? What are they called, snooker halls?
23. CDChad Daniels
  I-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  When people play snooker.
25. CDChad Daniels
  We just played at The Spot. I don't know. It was like, it was like a little restaurant that had tables in the back.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay. And they were all snooker tables?
27. CDChad Daniels
  We had two pool tables and then two snooker tables.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay.
29. CDChad Daniels
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause at, like, places where they just play snooker, do they call them a snooker hall?