Joe Rogan Experience #2189 - Dennis Quaid

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Joe Rogan 0:12 Nice to meet you, man.

Dennis Quaid 0:13 You too, man. Really.

Joe Rogan 0:14 It's been a pleasure. I've- I've seen so many of your fucking movies. It's always weird when you meet someone that you've seen so many times in movies, you know.

Dennis Quaid 0:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 It's like, "All right. There he is."

Dennis Quaid 0:22 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:22 "A real person."

Dennis Quaid 0:22 Yeah, there, there they are.

Joe Rogan 0:24 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 0:24 That's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:26 I didn't know you do, uh, you're- you released a gospel album though.

Dennis Quaid 0:30 Yeah, last, uh, last year.

Joe Rogan 0:32 That's wild.

Dennis Quaid 0:33 Yeah, it's, uh, called Fallen: A Gospel Record for Sinners-

Joe Rogan 0:38 How-

Dennis Quaid 0:38 ... because I wanted the biggest possible audience

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Joe Rogan 0:41 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 0:41 I could get.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Gospel Record for Sinners?

Dennis Quaid 0:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 How long you been singing gospel?

Dennis Quaid 0:45 Well, you know, basically I grew up at the Baptist Church, and so it's five songs that I grew up with, and it's five songs that I wrote before and during the making of the record. It's kind of like my spiritual journey, I guess. That's the way it turned out in the end. My wife, she put the, uh, order together, and that's what it seems to be, kind of my journey in life.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Was this something that you had thought about for a while, or did it just kinda...

Dennis Quaid 1:14 Yeah, uh, yeah, I wrote this song, uh, called On My Way to Heaven, and, uh, I wrote it for my mom to let her know that I was okay after I got out of, like, rehab and for cocaine in 1990. And, um, then, uh, w- uh, then I wrote the Fallen, which is kinda, like, taken from, um... Remember that movie Thunder Road-

Joe Rogan 1:39 Mm-hmm.

Dennis Quaid 1:40 ... with Robert Mitchum? You know?

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:41 It's kind of like in that vein or that- that kind of feel to it, and there- there's this highway called the Devil's Backbone up near Bandera. And so it's- it's a ride with the devil.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Wow.

Dennis Quaid 1:54 And you wind up getting left for dead on the side of the road.

Joe Rogan 1:59 So, this is just something that you felt like- like, "Fuck it. I've done everything else. Why not do a gospel album?"

Dennis Quaid 2:05 Yeah, I- I've, you know, I've- I've recorded. I've always been a songwriter. I got a guitar when I was 12 years old. My grandfather bought me at, you know, at Western Auto. It's a great place to buy guitars.

Joe Rogan 2:17 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 2:17 And, uh, uh, you know, I- I realized I was never gonna shred a guitar, so I... A songwriting became like a defense, you know, something you could bring to a band.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Right.

Dennis Quaid 2:27 And, uh, so I've always done it, and, uh, but I got this offer from, uh, Gaither, uh, 'cause they heard, Bill Gaither had heard the song On My Way to Heaven, uh, asked me to do a gospel record, so said yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Wow.

Dennis Quaid 2:44 Yeah. It was a great experience really, really. And, uh, On My Way to Heaven, in fact, um, Tanya Tucker heard it, and she called me up out of the blue. I hadn't seen her, like, in 30 years, and, uh, said she wanted to do it, so I said okay, and then she called me 15 minutes later, and she said Kris Kristofferson wants to do it.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Whoa.

Dennis Quaid 3:06 And, uh, I said wow, you know? So, um, and Brandi Carlile's doing, uh, uh, backup singing on it, and, uh, it's... And myself, and we're gonna put that out this year as a single.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Wow. That's awesome.

Dennis Quaid 3:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Wow.

Dennis Quaid 3:22 Kris is just the greatest human being.

Joe Rogan 3:24 I love that guy.

Dennis Quaid 3:25 I love him.

Joe Rogan 3:26 One of the Highway Men.

Dennis Quaid 3:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:27 You know? Come on.

Dennis Quaid 3:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:30 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 3:30 No kidding.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Wow. So you were telling me that you- you got to Hollywood in- in the '70s?

Dennis Quaid 3:36 Yeah. I went to- I went out there... I was born in Houston, you know, and grew up there, and, uh, I was in acting class, uh, Mr. Pickett, we always bring him up 'cause he... So many people actually started working... My brother was, you know, his student as well, and, uh, my brother was already out there in- in, uh, California, and he- he had been nominated for The Last Detail and stuff, so I kind of realized, hey, you can actually do this stuff, (laughs) you know, and get paid for it. And, um, I went out there in '75 and, uh, you know, uh, just driven and got an agent after about a year.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Wow. Did you have any previous acting experience, or is it something you wanted-

Dennis Quaid 4:21 Yeah, I did drama in, uh, in college. I wasn't serious about it in, uh, high school. I was gonna be a veterinarian. That's what I wanted to be. Um...

Joe Rogan 4:31 Really?

Dennis Quaid 4:31 But... Yeah. I was a vet's assistant, um, up at East Texas. I'd spent summers up in East Texas, you know, in Jacksonville, Frankston, and, uh, the... I worked for a vet when I was, you know, 14, 15, and, uh, that's what I was gonna do until one day we did like a house call out to this guy's farm to castrate his horse, and the farmer didn't want to sit out there in the field, uh, waiting for him to wake up from a full anesthetic, so they- they only gave him half of it and cinched his- cinched his legs up like this, and, uh, that horse stood up on two legs, and it was just... Man, it was horrific, and that kind of, uh... I think that's what changed my mind, maybe I should be an actor. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:22 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 5:22 And I'll play a veterinarian. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:24 The horse... Yeah, I'm sure the horse was not enjoying that.

Dennis Quaid 5:27 No.

Joe Rogan 5:27 That's... Yeah, that's got to be a bad feel... Also, as a man, like, I don't want to do that.

Dennis Quaid 5:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 I don't... I didn't do that to my dog.

Dennis Quaid 5:33 No.

Joe Rogan 5:34 I don't do that to any of my dogs.

Dennis Quaid 5:34 Now you can get that done for free in California if-

Joe Rogan 5:38 Right. (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 5:39 ... if you want. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:40 Even if you're a person.

Dennis Quaid 5:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 What the fuck? Yeah. Very different in the '70s, huh?

Dennis Quaid 5:46 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 Yeah, you went through... Like, '70s in Hollywood must have been a weird experience, man.

Dennis Quaid 5:51 Oh, it was fantastic. It was, it was amazing, man. That- that- that whole era of the '70s, you know, which started with, uh, Bonnie and Clyde and- and, uh, Easy Rider.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Great films.

Dennis Quaid 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Great films during that time.

Dennis Quaid 6:04 But there was... The French New Wave, you know, is what they called it, you know.... kind of more handheld, grittier, and i- it was the return of the, the anti-hero and the rebel hero. And, 'cause Hollywood had lost touch with their audience. You know, they were making movies like Toby Tyler and, you know, these bloated musicals, which... But, and, uh, so it, it became like the inmates had taken over the asylum. There was really new, exciting stuff getting done, like, you know, Badlands and, uh, The Conversation, and you know, which led to The Godfather. And it's, uh, that was, I think, the golden age of filmmaking.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Well, certainly some amazing films came out of that era.

Dennis Quaid 6:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 And just, uh, just seeing Los Angeles today and imagining what it was like in the '70s, it had to be... Because, I mean, really movies, if you really think about it, they were only a few decades old back then.

Dennis Quaid 7:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 It was a new thing, essentially.

Dennis Quaid 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 You know?

Dennis Quaid 7:08 They had just, like, perfected it. I mean, (laughs) really, it was only like 10 years into where, uh, all the movies were color. They, they were making-

Joe Rogan 7:19 Right.

Dennis Quaid 7:19 ... black and white movies up till like '63, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:22 Right, like The Hustler was black and white.

Dennis Quaid 7:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:24 That was '63.

Dennis Quaid 7:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 7:26 And, uh, it was an exciting time. Like I said, the inmates had taken over the asylum and i- it was a feeling like you could do just about anything. And music too was really happening in Los Angeles as well. I mean, record deals were getting signed left and right. And, uh, it, you know, there was this f- it, it's kind of turned upside down now because of all that rebellious attitude of the '70s and ev- everybody did it, sort of became the establishment, I think.

Joe Rogan 8:00 Yeah, bizarre, right?

Dennis Quaid 8:01 Same. It's, it's really kind of turned up on its ear, because the w- it started to kind of really turn politically correct in the '90s. And it, it became kind of a nobody stays at a party after 11 o'clock. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:18 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 8:19 You know, no matter where-

Joe Rogan 8:20 Is that when you went into rehab?

Dennis Quaid 8:21 No matter... (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:22 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 8:22 After that, no matter where you're going-

Joe Rogan 8:24 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 8:24 ... you know, you afterwards began to pretend you were going to bed, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:28 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 8:29 (laughs) You're-

Joe Rogan 8:30 Oh, look at the time.

Dennis Quaid 8:31 Yeah, oh, look at the time. Oh...

Joe Rogan 8:33 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 8:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:34 That's crazy.

Dennis Quaid 8:35 I guess everybody had kids too at that, by that point. But then it just, it got to where, um, where we are today that, you know, you're getting warned to keep your mouth shut, because-

Joe Rogan 8:48 Bizarre.

Dennis Quaid 8:49 ... of... It, it turned upside down, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:52 Well, it's also one ideology dominates, especially in Hollywood, dominates the entire business. You know, one of the things that I said that drove me crazy about Hollywood was there's people that had differing opinions about things, but they would never speak out because it could damage their career.

Dennis Quaid 9:10 Right, that's what's going on now.

Joe Rogan 9:10 And it really can. They, they will fucking blackball you.

Dennis Quaid 9:13 They will. I mean, they've tried, uh, you know, there were a couple attempts to cancel me while we were making Reagan, in fact. You know, uh, kind of half-hearted, I guess. But, uh, it's, it, it has become that, you know? And that ain't right. I mean, back then, you know, few people really were, I guess, conservative. Let's throw out parties and just call it conservative. I mean, you had John Wayne.

Joe Rogan 9:42 Jon Voight.

Dennis Quaid 9:43 Uh, yeah, but e- you didn't know if Jon Voight was conservative back then, so he was...

Joe Rogan 9:49 He wasn't vocal about it?

Dennis Quaid 9:50 N- not back in the '70s, no. And, but it was basically John Wayne and Charlton Heston.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Right.

Dennis Quaid 9:57 And that, you know, that was pretty much about it. But, or anybody wearing a tie.

Joe Rogan 10:06 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 10:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:07 Well, how did the rebels become... Like, what the fuck happened? How did the rebels become the establishment?

Dennis Quaid 10:12 That's, that is... Uh, we went through an era where there was, remember there was tolerance? That was what we were trying to do, like back in the teens, I think, in the 10s, where you'd tolerate other groups and all that. And that didn't last very long, and seems like one had it over the other. But if you ask me where this great divide really started, politically, I think, of course there was Watergate, but you come up to like when the Republicans had their, uh, Contract with America, I think it was like '94, im- you know, the year that Clinton was gonna be a, a lame duck president, they had that, uh, those midterms. And, um, then it started to become just along party lines, where there was no... You know, you were a traitor if you went to the other side, or-

Joe Rogan 11:10 Mm-hmm.

Dennis Quaid 11:10 'Cause we had conservative, um, conservative, uh, Democrats, we had liberal Republicans up until that point. You know, that's wh- what I grew up with. And, uh, that wasn't good enough anymore. And so it started there, and, you know, and then continued, and the, the, you know, then the Democrats really took over, and they really do it really well.

Joe Rogan 11:35 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 11:37 A- a- as far as, as that stuff, of turning things on their head. And, um, uh, you know, they're... I- I feel like today they're, you know, they were using the judicial system, uh, against Trump.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yeah, for sure.

Dennis Quaid 11:51 Which is, you know, really off the reservation.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Well, they're using the judicial system even- against Trump. The entire media establishment, other than Fox News-

Dennis Quaid 11:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:58 ... is completely against anything Republican.

Dennis Quaid 12:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:02 And it's...... full, fill- Did you see on Colbert the other day, uh, Kristen Collins, that her name?

Dennis Quaid 12:08 Yeah. Yeah, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 12:09 The way I- she said-

Dennis Quaid 12:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:10 Colbert says, uh, "FOX just reports-" uh, or, "CNN just reports the facts," and the whole audience starts laughing.

Dennis Quaid 12:16 (laughs) Yeah, they said, "Was that a laugh line?"

Joe Rogan 12:17 Yeah. He goes-

Dennis Quaid 12:18 They did good.

Joe Rogan 12:18 ... "Well, I guess it is."

Dennis Quaid 12:19 "I guess it is." Yeah. Which is hilarious. But people, people get it.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Oh, they do get it?

Dennis Quaid 12:23 That's what, you know-

Joe Rogan 12:24 Well, the pandemic, I think.

Dennis Quaid 12:25 ... bolsters me is that people do get it. Sometimes I think everybody's just swallowing this, so...

Joe Rogan 12:29 There's a lot of people that are still swallowing. A lot of boomers, a lot of older folks that are just swallowing whatever's in the newspaper and whatever's on television.

Dennis Quaid 12:37 And a lot of people aren't news wonkies like-

Joe Rogan 12:39 Right.

Dennis Quaid 12:40 ... you and I.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 12:41 You know, they just get the sound bites and-

Joe Rogan 12:43 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 12:43 ... that's what they, that's what they do it for. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:46 Well, it's disheartening. The more you do a deep dive on the actual facts about a thing.

Dennis Quaid 12:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:50 You know, like, I've heard people repeat- I've had conversations with people, they go, "Well, you know, Trump's a felon. He's, he's convicted of 34 felonies." I go, "Okay, do you know what those things are? Do you know, do you know that they are misdemeanors?"

Dennis Quaid 13:02 Misdemeanors. "Did you know that the, you know, the statute of limitations had, had run out on this little misdemeanor?"

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yeah, the whole thing is the same-

Dennis Quaid 13:08 And it wasn't a campaign contribution. Their, they just did all kind of gymnastics to make it happen. And then, the third person in the, uh, in line in the Justice Department comes back to New York to oversee this case. And, uh, you know, just...

Joe Rogan 13:28 It's just incredible.

Dennis Quaid 13:28 It's dangerous.

Joe Rogan 13:29 It's incredible. Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 13:30 It's incredibly dangerous, because-

Joe Rogan 13:31 Because it could also be turned around.

Dennis Quaid 13:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:33 You know? And there has to come a point where we go, "Stop."

Dennis Quaid 13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 You know? We have to s- we have to stop this, or we're losing our country.

Dennis Quaid 13:42 Yeah, I think they're more concerned with being in power than they are with preserving the idea of democracy.

Joe Rogan 13:48 That's- Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think par- far- some of that was certainly they were emboldened by the fact they're essentially running the country without a president for the last three years.

Dennis Quaid 14:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 14:00 'Cause he's, you know-

Dennis Quaid 14:02 He's not-

Joe Rogan 14:02 He's not there.

Dennis Quaid 14:03 Not there, really.

Joe Rogan 14:03 And since he's decided that he's not gonna run again, he's gone. He's vanished.

Dennis Quaid 14:08 It makes me- Who's running it now?

Joe Rogan 14:10 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 14:11 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:11 And then, the crazy thing is-

Dennis Quaid 14:12 And then, it's almost like that-

Joe Rogan 14:13 ... Kamala Harris.

Dennis Quaid 14:13 ... who's gonna, who's, who'll be running then because the, uh, really can't see her, like, being in charge.

Joe Rogan 14:20 No. The, it's a figurehead. That's all it is. And what's really wild is the- TheBabylonBee had a hilarious, uh, little caption. They said, uh, "'When I get in office, I'm gonna change things,' says the woman who's in office right now."

Dennis Quaid 14:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:33 (laughs) 'Cause she's in office.

Dennis Quaid 14:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:36 She's talking about fixing all these things.

Dennis Quaid 14:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Like, "Hey, you're literally-"

Dennis Quaid 14:38 From day one-

Joe Rogan 14:39 "... the vice president."

Dennis Quaid 14:40 On day one, "I'm gonna really do something about the border."

Joe Rogan 14:43 But you are-

Dennis Quaid 14:43 Says the border czar.

Joe Rogan 14:44 ... essentially the president right now.

Dennis Quaid 14:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:46 This is so fucking crazy. You'll be-

Dennis Quaid 14:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:48 ... the president for five more months.

Dennis Quaid 14:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:49 This is so nuts.

Dennis Quaid 14:50 But, yeah. Just f- she's flipped on everything except for plastic straws.

Joe Rogan 14:56 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 14:57 She still wants to get rid of those.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Did you see the thing where Trump came out and said that he was going to, uh, stop taxes for tips?

Dennis Quaid 15:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Of hospitality workers and-

Dennis Quaid 15:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 ... he would- he wouldn't tax them on tips anymore?

Dennis Quaid 15:08 Yeah, that was, like, a month and a half ago.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah. And then, she came out-

Dennis Quaid 15:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:12 ... and said she's gonna do it.

Dennis Quaid 15:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:14 She's gonna stop tips.

Dennis Quaid 15:15 As if.

Joe Rogan 15:15 And everybody cheered-

Dennis Quaid 15:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:16 ... as if it was her idea. But here's the problem. In 2022, she was one of the deciding votes-

Dennis Quaid 15:21 Oh, the tiebreaker.

Joe Rogan 15:22 ... to go after people-

Dennis Quaid 15:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:24 ... that were not reporting their tips.

Dennis Quaid 15:26 Was that on the Inflation Reduction Act or the Green New Deal?

Joe Rogan 15:31 Uh...

Dennis Quaid 15:31 The Green- Well, I think it was one and the same. I- Right, she was the, she was the, uh, tiebreaker on votes.

Joe Rogan 15:36 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 15:37 So they're gonna tax the business, uh, instead, which in turn, taxes the, the workers that are there.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Yeah. But it's hilarious that two years later, she's acting like this is her idea now.

Dennis Quaid 15:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Like, you had a chance. You could've, you could've swung it the other way two years ago.

Dennis Quaid 15:54 Yeah. Could've been right in there.

Joe Rogan 15:57 It's just-

Dennis Quaid 15:58 I- Or that, you know, she was- All the brags that she was the last person in the room when it came to the withdrawal in Afghanistan.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 16:07 And, uh, you know, we left $87 billion of military equipment there, with 13 soldiers that were killed. And we, there's still people over there in hiding.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah, and also-

Dennis Quaid 16:20 That have been, uh...

Joe Rogan 16:20 ... the people that work with us. All the people that work with us.

Dennis Quaid 16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:22 All the translators.

Dennis Quaid 16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:24 All the Afghanis that helped us. They're all fucked.

Dennis Quaid 16:27 Well, T- Trump had all that stuff. Uh, he had, he was doing it right. He had that, you know, that meeting that he had with, uh, the Taliban leadership and where he, uh, said, "What? We're gonna leave, but if one soldier's head is touched, we're gonna be back. And, and just to show you how, uh, we can do it, uh, here's your address to the-"

Joe Rogan 16:55 They had a photograph of his house.

Dennis Quaid 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 16:57 They gave it to (laughs) , gave him to them.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 16:59 And, uh, that's when they went, "Okay." Uh, really, the only thing I liked about Trump was, uh, everything that he did. I would cringe at so much stuff that he said.

Joe Rogan 17:11 Right.

Dennis Quaid 17:12 But I think his, his heart was really in the right place. And not only that, we, we need a, a really strong leader like that to deal with these assholes that, uh, run the, run the third r- Well, not third world, the other world.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 17:29 You know, there's some-

Joe Rogan 17:30 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 17:30 ... bad actors out there.

Joe Rogan 17:32 Yeah, unquestionably. And the wildest thing is that people are pretending that if he gets into office, he's gonna become a dictator, as if he wasn't in office for four years-

Dennis Quaid 17:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:43 ... and was never a dictator.

Dennis Quaid 17:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Like, the whole thing is like, we're just being gaslit and lied to on a scale that I've never seen in my life, to the point where-

Dennis Quaid 17:52 Me too.

Joe Rogan 17:52 ... CNN on television saying that they support the news becomes a huge laugh.

Dennis Quaid 17:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Or that they just speak the news objectively.

Dennis Quaid 17:59 Yeah, and, uh, it's, it's incredible. Like I said, the democrats are really good at doing it because they, they say it so boldface.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah. Well, they have so much money. The thing ab- have you ever seen the difference between Democrat donors versus Republican donors? Like, there was a chart that someone made about the amount of people that donate to the Democratic party versus the amount of people that vote- that d- donate to the Republican party. It's shocking. Big donors-

Dennis Quaid 18:26 Big donors.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Shocking.

Dennis Quaid 18:28 It's... That's where it's completely turned upside down.

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 18:31 Because it used to be Republicans who were known as the fat cats and big oil and-

Joe Rogan 18:35 Right.

Dennis Quaid 18:35 ... you know, big business and all that would, uh, would be the big supporters and donors of the Republicans, and it was like those five and ten dollar donations were- of, uh, the Democratic party, because they're really a coalition of groups. But then, I think starting with Obama, es- especially, it started, it- with social media, it really started to, uh, get into more of a corporate type of tech oligarchy-

Joe Rogan 19:06 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 19:06 ... that is-

Joe Rogan 19:07 Yeah, tech oligarchy.

Dennis Quaid 19:08 ... kind of, going on.

Joe Rogan 19:08 That's a great way to put it. That's really what it is, right?

Dennis Quaid 19:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:11 It's a tech oligarchy. The te- the tech thing's nuts 'cause nobody anticipated (clears throat) that these corporations were gonna have this insane amount of influence and power over people. You know, I've had this guy Robert Epstein on my podcast before. I don't know if you've ever seen his work, but he ba- basically does a statistical analysis of Google search results, and what Google does to change people's opinions and how much of an effect it can have on swaying an election. Because if you go look for Trump rally, you'll see a bunch of Kamala Harris things. If you go-

Dennis Quaid 19:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:42 ... to try to find something negative about Kamala, you'll find something... All these positive things about Kamala. So these quick searches, where... Which most people do. Most people aren't doing deep dives for hours-

Dennis Quaid 19:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:53 ... where they're going and, you know, reading and finding other alternative sources of information. They get their information from a Google search. And that Google search, if you can curate it and make sure that all the positive stuff about the people that you want is up front, and all the negative stuff about the people that you don't want is up front, you could shift people's opinions by 20%, 30%.

Dennis Quaid 20:13 Of course you can.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 20:14 You know? And it's... With the algorithms that they have, they already know your preferences and-

Joe Rogan 20:20 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 20:20 ... basically, you know, who you are to begin with.

Joe Rogan 20:23 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 20:23 And, uh, they can maneuver that way. It's not-

Joe Rogan 20:27 And it should be illegal.

Dennis Quaid 20:27 It's not just the Russians. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:29 We should have search results... Which s- search results should be completely unbiased. Like, that should be, that should be a law, because if you can curate searches, if you can curate people's access to information and hide things, that should be illegal. Th- there should be nothing that has anything to do with political ideology when it comes to searching for information. It should just be whatever the information is.

Dennis Quaid 20:54 I completely agree with you. As... Well, for one thing, as Ronald Reagan said, "Democracy can handle it."

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 21:01 You know? Uh, and, yeahhe was... He testified before the House sub-committee back, back in the day, you know, House of Un-American Activities. And, uh, it said basically just let the commu... Uh, let the communists go ahead and state their cause. There's... It's okay to have a Communist Party in this country because i- the exchange of ideas, and it'll... Everything will play out and democracy can handle it.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 21:26 But (clears throat) we're kind of... Excuse me. We're kind of going through, uh, with Reagan right now, the movie, we're going through a, um... We're being, uh... Censorship is happening to us, uh, through Facebook. They, uh... Facebook banned advertising and, uh, a lot of the podcasts. This one will probably be banned (laughs) on Facebook, uh, a- as well. It's over the last couple of months.

Joe Rogan 21:54 Really?

Dennis Quaid 21:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:55 Just because it's a po- Is it a positive film about Reagan? Is that what the idea is that's bothering them?

Dennis Quaid 22:00 Well, it's, um... I see it as it's a, it's a bio- you know, it's a biopic is really what it is.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 22:05 It follows him from when he was a, a boy in Dixon all the way through when he said goodbye to the American people when he was diagnosed for Alzheimer's, you know, after he was president. And, um, it's a fight against communism, you know, which he fought all of his life. And... But they... The reason being was that the, the content in it was, uh, an attempt to sway an election. A, a movie. I mean, the last time I heard, you know, Reagan was on the ballot 40 years ago was, was the last time.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Do you think if you made a positive Obama movie it would be to sway an election?

Dennis Quaid 22:45 Well, there was an Obama movie that came out during an election year in 2020. And, you know, nothing about that. And to me, I mean, just the act of, of banning or censoring that material, as you were talking about, is an attempt to sway an election.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 23:04 And, uh, Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican, by the way.

Joe Rogan 23:08 As was Trump.

Dennis Quaid 23:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:09 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 23:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yeah. Well, it's... He has said-

Dennis Quaid 23:13 Since then, Facebook has said they've made a mistake.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Oh.

Dennis Quaid 23:16 They said that yesterday because we, we, uh, put out a letter to a... In an article in Newsweek, and, uh, they said they'd made a mistake. It was, uh, their automatic systems had detected it.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Oh.

Dennis Quaid 23:29 But, but it... Those-

Joe Rogan 23:30 How convenient.

Dennis Quaid 23:31 Yeah. Uh, I don't know what those automatic systems are, but, uh, there was a mistake in that.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Yeah, I don't understand it.

Dennis Quaid 23:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah, I, I...

Dennis Quaid 23:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:40 I don't know what's going on over there, if it's rogue employees. It's... The problem is, like, so many of those people are so ideologically captured.

Dennis Quaid 23:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:47 So many of the people that are working for any tech company.

Dennis Quaid 23:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:51 They're kids coming out of the universities, they're all left wing.

Dennis Quaid 23:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:53 There's very few right wing people involved. It's a pr- a tiny, tiny percentage.

Dennis Quaid 23:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:57 And they all feel like it's their duty. They feel like they're activists before they're even anything else.

Dennis Quaid 24:01 To save America.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Yeah, which is, like-

Dennis Quaid 24:03 So they've-

Joe Rogan 24:03 ... from what?

Dennis Quaid 24:05 ... totally drank the Kool-Aid.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 24:07 If you ask me.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Yeah, it's, it's, um... That's what's unfortunate about the way Trump talks.

Dennis Quaid 24:11 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 24:12 Because the way Trump talks, it's easy to make him the enemy, because he seems like a mean, old, rich man, you know?

Dennis Quaid 24:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:19 And so in their eyes, that is... That's everything that's wrong in the world.

Dennis Quaid 24:23 Yes. They'll go after...... you, to make fun of you personally or whatever. And-

Joe Rogan 24:28 Yeah, but he didn't prosecute Hillary.

Dennis Quaid 24:29 ... and talk in those terms, so you see... He's, you know, it feels like a schoolyard bully or whatever.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Right, right.

Dennis Quaid 24:33 But it's, it's... He's, you know, with, uh, you know, all the things they did to Trump, I do believe him when he, uh, as far as revenge and all that stuff, that the, uh, success in the election would be his revenge.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 24:51 And I really believe that, uh, um, if, if it was Biden who was, you know, impeached or going to jail or whatever, I think Trump would pardon him, tell you the truth. I don't think he wants anybody to, uh, see a, a president in jail, because that really changes our country.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Well, he has said that openly about Hillary.

Dennis Quaid 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Like when he got into office, there was a lot of people that were pressing him to prosecute her, to go after her.

Dennis Quaid 25:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:17 For the email thing, for a lot of different things. And he said, "No, that'd be a terrible look. It'd be terrible for our country. The wife of the former president of the United States? No way."

Dennis Quaid 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 And he didn't do it. So all these things that people think he's going to do, well, he had the opportunity to do those things four years ago. And they're thinking now, they've done so many egregious things to him now with all the prosecutions and then the, the years and years of Russiagate. Every fucking news network saying something.

Dennis Quaid 25:42 It started at day one.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 25:42 It started at day o- even before he-

Joe Rogan 25:44 Even before.

Dennis Quaid 25:44 ... he got int- uh, got into office. You know, they were... But, you know, I wasn't... I, myself, I wasn't going to vote for Trump, uh, this time around. I was wanting them to find another candidate, you know, that would kind of calm things down a bit.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Right.

Dennis Quaid 26:02 That's... Because that... I thought that's what we needed. We need to, to calm things down. But then when they went after him with the judicial system, uh, uh, these, like, stupid charges-

Joe Rogan 26:15 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 26:16 ... but that, uh, that, uh, that's, that's when things changed for me. 'Cause then you're, then you're messing with the Constitution.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Right.

Dennis Quaid 26:24 And, uh, you know, we can't go back from that-

Joe Rogan 26:26 Right.

Dennis Quaid 26:27 ... after, after something like that happens.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Right.

Dennis Quaid 26:30 And so that's why I'm jumping in, uh, all for Trump.

Joe Rogan 26:35 And the other thing is, people need to understand that even if you hate Trump, if you normalize weaponizing the judicial system against a political candidate, that can be used against your party too.

Dennis Quaid 26:49 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 26:49 And if someone gets in, like if Vivek Ramaswamy gets in or if Ron DeSantis gets in and he starts doing the same things that they did to Trump, then we have chaos.

Dennis Quaid 26:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Then we're a banana republic.

Dennis Quaid 27:01 We're, we're a fucking Venezuela.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Exactly. Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 27:03 Where you can, you can go down the line-

Joe Rogan 27:05 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 27:05 ... on how that works.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Exactly. Yeah, it's terrifying. We're, we're like the last hope for this whole idea of this experiment in self-government.

Dennis Quaid 27:15 Ronald Reagan said that, that, you know, these freedoms that we take for granted, they can be lost in a generation. And I always thought, "Well, it's kind of really high talk and all that stuff." But...

Joe Rogan 27:28 It's true.

Dennis Quaid 27:29 It's true.

Joe Rogan 27:29 It's true.

Dennis Quaid 27:30 Uh, these are the craziest times-

Joe Rogan 27:32 Yeah, the, the craziest.

Dennis Quaid 27:33 And, and fascinating, by the way, that I've, I've ever lived in. It, it... I mean, it makes the '60s look like a, you know, sandbox play.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Yep. Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 27:45 They really did.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Well, it's because tech's involved and AI and deepfakes and, and just so much, so many shenanigans are going on simultaneously. It's just, it's a, such a bizarre... It's a great time for comedy. There's so much shit to make fun of, because it's almost like-

Dennis Quaid 28:00 True.

Joe Rogan 28:00 ... the things that are real, they're so funny, they right themselves.

Dennis Quaid 28:03 Yeah, it's true. You can't make this stuff up.

Joe Rogan 28:05 It's so nuts. The whole thing is so nuts. And the fact that these people are so ideologically captured, they can't recognize the danger of doing the things that they're doing in order to win, and, uh, that you can't fix that stuff once you put it in motion. And I, uh, I just don't... I don't know how this is gonna turn out, but I'm, I'm glu-... Like if, if this was a show, I'd be like, "Holy shit, what a great show." Like, the writing on this show is fucking incredible.

Dennis Quaid 28:30 No kidding.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 28:31 It's a cliffhanger, this for sure.

Joe Rogan 28:32 Yeah, the assassination attempt, him going, "Fight, fight, fight," and putting his fist up. Like, what the fuck?

Dennis Quaid 28:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:38 Is this real? This is crazy.

Dennis Quaid 28:40 That was-

Joe Rogan 28:40 The whole thing's crazy. And then not a press conference about the shooter.

Dennis Quaid 28:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Not a press conference.

Dennis Quaid 28:46 And not only that, but this was like, done a month later. It's... How do they do it? The, the... Nobody remembers it.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Right.

Dennis Quaid 28:53 Well, they memory holed it.

Joe Rogan 28:54 It's... Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 28:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:55 Memory holed it. It's like as if it never happened. Well, there was so little reporting on how it happened, how it could have happened, who the, who the shooter was. They get to the kid's house and it's completely scrubbed. He doesn't have any silverware in his home. Like someone was... And he... Do you know-

Dennis Quaid 29:11 His phone, it takes them, what, a week and a half even-

Joe Rogan 29:14 Oh, yeah.

Dennis Quaid 29:14 ... to like open it.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Oh, we can't get into his phone.

Dennis Quaid 29:16 Yeah. Woo. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:18 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 29:19 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 29:19 Well, how about the fact-

Dennis Quaid 29:20 That's so strange. My, uh, you know, my, my son, his 17-year-old son can get into your phone, but-

Joe Rogan 29:25 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 29:25 ... they can't get into your, they can't get into your phone.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Well, also the fact that this kid, someone from outside the FBI's office in DC had been visiting. On a... They, they tracked the g- you know, they have phone, uh, they have, uh, ad-

Dennis Quaid 29:42 Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 29:42 You know, so they can track-

Dennis Quaid 29:43 Yeah, they can ping your phone off a, a triangulate on the-

Joe Rogan 29:46 So there was a phone-

Dennis Quaid 29:47 ... the cellular towers. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:47 ... that was going from outside of DC to this kid.

Dennis Quaid 29:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:51 And multiple times. So what, what's going on? This kid's training for a l- quite a while, for over a year, it seems like. He was i- involved in like shooting training and preparing for... It's like he was being groomed.

Dennis Quaid 30:05 They were there at least like 40 times, they said, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:08 I don't know how many times.

Dennis Quaid 30:09 ... with that rifle.

Joe Rogan 30:09 It was quite a few.

Dennis Quaid 30:10 It was, it was quite a few.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Yeah. But the whole thing is very strange. It's like, how, how is this not like a deep investigation that's on the front page of every newspaper-

Dennis Quaid 30:20 I-

Joe Rogan 30:20 ... where people are trying to figure out what-

Dennis Quaid 30:21 Outrage from it.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Was this a government conspiracy to kill the presidential candidate?

Dennis Quaid 30:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:26 What happened?

Dennis Quaid 30:27 Right. Was it?

Joe Rogan 30:29 Well, and I thought-

Dennis Quaid 30:29 You know, you go back to the Kennedy... No, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 30:32 I thought the moment he got shot in Levin and he goes, "Fight, fight, fight." I'm like, "It's over."

Dennis Quaid 30:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 "He's gonna win this."

Dennis Quaid 30:38 Yes. Me too.

Joe Rogan 30:38 "He's gonna win this."

Dennis Quaid 30:39 I said, "That's it."

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 30:40 Put up his fists like that is like... (imitates punching)

Joe Rogan 30:43 And then next thing you know, Kamala Harris has one good speech and everybody's cheering, and you're like, "Wow." It's just completely flip-flop, all the talk shows, everyone's with her. A person who just a month prior was being hidden-

Dennis Quaid 30:56 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 30:57 ... because she would say so many dumb things and she would blu- and every time she had to talk openly with no script, she would blunder and fuck things up. Now, all of a sudden she's the perfect candidate.

Dennis Quaid 31:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:07 It's kinda wild.

Dennis Quaid 31:10 It's super wild. You know, they did have... and disenfranchised, uh, all those voters who had voted for Biden.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 31:20 You know, if you're talking about democracy.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Right.

Dennis Quaid 31:23 And then, uh, all of a sudden they have no say about it.

Joe Rogan 31:25 No primary, there's no one... No one g- else gets to choose, and they get the... They use the FEC filing for Biden's m- money, so, like, she gets to access that war chest, so... The whole thing's crazy. The f- and the fact that no one's freaking out about the dangers of this, and the fact that this is the first time ever that someone who nobody voted for, nobody voted for in the primaries-

Dennis Quaid 31:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:49 ... had zero delegates is now being the person who is at the front.

Dennis Quaid 31:53 Lose a point of hitting the polls.

Joe Rogan 31:55 Right. Yeah. (laughs) Allegedly.

Dennis Quaid 31:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:57 I always say with the polls, like, says who? Here's the thing about polls. Who the fuck are you asking and who's, who's talking to you?

Dennis Quaid 32:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:06 The, the people that have th- the, like, the least amount to do, the people that are willing to answer polls, the people that when you call them up say, "Do you have a few minutes of my time?" They're like, "Well, yes, I do." Most people say, "Get the fuck outta here," and they hang up the phone. The vast majority of people don't answer polls.

Dennis Quaid 32:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:22 So you have one point ahead of the people dumb enough to answer polls. Everybody else, it's like we don't know.

Dennis Quaid 32:30 No.

Joe Rogan 32:30 And so that's why the gaslighting continues.

Dennis Quaid 32:32 Well, let's put it this way, though, they've done a very good job because they do have, uh, the Republicans back on their heels about it. They, they-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Oh yeah, and I didn't think it was gonna happen.

Dennis Quaid 32:41 I didn't think so either. I thought, "Well..."

Joe Rogan 32:43 Leading up to it, I thought-

Dennis Quaid 32:44 Match.

Joe Rogan 32:44 ... he was gonna steamroll Biden. The, the administration done a terrible job over the last three years. The border's wide open. Everyone's freaking out. There's two wars going on simultaneously that could lead us into World War III at any moment. Everybody's freaking out. I'm like, when Trump was in office, there was no wars, there was no new wars, there was nothing new that he was doing that was putting people in, in jeopardy. And then all of a sudden, it was this fucking complete, total turnaround orchestrated by the media, and it happened right in front of our eyes. And now Kamala is this darling of everybody. It's like, this is wild. Like, the least popular vice president of all time is now one of the most popular presidential candidates of all time (snaps fingers) like that.

Dennis Quaid 33:26 Incredible. And, uh, you know, they're gonna... What we're talking about right now, uh, we're gonna sound like conspiracy theorists.

Joe Rogan 33:37 Oh, yeah.

Dennis Quaid 33:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm used to that.

Dennis Quaid 33:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:40 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 33:41 I'm just getting used to it, but it's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:42 I'm super comfortable with it, super comfortable with it. One of Reagan's, uh, greatest, uh, phrases, in my opinion, is, uh, the nine most terrifying words. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Dennis Quaid 33:53 And I'm here to help. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:58 (laughs) It's like, it's so true. Like, these people are just like any other person in any position of power. They wanna maintain power and they wanna make as much money as possible. It's in every corporation. When corporations get in trouble for lying about their products, it's the same thing.

Dennis Quaid 34:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:13 It's the same thing in every business.

Dennis Quaid 34:14 Ri- you got a risk management.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 34:16 You know, they, they show up at, at the door and, and, and, uh... You know, it's amazing how the, the times today are so much like the t- when, uh, Reagan was elected. You know, we had inflation, you know, ............................ We had 20% interest rates. I, I remember that because I bought a house (laughs) actually dur- during that time. There was a feeling of malaise in the country that, uh, Carter even spoke of, you know. We had hostages in Iran. I mean, we have hostages over there in Israel, in the Gaza Strip, that n- nobody's even speaking about. How's, how's that possible?

Joe Rogan 34:52 Right.

Dennis Quaid 34:53 Where's the outrage on that? A- and, uh, you know, it... And, uh, it's so much like that time. And Reagan came along and said, you know, "We're going this way." That we're not a nation in decline like we've been told that we are today. And, you know, America came back from that. I still have really great faith in the American people when it, when it comes, uh, down where the rubber meets the road.

Joe Rogan 35:23 I have a great faith in a certain percentage of the American people.

Dennis Quaid 35:26 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 35:26 I think there's a certain percentage of the American people that are-

Dennis Quaid 35:28 I hope those are the people who vote.

Joe Rogan 35:30 I, uh, yeah, I hope so.

Dennis Quaid 35:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:31 I think there's a certain percentage of the American people that are living in a movie. They, they have no real understanding of all the mechanisms that are involved that make this world work and why it's working in the way it's working and what the dangers are of it. They just, they just... There's so many people that are... They're only fed by the mainstream media, which is completely corporate-controlled.

Dennis Quaid 35:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:53 They don't know what's going on.

Dennis Quaid 35:54 In a soundbite.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 35:56 That's all it, that's all it is.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Soundbite and headlines.

Dennis Quaid 35:59 I've been an independent all my life, really. You know, I voted for Carter. I voted for Reagan twice. I voted for Ross Perot.

Joe Rogan 36:06 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 36:07 Voted for Clinton once. Uh, you know, I voted for Bush once. I voted-

Joe Rogan 36:11 I voted for Ross Perot too.

Dennis Quaid 36:12 Yeah. I voted for, uh, I voted for O- Obama once. And I... The second, the second election of that one, I sat out because there were... I just didn't have a choice. But, uh, you know, I voted for Trump the first time 'cause I went in there and it was Hillary or Trump, or it was Hillary or Trump, and I voted for Trump. And...... form again. But I've always believed, like, in the pendulum of, uh, of politics and culture and, and the world about, what is it that we need right now? And in fact, Republicans and Democrats need each other. They keep each other from going too far-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Right.

Dennis Quaid 36:52 ... one way or the other.

Joe Rogan 36:53 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 36:53 And, you know, our nation is based on compromise, which winds up being kind of the best way forward. Not everybody gets what they want, but the important stuff, it shakes out in the end.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 37:06 But that, that doesn't seem to be the way things are working right now. Or maybe it, maybe it is in the overall picture, but I just can't see it.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Well, I think what happened was, I don't think in 2016 they ever anticipated that Trump was gonna win. All the projections were that Hillary was gonna win by a landslide.

Dennis Quaid 37:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 That was all the polls, that was all the things that you saw on television. And then when Trump started winning on television, you could see it in the look of the faces of the pundits, the people that were on TV that were calling the, the election. They were baffled.

Dennis Quaid 37:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:37 They couldn't believe it.

Dennis Quaid 37:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:38 And then when it was over, there's that famous, uh, video of the lady with the sock hat and the glasses in the street on her knees going, "No!"

Dennis Quaid 37:47 (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:48 You see that? Like-

Dennis Quaid 37:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:50 ... when the, when it's announced Donald Trump's gonna be- (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 37:52 Yeah, the glass ceiling still existed. (laughs) Had not been broken.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Oh, it was crazy times. And then what's really funny is right after that, Jim Brewer had a great joke about this, that there was those women march, those marches, 'cause you know, Trump had said that gr- grab 'em by the pussy thing, and people are like, "He's anti-woman."

Dennis Quaid 38:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:09 So there's these women marches and Jim Brewer goes, "Isn't it funny? They knew what a woman was then."

Dennis Quaid 38:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:15 Which is crazy-

Dennis Quaid 38:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:15 ... 'cause that was only 2016.

Dennis Quaid 38:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:18 2016, there was no trans women, this women-

Dennis Quaid 38:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Like that, that kind of conversation-

Dennis Quaid 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... was not on the table at all.

Dennis Quaid 38:25 And, and the Me Too movement-

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 38:26 All of that just completely gone.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Now it's-

Dennis Quaid 38:31 Out the window and it, in favor of what? 0.0000 point whatever of the population?

Joe Rogan 38:39 I know, it's nuts. And it's also, it's like now women's sports are in peril.

Dennis Quaid 38:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:43 'Cause now you're having biological men with mental disease, mental disorders competing as women, saying that they're women, women winning weightlifting events, women winning cycling events.

Dennis Quaid 38:53 The, that boxer, the-

Joe Rogan 38:55 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 38:55 ... Italian boxer the other day-

Joe Rogan 38:56 The boxing's a complicated one.

Dennis Quaid 38:57 ... which gets down to be really dangerous. I have nothing against trans people.

Joe Rogan 39:00 The box is not trans.

Dennis Quaid 39:01 I was, I was in the drama department. You know, I was a drama mama, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:04 Right.

Dennis Quaid 39:04 Most of the drama department was gay at, at stuff, at, at... Grew up in that way. I used to, uh, used to play, play golf with Caitlin.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Eh...

Dennis Quaid 39:14 Back, you know, back-

Joe Rogan 39:14 When it was Caitlin or Bruce?

Dennis Quaid 39:16 When he, back when he was Bruce. It'd just be us 'cause Sherwood, it was very... There weren't many people around. Just, you know, I love the guy. Uh, and I... When he came out like that, I was really happy for him, to tell you the truth. Because to have to, like carry-

Joe Rogan 39:32 Right.

Dennis Quaid 39:32 ... that around-

Joe Rogan 39:33 Right.

Dennis Quaid 39:33 ... with what you feel inside, that's really important.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 39:37 You know? But that doesn't mean that the entire nation has to like, flip over and change to, to, to uh, accommodate-

Joe Rogan 39:45 Right.

Dennis Quaid 39:45 ... that. Yes, there could be, uh, a mall for you and... In fact, our system already accommodates everybody.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 39:55 It does.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Yeah, it does.

Dennis Quaid 39:57 But, uh, I just don't like being beat over the head and told what to think and what to feel and, uh, to p- pretend this and pretend that.

Joe Rogan 40:07 No. No, it's terrible. It's terrible for everybody. And it's just this very loud vocal minority that's very invested in pushing this agenda. And everybody else is just go- scratching their heads and going, "What the fuck?" And if you have a daughter that is to do some sort of a sport and there's trans athletes on that team, like Jesus Christ, like this is the reason-

Dennis Quaid 40:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:27 ... why Title IX was created in the first place. Like to give-

Dennis Quaid 40:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:29 ... women an opportunity to compete with women.

Dennis Quaid 40:32 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 40:32 And see, you can't say, "I feel like a woman, so I'm a woman and I'm gonna compete with women," with all the male biological advantages. Like we're... You wanna talk about science denying? There's your science denying.

Dennis Quaid 40:44 Right there.

Joe Rogan 40:44 That's... You're denying biological science.

Dennis Quaid 40:47 Yeah. A man, just by his body mass, can hit three times harder-

Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 40:51 ... than, than a woman.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Well, there's-

Dennis Quaid 40:53 In z- in that Olympic match, I mean, she's... The, the girl stopped after like 45 seconds. She'd never been hit that hard.

Joe Rogan 40:59 See, that's a different story.

Dennis Quaid 41:01 Don't kill somebody that way.

Joe Rogan 41:02 That person has a disease. That male boxer who wa- was allegedly male, who's allegedly has XY chromosomes. There's a, there's a complicated issue with that. This is like a genetic disorder that this person has, where they have very high testosterone and allegedly have XY chromosome. Y- They should do chromosome tests. I mean, this is one of the things... Do you know what the Enhanced Games is?

Dennis Quaid 41:23 Uh, I think I know what you're getting at, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:26 The Enhanced Games, they're, they're putting together this new form of athletic competition.

Dennis Quaid 41:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:31 It's gonna be this enormous event where they're gonna let people take performance-enhancing drugs. But-

Dennis Quaid 41:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:36 And so I asked them, I had them on the podcast, I said, "What are you gonna do about trans athletes?" They said, "I think we're gonna go along chromosomes."

Dennis Quaid 41:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:44 "So if you have XY chromosome, no matter what-"

Dennis Quaid 41:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:47 "... you're competing with other people that have XY chromosomes." Males, people who grew, went through male puberty.

Dennis Quaid 41:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:52 That's it. End of discussion.

Dennis Quaid 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:54 Now socially, I'll call you a woman, I'll call you whatever your name you wanna be called. I don't care at all. But if you wanna compete athletically, we're gonna pretend that the shape of the hips, the density of the bones, size of the lungs, size of the heart, the ability to react quicker, all these different advantages that we know exist.

Dennis Quaid 42:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:12 Th- This is, this is stupid.

Dennis Quaid 42:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:14 And this is... Now you're putting ideology instead of... Ahead of facts and ahead of science and ahead of the, the biological reality we know about the advantages that men have.

Dennis Quaid 42:23 Yeah. Ideology. It's like, it's like don't look behind the curtain.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 42:28 It's like Oz, you know? It's-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Well, it's-

Dennis Quaid 42:31 Don't look over there. Don't-

Joe Rogan 42:32 It's people that don't have religion, is what it is.

Dennis Quaid 42:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 And they have a new religion, and that religion is this woke ideology.

Dennis Quaid 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:38 That is, they're, uh, they're acting that way the same way, uh, a religious zealot would act.

Dennis Quaid 42:44 Yeah. Uh, yeah, complete with the doctrine and everything that goes with it-

Joe Rogan 42:49 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 42:49 ... to, to spout. And-... there is no argument.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Excommunication, everything.

Dennis Quaid 42:54 There is no exchange-- there is no exchange of, of ideas-

Joe Rogan 42:56 Right. Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 42:58 ... within that.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Well, they can't-

Dennis Quaid 42:58 There's-

Joe Rogan 42:58 ... debate, because if you debate about it, then the facts outweigh their ideology.

Dennis Quaid 43:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:04 You look at the biological facts of this stuff, it outweighs the ideology. And then you look at the transitioning children. I mean, do you... Have you ever seen any of these interviews where people go up to people and they say, um, "Do you think that a child of, uh, 12 years old is old enough to get a tattoo?" "No, no, no, no, no."

Dennis Quaid 43:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:21 "Do you think..." You know, they start asking all these people, "Do you think they're old enough to know their gender?" "Yes."

Dennis Quaid 43:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:27 "Oh, that."

Dennis Quaid 43:28 Oh-

Joe Rogan 43:28 "Oh, that."

Dennis Quaid 43:30 Oh, that.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Okay. Puberty blockers are fine. Literal chemical castration drugs that were used on pedophiles in the past. Those are fine.

Dennis Quaid 43:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Those are fine to give to kids that are fucking confused.

Dennis Quaid 43:40 And without telling the parents too.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 43:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:42 The whole thing is bananas.

Dennis Quaid 43:42 Parents having no say about it.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 43:45 Yeah. I think people, in a way, do know their gender when they're young, in a way, maybe later they look back and realize that they were that way when... You know, they were either gay or they... Or, uh, from, you know, uh, uh, uh, a place of hindsight-

Joe Rogan 44:04 Mm-hmm.

Dennis Quaid 44:04 ... in a way. But to, to let someone who, you know, under at least 18 really... I mean, even at 18, I, I didn't... How much do we really know ourselves back then?

Joe Rogan 44:15 Well, how much are you easily influenced?

Dennis Quaid 44:16 And then you can't go back-

Joe Rogan 44:17 Right.

Dennis Quaid 44:18 ... from that.

Joe Rogan 44:18 And people are very easily influenced, very.

Dennis Quaid 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 And if they're taught by the people around them that they get positive reinforcement if they go in a particular direction, people do that. I mean, how many fucking Hollywood kids... How many people in Hollywood have trans kids, and how is that possible?

Dennis Quaid 44:32 All of a sudden there's an epidemic of it.

Joe Rogan 44:34 How is that possible?

Dennis Quaid 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 How is it possible? Is it just the openness that's always been there? Or is it that this is some sort of a fucking mind virus and these people are being influenced by the positive reaction they get from saying that they're LBGTQ2+AI, whatever the fuck it is now? It's like, there's, there's a social contagion going on, and there's an aspect to that that's real.

Dennis Quaid 44:56 Yeah. These are educated people-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 44:59 ... we're talking about.

Joe Rogan 45:00 Well, that's what's nuts, right? But educated people that are not paying attention to this thing called gender dysphoria that has always existed.

Dennis Quaid 45:09 How do you think we get back... How do you think we get back to being able to have an exchange of ideas and, and not just, you know, try to put the other one in jail or-

Joe Rogan 45:20 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 45:20 ... try to dismiss them from society?

Joe Rogan 45:22 It sounds ridiculous, but I think the only way is to do what we're doing right now, and to continue talking about it as reasonable people and have people listen to it, and it shapes people's opinions of things. They go, "Yeah, they're making sense." It is reasonable. And to pretend that these psychological conditions... There's a psychological condition called autogynephilia, where men get sexually aroused dressing up as women.

Dennis Quaid 45:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:44 And... But they're usually attracted to women.

Dennis Quaid 45:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 So now these men are pretending that they're lesbians, so they're calling themselves lesbians, and they're getting on lesbian apps, and lesbians are fucked now, because now there's these men that are pretending to be lesbian that are occupying these lesbian apps-

Dennis Quaid 46:01 That have absconded their agenda.

Joe Rogan 46:02 And if you don't want to date them, then-

Dennis Quaid 46:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:04 ... you're transphobic and they'll attack you, and it's like, holy shit.

Dennis Quaid 46:07 Wow.

Joe Rogan 46:08 These are the people that were perverts in the past. And now all of a sudden they're a part of a protected class. It's very strange. It's very strange, and it's not good, and it's not sustainable. And I don't know when people are going to fully recognize the harm that they've done to all these children, that they've had mastectomies and forced-

Dennis Quaid 46:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:30 ... these fucking drugs on that killed their body's ability to produce testosterone, and they, they try to say that they're reversible. There's not... There's no fucking reversing damaging someone's puberty. That's not true. If you put puberty blockers in a boy, that is not reversible. It is not true. Not only is it not true, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that shows that there's significant danger to taking those drugs. There's blood clots and strokes and all sorts of other... And then there's the fact that-

Dennis Quaid 47:00 It's not natural.

Joe Rogan 47:01 It's not natural. None of it's natural, right? Even injecting them with estrogen, like to, so they can be their true self. If you're your fucking true self, chemicals are not invol... It's not injecting chemicals are not involved in maintaining your true self. That's nonsense.

Dennis Quaid 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:16 And it's a crazy sort of a leap, a mental leap that you have to have to make that.

Dennis Quaid 47:21 Well, we've got to get... We've got to get back to a place... I mean, looking back at the '60s and... You know, we've, we've always been kind of a nation, at least in this century, of experiments, you know, that, uh, that go on as, you know, as a society as a whole. You know, you had the flower children of back then of... And that whole counterculture-

Joe Rogan 47:42 Sure, the Riser Underground.

Dennis Quaid 47:44 ... relationship.

Joe Rogan 47:44 All that shit.

Dennis Quaid 47:44 Yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 47:45 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 47:45 You know, back then, you knew who the leaders were. It seems to be leaderless today. You know, you had... Either you had Abbie Hoffman, you had, uh, you had the Black Panthers, we had Malcolm X, you had... You knew who... Martin Luther King. You had leaders of all these movements that you could have this dialogue with or this debate with. Uh, and now it's... Who, who, who are the leaders of Black Lives Matter? Who are the lead- leaders and spokesmen for, uh, this whole trans movement that's going on? You know, and some of it is... It's... It is political. Uh, but where are the leaders for that anymore?

Joe Rogan 48:33 Well, I think the leaders are the tech businesses.

Dennis Quaid 48:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 I think that's what it is. I think the tech businesses have become a de facto form of government.

Dennis Quaid 48:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:42 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 48:42 And the only... To me that the only motivation could... Of, of that could be control.

Joe Rogan 48:49 100%.

Dennis Quaid 48:50 Con... First to control the bottom line.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 48:52 You know, of, of the money, but then, you know, the more people that you get... Have c-... kind of, you know, acquiesced control over the, uh, the, the more your bottom line is gonna go on and, and then it's about power.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 49:08 And, you know, uh, I think we've been shown in this, uh, getting back to what we were talking about before, that that really is what is going on, uh, and what was going on in 2020, if you ask me, with, with, uh, the tech companies deciding to, uh, you know, what we were gonna see and what we were gonna hear. And it's, uh, pretty much exposed.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 49:35 And it's dangerous.

Joe Rogan 49:36 It is dangerous. And it's, um ... We're not, we're not prepared for that influence. We, we didn't know it was gonna exist before. There's no laws in place to keep it in check, which is why Google's allowed to curate the search results and, and why, uh, they're allowed to censor conservative voices on social media. And in fact, one of the things we found out, like thank God for Elon Musk, because if Elon Musk had not bought Twitter, we would not have known the extent of the government's meddling-

Dennis Quaid 50:01 No.

Joe Rogan 50:01 ... into information distribution.

Dennis Quaid 50:02 No.

Joe Rogan 50:02 We would've, wouldn't have known that they were literally trying to get them to ban legitimate news stories, and they were successful with the Hunter Biden laptop story-

Dennis Quaid 50:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:12 ... but other conservative perspectives and points of view and people that were legitimate doctors and scientists that had questions about the way we're handling the pandemic.

Dennis Quaid 50:22 Which also turns out to be true.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 50:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Which also 100% turned out to be true.

Dennis Quaid 50:25 Yeah. And then when it, it's, there is no kind of, "Okay, we were wrong about this."

Joe Rogan 50:30 No.

Dennis Quaid 50:30 And this, you know, they just kind of dismiss it.

Joe Rogan 50:33 I got in a conversation with a guy who was like, "Well, you know, what about you-"

Dennis Quaid 50:36 But these are the, these are not ideological issues that you're, you're-

Joe Rogan 50:39 Right.

Dennis Quaid 50:39 ... you're talking about, uh, when it comes to medicine, especially.

Joe Rogan 50:42 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 50:42 It's that everything gets turned into a political.

Joe Rogan 50:44 That's what's crazy, that vaccines and pharmaceutical drug companies became a Democratic, liberal perspective-

Dennis Quaid 50:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:51 ... by supporting that. Like, these corporations that have the biggest criminal fines in the history of medicine, it's all (laughs) the va- these companies.

Dennis Quaid 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 These, these pharmaceutical drug companies for doing things that were illegal. They were fined billions of dollars and people still wholesale bought everything they said, and if you disagreed, you were some sort of a fringe conspiracy theorist who was a danger to everyone around you, and wow.

Dennis Quaid 51:16 Right. I know a little bit about that because my, from when my twins were overdosed when they were 12 days old with heparin at, in a, in a hospital. It had, uh, turned their blood the consistency of water. And, uh, they were off the measurable scale, in fact, for coag- coagulation of their blood for more than 48 hours, and it was scariest moment of our lives. But really about, what I learned about, uh, we did not sue the hospital. It was a, you know, a human error in that, but it, it was the drug company also which was kind of liable in that the, the 10 milligram unit, the 10-unit bottle that the kids were supposed to get was light blue and the, the adult was dark blue, and that was 10,000.

Joe Rogan 52:02 (inhales deeply)

Dennis Quaid 52:03 So, they got 10,000 three times.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Oh my God.

Dennis Quaid 52:06 Yeah. It was, it was horrific. But after that, you know, it was, it, uh, I, I testified before Congress, uh, in the Oversight Committee there, uh, uh, you know, about what had happened. And as far as the drug companies, it's impossible to sue drug companies, uh, just about. It's very difficult, hard to get them to, uh, to change anything. They're all located, for the most part, in Ill- Illinois, and they have that system wrapped up. But, uh, it's ... You know, everybody at the FDA ... I won't say everybody, but there are so many people at the FDA positions that are either, uh, former emplo- employees of drug companies or future-

Joe Rogan 52:50 Future.

Dennis Quaid 52:50 ... employees of drug companies.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Future's more likely, right?

Dennis Quaid 52:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Because they know-

Dennis Quaid 52:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:53 ... that there's a golden basket waiting for them at the end of this journey.

Dennis Quaid 52:57 Exactly. So, to get any kind of r- uh ... Uh, that's, that's wrong in itself, and, uh, to get anything real done, uh, is, is clouded, you know, by self-interest.

Joe Rogan 53:09 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 53:11 So, um, what happened, you know, during COVID was, uh, that's, they still, uh ... Uh, these boys that are, you know, dropping dead-

Joe Rogan 53:22 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 53:22 ... uh, you know, at 17 of heart attacks and, uh ... It's ... People don't trust their government anymore.

Joe Rogan 53:30 Well, even-

Dennis Quaid 53:31 And that's not the same it was back in the late '70s before that election. People didn't, since Watergate, hadn't trusted their government.

Joe Rogan 53:38 What's bizarre to me-

Dennis Quaid 53:39 But it's really bizarre now.

Joe Rogan 53:40 ... is that even with the, all the evidence of these people dropping dead, the people that are around the people dropping dead are in denial about it.

Dennis Quaid 53:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Because they all advocated for a very specific thing. And when that very specific thing may be causing a bunch of deaths, they don't wanna take credit for it. They don't wanna be in trouble for it. They don't wanna be beholden to their, the, to this idea that they had the pharmaceutical drug companies were telling you the truth and that this is the only way out of this. And if you didn't do it, we're all gonna die, and everybody went into this with this terrible fear. And because they stated that early, now they're committed to it and they, they're defending it because it's a part of themselves. Their ideas are a part of themselves. And so, you're see- like the w- the, this ... If you've look at the just ... If you look at what insurance companies are dealing with now with excess deaths, that's some of the best data that we have, this excess mortality.

Dennis Quaid 54:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:35 And the excess mortality is extraordinary. At any other time in history, if there was a thing that was rolled out where all of a sudden everybody's taking it and all of a sudden you have this amazing increase in excess deaths, and cancers that are, uh, uh, what they're calling turbo cancer. And the, uh, if you listen to Peter McCullough, he explains how this could be causing that, that the mRNA vaccines could be causing these turbo cancers.

Dennis Quaid 55:01 Yeah, because it actually changes our, our ...... molecular structure down to, you know, the chromosomes and the DNA that, that, that it's, it's, uh, it's a man-made thing, which is affecting our body in a bad way.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Yeah. And it's killing people that took it, that were advocating for it, that were tech people. There's tech people that are dropping dead left and right. And they're still, they're still on this bandwagon. And they're still letting the CDC saying, "You should vaccinate anyone under 12." Like what the fuck are you talking about?

Dennis Quaid 55:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:33 What are you talking about? This is insane.

Dennis Quaid 55:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:35 It wasn't, it was never dangerous for kids. My kids got it and they were over it in a couple of days. It was nothing.

Dennis Quaid 55:40 Yeah. I d- I got the vaccine twice.

Dennis Quaid 55:42 I had to when we were, we were, uh, when we were doing Reagan, we were shooting the movie. So, it's, uh, still at that point and it was required in order to work.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Did you have any side effects?

Dennis Quaid 55:54 Um, no. But, you know, I do know, and, and I, I actually got COVID when we were sh- uh-

Joe Rogan 56:00 Of course.

Dennis Quaid 56:00 ... shooting Reagan.

Joe Rogan 56:01 It doesn't stop with one dose.

Dennis Quaid 56:01 You know, during the assassination scene, actually. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:03 Oh, really?

Dennis Quaid 56:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:04 Oh, no way.

Dennis Quaid 56:05 We were working in a basement and we had like 50 extras, you know, and it was just... Oh, of course, it did. Just about everybody got it. But I ad- I had it bad. I was lucky it hit my, it hit me in the guts instead of the lungs. And I had, I had 100 and, uh, four temperature for, uh, a couple of nights. But, uh, you know, I was over it in a couple of weeks. And then, you know, getting the vaccine, I did have kind of a reaction to that, like a little mini version. But I've noticed that when I, uh, get a cold now, it's harder to get over.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 56:39 Everything is a little bit harder to get over now.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 56:42 And I don't think it's just me. Uh, you know, I have f- friends have, you know, we, we talk about it and the, the same thing is going on. Uh, just, uh, and, you know, it, coming from China and all that, you know, what could have happened is, could have been an exchange, a real exchange of how it had really happened, uh, and what, what the process was o- of how it happened, to make sure that it doesn't happen again, or to, during the research of the, the vaccine, to, to put that out, where, uh, you know, it could have helped there as well. There's no... D- it just winds up being, you know, everybody lines up on the side of ideology.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 57:28 I mean, I wonder, you know, if, if, uh, Trump does come into office, are they gonna say, "Oh, I won't take Trump's vac- vaccine again?"

Joe Rogan 57:36 (laughs) Well, that's how it was.

Dennis Quaid 57:38 That's how it was.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Even Kamala Harris is saying that.

Dennis Quaid 57:39 Yeah. She was saying, "I'm, uh, I'm not gonna take his vaccine when it comes out."

Joe Rogan 57:43 Right.

Dennis Quaid 57:43 Then as soon as they got, get into office, they, the very same vaccine, they said, "Yes, you should, we should take our vaccine."

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah. It's nuts.

Dennis Quaid 57:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Yeah. Very bizarre. That, that's one of the things that's so interesting, because we have more access to information now than we've ever had in all of human history. And yet, people are more divided by ideology than they are by facts, than any other time in history.

Dennis Quaid 58:06 Yeah. A lot of it has to do, I think, with, with cable news, too. People have, have, uh, you know, separated themselves. I, myself, I watch all of them, you know. On, on DirecTV there's Channel 200 where you got like six boxes on there. (laughs) And you can, you could watch all the news. And I flip back and forth, and it's like watching a different story.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Right. Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 58:27 A completely different story-

Joe Rogan 58:29 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 58:29 ... depending on where you go. And somewhere in the middle there is, is the real thing.

Joe Rogan 58:34 One of my favorite moments was when Joy Reid was comparing Biden getting COVID and, to Trump getting shot.

Dennis Quaid 58:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Like, yeah, he got over COVID.

Dennis Quaid 58:42 Right. He got over COVID.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Like, no, he got over 2024 COVID-

Dennis Quaid 58:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 ... which is basically a fucking cough.

Dennis Quaid 58:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:47 And Reagan, I mean, b- excuse me, Trump got shot in the fucking head.

Dennis Quaid 58:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah, it only grazed his ear, but that was just a miraculous turn of the head-

Dennis Quaid 58:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:56 ... at the exact right moment.

Dennis Quaid 58:57 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Which is another thing-

Dennis Quaid 58:59 You know, maybe it's shrapnel actually, or, you know-

Joe Rogan 59:00 Is that what they think?

Dennis Quaid 59:01 ... maybe it kicked some dust up.

Joe Rogan 59:02 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 59:02 I don't know. I'm just starting something new.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Well, there's a, a literal photo of the bullet passing by his head.

Dennis Quaid 59:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:08 You know, so, but there were a lot of people that denied that he even got shot. They were saying, "Oh-"

Dennis Quaid 59:12 Actually, there's three that came very close to him.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yes. There was a second one on the left side of his head.

Dennis Quaid 59:16 Yeah. One was just an inch away from, from that one, too.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 59:18 And, uh... Man, you know, if his head had blown up there in front of everybody, what would be the situation?

Joe Rogan 59:28 We- we would've gone to civil war. Civil war.

Dennis Quaid 59:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah. It could have very, very well been civil war.

Dennis Quaid 59:31 I would... I'm afraid, I'm afraid it could have been.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Yeah. There's-

Dennis Quaid 59:34 You know?

Joe Rogan 59:34 Those Trump people would have fucking loaded up their pickup trucks. (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 59:37 Do you think they would have done a more thorough investigation now? If it, if he-

Joe Rogan 59:42 No.

Dennis Quaid 59:42 ... had...

Joe Rogan 59:43 No, because that's... Listen, this is Lee Harvey Oswald all over again.

Dennis Quaid 59:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:47 But less complicated. Or actually more complicated, right? Because this is a very young kid. How did they get to him? We don't know anything about him.

Dennis Quaid 59:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:55 We don't know why he was willing to do this. We don't know wh- we, we also know he's a registered Republican, which is crazy. Like-

Dennis Quaid 1:00:01 Well, you know, one could be swayed from that, too.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Sure. Sure.

Dennis Quaid 1:00:05 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Especially at 20.

Dennis Quaid 1:00:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 You know? Like who fucking knows what happened? Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:00:08 About who is dangerous and they're gonna have to get, you know, another Republican in there just, you know... But, uh, yeah. I've been reading this, uh, Unspoken. I've forgotten the author's name. Uh, but it was, uh, endorsed by, uh, RFK Jr., uh, you know, about the assassination of, of, um, his uncle, you know, the president, John Kennedy. And it takes every piece of information that is known and puts it in a book and tells a story from it. And it, it was our government, I think, that, uh, came to, th- that killed, that killed Kennedy. And, you know, through the CIA come, you know, the dark forces within, within our government. And if that can happen, then how about today? How much...

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Of course.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Sure.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:04 Who's running things?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:06 If you, you, the only thing you can draw is, um-... conclusion you can draw is it's- it's- it's gotta be something like that. Only I can't- I can't understand why the CIA would, uh, want us out of Afghanistan (laughs) that way, or- or, you know, uh, w- why, uh, all the other stuff is going on. But I guess, again, that's for control.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Yeah. It's for control, but it's also so multilayered and so hard to figure out what's going on. I mean, we know that they had MKUltra in the 1960s, and they did mind- mind control experiments on people.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 And the idea that they just stopped that is silly.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 That's silly.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:46 They went further. Th- that's- that's how we got all those other drugs that-

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:01:50 ... turned up at parties, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 (laughs) Well, it's part of it. There's a- a- a- what was that g- this guy, Norman Ohler? He wrote, um, about, uh, drugs during the Third Reich and about how they experimented with, uh, LSD on concentration camp prisoners.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 And- And all the stuff that they were giving Hitler, like while he was in the middle- and all the stuff they were giving the Nazis. They were giving the Nazis meth.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 They were all on meth.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:16 It was crystal meth, in fact-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:17 ... uh, that, uh, that's what they were so fanatical in going out there-

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Uh-huh.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:21 ... and staying up for days.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Yep.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:22 I mean, that- that was essential to the blitzkrieg.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:26 I mean, you can't stop and take a nap over that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Yeah, three days on meth.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:29 You gotta keep on rolling down the road like a trucker.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Yep. Wild, out of their fucking minds, and he was- and Norman was explaining that they had different levels of meth that they would give to the people at the front lines. Like the guys that ran the tanks had the most meth.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 So they were just jacked out of their fucking minds-

Dennis Quaid 1:02:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 ... just storming through the north, "Arrr!"

Dennis Quaid 1:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 And then the French were drinking wine. They're just like hanging out, drinking.

Dennis Quaid 1:02:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 They were- They got like a liter of wine-

Dennis Quaid 1:02:52 Just sleeping.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 ... three-quarters of a liter of wine a day-

Dennis Quaid 1:02:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... as a ration. So they're drunk in the streets, and then the Nazis come through on meth-

Dennis Quaid 1:02:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 ... which is a way better drug for war.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 (laughs) Because wine is a terrible drug.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:01 They just went right past that imaginary line, like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:03 ... like nothing flat. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Fucking nuts, man.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:06 Really crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Nuts. Three days, through Poland. The whole thing is insane. But that they took that knowledge from the Nazis, and they started applying it, and then they started using some of those drugs and using these MKUltra experiments, and the idea that they stopped that and they don't do that now... Well, what happened with this kid? I w- Did they do an autopsy? Did they find there's any chemicals in this kid's body? We don't know. We haven't heard a fucking peep. We have not heard a single press conference. The first thing that I would have done, b- besides like try to figure out how the fuck this kid was on the roof for 30 minutes without anybody doing anything-

Dennis Quaid 1:03:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 How- how he got a rifle there, how he got a ladder there, how the snipers didn't shoot him, how they didn't go up there and- and take him out before this happened.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:49 S- Secret Service was supposed to be in those windows. I mean they had a-

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:52 ... you know, a fantastic look at him.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:03:56 But they were downstairs drinking coffee or whatever the- the hell they were doing.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Well not only that, a lot of those people were Department of Homeland Security.

Dennis Quaid 1:04:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 They weren't even Secret Service agents.

Dennis Quaid 1:04:03 They weren't even lined up and who runs the Department of Homeland Security? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 (laughs) This thing going... The whole thing's nuts.

Dennis Quaid 1:04:12 Mayorkas.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 It's nuts because I would have wanted to know what that kid was on. I guarantee there was some sort of psychotropic medicine involved. There's something involved. I do not think... If you're gonna... Let's- let's assume that someone trained him, told him how to do this. Let's assume this wasn't a young 20-year-old kid with very sophisticated detonators and remote controls and all these different things that we know that he possessed-

Dennis Quaid 1:04:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 ... and had this rifle, brought the rifle onto the roof. The whole- Also, why did he have iron sights? That's- that's baffling to me.

Dennis Quaid 1:04:44 Who was this- who was this gun instructor?

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Uh, well-

Dennis Quaid 1:04:48 Who was teaching him? There were a lot of federal officers over there went to training. I'm not saying that any of them were like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:04:53 ... you know, the ones doing it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 They probably had no idea what he was going to do. I mean anybody- In this country, we have the Second Amendment. Anyone can go and learn how to shoot a gun.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 It's, uh, you know, there's courses you can take.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 I've taken them. You could- You can go and learn how to shoot guns.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:06 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 But no one's gonna think he's gonna-

Dennis Quaid 1:05:08 But, you know, you wind up having kind of a mentor with things like that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:12 You know, it's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Well, there's probably-

Dennis Quaid 1:05:13 ... if you learn how to fight box, you know, you're gonna-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:15 ... you wind up having somebody kind of becomes your mentor.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:19 You know? And that's how you-

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:21 ... get kind of indoctrinated into something.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Right. Where's that guy?

Dennis Quaid 1:05:25 Where is that guy?

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:27 You know? The kid was really smart. He won all the science pr- (coughs) fairs, from what I understand, so he was- he was very adept at all that. But it's- to, uh, to get into the k- There's still some stuff supposedly that's encrypted that they can't touch. Like, you know, with sources over to Europe and- or whatever what they're saying, and I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 We don't know.

Dennis Quaid 1:05:52 ... I don't know what I'm talking about that, bec- uh, uh, with that, because it's only been inferred, but what are they doing? Why are they not-

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 Right, well, why is it just inferred? Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:00 Why are they not still on it, like a daily thing-

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:04 ... with like, uh, Nightline, uh, daily, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:08 ... reports about it?

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 Why didn't they test his blood?

Dennis Quaid 1:06:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Why didn't they tell us whether or not he was on any kind of medication? Like were there-

Dennis Quaid 1:06:15 Yeah, were there ties to Iran or- or- or to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Right. Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:17 ... to- uh, to China or to Russia or to Venezuela? But you- Where...

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 How is it just memory holed?

Dennis Quaid 1:06:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 It's crazy.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 It's crazy. The whole thing is crazy. And then there's like allegations of second gunmen, which is always the case with any kind of an assassination.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:35 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 The thing that would have been horrific if he- if he had won- if he had, uh, successfully shot Trump, if he killed him, and then they killed him, that would have been it.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 We would have no idea what happened, and they probably would have memory holed it all the exact same way they did it now, and then they would have said the country has to heal and move on.

Dennis Quaid 1:06:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 And-

Dennis Quaid 1:06:57 Yeah. Our long national nightmare is over.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:00 Uh, language like that. Uh, you know, what if he'd- what if the kid just been wounded?

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 ... right.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:05 I don't think he would've made it to jail alive.

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 They weren't.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:08 You know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 They weren't gonna move. They had-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:09 You know. Got it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 ... they had a clear shot on that, too.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 I just, I'm just amazed that they let him get off those shots. That's just the craziest thing to me, that they knew he was there.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:16 How did they see him running across the roof-

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 We had a-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:18 ... while Trump is speaking?

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 He had a fucking range finder.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Like-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:22 Like I use in golf.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:24 You know.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:25 They were quite good.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Like I use in archery.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 Yeah, they, he wanted to know what the yardage was-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 ... so he could hold for a particular height.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 And, but I don't understand the iron sights thing. The only thing that makes me-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:35 What are iron sights?

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 Okay. So-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:37 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 ... rifles either have a scope, which is a magnification scope, which is extremely accurate-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 ... but you have to adjust it. Or, they can have iron sights, and iron sights are like, oh, you have a pistol. A pistol is-

Dennis Quaid 1:07:47 Oh, yeah. It's between the two.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 ... two forks in the back. Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:49 Or, it's between the two forks.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 That's iron sights.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:50 Those are called iron sights.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:07:52 He did... I- I- I thought he did have a scope. He did have a scope.

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 I don't believe he did. I don't believe he did. See if that's been proven, because there's a photograph of the gun, and the gun, it looks v- very clear from the photograph that it does not have a scope on it. Scope is, you know, it's a large tube that sits on the top of the rifle.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 And you, you have to adjust that scope.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:13 And it's, it takes a little doing to even attach that-

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:16 ... does it not? I mean, some can click in, but I th- would imagine you really have to, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 It's not that complicated.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:22 ... is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 You could do it, and then you would need to go to a range and sight it in.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 The problem with a scope would be that if things are getting jostled around and knocked around, if you bang the scope on something, it can get moved just a, a fraction-

Dennis Quaid 1:08:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 ... of a millimeter to the left or to the right-

Dennis Quaid 1:08:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 ... and then your zero point at whatever he's got it zeroed at, if it's 100 yards or 150 yards, whatever it is-

Dennis Quaid 1:08:45 It's just, the angle-

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 ... it's gonna be off.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:46 ... as the angle gets, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 Exactly.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:48 The angle, it'll, the distance will get-

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:50 ... further away.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:51 So you have to probably redo it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:08:53 And-

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 I've had personal experience with that. I've, I was in a, in a deer hunt. I fell with a rifle, and, uh, I fell going up a, a snowy slope. And, uh, the rifle got banged, and my scope was off.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:04 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 By, like, six inches at 100 yards.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 So I could see how maybe... But that was because my scope wasn't tightened. Somebody had not tightened it down properly. I could see how maybe you would say iron sights-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 ... 'cause it's not that far of a shot.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:18 Yeah, because I've practiced with the iron sights.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:20 And I know the iron sights. They're, that it's not going to be... It's one factor-

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 Fooproof.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:24 ... you can take out that is-

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:26 ... uh, not gonna be a variable, right?

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 Exactly. Well, some competition shooters, the old school guys, they don't like red dots because they wanna use iron sights. Because it's so reliable. It, as long as you can line it up correctly-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 ... and as long as you have proper technique and you're accustomed to it-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 ... it's not gonna move. It's not gonna go-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 ... left or right, whereas-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:43 And you can actually see everything around you-

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 Yes.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:46 ... even better than, than looking through a scope.

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 Yeah, but if you're looking through a scope, you get magnification. So you-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:51 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 ... you could put that crosshair right on his face.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:53 Right on it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 And then-

Dennis Quaid 1:09:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 ... at 150 yards with a magnification and a scope that's on, that's a easy shot.

Dennis Quaid 1:09:59 That's really easy.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 It's very easy.

Dennis Quaid 1:10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 Especially in a prone position like he was on the top of a roof.

Dennis Quaid 1:10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 But there's so many questions. How the fuck did they let him do that? How'd they let him get up there? How, what kind of security breach is involved? H- and how about the lady who was in charge of Secret Service? She didn't wanna step down. Like-

Dennis Quaid 1:10:16 Yeah, what was that?

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 ... they're questioning her. The whole thing is insane.

Dennis Quaid 1:10:18 And they, I mean, she didn't even go to the site, uh, even a week later. She went, she went to, you know, before, uh, Congress to explain some things, and she hadn't even been to the site.

Joe Rogan 1:10:29 Yeah. It's bonkers.

Dennis Quaid 1:10:30 And the guy, the- the guy, the- the head, the head agent not being fired, they, you know, it's like he wasn't available for comment because he's still part of the, you know, he's still running the investigation. This is the guy who's responsible for-

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:10:45 ... all this happening, and he's the one that's running the investigation?

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 1:10:49 Are you out of your mind?

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 The whole thing's crazy. It's crazy. And it's, it's, it's gonna be a footnote in history that people are gonna be baffled by. And, uh, just like they're baffled by the JF- JFK assassination, they're gonna be baffled by this.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:01 Well, because he wasn't killed and his head didn't blow up in front of, you know, in front of, on national television. It's, it's, uh, yeah, it's just that. It's just a footnote.

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:13 It's not like... Thank God he missed-

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:17 ... is all I could say.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 I know.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:18 Thank God he missed.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 W- who knows what would've happened to the cou- so there's the gun. So I'm looking at that gun right now, and that gun, to me, looks like it has iron sights. This is why I say that. You see the handle at the bottom, you see the magazine. So the handle is in the far, that's the magazine-

Dennis Quaid 1:11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 ... where you're at. The fur- further one forward, and the one behind it, that's the handle, and then you see above, those are iron sights.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 So there's no scope on it. Unless-

Dennis Quaid 1:11:41 Oh, so that is a, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 ... what, that thing-

Dennis Quaid 1:11:42 ... kind of a, a, as far as regular sights go-

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 Mm-hmm.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:45 ... that's, uh, those are a little bigger than the, the regular sighting o- on a, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:49 ... on a rifle.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 Because it's, it's an AR.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:51 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 It is, it's an AR rifle.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:52 So it, I mean, maybe that's a red dot. Maybe it's a very, a miniature red dot.

Dennis Quaid 1:11:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 I, I ca- It's hard-

Dennis Quaid 1:11:58 You mean there on the middle, above the magazine?

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 But it doesn't look like it. It looks like...

Narrator 1:12:03 What's that?

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 I don't know. That's not a scope.

Narrator 1:12:07 Someone on the, that picture-

Joe Rogan 1:12:08 Yeah.

Narrator 1:12:08 ... said that the, the iron sights were set up at a 90-degree angle so, like, the- it could be shot from prone.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:14 Well...

Narrator 1:12:14 So, like, sideways.

Joe Rogan 1:12:15 You know, it- and, and I can't tell-

Narrator 1:12:15 And it was amazing for me.

Joe Rogan 1:12:17 Well, when Kennedy was shot-

Dennis Quaid 1:12:19 It's hard, it's so hard to say.

Narrator 1:12:19 They, I mean, you had the-

Dennis Quaid 1:12:22 He had the cops, like, carrying the rifle down the hallway.

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:25 So everybody, the whole public could see it.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 Right. Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:28 The murder weapon.

Joe Rogan 1:12:29 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:30 And, uh, you know, this is what Americans have, have gotten used to. They've gotten used to the idea that we're not allowed to see information, uh, that we have a right to see-

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:45 ... as a public. This country, this country is supposedly we're the boss, the people are.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:50 And we deserve, uh, information so that we can make a decision about it.

Joe Rogan 1:12:57 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:12:58 Or we can have, uh, the people that we've elected make a decision about it by giving them the power to do so, given to them by us.

Joe Rogan 1:13:07 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:13:08 And now-... that we get, uh, information is either distorted, or it's fake, or it's just withheld-

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:13:18 ... uh, and, you know, withheld and, like, that's just the way things are. And people have gotten used to that idea.

Joe Rogan 1:13:24 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:13:25 And that's how, that's how we lose our country and, uh, our demo- our republic-

Joe Rogan 1:13:32 Right. The republic.

Dennis Quaid 1:13:32 … that is, that's how we lose it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:34 Yeah. See, Google whether or not there's a definitive answer as to whether or not he had iron sights.

Narrator 1:13:40 I, I can't, I can't. I've found nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 That's so crazy that we don't know.

Narrator 1:13:44 I don't know where to look either, but I didn't find any updates.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 Did, uh, just Google this. Did the Trump shooter have a scope on his rifle?

Narrator 1:13:51 100% did. Did Thomas Crook's rifle have a scope?

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 And what does it say?

Narrator 1:13:55 There's no... I mean, I have nothing. I, I would have found the answer-

Joe Rogan 1:13:58 Yeah.

Narrator 1:13:58 ... didn't wait.

Dennis Quaid 1:13:59 From people, they always kind of portray it-

Joe Rogan 1:14:01 They always kind of pur-

Dennis Quaid 1:14:01 ... you know, in the, uh, in, in the coverage after, it was kind of, at least at first, portrayed as, uh, like a rifle with a scope.

Joe Rogan 1:14:10 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:10 In a couple of places. I, I thought it did have a scope, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:14:14 It's possible that is a, a very small miniature scope-

Dennis Quaid 1:14:17 But maybe a different-

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 ... but, like, a red dot, like on a pistol, generally doesn't have magnification.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:22 It's just, just the dot.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:24 What was he doing with the... Here's another question. Those explosive devices-

Joe Rogan 1:14:29 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:29 ... I think, uh, which were in the car.

Joe Rogan 1:14:31 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:31 What were they for?

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 Right. And how did he learn how to do that? Like where do you, where do you get those when you're 20 years old? When you're 20 years old you can't even get-

Dennis Quaid 1:14:39 I think it's, you know, like I said, he won science fairs. I think he was, you know, quite adept at, uh, at getting that info.

Joe Rogan 1:14:45 Well, wouldn't we know that this kid had Google searched how to use explosive devices and figured out how to get the detonators-

Dennis Quaid 1:14:51 Yeah. Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:14:51 ... and figured out how to wire it? How he learned... We don't know any of that.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:54 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:14:55 We don't know anything about this kid.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:55 Or a fertilizer bomb and all, that's, that, so even-

Joe Rogan 1:14:58 Yeah. Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:14:58 What were they for?

Joe Rogan 1:14:59 Right. What were they for?

Dennis Quaid 1:14:59 He had to have an intent-

Joe Rogan 1:15:01 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:01 ... for that.

Joe Rogan 1:15:02 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:03 And you can figure it out, even though he's, he's not here. You could figure out an intent, you know. Certainly wanted to get away, otherwise he would have had them on him.

Joe Rogan 1:15:15 Right. Do you think he thought he was gonna survive? I mean, was it a suicide run for this kid? That's why I want to know what drugs-

Dennis Quaid 1:15:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:22 ... was he on. We don't have any toxicology report on this kid.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:26 Which is crazy.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:28 That is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:15:28 They have it for every school shooter.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:30 Yeah, the govern- ... The people are entitled to know-

Joe Rogan 1:15:34 Yeah.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:34 ... the toxicology r- report. Uh, they... Jim Belushi died-

Joe Rogan 1:15:39 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:39 ... and they told everybody his toxicology report-

Joe Rogan 1:15:42 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:42 ... within, you know, three weeks for it, for it to come back.

Joe Rogan 1:15:45 Well, it's because he died of it, right? He died of an overdose.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:47 Yeah, but still, I'm, still-

Joe Rogan 1:15:48 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:48 ... I'm talking about the right to privacy versus-

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:51 ... versus the public's right to know.

Joe Rogan 1:15:53 Yeah. Well, in this particular ru- situation, the right to know is imperative.

Dennis Quaid 1:15:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:58 Like you have to... Is there something that was given to this kid that made him do something that insane? Because there are things that they can give you that will completely distort your understanding of reality, and which is why they gave the Nazis meth.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:14 You know, this is the, the whole reason for it, because you, you would do wild shit when you're hopped up on amphetamines.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:20 Yeah. You can give somebody Klonopin and, and start this anxiety and, you know, you don't know whether you're... You could make one decision one minute and angst about it the, the next.

Joe Rogan 1:16:31 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:31 And be very influenced.

Joe Rogan 1:16:33 Right.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:33 There's a- uh, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:16:36 Also, the idea that we know all the psychotropic drugs that the government is experimenting on, that's ridiculous too.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:42 (laughs) Well-

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 I guarantee you.

Dennis Quaid 1:16:43 ... I experimented with them a couple of- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:46 (laughs)

Dennis Quaid 1:16:47 ... decades ago.

Joe Rogan 1:16:47 What would you think?

Dennis Quaid 1:16:47 Not all of them, though. Since 1990, I've, uh... (laughs) They got some stuff coming out now, from what I hear. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:53 Well, you got off the cocaine train at the