Joe Rogan Experience #2182 - Michael Malice

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Okay, I have to announce, 'cause, uh, Netflix is making me announce this.

Michael Malice 0:16 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 0:16 So I have a, a Netflix special that's live Saturday night from San Antonio.

Michael Malice 0:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:22 So it's gonna be live all over the world.

Michael Malice 0:23 I'm gonna see you tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Oh, yay. Oh, yeah, we're coming.

Michael Malice 0:26 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Yeah.

Michael Malice 0:27 It's gonna be a lot of fun. (clears throat) I've seen your set. It's really funny.

Joe Rogan 0:30 It's, uh, it's tight now. Mm. It's good. It's like, I'm very happy with it.

Michael Malice 0:34 W- how long has it been since you dropped a special?

Joe Rogan 0:36 Six years.

Michael Malice 0:37 Wait, dude, seriously?

Joe Rogan 0:38 Yeah, I was ready to do one in August of 2020 when, um, the shit went down. So when the shit went down with the COVID stuff, I was preparing, so that was like March, right? I was preparing to do one in August and then I didn't do standup for like eight months. And then, uh, we started doing standup out here again, and then I started changing a lot of bits and moving stuff around. And I'm like, "I don't wanna do one right now." And I sorta just really enjoyed fucking around and just doing comedy for doing comedy, you know, and then doing it at The Club. And when The Club opened, it was just so much fun. It was just... It's just such a fucking joy to be there all the time. It's like, I get, I get anxious to get back there, like can't wait to go.

Michael Malice 1:21 I w- I was there opening night.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:24 And I was there with my protege, Trey. We're in the green room and I'm very much like, "Okay, this is in your house, like be respectful of the space," you know? 'Cause I'm not a comic. Tim Dillon's there, who I'm pals with. Ron White. Oh my God, Ron White. Tony, you know, the, the crew. And then I hear the voice and Roseanne walks in.

Joe Rogan 1:44 (laughs)

Michael Malice 1:46 (laughs) Right? And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:47 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:47 ... "Oh, fucking shit." And I'm like, "All right, keep it cool." And I, I hear her say, (in high-pitched voice) "Yeah, when you get to be my age, you either have diarrhea or you're constipated."

Joe Rogan 1:59 (laughs)

Michael Malice 1:59 "So when I was on, uh, Tucker Carlson, my son's like, 'Mom, you've never been more personable.'" I go, "Yeah, that's 'cause I shit myself."

Joe Rogan 2:09 (laughs)

Michael Malice 2:10 And I'm sitting there, I'm like, "Okay, here's your opening." And I go, "You stole that line from the President."

Joe Rogan 2:14 (laughs)

Michael Malice 2:14 And she goes, "What? No. Who, who said..." And like her head's still going around. And then I'm talking to her.

Joe Rogan 2:19 She didn't know you?

Michael Malice 2:20 Of course she didn't know me, you know, she's a boomer, right? So-

Joe Rogan 2:23 (laughs)

Michael Malice 2:24 ... I'm, (laughs) I've, I'm sitting there and the thing is... Look, you hang out with like, part of your act, you hang out with Elon, you hang out with like these major figures.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Yeah.

Michael Malice 2:32 Who do I get? I'm like the Make-A-Wish kid who's got a cold and they're like, "We can get you Dave Smith. Maybe Lex Friedman." Right? So I'm chatting with her and she's going on about how Va-... There's the Book of Esther, which is a Jewish story from the Old Testament, it's the story of Purim, which I learned when I was in yeshiva. And she's going on about Vashti's one of the characters is trans and she's got a dick. And I, I... They didn't teach us this in Jewish school-

Joe Rogan 2:56 (laughs)

Michael Malice 2:56 ... I assure you. She's like, "You didn't know Vashti was trans?" And I'm sitting there, I'm trying to keep up with her. I don't know what the hell she's talking about. Um...

Joe Rogan 3:03 She's off the rails. (laughs)

Michael Malice 3:04 But she's... But, but the whole time I'm like, "Holy shit, Roseanne is yelling at me."

Joe Rogan 3:08 One of my favorite videos from the story, you can find it on my Instagram, Jamie, of Roseanne dancing. She's smoking a cigarette and dancing while the get it together bitch sign-

Michael Malice 3:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:18 ... is illuminated in the background.

Michael Malice 3:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:20 It's such a fucking great video.

Michael Malice 3:22 I've been hanging out with her and it's like one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Oh, she's such a, such a character.

Michael Malice 3:27 Yeah, 'cause the thing is, if I make her laugh, it's like the show. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:30 Yeah.

Michael Malice 3:31 But if I don't make her laugh and she yells at me, well, Roseanne's yelling at me, which is also a win.

Joe Rogan 3:35 She believes some crazy stuff, but she's open to be, like informed.

Michael Malice 3:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Like if you tell her that n- this is actually what's going... She do- she doesn't like dig her heels in. Like she, I try to explain to her contrails.

Michael Malice 3:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 That th- they probably do spray things in the air.

Michael Malice 3:51 Sure.

Joe Rogan 3:52 It probably does happen. But that's not what you're seeing all the time. What you're seeing all the time is a hot jet engine-

Michael Malice 3:57 Right, 'c-

Joe Rogan 3:57 ... that's counting, encountering-

Michael Malice 3:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:58 ... condensation. It literally creates clouds. It's a physical effect, you can recreate it over and over and over again. That doesn't mean that people don't spray shit in the sky.

Michael Malice 4:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:07 And it doesn't mean that they haven't experimented with things, 'cause they're already talking to you about experimenting with w- weather modification. Like first of all, they have some data and one of the, some data that they have is actually from 9/11 because of the contrails. So the contrails, when they stopped being a thing because they shut the entire air travel system down in the United States, for how long? Was it a couple of days, right?

Michael Malice 4:29 It was a l- oh yeah, it was, it was more than that, don't you think?

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah. It might have been a week. How long did they shut the air for?

Michael Malice 4:34 It was a lo- it was a while.

Joe Rogan 4:35 So what happened was th- the Earth's temperature actually increased.

Michael Malice 4:39 How, how?

Joe Rogan 4:40 Or the temperature in the United States increased by a measurable amount, right? So it's very small but it's measurable and it's because there's no clouds. So those clouds that those planes-

Michael Malice 4:48 Oh wow, okay.

Joe Rogan 4:49 ... create by flying overhead all the time, those things are consistently l- blocking out the sun to the point where it actually changes the temperature of the Earth. So one of the things they found out about, um, boat travel, you know, shipping containers, these gigantic ships. When, uh, NATO imposed, so let me just say-

Michael Malice 5:09 Two days, okay.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Two days, yeah. So when they imposed new... And I don't know who it was, NATO, whoever it was, imposed new environmental restrictions on these giant cargo ships.

Michael Malice 5:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:19 Once they did that, they found that the surface temperature of the ocean actually increased because they weren't blowing pollution over the ocean so much so that it creates like a foggy haze-

Michael Malice 5:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:30 ... that actually measurably blocks the amount of sunlight that goes through it. So ironically, like th- in trying to cool the ocean by th- r- decreasing our carbon footprint, they actually increased the surface temperature of the ocean.

Michael Malice 5:43 Well that also gets them the whole thing about how it's not necessarily a bad thing if temperature increases 'cause there's more life at the equator than at the poles, uh, and it's not necessarily bad if you're going to get things slightly warmer and maybe it's the speed that's the issue, but they never even take that into consideration. As long as there's any change, it can only be for the worse.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Well it's also a business.

Michael Malice 6:01 Yeah, of course, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:01 This is where we have to be really careful with this stuff 'cause I'm very environmentally conscious. I love-... wilderness and Earth and the ocean. I love all these things. There's a bunch of things that we should address as human beings. The biggest one, unfortunately, is that we've decimated all fish life in the ocean. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 94% ... Is that what it is? What's the number? Of 94 ... I think, I think it's 94% of all big fish are missing from the ocean.

Michael Malice 6:29 What do you mean by-

Joe Rogan 6:29 The differences between the numbers of 100 years ago-

Michael Malice 6:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:32 ... versus today, it's down 94%.

Michael Malice 6:36 Wait. Hold on. W- what do you mean by big fish? Do you mean like whale sharks or do you mean like tuna?

Joe Rogan 6:39 No, no, no, no, no, no. Like tuna, g- fish that we eat.

Michael Malice 6:42 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:42 You know, all- all the swordfish, all these different fish that we commercially capture. You know, those things are decimated, just decimated.

Michael Malice 6:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:51 It's a- a fucking disaster.

Michael Malice 6:53 And- and it's not a lot of these-

Joe Rogan 6:55 90%.

Michael Malice 6:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 6:57 90% of larger fish in the ocean are gone. We take through overfishing, unsustainable overfishing. So, the real fear is that if we keep going like this for another 100 years, there's nothing left. And it's very difficult to impose these restrictions on these boats that are in the middle of the ocean that are from other countries.

Michael Malice 7:16 Well, the other issue is bycatch, where, like, you're-

Joe Rogan 7:19 Yep.

Michael Malice 7:19 ... you're killing a lot of things that you didn't really want-

Joe Rogan 7:21 Right.

Michael Malice 7:21 ... to have, have captured. And also you have, if you have, um, you remove the predators, then the prey explode in population, like with deer.

Joe Rogan 7:28 Yeah.

Michael Malice 7:28 And then they're in everyone's front lawn. And- and- and-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Yep.

Michael Malice 7:30 ... that's a whole cascade effect there. Um, I- I ... That 90% number seems cr- ... 'Cause how would they have had that data 100 years ago, though?

Joe Rogan 7:36 Well, fish markets.

Michael Malice 7:37 Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Right? So, if you talk to anybody who's a sushi chef that's ever been to the famous fish markets in Tokyo, they're so amazing that ... I was only in Tokyo for two days. It was just ... I had just flown in. We did the weigh-ins. I was out of it. I was like, "God, I should get up at 5:00 in the morning and go to the fish market," and I didn't do it. I'm fucking kicking myself.

Michael Malice 7:54 I- I-

Joe Rogan 7:54 It's supposed to be incredible.

Michael Malice 7:55 I- I was just there. Like, I came here-

Joe Rogan 7:56 Oh, really?

Michael Malice 7:57 I- I came here to yell at you.

Joe Rogan 7:58 Oh. (laughs)

Michael Malice 7:59 No, I'm not even kidding. No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 8:00 (laughs)

Michael Malice 8:00 Like, you know the guy who goes to Japan once and is like-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Uh ...

Michael Malice 8:02 ... "You gotta go to Japan"?

Joe Rogan 8:03 Yeah.

Michael Malice 8:03 That's me.

Joe Rogan 8:04 I've been to Japan. Unfortunately, I was only very, there very briefly-

Michael Malice 8:07 But that's not going to Japan.

Joe Rogan 8:09 ... and it was just for the fights. Yeah. It was beautiful, though. I loved it. I loved the audience. The audience at the fights were so respectful and they were so knowledgeable. Like, if someone passed guard, everyone would clap. I was like, "Wow, this is wild."

Michael Malice 8:23 I- I was really, um, angry at all the misconceptions that I was taught about Japan and Japanese people. Like, I thought that everyone would be like a robot. They were great sense of humor, very friendly. And the thing that they have there that we don't have here is, like, everyone really takes pride in what they do. And like, you see it in, like, just regular stores and things like that, restaurants. Like, they- they love their country.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Do you know who Sakuraba is?

Michael Malice 8:49 Isn't he a fighter?

Joe Rogan 8:50 Yes. Legendary fighter, who used to smoke cigarettes and drink constantly, and he beat everybody. He was, like, one of the greatest of all time. He's an incredible, incredible fighter, and f- mostly fought people way bigger than him, way bigger than him. He fought a lot of absolute killers. And he is, like, one of the funniest guys, like, uh, in all of combat sports. He's always, like, got this great sense of humor. He's always joking around with people. There's all these videos of him joking around with fighters. He's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's Japanese.

Michael Malice 9:20 Yeah. I went to Numazu, which is this little port town. Um, and it looked like something out of Lovecraft 'cause it's clearly, like, declining. So, you go down the main street all the way to the ocean and everything's ... Or the sea, rather. Everything is closed, all boarded up, 'cause that's the, uh, world's only deep sea aquarium.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Oh.

Michael Malice 9:36 And I'm into that c- that very much. And I'm like, "All right, we gotta go to Numazu while we're there."

Joe Rogan 9:40 How do they do it? How does a deep-

Michael Malice 9:42 I-

Joe Rogan 9:42 ... sea aquarium work? How deep does the water get?

Michael Malice 9:44 The ... Well, the thing is, the fish are ... I guess they're caught with bycatch 'cause the issue is the pressure, right? You bring them up, their eyes explode, their stomachs explode.

Joe Rogan 9:51 Yeah.

Michael Malice 9:51 I don't know how they had the things that they had in those tanks. Like, the tanks are not pressurized. It's not possible. But they had a lot of insanely cool shit there.

Joe Rogan 9:59 So, do the fish adapt, do you think?

Michael Malice 10:00 I- I- I ... Maybe these are fish that ... But no, some d- ... The batfish are like ... don't mi- vertically ... Some fish vertically migrate, right? They-

Joe Rogan 10:06 Have you ever been to the one that's in the, the Mandalay Bay in Vegas?

Michael Malice 10:10 Which ... No, I don't think I have.

Joe Rogan 10:11 That's fucking incredible.

Michael Malice 10:12 But it's not like this. This is the only one.

Joe Rogan 10:14 Oh, sure.

Michael Malice 10:14 This is the only on Earth.

Joe Rogan 10:15 There's a- the- the one-

Michael Malice 10:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:15 ... in Mandalay Bay is sharks. Holy shit, look at that thing.

Michael Malice 10:18 That's a coelacanth.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Yeah, that's the one that they thought was extinct.

Michael Malice 10:21 Right, uh, for s- ... What, 65 million years. So, it's just an amazing, amazing place. And the thing is, right around the corner-

Joe Rogan 10:26 God, how cool is that?

Michael Malice 10:27 It was so cool. And it-

Joe Rogan 10:28 What a cool fish that is. That is an old-ass fish. (laughs)

Michael Malice 10:31 Yeah, 'cause it's g-

Joe Rogan 10:32 Tha- that fish is from, like, the beginning of life.

Michael Malice 10:34 And they've got lobed fins. There's only, there's only two fish that still have lobed fins.

Joe Rogan 10:38 What does that mean?

Michael Malice 10:39 You can see how there's like an ar- ... Like, the- the fin does not-

Joe Rogan 10:41 Oh, like, like a w- ... Oh, it has bones that stick out.

Michael Malice 10:44 Yeah, the fi- the fin doesn't attach directly to the body. There's like a lobe. So them-

Joe Rogan 10:47 Oh, I see.

Michael Malice 10:47 ... them and lungfish are the only ones who have that anymore.

Joe Rogan 10:50 The coelacanth, I think it has bones in there because th- like ... You know, there's-

Michael Malice 10:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 ... a lot of these animals ... One of the weirdest ones is, like, there was an animal that became a whale, and it was a land animal.

Michael Malice 10:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:00 You know about that one?

Michael Malice 11:00 Of course. It was like a, like a hippo kinda thing.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Yeah, weird fucking looking thing.

Michael Malice 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 And that thing became a whale. And it was a carnivore.

Michael Malice 11:06 Yeah. Well, whale's a carnivore.

Joe Rogan 11:07 I know, which is nuts, right? But they kind of are. They- they're sweet about it. They only eat the little bitch ass creatures.

Michael Malice 11:12 Not the sperm whales.

Joe Rogan 11:13 Not the sperm whales? What do they eat? Fish?

Michael Malice 11:14 Giant squid.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Do the ... Oh, that's right. They do.

Michael Malice 11:16 And they shoot son- sonic waves that, like, boil the water.

Joe Rogan 11:19 What?

Michael Malice 11:20 Yeah, sperm whales ...

Joe Rogan 11:21 Sonic waves and they boil the water? Really?

Michael Malice 11:23 Like, a sperm whale can kill you by just vibrating the ... Like, the ... Like, there was a diver who was with him and he f- ... You ... They can fuck you up really bad.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Wow.

Michael Malice 11:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:31 No shit.

Michael Malice 11:32 Oh, yeah, 'cause they're ... What? They're like, what, 80 feet? And they're-

Joe Rogan 11:35 They're huge.

Michael Malice 11:35 ... they're entire, like, bulbous nose is to have this, to ... Yeah, there you go.

Joe Rogan 11:40 Whoa. Acoustic prey debilitation hypothesis, or the big bang theory. The theory states that sperm whales can produce ultrasonic noises that are too high in frequency for humans to hear, and that these sounds can create shockwaves that could injure prey. However, some studies have not found evidence to support this theory. Can-

Michael Malice 11:58 There was a diver.

Joe Rogan 11:58 Can you show more so we can finally-

Michael Malice 11:59 There was ... There was a diver who had it happen. Like, this was part of Blue Planet or one of those BBC shows.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Mm-hmm. Well, I- I mean, it kinda makes sense.

Michael Malice 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:10 I mean, especially when you look at the size of their mouth and this ... the noises they make.

Narrator 12:14 Sperm whales can reach up to 200-

Joe Rogan 12:16 How cool is that?

Michael Malice 12:18 I have a sperm whale tooth for my shaving brush.

Joe Rogan 12:20 And how wild is it that that fucking thing breathes air? And that thing used to be on land, and it's like, "Nah, I'm gonna go hang out here and change-"

Michael Malice 12:28 There is-

Joe Rogan 12:28 "... everything."

Michael Malice 12:28 There is that meme about the fish went to the land and you evolved to go back to the sea, but you're not as good as you were before because you don't have gills.

Joe Rogan 12:34 (laughs)

Michael Malice 12:34 Then you become a penguin. It's a whole... (laughs) Then you can't do either.

Joe Rogan 12:37 (laughs)

Michael Malice 12:37 It's a whole thing. No, but it's- it's you, um... So the thing I wanna talk about Numazu, there was this little sushi place that I spent 15 minutes looking up this place because I wanna give the guy a shout out, called Iriichi, I-R-I-I-C-H-I. It's in Japanese on Google Maps. And it's just a dude and two tables, and he's been there for 30 years, and he goes to-

Joe Rogan 12:57 Wow.

Michael Malice 12:57 ... the fish market. He marinades the fish. It was one of the best experiences of my life. But they were having so much fun. The waitress, you know, this... It's like him and the waitress, and she goes ev- And she's got her, like, broken English. She goes, "Every morning he goes to fish market, serious face, serious face, and picks out the fish." And he was delighted to be like, "Try my food." Like, he puts joy into his work.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Nah. You saw Jiro Dreams of Sushi, right?

Michael Malice 13:22 Well, I put in my phone, "I like you better than Jiro," and I-

Joe Rogan 13:25 (laughs)

Michael Malice 13:25 And he lost it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:28 Well, Jiro's probably like the guy now where all the other, like, sort of incognito sushi places that are legendary, they're like, "Hey, what the fuck?"

Michael Malice 13:36 I don't... I think Jiro... The thing, Jiro seems like it wouldn't be fun. It feels like you're taking a test.

Joe Rogan 13:43 In what way? 'Cause he's so serious about it?

Michael Malice 13:44 'Cause he's so serious.

Joe Rogan 13:45 Yeah.

Michael Malice 13:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:45 I know what you're saying. So this guy was more fun?

Michael Malice 13:48 Yeah. And I, the thing I- I found is a lot of these high-end places, you should know this better than I do, they're not all stuffy. A lot of times, they're- they know how to have a good time.

Joe Rogan 13:56 Oh, yeah.

Michael Malice 13:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Do you know, uh, Wagyu Mafia?

Michael Malice 13:59 Where's that? No.

Joe Rogan 14:00 Okay, Wagyu Mafia is a Tokyo establishment, and they did a-

Michael Malice 14:04 Here?

Joe Rogan 14:04 ... a pop-in in Austin-

Michael Malice 14:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 14:06 ... at, um, at Pasta Bar. So Pasta Bar, do you know Philip Franklin Li? He's the guy that owned Sushi... He- he started here with, um, Sushi Bar, and then he became... He branched out into his own thing, which is Sushi By Scratch, and he also does this other thing in town called Pasta Bar. And at Pasta Bar, they brought in this Wagyu Mafia guy, and they, like, put on a fucking show. Like, this is-

Michael Malice 14:29 But it's fun. Look, they're smiling, right?

Joe Rogan 14:31 It was me and Sigara-

Michael Malice 14:31 Everyone's having a good time.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Oh, my God, it was so fun. It was so silly.

Michael Malice 14:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:35 Yeah, everything was silly. They feed you sometimes, and it's like- it's like they blow gold dust all over the air. It's not stuffy at all. So he's like the complete opposite of Jiro Dreams of Sushi, but insane experience.

Michael Malice 14:46 But Jiro's not what Japan... I thought Japan was gonna be like Jiro-

Joe Rogan 14:49 Right.

Michael Malice 14:49 ... and it wasn't. And I really-

Joe Rogan 14:50 Oh, dude's making swords. (laughs)

Michael Malice 14:53 (laughs) Like, if I don't like the food, he just stabs himself in the stomach.

Joe Rogan 14:55 No, but, like, dude's, like, fucking hammering out swords. That's what I think about. You know, I think about, like, the craftsmanship and the seriousness and the...

Michael Malice 15:02 But, dude, they're so- Like, the economics of the place, I don't understand, 'cause they have these big, um, like, build- like, office buildings like in- like- like, in Herald Square in New York. And there'll be, like, 13 floors, and each floor has, like, six rooms. You can take an elevator, and it's a guy, no windows, two tables and a bar. And I grew up on, like, role-playing games. It's like the guy in the armor shop, like, he's always there. Like, I don't know what his life is, but he takes pride in his cocktails. There's just room for five people. I don't know how he stays in business, but there's hundreds of them.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Wow.

Michael Malice 15:32 It's a, it's... And it's so... Everyone's... The thing that r- angered me, as a former New Yorker, you're out at night, everyone's out in the streets, everyone's plastered, everyone's having fun, and it's perfectly safe. So when you look at New York and San Fran and LA, this is- this is completely on purpose. Like, it does not have to be this way. It was such a great time.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Is it on purpose or is it neglect that no one steps in to correct?

Michael Malice 16:00 If you're arresting someone 30 times and putting them back on the street, like, that's on purpose.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Right, but that's the officer that's doing that, and it's the-

Michael Malice 16:09 No, it's not the officer, the prosecutor.

Joe Rogan 16:09 It's the police department and the prosecutor and the district attorney, but then there's the politicians that are, like, in control of these- these areas, and then there's a tone that these areas have that's being controlled by the district attorney-

Michael Malice 16:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:23 ... by how they prosecute things.

Michael Malice 16:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:24 And all this is all- all very, very political.

Michael Malice 16:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:27 So that part of the part, that's the part that made it looks like, it looks like you guys-

Michael Malice 16:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:31 ... want it to be like that.

Michael Malice 16:31 Yes. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Because he's not course-correcting at all.

Michael Malice 16:34 At all.

Joe Rogan 16:34 But I feel like at this stage, it's gotten, it's so pervasive, like the places where this crime and violence are so bad, and they've been that way for so fucking long, like, it would take a monumental effort that we just aren't capable of doing. Like, we don't have $175 billion to fix all... Oh, wait a minute, we just gave all that money to Ukraine.

Michael Malice 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 Oh wait, we could have fixed it.

Michael Malice 16:58 Yes, very easily.

Joe Rogan 17:00 That's the dumbest part of the argument, you know.

Michael Malice 17:02 And it's not about-

Joe Rogan 17:02 It's like, we don't have the resources for it, but we have all these resources for all these other things. Like, what?

Michael Malice 17:05 And it's- it's a small percent of people causing all the problems, like a Pareto effect, where it's like 20% of people cause 80% of the problems.

Joe Rogan 17:11 Uh-huh.

Michael Malice 17:12 It's not a big... It's not like everyone in New York is a criminal.

Joe Rogan 17:14 No. No, it's- it's a lot of career criminals-

Michael Malice 17:17 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:17 ... in New York, a lot of people that do the break-ins in the cars and stuff like that. They get arrested all the time.

Michael Malice 17:22 What was that guy, Jordan Neely, who, like, tried to kidnap a girl. He punched an old lady in the face for no reason, broke her orbital socket, the one who was killed on the subway by that good Samaritan.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Mm-hmm.

Michael Malice 17:29 It's like, you punch an old lady in the face and break her orbital socket for no reason once, that's a wrap.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Yeah. That guy, he was prosecuted or is being charged. Has he gone through the whole trial?

Michael Malice 17:41 I don't think he has at all. He should be mayor.

Joe Rogan 17:43 So this is the guy that choked the guy to death.

Michael Malice 17:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:46 Looks like he got him in a rear naked choke and didn't let go. What was the g- the cause of death? The guy have a heart attack? Did-

Michael Malice 17:53 That's a good question.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Because a lot of times...

Michael Malice 17:55 Rear naked's hard to kill someone. You gotta really hold on for a long time.

Joe Rogan 17:57 You gotta hold on for quite a while.

Michael Malice 17:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:59 And... But you can have a heart attack if someone's choking you.

Michael Malice 18:02 And you'll feel it. The guy will get loose.

Joe Rogan 18:04 Yeah.

Michael Malice 18:04 You know he's out.

Joe Rogan 18:05 You remember the Eric Garner case?

Michael Malice 18:06 Of course.

Joe Rogan 18:06 That one made me sick.

Michael Malice 18:07 The only person who went to jail was the photographer.

Joe Rogan 18:10 Oh, that's so crazy. Why did he go to jail?

Michael Malice 18:12 Becau- I don't- I don't remember what they got him for, but the cot- the cops didn't, had barely any consequences. The guy died for no reason.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Oh, my God.

Michael Malice 18:20 Uh...

Joe Rogan 18:20 No, n- the guy was just selling loose cigarettes.

Michael Malice 18:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:23 I knew a dude who knew him.

Michael Malice 18:24 ... it's, it's, and it's horrific.

Joe Rogan 18:26 The, the, it's horrific and it's also, it's like, they try to pretend that wasn't a choke. Like, come on, man. You know how to choke people.

Michael Malice 18:32 But even if it w- y- you-

Joe Rogan 18:33 You, you choked him. But-

Michael Malice 18:34 He's selling cigarettes. Calm down.

Joe Rogan 18:36 ... but the thing is, loose cigarettes.

Michael Malice 18:37 It's nothing.

Joe Rogan 18:37 And it's like, what is it? i- it's interfering with the business next to it where he buys his cigarettes? What are you gonna do?

Michael Malice 18:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:44 You know? Is there, in there, isn't there worse problems in this fucking world?

Michael Malice 18:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Than some guy who's an entrepreneur? You don't have to buy the cigarettes from that guy.

Michael Malice 18:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:50 You don't have to.

Michael Malice 18:50 And he wasn't in the store.

Joe Rogan 18:51 He's just selling loose cigarettes.

Michael Malice 18:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Like, if somebody doesn't have enough money for a pack of cigarettes, but they have enough money for two cigarettes, this guy'll sell them two cigarettes.

Michael Malice 18:58 And I also think it's insane to make cigarettes more expensive on purpose for, to screw with poor people.

Joe Rogan 19:04 They do?

Michael Malice 19:05 That's the point.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Wait a minute.

Michael Malice 19:06 They sin taxes, yes.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Oh, oh, I see. I see what you're saying.

Michael Malice 19:10 They, they wanna make it really hard to buy cig-

Joe Rogan 19:12 Taxes.

Michael Malice 19:12 Yeah, they want-

Joe Rogan 19:13 So-

Michael Malice 19:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Well, it's just that they know that people are hooked, and they can just steal money from you. That's really what it is. They know you're hooked on cigarettes.

Michael Malice 19:19 No, no, no. It's these g- th- it's not the tobacco companies that are setting the selling price.

Joe Rogan 19:23 Right.

Michael Malice 19:23 It's the governments.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Right.

Michael Malice 19:24 They want it as expensive as possible, 'cause the idea, like Bloomberg says, is so it's harder for people to g- to keep, to commit into this habit.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Oh, that's interesting. I, I think it's, that's a nice excuse for we know they are gonna keep buying cigarettes as a good way to generate revenue.

Michael Malice 19:38 I don't think it's an excuse at all. This is the guy who banned Big Gulps.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Hm. Do you think h- think he banned Big Gulps because of insurance companies?

Michael Malice 19:45 No, I think he banned good, Big Gulps 'cause he's a goody two-shoes and thinks he knows best for everybody.

Joe Rogan 19:50 Yeah. But when I hear things like that, I'm always like, okay, what's the financial incentive behind that? Because insurance companies could be like, "You know what? People are dying all the time, and one of the big causes is obesity. And one of the big problems with obesity is people drink, like, Big Gulps." Like, this is why you get ob- like, this is why they made seatbelt laws. They didn't make seatbelt laws to make us safe. They make seatbelt laws because of insurance companies.

Michael Malice 20:11 Oh, I thought you meant they made, or they're gonna say they made seatbelt laws 'cause fatties can't fit into them.

Joe Rogan 20:15 (laughs)

Michael Malice 20:15 So as to wipe out the fatties. (laughs) I'm like, all right. I can, there's a eugenics thing going on here. I can see it.

Joe Rogan 20:21 No. It's, uh, I mean-

Michael Malice 20:23 I, but I-

Joe Rogan 20:23 If they're trying to outlaw Big Gulps, I feel like, first of all, fuck you.

Michael Malice 20:28 Right. Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:28 Right? If I want a Big Gulp, I know it's bad for me. You know, if you outlaw Big Gulps, but you don't outlaw that Dunkin' Donuts blizzard thing. You know that one?

Michael Malice 20:35 Oh, God. What is it, like, 1500 calories?

Joe Rogan 20:37 It's, no, no, no. It's probably like thousands. But it's 186 grams of sugar?

Michael Malice 20:44 Holy crap.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Is that what it is? What is the ... It's so crazy, you s- there's a dude who did a YouTube video, and he shows the actual sugar that's in the drink next to the drink. It's fucking half sugar, man.

Michael Malice 20:53 And it's like three Big Macs. And you think 'cause you're drinking it, it can't be that bad.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Yeah, it's-

Michael Malice 20:57 That's the thing.

Joe Rogan 20:58 B- Big Macs are way better for you.

Michael Malice 21:00 Yes, which is crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Big Macs are fucking, like, grass-fed meat. Um-

Michael Malice 21:03 I don't like ... The thing that's insane is-

Joe Rogan 21:05 14 donuts.

Michael Malice 21:06 I've had-

Joe Rogan 21:06 (laughs)

Michael Malice 21:08 How is that even, like-

Joe Rogan 21:09 It's so crazy! They just filled it up with sugar. Jamie, see if you can find the video-

Michael Malice 21:13 1000 calories.

Narrator 21:15 I thought there was-

Joe Rogan 21:15 It's only 1000?

Narrator 21:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:17 The, that's not, that's not the Blizzard though, is it?

Narrator 21:20 No, no.

Joe Rogan 21:20 The Blizzard's the big bad, big bad boy. Um, see if you can find the video of the guy showing the sugar content in the Blizzard. There's a video of this dude who does it online. I think it's the one ... Yeah, that's it.

Narrator 21:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Right there. Look at all that fucking sugar!

Narrator 21:34 100- 181 grams of sugar.

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs)

Narrator 21:37 That's nearly three quarters of a two liter bottle of Coke. Let's measure that.

Joe Rogan 21:42 Look at all this sugar!

Michael Malice 21:44 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Look, just imagine eating all that sugar in one session. Holy fuck that's bad for you. (laughs)

Michael Malice 21:51 Holy f- it's, it's just bulking.

Joe Rogan 21:53 And, dude. If you don't eat that way all the time, like I had a milkshake, a, like a big ass chocolate milkshake. I don't really do that most of the time. And it was like I got hit with a tranquilizer dart. I was like, "Oh my God."

Michael Malice 22:06 Well, for me, I have a big sweet tooth.

Joe Rogan 22:08 Ugh!

Michael Malice 22:08 But if I, if I, sometimes I might go on a binge and just eat bags of gummy candy. I am wired.

Joe Rogan 22:14 Wired? For how long, though?

Michael Malice 22:15 A, a while. It's, it's a while.

Joe Rogan 22:17 But you don't crash afterwards?

Michael Malice 22:18 No, I go to bed. I do this for ... If I'm binging-

Joe Rogan 22:20 (laughs)

Michael Malice 22:20 ... I'm like, it's time for bed. Yeah. I don't binge during the day.

Joe Rogan 22:23 I've heard people say that, like eating a high carb meal before bed. I've heard people talk about doing that. They eat a high carb meal so that their insulin spikes, and then they just fucking crash afterwards.

Michael Malice 22:32 I don't, I don't sleep issues, so I, I, I feel bad for people who do.

Joe Rogan 22:36 It's a rough thing to have, man.

Michael Malice 22:37 I had Honey Smacks cereal, and the first ingredient is sugar.

Narrator 22:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Michael Malice 22:42 And I'm, I'm thinking to myself like, "How are these being held together?"

Joe Rogan 22:45 (laughs)

Michael Malice 22:45 'Cause they don't look like sugar cubes.

Joe Rogan 22:47 It's mostly sugar.

Michael Malice 22:47 It looks like grains.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Ugh.

Michael Malice 22:49 How is that even physically possible?

Narrator 22:50 It used to be called Sugar Smacks.

Michael Malice 22:51 Oh, yeah!

Narrator 22:52 And then they had to change the name.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Ah! (laughs)

Michael Malice 22:52 Sugarbear was the name.

Joe Rogan 22:54 They were so good!

Michael Malice 22:55 And then Sugar Golden Crisps or something, whatever they, they-

Joe Rogan 22:58 Well, we used to eat Frosted Flakes, and then we would put sugar on the Frosted Flakes. Ugh! Oh!

Michael Malice 23:05 I eat Lucky Charms still, and they're really good.

Joe Rogan 23:07 It's fucking good, man!

Michael Malice 23:09 It's good! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:10 It should be legal.

Michael Malice 23:11 And you mix it with your protein drinks.

Joe Rogan 23:13 People just-

Michael Malice 23:13 That way you get your protein.

Joe Rogan 23:14 First of all, we, people need access to real food primarily. But every now and then, a fucking Blizzard from Dunkin' Donuts should be on the menu. If you want to, you should be able to. It's ridiculous. But look, if you wanna have a ... Uh, you know what I love? Tiramisu. That's my favorite dessert.

Michael Malice 23:30 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:30 Oh, I fucking love it. And if I'm stuffed, it's the end of the meal, and they, and you know, it's at an Italian place, and you open up the ... Oh, fucking tiramisu.

Michael Malice 23:38 But it's also kind of crazy, 'cause like tiramisu, I love key lime pie.

Joe Rogan 23:41 I love key lime pie.

Michael Malice 23:42 I could have like three bags of candy. Like, it looks like, 'cause it's cake-

Joe Rogan 23:45 Right.

Michael Malice 23:45 ... you think, "Oh, it's not that bad for you." It's like-

Joe Rogan 23:47 Oh, it's filled with sugar.

Michael Malice 23:48 It's just, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Tiramisu is so much sugar, but it's so good.

Michael Malice 23:52 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Oh my God, it's so good. Those ladyfingers that are dipped in espresso.

Michael Malice 23:56 What about in those-

Joe Rogan 23:57 Oh!

Michael Malice 23:57 ... all those steak houses, where their chocolate cake's like 1500 calories a slice?

Joe Rogan 24:01 (laughs)

Michael Malice 24:01 And I'm like, "How are you doing this mathematically?"

Joe Rogan 24:04 American steak houses, like, they are trying to kill you.

Michael Malice 24:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:09 They're trying to get you-

Michael Malice 24:10 Wait, where's the tin foil hat?

Joe Rogan 24:12 They're trying to stuff you as much as possible. Like if you, and I mean it in the best possible way. But if you go to like, uh, in town. Like say if you go to Eddie V's.

Michael Malice 24:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:21 You go to Eddie V's, and you get the lobster mashed potatoes and the real ... You can't stop eating. You cannot stop eating.

Michael Malice 24:27 They have the, um, calorie counts at Eddie V's.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Do they?

Michael Malice 24:30 Which is useful.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Well, my, if I don't have glasses on, I can't read that shit.

Michael Malice 24:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:33 They make it a little tiny, (laughs) little tiny numbers next to the food.... get the fuck out of here.

Michael Malice 24:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:38 But if, if, you know, if you go to another country, they don't eat like us. Like, we eat like slobs.

Michael Malice 24:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:45 You know? We have giant ass pizzas and-

Michael Malice 24:47 That's why you should go to Japan.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Oh, very, very, very much more disciplined than us.

Michael Malice 24:51 I had-

Joe Rogan 24:52 You don't see fat people as much.

Michael Malice 24:53 I had, I had whale eight ways.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Oh, wow.

Michael Malice 24:55 It was really-

Joe Rogan 24:56 You ate whale?

Michael Malice 24:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Whoa. That's weird.

Michael Malice 24:57 Apparently, whale is like a poor people food there.

Joe Rogan 25:00 Wow. But they're our homies. Why you eating our homies?

Michael Malice 25:03 Well, you're in Japan, you know? Gotta do as the Japanese do.

Joe Rogan 25:06 I wonder how smart they really are.

Michael Malice 25:07 They're pretty smart.

Joe Rogan 25:08 'Cause people always say that whales are super smart. The, but, you know, it's just because they can communicate and we, it's a, uh, we have a weird definition of intelligence, right? Because we really favor things that can control their environment and change their environment, like build houses and structures.

Michael Malice 25:23 Not necessarily. Ants do that. We don't think ants are smart.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah, but we do. We do think they're smart.

Michael Malice 25:27 No, we don't.

Joe Rogan 25:27 We think they're smart in a weird way.

Michael Malice 25:29 Well, th- they're skilled.

Joe Rogan 25:31 It's not just they're skilled. They know how to make these chambers that ferment leaves-

Michael Malice 25:36 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:36 ... and they have a, a, like the leafcutter ants do.

Michael Malice 25:38 Yes. I was watching with them last night. That's really creepy you brought that up.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Fucking incredible.

Michael Malice 25:42 'Cause I, there's a video about how did this evolve. 'Cause the, the fungus-

Joe Rogan 25:45 Right.

Michael Malice 25:45 ... that's in the leafcutter ant colony is not the same species any longer as this fungus that's outside.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Right. So intelligence is not the right word. You're right. The, the right word is capable of incredible order and they have a pattern in their mind they follow, much like bees. Like, you don't have to teach bees how to make beehives. They make beehives everywhere.

Michael Malice 26:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:05 All over the fucking place.

Michael Malice 26:06 And it-

Joe Rogan 26:06 So it's some h- it's, so they're making a structure.

Michael Malice 26:09 What is it they're some animal? Is it the puffer fish, where they gave them, like, Ritalin?

Joe Rogan 26:14 Yeah.

Michael Malice 26:14 Or they gave them, like, um, Lexapro, something, and the patterns all changed?

Joe Rogan 26:19 Oh, wow.

Michael Malice 26:19 Like, they gave them some SSRI, something it, whatever it was-

Joe Rogan 26:22 Oh, wow.

Michael Malice 26:22 ... and it changed how they cr- like spiderwebs maybe it was, and it changed how they made-

Joe Rogan 26:25 Oh, yes. They definitely did that with spiderwebs.

Michael Malice 26:27 That's what it was. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 I saw them, there's a bunch of different things they did with spiderwebs, and one of them, they gave it LSD.

Michael Malice 26:32 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:32 They gave the spider LSD.

Michael Malice 26:33 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 The fucking spider's like, "Wah!" (laughs)

Michael Malice 26:36 (laughs) I got eight legs and eight eyes.

Joe Rogan 26:38 (laughs) He remembers when he was, like, a shitty shopkeeper in a past life.

Michael Malice 26:42 Oh, yeah. There it is. Yeah. Thank you j- yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Yeah. There it is.

Michael Malice 26:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:44 So normal, marijuana. Marijuana sucks. Looks, it's terrible. Uh, Benzedrine.

Michael Malice 26:49 What's that, an upper, Benzes?

Joe Rogan 26:51 Um, I don't know what, it's, that-

Michael Malice 26:53 Is that, it's like a '70s thing.

Joe Rogan 26:53 That's not Benzo- diazepine, right? Benzodiazepine is, uh, Xanax. What's a Benzedrine, Jamie?

Michael Malice 26:59 It's an upper.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Look at caffeine. Caffeine's, caffeine's all over the place. Chloral hydrate. Who's getting high on chloral hydrate?

Michael Malice 27:04 What is chloral hydrate?

Joe Rogan 27:05 I have no idea. What's chloral hydrate, Jamie?

Michael Malice 27:10 What's Benzo-

Joe Rogan 27:11 How weird is it that they pick chloral hydrate? You know, why wouldn't you, uh, pick alcohol?

Michael Malice 27:15 Well, you'd probably kill it, right?

Joe Rogan 27:17 I think it's ill- maybe right.

Narrator 27:19 Sedative.

Michael Malice 27:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Sedative. Treat, short term treatment of insomnia. There you go.

Michael Malice 27:23 So is Benzedrine an upper? It must be. Benzos, that's a thing from the '70s. They were all on them.

Joe Rogan 27:28 Well, I think that's benzodiazepine though. I think Benzos-

Michael Malice 27:32 It's an amphetamine. Okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:34 ... Benzedrine.

Michael Malice 27:35 Okay.

Narrator 27:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah. I don't think that's Benzos though. Is that a Benzo? What is a Benzo?

Michael Malice 27:38 A Benzo's an upper.

Narrator 27:40 No, that's, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 27:40 I- is it? I thought it was, uh, Xanax. 'Cause Benzo, it's 'cause, uh-

Michael Malice 27:47 You guys are, we're like sch-

Joe Rogan 27:47 There's obviously a bunch of Benzos-

Michael Malice 27:48 We're like, we're like school moms.

Narrator 27:49 Yeah. There's extra, the diazes in there.

Michael Malice 27:51 Oh, the Benzes are depressants. That's interesting.

Narrator 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 That's the, that's a Xanax.

Michael Malice 27:54 Benzodiazepines.

Narrator 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Produce a... So that's Benzos, when people say the term Benzos?

Michael Malice 27:57 Or downers.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Okay.

Michael Malice 27:59 What's a black beauty? 'Cause that's what they all used to take in the '70s.

Joe Rogan 28:02 I don't know. I think that's speed.

Michael Malice 28:03 Is that speed?

Joe Rogan 28:03 Isn't that speed?

Michael Malice 28:03 I think so.

Joe Rogan 28:04 A lot of guys took speed and played pool. It was a big thing with the guys would play on amphetamines.

Michael Malice 28:09 I know one time, The Go-Go's took a bunch of downers and they had to perform sitting down on chairs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:14 Oh, that's hilarious.

Narrator 28:14 It was amphetamine.

Michael Malice 28:15 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:15 << Our lips are sealed. >>

Michael Malice 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 (laughs) Uh, black capsule.

Narrator 28:20 Xanax.

Michael Malice 28:20 Amphetamines. Okay, uppers.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Uh, yeah. Dextroamphetamine. Yeah.

Michael Malice 28:25 Okay.

Narrator 28:25 It was 10 of them.

Joe Rogan 28:26 These guys who would pool on it, they said that makes them see angles better.

Michael Malice 28:29 Well, 'cause like speed-

Joe Rogan 28:30 You could see the edges.

Michael Malice 28:30 ... it's like Ritalin.

Joe Rogan 28:31 I've never done Ritalin either.

Michael Malice 28:32 No, but, or like a Adderall. Excuse me.

Joe Rogan 28:34 I've never done Adderall.

Michael Malice 28:35 Neither have I, but you know people-

Joe Rogan 28:36 I'm scared of it.

Michael Malice 28:36 ... you're crazy focused.

Joe Rogan 28:37 I am scared of that.

Michael Malice 28:38 Why are you scared of focus?

Joe Rogan 28:39 With the same reason why I don't do, I've never done cocaine.

Michael Malice 28:41 Oh, you've never done cocaine?

Joe Rogan 28:42 No.

Michael Malice 28:44 Ne- haven't been to Japan. Haven't been, done cocaine.

Joe Rogan 28:47 First of all, sir, cocaine's illegal.

Michael Malice 28:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:49 Son of a bitch. Second of all, uh.

Michael Malice 28:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:54 (laughs) I think I'd like it.

Michael Malice 28:55 No, you wouldn't.

Joe Rogan 28:56 Yeah. I'm sure I'd like it.

Michael Malice 28:57 No, you wouldn't. Not to the extent that people ruin their lives. It's the-

Joe Rogan 29:00 Oh, I wouldn't ruin my life.

Michael Malice 29:00 ... it's the stupidest drug.

Joe Rogan 29:02 Yeah. I'm not, I'm not really interested in ruining my life. But I would recognize that this is probably a lot of fun.

Michael Malice 29:08 It's not.

Joe Rogan 29:09 But how come p- so many people say it is?

Michael Malice 29:11 I don't know. It's not fun at all, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 29:13 For you.

Michael Malice 29:14 It's not. It's, it would not be fun for you. I promise you.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Have you ever heard the Buckcherry song, Cocaine?

Michael Malice 29:18 Mm-mm. With, with the-

Joe Rogan 29:19 All Lit Up?

Michael Malice 29:20 No.

Joe Rogan 29:20 You know that song?

Michael Malice 29:20 No.

Joe Rogan 29:20 That song makes me wanna do coke.

Michael Malice 29:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:23 (laughs)

Michael Malice 29:23 The idea of coke is a lot-

Joe Rogan 29:25 Let's play the song.

Narrator 29:26 I was already on the way.

Joe Rogan 29:27 Okay, let's-

Michael Malice 29:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:28 I fucking love Buckcherry. There was, uh, a friend of mine told me a story. He was in, uh, Alcohols Anonymous meeting, and, uh, the dude from Buckcherry was there.

Michael Malice 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 And, uh, this model went on stage, and she was telling her sober stories and she was saying, "I was just doing coke and just fucking all these rock stars," and he goes, "Yeah!" (laughs)

Michael Malice 29:55 In the middle of an AA meeting.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Now, again, this is secondhand. I don't know if this is true-

Michael Malice 30:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:01 ... but I love these guys. Come on.

Michael Malice 30:02 Yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Son, that makes me wanna do blow. (laughs)

Michael Malice 30:04 I, I, (laughs) I interviewed Belinda Carlisle from The Go-Go's 'cause she was a coke head. And I said, "Explain this to me, 'cause if it's a rock star who's a dude, he's having coke orgies with all these chicks."

Joe Rogan 30:16 But-

Michael Malice 30:16 "You're a girl. You're not ha- having them run train on you. Like, literally what would you do?" And she said, "I would go in my hotel room, take the phone off the hook, close the blinds, and pace like an animal." And I go, "Oh, that sounds like a lot of fun." She goes, "Oh, yeah. It was a blast."

Joe Rogan 30:31 (exhales) .

Michael Malice 30:31 So when I tell you you're not gonna like it, it's like giving yourself a panic attack.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Yeah. But some people love it.

Michael Malice 30:39 I, I-... I, I know you well enough to tell you you're not going to like it.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Good, thank you.

Michael Malice 30:44 Like, it's not-

Joe Rogan 30:45 Well, I wasn't gonna try it anyway. But the-

Michael Malice 30:47 Not even on a bucket list thing?

Joe Rogan 30:48 Nope. For the same reason why I won't try Adderall. The Adderall seems-

Michael Malice 30:51 That's different.

Joe Rogan 30:52 ... much more-

Michael Malice 30:52 Adderall, you would like.

Joe Rogan 30:53 That's the problem.

Michael Malice 30:54 'Cause there's upsides.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Oh, okay. Yeah, the productivity part.

Michael Malice 30:56 There's a lot of upsides, yeah. And you're like, "Oh, shit." Anything, Adderall helps you, like underst- I've never done it, helps you understand your brain better. 'Cause you're li- like you see yourself, like, "Oh, this is how my brain's working," and whatever. Coke is just like, you're just wading through more coke. And I- I'm not... It's just, I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Expand on that. Like, so Adderall helps you know how your brain's working?

Michael Malice 31:17 You know how, like, when you're any, kind of altered consciousness, you realize that your brain has a character of its own? And like, most people aren't introspective and just take their thoughts for granted. But people who, like, work with psychedelics, things like that, realize, okay, there's ways I can have different perceptions, different focuses-

Joe Rogan 31:34 Right.

Michael Malice 31:34 ... different, different senses of self in relation to the world, things like that.

Joe Rogan 31:37 Right.

Michael Malice 31:37 Adderall, from my understanding, it's like, it's like that movie Limitless is based on Adderall, right?

Joe Rogan 31:42 Oh. I thought that was based on, um, that other shit. Um, new- New Vigil? Yeah. Provigil and New Vigil.

Michael Malice 31:50 Maybe I'm wrong.

Joe Rogan 31:51 I don't know either.

Michael Malice 31:52 Point being, when you, when you take it, you supposedly are super focused, but you realize, okay, I can fine tune, like, the speed of my thinking.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Hm.

Michael Malice 32:02 So that's fascinating, that your brain has like, like a bike, has different speeds, if I'm using that metaphor correctly.

Joe Rogan 32:07 There's no way too many people that enjoy it on a regular basis.

Michael Malice 32:10 Yeah. And it's, I had a friend who got hooked on it. And she was like, "This is bad." Like-

Joe Rogan 32:14 It just seems to keep them going (imitates machine whirring) all day.

Michael Malice 32:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:17 High achievers.

Michael Malice 32:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:19 People who really run their-

Michael Malice 32:19 Coke doesn't do that.

Joe Rogan 32:20 A lot of journalists.

Michael Malice 32:21 And a lot of college kids now.

Joe Rogan 32:23 A lot of college kids.

Michael Malice 32:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Malice 32:24 They used to be Coke heads when we were kids. Now they're on Adderall.

Joe Rogan 32:27 I've asked friends who've done it and gone on stage, they said never again. Anybody's ever, like, gone on stage on Adderall? They're like, "No."

Michael Malice 32:33 What, really? Why?

Joe Rogan 32:34 Yeah. Like, not having fun, too tense.

Michael Malice 32:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Just not, not, like, silly. Not, like, you gotta be-

Michael Malice 32:40 You're loose. You're wired.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Yeah.

Michael Malice 32:41 You're clenching your jaw.

Joe Rogan 32:43 (screams)

Michael Malice 32:43 Yeah, that's what I'm saying you wouldn't like Coke.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Yeah.

Michael Malice 32:45 I'm surprised you don't wanna just try everything once.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Nah.

Michael Malice 32:49 (nasally sound) What was that noise? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:51 I'm busy.

Michael Malice 32:52 (Nasally sound) I got Netflix special coming up.

Joe Rogan 32:55 I can't try everything once, 'cause you'd be trying too many things.

Michael Malice 32:58 There's not that many.

Joe Rogan 32:58 And then you, you'd have to recover. I have responsibilities. But I do... I do think that having all these things illegal, or having most of them illegal, is a fucking travesty.

Michael Malice 33:11 I agree with you as an anarchist, but then what happened in Portland, or wherever, Seattle it was, was a real problem.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Yeah, but that also coincided with terrible leadership, where the mayor was saying, when they took over a giant swath of the city, that it was the summer of love. Remember that crazy shit?

Michael Malice 33:29 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:29 Those people are retarded.

Michael Malice 33:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Their whole fucking philosophy up there is so stupid, it's a suicide cult. It's, they legitimately are going to destroy their society. And they're all like, "Yay, diversity." They, they'll be waving their fucking pride flags as the, the city sinks into the ocean. They're out of their fucking minds. So you can't look at that place and say, "This is what happens when you make drugs legal." No, that's what happens when you make drugs legal in a place run by maniacs, a place run by people who think it's fun to have tents everywhere and give people money to shoot up and give them clean needles and give them money every month to stay homeless.

Michael Malice 34:08 I, I hear you, but my point is, you and I both know a lot of people who are, like, way deep into psychedelics, right? And if psychedelics become fully legal and corporations take over, there's going to be downsides.

Joe Rogan 34:19 I think if the corporations-

Michael Malice 34:19 They're not for everybody.

Joe Rogan 34:20 ... do the psychedelics, they'll probably have a different approach to how they interact with humanity. If the CEOs and all these people realize, like, you are going to die, and if you're wasting all your time trying to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of every person that interacts with your, your company, you're, you're not living a harmonious life. And it doesn't mean that you can't make a lot of money and sell things. But you can make a lot of money and sell things with a psychedelic capitalist perspective, where you're not trying to do evil, you're just trying to be fair about it.

Michael Malice 34:50 I, I, I agree with everything you said.

Joe Rogan 34:52 All very utopian, though.

Michael Malice 34:53 It's not ut- But I'm saying there's plenty of people who, if they start getting on these drugs and being introspective, they're not gonna like what they see. And there's gonna be a lot of things that come up. And it's not gonna be an easy transition toward a better person, for some of them.

Joe Rogan 35:06 And it'll be much harder to get a good burger.

Michael Malice 35:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:09 (laughs) Those dudes gotta quit those jobs.

Michael Malice 35:13 I'm talking about, like, these corporate people.

Joe Rogan 35:15 I understand.

Michael Malice 35:16 And also, like, you-

Joe Rogan 35:17 But even the corporate people, like-

Michael Malice 35:18 Look what they did with Housewives and all the, and all the speed that they were on.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Oh, yeah. But that's the Housewives' fault. They liked it too much.

Michael Malice 35:24 Yeah, but they were told this is a diet pill.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Well, they... Better that or a lobotomy. Like, we only have a few options back then.

Michael Malice 35:31 I, I don't think... (laughs) I don't think those were the two.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Mother's Little Helper, remember? From Rolling Stones song? I mean, they stopped doing lobotomies in '67. So they were, they were doing lobotomies for like 50 fucking years, just scrambling people's brains.

Michael Malice 35:40 They did it to Rosemary Kennedy.

Joe Rogan 35:42 Didn't they do it because she was promiscuous?

Michael Malice 35:44 And also she was kind of a slow.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Oh.

Michael Malice 35:47 And the thing with the lobotomy, did you know about this? You have to do it when the person's conscious.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Yeah.

Michael Malice 35:51 So she, she had to count backwards, and then she stopped being able to talk.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Oh.

Michael Malice 35:56 And then they pretended she's on sabbatical for 50 years. And then they did the Special Olympics to kind of... 'Cause they felt bad.

Joe Rogan 36:01 Oh my God.

Michael Malice 36:02 Evil, evil family.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Well, it's an evil practice, that, that thing that they would do for people when they had troubles.

Michael Malice 36:08 I, I love the idea... The id- It's just so insane that, like, there's no precision really. You're stabbing them in the-

Joe Rogan 36:14 Scrambling brains.

Michael Malice 36:15 And hoping you hit the right spot. That's not a thing.

Joe Rogan 36:17 I think they're gonna look at that the same way they look at... The way they look at that now they're gonna look at sex change for kids in the future.

Michael Malice 36:24 Yes. Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan 36:25 They're gonna look at all this...

Michael Malice 36:26 Munchausen's by proxy.

Joe Rogan 36:29 Also, there's clearly, like, a mind virus, and it is like a mind virus.I mean, that term mind virus, it sounds like you shouldn't say that because a virus doesn't exist in the mind, it's a different kind of thing than an actual biological virus.

Michael Malice 36:44 Ideas-

Joe Rogan 36:44 But it has the same function. It really does.

Michael Malice 36:46 I- ideas go viral.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Yeah, they do, right?

Michael Malice 36:48 That's the thing, right?

Joe Rogan 36:48 Right.

Michael Malice 36:49 So, so the idea is going viral. And-

Joe Rogan 36:50 Right. They d-

Michael Malice 36:51 ... the thing is, when you and I were kids, as dinosaurs, every girl, or 90% of them had an eating disorder, 'cause she was uncomfortable with how her body's changing, n- unwanted male attention, having that sense of control. It was very common.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Very common.

Michael Malice 37:02 And they gr- a lot of people, it, didn't grow out of it, but most of them did.

Joe Rogan 37:06 Right.

Michael Malice 37:06 Now, if you're uncomfortable with your body, you're gonna be shifted down in this direction in many case, in many such cases.

Joe Rogan 37:13 (laughs)

Michael Malice 37:13 And it's really dis... Uh, Kara Markowitz, who's a journalist, she was a f- uh, neighbor of mine in, in Brooklyn. She said a majority of kids in her daughter's class were identifying as some variant of queer. So she's like, "I'm outta here. I'm going to Florida."

Joe Rogan 37:25 So strange.

Michael Malice 37:27 Strange isn't the word.

Joe Rogan 37:28 It's-

Michael Malice 37:28 It's, it's, it's, it's, uh... And the thing is, with eating-

Joe Rogan 37:31 But it is also strange. It's-

Michael Malice 37:32 With eating disorders, you can get over it, right?

Joe Rogan 37:35 Right. This is gonna cause permanent damage to people.

Michael Malice 37:37 Did you see what this, this evil demon, um, from the LA Times... There was a woman, girl named Chloe Cole, who was a de-transitioner.

Joe Rogan 37:44 I've heard of her.

Michael Malice 37:45 And they had this whole hit piece on her.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Oh, no.

Michael Malice 37:48 And how, oh, she's become beloved by the right. It's like-

Joe Rogan 37:50 (laughs) Oh, my God.

Michael Malice 37:50 ... this is someone telling their s- real per- and she's not unique, telling her story about like, "I wasn't old enough to make these decisions and I'm fucked for life. I'm never gonna have sexual, uh, uh, pleasure, and my body's changed, and I regret this enormously, and I thought I wanted this, and I was wrong." And it's like, oh, th- there's just a hatchet piece. I think her gr- I forgot the girl's name. It's so cruel.

Joe Rogan 38:08 That's horrible. Could you imagine-

Michael Malice 38:10 I ratio that lady.

Joe Rogan 38:11 ... if it was instead the right that was promoting this, how the left would react?

Michael Malice 38:15 The right used to. It was a, uh, j- uh, um, a conversion therapy. This is their version.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Right. Pray- praying the gay away.

Michael Malice 38:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Yeah. But, but not as extreme in the sense that you're not doing surgery on people, and especially on children, and giving them hormone blockers.

Michael Malice 38:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:28 But imagine if that was the right's pers- if the right's perspective was akin to Iran's perspective. So in Iran-

Michael Malice 38:35 That's Iran, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:35 ... you have a very high number of transsexuals.

Michael Malice 38:38 By law.

Joe Rogan 38:39 Because it's illegal to be gay.

Michael Malice 38:41 Right. They mandate it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Now, imagine if that was going on with the right here. They're saying, "No, you can't be gay, but you can be trans, and you can become a woman."

Michael Malice 38:47 Also-

Joe Rogan 38:47 And so they're encouraging it, and then profiting off of it, and then shaming anyone that de-transitions, like that person.

Michael Malice 38:55 Logically, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Imagine if that was all being done by the right.

Michael Malice 38:57 But, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 People would think it's so fucking evil.

Michael Malice 38:59 The thing that's also crazy is w- everyone who questions their gender is trans. No one just has issues with their gender. We... Everyone-

Joe Rogan 39:07 Not only that. There's a lot of data that shows that if you let them... just leave them alone, and let them-

Michael Malice 39:11 Of course.

Joe Rogan 39:11 ... go through puberty and become an adult, they usually become gay.

Michael Malice 39:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 And then a lot of gay people are like, "Hey, this is homophobic. This idea is homophobic." Like, this idea that these people are actually in the wrong body. Like, no, they're gay.

Michael Malice 39:23 And I also talk about this a lot. There's this complete i- it co- insane, insane pretense that taking hormones, even s- the hormones of your own gender, has no downside. So if a male takes testosterone, he's not gonna have any bad side effects. If a female takes estrogen, there's no bad side effects. When women are pregnant and their hormones are a mess, it's all up- upside. But they pretend that like, "Oh, if we just give this person hormones, it's only gonna be a good thing." It's like-

Joe Rogan 39:50 Not just hormones.

Michael Malice 39:51 ... there's a huge cost. But j- not e-

Joe Rogan 39:52 But, but-

Michael Malice 39:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 But the blockers, the blockers are the crazy thing.

Michael Malice 39:56 Well, it's also, they-

Joe Rogan 39:57 Because they are literally chemical castration drugs that they would use for pedophiles. It's the same drugs.

Michael Malice 40:02 But also, Joe, the lie that you can just start puberty later.

Joe Rogan 40:06 It's a lie. Absolutely a lie. You will be-

Michael Malice 40:09 It's-

Joe Rogan 40:09 ... altered forever.

Michael Malice 40:09 As I-

Joe Rogan 40:10 You will never develop.

Michael Malice 40:10 ... as I am proof, if your growth is stunted as a kid, you don't get to grow your full height later. It's... There's a window. Same thing with learning language. These kids who are feral and raised by wolves, they don't later become scholars. They-

Joe Rogan 40:22 Right.

Michael Malice 40:23 L- lose the capacity to speak correctly.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Right.

Michael Malice 40:25 So the brazen lies of, "Well, you could just start puberty later, if that's what you feel like." A gymnast.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Again, imagine this coming from the right. Imagine. So this is why people are so weird, because-

Michael Malice 40:36 And why is this politicized?

Joe Rogan 40:38 I... It's crazy.

Michael Malice 40:39 Right?

Joe Rogan 40:39 It is crazy. Why is it politicized?

Michael Malice 40:40 I- i- if there's kids who have mental illness of some kind-

Joe Rogan 40:43 Right.

Michael Malice 40:43 ... let's get them help.

Joe Rogan 40:44 Right.

Michael Malice 40:44 And everyone's different.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Right. Everyone's different. And the solution isn't necessarily, uh, give a girl a mastectomy when she's 14. That seems insane.

Michael Malice 40:54 Do you know there's... Uh, there's a new one called, uh, uh, neuter.

Joe Rogan 41:01 What?

Michael Malice 41:02 And they remove... make you look like a Barbie or a Ken doll.

Joe Rogan 41:06 Oh, God.

Michael Malice 41:07 And Joe, you know why, why I made that... why I winced? 'Cause you know what's here in Austin? The, the clinic is here.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Oh my god.

Michael Malice 41:14 This is what happens when you're friends with Deborah So, you learn about these things.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Wait a minute. Really? It's called neuter?

Michael Malice 41:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:20 How many people have they done this to?

Michael Malice 41:22 I don't know. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 41:24 (sighs)

Michael Malice 41:24 It's here in Austin. The guy's very proud of himself.

Joe Rogan 41:26 Oh my God.

Michael Malice 41:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 God, that's so weird.

Michael Malice 41:31 No, it's very normal.

Joe Rogan 41:34 (sighs)

Michael Malice 41:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Jesus Christ.

Michael Malice 41:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 41:40 So this is like when you go to visit the Colosseum and you're like, "What happened to these people?"

Michael Malice 41:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:44 This is (laughs) , this is us. This is us. It's just we're very fortunate to be in the middle of it and watching it all play out.

Michael Malice 41:51 There's that meme of Jesus letting himself-

Joe Rogan 41:53 Yeah.

Michael Malice 41:54 ... back to be God. He sent us in, he goes-

Joe Rogan 41:55 Sending the asteroid.

Michael Malice 41:55 No, he goes, "Flood it again."

Joe Rogan 41:57 Oh, that's funny. I've... I saw it send in the asteroid. I saw it the other day. I guess there's a bunch of those.

Michael Malice 42:03 Uh-

Joe Rogan 42:03 Like what the fuck, man?

Michael Malice 42:05 It's, it... when you're deal... the thing is, the gaslighting is what bothers me.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Well, it all bothers me. It all bothers me, the fragility of the human mind, you know, that we're... So everybody forever was like, "Kamala Harris is the worst vice president. She's the least popular vice president of all time." And then, in a moment, a moment in time, all of a sudden, she's our solution. She's our hero. Everybody's with her. All these social media posts about her. Try googling a negative story on her. You won't find one.

Michael Malice 42:41 So-

Joe Rogan 42:42 Ta da!

Michael Malice 42:42 Okay. You've- you've got me started, Officer Harris. So...

Joe Rogan 42:45 (laughs)

Michael Malice 42:46 Uh, they've been doing this live for years. So in 2019, our pal Tulsi, absolutely nuked her in that second debate.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Right.

Michael Malice 42:56 And if you looked at charts at the time, the- she's kinda ... Officer Harris is doing okay. First debate she comes out, "Joe Biden, you're a racist." The Democrats were looking for an alternative to Bernie Sanders that wasn't Biden. She starts going up in the polls, right? Second debate comes out, Tulsi, being a good Hawaiian, knows how to roast a pig-

Joe Rogan 43:14 (laughs)

Michael Malice 43:15 ... just completely slams her. Not only that, she has no counterpunch. She goes on Anderson Cooper and she's like, "Well, I'm a top tier candidate, so of course people are gonna take shots at me." That's her answer. She immediately starts going down in the polls. It's that day, you can see it on the chart. I have it on my Twitter. All the articles at the time that did an autopsy on Kamala Harris's failed campaign didn't mention Tulsi once.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Yeah.

Michael Malice 43:37 It was BBC, LA Times, Reuters, New Yorker. A guy from the Washington Post just did a piece looking back on her campaign, didn't mention Tulsi either.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Isn't that wild?

Michael Malice 43:46 They com- they completely pretend it didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 43:49 (claps hands) Well, it just shows you that what they're looking for is not what they say they're looking for.

Michael Malice 43:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:54 Because she is a strong woman. She is, uh, a person who served overseas twice. She ... In a medical unit, so she got to see people blown up by the war. She is ... Uh, she was a congresswoman for eight years.

Michael Malice 44:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:08 She is a person of color. She's everything you want, all those things you want.

Michael Malice 44:12 But she's not-

Joe Rogan 44:13 And yet you don't want her.

Michael Malice 44:13 Because she's not for war.

Joe Rogan 44:14 Yes.

Michael Malice 44:15 Because she's not for the mission.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Well, she's also just not willing to play ball. There's a game that's being played. And if you're like, "Hey, you're not supposed to fucking move the ball." They're like-

Michael Malice 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... "Oh, look at this bitch over here." Like, "Get out of here. You're gonna fuck up our game." It's not real democracy. It's controlled parties.

Michael Malice 44:31 Did you see that piece by Seymour Hersh that dropped over the weekend about the coup?

Joe Rogan 44:36 Yes. So s- explain to people what Seymour Hersh ... I don't know if he's right, but, uh, he seems to be right a lot.

Michael Malice 44:43 So-

Joe Rogan 44:43 And, uh, he was right about the Nord Stream pipeline, right?

Michael Malice 44:45 What ... Yeah, what he ... So what I was saying, and a lot of other people were saying, is the big issue is how do you get Biden out of the White House? So here is Biden's case. He's like, "Look, I got- I got Trump out of the White House last time. I'm only behind two or three points in the polls. Kamala's polling worse than me in, like, eight out of 10 polls. Uh, I won these delegates. Why the hell should I back down?" And he- he ... That's a very solid case. Uh, Jill, for the first time in her life, people care about her. She matters. As Hunter put it, I have it exactly here, she's a "selfish, silly, entitled cunt." That was how Hunter described her.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Whoa.

Michael Malice 45:18 Yeah, yeah, we have the texts. Uh, and then all the public pressure, "Biden, you gotta drop out. Biden, gotta drop out. Biden, gotta drop out." Nancy Pelosi's a gangster. I wouldn't wanna fuck with her. I wouldn't wanna fuck with Mitch McConnell. These people don't mess around. And everyone said, or a lot of people said they're gonna have to go to threats, because why else would he step down? He's earned it, that presidency, and he's earned the nomination.

Joe Rogan 45:40 But if there was ever a time to invoke the 25th Amendment, wouldn't you think this is the time?

Michael Malice 45:45 Sh- sure, but I don't think they n- they n- hold on, hold on. Here's the thing. Let's talk about this. So Seymour Hersh-

Joe Rogan 45:50 Okay.

Michael Malice 45:50 ... who's been around DC since the '60s, I believe he wrote The Dark Side of Camelot, if I'm not mistaken, um, he had a thing on his Substack that goes, "Biden got the call." And it was Obama, Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, uh, Chuck Schumer, majority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, current, uh, House minority leader, leader of the Democrats in the House, and they said, "We got Kamala on board to invoke the 25th. If you don't drop the nomination, you know, that- that's gonna happen." The thing is, you were saying, they're not invoking the 25th. He's still president.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Right, but I'm saying if there was a time that they were gonna do that, this would be that time.

Michael Malice 46:25 S- sh- it- it- it- it was that time four years ago.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Right, but cl-

Michael Malice 46:28 It's been that time.

Joe Rogan 46:29 But clearly now, right?

Michael Malice 46:31 Well-

Joe Rogan 46:31 More, more than ever before, it's deteriorating.

Michael Malice 46:32 Why, 'cause it's public?

Joe Rogan 46:33 No, it's deteriorating.

Michael Malice 46:34 I don't think he's gotten that much worse.

Joe Rogan 46:36 Oh, he's gotten a lot worse. There's a video that compares him from 2019 to 2024.

Michael Malice 46:39 Sh-

Joe Rogan 46:39 It's a market difference.

Michael Malice 46:41 Yeah, but I don't think there's a big difference between 2022 and 2024. There's, like, a two and a half hour compilation of the campaign in 2020 where he forgets Obama's name.

Joe Rogan 46:50 (clicks tongue) Yeah, that's true. He- he had those gaffes back then, but they're constant now. Like, he's barely hanging on.

Michael Malice 46:57 I don't ... He was fine in the State of the Union. I think it's like sundowning, you know, like ...

Joe Rogan 47:00 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Michael Malice 47:02 What?

Joe Rogan 47:02 You think it was a body double?

Michael Malice 47:05 That was ... That guy walked very differently than Biden.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Very different.

Michael Malice 47:07 You saw that.

Joe Rogan 47:08 He's a lot taller.

Michael Malice 47:08 It's on- it's on Scott Adams' Twitter. I saw that.

Joe Rogan 47:11 He's-

Michael Malice 47:11 I'm like, "Am I Alex Jonesing today?"

Joe Rogan 47:12 No, he's a lot taller.

Michael Malice 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:14 No, he's physically taller.

Michael Malice 47:15 Yeah, okay.

Joe Rogan 47:15 And he walks way better. Like, as someone who ... Like, you watch Biden walk, he had a stiffness that- that, like, death was coming for him-

Michael Malice 47:24 And before everyone-

Joe Rogan 47:25 ... you know?

Michael Malice 47:25 ... freaks out and has their mousetraps in their heads go off, I think there should be more presidential body doubles, because one president almost got murdered. So if we have ways to keep them safe, let's use them.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Okay, that's a good thing to say, to cover our ass there.

Michael Malice 47:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:39 Now ... (laughs) And now here's another thing to say-

Michael Malice 47:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:43 In the interest of national security, like, let's, uh, imagine a scenario where Biden is deathly ill and Kamala is not really capable of taking over as president-

Michael Malice 47:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:54 ... right now. And there is ... You know, like, who's next? Speaker of the House. So-

Michael Malice 47:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:58 Nancy Pelosi? No, who is it now?

Michael Malice 47:59 Mike Johnson.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Mike Johnson, right? So that would be him next. So that's a dangerous moment in terms of national security. Even though everyone knows that Biden's, you know, really having problems-

Michael Malice 48:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:10 ... and is not actually running the show, you know, I could see why they would wanna use some body doubles for that.

Michael Malice 48:17 Of course.

Joe Rogan 48:18 You know? If the guy's in a hospital somewhere.

Michael Malice 48:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:21 But this guy ... Let's- let's look at it, 'cause this guy-

Michael Malice 48:23 Yeah, please play it.

Joe Rogan 48:24 He don't walk like him, he's taller than him. It looks like, like he gained, like, went back in time seven or eight years.

Michael Malice 48:30 This is the Weekend at Bernie's, like, prequel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:33 Well, this is, like, m- master gaslighting and propaganda is what it is. Like, they show you that there's ... You know, what was it in 2000 and ... I forget what year it was, where ... I believe it was during the Obama administration. Look at the size of this guy.

Michael Malice 48:49 This isn't the clip I saw.

Joe Rogan 48:50 He's so much bigger. Look how big he is. He's so much bigger than Jill. He's so much bigger. Like, he gained a legitimate six inches. Look how tall he looks. Look at it-

Michael Malice 49:01 Wait, Jamie, there's one on-

Joe Rogan 49:02 The, the frame... He's wearing heels as well.

Michael Malice 49:03 Jamie, this one on Scott Adams' Twitter.

Narrator 49:05 This is from his Twitter.

Michael Malice 49:06 Oh, but let's watch-

Narrator 49:06 Which one?

Michael Malice 49:06 It's, it's the one he's walking to the helicopter.

Joe Rogan 49:08 Let's watch this again. Yeah, that's another one.

Michael Malice 49:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Yeah, it's another one. That's a similar one too, where you see... You see one more time? Let's see him walk, walk again. So, like, look how much bigger he is than Jill.

Michael Malice 49:17 Holy shit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 He towers over her. He didn't use to tower over her like that.

Michael Malice 49:20 I didn't see this clip before I saw the other one.

Joe Rogan 49:21 And also sh- if you look, look at her. She's wearing high heels. See?

Michael Malice 49:24 Oh, wow. Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan 49:25 See her high heels? Okay, and he's towering over her. That is a much taller person.

Narrator 49:30 They should show a picture.

Joe Rogan 49:31 So, maybe they hooked him up with some fucking secret sauce that's gonna keep him going and he'll be back. Maybe they have ability to, uh, go back, like, biologically.

Michael Malice 49:40 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Take you back-

Michael Malice 49:40 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 49:41 ... a decade or two. Yeah. Giant, giant difference in height.

Michael Malice 49:43 Well, hold on. Is that because she could be behind him, so the angle?

Joe Rogan 49:46 No. Listen, she also has high heels on, man.

Michael Malice 49:47 No, no. But in the left. It could be that she's standing-

Joe Rogan 49:49 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a different human.

Michael Malice 49:52 There-

Joe Rogan 49:52 Look at the size difference of the torso.

Michael Malice 49:54 The eli- th- them walking to the helicopter is the one where it looked really different, okay?

Joe Rogan 49:57 Go back to that, please. Look at the size differences in the torsos themselves, from the top of his shoulders to where his-

Michael Malice 50:02 Oh, look how many buttons. Yeah, look at the, the white of the shirt.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Yes. Just look at the size difference. Look how much longer that human is on the left.

Michael Malice 50:10 But-

Joe Rogan 50:10 Now, it may be Biden. Uh, listen. They might have some wild shit that brings you back from the dead.

Michael Malice 50:16 But-

Joe Rogan 50:16 Like, medical science is getting, like... There's some people out there working on some wild stuff.

Michael Malice 50:20 But, do you know-

Joe Rogan 50:20 Maybe they just fucking jolted him up with some wolverine juice, like, "Ahh!"

Michael Malice 50:25 Well, wolverine juice isn't gonna make you taller. But here's the thing. Um, in the same way in the '60s if you sat on the show and said, "Liberace's gay," people would yell at you-

Joe Rogan 50:34 Right.

Michael Malice 50:34 ... because there's, you've never seen him sucking a dick-

Joe Rogan 50:35 Right.

Michael Malice 50:36 ... people right now will be like, "It's impossible. Why would they do a body double? That's ridiculous."

Joe Rogan 50:38 No, I don't think they would be. I don't think they would be anymore.

Michael Malice 50:41 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 50:42 I think... No, no.

Michael Malice 50:42 You don't think there's a lot of people listening right now who think you're crazy?

Joe Rogan 50:44 My parents. But, like, regular people, no.

Michael Malice 50:47 Your parents don't listen to the show. I thought they shipped it down (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 50:49 They don't. But if they did, they're Boomers.

Michael Malice 50:51 Of course.

Joe Rogan 50:51 They're full on. They're full on.

Michael Malice 50:53 They're not listening to this.

Joe Rogan 50:53 They're like, "You gotta keep Trump out of The White House." This, but this... What, what, what you're seeing right here, it really looks like a different person. Now, we're, we're, why are we saying that? Because it actually does look like a different person. We're not making something up. Okay? I don't do that. I don't pretend. I don't lie. I'm not a type of person that looks at something like that and, like, I have a propaganda thing I'm trying to push. Like when people say, "This version of Joe Biden is the best version ever."

Michael Malice 51:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:21 "Intellectually, I'm telling you he's on point." That's not real. Right? I don't do that.

Michael Malice 51:27 Uh, we were also told for years-

Joe Rogan 51:28 So, that's why.

Michael Malice 51:29 ... that these are selectively edited clips and deepfakes. That's why.

Joe Rogan 51:33 No, no. They call them cheapfakes.

Michael Malice 51:34 Yeah, cheapfakes. Excuse me. Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 51:35 That's what she's calling them, cheap... First of all, it's very expensive technology.

Michael Malice 51:38 Well, well, what was-

Joe Rogan 51:39 Took a lot of money to produce.

Michael Malice 51:40 ... the cope with the debate. At first, I heard people say it was the fault of the lighting. I don't know what kind of lighting, unless it's some kind of space laser-

Joe Rogan 51:47 It was after his bedtime.

Michael Malice 51:48 But what kind of lighting makes you say, "We beat Medicare"? Then, people said the mic was fucked up. Well, if your mic is fucked up, why can't you breathe? So, it was amazing how all the com- um, explanations didn't explain what we all saw with our own eyes.

Joe Rogan 52:01 Well, we can't gaslight. You know, we've, we got an... I know everyone's doing this because this is how everyone's done this. I don't think you can do it this way anymore. I think this political gaslighting they do is genuinely bad for them. Not just bad for everyone and bad for the entire civilization, but genuinely bad for them. You can't do that anymore.

Michael Malice 52:25 You, you, because?

Joe Rogan 52:26 You can't just say it. Everyone knows it's not true.

Michael Malice 52:28 Not everyone.

Joe Rogan 52:29 God, so many people do, and so many people-

Michael Malice 52:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:31 ... your age and my age know.

Michael Malice 52:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:32 All right? I think everyone who, like... Right now, everyone who's 40 and under is fucking super skeptical of almost every-

Michael Malice 52:39 Not everyone.

Joe Rogan 52:40 God damn. A lot of people do.

Michael Malice 52:42 A lot, but not everyone.

Joe Rogan 52:43 You're right. You're right. You're right. I'm g- exaggerating. But there's many more than during, like, my parents' age.

Michael Malice 52:50 Infinitely more.

Joe Rogan 52:50 When they were in their 40s.

Michael Malice 52:51 Infinitely more. You know why?

Joe Rogan 52:52 No one that knew... Yeah. Social media.

Michael Malice 52:53 Elon.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Elon, yes. That's a big, big part of it.

Michael Malice 52:56 I always make this point. You don't need a majority. You only need an alternative. As long as there's one... Like that little kid who said that the emperor has no clothes.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Yeah.

Michael Malice 53:04 As long as there's one outlet where you could be like, "This seems a little weird," then all of a sudden the truth can come out. Or at least there's been good questions.

Joe Rogan 53:12 That dude has literally saved free speech.

Michael Malice 53:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:14 And that sounds so stupid to some people that are against it. Like, "Oh, my God, you think that Nazis and hate speech and..." Listen.

Michael Malice 53:24 No, you- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:24 It's not good that people want to type racist things. It's not good. It's not good that people target specific human beings. It's not good. It's also not good if you don't know those people exist, and if people can't counter those people in those comments, and if people can't highlight how egregious some of the things they're saying are, how awful some of the things they're saying are. And also, get real information about... Like what's really going on in Venezuela.

Michael Malice 53:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:50 What's really going on in El Salvador.

Michael Malice 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 What's re- everywhere.

Michael Malice 53:53 And I'm also sitting here as a Jewish person who went to a Jewish school to tell you that the idea that you can criticize George fucking Soros, who's a billionaire, because it's anti-Semitic is insane.

Joe Rogan 54:02 Well, that's the old Mossad tactic.

Michael Malice 54:03 Right?

Joe Rogan 54:04 The, the Mossad... There was a guy who was a Mossad agent who talked about this, like what they would do if they found out there was a journalist that was saying Israel is attacking this. You label him an anti-Semite.

Michael Malice 54:13 Yeah, but the point is they don't do it as just anti-Semitism. They do it as just racism.

Joe Rogan 54:16 Right.

Michael Malice 54:16 They do it as homophobia. We're seeing it right now with Officer Harris.

Joe Rogan 54:18 George Soros?

Michael Malice 54:19 No, what I'm saying is, what... Well, for George Soros to be anti-Semet- you're anti-Semitic.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Right.

Michael Malice 54:23 If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or ableist.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Right.

Michael Malice 54:27 So, they will use-

Joe Rogan 54:28 Ableist?

Michael Malice 54:28 Yeah, 'cause she's a retard.

Joe Rogan 54:29 (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Michael Malice 54:30 She's literally retarded.

Joe Rogan 54:32 (laughs)

Michael Malice 54:33 I mean...

Joe Rogan 54:34 (laughs)

Michael Malice 54:34 Ukraine is a country in Europe, and Russia is another country, and a powerful country. And Russia invaded Ukraine, and that's wrong.

Joe Rogan 54:44 What's really important is what can be unburdened by what has been.

Michael Malice 54:48 I think of her as America's wine mom.... because-

Joe Rogan 54:51 (laughs)

Michael Malice 54:51 ... bitch seems like she's three deep by noon.

Joe Rogan 54:53 (laughs)

Michael Malice 54:54 And she's got the three phases of wine mom. She's got happy drunk, "Oh my God. This cereal's got a rabbit on it. It's so great." Cackling, cackling, cackling. Then there is, um, trying to... Drunk at work, where you're trying to make sense but you don't. "Space is around us all-"

Joe Rogan 55:11 (laughs)

Michael Malice 55:11 "... and unites us all, and inspires us all." And then there's-

Joe Rogan 55:15 (laughs)

Michael Malice 55:15 ... "I'm being stern so you don't realize how plastered I am," and "I'm making a point. That little girl was me. Now I'm gonna go upstairs, and don't knock on the door 'cause I'm gonna pass out." So, those are her three ways she talks, and those are the wine mom phases.

Joe Rogan 55:28 Do you think they have her medicated? 'Cause there was a guy that was speculating that some of the things that she says, the way she's sort of disconnected sometimes-

Michael Malice 55:37 I don't know what-

Joe Rogan 55:37 ... and she goes on these rambles that it's-

Michael Malice 55:39 I don't understand.

Joe Rogan 55:39 ... indicative of certain anti-anxiety medication. I do not know if this is true. See if you can find that, 'cause really shouldn't-

Michael Malice 55:44 That would make s-

Joe Rogan 55:45 ... say that about-

Michael Malice 55:45 That would make s-

Joe Rogan 55:46 ... our future president.

Michael Malice 55:46 Yeah. Our futur- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 She's gonna win.

Michael Malice 55:48 No she's not.

Joe Rogan 55:49 She can win.

Michael Malice 55:50 She absolutely can win. I do not think she's going to win, because the more she talks, like in 2020, she... How bad do you have to be that you can't even make Iowa? She couldn't even compete-

Joe Rogan 55:59 No.

Michael Malice 55:59 ... with the mayor of South Bend.

Joe Rogan 56:01 I... (laughs) I feel like we are in this very bizarre time, where people are giving into the bullshit in a way that I, I'd never suspected people would before. And this is one-

Michael Malice 56:14 We saw this in-

Joe Rogan 56:14 They just want no Trump, no matter what, and they're willing to gaslight themselves to think that... And by the way, I think Hillary could win. If Hillary jumped back in-

Michael Malice 56:24 I've been saying that for months.

Joe Rogan 56:25 If Hillary jumped back in... I, I think the problem was also the money, because there was the two... It was like $250 million in the campaign fund that has to-

Michael Malice 56:33 Sure.

Joe Rogan 56:33 It, it-

Michael Malice 56:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... only works if she's on the ticket.

Michael Malice 56:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:36 So, that's part of the problem. But I feel like Hillary could win. She won the popular vote in 2020.

Michael Malice 56:42 Hillary... I've, I've been saying this-

Joe Rogan 56:43 Or in 2016, rather.

Michael Malice 56:43 ... for a year in different shows, and, and she would win it, won, won an pretty-

Joe Rogan 56:47 Michelle Obama could win too-

Michael Malice 56:48 No, I don't think she can.

Joe Rogan 56:48 ... if she wanted to do it. You don't think so?

Michael Malice 56:50 I, I don't... I think that's kind of this... You sound like your parents. I think it's this boomer idea. She doesn't want it.

Joe Rogan 56:54 I'm not saying that she would be awesome at it. Um, but I think-

Michael Malice 56:58 I think anyone can win, of either party.

Joe Rogan 57:00 Yes.

Michael Malice 57:00 Whoever the nominee is. Like, you... Pretty... Even Chris Christie could have won if he's the Republican nominee. It's possible.

Joe Rogan 57:04 I would have thought that Trump getting shot would like... That's it, election's over. But it's like, they-

Michael Malice 57:09 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 57:09 ... memory holed that so quick.

Michael Malice 57:11 You would've thought Trump getting shot would've had f- four year- eight years of corporate journalists talking about hate speech causing violence to be like, "Let's take a step back," and it... That went for what, a week?

Joe Rogan 57:22 They did take a step back for a little bit.

Michael Malice 57:24 For a week. For a week.

Joe Rogan 57:24 And then they went right back at him.

Michael Malice 57:25 You wanna talk of this memory holing?

Joe Rogan 57:27 Yeah.

Michael Malice 57:28 With the, the insanity of the, the... Who was that? That was Elon who put it up. Like, if you Google President Donald, it says President Donald Reagan.

Joe Rogan 57:35 No, I tried it.

Michael Malice 57:36 What happened?

Joe Rogan 57:36 Maybe they fixed it. It said President Donald Trump.

Michael Malice 57:39 Okay. Well, he had a screenshot, so I'm sure you can Photoshop that.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, what... It's based on a lot of things, right? Like what people are searching for. I would imagine that the assassination attempt on Trump would be the first one that you would see.

Michael Malice 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Assassination attempt on President-

Michael Malice 57:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:56 ... would be Trump, 'cause that's the most recent.

Michael Malice 57:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:58 But it's not.

Michael Malice 57:59 And most newsworthy.

Joe Rogan 58:00 But it does show it. You just have to type it all in, which is interesting, because that little difference between what you can find and what you get presented immediately has a huge shift in the way people access information. And this is Robert Epstein's work.

Michael Malice 58:16 The Creepy Line, the documentary. Everyone should watch it.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah. And this, this thing is very real. And what it is, is like, if you try to Google certain negative stories, like negative stories on people, it will overwhelm you with positive stories. It'll take a long time before you get to the negative stories.

Michael Malice 58:32 Yeah. How he explained it is, if you... Here's how they can t- tip the scale.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Yeah.

Michael Malice 58:36 If I Google Hillary Clinton... And I have it so Google gives fairly positive stories about Hillary as the first 10 results. You're not gonna go to the second page. If I Google Donald Trump and Google gives you seven negative stories, it's going to move the needle a little bit toward her, against him.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Quite a bit.

Michael Malice 58:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Quite a bit. Like, if you're a person who's on the fence, and you're like, "Maybe Donald Trump's not a bad guy," and then you Google him, and then you start reading some of these, like, pieces that they've written about him, it'll change your perspective.

Michael Malice 59:00 You really think she's gonna win?

Joe Rogan 59:02 I'm not... I'm saying it because she could. I'm not saying it-

Michael Malice 59:04 She of course could.

Joe Rogan 59:04 ... 'cause I think she's going to, and I'm not saying... 'cause I want, wanted her to. I'm just being honest. Like, it... I could see her winning.

Michael Malice 59:10 I don't think... I think she's gonna lose a lot of the Black male vote.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Really? That's interesting.

Michael Malice 59:14 I don't think they're gonna go in the booth and pull the, the l- lever for her like they did for Biden, who was Obama's boy.

Joe Rogan 59:19 When Trump came out to 50 Cent, that many men-

Michael Malice 59:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:23 ... you know, wished death upon me, and N-word and everything, like didn't censor it out, everybody's like, "Oh, shit, he won." It was... It happened so quickly, the shift from, "Oh my God, they shot him," to, "Fuck him again."

Michael Malice 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:36 It's like, the only... And people are questioning whether or not he actually got shot, because his ear healed. (laughs)

Michael Malice 59:40 Can I... Wait, I gotta tell you something else about him.

Joe Rogan 59:42 (laughs)

Michael Malice 59:42 He was on, um... Who was the Fox guy who just died? It was Stu Varney a couple years ago. And he goes, "Stu, that's the N-word. You know what the N-word is, right, Stu?" And Stu's like, "Uh..." He goes, "Nuclear. The nuclear word." And I was on The Blaze, Glenn Beck's, um, network for midterms, and Trump calls in. And he's like, "That's the N-word. Nuclear." I'm like, "Are, are we really doing this right now?"

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 It's funny.

Michael Malice 1:00:06 Like, Trump has talked about the N-word-

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:00:08 ... and then he means nuclear?

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:00:09 It was, it was nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 It's hilarious. Oh, what is this?

Michael Malice 1:00:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Trump did not walk out to 50 Cent's, but rather to a country singer. So, is that fake? Those videos are fake? Where he walks out?

Michael Malice 1:00:19 Oh.

Narrator 1:00:20 The next president of the United States, Donald J.-

1:00:25 Yeah, these, those videos go around the internet all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Oh, so people-

Michael Malice 1:00:28 Oh, wait, wait. No.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 ... imposed it?

Narrator 1:00:29 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:00:29 Or wait, no. I thought the guy was saying it in disbelief.

Narrator 1:00:34 Trump. (singing)

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 That's him going out to that song.

Michael Malice 1:00:40 Wait, scroll down, 'cause it says under, under it there was an explanation in text. What does it say there?Oh, it was not. It was just fake.

Narrator 1:00:47 Yeah. That's not real.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Oh, they faked it.

Michael Malice 1:00:48 Oh, damn it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 Oh, damn it.

Michael Malice 1:00:49 Well, now, now, we know what he should do next time.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 So, he definitely should have came out to that.

Michael Malice 1:00:53 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 Oh, my God. That would have been epic.

Michael Malice 1:00:55 'Cause 50 Cent was tweeting about him.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 50 Cent having his face-

Michael Malice 1:00:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 ... at his concert. So he had like, you know, he has that image of him in the back and, and he put Donald Trump's head over his body.

Michael Malice 1:01:05 But do you know what, what's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 (laughs) Maybe that's fake too.

Michael Malice 1:01:07 There's a big sea change because even three years ago if you had said, "Trump kinda sucks. I don't really like him. He had no business being president," you're a Trump supporter. Because unless you say he's the worst thing to happen to America, you're a Trump supporter, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Right, right.

Michael Malice 1:01:21 So for Mark Zuckerberg to go on camera and be like, "This guy was kind of a badass, uh, and that was awesome," and not to have any... And to feel safe to say that and not to have any negative consequences, that's a big deal in terms of the conversation moving.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Well, I do not think that Mark Zuckerberg, from my interactions with him, was very comfortable with the FBI telling them to suppress-

Michael Malice 1:01:43 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 ... the Hunter Biden laptop story.

Michael Malice 1:01:44 L- let's talk about this because there's a lot of people who, I don't blame them, think, "Oh, boo-hoo, you're forcing me to do it, but he's happy to do it anyway." So you're saying that he actually... It was like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Well, he brought it up.

Michael Malice 1:01:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 I mean, when I asked him.

Michael Malice 1:01:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 I asked him what they did with it. He told the whole story. He didn't try to hide from it at all. And he said they basically reduced its, uh, the ability to spread.

Michael Malice 1:02:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 You could post it, you could read it, you could interact with it, but they reduced its reach.

Michael Malice 1:02:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 By like 50% or something like that or whatever the number was, which I don't understand how you do that or what are you doing? Or I don't know. I'll let that go.

Michael Malice 1:02:17 You can understand 'cause if you... On Facebook, the, which I'm on-

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 But it's recommended, so I guess-

Michael Malice 1:02:21 No, no, not recommended. I'm not on Facebook ever for this reason. Your feed, I don't see all my friends' posts.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Right.

Michael Malice 1:02:26 So if they just have it post 50% less, it's very easy to do.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Right. I think that's Instagram as well.

Michael Malice 1:02:32 Yes, correct.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 It's the same c-

Michael Malice 1:02:33 Same company.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Same sort of deal.

Michael Malice 1:02:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Yeah, I mean, you see that with people. That's what shadow banning is.

Michael Malice 1:02:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 It's difficult for people to see your shit.

Michael Malice 1:02:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 They do that on purpose. They-

Michael Malice 1:02:41 Of course they do it. And they can't do it-

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:02:43 ... by accident.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 No. I mean, it's a, it's a real thing. I don't know if he's comfortable with the government telling them to do something that turned out to be an actual true story.

Michael Malice 1:02:52 Is that what he said?

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 No. I mean, I have to imagine. But him saying that that's one of the most badass things that I've ever seen, he, he's got a reasonable perspective. 'Cause it was one of the most badass things. Whether you love Donald Trump or not, let's pretend he's from another country, you have no stake in the game. That guy almost getting shot and raising his fist up like that. The... And there's so many fucking weird things about that story.

Michael Malice 1:03:16 Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 The story of the assassination itself. You should be fu-... Everyone should be really uncomfortable with the fact that that happened and not like saying, "He didn't even get shot."

Michael Malice 1:03:25 Yeah, I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 You're missing the whole point.

Michael Malice 1:03:26 I, I tweeted this out. I go, "I wish the White House were freaking out as, about this as much as they are about climate change."

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Right.

Michael Malice 1:03:31 Because this would be a big moment where you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." Like, "This can never happen again from..." But the... When Steve Scalise got shot, they were like, "Eh," and then went back to business. Like, like didn't shit happen.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Also, why were they streaming it? They don't stream his campaign things.

Michael Malice 1:03:46 They do it a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Do they do it a lot?

Michael Malice 1:03:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 They do it a lot?

Michael Malice 1:03:49 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 CNN does it a lot?

Michael Malice 1:03:51 Not CNN.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 CNN did this one.

Michael Malice 1:03:52 Yeah.

Narrator 1:03:53 The FBI kinda added some problems to this too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 What did they say?

Narrator 1:03:56 They said they were unclear on whether he was actually shot, pierced by a bullet.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Or-

Narrator 1:04:01 Or if-

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Or a fragmented portion of one. Oh, so it could have been a ricochet.

Narrator 1:04:06 A shrapnel, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah, because I know there was something that got hit. There was a video that I saw of a railing that got hit. So it might have been a piece of the bullet that hit his ear.

Michael Malice 1:04:17 But also, how are we not seeing this kid's social media?

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Right. Also, did you read the story about the examination of his house? That it was-

Michael Malice 1:04:25 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 ... completely scrubbed?

Michael Malice 1:04:27 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 There was no silverware. It was like spotless. Like a, a team went over it and scrubbed it. Before-

Michael Malice 1:04:35 Oh, wow. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Yeah. Also, did you hear the story about how someone using ad tracking... So, you know, they can find out where you're going just by-

Michael Malice 1:04:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 ... based on ad tracking. And they found that someone from a building near the FBI offices was regularly visiting this kid back and forth.

Michael Malice 1:04:54 Oh, seriously?

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Yes. Yeah, find that, Jamie.

Narrator 1:04:57 I, I, I just got the video about the house. I'm trying to see if-

Michael Malice 1:05:00 We also don't even know happened with the Las Vegas-

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Okay. We'll go to the video of the house first and then we'll go to-

Michael Malice 1:05:04 But also just-

Narrator 1:05:05 There you go.

Michael Malice 1:05:05 ... the sidebar. We don't-

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Listen-

Michael Malice 1:05:06 We don't know-

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 MKUltra was a real thing. To think they don't do that anymore. Oh, come on.

Narrator 1:05:14 I believe, uh, we had people that, uh, participated in that, um, securing of it, of... There were bomb assets that we provided. Mr. Chairman, can I have 30 more seconds? Yeah, yeah. I'm letting everybody kind of go. Okay. O- on the night of. Since then, n- none... Did you get any reports from any of your agents of anything fishy at the home? I was briefed on, uh- Was there any silverware found in the home or trash? I, I have no... Nothing in the briefing that I was given. Oh. I guess maybe he's reporting on that report then, Trump.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Yeah, he must be reporting on that report. So that's not-

Michael Malice 1:05:49 But that, they-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 That's a very incomplete video.

Michael Malice 1:05:50 ... remember the Las Vegas shooter?

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 Yeah.

Michael Malice 1:05:52 You know-

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 That's a weird one too.

Michael Malice 1:05:52 Just stay, just completely forget. Just stop talking about it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Yeah. There's a lot of those that you go, "What the fuck is that? What is that? Why'd they do that?"

Michael Malice 1:06:01 The fact that we're talking about January 6th for years and this is just like, eh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Yeah. It's... The, that... Well, January 6th was a lot of people and the thought of it is-

Michael Malice 1:06:09 Yeah,