Joe Rogan Experience #2178 - Sam Morril

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan 0:09 (instrumental music) Cheers.

Sam Morril 0:13 Cheers.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Cigarette? Take this serious.

Sam Morril 0:16 Awesome to be at the club last night.

Joe Rogan 0:17 (clears throat) Yeah, it was fun having you. Last night was fun. It was a good night.

Sam Morril 0:20 Really fun.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah, it's a fun place, man.

Sam Morril 0:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:23 A little Disneyland. (laughs)

Sam Morril 0:24 Yeah. It also is like a throwback. I'm like, I, I left Kill Tony on Monday, I was like, "I haven't had my shirt smell like cigarettes in a while."

Joe Rogan 0:31 Yeah, all those guys in the green room were smoking cigarettes. It's-

Sam Morril 0:33 I'd had one. I don't smoke.

Joe Rogan 0:34 (laughs) It's so fucking contagious.

Sam Morril 0:35 But I was like, I was like, I was like, "Fu- I'll have one, what the hell?"

Joe Rogan 0:37 What the hell? What the hell room.

Sam Morril 0:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:41 This is a... I mean, it's one of those things, like, you create something with, like, this intention, and you kind of hope that it'll work out good.

Sam Morril 0:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:50 But that place almost sort of made itself into what it is. It's like, it's got a energy to it. I think that it's also 'cause of that building. That building was made in 1927, and, and everybody's performed there. Willie Nelson performed there, Stevie Ray Vaughan. Like, you look in the wall, Black Flag, all the walls inside the green room, all those posters?

Sam Morril 1:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Those are all bands. Misfits, all bands that performed there.

Sam Morril 1:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:13 'Cause it was a rock club for a long time, and then it, it wo-

Sam Morril 1:16 The whole thing was like a... But it's a big venue, though.

Joe Rogan 1:19 I don't know if it was two different rooms. I think at one point in time it was just one room.

Sam Morril 1:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 And then I think with the Alamo Drafthouse they turned it into two rooms. Then it was a movie theater for, like, 10 years. And then, uh, when they went under, we had the two rooms, then we just adjusted everything and changed a lot of stuff and turned it into a comedy club.

Sam Morril 1:37 Yeah, it's cool as fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:39 But it's got a, that building's alive, man.

Sam Morril 1:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Like, you walk in the building, and you're like, "This fucking building's alive."

Sam Morril 1:45 It feels like everyone's a comedy fan too. When you walk in-

Joe Rogan 1:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:48 ... it's, it's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Yeah, you build it, they will come. It's like the Field of Dreams.

Sam Morril 1:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52 (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:52 Not for everybody. For you, for you it is, but not for everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:56 What do you mean?

Sam Morril 1:56 I mean, well, I mean, not, a lot of people are building comedy clubs, they don't come.

Joe Rogan 2:00 (clicks tongue) Yeah, but they don't do it that way.

Sam Morril 2:02 You did it right.

Joe Rogan 2:02 But we did it... I swear to God, I mean, it sounds stupid. I don't believe in fate necessarily. I don't not believe in fate, but I'm not, like, one of those people that's, like, preaching it. If I wanted to believe in fate though, I would believe in fate because of this. 'Cause it's like every, it's like, you ever drive and you just hit every green light for whatever reason?

Sam Morril 2:21 I can't drive.

Joe Rogan 2:22 You don't drive?

Sam Morril 2:23 I, I have a license, but I'm dog shit. It hurt me as a young comic, because Joe List would always shit on me, 'cause we did a road gig, like, I wanna say like almost 15 years ago together, where I got us the gig, it was co-headlining, but it was a casino run, and the thing was, like, you have to split the driving. It was, like, 30 hours of driving total, so he's like, "Can you split the driving with me?" I said, "Of course." And we got... I already fucked up, 'cause, like, we flew into the wrong city on the wrong day 'cause of me. I was such a fucking young idiot.

Joe Rogan 2:50 (laughs)

Sam Morril 2:51 So, so we flew into, like, Michigan, and were supposed to start in Wisconsin, and he was like, "You fu- so we're prorated?" I was like, "I fuck this, we're prorated." And then he was already mad at me, and then he's like, "All right, it's your turn to drive." And I started driving, and he was like, "What the fuck is happening? This is horrible."

Joe Rogan 3:04 (laughs)

Sam Morril 3:04 And, and he always quotes me as saying, like, "No, I'm not a bad driver, I just can't turn well." And he was like, "Yeah, that's a bad driver, you fucking idiot."

Joe Rogan 3:13 (laughs)

Sam Morril 3:13 So he tells this story about me all the time being, like, like a city... He calls me a city hick. That's like how he started calling me that. But I, yeah, I can't really... I have a license, I passed the test, but I'm, I'm dog shit.

Joe Rogan 3:22 It's not that hard though.

Sam Morril 3:24 I know I'm that bad. I don't know why I'm that bad at it. I-

Joe Rogan 3:26 That's so weird. You're so smart.

Sam Morril 3:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:29 I would imagine you-

Sam Morril 3:29 I'm not that sm-

Joe Rogan 3:30 But you're smart to talk to.

Sam Morril 3:31 Oh, thank you. I, I'm a bad driver.

Joe Rogan 3:33 You're good socially.

Sam Morril 3:34 Thank you, man. You too.

Joe Rogan 3:35 So I would imagine... Thank you.

Sam Morril 3:36 You're easy to talk to.

Joe Rogan 3:37 So I would imagine you'd fucking be able to negotiate the distances between vehicles and turn the wheel.

Sam Morril 3:42 I, I bullshit my way through a license. I did, I failed two tests in New York, they were in the Bronx, and then I got a driver who I made her laugh out of the gate, and I was like, "I'm in." Like, I knew-

Joe Rogan 3:51 Ugh.

Sam Morril 3:51 I just said, like, "I suck at this. I failed two, please don't fail me."

Joe Rogan 3:54 (laughs)

Sam Morril 3:54 And she laughed, and I was like, "I'm in. I'm gonna..." And I hit something, and she passed me.

Joe Rogan 3:58 Wow. What'd you hit?

Sam Morril 3:59 Not a ve- I don't remember, it was some, like, it was a cone or something. It was like-

Joe Rogan 4:03 Oh, okay, something minor.

Sam Morril 4:03 It, it was minor, yeah. It was a kid. It was nothing-

Joe Rogan 4:06 (laughs)

Sam Morril 4:06 ... not a big deal.

Joe Rogan 4:06 A drunk?

Sam Morril 4:07 (laughs) Yeah, a kid. But she was like, "You, you got, you got me to laugh."

Joe Rogan 4:10 Man, I can't imagine not being able to drive.

Sam Morril 4:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Because it's just like it's fr- driving is freedom.

Sam Morril 4:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:15 If you can't drive, and there's a car there, like, what the fuck?

Sam Morril 4:18 It's also freedom-

Joe Rogan 4:19 You're, you're stuck waiting on somebody.

Sam Morril 4:20 ... to have someone else drive you though.

Joe Rogan 4:22 If that still happens.

Sam Morril 4:23 That's true.

Joe Rogan 4:24 If everything goes sideways-

Sam Morril 4:25 Um-

Joe Rogan 4:25 ... and there's no more Uber-

Sam Morril 4:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 ... and no more Lyft-

Sam Morril 4:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 ... and you have to figure out how to work a stick shift.

Sam Morril 4:30 I'm in trouble.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah, you're in real trouble.

Sam Morril 4:32 Yeah, if there's a, if there's a civil war-

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah.

Sam Morril 4:34 ... it's gonna be hard to hail a cab.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Yeah. If there's a civil war, where you gonna go?

Sam Morril 4:39 I think I'm gonna cave pretty early.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Are you?

Sam Morril 4:41 No, I don't know. I don't know what I'll do.

Joe Rogan 4:43 Come here.

Sam Morril 4:44 Really?

Joe Rogan 4:44 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Sam Morril 4:45 I'm welcome here?

Joe Rogan 4:46 Yeah.

Sam Morril 4:47 All right.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Yeah, for sure. And if it goes sideways, you wanna be in Texas.

Sam Morril 4:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:54 'Cause this place is already ready to be its own country.

Sam Morril 4:56 But what, but why do you guys want me? What do I bring to the table?

Joe Rogan 4:58 You're funny.

Sam Morril 4:58 All right.

Joe Rogan 4:59 That's all we need.

Sam Morril 4:59 I'll take it.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Good guy.

Sam Morril 5:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:00 Good guy, funny. Good to hang with. That's all we need.

Sam Morril 5:03 I have one bad set, though. They're gonna, there's gonna be a talk later.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Nah, nah.

Sam Morril 5:05 "You gotta cut this guy."

Joe Rogan 5:06 Nah, we've seen too many good sets. I'm not buying it.

Sam Morril 5:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:09 One bad set, you just need a pep talk. That's like Theo Vaughn. (laughs)

Sam Morril 5:13 Does he? Oh, I did a gig with him once, and he was... We did a gig in, in Edmonton together, and he was so in his head, when I was like, "They, like, obsess with you. What are you worried about?" But, dude, we got-

Joe Rogan 5:23 He can get in his head, yeah.

Sam Morril 5:23 ... we had to cancel the fuck... This was crazy as hell. We're in Edmonton, and there was like a wildfires in Edmonton. And this is how different personalities we are. Like, I'm fucking in my, I'm like, "Oh, the show is gonna be canceled. We're not gonna be able to perform out here. This is, like, bad air quality." And he's like, "Nah, man, it's cool." And then within 10 minutes, the agents call and they were like, "The city's shut down, you can't..." And this is, like, right after COVID, so I'm like, "We can't perform indoors, we can't perform outdoors. Like, can we do fucking anything?" And, and they were like, "Will you stay an extra day?" And we're like, "Of course." And then we, we're like, "The air will be better, right?" And they're like, "It's, the next day, 10 times worse."

Joe Rogan 6:00 Wow.

Sam Morril 6:00 Like, you couldn't bre... It s- it smelled like, uh-... a casino.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Jesus.

Sam Morril 6:05 But, but outdoors.

Joe Rogan 6:06 Were you in New York when they had that orange smoke in the air?

Sam Morril 6:09 I was, I felt so... Whenever something bad happens in New York and I'm not there, I feel like a traitor.

Joe Rogan 6:14 (laughs)

Sam Morril 6:14 'Cause I'm such a city hick. But, uh, no, I was on, I was like... I think the second time I did my own tour bus. So I was, like, really pumped to be on the road. And I saw that, I was like, "I'm a piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 6:23 That's Canadian smoke too.

Sam Morril 6:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:24 That was Canadian smoke. That was weird. The orange thing was weird.

Sam Morril 6:27 It's cra- it's like end of the w- there's a lot of end of the world shit happening lately.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, a lot. The orange thing was weird too because there was this great conspiracy because there was some missing chemicals. There was apparently missing chemicals, like serious amounts.

Sam Morril 6:41 Does it always have to be like a comic book?

Joe Rogan 6:43 Yeah.

Sam Morril 6:43 You know? It's always so fucking creepy.

Joe Rogan 6:46 I know. Well, the whole world is, like, basically some bizarre movie now.

Sam Morril 6:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 6:49 The Trump thing, the shooter, the all the stuff that's coming out about the shooter now-

Sam Morril 6:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:53 ... the more you read about it, the more you're like, "What is going on?"

Sam Morril 6:57 Yeah. It's like a BlackRock thing too, right?

Joe Rogan 6:58 Yeah.

Sam Morril 6:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:59 He did a BlackRock commercial. They knew that there was a suspicious person 10 minutes before Trump went on stage. They still wouldn't let him go on stage. They saw him on the fucking roof and they didn't engage.

Sam Morril 7:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 They saw him on the roof with a rifle, but they didn't engage.

Sam Morril 7:12 It's the bad Secret Service right there.

Joe Rogan 7:14 They wouldn't put Secret Service agents on the roof 'cause they said there was a slope to the roof.

Sam Morril 7:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:19 And it would be dangerous.

Sam Morril 7:20 It's more dangerous if the president, next president gets shot.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Bro.

Sam Morril 7:24 Which he did.

Joe Rogan 7:24 They let him get off. The kid got off three shots. And apparently, the, there was one that we saw that hit his ear and you see the bullet, like, the photographer got a bullet-

Sam Morril 7:33 I saw that.

Joe Rogan 7:34 ... flying by his head.

Sam Morril 7:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:35 But apparently, there's another one of a bullet going by his left side of his head. So it went by the right side of his head, hit his ear, and went by the left side of his head as well. 'Cause the guy got off three shots.

Sam Morril 7:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:45 And he just missed Trump every time.

Sam Morril 7:47 And there's a, there was the one shot of him, like, turning his head, and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 7:49 Yeah.

Sam Morril 7:49 ... "Are you fucking kidding me? It was that close?"

Joe Rogan 7:51 Dude, it's so crazy.

Sam Morril 7:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:53 It's so crazy. And the fact that they had such poor security guarding him, like they did such a terrible job.

Sam Morril 8:01 My uncle's convinced-

Joe Rogan 8:02 They knew the guy was there.

Sam Morril 8:02 ... it's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Du-

Sam Morril 8:02 My uncle's like, "There's no way this is real."

Joe Rogan 8:04 I don't think it's not real, but... Look, here's the deal. Okay, I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I just wanna be real clear.

Sam Morril 8:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:11 But they have organized assassinations before.

Sam Morril 8:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 8:16 And when they organize-

Sam Morril 8:17 Usually starts a war.

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... assassinations, it looks just like that. And when they organize assassinations, one of the things they like to do is have some fucking loser kill the president, and then they kill the fucking loser, and (snaps fingers) that's a wrap.

Sam Morril 8:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Just k- kinda, like, stops all the leads.

Sam Morril 8:32 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Everything's like, "Where does he go?" So they have his phone. They say they can't get into his phone. Bitch, I know you read my text messages.

Sam Morril 8:41 (laughs) Yeah, why the fuck is it taking so long-

Joe Rogan 8:43 So how could you not get in that kid's phone?

Sam Morril 8:44 ... to break into this shit? It's always shady, right? They always die instantly. Like Kennedy assassination too, like, a nightclub owner kills-

Joe Rogan 8:50 Yeah.

Sam Morril 8:50 ... Lee Harvey Oswald?

Joe Rogan 8:52 Yeah.

Sam Morril 8:52 I'm supposed to believe there's a nightclub owner with a heart of gold out there?

Joe Rogan 8:54 Runs right up and shoots him in front of cops.

Sam Morril 8:57 Yeah. What is this, the end of Shaft?

Joe Rogan 8:59 Dude. (laughs)

Sam Morril 9:00 What the fuck is going on? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:02 The end of Shaft.

Sam Morril 9:02 No, it's like... It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 9:04 Superfly, that was the end of Superfly.

Sam Morril 9:05 The new Shaft ended like that too.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Oh. The end of Superfly.

Sam Morril 9:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:08 He t- he tells them something stupid like that. Uh.

Sam Morril 9:12 It's cinematic as fuck. It all feels like a movie.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah, it seems like a bad movie from the '70s.

Sam Morril 9:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:17 It's weird.

Sam Morril 9:17 That's how every '70s movie ended, by the way. A guy just gets shot in the face.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Right, there's a lot of that.

Sam Morril 9:22 Every movie, you're just like, it's like a guy gets shot in the face, and then the credits, and you're like, "I guess this is..."

Joe Rogan 9:27 Psh, psh, psh.

Sam Morril 9:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:29 The guy on the roof is just bananas.

Sam Morril 9:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:32 That roof was 150 yards away. And if you're a good shot with a rifle, hitting a human being at 150 yards is quite easy. I don't know if his rifle had a scope. I'm assuming it had a scope.

Sam Morril 9:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Someone said he was using iron sights. Can you find out?

Sam Morril 9:46 Yeah. But, but he, but he wasn't, like, set up in advance. He just went up there, right?

Joe Rogan 9:49 (laughs)

Sam Morril 9:49 I mean, that's, that's how they d-

Joe Rogan 9:50 He had a range finder.

Sam Morril 9:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:53 Okay? So the kid was walking around the, the whole perimeter of the area with a range finder, which is... Instantaneously, if you're Secret Service, you see someone with a range finder walking 150 yards from where the president is, you tackle that fucking guy. You don't let that guy get on a ladder.

Sam Morril 10:12 Yeah, this is your Super Bowl. What the fuck are you doing, man?

Joe Rogan 10:14 He brought a ladder.

Sam Morril 10:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:16 The guy didn't just bring a rifle.

Sam Morril 10:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:17 He got through there-

Sam Morril 10:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 ... with a rifle and a ladder. I don't know what kind of rifle it is. I don't know if it's the kind of rifle where you could disassemble and reassemble, like an assassin, like screw it together.

Sam Morril 10:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:28 But w- whatever it is, all of it stinks.

Sam Morril 10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Every part of it stinks.

Sam Morril 10:32 And every person who talks about him, it's like the classic incel, like never spoke, never... This is, this, this was an old bit of mine. I was like, that should be the, the re- that should be, if you want a gun, you have to be a good conversationalist.

Joe Rogan 10:44 (laughs)

Sam Morril 10:45 You better be chatty. Because that's like every person who does these shootings things or, or assassinations, it's like they're the quiet, creepy fucking dude.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Yeah. It's very strange. The whole thing's very strange. There was also-

Sam Morril 10:56 You've y-

Joe Rogan 10:56 ... photos of him that, where he w- he had long hair and wearing lipstick and looked like a girl.

Sam Morril 11:01 I think that was bullshit, though.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Yeah.

Sam Morril 11:02 I think that was fake.

Joe Rogan 11:02 That's bullshit too. But that's-

Sam Morril 11:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:03 That's a problem. Like, everything's bullshit now.

Sam Morril 11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 The commercials, the BlackRock commercial.

Sam Morril 11:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:08 And then there's some videos of him in high school talking about having a 10-inch penis. He looks like he's just having fun with his boys.

Sam Morril 11:14 That, there's a video of him saying he has a 10-inch penis?

Joe Rogan 11:16 Yeah, yeah. But it's like, he's joking around, you know?

Sam Morril 11:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Like, uh, "I have a 10-inch penis." You know, like that kind of thing.

Sam Morril 11:23 Weird dude.

Joe Rogan 11:23 I mean, just a weird kid.

Sam Morril 11:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:25 But how did he get in the BlackRock commercial? Um, what happened after that?

Sam Morril 11:30 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:30 I mean, if I was the CIA, let's just, let's not even say CIA. Let's say if I was some shadowy intelligence agency that did these, you know, undercover operations that are a little sketchy. I'd like find kids like that. That's, that's your moneymaker. That's how-

Sam Morril 11:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:48 ... you do it. If you got a plan, you wanna do something, you get some guy that's basically got nothing going on in life. And then, you know, you mentor him, become friends with him. Maybe that guy's dad is a alcoholic who beats him, you know? Maybe his mom is a, a fucking junkie. Who knows?

Sam Morril 12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:03 Maybe he's like, his life is terrible, and you can provide mentorship, and you can provide, you know, just camaraderie. Something, something like, "Wow, I mean, I wish I was a secret agent." You know? And then you tell this guy, you tell this kid, "Hey.... um, you know, you could help America.

Sam Morril 12:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:20 You know, we can work you into the program, you could be one of us.

Sam Morril 12:22 So, now you are saying conspiracy.

Joe Rogan 12:24 I'm, um ... Listen-

Sam Morril 12:25 You're entertaining it.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Conspiracies are real.

Sam Morril 12:27 Sure.

Joe Rogan 12:27 They're real. I mean, whatever the fuck happened in Dallas, Texas in 1963, it's not what they tell you.

Sam Morril 12:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:35 That's one thing, 100%-

Sam Morril 12:36 Of course.

Joe Rogan 12:36 ... you're gonna be sure. That is, there is no objective journalism with no slant, not leaving anything out. Whatever happened with Lee Harvey Oswald and the- the motorcade.

Sam Morril 12:46 And Kennedy and having some beef with the CIA, and some weird shit over maybe Bay of Pigs or something, right? Like, they immediately-

Joe Rogan 12:53 How about Allen Dulles, who he fires-

Sam Morril 12:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:56 He fires, and then he gets assassinated, and Allen Dulles is running the Warren Commission? He's a part of the Warren Commission?

Sam Morril 13:03 It's- it's shady. So much Kennedy shit over the years is so shady.

Joe Rogan 13:08 The shadiest.

Sam Morril 13:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:10 The shadiest. That- the- he's the biggest indicator, the biggest piece of evidence that someone from somewhere organized together to kill that guy.

Sam Morril 13:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 It wasn't just Lee Harvey Oswald. Although I'm of the opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald was also a part of it.

Sam Morril 13:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:25 'Cause everybody wants it to be binary, right? They want it to be one or zero, yes or no. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, or he was just a patsy. But that guy clearly was also doing something with intelligence agencies, 'cause he was able to go back and forth to Russia. He learned Russian, he married a Russian woman.

Sam Morril 13:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Came back to America, and then-

Sam Morril 13:46 He was also living very well when he was over there.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 13:49 He was spending money that, like, you're not making this on whatever per diem horseshit you're making over there.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Exactly.

Sam Morril 13:55 Like, he was, like, going to nightclubs and shit.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Yeah. Yeah. The whole story sucks.

Sam Morril 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:01 The whole story seems like he was some sort of undercover operative.

Sam Morril 14:03 Like he was getting paid out.

Joe Rogan 14:05 Yeah. And then I think that's how they do it. They make you think you're a part of something, and then they pin the whole thing on you. And then, you know, I think there's probably multiple shooters. I think there's probably mult- uh, the grassy knoll thing seems super legitimate. Also, have you ever looked into how many people who were witnesses that wound up dying in mysterious manners?

Sam Morril 14:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Fucking crazy.

Sam Morril 14:25 That's- it is, like, we make fun of Russia for that shit, but-

Joe Rogan 14:28 Listen, we do it too.

Sam Morril 14:30 Of course.

Joe Rogan 14:30 We're just a better country, and we're cooler.

Sam Morril 14:32 For sure.

Joe Rogan 14:33 I'm pro-America.

Sam Morril 14:33 Oh, I'm-

Joe Rogan 14:34 Let's get real.

Sam Morril 14:34 Let's be- yeah, come on.

Joe Rogan 14:35 America all day.

Sam Morril 14:36 All day.

Joe Rogan 14:36 But-

Sam Morril 14:36 But, like, if you read ... I was reading a Putin book, and literally every chapter just ends with a guy- like, the light going out in his hallway and getting shot in the face.

Joe Rogan 14:44 (laughs)

Sam Morril 14:44 And I'm like, "This seems like a pretty fucked up rise to power." You know?

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yeah. Oh, Putin had the most fucked up rise to power.

Sam Morril 14:51 That woman who just wrote the book on him, Masha what's-her-name, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:55 Did she wind up missing?

Sam Morril 14:56 She's, I think, either on trial or going to prison for saying something anti-military in Russia, which I'm like, "Whoops."

Joe Rogan 15:02 All right.

Sam Morril 15:02 May- you know what? Know your audience.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah.

Sam Morril 15:04 Maybe don't say that (laughs) in Russia.

Joe Rogan 15:06 She wrote a book on Putin?

Sam Morril 15:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 What a gangster she is.

Sam Morril 15:08 It's- it's pretty badass.

Joe Rogan 15:09 That's a crazy move, man-

Sam Morril 15:11 It's-

Joe Rogan 15:11 ... to know they're gonna come get you, and you write that book anyway?

Sam Morril 15:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:13 Woo.

Sam Morril 15:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:15 That guy might be the richest man alive, you know?

Sam Morril 15:17 He's really rich.

Joe Rogan 15:18 They don't know how rich he is.

Sam Morril 15:18 His- his place is crazy. I always hear that- there are always rumors that he's not doing well, and then nothing, but-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Well-

Sam Morril 15:24 There's always stomach problems. Didn't he have, like, a stomach cancer?

Joe Rogan 15:27 Th- that's all rumors, right?

Sam Morril 15:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:28 But also, how much access to medicine does that guy have, you know? I mean, if there's a way to cure something, that guy, they're gonna get it to him.

Sam Morril 15:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 And you have to think that Russia is not captured by the pharmaceutical industrial complex, so he probably has access to all of the off-book medicines that the FDA won't approve, and they'll try all this stuff that's, like-

Sam Morril 15:48 The good shit.

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... experiment ... Yeah. Shit that probably works right now.

Sam Morril 15:51 Yeah. It's like when Kobe used to go to, like, Germany for knee operations, 'cause he's like, "They won't do this to me in America."

Joe Rogan 15:57 He would go there for Regenexant.

Sam Morril 15:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Regenexant. I've had Regenexant done.

Sam Morril 16:00 What does that do?

Joe Rogan 16:01 Regenexant, it's like a very advanced form of platelet rich plasma.

Sam Morril 16:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:06 And, uh, I had a bulging disc in my neck, and they, uh- the pff- one doctor was like con- trying to convince me that I need to get surgery. He's like, "We gotta trim that disc."

Sam Morril 16:15 You ta- you scolded me for doing this.

Joe Rogan 16:18 Yeah.

Sam Morril 16:18 I did something like that.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah, well, I almost did it, and I know too many people who have done it. That's why I was like-

Sam Morril 16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:22 ... "Don't do it." You can't do it. Don't-

Sam Morril 16:24 But you helped me a lot, by the way.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Good.

Sam Morril 16:26 I don't know if I ever- I think I told you this.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Yeah. How's your neck now?

Sam Morril 16:29 I'm good, dude.

Joe Rogan 16:29 It's much better?

Sam Morril 16:29 I'm fucking awesome right now.

Joe Rogan 16:30 That's great to hear.

Sam Morril 16:31 I started- I s- I- I saw another clip of you recently where you were talking about, like, uh, getting older, like how you have to just, like, lift weights for your health.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Yeah.

Sam Morril 16:39 I- I was like, "All right." I got a trainer for my dad. I'm like, "You guys are getting older. Uh, lift weights."

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yeah.

Sam Morril 16:46 Uh, I- I didn't do it, dude. I would just play basketball. I was like, "I'll just hoop." And then- and then I started to have fucked up neck problems and stuff.

Joe Rogan 16:52 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 16:52 And you- and you gave me that neck thing, the- forgot what it's called.

Joe Rogan 16:55 The iron neck.

Sam Morril 16:55 Iron neck.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Yeah.

Sam Morril 16:56 And- but then I just started, like, lifting shoulders. I have such bad shoulders, man, so I just ... You're holding your neck up, you gotta- you gotta-

Joe Rogan 17:01 Mm-hmm. Yeah, if you don't do anything, there's no muscle there.

Sam Morril 17:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Your- your muscle only exists if you have a reason for it. If you stop u- like, if you get a cast, if you break your arm, your m- arm just shrinks, like, wah.

Sam Morril 17:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:13 Because you're not using it.

Sam Morril 17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Your body only uses muscles ... Like, it only has muscles where you use them. And if you stop using them for a long period of time, they just fucking shrink.

Sam Morril 17:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:25 It's a weird thing. Like, your body- like, if you have to be bedridden for two weeks, when you get up, you're, uh, weak as fuck.

Sam Morril 17:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:32 Your body's like, grrr. It's just- it doesn't maintain itself.

Sam Morril 17:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Except-

Sam Morril 17:35 Except the dick. The dick is up every morning.

Joe Rogan 17:36 But it seems fine.

Sam Morril 17:37 The dick's rocking, dude.

Joe Rogan 17:38 But if you get older, it's more extreme, because now your body's producing less testosterone, less human growth hormone. You're not getting as much sleep. You're not repairing in your sleep. And if you have bad diet on top of that, then it's all compounding over the years and getting worse and worse and worse. Your body's not- doesn't have the nutrients to repair itself. And, you know, with all this atrophy, then you start getting people that bend over to pick up a package and blow their back out.

Sam Morril 18:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:01 And like, how did you blow your back out from just bending over to tie your shoes?

Sam Morril 18:05 That's the thing, too. Practical strength. Like, if you're, like, lifting for, like- if you're doing, like, deadlifts, you're like, "All right, that's like picking up a box."

Joe Rogan 18:11 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Sam Morril 18:11 This makes sense, as opposed to people that are just trying to look g- like, I don't give a fuck about that.

Joe Rogan 18:15 Yeah.

Sam Morril 18:15 I just wanna not pull shit.

Joe Rogan 18:16 Yeah, you just wanna not be old.

Sam Morril 18:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:18 And, you know, you could do a lot of stuff with just, like, chin-ups and push-ups and body weight squats and Hindu squats, and- and, you know, there's a bunch of different things that you could do that are just-... j- but the most important thing is you gotta do something, and it's not just walk around. And really, even cardio's not enough, 'cause cardio doesn't... it, you don't strain the muscles to make them strong. You need to do that.

Sam Morril 18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:39 You need... it, it's... it, it's a requirement for people. Just like brushing your teeth keeps you from getting cavities. It's the same thing.

Sam Morril 18:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:46 You just have to think about it that way, and most people don't. But also think about it, it's like a compounded benefit, 'cause you get the benefit of that, but then you also get the mental benefits. Like, if I'm not feeling good, if I'm, like, a little out of it in my own head, a good solid workout, I get out of there, I'm like, "Fff... I'm... everything's fine."

Sam Morril 19:03 Dude, I did it this morning. I was like, I didn't wanna do it. I was hungover. I didn't wanna fucking-

Joe Rogan 19:07 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 19:07 ... do it. But I just... Light. Just go light.

Joe Rogan 19:09 And then you get out of there and you're like, "Ah."

Sam Morril 19:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:12 You feel so much better.

Sam Morril 19:13 Way better.

Joe Rogan 19:13 That's my message to the world. Please, fucking do something. I think we're designed for it, and I think that's what th-... that's what kept us alive for hundreds of thousands of years before we had agriculture, and we organized cities, and we developed the stockpiles of food where you didn't have to work as hard, and then everything just shriveled away. I think everybody had to do physical things. And you-

Sam Morril 19:33 Especially cities like this-

Joe Rogan 19:35 Bodies design.

Sam Morril 19:35 ... where you can just get in a car and just not walk.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yeah.

Sam Morril 19:37 Like, at least in New York I do find myself, like... I walk most places.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 19:40 So I'm like, I'm doing something.

Joe Rogan 19:41 Yeah.

Sam Morril 19:41 But it's not en-... not enough, but it's something.

Joe Rogan 19:44 It's better than nothing.

Sam Morril 19:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:45 But it's definitely not enough.

Sam Morril 19:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:47 No. You gotta lift a little bit of weights.

Sam Morril 19:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:49 And, you know, people... the problem is, people have, like, lifting weights in their head, a lot of people, especially, like, very smart people that have had bad experiences with jocks, you know?

Sam Morril 19:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:59 In, in their head-

Sam Morril 20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 ... lifting weights is like some douchey vanity thing, where a bunch of bros are bumping chests and... You can't think about it that way. Just 'cause dumb people do a thing doesn't mean the thing is dumb.

Sam Morril 20:11 No, it's actually smart.

Joe Rogan 20:12 The thing is actually very smart.

Sam Morril 20:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 But int- intellectuals, a lot of, like, very intelligent people don't exercise.

Sam Morril 20:17 Yeah, Bill Gates does not look good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:19 I don't know if you'd call him an intellectual.

Sam Morril 20:20 You know what I mean, like a guy-

Joe Rogan 20:21 Yeah.

Sam Morril 20:21 ... who has a lot of-

Joe Rogan 20:22 Sure.

Sam Morril 20:23 ... a lot of, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:23 A lot of resources.

Sam Morril 20:24 ... a lot of resources.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Yeah, but then Jeff Bezos does look good.

Sam Morril 20:27 He looks very good.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Yeah, he looks like he's jacked now.

Sam Morril 20:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:29 And Mark Zuckerberg looks great. You know, it's just, it's just a thing that people usually concentrate on one aspect or another. If they're, like, really into physical fitness and really into athletic shit, and training and sports, generally they're not as well-read on, like-

Sam Morril 20:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:46 ... international politics and environmental issues. And, like... It's, you know, it's one, or either you're, like, socially conscious, really kind of aware of the world, understand exactly what's going on in Gaza, or, you know, you know how much creatine you should take every day.

Sam Morril 20:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:59 You know which branched chain amino acids are gonna produce the best results, and-

Sam Morril 21:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:03 ... you know what peptides are the best for healing. It's like we put things into two different boxes, either you're, like, really into your body or you're really into your brain, but I say you gotta be into both, 'cause if you're not really into your body, your brain is not gonna work as good. You're not gonna have as much energy.

Sam Morril 21:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Especially as you get older.

Sam Morril 21:20 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Yeah. It's real.

Sam Morril 21:22 It's, uh... It's... The hangovers get worse.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Oh, they do.

Sam Morril 21:25 It's fucking... I didn't-

Joe Rogan 21:26 Did you have d- did you get-

Sam Morril 21:26 ... have that much last night.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Oh, yeah. You... I know. I had, like, uh, maybe two drinks.

Sam Morril 21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Two good-sized drinks on Tuesday-

Sam Morril 21:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:34 ... and then Mo-... Uh, Wednesday morning, I woke up, I was like, "Oh, I feel like shit," for two drinks.

Sam Morril 21:39 I know.

Joe Rogan 21:39 They were stout. It's probably really, like, legit four drinks. (laughs)

Sam Morril 21:43 (laughs) When you're pouring them-

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah.

Sam Morril 21:44 ... it doesn't count. I, but I do that too. It's like a p-... That's what we do at the Comedy Cellar, and you guys do it here too, I saw.

Joe Rogan 21:48 Yeah.

Sam Morril 21:48 I was like, "The pint gli-"... Liz, who manages the Comedy Cellar, will drink martinis out of a pint glass.

Joe Rogan 21:53 (laughs)

Sam Morril 21:53 And I'm like, "Yeah, that's f-... That's not a, a drink."

Joe Rogan 21:56 That's not a drink.

Sam Morril 21:56 That's like eight drinks.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Yeah, it's multiple drinks, but good drinks.

Sam Morril 22:00 But martinis are... Yeah, let's do a drink.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Jimmy, bring over that fucking, um, that Buffalo Trace, sir.

Sam Morril 22:04 Let's drink.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Yeah, um, having a bar is interesting.

Sam Morril 22:09 Yeah. In what way? Just that it's too much access?

Joe Rogan 22:12 S-... I just go there and I see all these, all these people just drinking. It's like, this is... "I have a bar." Like, "What the fuck happened?" (laughs)

Sam Morril 22:19 I know.

Joe Rogan 22:19 "I have a bar."

Sam Morril 22:20 It's a cool bar.

Joe Rogan 22:20 It's a great bar.

Sam Morril 22:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:21 Lovely people working there too, and it's just such a great hang, especially 'cause, you know, we... generally we're there mostly just with comics and waitstaff. Thank you, sir.

Sam Morril 22:29 And you gotta do that thing you were talking about yesterday, about the, you know...

Joe Rogan 22:32 Where's your glass?

Sam Morril 22:33 Oh, here we go.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Let's go.

Sam Morril 22:34 Thanks, dude. Yeah, well, cheers to the fucking club being awesome, man.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Cheers to you, brother. Thanks for being here.

Sam Morril 22:42 Thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 22:43 My pleasure. Hmm. Yeah, having a bar is fun.

Sam Morril 22:47 It's really nice.

Joe Rogan 22:48 It's nice. It's a good place to hang.

Sam Morril 22:50 I... You, what you don't have here is something I love about... And look, I'm a New Yorker till I die, I'll never move, but what I love about leaving a bar in the winter and just, like, the cold air hitting your face-

Joe Rogan 23:00 Yeah.

Sam Morril 23:00 ... when you're shitfaced. I'm like, "Oh," that's just like... It's like almost like getting slapped by the fucking earth.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah.

Sam Morril 23:06 I love it. And, uh, there's a few, like, bars in the... where you just, like, you leave a dive and you just feel like, "Fuck," I feel like a...

Joe Rogan 23:13 It gets cold here in the winter-

Sam Morril 23:14 Does it?

Joe Rogan 23:15 ... surprisingly. Yeah. It gets, yeah. The... We've had-

Sam Morril 23:18 How cold?

Joe Rogan 23:18 ... since I've... Well, it snows.

Sam Morril 23:19 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:19 It snows every now and then. Yeah. It snowed real bad one year, like the first year we moved here, and they closed everything down. It was hilarious. Nobody knew how to drive.

Sam Morril 23:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:27 And they don't have any plows, so they don't just do anything. They just, like, wait till it gets warm.

Sam Morril 23:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:31 I'm like, "This is the dumbest approach to snow management ever."

Sam Morril 23:34 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Yeah. So nobody knew how to drive and you would see people in, like, Corvettes going sideways through intersections, with just everyone sliding around.

Sam Morril 23:42 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah. So every year, it gets, uh, below 30. It gets in the 20s sometimes. Yeah.

Sam Morril 23:48 I'm trying to find... This is a Jewish shit I'm gonna do. I might pop an antacid with this, 'cause I've been drinking coffee all morning.

Joe Rogan 23:54 It... (laughs) Does that help you?

Sam Morril 23:55 Yeah. Ulcers and shit.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Oh, you have ulcers?

Sam Morril 23:58 Ugh, dude.

Joe Rogan 23:59 I just read something about that, that they think ulcers have to do with some sort of stomach, um, bacteria now.

Sam Morril 24:04 Yeah. Well, you should just health, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 So they, they used to think that it was, like, the lining of your stomach was getting eroded by stress, and now they think it has something to do-

Sam Morril 24:13 I think stress h- hurts it.

Joe Rogan 24:14 Oh, it has to.

Sam Morril 24:14 I hate to sound like a Jewish stereotype.

Joe Rogan 24:16 I think stress hurts everything.

Sam Morril 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 I think stress hurts your immune system. It hurts when you s-... the way you sleep, which fucks everything up too. It exacerbates everything.

Sam Morril 24:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:25 It just makes sense that things come up with stress. But I think they have some new theory about the creation of ulcers that, that's different. I think it has to do with microbiome.

Sam Morril 24:34 Yeah. I had to get put under, and they were like, they did the, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:37 Whoa.

Sam Morril 24:37 ... whatever, the x-ray thing. And they're like, "That's a fucking ulcer. That's a big ulcer." And I was like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 24:41 Damn.

Sam Morril 24:41 But-

Joe Rogan 24:42 So, what do they tell you to do, like eat-wise?

Sam Morril 24:44 (sighs) Just didn't do, uh... God, it, it sucks. They're like, everything's bad, basically. You're like, can't... Like, I'm like, "Well, how about coffee?" They're like, "Yeah, you can't have coffee." I'm like, "Well, how about alco..." I, it's also, I have a drinking pod with Norman, so I'm like, "Well, I have to work. I have to go do my thing."

Joe Rogan 24:58 (laughs)

Sam Morril 24:58 And they're, I'm like, and they're like, "What do you mean work?" I'm like, "Well, I drink on my podcast." And they're just like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 25:03 (laughs)

Sam Morril 25:03 They're just like, "What are you, a fucking idiot?" And I was like, "Yeah, no. I just... Can I have one?" They're like, "Drink clear liquor."

Joe Rogan 25:08 (laughs)

Sam Morril 25:08 Like, they're, they're like... I'm bargaining with them that I can still drink.

Joe Rogan 25:11 That's hilarious.

Sam Morril 25:11 And then, um, so then we did that. And, uh, but then, yeah, they're like, "No acidic foods. No spicy foods." I'm like, "This is, like, all my favorite shit." Like, acidic food is the best food. And, uh, yeah, so I just had to chill for, like, two months with that. Y- I was boring as fuck on the road. My friend, Gary Vayner tours with me, and he's so annoyed, 'cause he wants every meal to be, like, a, a fucking home run on the road. And I'm like, "You can... I'll get whatever you want, but I can't..." He wants to, like, share stuff, so we can try more things.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Oh, right.

Sam Morril 25:40 So, he's just getting annoyed that I'm getting, like, plain-ass food for two months, but-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Oatmeal and chicken breast.

Sam Morril 25:45 That's everything I was eating.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Really?

Sam Morril 25:46 But you feel pretty... You feel weirdly kinda good, aside from this, like, stinging in your stomach.

Joe Rogan 25:51 So, has it gotten worse?

Sam Morril 25:51 You've never had one?

Joe Rogan 25:52 No, no, no. Never had one.

Sam Morril 25:54 Damn.

Joe Rogan 25:54 Yeah, I don't get ulcers.

Sam Morril 25:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:01 (laughs)

Sam Morril 26:01 It's such a weird thing. And, and it sucks, 'cause all my friends who have had them are just, like, pieces of shit.

Joe Rogan 26:06 Oh, really?

Sam Morril 26:07 Yeah. My friends, like, "I've had them." I'm like, "Yeah, you're like a fucking drug addict."

Joe Rogan 26:09 Yeah.

Sam Morril 26:09 This sucks, that this is who I'm comparing myself to, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:12 When'd you start getting them?

Sam Morril 26:14 I got one years ago on the road in Montreal, and I went to a doctor, and he was just, like, very French and matter-of-fact. Like, "No, no. No, uh, no alcohol for 11 days." And I was like, "11 day..." I was like, how the hell... I was a young comic. It was...

Joe Rogan 26:29 What does it say? Once commonly thought that stress, smoking, and diet were the principle causes of stomach ulcers. However, the Helicobacter pylor-

Sam Morril 26:38 H. pylori.

Joe Rogan 26:39 Pylori, pylori-

Sam Morril 26:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:40 ... uh, bacterium, uh, is now known to be responsible for the most... How do you, how do you say that way? Duodenal, duodenal ulcers and 60% of stomach ulcers. The H. pylori bacterium also prompts many symptoms of indigestion. Treatment for stomach ulcers includes the use of antibiotics to kill the infection and acid-suppressing drugs.

Sam Morril 27:01 Yeah, I take a Pepcid a lot.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Hmm.

Sam Morril 27:04 Also, people that eat a lot of, like-

Joe Rogan 27:05 Antibiotics. That's interesting, because antibiotics kill all the good bacteria too.

Sam Morril 27:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:10 So, that probably compounds the problem.

Sam Morril 27:11 Yeah, I'm probably on borrowed time here.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Antibiotics are tricky. My friend, Gordon, Gordon Ryan, he's, like, uh, the greatest jujitsu athlete of all time. He had staph so many times that he was basically on antibiotics for a whole year, and it ruined his stomach. Like, his stomach is fucked. Like-

Sam Morril 27:28 Wh- in what way?

Joe Rogan 27:28 He has the craziest stomach issues, like some buildup of, like, fungus in there.

Sam Morril 27:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:34 And he, he's always ready to throw up. He has a hard time take, put, putting down food. Like, he has the craziest stomach.

Sam Morril 27:39 (laughs) I should be laughing at this, but it's-

Joe Rogan 27:40 It's crazy.

Sam Morril 27:41 ... it just sucks.

Joe Rogan 27:42 But also, when you see the guy, the guy looks like a Greek god.

Sam Morril 27:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:44 And you're like, "There's nothing wrong with that guy."

Sam Morril 27:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Even though his stomach is completely fucked, and it's, all started from d- take... You're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year. But all these meatheads are doing jujitsu in this basement in New York City, and everyone's getting staph infections, and they don't wanna stop training. So, they just keep taking antibiotics and keep training.

Sam Morril 28:02 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 28:02 And then, you know, years later, you're dealing with this stuff.

Sam Morril 28:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:07 I, I don't know how the fuck, uh, any doctor prescribed him that, or if he just self-prescribed, which is even crazier.

Sam Morril 28:13 Well if he's, uh, if he's, like, a famous athlete, I mean, he probably...

Joe Rogan 28:15 I don't think he was that famous back then, like he wasn't as known back... He's very known now. But... (sighs)

Sam Morril 28:21 All you need is one doctor to be a fan.

Joe Rogan 28:23 Yeah.

Sam Morril 28:23 I had a doctor back in the day, he was like, "I love you on Conan." I'm like, "Can I get muscle relaxers?"

Joe Rogan 28:27 (laughs)

Sam Morril 28:27 He's like, "Sure." I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't doing well, but he had seen me kill on TV, so he's like, "This guy's cool." So, I was just racking up pills from him.

Joe Rogan 28:35 That's hilarious.

Sam Morril 28:36 He's in the Philippines now, I think. He's not even in America anymore. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 28:38 Oh, boy. He's on the run.

Sam Morril 28:39 ... "This guy's fucked up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:40 He's on the run. He's on the run.

Sam Morril 28:41 But for a while, dude, it was beautiful.

Joe Rogan 28:43 A lot of guys go to the Philippines and come back with wives.

Sam Morril 28:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:46 A lot of older guys.

Sam Morril 28:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:48 A lot of older guys go to the Philippines-

Sam Morril 28:49 They're pretty women.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Yeah, pretty, young, super happy to not just eat noodles. "Let's get out of, let's get out of this fucking country."

Sam Morril 28:56 That's the, that's the, that's the pitch.

Joe Rogan 28:58 (laughs)

Sam Morril 28:58 "How would you like some just regular protein and..." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Well, when you find out what most of the world makes, in terms of money, you're like... You know the number? Like, with the 1%, if you're in the top 1% of the world?

Sam Morril 29:10 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 29:10 $34,000.

Sam Morril 29:12 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Yeah. If you make 34,000 American dollars, you are in the top 1% of earth.

Sam Morril 29:17 Crushing life, man.

Joe Rogan 29:18 So, all these people that talk about the one percenters, hey, look in the mirror, fuckface.

Sam Morril 29:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:22 It's all of us. It's literally all of us. We're all ridiculous. We're talking about people in America, you know?

Sam Morril 29:27 Life is good.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Like, this inequality of wealth. What about the world?

Sam Morril 29:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:31 What about the whole thing?

Sam Morril 29:32 It also depends on the state you live in though, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 29:34 Oh, yeah.

Sam Morril 29:34 ... 34 in some states ain't, ain't getting you far.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Oh, it's not getting you far in most.

Sam Morril 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:39 In most states, it's not getting you far, you know? I mean, it's certainly not getting you far in New York and LA.

Sam Morril 29:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:44 But just, you know, just live anywhere-

Sam Morril 29:47 Good thing I make 35.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Yeah, nice.

Sam Morril 29:49 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:49 I mean, people aren't walking over here-

Sam Morril 29:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 ... for no reason, you know? They're-

Sam Morril 29:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 They're walking across that border.

Sam Morril 29:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:56 Because where they are is so bad. It's so bad, you can't imagine it.

Sam Morril 30:01 Yeah. It's a good pla- I love America.

Joe Rogan 30:04 It's the best.

Sam Morril 30:04 I'm a big fan.

Joe Rogan 30:05 I'm a big fan.

Sam Morril 30:05 I like even the cities I think I won't like. Like, I, I did a bit of my new special about Springfield, Missouri, and all the feedback I was getting was like, "Man, it was so nice you talked about our city without shitting on it."

Joe Rogan 30:15 (laughs)

Sam Morril 30:15 And I was like, "Yeah, I had a great time." I will have a great time in any city for a night or two.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Well, I think now, in particular, because of the internet, there's more aware, cool, sort of, uh, in tune people everywhere. There used to be, like back in the '80s, when you would go do gigs on the road, like, psh, you're in the middle of Bumfuck, Ohio. Like, it could be a terrible gig.

Sam Morril 30:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 It could typ- be, they don't know what the fuck you're talking about. No references. Everybody's dumb and drunk. It could be horrible. But somewhere in the 2000s, that really changed.

Sam Morril 30:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:47 And you started to see, when you go on the road-... kind of go to anywhere. And if they're finding about you online, and then, you know, they're finding about that your tickets are for sale online, then they go there. Like, these people are tuned into the world.

Sam Morril 30:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:58 They just happen to live in Lexington, Kentucky.

Sam Morril 31:00 That's a great city.

Joe Rogan 31:01 It's great.

Sam Morril 31:01 I love Lexington, dude.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Great place.

Sam Morril 31:02 I was fucking-

Joe Rogan 31:03 That's probably is fun.

Sam Morril 31:04 I've had some good times there. Fucking-

Joe Rogan 31:05 Or Louisville.

Sam Morril 31:06 ... the racetrack.

Joe Rogan 31:07 I wanna go to the Ka- Kentucky Derby.

Sam Morril 31:08 Have you, have you been Keeneland in Lexington, Kentucky?

Joe Rogan 31:10 No.

Sam Morril 31:11 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 31:12 What's that? What's Keeneland?

Sam Morril 31:13 It's like their, uh, horse racing thing. You bet on the horses, and everyone is so well dressed, like seersucker st- suits.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 31:20 They're fucking... That was my opening line in the city. I said, I s- I was the only person there that didn't look like a villain in Django Unchained.

Joe Rogan 31:26 (laughs)

Sam Morril 31:26 Because, uh, they're all so well-dressed with their mint julep and their drink, and I was like, "I fucking love this."

Joe Rogan 31:31 That is cool.

Sam Morril 31:31 Not to mention like the bourbon in that town is so fun. You just get, you just get fucked up and it, and you feel good. It's like a nice quality... You go to like a random pub there, and you look at their bourbon menu, and you're like, "What the fuck? There's like a diner menu."

Joe Rogan 31:47 That's funny.

Sam Morril 31:47 You know? It's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah.

Sam Morril 31:49 I like Kentucky.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Kentucky's great, underrated place. I've never been to the derby, but everybody tells me it's a trip. I read, uh, Hunter Thompson's The Kentucky Derby is, uh, Decadent and Depraved. Have you ever read that?

Sam Morril 32:00 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 32:01 Fucking amazing.

Sam Morril 32:01 It's good?

Joe Rogan 32:02 Great piece. Yeah, it's just talking about how fucked these rich monsters are there, like letting their hair down and getting crazy at this horse race derby with all their nutty hats. And, you know, the women have to wear those bizarre hats.

Sam Morril 32:14 It, it... But it's a scene.

Joe Rogan 32:15 It's a scene.

Sam Morril 32:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 I have a buddy who goes every year. He's like, "You gotta go. It's fucking incredible."

Sam Morril 32:20 And then, you hear about formula-

Joe Rogan 32:20 He brings his wife, going to get dressed up. They do the whole thing.

Sam Morril 32:23 Yeah, I mean, I, it's... That's what I love. It's like I... If it's new to me, I wanna do it. Like, if I'm gonna-

Joe Rogan 32:28 Did you say Formula? You were saying Formula One racing?

Sam Morril 32:29 Well, yeah. I just started watching it a little bit.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Ah.

Sam Morril 32:32 And it's, it's... I mean, it's here now, right? It's-

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yeah, it's... You should come. You should come-

Sam Morril 32:36 I might, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Like to the weekend-

Sam Morril 32:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 32:38 ... at the club when it's in October, yeah.

Sam Morril 32:40 It's really fun?

Joe Rogan 32:40 Yeah, if the weekend's not booked already. I'll find out if it's booked.

Sam Morril 32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Yeah, dude, it's amazing. It's so fun. First of all, they're so fast when you're, like, sitting right next to the track.

Sam Morril 32:49 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Like, "Yah, yah." You're like, "Holy shit, they're going 250 miles an hour."

Sam Morril 32:54 Oh, dude, I know. I, I had a friend who was driving me. He's a very wealthy friend I have, and he, he was driving me in a McLaren. And he was like showing off in LA going fast. And I was like, "What the fuck? Are you trying to kill me?" He's like, "Dude, we were going 50." But it feels-

Joe Rogan 33:06 (laughs)

Sam Morril 33:06 ... like you're going like 150-

Joe Rogan 33:07 Right, especially if someone knows how to drive.

Sam Morril 33:09 Oh, dude, he's good.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Yeah.

Sam Morril 33:10 I mean, but those, uh, those racers are fucking incredible. They lose like 20 pounds a match.

Joe Rogan 33:16 Yeah, it's nuts. It's super physical.

Sam Morril 33:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Yeah, it's super physical, and it's all about their reaction times. I mean, those guys, th- they're, uh, the G-forces they're experiencing going around those turns, like they have to have like stiff necks. They have to have like stout necks-

Sam Morril 33:29 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:29 ... just to handle the forces.

Sam Morril 33:31 I respect it a lot. I, uh, it's one of the things I didn't really get till I watched that documentary Senna on that racer.

Joe Rogan 33:35 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Sam Morril 33:36 And then, I was like, "Wow, this is..." Like, knowing the angles and knowing-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 33:40 ... when to turn and just... It's all... Any sport, if you're thinking, you fucking lose.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Right.

Sam Morril 33:46 And it, there's a, there's a, uh, a basketball analyst, Walfrain, who would always be like, "He's aiming his shot," you know?

Joe Rogan 33:52 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 33:52 You just can't be aiming your shot. You gotta trust the muscle memory, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:55 Right, right, right, right.

Sam Morril 33:56 Anytime you think in sports, it's fucking over. I was just reading that Agassi book. It's so good. I didn't realize how good at... My friend Matt Ruby was like, "You gotta read the Agassi book." It's hilarious. He's so fucking... He's a good writer.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Really?

Sam Morril 34:08 I'm sure he had help, but like it's well written. And he's just talking about like, you know, he's so in his head, and he's like mad. He's playing someone like Pete Sampras who's like, he's like, "I wish I was this, this dull," you know? Like, "This guy's like a brick wall. He doesn't feel shit."

Joe Rogan 34:21 (laughs)

Sam Morril 34:22 Meanwhile, Agassi's like going to see Broadway shows. He's like an emo guy. He's getting...

Joe Rogan 34:26 Ah.

Sam Morril 34:26 He's an interesting dude. He's like, you know, so angry, like from his, uh... All these guys had abusive dads.

Joe Rogan 34:31 Right.

Sam Morril 34:31 But he's, you know, he's, he's so rebellious and angry. His dad's forcing him to play tennis, and he's at this like tennis compound. They're forcing him to get better, and he's crushing everybody 'cause he's a prodigy. But he's doing it in like mascara and a pink mohawk and an earring as like a "Fuck you."

Joe Rogan 34:47 (laughs)

Sam Morril 34:47 It's so funny. I mean, he's such an interesting guy.

Joe Rogan 34:51 No, that's cool.

Sam Morril 34:51 I had no idea. I, I just didn't... I don't know tennis that well, but I, I mean, I respect the fuck outta any, any sport that like you turn on, you're like, "This is kinda great to watch."

Joe Rogan 34:59 Oh, yeah, tennis is insanely difficult to do at a high level. When you watch those guys moving and volleying back and forth and, uh, all the different setups.

Sam Morril 35:08 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Oh my god.

Sam Morril 35:10 Angles and speed and like mind games 'cause you're on an island, man.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Yeah.

Sam Morril 35:13 You're not, you're not like... It's not a team sport where you get like a high five every once in a while.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Right, right.

Sam Morril 35:17 You're alone.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Right.

Sam Morril 35:18 That's why they're like cursing at themselves.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 35:20 Like you see McEnroe like breaking a racket.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah.

Sam Morril 35:21 And you're like, "I fucking get that."

Joe Rogan 35:23 And you have to be in insane physical shape 'cause you can't get tired-

Sam Morril 35:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:26 ... and not go for the ball.

Sam Morril 35:27 And the heat and the different courts-

Joe Rogan 35:29 Oh, yeah.

Sam Morril 35:30 ... and the-

Joe Rogan 35:30 Clay and grass and ugh.

Sam Morril 35:32 Clay is so weird.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Oh, it's the weirdest.

Sam Morril 35:34 That's a weird court.

Joe Rogan 35:35 You're playing on clay? (laughs)

Sam Morril 35:36 It rains or like w- uh, so it's mud?

Joe Rogan 35:39 (laughs)

Sam Morril 35:39 Like, "What are we doing here?"

Joe Rogan 35:40 (laughs)

Sam Morril 35:40 "This is so fucking weird." But, uh, yeah, no, he's... There was a story about him when he was nine, and his dad is such a fucking grifter that his, that his dad... Jim Brown, the football player, sees him as a kid, and he's just like looking for a game for money at this country club. And he's like, "Let's, let's play someone," and everyone says no. And Agassi's dad's like, "He'll play you for money," and it's like he's fucking nine. You're, you're pimping out your kid for money against the best running back maybe ever? And he's like, "No, I'm not gonna play your kid for money." And he's like, "I'll bet my house that my kid will beat you." And Jim Brown's like, "I don't need a house." Uh, "How much money you wanna play for?" And his dad goes, "How about 10 grand?" It's like their life savings. He's putting this on his son who's nine years old. And, you know, then he sees Agassi hit. The dad goes to get the money, and he's like, "Fuck, this kid's kinda good." And he goes, "How about I, how about I just play you, you know, for fun? And we'll, and then we'll decide how much..." Agassi whoops his ass, like 6-3, 6-3, and then, he goes, "I'll play, I'll play for 500." Agassi whoops his ass, takes him... He's nine.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Wow.

Sam Morril 36:38 Against a fucking Hall of Fame athlete.

Joe Rogan 36:40 (laughs)

Sam Morril 36:41 And his dad, it's like his dad did it. Imagine like you're thinking about your family's mortgage and your siblings and their future, and you're like, "If I lose, we're fucked."

Joe Rogan 36:48 Wow.

Sam Morril 36:49 Imagine doing that to a kid like... Of course he's angry and broken. I, I-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Yeah.

Sam Morril 36:53 I don't know. And he, we talked about Tiger Woods before, but I mean any athlete-

Joe Rogan 36:55 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 36:55 ... who like-... is that good, they probably had a fu-... It's like a porn star. You had a fucked up dad, basically.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Yeah. If you get pushed that hard, I mean, if you get pushed that hard to be the best of the best-

Sam Morril 37:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:07 ... as a child, that means you're missing everything else. You, if you wanna be the best of the best, there's no way you were going to birthday parties.

Sam Morril 37:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:13 There's no way you're sitting at home and watching cartoons.

Sam Morril 37:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:16 No, you're going to training in the morning. You're getting coaching. You're gonna be doing workouts.

Sam Morril 37:19 Weirdly, though, Hitler had a good childhood.

Joe Rogan 37:22 Really?

Sam Morril 37:22 And he was one of the best. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:24 Also-

Sam Morril 37:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... a heavy meth user.

Sam Morril 37:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 I think meth can erase-

Sam Morril 37:27 Meth will erase it.

Joe Rogan 37:28 ... all good parenting.

Sam Morril 37:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:30 All good parenting t- goes by the wayside when meth gets into the equation.

Sam Morril 37:33 (laughs) Some people are just, some people are just, uh... I, I bet one of the best, I mean, evil motherfuckers, obviously. But, uh, yeah some people, yeah, it's weird when there's, like, a serial killer and he's just in it for, like, the love of the game.

Joe Rogan 37:44 (laughs)

Sam Morril 37:44 You know what I mean? 'Cause every once in a while, they're like, "No, he had a good childhood."

Joe Rogan 37:47 Right. Like, what was the story-

Sam Morril 37:48 Well, didn't Ted Kaczynski have a good childhood? I think he did.

Joe Rogan 37:51 No.

Sam Morril 37:52 No, he didn't?

Joe Rogan 37:52 No, he didn't. Ted Kaczynski-

Sam Morril 37:54 He was, like, a nerd. But, like, I don't think he had-

Joe Rogan 37:55 No, no, no, no, no. He had a bad thing happen to him when he was a baby. He was sick and then they took him away from his parents and he was brought to a hospital where he had no physical contact for months.

Sam Morril 38:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 38:05 Yeah, for months and months. It was a part of, uh, the documentary on Netflix about him. It's, his brother talks about it. And then after that, like-

Sam Morril 38:12 And his brother was a good guy, though.

Joe Rogan 38:14 Yeah, his brother was a really good guy. His brother turned him in.

Sam Morril 38:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:16 He, so he was a sociopath from the time he was, like, he was getting no love at all as a baby-

Sam Morril 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... for, like, months and months at a time. I forget the lo- the length of it, whatever this illness, but they basically kept him in a crib, and when he cried, that was it. No one com- comforted him. No one picked him up.

Sam Morril 38:32 But that's what all, that's what my sister did to a baby. That's so-

Joe Rogan 38:34 Yeah, but it mean- never.

Sam Morril 38:35 ... you make them independent.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Never.

Sam Morril 38:35 Ah.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Ever. Zero. Zero minutes on any day was anybody touching him, for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months on end.

Sam Morril 38:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:42 And his brother said he came out fucked up from that.

Sam Morril 38:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Then he's in Harvard, he's a genius, and they put him through the LSD studies of Harvard. And part of the-

Sam Morril 38:50 That's right.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yes.

Sam Morril 38:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:52 So p- which is also some CIA-

Sam Morril 38:54 Not great. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:54 ... MKUltra shit.

Sam Morril 38:55 Wormwood, that shit.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Mm-hmm. So they put him through this, uh, these LSD studies at Harvard, and part of the studies were humiliation. And, like, to see how he responds to, like, severe humiliation. So they humiliate-

Sam Morril 39:08 (laughs) So it's just scientists like, "Look at this fucking pussy."

Joe Rogan 39:11 I don't remember what they did, like how they did it.

Sam Morril 39:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:13 But it was, like, coordinated, organized humiliation, and just psychological warfare, just to see what kind of response it has on this fragile moment.

Sam Morril 39:20 Well, well now we know.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Yeah, well now we know.

Sam Morril 39:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:23 So then he goes to Berkeley, becomes a professor, and saves up his money just so he can-

Sam Morril 39:27 To live in the woods.

Joe Rogan 39:28 ... live in the woods and kill everybody-

Sam Morril 39:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:29 ... who's making technology.

Sam Morril 39:30 Yeah, what a fucking weird guy.

Joe Rogan 39:32 Meanwhile, he has a point. Like, his point was-

Sam Morril 39:34 Oh, no, he is, some of his writing is terrific.

Joe Rogan 39:36 ... technology-

Sam Morril 39:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:36 ... is gonna destroy the human race and it's gonna-

Sam Morril 39:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:38 ... eventually take over us. And he was right.

Sam Morril 39:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:40 He's right. It's happening right now. It's about to blow.

Sam Morril 39:42 He was right. He could've gotten his message out in a different way probably, but-

Joe Rogan 39:44 He maybes a little heavy-handed in his approach. (laughs)

Sam Morril 39:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:49 It's crazy, though.

Sam Morril 39:49 But no, some of the writing, I'm, I'm like, "This motherfucker was onto something."

Joe Rogan 39:52 Oh, he was u- undeniably brilliant.

Sam Morril 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 But in the documentary, uh, his brother talks about, like, say if, like, he asked a girl on a date and the girl said no, like, he would just, like, write the most evil-

Sam Morril 40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 ... vicious letters to her and harass her. And he was a crazy person before the LSD studies. And then the LSD studies, they just cracked him.

Sam Morril 40:11 Yeah. Damn. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:13 Yeah.

Sam Morril 40:13 No, I remember there was a story about him, like, he made, like, a little, like, he, he used his intellect. He made some kind of, uh, like, firecracker to show off to a girl in high school, and she was, like, freaked out by it.

Joe Rogan 40:24 Oh, wow.

Sam Morril 40:24 I'm like, "Holy shit, what a defining moment for a guy who becomes pure evil and uses explosives."

Joe Rogan 40:29 Right, to kill scientists-

Sam Morril 40:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:31 ... and technology makers. Yeah.

Sam Morril 40:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Yeah, it's, um, it's a weird part of our, our history is those experiments that they did on people. And I'd like to know how many of them turned out real bad. Like, how many of those people that were involved in the Harvard LSD studies went on to become psychopaths?

Sam Morril 40:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Like, how many lives got ruined because of that?

Sam Morril 40:49 Well, who was the guy, uh, it was Errol Morris made the documentary on Netflix about, uh, the guy who was in the L-, his, I think it was his dad. Uh, uh, no, it was someone's dad who was in the LSD studies and they absolutely threw him out a window.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Oh, God.

Sam Morril 41:00 Like, he knew some-... He knew too much and they threw him out a fucking window.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Yeah, 100% they do that.

Sam Morril 41:05 And it's like, imagine you just grow up and you're like, "My dad was murdered by the CIA." I mean, it's pretty fucked up.

Joe Rogan 41:13 It's very fucked up. Do you want a cigar? You like cigars?

Sam Morril 41:15 I'm not a big cigar guy.

Joe Rogan 41:16 No?

Sam Morril 41:17 No, but I'll keep drinking with you.

Joe Rogan 41:18 All right. I was thinking about popping a cigar if you don't wanna be rude.

Sam Morril 41:21 You, you- Fuck it, if you have one, I'll have one.

Joe Rogan 41:22 All right, let's go. What do you got here? Project MKUltra, did CIA scientist Frank Olson jump or was he pushed? Yeah, he was probably pushed.

Sam Morril 41:30 (laughs) Well, I mean... It's, it's always one where it's like, was there a note?

Joe Rogan 41:36 Right.

Sam Morril 41:37 And even if there was a note, they could've fudged that, but...

Joe Rogan 41:39 The official verdict was suicide. Oh, he fell from the window of his Manhattan hotel room in 1953, died on the sidewalk in his undershirt and shorts at about 2:00 AM. The official verdict was suicide, but a second autopsy raised questions, although not proof, of a possible homicide. Olson's family and many others have been searching for answers in a hall of mirrors.

Sam Morril 41:58 Dude, I- I- I had a woman jumped out the window in front of me once, splat, like 10 feet in front of me-

Joe Rogan 42:02 Oh.

Sam Morril 42:02 ... in, in Manhattan. I was-

Joe Rogan 42:03 Oh, shit.

Sam Morril 42:04 I was going home. I was, like, in sixth grade. And I was on, I was trying to get the bus and I'm with my friend. I, I stopped to take out my metro card and pfft, right in front of me.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Oh, she could've killed you.

Sam Morril 42:15 I mean, if I didn't stop, I'd be dead. It's crazy to think about. I didn't... You're just so, uh, your mind protects you. It's really fucked up when you, when you experience something like that, because I wasn't scared. I was just kinda like, "Oh, shit." Um, I was like, "Oh, shit. There's, there's, like, a movie going on or someone's shooting a movie." You don't, like, accept it as real. You know?

Joe Rogan 42:37 Oh, wow. So you thought it was a fake body?

Sam Morril 42:39 Yeah, but it got me out of a history test the next day. I called, I remember I called a friend-

Joe Rogan 42:43 L- what did she look like when she hit the ground?

Sam Morril 42:46 Face first, didn't die instantly. That's the one thing I remember.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Face first? Good-

Sam Morril 42:58 Yeah, she... Face first. She was mumbling to herself. That was the most fucked up thing, is I think she-

Joe Rogan 43:03 After she hit the ground?

Sam Morril 43:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Oh, no.

Sam Morril 43:05 It didn't kill her instantly. She muttered something like, "I'm cold." And my friend's mom saw it, and she went into a store and got her a blanket. And it was like-

Joe Rogan 43:12 Oh, God. How far did she fall from? Do we know?

Sam Morril 43:14 I don't know. Probably like, I would guess at least eight stories would be my guess.

Joe Rogan 43:18 (gasps)

Sam Morril 43:18 But like, maybe five. I- I- I don't-

Joe Rogan 43:20 Oh, my God.

Sam Morril 43:20 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 43:21 And she lived. Oh.

Sam Morril 43:22 Well, not in the end she didn't live, but she didn't die instantly.

Joe Rogan 43:25 Oh, goddamn.

Sam Morril 43:27 But I remember I called my friend's mom who was like, a major narcissist after this. And I- I was just- wanted to talk to someone 'cause my parents weren't home. And I, uh- I was like, trying to tell 'em. And the mom just like, picked up the phone and talked about herself for like, 20 (laughs) minutes straight.

Joe Rogan 43:41 No way.

Sam Morril 43:42 And then she's like, "How was your day?" I was like, "I just saw someone die." And she's like, "All right. Well, Elliot's not home (laughs) right now." I was like, that was it.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Jesus Christ.

Sam Morril 43:48 It was a weird fucking call.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Put that lady in the L- LSD studies.

Sam Morril 43:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:53 See what we can do with her. (laughs)

Sam Morril 43:55 That should be a punishment.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Well, I think-

Sam Morril 43:57 It shouldn't be... Yeah, it should be-

Joe Rogan 43:58 We're talking again about like, this kid on the roof with Trump. Like, that's the kind... You find someone who's all fucked up from life and, you know-

Sam Morril 44:07 Can I do another one of the whiskey too?

Joe Rogan 44:08 Sure. That's a- a very specific kinda person. You know, it's hard to make a real- a total narcissist, like your friend's mom, who you just- you just tell them about someone jumping off of a fucking roof in front of you and almost killing you.

Sam Morril 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 And splattering in front of you.

Sam Morril 44:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 And they don't even care. "That has nothing to do with anything to do with me."

Sam Morril 44:24 I think she just didn't know what to say. I don't think it was like, malicious the way she's like, "Oh, I'm sorry." Uh, you know. I- I don't think she meant bad by it.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Ugh.

Sam Morril 44:31 I think she just wasn't equipped to give me anything.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Some people aren't equipped to have real conversations.

Sam Morril 44:36 I know.

Joe Rogan 44:36 They just talk. They just talk and talk at you.

Sam Morril 44:39 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:39 Yeah. But if you find someone who's really fucked up, like if you were a part of a secret program, you would probably kinda wanna be going to visit schools to see if you could find someone who's on the edge.

Sam Morril 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:53 Recruit 'em. You know? Get 'em, es- especially if you're planning on killing them anyway. Like this-

Sam Morril 44:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:58 They knew that if this kid was gonna go on the roof and shoot the president, if they could talk him into going on the roof. Let's assume, not even this scenario-

Sam Morril 45:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:04 ... because let's not be crazy. Let's just say if you wanted to set up a scenario, you were gonna have someone assassinate the president. You get some guy whose life is a fucking complete and total disaster. You either hypnotize him or you mentor him, you give him psychiatric drugs. You do a bunch of things, you get him to do it, and you know that once he gets on top of that roof and shoots the president, everyone's gonna shoot him. And it's nice and clean. They never let those guys live.

Sam Morril 45:31 My question is though, how... Of course. But my question is, do you want him actually to kill Trump in this scenario?

Joe Rogan 45:37 Yeah. They definitely wanted him to kill Trump.

Sam Morril 45:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:40 There was also an Iranian-

Sam Morril 45:41 But whose they? But I- don't- don't you think... I find it a little irresponsible-

Joe Rogan 45:44 Is this his gun?

Narrator 45:44 No, no, no. I was gonna let you guys keep talking. Sorry I interrupted, but I can't find a picture of the gun.

Sam Morril 45:49 I'm so put off when people-

Joe Rogan 45:50 Ah.

Sam Morril 45:51 ... like, you know, Lauren Boebert and shit, where like being like, "Biden hired." (laughs) Biden hired him to- uh, to do this. And you're like, stop trying to pour gas on the fire.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Yeah. How do you know?

Sam Morril 46:03 Like, we- we were so fucking lucky he's not dead.

Joe Rogan 46:05 So lucky.

Sam Morril 46:05 The country like, I believe in the... I- and I- and I... Part of being maybe an entertainer is like, I get to see a unified crowd. That's part of the beauty of- of being able to tour as a comic, is like, I get to see a room of people laughing together. And I- I- I always hate when comics are like, going out of their way to divide a room.

Joe Rogan 46:26 Yeah.

Sam Morril 46:27 And I feel the same way, I mean, more so even about politicians who I'm like, "Why are you trying... Why are you aiming for chaos?"

Joe Rogan 46:33 Like, you really can kind of unite people if you give a good speech.

Sam Morril 46:38 Of course.

Joe Rogan 46:38 You really can. Like, you really can-

Sam Morril 46:39 Sure.

Joe Rogan 46:39 ... inspire people and unite people with the right words.

Sam Morril 46:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:43 And the right, like the right real feeling behind it where it really resonates with people, and they go, "Well, you know what? He's right. He's right."

Sam Morril 46:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:50 "We should do it differently. We should- we should relax a little, get our shit together."

Sam Morril 46:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:54 Which was really funny when after the assassination attempt, Biden is like, "We- we have to put aside our differences." Like-

Sam Morril 47:00 No shit.

Joe Rogan 47:00 ... you were just saying he was Hitler.

Sam Morril 47:01 I know, but also they- they were making a big deal that Biden called Trump and that he, uh... And that he was like, "There's no place for this." I'm like, "Murder? Yeah."

Joe Rogan 47:10 Yeah.

Sam Morril 47:10 "We shouldn't- there should not be a place for assassinating people."

Joe Rogan 47:13 There also should be no place for you using so much hypo- hyperbolic statements that you're saying that your opponent, if they win, it's the death of democracy 'cause they kept saying that over and over again.

Sam Morril 47:25 Both sides do that.

Joe Rogan 47:25 "He's gonna be a dict..." Yeah, they all do that.

Sam Morril 47:27 Both sides do that.

Joe Rogan 47:27 "He's gonna be a dictator. He's gonna be a tyrant. It's the death of democracy. He's gonna put people in camps." Like-

Sam Morril 47:33 It all started when we started comparing every politician to Hitler, 'cause it gave us nowhere to go.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Right. Right, right, right.

Sam Morril 47:38 When every... Here's the problem, like every cable news show, they- they thrive the way politicians are trying to thr- uh, thrive now where it's like chaos. It's like you are poisoning every audience member who watches this shit.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Sam Morril 47:51 Cable news is literally there pouring poison down your throat.

Joe Rogan 47:55 And the way they're set up, they kinda have to do that because otherwise they're not gonna survive.

Sam Morril 47:59 They- Well, they already- they were... When Trump was out of office, they were dipping like a motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Ah, huge dip.

Sam Morril 48:04 Huge dip.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Huge dip. Yeah.

Sam Morril 48:05 'Cause he was- he was giving them content.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Yeah, yeah. The fear content.

Sam Morril 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Yeah, it's, uh, it's- it's not a good time for being informed. It's a very confusing time in terms of like, understanding exactly what's going on in the world.

Sam Morril 48:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:20 It's real weird.

Sam Morril 48:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 It's just weird, real weird. You know, you don't- you don't know what the fuck is happening. There's no official reports of things, and there's so many different things that are popping off. There's so much going on in Ukraine and in Israel, and it's like-

Sam Morril 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 ... what's going on in America, and someone just tried to kill the president. And like, you see how the-

Sam Morril 48:39 I couldn't believe that shit. I was- I was like, "This can't be fucking..."

Joe Rogan 48:44 Can't be real.

Sam Morril 48:44 When did the- when did the world turn into the World Wrestling Federation?

Joe Rogan 48:47 Yeah, I was in Italy.

Sam Morril 48:48 All of it.

Joe Rogan 48:48 I was in Italy when it was going on.

Sam Morril 48:50 With- with the Trump thing?

Narrator 48:51 The cop one on the roof.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Yeah. Yeah, cop went on the roof, he pointed a gun at the cop, and the cop jumped off the roof.

Narrator 48:57 (laughs) That's fucking crazy.

Sam Morril 48:58 You never see that in like, an Eastwood movie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:00 Yeah, the cop is like, "I'm getting outta here."

Sam Morril 49:01 The cop jumping up and going, "Fuck this shit."

Joe Rogan 49:02 Yeah.

Narrator 49:02 He says he fired eight times at Trump.

Sam Morril 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Really?

Narrator 49:07 Uh, this also says his father reported him missing later that night.

Joe Rogan 49:11 With his rifle. Yeah, the father made a phone call.

Sam Morril 49:13 Did-hid he give him the r- w- uh, so I know it was the dad's gun.

Narrator 49:16 He might have or he took it.

Sam Morril 49:16 We don't ... Do they know if it was a gift or if it was he borrowed it or stole it? That's the question.

Joe Rogan 49:20 It says the son missing along with his rifle. So that was his son's rifle.

Sam Morril 49:24 So he stole it then?

Narrator 49:24 It was his phone.

Joe Rogan 49:24 No, it says ... Well, it's hard to say what he's saying there-

Narrator 49:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... because it could be saying the son was missing with his rifle, but it could be saying the son was missing with his son's rifle. See what, how it says it "Crook's father reports his son missing along with his rifle." Uh, that could either be interpreted as Crook's father's rifle or the kid's rifle.

Sam Morril 49:43 Hm.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Right? Am I wrong?

Narrator 49:45 No. Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan 49:46 Yeah. There were over a dozen firearms found in the Crook's household. So there was a lot of guns in the house.

Sam Morril 49:52 How would you like to have that be your fucking kid?

Narrator 49:54 And they used-

Joe Rogan 49:54 Oh my God. (laughs)

Narrator 49:54 ... this too. They used DNA to, to identify him it said.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Well, you could use a photo. I saw his face.

Sam Morril 49:59 Yeah.

Narrator 49:59 But no, they said that FBI used ID, uh, DNA to figure it out.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Oh, to make sure it's him?

Narrator 50:03 And they're not s- they're not giving, uh, date or, um, any explanation on exactly how they did that. And people were, like, thinking about it-

Sam Morril 50:09 How they ran a DNA test?

Narrator 50:10 They might have used, like, DNA.com or Ancestry.com or something like that to cross-reference.

Joe Rogan 50:13 Oh, they definitely probably used those fucking things. The, all those databases, we're all compromised.

Sam Morril 50:18 I shouldn't have done it.

Joe Rogan 50:19 I shouldn't have done it too.

Sam Morril 50:20 I, you did it too?

Joe Rogan 50:21 Yeah, I did it.

Sam Morril 50:21 Why? Why'd we do it?

Joe Rogan 50:23 Well, because, uh, I was interested.

Sam Morril 50:24 A girl, a drunk girl in a bar convinced me to do it, and I was like ... Yeah, what the ... I was hammered. I was like, "Yeah, I want to know how fucking, uh, Ashkenazi Jew I ... Like, who gives a shit?"

Joe Rogan 50:31 Yeah. I know, right?

Sam Morril 50:33 Like, clearly I have some Turkish in me with these eyebrows.

Joe Rogan 50:35 (laughs)

Sam Morril 50:35 I know what I am basically. But she was like, "No, you need to know." And she did it, like, on the spot in the bar. She had ordered it for me. And then I was like-

Joe Rogan 50:42 Oh, wow.

Sam Morril 50:43 ... "I'm a fucking idiot."

Joe Rogan 50:44 Well, you gave away all your DNA to China and now-

Sam Morril 50:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:47 ... they can make a bioweapon that specifically targets you.

Sam Morril 50:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:51 That's a new thing that they can do now.

Sam Morril 50:52 How does that work?

Joe Rogan 50:53 Well, certain people have certain genetic, uh ... Like, it, people are different, right? Like, there's certain people where certain genes i- impact them differently. Like, for instance, the reason why some black people get sickle cell anemia is because their family has a history, their ancestors have a history of, uh, protection against malaria.

Sam Morril 51:14 Hm.

Joe Rogan 51:15 So because they've survived malaria, somehow or another that gene manifests itself in sickle cell anemia, right? And s- and, like, people from certain parts of the world have genes that are more associated with alcoholism or have genes that are more associated with certain ... Like, so if they could find, like, a f- particular vulnerability that you may have or that certain races may have even, you can create a bioweapon specifically-

Sam Morril 51:43 Hm.

Joe Rogan 51:43 And i- this is all theoretical of course, but specifically to target an individual person.

Sam Morril 51:47 But don't they kind of already know if that's your tendency what y- what race you are? Like ...

Joe Rogan 51:52 I don't know. I mean, I think it's probably really ... Like, some people think they're one thing and they find out they're not, like Elizabeth Warren.

Sam Morril 51:59 They just do, they do, they do a Woody Allen film festival in New York and just nuke it, and I'm like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 52:04 (laughs)

Sam Morril 52:04 "I walked right into that one."

Joe Rogan 52:06 I think, eh, but it, but it, for the biological thing, I think it's like there's very specific things. Like, you're different than me and y- and I'm different than Jamey. And there could be a f- a certain biological weapon that only targets Jamey's DNA.

Sam Morril 52:21 Hm.

Joe Rogan 52:22 And they could use it on him. See if they can find out whatever the fuck that is now, because they're, they're talking about this in terms of, like, the vulnerability of selling our entire DNA, uh, database. Because apparently if you signed up for one of those, it's either DNA.com or Ancestry.com-

Sam Morril 52:40 Ancestry. 23andMe.

Joe Rogan 52:41 ... or 23andMe, one of those sold their whole database.

Sam Morril 52:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:45 And I think-

Sam Morril 52:46 By the way, do you get the alerts where they're like, "We found another family member for you"?

Joe Rogan 52:48 Yeah.

Sam Morril 52:48 I'm like, "I'm good."

Joe Rogan 52:49 "I'm good."

Sam Morril 52:50 "We're fucking, we're tapped out here."

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah, "I'm busy."

Sam Morril 52:52 Yeah. I got-

Joe Rogan 52:52 "I'm about to change my number anyway."

Sam Morril 52:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:54 (laughs)

Sam Morril 52:54 I'm in a blended family as is. I have step-siblings. I'm like, "Let's, let's cap it here. Let's-"

Joe Rogan 52:58 Yeah. "That's enough of bringing strangers into your life."

Sam Morril 53:00 But they tell you... What's funny is they tell you, like, random shit on those sites where they're like, "You prefer salty to sweet." And I'm like, "Holy shit, that is true."

Joe Rogan 53:07 Hm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like-

Sam Morril 53:09 But then sometimes you feel like you're talking to a chick who just knows your astrological sign.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Hm.

Sam Morril 53:12 And, and I'm just dumb and I'm like, "Yeah, I guess that, I guess I am."

Joe Rogan 53:15 But there's certain things, like-

Sam Morril 53:16 "I guess I'm cheerful."

Joe Rogan 53:16 The taste of cilantro.

Sam Morril 53:18 Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Some people it tastes like soap.

Sam Morril 53:19 Do you like it or not?

Joe Rogan 53:20 I like it.

Sam Morril 53:20 Me too.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah. Yeah. Some people don't like ... What does it say, Jim?

Narrator 53:23 It's potentially hypothetical, but this is what people inside the government have said about it.

Joe Rogan 53:27 Okay. Uh, that's what it is, where you can actually take someone's DNA, you know, their medical profile, and you could target a biological weapon that will kill that person or take them off the battlefield and make them inoperable. You can't have a discussion about this without talking about the privacy in commercial data and the protection of commercial data because expectations of privacy have degraded over the last 20 years. People will rapidly spit into a cup and send it to 23andMe and get really interesting data about their background. And guess what? Their DNA is now owned by a private company. It can be sold off with very little intellectual property protection or privacy protection. And we don't have legal and regulatory regimes that deal with that. The data is actually gonna be procured and collected by our adversaries for the development of these systems. That's what I'm talking about.

Sam Morril 54:13 Oh cool, we're all fucking stupid.

Joe Rogan 54:14 This is flat out Alex Jones stuff.

Sam Morril 54:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:16 Like, if you'd heard this five years ago, like, "Alex, relax."

Sam Morril 54:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 They're, they're finding your own personal DNA and they're developing weapons specifically designed to target you."

Sam Morril 54:26 I'll say for myself, they don't need to do much research. You could take me out pretty fucking easy.

Joe Rogan 54:31 I think it's just to know that they have them for everybody. Anybody that might be a bit of a problem.

Sam Morril 54:36 It's creepy as fuck.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Oh, it's very creepy.

Sam Morril 54:38 Even just, like, the, was it the Cambridge Analytica stuff? Just the stuff-

Joe Rogan 54:41 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 54:41 ... they have on you, you're like, "Yeah, this is, like, not good." I don't, I don't like-

Joe Rogan 54:45 It's, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

Sam Morril 54:46 Yeah, but then I also think of it in, like, terms of podcasts where, like, if we log this many hours we're not gonna get canceled 'cause there's too much shit to pull from.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Right.

Sam Morril 54:55 So I look at it the same way. I'm like, "If you have this much of everybody-"

Joe Rogan 54:59 Right.

Sam Morril 54:59 Maybe we're all okay.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Well, the thing about podcasts, we've said awful shit. We have, we have said awful shit in these little clips. But we've also said not awful shit.

Sam Morril 55:10 Way more.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Thousands and thousands of hours.

Sam Morril 55:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:12 And we're comedians.

Sam Morril 55:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:14 So people go, "Yeah. But what, what was the whole conversation like? Why did Shane say that?"

Sam Morril 55:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:20 "Why did Joe say that?" Or, "Why'd they say that?" Well, it's 'cause you, people now get it.

Sam Morril 55:24 Wh- why did Shane, why did Shane call me a dirty Jew? 'Cause the Knicks beat the Sixers, that's why.

Joe Rogan 55:29 (laughs)

Sam Morril 55:29 Suck it, Shane. Sorry, dude. Go Knicks.

Joe Rogan 55:33 It, in the moment-

Sam Morril 55:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:34 ... it had to be okay.

Sam Morril 55:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:37 But I think, you know, people realize that now.

Sam Morril 55:38 I saw him two nights ago in, in Nashville. He is awf- it's like a video game getting away from Shane, because he, you can't get away unscathed. I'm like, I'm like, "Dude, I'm so hungover." I'd done killed Tony the night before, I was in Nashville. I'm like, "Please," I, I-

Joe Rogan 55:50 The big boss. (laughs)

Sam Morril 55:51 Yeah. I'm just, like, trying to get away from him. He's like, "You need one more drink to kill that hangover."

Joe Rogan 55:55 (laughs)

Sam Morril 55:55 I'm like, "I'm good." But then he talks, and it, between him and Joe DeRosa, I'm like, this is like the two bosses.

Joe Rogan 56:00 Yeah.

Sam Morril 56:00 And I'm like, "Joe, you're 46."

Joe Rogan 56:02 Yeah.

Sam Morril 56:02 "For fuck's sake, stop doing shots."

Joe Rogan 56:05 (laughs)

Sam Morril 56:05 "You're smoking Marlboro Reds and doing shots, you're forty-fucking-six."

Joe Rogan 56:08 Yeah. And he's not a healthy 46 either.

Sam Morril 56:09 No.

Joe Rogan 56:10 He's not, like, doing marathons.

Sam Morril 56:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:12 When we, when we're in here, we do pro- Protect Our Parks, Shane's always the one with the beer bong. He's like, "Dude, it's time. It's time."

Sam Morril 56:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:18 You see that big, fucking meaty hand reach across. (laughs)

Sam Morril 56:20 I, the problem with guys like Shane, for me, are, like, I still enjoy drinking, and I like the buzz that builds gradually. I don't like just getting super fucked up.

Joe Rogan 56:29 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 56:29 I, I like getting fucked up, like, over the course of the night.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Yeah.

Sam Morril 56:31 But I like building to it. Like, I like the, the build.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Yeah. Build's nice.

Sam Morril 56:34 And Shane drinks like a 19-year-old.

Joe Rogan 56:37 He does, but he drinks Bud Lights, which is the calculated move if you're gonna drink a lot. That's the Stanhope move too, for-

Sam Morril 56:42 I know.

Joe Rogan 56:42 ... Stanhope goes cocktails now. But for the longest time, Stanhope drank light beer. He goes, "I like a light beer, 'cause I can just start it early."

Sam Morril 56:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:49 "Just keep a nice, slow burn."

Sam Morril 56:51 You, dude, you're pretty good at impressions.

Joe Rogan 56:52 That's okay.

Sam Morril 56:53 That's not bad. Stanhope is-

Joe Rogan 56:55 If I talk to him, if I'm a-, I'm around him, I can do him better.

Sam Morril 56:57 I love him. I, I, uh, he was a, I was such a fan of his. I, uh, I mean, still am. But, like, I mean, I remember there was, like, old albums, like, Something to Take the Edge Off and shit.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah. Oh, he's great.

Sam Morril 57:06 Like, oh my God, that Bobby Barnett story, Doug Stanhope.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sam Morril 57:10 Like, that's just, it's just a I fucked a chick story.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Yeah.

Sam Morril 57:12 But it's not. It's, like, got layers.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Yeah.

Sam Morril 57:14 And there's Henry Phillips playing the bass in the background.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Yes.

Sam Morril 57:17 Stanhope is, like, uh, and he's so cool. He's such a cool fucking guy.

Joe Rogan 57:21 He really is that guy. Like, that's not an act.

Sam Morril 57:23 He is like, uh, Attell always says he's, like, the closest we have to Bill Hicks.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah. But he's a different thing, you know. He's just, he's his own thing, you know. It's like-

Sam Morril 57:34 For sure.

Joe Rogan 57:35 He's, he's Doug Stanhope, you know.

Sam Morril 57:37 For sure.

Joe Rogan 57:37 He, he, he inspired a lot of Stanhope wannabes.

Sam Morril 57:41 Oh, dude, the mics. We all, I, I, so I'm a different generation than you in stand-up, but, like, I remember the guys who were getting, like, when I was coming up, the guys getting ripped off at the mics were Mitch Hedberg, Dane Cook, a little bit of Burr, a little, there's some Burr. I mean, obviously Lou.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Loud of Attell.

Sam Morril 57:55 At- I mean, I'm one of them.

Joe Rogan 57:56 (laughs)

Sam Morril 57:56 Let's fucking be honest. Like, like, we all know who we, like, I, I remember Norman and I would, like, laugh talking about, like, he's like, "I'm like a Norm MacDonald, Jerry Seinfeld thing." And I was like, "I fucking was obsessed with Dangerfield and Attell." So it was like-

Joe Rogan 58:08 Mm.

Sam Morril 58:09 ... you know. Uh, and then-

Joe Rogan 58:10 Did you see the handwritten notes we have in the green room from Dangerfield?

Sam Morril 58:13 I love them. Dude, I love the green room.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Isn't that incredible?

Sam Morril 58:15 It's so cool. No, I love comedy history shit like that, like-

Joe Rogan 58:17 But those are from his wife. His wife gave them to us.

Sam Morril 58:20 I talked to her on the phone. I, 'cause I, I, I was, after Whitney's podcast, we were, she was driving me, we were drive-, doing the same show. And she's like, "Do you wanna talk to," she knows I love Rodney, so she's like, "Do you wanna, do you wanna, uh, talk to Joan Dangerfield?" I was like, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 58:32 Wow.

Sam Morril 58:33 So she calls me, uh, or she calls Joan Dangerfield. And Joan picks up the phone, and, and she's, I'm like, "Oh, I loved your husband, uh, so much." I was like, "Back to School's, like, my favorite movie ever, and I love his stand-up, his Carson appearances." I'm, I'm like, "I- I'm obsessed with Dangerfield." And she's like, "You wanna hear a Dangerfield joke no one's ever heard?" And I said, "Yeah." When he was going under for a big operation, he, he was like, "Fuck, I might not make it, and if I don't have my mind, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be alive." Like, it's all I have, I'm a comic. And he comes out of it, and the doctor goes, "Did you cough anything up?" And he goes, "Yeah, $500 last week to a whore." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:10 (laughs)

Sam Morril 59:10 He woke up with a fucking joke.

Joe Rogan 59:12 (laughs)

Sam Morril 59:13 So cool. I love shit like, I, Danger-, Back to School to me is, like, the best comfort watch ever, because it's like, it's only, every character serves to set up his stand-up.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah.

Sam Morril 59:23 His wife's like, "You're impossible." "Oh yeah? And you're easy." You know? Like, it's all just perfect fucking jokes.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah, yeah. That's great with you.

Sam Morril 59:30 "You're tall and fat." "Yeah, well, you're short and ugly." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:33 (laughs)

Sam Morril 59:34 You remember the scene with, uh, there's, I think about this scene, 'cause it's been ripped off so much. But when they're getting, it's like, Burt Young is so funny in that movie too. But when they're getting drunk at the bar, it's, like, young Robert Downey Jr., who's, like, hilarious in it too. And they're, they're bringing them a pitcher, "Bring us a pitcher of beer every seven minutes until someone passes out. Then bring us one every 10." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:53 (laughs)

Sam Morril 59:53 Like, you can't be more fun than that, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah. No, he was great. I saw him live when I was a security guard.

Sam Morril 59:59 Whoa, where?

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 I was a security guard at Great Woods.

Sam Morril 1:00:02 No shit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Great Woods is a, uh, it's a concert place in Mansfield, Massachusetts. And, uh, I was working security there. And this is, I was 19 years old. And I got to see a lot of people there. I got to see, uh, I got to see Bill Cosby there.

Sam Morril 1:00:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 I saw, uh-

Sam Morril 1:00:19 Bet that was a good show.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 It was a good show.

Sam Morril 1:00:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 I saw Bon Jovi there.

Sam Morril 1:00:22 Nice.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 I was barely paying attention to Bill Cosby, 'cause I was trying to pick up this girl.

Sam Morril 1:00:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 I was doing a lot of chatting. I missed a lot of the comedy part.

Sam Morril 1:00:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 But this was before I decided I was gonna be a comedian. So I only kind of-

Sam Morril 1:00:32 Good for you, having to work to pick up a woman at a Cosby show.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:00:38 Set a good example for the future, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 I didn't even think of that. Sh- but, um, so I was backstage. Like, there was, like, this back area. And Rodney was back there, and Rodney was wearing a bathrobe. He had nothing on, but a bathrobe.

Sam Morril 1:00:51 His balls.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Just naked in a bathrobe with slippers, and he goes on stage like that. That's how he'd go on stage. He'd go on stage balls-ass naked with a bathrobe on and slippers.

Sam Morril 1:01:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 ... and just murder. So, he went through this phase of his career, towards the end, where he would go on stage in a bathrobe. And he's b- just balls naked with a bathrobe on.

Sam Morril 1:01:15 It's so weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 And he would be backstage, hanging out with people. His balls would be hanging out-

Sam Morril 1:01:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 ... and he didn't even care. Apparently, he had this giant dick and these huge balls, and they'd just be hanging out. And Rodney would just be smoking joints and hanging out backstage with everybody.

Sam Morril 1:01:26 Once you- once you're 80 plus, it's like, kind of adorable.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 80 plus and super wealthy and famous, and he's doing this g- enormous theater. It's like this, uh, b- place where Bon Jovi does, you know, in, in Mansfield, Massachusetts. It's Hugh's performing arts place.

Sam Morril 1:01:41 He was the best, man. I, th- my mom got me a DVD set of his for my birthday when I was a kid, and it was like, I loved it. It was like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Yeah, look. See? (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:01:48 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 See, h- he would hang out with s-... (laughs) He's got a fucking sock over his dick.

Sam Morril 1:01:52 And he's just got this serious face on.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah.

Sam Morril 1:01:54 It's perfect. Oh, dude, look at the back-to-school robe too. It's fucking perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Yeah.

Sam Morril 1:01:57 Dude, that, the score for that movie too, Danny Elfman, like (singing)

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah.

Sam Morril 1:02:02 It's so cheerful.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 Yeah.

Sam Morril 1:02:03 But, uh, yeah, he, uh, on the DVD set, is a s- it's kinda sad. There's a set when he's really old, and he's, it's, he's in Vegas, and they're not good. The crowd's not good. He's kinda struggling.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Mm-hmm.

Sam Morril 1:02:14 But there's a moment where he just is like, "Fuck it," and just rattles off, like, so many in a row, so many great one-liners. And they start to pick up, and they start giving an applause break, and he just pauses, and he goes, "I know a lot of good fucking jokes."

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:02:26 It's such a triumphant moment. You're like, 80 years old, and he's just like, "Fuck you. I'm still a, I'm still a pro."

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 I met him at the Laugh Factory, like, many, many years later after I'd seen him when I was a, a, you know, security guard. I was, uh, just, just moved to Hollywood, like '94. And he was there, and he was still doing, like, a little bit of standup. And he showed up, and I met him there with his wife. I don't know if it's the same wife. He was always moving around.

Sam Morril 1:02:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 But he was, uh, you know, it was interesting just to see him. It was just weird.

Sam Morril 1:02:55 Was he cool?

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 Yeah, he was real, real friendly. "Hey, what do you know?"

Sam Morril 1:02:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 You know? It was like-

Sam Morril 1:03:00 He used to get fucked up at The Comic Strip.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah?

Sam Morril 1:03:02 Because his club, Dangerfield's, in the city, they'd be like, "Why are you always doing drugs here?" He's like, "What? Am I gonna do drugs at my club?"

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 (laughs)

Sam Morril 1:03:07 You know? It's like, "Fuck you, I'm doing drugs here." But, uh, I mean, that was... I never really played Dangerfield's. It was