Joe Rogan Experience #2182 - Michael Malice

1. 0:00 – 1:21

   Netflix live special announcement and why Rogan waited six years

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Okay, I have to announce, 'cause, uh, Netflix is making me announce this.

   4. MMMichael Malice0:16

      (laughs) .

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      So I have a, a Netflix special that's live Saturday night from San Antonio.

   6. MMMichael Malice0:21

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      So it's gonna be live all over the world.

   8. MMMichael Malice0:23

      I'm gonna see you tomorrow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Oh, yay. Oh, yeah, we're coming.

   10. MMMichael Malice0:26

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Yeah.

   12. MMMichael Malice0:27

       It's gonna be a lot of fun. (clears throat) I've seen your set. It's really funny.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's, uh, it's tight now. Mm. It's good. It's like, I'm very happy with it.

   14. MMMichael Malice0:34

       W- how long has it been since you dropped a special?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Six years.

   16. MMMichael Malice0:37

       Wait, dude, seriously?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah, I was ready to do one in August of 2020 when, um, the shit went down. So when the shit went down with the COVID stuff, I was preparing, so that was like March, right? I was preparing to do one in August and then I didn't do standup for like eight months. And then, uh, we started doing standup out here again, and then I started changing a lot of bits and moving stuff around. And I'm like, "I don't wanna do one right now." And I sorta just really enjoyed fucking around and just doing comedy for doing comedy, you know, and then doing it at The Club. And when The Club opened, it was just so much fun. It was just... It's just such a fucking joy to be there all the time. It's like, I get, I get anxious to get back there, like can't wait to go.

2. 1:21 – 3:35

   Mothership opening night: Roseanne stories and green-room chaos

   1. MMMichael Malice1:21

      I w- I was there opening night.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:24

      Yeah.

   3. MMMichael Malice1:24

      And I was there with my protege, Trey. We're in the green room and I'm very much like, "Okay, this is in your house, like be respectful of the space," you know? 'Cause I'm not a comic. Tim Dillon's there, who I'm pals with. Ron White. Oh my God, Ron White. Tony, you know, the, the crew. And then I hear the voice and Roseanne walks in.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:44

      (laughs)

   5. MMMichael Malice1:46

      (laughs) Right? And I'm like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Yeah.

   7. MMMichael Malice1:47

      ... "Oh, fucking shit." And I'm like, "All right, keep it cool." And I, I hear her say, (in high-pitched voice) "Yeah, when you get to be my age, you either have diarrhea or you're constipated."

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      (laughs)

   9. MMMichael Malice1:59

      "So when I was on, uh, Tucker Carlson, my son's like, 'Mom, you've never been more personable.'" I go, "Yeah, that's 'cause I shit myself."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       (laughs)

   11. MMMichael Malice2:10

       And I'm sitting there, I'm like, "Okay, here's your opening." And I go, "You stole that line from the President."

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       (laughs)

   13. MMMichael Malice2:14

       And she goes, "What? No. Who, who said..." And like her head's still going around. And then I'm talking to her.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       She didn't know you?

   15. MMMichael Malice2:20

       Of course she didn't know me, you know, she's a boomer, right? So-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       (laughs)

   17. MMMichael Malice2:24

       ... I'm, (laughs) I've, I'm sitting there and the thing is... Look, you hang out with like, part of your act, you hang out with Elon, you hang out with like these major figures.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Yeah.

   19. MMMichael Malice2:32

       Who do I get? I'm like the Make-A-Wish kid who's got a cold and they're like, "We can get you Dave Smith. Maybe Lex Friedman." Right? So I'm chatting with her and she's going on about how Va-... There's the Book of Esther, which is a Jewish story from the Old Testament, it's the story of Purim, which I learned when I was in yeshiva. And she's going on about Vashti's one of the characters is trans and she's got a dick. And I, I... They didn't teach us this in Jewish school-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       (laughs)

   21. MMMichael Malice2:56

       ... I assure you. She's like, "You didn't know Vashti was trans?" And I'm sitting there, I'm trying to keep up with her. I don't know what the hell she's talking about. Um...

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       She's off the rails. (laughs)

   23. MMMichael Malice3:04

       But she's... But, but the whole time I'm like, "Holy shit, Roseanne is yelling at me."

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       One of my favorite videos from the story, you can find it on my Instagram, Jamie, of Roseanne dancing. She's smoking a cigarette and dancing while the get it together bitch sign-

   25. MMMichael Malice3:18

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       ... is illuminated in the background.

   27. MMMichael Malice3:19

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       It's such a fucking great video.

   29. MMMichael Malice3:22

       I've been hanging out with her and it's like one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Oh, she's such a, such a character.
3. 3:35 – 6:01

   Contrails, weather modification, and what 9/11 taught researchers

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      She believes some crazy stuff, but she's open to be, like informed.

   2. MMMichael Malice3:41

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:41

      Like if you tell her that n- this is actually what's going... She do- she doesn't like dig her heels in. Like she, I try to explain to her contrails.

   4. MMMichael Malice3:48

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      That th- they probably do spray things in the air.

   6. MMMichael Malice3:51

      Sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      It probably does happen. But that's not what you're seeing all the time. What you're seeing all the time is a hot jet engine-

   8. MMMichael Malice3:57

      Right, 'c-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      ... that's counting, encountering-

   10. MMMichael Malice3:58

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       ... condensation. It literally creates clouds. It's a physical effect, you can recreate it over and over and over again. That doesn't mean that people don't spray shit in the sky.

   12. MMMichael Malice4:07

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       And it doesn't mean that they haven't experimented with things, 'cause they're already talking to you about experimenting with w- weather modification. Like first of all, they have some data and one of the, some data that they have is actually from 9/11 because of the contrails. So the contrails, when they stopped being a thing because they shut the entire air travel system down in the United States, for how long? Was it a couple of days, right?

   14. MMMichael Malice4:29

       It was a l- oh yeah, it was, it was more than that, don't you think?

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Yeah. It might have been a week. How long did they shut the air for?

   16. MMMichael Malice4:34

       It was a lo- it was a while.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       So what happened was th- the Earth's temperature actually increased.

   18. MMMichael Malice4:39

       How, how?

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Or the temperature in the United States increased by a measurable amount, right? So it's very small but it's measurable and it's because there's no clouds. So those clouds that those planes-

   20. MMMichael Malice4:48

       Oh wow, okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       ... create by flying overhead all the time, those things are consistently l- blocking out the sun to the point where it actually changes the temperature of the Earth. So one of the things they found out about, um, boat travel, you know, shipping containers, these gigantic ships. When, uh, NATO imposed, so let me just say-

   22. MMMichael Malice5:09

       Two days, okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Two days, yeah. So when they imposed new... And I don't know who it was, NATO, whoever it was, imposed new environmental restrictions on these giant cargo ships.

   24. MMMichael Malice5:18

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       Once they did that, they found that the surface temperature of the ocean actually increased because they weren't blowing pollution over the ocean so much so that it creates like a foggy haze-

   26. MMMichael Malice5:30

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       ... that actually measurably blocks the amount of sunlight that goes through it. So ironically, like th- in trying to cool the ocean by th- r- decreasing our carbon footprint, they actually increased the surface temperature of the ocean.

   28. MMMichael Malice5:43

       Well that also gets them the whole thing about how it's not necessarily a bad thing if temperature increases 'cause there's more life at the equator than at the poles, uh, and it's not necessarily bad if you're going to get things slightly warmer and maybe it's the speed that's the issue, but they never even take that into consideration. As long as there's any change, it can only be for the worse.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       Well it's also a business.

   30. MMMichael Malice6:01

       Yeah, of course, yeah.

4. 6:01 – 7:55

   Overfishing and ocean collapse: the ‘missing big fish’ argument

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      This is where we have to be really careful with this stuff 'cause I'm very environmentally conscious. I love-... wilderness and Earth and the ocean. I love all these things. There's a bunch of things that we should address as human beings. The biggest one, unfortunately, is that we've decimated all fish life in the ocean. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 94% ... Is that what it is? What's the number? Of 94 ... I think, I think it's 94% of all big fish are missing from the ocean.

   2. MMMichael Malice6:29

      What do you mean by-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:29

      The differences between the numbers of 100 years ago-

   4. MMMichael Malice6:32

      Okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      ... versus today, it's down 94%.

   6. MMMichael Malice6:36

      Wait. Hold on. W- what do you mean by big fish? Do you mean like whale sharks or do you mean like tuna?

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      No, no, no, no, no, no. Like tuna, g- fish that we eat.

   8. MMMichael Malice6:42

      Okay. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:42

      You know, all- all the swordfish, all these different fish that we commercially capture. You know, those things are decimated, just decimated.

   10. MMMichael Malice6:51

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       It's a- a fucking disaster.

   12. MMMichael Malice6:53

       And- and it's not a lot of these-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       90%.

   14. MMMichael Malice6:56

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       90% of larger fish in the ocean are gone. We take through overfishing, unsustainable overfishing. So, the real fear is that if we keep going like this for another 100 years, there's nothing left. And it's very difficult to impose these restrictions on these boats that are in the middle of the ocean that are from other countries.

   16. MMMichael Malice7:16

       Well, the other issue is bycatch, where, like, you're-

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Yep.

   18. MMMichael Malice7:19

       ... you're killing a lot of things that you didn't really want-

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Right.

   20. MMMichael Malice7:21

       ... to have, have captured. And also you have, if you have, um, you remove the predators, then the prey explode in population, like with deer.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah.

   22. MMMichael Malice7:28

       And then they're in everyone's front lawn. And- and- and-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Yep.

   24. MMMichael Malice7:30

       ... that's a whole cascade effect there. Um, I- I ... That 90% number seems cr- ... 'Cause how would they have had that data 100 years ago, though?

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       Well, fish markets.

   26. MMMichael Malice7:37

       Okay. Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Right? So, if you talk to anybody who's a sushi chef that's ever been to the famous fish markets in Tokyo, they're so amazing that ... I was only in Tokyo for two days. It was just ... I had just flown in. We did the weigh-ins. I was out of it. I was like, "God, I should get up at 5:00 in the morning and go to the fish market," and I didn't do it. I'm fucking kicking myself.

   28. MMMichael Malice7:54

       I- I-

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       It's supposed to be incredible.

5. 7:55 – 9:20

   Japan travel takes: pride in craftsmanship, safety, and tiny specialty bars

   1. MMMichael Malice7:55

      I- I was just there. Like, I came here-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:56

      Oh, really?

   3. MMMichael Malice7:57

      I- I came here to yell at you.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:58

      Oh. (laughs)

   5. MMMichael Malice7:59

      No, I'm not even kidding. No, no, no.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:00

      (laughs)

   7. MMMichael Malice8:00

      Like, you know the guy who goes to Japan once and is like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:02

      Uh ...

   9. MMMichael Malice8:02

      ... "You gotta go to Japan"?

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:03

       Yeah.

   11. MMMichael Malice8:03

       That's me.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:04

       I've been to Japan. Unfortunately, I was only very, there very briefly-

   13. MMMichael Malice8:07

       But that's not going to Japan.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       ... and it was just for the fights. Yeah. It was beautiful, though. I loved it. I loved the audience. The audience at the fights were so respectful and they were so knowledgeable. Like, if someone passed guard, everyone would clap. I was like, "Wow, this is wild."

   15. MMMichael Malice8:23

       I- I was really, um, angry at all the misconceptions that I was taught about Japan and Japanese people. Like, I thought that everyone would be like a robot. They were great sense of humor, very friendly. And the thing that they have there that we don't have here is, like, everyone really takes pride in what they do. And like, you see it in, like, just regular stores and things like that, restaurants. Like, they- they love their country.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Do you know who Sakuraba is?

   17. MMMichael Malice8:49

       Isn't he a fighter?

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Yes. Legendary fighter, who used to smoke cigarettes and drink constantly, and he beat everybody. He was, like, one of the greatest of all time. He's an incredible, incredible fighter, and f- mostly fought people way bigger than him, way bigger than him. He fought a lot of absolute killers. And he is, like, one of the funniest guys, like, uh, in all of combat sports. He's always, like, got this great sense of humor. He's always joking around with people. There's all these videos of him joking around with fighters. He's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's Japanese.

6. 9:20 – 18:58

   Deep-sea aquarium, ‘living fossils,’ and whale evolution rabbit holes

   1. MMMichael Malice9:20

      Yeah. I went to Numazu, which is this little port town. Um, and it looked like something out of Lovecraft 'cause it's clearly, like, declining. So, you go down the main street all the way to the ocean and everything's ... Or the sea, rather. Everything is closed, all boarded up, 'cause that's the, uh, world's only deep sea aquarium.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:36

      Oh.

   3. MMMichael Malice9:36

      And I'm into that c- that very much. And I'm like, "All right, we gotta go to Numazu while we're there."

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      How do they do it? How does a deep-

   5. MMMichael Malice9:42

      I-

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:42

      ... sea aquarium work? How deep does the water get?

   7. MMMichael Malice9:44

      The ... Well, the thing is, the fish are ... I guess they're caught with bycatch 'cause the issue is the pressure, right? You bring them up, their eyes explode, their stomachs explode.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:51

      Yeah.

   9. MMMichael Malice9:51

      I don't know how they had the things that they had in those tanks. Like, the tanks are not pressurized. It's not possible. But they had a lot of insanely cool shit there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       So, do the fish adapt, do you think?

   11. MMMichael Malice10:00

       I- I- I ... Maybe these are fish that ... But no, some d- ... The batfish are like ... don't mi- vertically ... Some fish vertically migrate, right? They-

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       Have you ever been to the one that's in the, the Mandalay Bay in Vegas?

   13. MMMichael Malice10:10

       Which ... No, I don't think I have.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       That's fucking incredible.

   15. MMMichael Malice10:12

       But it's not like this. This is the only one.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       Oh, sure.

   17. MMMichael Malice10:14

       This is the only on Earth.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       There's a- the- the one-

   19. MMMichael Malice10:15

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:15

       ... in Mandalay Bay is sharks. Holy shit, look at that thing.

   21. MMMichael Malice10:18

       That's a coelacanth.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Yeah, that's the one that they thought was extinct.

   23. MMMichael Malice10:21

       Right, uh, for s- ... What, 65 million years. So, it's just an amazing, amazing place. And the thing is, right around the corner-

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       God, how cool is that?

   25. MMMichael Malice10:27

       It was so cool. And it-

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       What a cool fish that is. That is an old-ass fish. (laughs)

   27. MMMichael Malice10:31

       Yeah, 'cause it's g-

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Tha- that fish is from, like, the beginning of life.

   29. MMMichael Malice10:34

       And they've got lobed fins. There's only, there's only two fish that still have lobed fins.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       What does that mean?
7. 18:58 – 28:31

   Sugar, Big Gulps, and why food regulation feels like power politics

   1. MMMichael Malice18:58

      And I also think it's insane to make cigarettes more expensive on purpose for, to screw with poor people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:04

      They do?

   3. MMMichael Malice19:05

      That's the point.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:06

      Wait a minute.

   5. MMMichael Malice19:06

      They sin taxes, yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:09

      Oh, oh, I see. I see what you're saying.

   7. MMMichael Malice19:10

      They, they wanna make it really hard to buy cig-

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:12

      Taxes.

   9. MMMichael Malice19:12

      Yeah, they want-

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       So-

   11. MMMichael Malice19:13

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       Well, it's just that they know that people are hooked, and they can just steal money from you. That's really what it is. They know you're hooked on cigarettes.

   13. MMMichael Malice19:19

       No, no, no. It's these g- th- it's not the tobacco companies that are setting the selling price.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Right.

   15. MMMichael Malice19:23

       It's the governments.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Right.

   17. MMMichael Malice19:24

       They want it as expensive as possible, 'cause the idea, like Bloomberg says, is so it's harder for people to g- to keep, to commit into this habit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:31

       Oh, that's interesting. I, I think it's, that's a nice excuse for we know they are gonna keep buying cigarettes as a good way to generate revenue.

   19. MMMichael Malice19:38

       I don't think it's an excuse at all. This is the guy who banned Big Gulps.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Hm. Do you think h- think he banned Big Gulps because of insurance companies?

   21. MMMichael Malice19:45

       No, I think he banned good, Big Gulps 'cause he's a goody two-shoes and thinks he knows best for everybody.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       Yeah. But when I hear things like that, I'm always like, okay, what's the financial incentive behind that? Because insurance companies could be like, "You know what? People are dying all the time, and one of the big causes is obesity. And one of the big problems with obesity is people drink, like, Big Gulps." Like, this is why you get ob- like, this is why they made seatbelt laws. They didn't make seatbelt laws to make us safe. They make seatbelt laws because of insurance companies.

   23. MMMichael Malice20:11

       Oh, I thought you meant they made, or they're gonna say they made seatbelt laws 'cause fatties can't fit into them.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       (laughs)

   25. MMMichael Malice20:15

       So as to wipe out the fatties. (laughs) I'm like, all right. I can, there's a eugenics thing going on here. I can see it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:21

       No. It's, uh, I mean-

   27. MMMichael Malice20:23

       I, but I-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:23

       If they're trying to outlaw Big Gulps, I feel like, first of all, fuck you.

   29. MMMichael Malice20:28

       Right. Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       Right? If I want a Big Gulp, I know it's bad for me. You know, if you outlaw Big Gulps, but you don't outlaw that Dunkin' Donuts blizzard thing. You know that one?
8. 28:31 – 35:32

   Stimulants vs cocaine vs Adderall: focus, anxiety, and performance

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:31

      I've never done Ritalin either.

   2. MMMichael Malice28:32

      No, but, or like a Adderall. Excuse me.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:34

      I've never done Adderall.

   4. MMMichael Malice28:35

      Neither have I, but you know people-

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:36

      I'm scared of it.

   6. MMMichael Malice28:36

      ... you're crazy focused.

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:37

      I am scared of that.

   8. MMMichael Malice28:38

      Why are you scared of focus?

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:39

      With the same reason why I don't do, I've never done cocaine.

   10. MMMichael Malice28:41

       Oh, you've never done cocaine?

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       No.

   12. MMMichael Malice28:44

       Ne- haven't been to Japan. Haven't been, done cocaine.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:47

       First of all, sir, cocaine's illegal.

   14. MMMichael Malice28:49

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:49

       Son of a bitch. Second of all, uh.

   16. MMMichael Malice28:54

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:54

       (laughs) I think I'd like it.

   18. MMMichael Malice28:55

       No, you wouldn't.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:56

       Yeah. I'm sure I'd like it.

   20. MMMichael Malice28:57

       No, you wouldn't. Not to the extent that people ruin their lives. It's the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:00

       Oh, I wouldn't ruin my life.

   22. MMMichael Malice29:00

       ... it's the stupidest drug.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:02

       Yeah. I'm not, I'm not really interested in ruining my life. But I would recognize that this is probably a lot of fun.

   24. MMMichael Malice29:08

       It's not.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:09

       But how come p- so many people say it is?

   26. MMMichael Malice29:11

       I don't know. It's not fun at all, 'cause-

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       For you.

   28. MMMichael Malice29:14

       It's not. It's, it would not be fun for you. I promise you.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Have you ever heard the Buckcherry song, Cocaine?

   30. MMMichael Malice29:18

       Mm-mm. With, with the-
9. 35:32 – 42:09

   Lobotomies to gender medicine: ‘mind virus,’ permanence, and politicization

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:32

      Mother's Little Helper, remember? From Rolling Stones song? I mean, they stopped doing lobotomies in '67. So they were, they were doing lobotomies for like 50 fucking years, just scrambling people's brains.

   2. MMMichael Malice35:40

      They did it to Rosemary Kennedy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:42

      Didn't they do it because she was promiscuous?

   4. MMMichael Malice35:44

      And also she was kind of a slow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:46

      Oh.

   6. MMMichael Malice35:47

      And the thing with the lobotomy, did you know about this? You have to do it when the person's conscious.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:50

      Yeah.

   8. MMMichael Malice35:51

      So she, she had to count backwards, and then she stopped being able to talk.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:55

      Oh.

   10. MMMichael Malice35:56

       And then they pretended she's on sabbatical for 50 years. And then they did the Special Olympics to kind of... 'Cause they felt bad.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       Oh my God.

   12. MMMichael Malice36:02

       Evil, evil family.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       Well, it's an evil practice, that, that thing that they would do for people when they had troubles.

   14. MMMichael Malice36:08

       I, I love the idea... The id- It's just so insane that, like, there's no precision really. You're stabbing them in the-

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:14

       Scrambling brains.

   16. MMMichael Malice36:15

       And hoping you hit the right spot. That's not a thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:17

       I think they're gonna look at that the same way they look at... The way they look at that now they're gonna look at sex change for kids in the future.

   18. MMMichael Malice36:24

       Yes. Oh, yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       They're gonna look at all this...

   20. MMMichael Malice36:26

       Munchausen's by proxy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       Also, there's clearly, like, a mind virus, and it is like a mind virus.I mean, that term mind virus, it sounds like you shouldn't say that because a virus doesn't exist in the mind, it's a different kind of thing than an actual biological virus.

   22. MMMichael Malice36:44

       Ideas-

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:44

       But it has the same function. It really does.

   24. MMMichael Malice36:46

       I- ideas go viral.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:47

       Yeah, they do, right?

   26. MMMichael Malice36:48

       That's the thing, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       Right.

   28. MMMichael Malice36:49

       So, so the idea is going viral. And-

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       Right. They d-

   30. MMMichael Malice36:51

       ... the thing is, when you and I were kids, as dinosaurs, every girl, or 90% of them had an eating disorder, 'cause she was uncomfortable with how her body's changing, n- unwanted male attention, having that sense of control. It was very common.
10. 42:09 – 44:31

    Kamala Harris, Tulsi’s 2019 takedown, and the mechanics of narrative control

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:09

       Well, it all bothers me. It all bothers me, the fragility of the human mind, you know, that we're... So everybody forever was like, "Kamala Harris is the worst vice president. She's the least popular vice president of all time." And then, in a moment, a moment in time, all of a sudden, she's our solution. She's our hero. Everybody's with her. All these social media posts about her. Try googling a negative story on her. You won't find one.

    2. MMMichael Malice42:41

       So-

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:42

       Ta da!

    4. MMMichael Malice42:42

       Okay. You've- you've got me started, Officer Harris. So...

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       (laughs)

    6. MMMichael Malice42:46

       Uh, they've been doing this live for years. So in 2019, our pal Tulsi, absolutely nuked her in that second debate.

    7. JRJoe Rogan42:56

       Right.

    8. MMMichael Malice42:56

       And if you looked at charts at the time, the- she's kinda ... Officer Harris is doing okay. First debate she comes out, "Joe Biden, you're a racist." The Democrats were looking for an alternative to Bernie Sanders that wasn't Biden. She starts going up in the polls, right? Second debate comes out, Tulsi, being a good Hawaiian, knows how to roast a pig-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:14

       (laughs)

    10. MMMichael Malice43:15

        ... just completely slams her. Not only that, she has no counterpunch. She goes on Anderson Cooper and she's like, "Well, I'm a top tier candidate, so of course people are gonna take shots at me." That's her answer. She immediately starts going down in the polls. It's that day, you can see it on the chart. I have it on my Twitter. All the articles at the time that did an autopsy on Kamala Harris's failed campaign didn't mention Tulsi once.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:36

        Yeah.

    12. MMMichael Malice43:37

        It was BBC, LA Times, Reuters, New Yorker. A guy from the Washington Post just did a piece looking back on her campaign, didn't mention Tulsi either.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:46

        Isn't that wild?

    14. MMMichael Malice43:46

        They com- they completely pretend it didn't happen.

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:49

        (claps hands) Well, it just shows you that what they're looking for is not what they say they're looking for.

    16. MMMichael Malice43:53

        Yes.

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        Because she is a strong woman. She is, uh, a person who served overseas twice. She ... In a medical unit, so she got to see people blown up by the war. She is ... Uh, she was a congresswoman for eight years.

    18. MMMichael Malice44:07

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        She is a person of color. She's everything you want, all those things you want.

    20. MMMichael Malice44:12

        But she's not-

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        And yet you don't want her.

    22. MMMichael Malice44:13

        Because she's not for war.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        Yes.

    24. MMMichael Malice44:15

        Because she's not for the mission.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:15

        Well, she's also just not willing to play ball. There's a game that's being played. And if you're like, "Hey, you're not supposed to fucking move the ball." They're like-

    26. MMMichael Malice44:23

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:23

        ... "Oh, look at this bitch over here." Like, "Get out of here. You're gonna fuck up our game." It's not real democracy. It's controlled parties.

11. 44:31 – 52:56

    Coup rumors, body doubles, and the Trump assassination attempt: distrust spirals

    1. MMMichael Malice44:31

       Did you see that piece by Seymour Hersh that dropped over the weekend about the coup?

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:36

       Yes. So s- explain to people what Seymour Hersh ... I don't know if he's right, but, uh, he seems to be right a lot.

    3. MMMichael Malice44:43

       So-

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:43

       And, uh, he was right about the Nord Stream pipeline, right?

    5. MMMichael Malice44:45

       What ... Yeah, what he ... So what I was saying, and a lot of other people were saying, is the big issue is how do you get Biden out of the White House? So here is Biden's case. He's like, "Look, I got- I got Trump out of the White House last time. I'm only behind two or three points in the polls. Kamala's polling worse than me in, like, eight out of 10 polls. Uh, I won these delegates. Why the hell should I back down?" And he- he ... That's a very solid case. Uh, Jill, for the first time in her life, people care about her. She matters. As Hunter put it, I have it exactly here, she's a "selfish, silly, entitled cunt." That was how Hunter described her.

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       Whoa.

    7. MMMichael Malice45:18

       Yeah, yeah, we have the texts. Uh, and then all the public pressure, "Biden, you gotta drop out. Biden, gotta drop out. Biden, gotta drop out." Nancy Pelosi's a gangster. I wouldn't wanna fuck with her. I wouldn't wanna fuck with Mitch McConnell. These people don't mess around. And everyone said, or a lot of people said they're gonna have to go to threats, because why else would he step down? He's earned it, that presidency, and he's earned the nomination.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       But if there was ever a time to invoke the 25th Amendment, wouldn't you think this is the time?

    9. MMMichael Malice45:45

       Sh- sure, but I don't think they n- they n- hold on, hold on. Here's the thing. Let's talk about this. So Seymour Hersh-

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:50

        Okay.

    11. MMMichael Malice45:50

        ... who's been around DC since the '60s, I believe he wrote The Dark Side of Camelot, if I'm not mistaken, um, he had a thing on his Substack that goes, "Biden got the call." And it was Obama, Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, uh, Chuck Schumer, majority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, current, uh, House minority leader, leader of the Democrats in the House, and they said, "We got Kamala on board to invoke the 25th. If you don't drop the nomination, you know, that- that's gonna happen." The thing is, you were saying, they're not invoking the 25th. He's still president.

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        Right, but I'm saying if there was a time that they were gonna do that, this would be that time.

    13. MMMichael Malice46:25

        S- sh- it- it- it- it was that time four years ago.

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:27

        Right, but cl-

    15. MMMichael Malice46:28

        It's been that time.

    16. JRJoe Rogan46:29

        But clearly now, right?

    17. MMMichael Malice46:31

        Well-

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:31

        More, more than ever before, it's deteriorating.

    19. MMMichael Malice46:32

        Why, 'cause it's public?

    20. JRJoe Rogan46:33

        No, it's deteriorating.

    21. MMMichael Malice46:34

        I don't think he's gotten that much worse.

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:36

        Oh, he's gotten a lot worse. There's a video that compares him from 2019 to 2024.

    23. MMMichael Malice46:39

        Sh-

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:39

        It's a market difference.

    25. MMMichael Malice46:41

        Yeah, but I don't think there's a big difference between 2022 and 2024. There's, like, a two and a half hour compilation of the campaign in 2020 where he forgets Obama's name.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:50

        (clicks tongue) Yeah, that's true. He- he had those gaffes back then, but they're constant now. Like, he's barely hanging on.

    27. MMMichael Malice46:57

        I don't ... He was fine in the State of the Union. I think it's like sundowning, you know, like ...

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

    29. MMMichael Malice47:02

        What?

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:02

        You think it was a body double?
12. 52:56 – 1:12:47

    Free speech, bots, Twitter/X, and propaganda ecosystems

    1. MMMichael Malice52:56

       I always make this point. You don't need a majority. You only need an alternative. As long as there's one... Like that little kid who said that the emperor has no clothes.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:03

       Yeah.

    3. MMMichael Malice53:04

       As long as there's one outlet where you could be like, "This seems a little weird," then all of a sudden the truth can come out. Or at least there's been good questions.

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:12

       That dude has literally saved free speech.

    5. MMMichael Malice53:14

       Yes.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:14

       And that sounds so stupid to some people that are against it. Like, "Oh, my God, you think that Nazis and hate speech and..." Listen.

    7. MMMichael Malice53:24

       No, you- (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:24

       It's not good that people want to type racist things. It's not good. It's not good that people target specific human beings. It's not good. It's also not good if you don't know those people exist, and if people can't counter those people in those comments, and if people can't highlight how egregious some of the things they're saying are, how awful some of the things they're saying are. And also, get real information about... Like what's really going on in Venezuela.

    9. MMMichael Malice53:49

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:50

        What's really going on in El Salvador.

    11. MMMichael Malice53:52

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:52

        What's re- everywhere.

    13. MMMichael Malice53:53

        And I'm also sitting here as a Jewish person who went to a Jewish school to tell you that the idea that you can criticize George fucking Soros, who's a billionaire, because it's anti-Semitic is insane.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:02

        Well, that's the old Mossad tactic.

    15. MMMichael Malice54:03

        Right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        The, the Mossad... There was a guy who was a Mossad agent who talked about this, like what they would do if they found out there was a journalist that was saying Israel is attacking this. You label him an anti-Semite.

    17. MMMichael Malice54:13

        Yeah, but the point is they don't do it as just anti-Semitism. They do it as just racism.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:16

        Right.

    19. MMMichael Malice54:16

        They do it as homophobia. We're seeing it right now with Officer Harris.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        George Soros?

    21. MMMichael Malice54:19

        No, what I'm saying is, what... Well, for George Soros to be anti-Semet- you're anti-Semitic.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:23

        Right.

    23. MMMichael Malice54:23

        If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or ableist.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        Right.

    25. MMMichael Malice54:27

        So, they will use-

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:28

        Ableist?

    27. MMMichael Malice54:28

        Yeah, 'cause she's a retard.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:29

        (laughs) Jesus Christ.

    29. MMMichael Malice54:30

        She's literally retarded.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:32

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:03:55