EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,020 words- 0:00 – 1:57
Why Bob Gymlan started his channel: better storytelling, fewer clickbait monsters
- NANarrator
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Yep. Okay. Salud, Bob.
- BGBob Gymlan
Salud.
- JRJoe Rogan
Pleasure to meet you, man.
- BGBob Gymlan
Pleasure to meet you, too.
- JRJoe Rogan
How'd you start doing this, uh, YouTube channel?
- BGBob Gymlan
Um, I've always, uh, enjoyed doing, talking about those things, 'cause who doesn't?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
And I was always kinda surprised at how shitty they are usually talked about. I just saw the shooting star.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) There it goes. Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It'll trick you.
- BGBob Gymlan
Like, so often, you see this type of content. It's like, "Is there a monster in the woods?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
And it's like, that's not the question. The question is more complex than that, and I often don't see it brought up that way.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's something about these st- like today, I listened to the creepiest Bigfoot story one, that one that you had with the- the one where the guy wrote in a story about the Bigfoot-
- BGBob Gymlan
Burying stuff in the backyard?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that one.
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's something about those that, like, even if you don't believe in Bigfoot, 'cause I n- don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, there's something about it that's so compelling. There's something about things that you don't know out there in the woods that n- y- 'cause you don't have an accurate, a, a real good account of everything that's in the forest.
- BGBob Gymlan
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you look out there, it's dark. And the mind is always looking for some weirdness. The mind is always looking for something that n- s- other people don't know about, or perhaps there's, like, a secret that the sheriffs know about that they don't share with everybody else. Like, why is that so, why does that resonate so much with people? With Stephen King movies, like, or Stephen King books, it's like that kind of a thing. There's something about it that's, like, exciting.
- 1:57 – 5:08
Influences, voice, and the 'Bob Gymlan' persona (Patterson-Gimlin + Rod Serling vibes)
- BGBob Gymlan
Right. Um, (laughs) I'm more of a Dean Koontz fan than Stephen King.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- BGBob Gymlan
To be-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he's great, too.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah. Um.
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't like Stephen King? Is that what you're try- you trying to throw shade?
- BGBob Gymlan
He's, his politics ruined it for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the problem, right?
- BGBob Gymlan
That's the problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
His problem is his Twitter feed.
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
His Twitter feed's fucking brutal.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, dude, stop.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right. That's nuts.
- JRJoe Rogan
These are, like, the goofiest, low testosterone boomer takes I've ever heard on anything. Like, stop.
- BGBob Gymlan
It's very true.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's such a brilliant writer. I also think, uh, he's a different guy, 'cause the car accident, I think that was a big one. You know, when you get hit by a, a van.
- BGBob Gymlan
That'll do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Shit. He, he was really, really fucked up from that. And I also think it's getting off coke. Getting off coke and booze?
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was the real Stephen King. I'm, like, I mean (sighs) , I hate to advocate alcoholism and, and cocaine use, 'cause, uh, I don't think either one of them is good for you. But goddamn, they're good for writing books.
- BGBob Gymlan
They're good for artistry, that's for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's something about his early stuff when he was off the rails. Like, he said he doesn't even remember writing Cujo.
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs) That's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Doesn't even remember it.
- BGBob Gymlan
... that's my favorite book of his.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's fucking great.
- BGBob Gymlan
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a fucking great book. Um, so is The Shining. You know, it's another one where he was, like, deep in the throws of addiction and just writing this fucking captivating book. It just, what he captured is, there's this part of our mind that maybe we don't talk about too much, where we always wonder if everybody really knows what's going on, and maybe something could happen that people didn't expect, couldn't imagine is real. And yet, you're confronted by it, you know? And that's, like, a lot of his stories. And you do a really good job of finding that f- also, you have a creepy voice.
- 5:08 – 14:09
Bigfoot belief spectrum: flesh-and-blood vs interdimensional 'woo'
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So the, when did you start this channel?
- BGBob Gymlan
I think like nine years ago, 2016 maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
And was it, the beginning, was it Bigfoot?
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever had an encounter?
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or is it just something that's been-
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... fascinating to you?
- BGBob Gymlan
It's just always been interesting. But, so I think my talent, and I'm not even saying I'm talented, but my, what I have going for me, um, is I am so ready to believe that everything we know is BS. Like, people don't know anything. They just don't. I mean, people know stuff, but so much of what has been in history books is already wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BGBob Gymlan
You know, so like, have you ever seen a chimpanzee?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BGBob Gymlan
Like, would it surprise you to learn that, like, oh, there's a smarter one, there's a faster one, there's a bigger one? Like if, if someone, if a Bigfoot got hit by a bus tomorrow, like, I wouldn't be surprised.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wouldn't be?
- BGBob Gymlan
No, no. I, well-
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, I- yes.
- BGBob Gymlan
I would be terribly surprised.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BGBob Gymlan
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah. I don't know if they're real, but I think they might be real. This is what I think. I have a very strange take on this, and I know it's gonna sound super stupid to anybody who's, like, cynical, pragmatist, but just bear with me for a moment. I think... The boundaries between this dimension and other ones are permeable. And I have a feeling things can cross through them, and I have a feeling we are like... If an ant is wa- like, I have leafcutter ants in my yard, pretty wild, so cool to watch them. It sucks because they kill all your trees, but so cool to watch this long train of these incredible little beings carrying around these giant pieces of leaf that they cut off, um, and they're all going into their little house, but you wave your hand over them, they have no fucking idea you're there. Like, whatever senses they have, it does not seem to detect threats from things above. They don't seem to be worried.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, they- they don't, they don't perceive us.
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, they're mission-oriented.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
And we are too. So if something is happening that's beyond our mission, I think it's hard to perceive it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think there's things that exist that are not perceivable.
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh, I- I'm one million percent in that camp too.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I think there's heightened states of consciousness that people achieve under duress, extreme stress, fear. I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of them happen at nighttime. I think nighttime, it- it automatically fills people with a certain sense of anxiety and- and fear because you don't know what's out there when you're w- especially in the woods at nighttime. And I think in those times, when your mind reaches this unusual chemical state, you occasionally can access these- these other realities, and I think that's where Bigfoot is real. I know it sounds goofy.
- BGBob Gymlan
No, I mean, that's-
- 14:09 – 17:41
Predators, fear, and the primal switch: lions, mountain lions, and grizzlies
- JRJoe Rogan
And, like, a switch gets turned on, and these genes that we've had inside of our body for hundreds of thousands of years of us running away from predators, they get ignited. And there's this bizarre connection. Have you ever, like, looked in the eyes of a predator?
- BGBob Gymlan
I sure have.
- JRJoe Rogan
What have you seen?
- BGBob Gymlan
Um, well, I worked at a zoo, um, Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, for quite a few years. And, uh, it was just t- this Christmas, um, we went there. And, uh, the lion was roaring, going nuts. And I have footage of this I can actually show you later. But it was very close, and it was roaring, and it looked like it was gonna pounce, and I had no faith that that little barrier was enough. And I've, I've literally worked at the place, and I know, like, there are fail-safes and stuff that they can't get out, but I was just like, "Nope, this is nuts." 'Cause, you know, I, I love cats, big cats too. And, uh... Like, have you ever... Do, do you have a cat?
- JRJoe Rogan
(clicks tongue) I don't anymore, but I've had cats, yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Okay, like, just watching them, and now imagining that they are bigger than you- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dude.
- BGBob Gymlan
... is so horrifying.
- JRJoe Rogan
I saw my first large mountain lion two years ago.
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh, yeah?
- JRJoe Rogan
It was big.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, about 170-plus pounds. And, uh, my friend Colton saw it under a tree. We were driving, luckily. We were inside the truck, 'cause it was only about 30 yards away. I would've shit my pants if I saw this thing without a barrier between us. It was so big. It was so big and so terr... It looked like a demon. Like, when you lock eyes with that thing... And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield, and also binoculars.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I had, uh, 10-power binoculars, and I'm zoomed into its face. And I'm seeing it, like, just looking right at me with this pumpkin head, this bi- the big mandible muscles-
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that go over the top of the skull. It's like, "Oh, Christ." And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield and binoculars, so I'm removed slightly from the, uh, the actual force of the experience of its eyeballs on me. But if I was standing there just looking at it, I probably would've had a psychedelic experience.
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I probably would've tripped out. I probably would've, I probably would've gone into shock. I saw a grizzly bear once in, um, in Alberta. I saw one of those. And not even a big one. About a six-foot grizzly bear. But it looks at you s... I've seen black bears before. That was the first grizzly I saw in the wild. And they look right through you.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, that's the s... To me, and I've only seen footage of grizzly bears, but every once in a while, they have, like, this crackhead look, where it's like they're, they're doing that thing where they're looking to see what you got.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Like, they're just like, "What can I take from this?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
And they... You can't do anything to stop them unless you have a gun.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we had guns, luck- luckily.
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We had shotguns. But we... When we were looking at it, it looked like it's gonna eat you. It looks like, "Am I gonna eat you?" Like, it looked like it, uh, couldn't care less if you live or die.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, like, just all it's doing all day long is searching for something slow, something with a limp, something that fucks up, something that leaves behind a kid, something that... You know, a dog's chained up to a tree. Whoops, got one.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- 17:41 – 19:40
From Bigfoot erotica to why unknown creatures fascinate us (orcas, sharks, mystery)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, like the Come for Me Bigfoot books?
- BGBob Gymlan
G- No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know about those books?
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, I've, I've... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, obviously I've heard of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a whole genre-
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of erotica written about Bigfoot.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah. That's not my thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you're a man.
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, it seems to be ladies like the, um... They like their stuff in writ- writing.... that's what they like. They like reading their pornography.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, they also like monsters.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Like, yeah, werewolves and vampires.
- JRJoe Rogan
Vampires, they like vampires, they fall in love with them.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. He's, he's gonna eat everybody else but, uh, not me.
- BGBob Gymlan
But you can change them. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you can change them. That's also why some crazy ladies like serial killers.
- BGBob Gymlan
Ooh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Even serial killers that kill a bunch of women-
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they write to them.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- 19:40 – 29:56
Shark attacks: reporting bias, 'provoked' labels, and the politics of statistics
- BGBob Gymlan
I, I keep wondering, uh, 'cause you know how orcas are going after boats now?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
None of them have, of the people that I'm aware of, have successfully gotten in the water. So I keep wondering what they would do to the people.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think there's any record of them killing human beings other than human beings in, uh, like, SeaWorld-
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and stuff like that. But that's just...
- BGBob Gymlan
Would there be a record? Or...
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a good question. Um, there would if there were survivors, and there's a lot of record of shark attacks, obviously.
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, those are... Don't listen... I don't give any mind to those, uh, the records of shark attacks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BGBob Gymlan
Do you know h-... Well, it is so hard to report a shark attack. So, like, if I go swimming-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BGBob Gymlan
... right, and I leave my stuff on the beach, and I... Someone calls the police, they don't... I didn't come home or whatever-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
... and they find me mangled on the beach the next day, I had a cardiac event and then was scavenged by sharks.
- JRJoe Rogan
You think so?
- BGBob Gymlan
I'm positive. That's how the, um, ISAF, International Shark Attack File, it's, it's very difficult for a shark attack victim to be reported.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting. Do you think they do that so that they discourage people becoming vigilantes and going out and killing sharks?
- BGBob Gymlan
They're, they're trying to make it seem li-... I think it's legit, uh, like a Jaws thing. They want... They don't wanna make it seem dangerous.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
But it-
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't wanna s-... Make it seem like it's a bad place for tourists.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right. I would not go into the ocean where there are sharks. And I know that sounds nuts, but I wouldn't. It's not worth it.
- JRJoe Rogan
My buddy, Duncan, was in, uh, Hawaii either just after, I can't remember, or just before a guy got killed by a shark at the same resort that he was at.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some guy was swimming, and a tiger shark just took him out.
- BGBob Gymlan
No, that's the... I'm actually working on a shark attack video now. Um, I was just... There's, there's a lot of untruths people talk about with sharks, I think, or may- maybe misunderstandings.
- JRJoe Rogan
They just caught a bull shark in Texas in a river.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, real recently. And th- those are the scary ones.
- 29:56 – 38:12
Alligators, invasive pythons, and Florida’s changing ecosystem
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I found out about your page because, uh, I saw the video about the 50-foot crocodile in the Congo. And, um, as a person who's ... I've always been obsessed with crocodiles.
- BGBob Gymlan
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I think they're ... You know, one of-... one of the coolest animals that ever has existed, and the fact that they're with us right now. And you get to see this insane creature that can go without eating for a year.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Lays completely still in six inches of water and then explodes and pulls a zebra into the water.
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're just amazing. They're amazing, and they're, they're so fucking big, man.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're s- like that alligator that we have out there that you saw in the lobby.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's, uh, 14 feet.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, that's not even a big alli- I mean, it's a big alligator, but it's not a-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a big alligator. But it's not a big crocodile.
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a little baby crocodile.
- BGBob Gymlan
It's not a huge alligator.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, like what is the biggest alligator that have ever g- I think it's 20 feet, right?
- BGBob Gymlan
19 f- 19 feet, nine inches.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay. Where, is that a Florida alligator?
- BGBob Gymlan
I wanna say it was Alabama.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
No shit. Alabama, that's interesting. Yeah, like, um, it's all up in that whole area.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like Louisiana has a bunch of 'em. Texas has a bunch of 'em. Northern Texas has started to show alligators. There was a sighting yesterday actually. Th- there was a video that these guys took of these two alligators swimming in a lake in northern Texas. People are like, "What the fuck are they doing up here?"
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They're expanding. When I was a kid, I lived in Gainesville, Florida from when I was 11 till I was 13. And, uh, Gainesville had a lot of alligators. Uh, it's like where the University of Florida is.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- 38:12 – 42:11
Prehistory and lost worlds: giant pterosaurs, terror birds, and de-extinction ethics
- BGBob Gymlan
So I'm also a dinosaur nerd.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- BGBob Gymlan
And are you familiar with the updated Quetzalcoatl?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- BGBob Gymlan
So they found this trackway of now we know that they were competent quadrupeds, but this trackway abruptly-
- JRJoe Rogan
So Quetzalcoatl was a real thing?
- BGBob Gymlan
The giant pterosaurs?
- JRJoe Rogan
Quetzalcoatl is the Aztec god. You know, that's the-
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the winged serpent.
- BGBob Gymlan
I, I think that that's where they named the flying reptile off of.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay. I didn't even know that there was a, an actual dinosaur named Quetzalcoatl.
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, now you're making me nervous. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Well, we don't ... Well, the good thing is we have Jamie.
- BGBob Gymlan
No, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
I- I'm no expert. But, uh, I r- remember Quetzalcoatl was the, this insane Aztec f- serpent. Oh, okay, here it is.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that thing.
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's a winged reptile-like bird.
- BGBob Gymlan
Uh, and, uh, but they found this trackway that suddenly became much, uh, longer stride, which means it started sprinting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- BGBob Gymlan
And if you look up, um, Quetzalcoatl compared to a giraffe, they were like sprinting around. So it, they thought forever that they had to jump off something to, to make flight. But now we know that they were able to go fast enough to make their own flight. So this thing is ... They're as big as giraffes.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're as big as giraffes, and they can fly, and they're predatory.
- BGBob Gymlan
And it's believed that they're probably the only thing around that would have given Tyrannosaurus rex pause.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- BGBob Gymlan
N- in a fight, T. rex could obviously win, but imagine being able to sprint, 'cause that spear would do some damage.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. Wow. I didn't know that they called them Quetzalcoatl.
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, wingspan of 40 feet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Quetzalcoatlus, the largest known animal to take the sky. Few fossilized, but known from only a few fossilized bones from West Texas. Just, uh, how mass- how such a massive animal got airborne has been mostly a matter of speculation. Some think it rocked forward on its wing tips like a vampire bat, or that it built up speed by running and flapping like an albatross, or that it didn't fly at all. But according to new research, the mammoth creature probably leaped, jumping at least eight feet into the air before lifting off by sweeping its wings. Whoa.
- 42:11 – 48:55
Ancient humans in the Americas: Clovis-first doubts and the Montana 'Sage Wall'
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, uh, I, I, I suspect that there was a lot more civilization than we know about going on in North America particularly, but everywhere else too.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think you're right. I think you're definitely right. And I think, um, a lot of Native American people, um, take offense to the, uh, Bering Strait, uh, hypothesis-... you know, that people all came over here from Asia into the North American land mass through the, the Bering Land Bridge.
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of Native Americans say that's a crock of shit.
- BGBob Gymlan
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. They think that people were always here. They think people had come from South America, they existed in South America before, they made it up through here, that people lived here, and that we really don't have an accurate account. I like to say that... I think the idea behind it is Native Americans, if they really did come from Asia, well, they're just immigrants too.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? And what they're saying is there's no real evidence of that, and in fact, the evidence of human beings being here is so far back before that, before even the Ice Age, that... And the- and this is pretty clear with the footprints that they found, that there's- that... There's other explanations to how humans got here, and perhaps, even though... The problem is there's no other primates here, right? Like North America-
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah. The humans didn't, uh, as far as I know, I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Didn't evolve here.
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
Because wasn't it only the Caucasus and Africa, I believe?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then also primates in South America. That, that gets weird because you have different monkeys.
- BGBob Gymlan
That, that's a big mystery, in my opinion.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah. I mean, right now, the best hypothesis is that primates came over on floating vegetation.
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, it made... So the distance was less, but not by a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, so this is Pangaea times?
- BGBob Gymlan
No. Oh, it... I mean, there are still continents, but it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
But I mean, as it's, like, separating?
- BGBob Gymlan
Correct. And, uh, I don't know. That seems weird to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
How many monkeys are gonna get on a raft? (laughs)
- BGBob Gymlan
I mean, like, if there's a hurricane and it's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
... bunch of them, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
How many? Th- how?
- 48:55 – 58:01
Suppressed Bigfoot, UFO disclosure, and competing theories (aliens vs black projects)
- BGBob Gymlan
That, like I said, uh, there's ... Excuse me. There's way too much going on here that, to me ... 'C-'cause it's so easy to laugh at i- ... Like, how long have we been here? Europeans, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BGBob Gymlan
And how long have we had the equipment to even find it? And I do think that if it is real, which is a big if, I do think it's being, um, suppressed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BGBob Gymlan
I do. So it-
- JRJoe Rogan
So the government's hiding Bigfoot?
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BGBob Gymlan
Would that surprise you?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BGBob Gymlan
It would?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The- I think they're too stupid to hide Bigfoot.
- BGBob Gymlan
They're too stupid to do it well, which is why so many people believe in Bigfoot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why would, why would the government hide Bigfoot?
- BGBob Gymlan
Um ...
- JRJoe Rogan
What would be the motivation? If you were the government and you found Bigfoot and you go, "You know what? We gotta keep this from people."
- BGBob Gymlan
I think there might be something about them that ... Well, I th- ... I ... For the same reason I think the wall is collapsing with UFO disclosure. Um, I think they ... People only recently are starting to believe that people can handle things. Or the government is only recently starting to believe that people can handle things.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why you think UFO disclosure is going on?
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, that, and they can't contain it anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, I don't share that opinion.
- BGBob Gymlan
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I think, um, they're covering for some very sophisticated drone technology. That's what I think. I think-
- BGBob Gymlan
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Either-
- BGBob Gymlan
Well, that's boring.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe. Um, but I think it doesn't exclude UFOs.
- BGBob Gymlan
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is my re- my perspective. This is ... And again, I'm not married to this at all. This is just something that I have in my head. Um, but I believe that human beings right now are capable of propulsions. We, we ... I think we have drones that operate on a completely different propulsion system than standard, you know, rocket fuel, push ... you know, fire pushes-
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... out the back and the thing goes forward very fast, like a jet engine.
- 58:01 – 1:30:30
Human origins and manipulation: stoned ape, DNA tinkering, and Anunnaki themes
- BGBob Gymlan
Have you ever thought that maybe we were created by their specifications?
- JRJoe Rogan
All the time.
- BGBob Gymlan
Me too. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, all the time.
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, that's the big mystery of the human brain size, right? The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years. And there's a lot of cool s- ... Like, m- my favorite story is Terence McKenna's. He had this theory, it's called the Stoned Ape Theory, and it's about psilocybin.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that these chimpanzees and lower primates started experimenting with psilocybin, and then over the course of a couple of million years, they developed language, they developed this ability to hunt better, uh, fashion tools, more creativity, glossolalia-
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... attaching sounds to objects, and that makes sense. Some sort of telepathy, uh, increased visual acuity that does come from low-dose psilocybin use. And that- that's- that seems to me like that makes a lot of sense, 'cause it coincides, um, with, uh, climate change. When, um, McKenna did this whole theory about it, one of the things he talked about is that the exact time that the rainforests recede into grasslands because of this change in the climate-
- BGBob Gymlan
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is the time where these animals emerge, start walking on two legs, and then start eating mushrooms, he thinks, and then two million years later become people.
- BGBob Gymlan
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. That's an interesting one. But the most interesting one is they came here, they saw us. We were like Australopithecus.
- BGBob Gymlan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
We were some hairy creature that was kinda primate. Like, maybe we even started using tools. And they said, "Oh, let's fuck with that DNA."
- BGBob Gymlan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Let's make a, let's make a Labradoodle." (laughs)
- BGBob Gymlan
Uh-huh. I- I don't think people think big enough in regards to that kind of thing, 'cause ... Like, if we had the technology to do what allegedly the aliens, alleged aliens do, we would be doing all sorts of crazy stuff all the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%.
- BGBob Gymlan
And, and, I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
If we could int- introduce intelligent life into a planet, if there was p- uh, life on a planet and we could introduce our DNA into these lower primates and make them more like us, you don't think we would do it? I ...
- BGBob Gymlan
Yes. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
100%, right?
- BGBob Gymlan
Yeah, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I mean, we monkey with all kinds of things all the time. We're always messing around with creatures' DNA. I mean, there's a story that we talked about recently, uh, during World War I in Russia, where Russia was experimenting with, uh, hybridizing human beings and chimpanzees for soldiers.
- BGBob Gymlan
Orangutans too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BGBob Gymlan
Didn't they, uh ... Ugh. They, they got ... They, they moved ... They switched brains with an orangutan and a human.... and I guess the, the, the human with the orangutan brain never regained consciousness. But evidently, the, uh, human brain in the orangutan did regain consciousness.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
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