Joe Rogan Experience #2185 - Bob Gymlan

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Yep. Okay. Salud, Bob.

   4. BGBob Gymlan0:16

      Salud.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Pleasure to meet you, man.

   6. BGBob Gymlan0:20

      Pleasure to meet you, too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      How'd you start doing this, uh, YouTube channel?

   8. BGBob Gymlan0:24

      Um, I've always, uh, enjoyed doing, talking about those things, 'cause who doesn't?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Right.

   10. BGBob Gymlan0:33

       And I was always kinda surprised at how shitty they are usually talked about. I just saw the shooting star.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs) There it goes. Yeah.

   12. BGBob Gymlan0:42

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       It'll trick you.

   14. BGBob Gymlan0:43

       Like, so often, you see this type of content. It's like, "Is there a monster in the woods?"

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Right.

   16. BGBob Gymlan0:49

       And it's like, that's not the question. The question is more complex than that, and I often don't see it brought up that way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       There's something about these st- like today, I listened to the creepiest Bigfoot story one, that one that you had with the- the one where the guy wrote in a story about the Bigfoot-

   18. BGBob Gymlan1:07

       Burying stuff in the backyard?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yeah, that one.

   20. BGBob Gymlan1:10

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       And there's something about those that, like, even if you don't believe in Bigfoot, 'cause I n- don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, there's something about it that's so compelling. There's something about things that you don't know out there in the woods that n- y- 'cause you don't have an accurate, a, a real good account of everything that's in the forest.

   22. BGBob Gymlan1:32

       Of course.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       You know, you look out there, it's dark. And the mind is always looking for some weirdness. The mind is always looking for something that n- s- other people don't know about, or perhaps there's, like, a secret that the sheriffs know about that they don't share with everybody else. Like, why is that so, why does that resonate so much with people? With Stephen King movies, like, or Stephen King books, it's like that kind of a thing. There's something about it that's, like, exciting.

   24. BGBob Gymlan1:57

       Right. Um, (laughs) I'm more of a Dean Koontz fan than Stephen King.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       Oh, okay.

   26. BGBob Gymlan2:01

       To be-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       Yeah, he's great, too.

   28. BGBob Gymlan2:03

       Yeah. Um.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       You don't like Stephen King? Is that what you're try- you trying to throw shade?

   30. BGBob Gymlan2:07

       He's, his politics ruined it for me.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (clicks tongue) I don't anymore,…

   1. BGBob Gymlan15:00

      big cats too. And, uh... Like, have you ever... Do, do you have a cat?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      (clicks tongue) I don't anymore, but I've had cats, yeah.

   3. BGBob Gymlan15:05

      Okay, like, just watching them, and now imagining that they are bigger than you- (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Oh, dude.

   5. BGBob Gymlan15:11

      ... is so horrifying.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      I saw my first large mountain lion two years ago.

   7. BGBob Gymlan15:15

      Oh, yeah?

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      It was big.

   9. BGBob Gymlan15:16

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       Like, about 170-plus pounds. And, uh, my friend Colton saw it under a tree. We were driving, luckily. We were inside the truck, 'cause it was only about 30 yards away. I would've shit my pants if I saw this thing without a barrier between us. It was so big. It was so big and so terr... It looked like a demon. Like, when you lock eyes with that thing... And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield, and also binoculars.

   11. BGBob Gymlan15:41

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       So I had, uh, 10-power binoculars, and I'm zoomed into its face. And I'm seeing it, like, just looking right at me with this pumpkin head, this bi- the big mandible muscles-

   13. BGBob Gymlan15:53

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       ... that go over the top of the skull. It's like, "Oh, Christ." And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield and binoculars, so I'm removed slightly from the, uh, the actual force of the experience of its eyeballs on me. But if I was standing there just looking at it, I probably would've had a psychedelic experience.

   15. BGBob Gymlan16:08

       (laughs) Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       I probably would've tripped out. I probably would've, I probably would've gone into shock. I saw a grizzly bear once in, um, in Alberta. I saw one of those. And not even a big one. About a six-foot grizzly bear. But it looks at you s... I've seen black bears before. That was the first grizzly I saw in the wild. And they look right through you.

   17. BGBob Gymlan16:28

       Yeah, that's the s... To me, and I've only seen footage of grizzly bears, but every once in a while, they have, like, this crackhead look, where it's like they're, they're doing that thing where they're looking to see what you got.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah.

   19. BGBob Gymlan16:38

       Like, they're just like, "What can I take from this?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Yeah.

   21. BGBob Gymlan16:40

       And they... You can't do anything to stop them unless you have a gun.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       Yeah, we had guns, luck- luckily.

   23. BGBob Gymlan16:44

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       We had shotguns. But we... When we were looking at it, it looked like it's gonna eat you. It looks like, "Am I gonna eat you?" Like, it looked like it, uh, couldn't care less if you live or die.

   25. BGBob Gymlan16:58

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       And, uh, like, just all it's doing all day long is searching for something slow, something with a limp, something that fucks up, something that leaves behind a kid, something that... You know, a dog's chained up to a tree. Whoops, got one.

   27. BGBob Gymlan17:12

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       And that's all it's doing all day long, and it's just a big monster. And if it didn't exist, if a grizzly bear didn't exist, and there was reports of this enormous dog-like creature that eats everything and can kill a moose and lives in the woods, it would be way scarier than Bigfoot.

   29. BGBob Gymlan17:30

       Yeah, for sure. Well, maybe.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       Oh!
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Okay. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      the video about the 50-foot crocodile in the Congo. And, um, as a person who's ... I've always been obsessed with crocodiles.

   2. BGBob Gymlan30:08

      Okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      I, I think they're ... You know, one of-... one of the coolest animals that ever has existed, and the fact that they're with us right now. And you get to see this insane creature that can go without eating for a year.

   4. BGBob Gymlan30:22

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Lays completely still in six inches of water and then explodes and pulls a zebra into the water.

   6. BGBob Gymlan30:28

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      They're just amazing. They're amazing, and they're, they're so fucking big, man.

   8. BGBob Gymlan30:34

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:35

      They're s- like that alligator that we have out there that you saw in the lobby.

   10. BGBob Gymlan30:38

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       That's, uh, 14 feet.

   12. BGBob Gymlan30:39

       Yeah, that's not even a big alli- I mean, it's a big alligator, but it's not a-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       It's a big alligator. But it's not a big crocodile.

   14. BGBob Gymlan30:44

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       It's a little baby crocodile.

   16. BGBob Gymlan30:46

       It's not a huge alligator.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       No.

   18. BGBob Gymlan30:47

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       No, like what is the biggest alligator that have ever g- I think it's 20 feet, right?

   20. BGBob Gymlan30:52

       19 f- 19 feet, nine inches.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Oh, okay. Where, is that a Florida alligator?

   22. BGBob Gymlan30:56

       I wanna say it was Alabama.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Really?

   24. BGBob Gymlan30:58

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       No shit. Alabama, that's interesting. Yeah, like, um, it's all up in that whole area.

   26. BGBob Gymlan31:05

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Like Louisiana has a bunch of 'em. Texas has a bunch of 'em. Northern Texas has started to show alligators. There was a sighting yesterday actually. Th- there was a video that these guys took of these two alligators swimming in a lake in northern Texas. People are like, "What the fuck are they doing up here?"

   28. BGBob Gymlan31:21

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       They're expanding. When I was a kid, I lived in Gainesville, Florida from when I was 11 till I was 13. And, uh, Gainesville had a lot of alligators. Uh, it's like where the University of Florida is.

   30. BGBob Gymlan31:32

       Mm-hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      almost anybody who looks at it goes, "You're out of your fucking mind."

   2. BGBob Gymlan45:02

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      That's 100% placed and stacked stones. But the problem is this, this ancient wall... Look at that. I mean, shut the fuck up. How is that...

   4. BGBob Gymlan45:11

      Oh, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Shut, just shut the fuck up. Can I see the other, the original picture, Jamie? That one, where... Yeah. I mean, shut the fuck up. Someone stacked that, for sure. It's in a, a straight line. They're stacked on top of each other. They form fit together. They're, they're placed, you know, the same height.

   6. BGBob Gymlan45:30

      They're carved and transported.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      Yeah, something was going on, right? So some ancient, ancient civilization had this, and I think it's several football fields long. I think it's really long. Like, I think what they, what they've discovered versus, uh, how much more of it could be, because also, a lot of it is covered in dirt. And if it, this thing is, you know, 25, 30,000 years old, who knows how long it is, how long it's been there. Like, who knows how deep it even goes? The Sage Wall, that's what it is.

   8. BGBob Gymlan46:03

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:04

      So what is that all about? Like, that was on private land, and apparently, originally, it was covered in trees and, and they cleared the area.

   10. BGBob Gymlan46:13

       Sure.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       And, uh, and so initially, people were thinking that it was some sort of a natural formation, but as they cleared the area, they're like, "Wait a minute."

   12. BGBob Gymlan46:20

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       "What is this?" So no explanation, no civilization tied to that area, especially one that's capable of moving monolithic stones.

   14. BGBob Gymlan46:30

       But then-

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       1996, they found it.

   16. BGBob Gymlan46:32

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       "While hiking around the property one day, we discovered the Sage Wall. The Wall is 275 feet long and 24 feet high, a jaw-dropping marvel. In order to make these bolder areas more accessible and highlight their beauty, we created a moderate two-trail, uh, two-mile trail system. Additional features of the trail include 400-year-old Douglas fir trees, the spectacular views of the Ruby Valley 20 miles away, and the Highland Mountain Range sitting at 10,000 feet in elevation." So this is at, this is, like, high elevation, covered in trees, on a piece of private land that these people just hadn't noticed that they had this thing on there. You know, it's probably some massive ranch-

   18. BGBob Gymlan47:13

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       ... in Montana. And then, they go, "Okay, what's, what's this?" No explanations.

   20. BGBob Gymlan47:18

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       No one knows what it is. And I love how people try to write things like that off. "Oh, that's just a natural formation." Well, fuck you it is.

   22. BGBob Gymlan47:26

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       You, you know it's not. I know you don't have an explanation, and this throws your whole understanding of human civilization in North America into the garbage bin, but it really does throw it in the garbage bin.

   24. BGBob Gymlan47:36

       Uh-huh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       Because, like, what do you... What, what happened?

   26. BGBob Gymlan47:38

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:38

       What was going on there? Was this Vikings? Who fucking did this? Who did it and when?

   28. BGBob Gymlan47:42

       Well, I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of Native Americans as, like, one group.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:48

       Right.

   30. BGBob Gymlan47:49

       Like people, I'm sure different groups came over many times, and probably a lot longer than 20,000 years ago, or before 20,000 years ago.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   If we could int-…

   1. BGBob Gymlan1:00:00

      know.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      If we could int- introduce intelligent life into a planet, if there was p- uh, life on a planet and we could introduce our DNA into these lower primates and make them more like us, you don't think we would do it? I ...

   3. BGBob Gymlan1:00:13

      Yes. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      100%, right?

   5. BGBob Gymlan1:00:14

      Yeah, for sure.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      Yeah, I mean, we monkey with all kinds of things all the time. We're always messing around with creatures' DNA. I mean, there's a story that we talked about recently, uh, during World War I in Russia, where Russia was experimenting with, uh, hybridizing human beings and chimpanzees for soldiers.

   7. BGBob Gymlan1:00:31

      Orangutans too.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

      Yes.

   9. BGBob Gymlan1:00:32

      Didn't they, uh ... Ugh. They, they got ... They, they moved ... They switched brains with an orangutan and a human.... and I guess the, the, the human with the orangutan brain never regained consciousness. But evidently, the, uh, human brain in the orangutan did regain consciousness.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       Really?

   11. BGBob Gymlan1:00:51

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       How did they do that?

   13. BGBob Gymlan1:00:53

       I don't know. But there's, uh, I only know this from a Monster Quest. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Is that real? Monster Quest might be a little bullshit. Although, Monster Quest did, uh, bust one of the dumbest things that I used to believe, the dumbest. Um, flying rods.

   15. BGBob Gymlan1:01:10

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       Oh, it was just the moths.

   17. BGBob Gymlan1:01:13

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       You know?

   19. BGBob Gymlan1:01:13

       It's just a visual artifact of, um, cameras-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Sure, yeah.

   21. BGBob Gymlan1:01:18

       ... where the video cameras, well, they catch these things moving fast close up-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       Yeah.

   23. BGBob Gymlan1:01:23

       ... and it leaves a trail. And so, there was this famous group of people that thought that there was these things that were flying around faster than we can see.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Mm-hmm. And that they were some sort of aliens that were amongst us.

   25. BGBob Gymlan1:01:36

       That's orbs and ghost hunting to me.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Mm. Ghost is an interesting one. What do you think about ghosts?

   27. BGBob Gymlan1:01:47

       I would be very sur- uh, I don't know. It's a tough one 'cause-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       You know what I think?

   29. BGBob Gymlan1:01:51

       What do you think?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       You hear them from every culture.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:24

   Sure. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      to create, to be created and evolve. And if you think about human beings, we're the one animal on this planet that seems to have the same sort of impact as invasive species do.

   2. BGBob Gymlan1:15:13

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:15

      We're, we're s- we swarm the whole planet, we're fucking up everything, and there's no answer to us.

   4. BGBob Gymlan1:15:20

      Ah, see, but do you think humanity's something that needs an answer?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

      Well, there's no answer to us naturally, right? Like there's nothing that keeps our population in check, other than disease.

   6. BGBob Gymlan1:15:29

      No normal population control. Like d- uh, so, a- while the left is talking about, you know, humanity, its population going out of control, like our population's crashing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:40

      Sure, right.

   8. BGBob Gymlan1:15:41

      I mean, what is it? Um, Asia crashed, Europe and America are crashing now, India's next to crash, and Africa is the only one left to boom.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:49

      Right. In terms of like Japan, like the children that are alive today, how many of them will s- ever have grandchildren?

   10. BGBob Gymlan1:15:55

       Sure.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:55

       A very small percentage. Yeah, that's true. Elon talks about that all the time.

   12. BGBob Gymlan1:15:59

       Yeah, I mean, 'cause it, like you can look at-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:00

       We need to have more kids.

   14. BGBob Gymlan1:16:01

       You can look at the charts. Like it's very clear, you know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       Right. But don't you think... So this is nature's balancing act, right? So...

   16. BGBob Gymlan1:16:09

       It, it has to happen. It's not, it's not a matter of like it's going to. It, it has to... Those are the rules.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:16:16

       I think nature probably balanced us out when we developed cities, right? 'Cause what's the byproduct of cil- cities? One of the byproducts of cities is it's expensive to live there, so, um, a lot of times women get jobs. And, um, women don't want to give up their career to have a family, so they hold it off until much later. And if they have a child at all, they have less kids than people who start having kids when they're 18 or 20.

   18. BGBob Gymlan1:16:42

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:16:43

       And so this is sort of a function of having these extremely dense environments where people are stacked up with each other, and then competition inside that city-like structure is intense, and financial competition is intense, and women engage in it as well, and it lowers the population. That happens to almost all westernized societies, first world societies. They experience a drop in birth rate.

   20. BGBob Gymlan1:17:12

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17:12

       And it seems like that would be a natural feature of like high population areas.

   22. BGBob Gymlan1:17:18

       'Cause it doesn't even matter what it is. Like for a deer, it's just the availability of grass.

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