Joe Rogan Experience #2185 - Bob Gymlan

1. 0:00 – 3:58

   Bob Gymlan’s YouTube origin story and the appeal of “woods mysteries”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Yep. Okay. Salud, Bob.

   4. BGBob Gymlan0:16

      Salud.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Pleasure to meet you, man.

   6. BGBob Gymlan0:20

      Pleasure to meet you, too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      How'd you start doing this, uh, YouTube channel?

   8. BGBob Gymlan0:24

      Um, I've always, uh, enjoyed doing, talking about those things, 'cause who doesn't?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Right.

   10. BGBob Gymlan0:33

       And I was always kinda surprised at how shitty they are usually talked about. I just saw the shooting star.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs) There it goes. Yeah.

   12. BGBob Gymlan0:42

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       It'll trick you.

   14. BGBob Gymlan0:43

       Like, so often, you see this type of content. It's like, "Is there a monster in the woods?"

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Right.

   16. BGBob Gymlan0:49

       And it's like, that's not the question. The question is more complex than that, and I often don't see it brought up that way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       There's something about these st- like today, I listened to the creepiest Bigfoot story one, that one that you had with the- the one where the guy wrote in a story about the Bigfoot-

   18. BGBob Gymlan1:07

       Burying stuff in the backyard?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yeah, that one.

   20. BGBob Gymlan1:10

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       And there's something about those that, like, even if you don't believe in Bigfoot, 'cause I n- don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, there's something about it that's so compelling. There's something about things that you don't know out there in the woods that n- y- 'cause you don't have an accurate, a, a real good account of everything that's in the forest.

   22. BGBob Gymlan1:32

       Of course.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       You know, you look out there, it's dark. And the mind is always looking for some weirdness. The mind is always looking for something that n- s- other people don't know about, or perhaps there's, like, a secret that the sheriffs know about that they don't share with everybody else. Like, why is that so, why does that resonate so much with people? With Stephen King movies, like, or Stephen King books, it's like that kind of a thing. There's something about it that's, like, exciting.

   24. BGBob Gymlan1:57

       Right. Um, (laughs) I'm more of a Dean Koontz fan than Stephen King.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       Oh, okay.

   26. BGBob Gymlan2:01

       To be-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       Yeah, he's great, too.

   28. BGBob Gymlan2:03

       Yeah. Um.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       You don't like Stephen King? Is that what you're try- you trying to throw shade?

   30. BGBob Gymlan2:07

       He's, his politics ruined it for me.
2. 3:58 – 5:08

   Old-school horror influences, naming the channel, and Bob’s approach to narration

   1. BGBob Gymlan3:58

      Right. Well, that, yeah, that, that's actually why I chose the name Bob Gimlin, because I, I, you know, Bob Gimlin's obviously the guy who was there when the Patterson footage was shot.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Right.

   3. BGBob Gymlan4:08

      And it, it has, so (laughs) my Google account or my YouTube account name, way before I started the channel, was Bob Gimlin.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:15

      Oh.

   5. BGBob Gymlan4:16

      And my real name is Brian Gagnon. And, uh, all I used YouTube for was Bigfoot content and like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      (laughs)

   7. BGBob Gymlan4:23

      ... watching Bob Dylan rips. I'm a huge fan of Bob Dylan.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      Oh, cool.

   9. BGBob Gymlan4:27

      So I thought Bob Gimlin was a cool name, and it kind of evokes back to, like, just a kinda Rod Serling-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Hmm.

   11. BGBob Gymlan4:34

       ... a little bit, just like a slower pace. 'Cause so much of the content in that was just like, "Top 10 creepiest sightings."

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah.

   13. BGBob Gymlan4:40

       And it's like, whatever. It's like, I like to be a little more immersed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       Yes. You do it like radio. You do it like, uh, old school radio, like creepy radio.

   15. BGBob Gymlan4:50

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Like when they used to tell stories on like, uh, you know, people would sit, you know, p- before there was a television, people would sit around the radio and they would listen. Like, that's where War of the Worlds, that famous thing with H.G. Wells where he had a bunch of people believing that we're actually being invaded by Martians.

   17. BGBob Gymlan5:06

       In Fleetwood State?

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah.

   19. BGBob Gymlan5:08

       Yeah.

3. 5:08 – 13:41

   Flesh-and-blood Bigfoot vs. ‘woo’: perception, consciousness, and interdimensional ideas

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:08

      Yeah. So the, when did you start this channel?

   2. BGBob Gymlan5:12

      I think like nine years ago, 2016 maybe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      And was it, the beginning, was it Bigfoot?

   4. BGBob Gymlan5:18

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Have you ever had an encounter?

   6. BGBob Gymlan5:20

      No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Or is it just something that's been-

   8. BGBob Gymlan5:21

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:21

      ... fascinating to you?

   10. BGBob Gymlan5:22

       It's just always been interesting. But, so I think my talent, and I'm not even saying I'm talented, but my, what I have going for me, um, is I am so ready to believe that everything we know is BS. Like, people don't know anything. They just don't. I mean, people know stuff, but so much of what has been in history books is already wrong.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Mm-hmm.

   12. BGBob Gymlan5:45

       You know, so like, have you ever seen a chimpanzee?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       Yes.

   14. BGBob Gymlan5:48

       Like, would it surprise you to learn that, like, oh, there's a smarter one, there's a faster one, there's a bigger one? Like if, if someone, if a Bigfoot got hit by a bus tomorrow, like, I wouldn't be surprised.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       You wouldn't be?

   16. BGBob Gymlan5:59

       No, no. I, well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       I mean, I- yes.

   18. BGBob Gymlan6:01

       I would be terribly surprised.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       (laughs)

   20. BGBob Gymlan6:03

       Really?

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Yes. Yeah. I don't know if they're real, but I think they might be real. This is what I think. I have a very strange take on this, and I know it's gonna sound super stupid to anybody who's, like, cynical, pragmatist, but just bear with me for a moment. I think... The boundaries between this dimension and other ones are permeable. And I have a feeling things can cross through them, and I have a feeling we are like... If an ant is wa- like, I have leafcutter ants in my yard, pretty wild, so cool to watch them. It sucks because they kill all your trees, but so cool to watch this long train of these incredible little beings carrying around these giant pieces of leaf that they cut off, um, and they're all going into their little house, but you wave your hand over them, they have no fucking idea you're there. Like, whatever senses they have, it does not seem to detect threats from things above. They don't seem to be worried.

   22. BGBob Gymlan7:08

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       You know, they- they don't, they don't perceive us.

   24. BGBob Gymlan7:12

       Well, they're mission-oriented.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Yeah.

   26. BGBob Gymlan7:13

       And we are too. So if something is happening that's beyond our mission, I think it's hard to perceive it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       I think there's things that exist that are not perceivable.

   28. BGBob Gymlan7:22

       Oh, I- I'm one million percent in that camp too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       And I think there's heightened states of consciousness that people achieve under duress, extreme stress, fear. I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of them happen at nighttime. I think nighttime, it- it automatically fills people with a certain sense of anxiety and- and fear because you don't know what's out there when you're w- especially in the woods at nighttime. And I think in those times, when your mind reaches this unusual chemical state, you occasionally can access these- these other realities, and I think that's where Bigfoot is real. I know it sounds goofy.

   30. BGBob Gymlan8:02

       No, I mean, that's-
4. 13:41 – 17:41

   Predators up close: zoo work, mountain lions, grizzlies, and primal fear responses

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:41

      ... mountain lions. Those are the things they're really worried about, and those are the things that they see. And I... You know, I've had friends that have had encounters with them, and even those encounters seem, in some sort of weird way, spiritual. Like, there's a weird connection with these predators and prey that I think opens up a part of us that we don't ever experience. You don't ever experience a thing that wants to eat you. And when you do, I think your biology is like, "Oh, you remember this?"

   2. BGBob Gymlan14:09

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:09

      And, like, a switch gets turned on, and these genes that we've had inside of our body for hundreds of thousands of years of us running away from predators, they get ignited. And there's this bizarre connection. Have you ever, like, looked in the eyes of a predator?

   4. BGBob Gymlan14:24

      I sure have.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:25

      What have you seen?

   6. BGBob Gymlan14:27

      Um, well, I worked at a zoo, um, Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, for quite a few years. And, uh, it was just t- this Christmas, um, we went there. And, uh, the lion was roaring, going nuts. And I have footage of this I can actually show you later. But it was very close, and it was roaring, and it looked like it was gonna pounce, and I had no faith that that little barrier was enough. And I've, I've literally worked at the place, and I know, like, there are fail-safes and stuff that they can't get out, but I was just like, "Nope, this is nuts." 'Cause, you know, I, I love cats, big cats too. And, uh... Like, have you ever... Do, do you have a cat?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      (clicks tongue) I don't anymore, but I've had cats, yeah.

   8. BGBob Gymlan15:05

      Okay, like, just watching them, and now imagining that they are bigger than you- (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Oh, dude.

   10. BGBob Gymlan15:11

       ... is so horrifying.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       I saw my first large mountain lion two years ago.

   12. BGBob Gymlan15:15

       Oh, yeah?

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       It was big.

   14. BGBob Gymlan15:16

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       Like, about 170-plus pounds. And, uh, my friend Colton saw it under a tree. We were driving, luckily. We were inside the truck, 'cause it was only about 30 yards away. I would've shit my pants if I saw this thing without a barrier between us. It was so big. It was so big and so terr... It looked like a demon. Like, when you lock eyes with that thing... And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield, and also binoculars.

   16. BGBob Gymlan15:41

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       So I had, uh, 10-power binoculars, and I'm zoomed into its face. And I'm seeing it, like, just looking right at me with this pumpkin head, this bi- the big mandible muscles-

   18. BGBob Gymlan15:53

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       ... that go over the top of the skull. It's like, "Oh, Christ." And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield and binoculars, so I'm removed slightly from the, uh, the actual force of the experience of its eyeballs on me. But if I was standing there just looking at it, I probably would've had a psychedelic experience.

   20. BGBob Gymlan16:08

       (laughs) Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       I probably would've tripped out. I probably would've, I probably would've gone into shock. I saw a grizzly bear once in, um, in Alberta. I saw one of those. And not even a big one. About a six-foot grizzly bear. But it looks at you s... I've seen black bears before. That was the first grizzly I saw in the wild. And they look right through you.

   22. BGBob Gymlan16:28

       Yeah, that's the s... To me, and I've only seen footage of grizzly bears, but every once in a while, they have, like, this crackhead look, where it's like they're, they're doing that thing where they're looking to see what you got.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah.

   24. BGBob Gymlan16:38

       Like, they're just like, "What can I take from this?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Yeah.

   26. BGBob Gymlan16:40

       And they... You can't do anything to stop them unless you have a gun.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       Yeah, we had guns, luck- luckily.

   28. BGBob Gymlan16:44

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       We had shotguns. But we... When we were looking at it, it looked like it's gonna eat you. It looks like, "Am I gonna eat you?" Like, it looked like it, uh, couldn't care less if you live or die.

   30. BGBob Gymlan16:58

       Right.
5. 17:41 – 20:08

   From Bigfoot erotica to orcas: why real animals can be stranger than cryptids

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:41

      Oh, like the Come for Me Bigfoot books?

   2. BGBob Gymlan17:44

      G- No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:44

      Do you know about those books?

   4. BGBob Gymlan17:45

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:45

      (laughs)

   6. BGBob Gymlan17:45

      Well, I've, I've... (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:48

      (laughs)

   8. BGBob Gymlan17:48

      Yeah, obviously I've heard of them.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:50

      There's a whole genre-

   10. BGBob Gymlan17:51

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       ... of erotica written about Bigfoot.

   12. BGBob Gymlan17:53

       Yeah. That's not my thing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       Well, you're a man.

   14. BGBob Gymlan17:56

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       Uh, it seems to be ladies like the, um... They like their stuff in writ- writing.... that's what they like. They like reading their pornography.

   16. BGBob Gymlan18:07

       Yeah, they also like monsters.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       Yes. Yeah.

   18. BGBob Gymlan18:09

       Like, yeah, werewolves and vampires.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       Vampires, they like vampires, they fall in love with them.

   20. BGBob Gymlan18:13

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       Yeah. He's, he's gonna eat everybody else but, uh, not me.

   22. BGBob Gymlan18:15

       But you can change them. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       Yeah, you can change them. That's also why some crazy ladies like serial killers.

   24. BGBob Gymlan18:21

       Ooh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       Yeah.

   26. BGBob Gymlan18:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       Even serial killers that kill a bunch of women-

   28. BGBob Gymlan18:24

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       ... they write to them.

   30. BGBob Gymlan18:25

       Yeah.
6. 20:08 – 29:56

   Shark attacks, data bias, and the politics of ‘unprovoked’ statistics

   1. BGBob Gymlan20:08

      Well, those are... Don't listen... I don't give any mind to those, uh, the records of shark attacks.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:14

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BGBob Gymlan20:14

      Do you know h-... Well, it is so hard to report a shark attack. So, like, if I go swimming-

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:20

      Mm-hmm.

   5. BGBob Gymlan20:20

      ... right, and I leave my stuff on the beach, and I... Someone calls the police, they don't... I didn't come home or whatever-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:27

      Right.

   7. BGBob Gymlan20:27

      ... and they find me mangled on the beach the next day, I had a cardiac event and then was scavenged by sharks.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:34

      You think so?

   9. BGBob Gymlan20:35

      I'm positive. That's how the, um, ISAF, International Shark Attack File, it's, it's very difficult for a shark attack victim to be reported.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:45

       That's interesting. Do you think they do that so that they discourage people becoming vigilantes and going out and killing sharks?

   11. BGBob Gymlan20:54

       They're, they're trying to make it seem li-... I think it's legit, uh, like a Jaws thing. They want... They don't wanna make it seem dangerous.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       Right.

   13. BGBob Gymlan21:01

       But it-

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       They don't wanna s-... Make it seem like it's a bad place for tourists.

   15. BGBob Gymlan21:04

       Right. I would not go into the ocean where there are sharks. And I know that sounds nuts, but I wouldn't. It's not worth it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       My buddy, Duncan, was in, uh, Hawaii either just after, I can't remember, or just before a guy got killed by a shark at the same resort that he was at.

   17. BGBob Gymlan21:17

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:18

       Some guy was swimming, and a tiger shark just took him out.

   19. BGBob Gymlan21:20

       No, that's the... I'm actually working on a shark attack video now. Um, I was just... There's, there's a lot of untruths people talk about with sharks, I think, or may- maybe misunderstandings.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       They just caught a bull shark in Texas in a river.

   21. BGBob Gymlan21:34

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:35

       Like, real recently. And th- those are the scary ones.

   23. BGBob Gymlan21:38

       They are. But-

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       'Cause th- those fuckers are super aggressive, and they go into freshwater all the way up to Illinois.

   25. BGBob Gymlan21:43

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       They found them in Illinois.

   27. BGBob Gymlan21:44

       Alton, yeah. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       Yeah. So you're deep in this.

   29. BGBob Gymlan21:48

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       So, um, so you think it's a Jaws thing. So they're just trying to not... What do you think ever happened with that Egyptian one? The Egyptian one's the craziest one. You ever see that footage with the guys, like, screaming for his father?
7. 29:56 – 38:12

   Crocodiles, Florida invasives, and Everglades ecosystem collapse

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:56

      Well, I found out about your page because, uh, I saw the video about the 50-foot crocodile in the Congo. And, um, as a person who's ... I've always been obsessed with crocodiles.

   2. BGBob Gymlan30:08

      Okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      I, I think they're ... You know, one of-... one of the coolest animals that ever has existed, and the fact that they're with us right now. And you get to see this insane creature that can go without eating for a year.

   4. BGBob Gymlan30:22

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Lays completely still in six inches of water and then explodes and pulls a zebra into the water.

   6. BGBob Gymlan30:28

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      They're just amazing. They're amazing, and they're, they're so fucking big, man.

   8. BGBob Gymlan30:34

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:35

      They're s- like that alligator that we have out there that you saw in the lobby.

   10. BGBob Gymlan30:38

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       That's, uh, 14 feet.

   12. BGBob Gymlan30:39

       Yeah, that's not even a big alli- I mean, it's a big alligator, but it's not a-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       It's a big alligator. But it's not a big crocodile.

   14. BGBob Gymlan30:44

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       It's a little baby crocodile.

   16. BGBob Gymlan30:46

       It's not a huge alligator.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       No.

   18. BGBob Gymlan30:47

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       No, like what is the biggest alligator that have ever g- I think it's 20 feet, right?

   20. BGBob Gymlan30:52

       19 f- 19 feet, nine inches.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Oh, okay. Where, is that a Florida alligator?

   22. BGBob Gymlan30:56

       I wanna say it was Alabama.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Really?

   24. BGBob Gymlan30:58

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       No shit. Alabama, that's interesting. Yeah, like, um, it's all up in that whole area.

   26. BGBob Gymlan31:05

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Like Louisiana has a bunch of 'em. Texas has a bunch of 'em. Northern Texas has started to show alligators. There was a sighting yesterday actually. Th- there was a video that these guys took of these two alligators swimming in a lake in northern Texas. People are like, "What the fuck are they doing up here?"

   28. BGBob Gymlan31:21

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       They're expanding. When I was a kid, I lived in Gainesville, Florida from when I was 11 till I was 13. And, uh, Gainesville had a lot of alligators. Uh, it's like where the University of Florida is.

   30. BGBob Gymlan31:32

       Mm-hmm.
8. 38:12 – 42:03

   Dinosaurs in the conversation: Quetzalcoatlus, terror birds, and deep-time uncertainty

   1. BGBob Gymlan38:12

      So I'm also a dinosaur nerd.

   2. JRJoe Rogan38:15

      Hmm.

   3. BGBob Gymlan38:16

      And are you familiar with the updated Quetzalcoatl?

   4. JRJoe Rogan38:20

      No.

   5. BGBob Gymlan38:21

      So they found this trackway of now we know that they were competent quadrupeds, but this trackway abruptly-

   6. JRJoe Rogan38:29

      So Quetzalcoatl was a real thing?

   7. BGBob Gymlan38:31

      The giant pterosaurs?

   8. JRJoe Rogan38:33

      Quetzalcoatl is the Aztec god. You know, that's the-

   9. BGBob Gymlan38:38

      Yeah, I know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:38

       ... the winged serpent.

   11. BGBob Gymlan38:39

       I, I think that that's where they named the flying reptile off of.

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:42

       Oh, okay. I didn't even know that there was a, an actual dinosaur named Quetzalcoatl.

   13. BGBob Gymlan38:46

       Well, now you're making me nervous. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:48

       (laughs) Well, we don't ... Well, the good thing is we have Jamie.

   15. BGBob Gymlan38:50

       No, um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:51

       I- I'm no expert. But, uh, I r- remember Quetzalcoatl was the, this insane Aztec f- serpent. Oh, okay, here it is.

   17. BGBob Gymlan39:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:01

       Look at that thing.

   19. BGBob Gymlan39:02

       Oh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:02

       So it's a winged reptile-like bird.

   21. BGBob Gymlan39:06

       Uh, and, uh, but they found this trackway that suddenly became much, uh, longer stride, which means it started sprinting.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:16

       Whoa.

   23. BGBob Gymlan39:16

       And if you look up, um, Quetzalcoatl compared to a giraffe, they were like sprinting around. So it, they thought forever that they had to jump off something to, to make flight. But now we know that they were able to go fast enough to make their own flight. So this thing is ... They're as big as giraffes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:33

       They're as big as giraffes, and they can fly, and they're predatory.

   25. BGBob Gymlan39:36

       And it's believed that they're probably the only thing around that would have given Tyrannosaurus rex pause.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:42

       Whoa.

   27. BGBob Gymlan39:43

       N- in a fight, T. rex could obviously win, but imagine being able to sprint, 'cause that spear would do some damage.

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:49

       Wow. Wow. I didn't know that they called them Quetzalcoatl.

   29. BGBob Gymlan39:54

       Well, wingspan of 40 feet.

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:56

       Yeah. Quetzalcoatlus, the largest known animal to take the sky. Few fossilized, but known from only a few fossilized bones from West Texas. Just, uh, how mass- how such a massive animal got airborne has been mostly a matter of speculation. Some think it rocked forward on its wing tips like a vampire bat, or that it built up speed by running and flapping like an albatross, or that it didn't fly at all. But according to new research, the mammoth creature probably leaped, jumping at least eight feet into the air before lifting off by sweeping its wings. Whoa.
9. 42:03 – 49:06

   Ancient America questions: Clovis-first, the Sage Wall, and ‘lost’ civilizations

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:03

      Yeah. I think you're right. And this is like what's thrown that Clovis first, um, hypothesis into a, uh, sort of a tailspin.

   2. BGBob Gymlan42:11

      Yeah, uh, I, I, I suspect that there was a lot more civilization than we know about going on in North America particularly, but everywhere else too.

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:19

      I think you're right. I think you're definitely right. And I think, um, a lot of Native American people, um, take offense to the, uh, Bering Strait, uh, hypothesis-... you know, that people all came over here from Asia into the North American land mass through the, the Bering Land Bridge.

   4. BGBob Gymlan42:36

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:36

      A lot of Native Americans say that's a crock of shit.

   6. BGBob Gymlan42:39

      Really?

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:39

      Yeah. They think that people were always here. They think people had come from South America, they existed in South America before, they made it up through here, that people lived here, and that we really don't have an accurate account. I like to say that... I think the idea behind it is Native Americans, if they really did come from Asia, well, they're just immigrants too.

   8. BGBob Gymlan43:03

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:03

      Right? And what they're saying is there's no real evidence of that, and in fact, the evidence of human beings being here is so far back before that, before even the Ice Age, that... And the- and this is pretty clear with the footprints that they found, that there's- that... There's other explanations to how humans got here, and perhaps, even though... The problem is there's no other primates here, right? Like North America-

   10. BGBob Gymlan43:28

       Yeah. The humans didn't, uh, as far as I know, I don't-

   11. JRJoe Rogan43:31

       Didn't evolve here.

   12. BGBob Gymlan43:32

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan43:33

       Right.

   14. BGBob Gymlan43:33

       Because wasn't it only the Caucasus and Africa, I believe?

   15. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       Mm-hmm.

   16. BGBob Gymlan43:36

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       And then also primates in South America. That, that gets weird because you have different monkeys.

   18. BGBob Gymlan43:43

       That, that's a big mystery, in my opinion.

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:45

       Yeah.

   20. BGBob Gymlan43:45

       Yeah. I mean, right now, the best hypothesis is that primates came over on floating vegetation.

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:51

       What?

   22. BGBob Gymlan43:51

       Well, it made... So the distance was less, but not by a lot.

   23. JRJoe Rogan43:55

       Oh, so this is Pangaea times?

   24. BGBob Gymlan43:56

       No. Oh, it... I mean, there are still continents, but it was-

   25. JRJoe Rogan43:59

       But I mean, as it's, like, separating?

   26. BGBob Gymlan44:01

       Correct. And, uh, I don't know. That seems weird to me.

   27. JRJoe Rogan44:04

       How many monkeys are gonna get on a raft? (laughs)

   28. BGBob Gymlan44:06

       I mean, like, if there's a hurricane and it's a-

   29. JRJoe Rogan44:09

       Right.

   30. BGBob Gymlan44:09

       ... bunch of them, but-
10. 49:06 – 54:02

    Suppression and disclosure: Bigfoot coverups to UFO narratives and advanced drones

    1. BGBob Gymlan49:06

       And how long have we had the equipment to even find it? And I do think that if it is real, which is a big if, I do think it's being, um, suppressed.

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:16

       Really?

    3. BGBob Gymlan49:16

       I do. So it-

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:17

       So the government's hiding Bigfoot?

    5. BGBob Gymlan49:19

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:19

       Really?

    7. BGBob Gymlan49:20

       Would that surprise you?

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:21

       Yeah.

    9. BGBob Gymlan49:21

       It would?

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:22

        Yeah. The- I think they're too stupid to hide Bigfoot.

    11. BGBob Gymlan49:24

        They're too stupid to do it well, which is why so many people believe in Bigfoot.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:28

        Why would, why would the government hide Bigfoot?

    13. BGBob Gymlan49:31

        Um ...

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:32

        What would be the motivation? If you were the government and you found Bigfoot and you go, "You know what? We gotta keep this from people."

    15. BGBob Gymlan49:38

        I think there might be something about them that ... Well, I th- ... I ... For the same reason I think the wall is collapsing with UFO disclosure. Um, I think they ... People only recently are starting to believe that people can handle things. Or the government is only recently starting to believe that people can handle things.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:01

        That's why you think UFO disclosure is going on?

    17. BGBob Gymlan50:04

        Well, that, and they can't contain it anymore.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:07

        Um, I don't share that opinion.

    19. BGBob Gymlan50:10

        Really?

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:10

        Yeah. I think, um, they're covering for some very sophisticated drone technology. That's what I think. I think-

    21. BGBob Gymlan50:18

        Oh, really?

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:18

        Yeah. Either-

    23. BGBob Gymlan50:19

        Well, that's boring.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:20

        Maybe. Um, but I think it doesn't exclude UFOs.

    25. BGBob Gymlan50:25

        No.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        This is my re- my perspective. This is ... And again, I'm not married to this at all. This is just something that I have in my head. Um, but I believe that human beings right now are capable of propulsions. We, we ... I think we have drones that operate on a completely different propulsion system than standard, you know, rocket fuel, push ... you know, fire pushes-

    27. BGBob Gymlan50:49

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:49

        ... out the back and the thing goes forward very fast, like a jet engine.

    29. BGBob Gymlan50:53

        Bob Lazar shit?

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:53

        Yeah. Bob Lazar shit. Exactly. I think they have that.
11. 54:02 – 1:00:15

    False flags, alien motives, and ‘containers for souls’ (Bob Lazar)

    1. BGBob Gymlan54:02

       The concerning thing about that is if it was done by our own government, um, I worry that they're trying to set up for a false flag.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:12

       Like a false UFO flag?

    3. BGBob Gymlan54:14

       Yeah. Like, if-

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       An alien invasion to lock down our rights?

    5. BGBob Gymlan54:17

       Y-

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:17

       Dun-dun-dun.

    7. BGBob Gymlan54:18

       Uh, I mean, if they could stage it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:20

       Sure.

    9. BGBob Gymlan54:20

       'Cause n- ... I mean, with what you're describing, no one would assume that that's human.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        Right.

    11. BGBob Gymlan54:25

        No one. And-

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:26

        No one except for people that have followed the Bob Lazar story.

    13. BGBob Gymlan54:29

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:29

        'Cause if, if they were back engineering that thing in 1989, as Bob says-

    15. BGBob Gymlan54:32

        That's true. That's a long time ago.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        That's a long time ago. You know, that is-... that's a long time. And for them to have 35 plus years of working on that, so you gotta go back to how long did they have it. He said they've had it for decades. So, ba- ... But I think what he was saying back then was they really weren't making any progress. They were trying to figure it out and they kept bringing in new people to try to have fresh eyes.

    17. BGBob Gymlan54:58

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:58

        And that's why they brought him in. But they really don't fucking know. They, they said they, they didn't understand how it worked. They ... And they were trying to get some sort of a working model of it. But they were able to operate it, and that's what he was able to observe, and that was one of the reasons got- why he got in trouble, allegedly, where, uh, when he got fired, he brought people. And he said, "Listen, I'm not crazy. Let me show you they have fucking UFOs. I'm gonna show you this thing."

    19. BGBob Gymlan55:22

        (laughs) Right, he brought the people.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:23

        Yeah, he brought people.

    21. BGBob Gymlan55:24

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:24

        And those people all said the same thing. They all saw it. And people have filmed it too. They actually had to increase the restricted space around Area 51 because people were going to-

    23. BGBob Gymlan55:34

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        ... a very particular, uh, vantage point, and they were filming some of these things. So there's footage of these bizarre crafts that seem to be moving through the sky in a way that no conventional aircraft can do. We don't really know what they are, and we, we're assuming they're some kind of a drone or something. But I think if you go to 1989 and they have those things, and then if you have all the money in the world, which they essentially do. They could print money.

    25. BGBob Gymlan55:59

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:00

        You have black ops projects. You have things that we ... you know, because of national security interests, we have no idea what they're doing or how they're doing it. And then you get some of the best physicists in the world, some of the best propulsions experts in the world, and you throw an ungodly amount of money at this problem every year for 30 plus years. Then you develop these things. And I think that's one of the reasons why they would probably keep it secret, because I would imagine that money was moved around in probably, uh, an illegal way.

    27. BGBob Gymlan56:36

        Yeah, I mean there's ... without Congressional oversight, there's no legal way to do it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:39

        Exactly, right? So if these guys were doing that and they were funding this secret military project that they kept from Congress, th- they kept from ... Uh, I mean, who knows who's qualified to be able to see these things? But if I had something like that, I would ... That's the best cover story in the world. "We have observed crafts that are not from this world."

    29. BGBob Gymlan57:00

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan57:00

        Like, "Oh, that explains everything."
12. 1:00:15 – 1:17:24

    Bioethics and biotechnology: head transplants, synthetic bodies, and de-extinction

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       Yeah, I mean, we monkey with all kinds of things all the time. We're always messing around with creatures' DNA. I mean, there's a story that we talked about recently, uh, during World War I in Russia, where Russia was experimenting with, uh, hybridizing human beings and chimpanzees for soldiers.

    2. BGBob Gymlan1:00:31

       Orangutans too.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       Yes.

    4. BGBob Gymlan1:00:32

       Didn't they, uh ... Ugh. They, they got ... They, they moved ... They switched brains with an orangutan and a human.... and I guess the, the, the human with the orangutan brain never regained consciousness. But evidently, the, uh, human brain in the orangutan did regain consciousness.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       Really?

    6. BGBob Gymlan1:00:51

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       How did they do that?

    8. BGBob Gymlan1:00:53

       I don't know. But there's, uh, I only know this from a Monster Quest. (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Is that real? Monster Quest might be a little bullshit. Although, Monster Quest did, uh, bust one of the dumbest things that I used to believe, the dumbest. Um, flying rods.

    10. BGBob Gymlan1:01:10

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

        Oh, it was just the moths.

    12. BGBob Gymlan1:01:13

        (laughs) Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

        You know?

    14. BGBob Gymlan1:01:13

        It's just a visual artifact of, um, cameras-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

        Sure, yeah.

    16. BGBob Gymlan1:01:18

        ... where the video cameras, well, they catch these things moving fast close up-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

        Yeah.

    18. BGBob Gymlan1:01:23

        ... and it leaves a trail. And so, there was this famous group of people that thought that there was these things that were flying around faster than we can see.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

        Mm-hmm. And that they were some sort of aliens that were amongst us.

    20. BGBob Gymlan1:01:36

        That's orbs and ghost hunting to me.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        Mm. Ghost is an interesting one. What do you think about ghosts?

    22. BGBob Gymlan1:01:47

        I would be very sur- uh, I don't know. It's a tough one 'cause-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

        You know what I think?

    24. BGBob Gymlan1:01:51

        What do you think?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

        You hear them from every culture.

    26. BGBob Gymlan1:01:55

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

        That's what gives me pause. This is not, like, something that's only with, like, Europeans and Christians and people that have a specific religious ideology. This seems to be in almost every culture. There's this concept of, of dead people that return-

    28. BGBob Gymlan1:02:11

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

        ... in some sort of a mysterious form.

    30. BGBob Gymlan1:02:16

        I mean, it would be silly for a Bigfoot person to say this, but-

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