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Joe Rogan Experience #2189 - Dennis Quaid

Dennis Quaid is an actor and musician known for his roles in films like "The Right Stuff," "Far From Heaven," and "The Rookie." See him as Ronald Reagan in the upcoming biopic "Reagan" on August 30, and find his album, "Fallen: A Gospel Record for Sinners," in your preferred format today. https://www.dennisquaidishere.com https://www.reagan.movie

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  1. 0:000:26

    Show kickoff and meeting Dennis Quaid

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. DQ

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

    4. JR

      Nice to meet you, man.

    5. DQ

      You too, man. Really.

    6. JR

      It's been a pleasure. I've- I've seen so many of your fucking movies. It's always weird when you meet someone that you've seen so many times in movies, you know.

    7. DQ

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      It's like, "All right. There he is."

    9. DQ

      Yeah, yeah.

    10. JR

      "A real person."

    11. DQ

      Yeah, there, there they are.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DQ

      That's... (laughs)

  2. 0:262:44

    Quaid’s gospel album: faith roots, songwriting, and rehab inspiration

    1. JR

      I didn't know you do, uh, you're- you released a gospel album though.

    2. DQ

      Yeah, last, uh, last year.

    3. JR

      That's wild.

    4. DQ

      Yeah, it's, uh, called Fallen: A Gospel Record for Sinners-

    5. JR

      How-

    6. DQ

      ... because I wanted the biggest possible audience

    7. NA

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. DQ

      I could get.

    10. JR

      Gospel Record for Sinners?

    11. DQ

      Yeah. (laughs)

    12. JR

      How long you been singing gospel?

    13. DQ

      Well, you know, basically I grew up at the Baptist Church, and so it's five songs that I grew up with, and it's five songs that I wrote before and during the making of the record. It's kind of like my spiritual journey, I guess. That's the way it turned out in the end. My wife, she put the, uh, order together, and that's what it seems to be, kind of my journey in life.

    14. JR

      Was this something that you had thought about for a while, or did it just kinda...

    15. DQ

      Yeah, uh, yeah, I wrote this song, uh, called On My Way to Heaven, and, uh, I wrote it for my mom to let her know that I was okay after I got out of, like, rehab and for cocaine in 1990. And, um, then, uh, w- uh, then I wrote the Fallen, which is kinda, like, taken from, um... Remember that movie Thunder Road-

    16. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. DQ

      ... with Robert Mitchum? You know?

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. DQ

      It's kind of like in that vein or that- that kind of feel to it, and there- there's this highway called the Devil's Backbone up near Bandera. And so it's- it's a ride with the devil.

    20. JR

      Wow.

    21. DQ

      And you wind up getting left for dead on the side of the road.

    22. JR

      So, this is just something that you felt like- like, "Fuck it. I've done everything else. Why not do a gospel album?"

    23. DQ

      Yeah, I- I've, you know, I've- I've recorded. I've always been a songwriter. I got a guitar when I was 12 years old. My grandfather bought me at, you know, at Western Auto. It's a great place to buy guitars.

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. DQ

      And, uh, uh, you know, I- I realized I was never gonna shred a guitar, so I... A songwriting became like a defense, you know, something you could bring to a band.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. DQ

      And, uh, so I've always done it, and, uh, but I got this offer from, uh, Gaither, uh, 'cause they heard, Bill Gaither had heard the song On My Way to Heaven, uh, asked me to do a gospel record, so said yeah.

    28. JR

      Wow.

  3. 2:443:31

    Collaborators and legends: Tanya Tucker, Kris Kristofferson, Brandi Carlile

    1. DQ

      Yeah. It was a great experience really, really. And, uh, On My Way to Heaven, in fact, um, Tanya Tucker heard it, and she called me up out of the blue. I hadn't seen her, like, in 30 years, and, uh, said she wanted to do it, so I said okay, and then she called me 15 minutes later, and she said Kris Kristofferson wants to do it.

    2. JR

      Whoa.

    3. DQ

      And, uh, I said wow, you know? So, um, and Brandi Carlile's doing, uh, uh, backup singing on it, and, uh, it's... And myself, and we're gonna put that out this year as a single.

    4. JR

      Wow. That's awesome.

    5. DQ

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Wow.

    7. DQ

      Kris is just the greatest human being.

    8. JR

      I love that guy.

    9. DQ

      I love him.

    10. JR

      One of the Highway Men.

    11. DQ

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      You know? Come on.

    13. DQ

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. DQ

      No kidding.

  4. 3:315:47

    From Houston to Hollywood: early training, family influence, and a vet career detour

    1. JR

      Wow. So you were telling me that you- you got to Hollywood in- in the '70s?

    2. DQ

      Yeah. I went to- I went out there... I was born in Houston, you know, and grew up there, and, uh, I was in acting class, uh, Mr. Pickett, we always bring him up 'cause he... So many people actually started working... My brother was, you know, his student as well, and, uh, my brother was already out there in- in, uh, California, and he- he had been nominated for The Last Detail and stuff, so I kind of realized, hey, you can actually do this stuff, (laughs) you know, and get paid for it. And, um, I went out there in '75 and, uh, you know, uh, just driven and got an agent after about a year.

    3. JR

      Wow. Did you have any previous acting experience, or is it something you wanted-

    4. DQ

      Yeah, I did drama in, uh, in college. I wasn't serious about it in, uh, high school. I was gonna be a veterinarian. That's what I wanted to be. Um...

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. DQ

      But... Yeah. I was a vet's assistant, um, up at East Texas. I'd spent summers up in East Texas, you know, in Jacksonville, Frankston, and, uh, the... I worked for a vet when I was, you know, 14, 15, and, uh, that's what I was gonna do until one day we did like a house call out to this guy's farm to castrate his horse, and the farmer didn't want to sit out there in the field, uh, waiting for him to wake up from a full anesthetic, so they- they only gave him half of it and cinched his- cinched his legs up like this, and, uh, that horse stood up on two legs, and it was just... Man, it was horrific, and that kind of, uh... I think that's what changed my mind, maybe I should be an actor. (laughs)

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DQ

      And I'll play a veterinarian. (laughs)

    9. JR

      The horse... Yeah, I'm sure the horse was not enjoying that.

    10. DQ

      No.

    11. JR

      That's... Yeah, that's got to be a bad feel... Also, as a man, like, I don't want to do that.

    12. DQ

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      I don't... I didn't do that to my dog.

    14. DQ

      No.

    15. JR

      I don't do that to any of my dogs.

    16. DQ

      Now you can get that done for free in California if-

    17. JR

      Right. (laughs)

    18. DQ

      ... if you want. (laughs)

    19. JR

      Even if you're a person.

    20. DQ

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      What the fuck? Yeah. Very different in the '70s, huh?

    22. DQ

      Yeah, yeah.

  5. 5:478:35

    1970s Hollywood as a creative ‘golden age’ and the shift to modern conformity

    1. JR

      Yeah, you went through... Like, '70s in Hollywood must have been a weird experience, man.

    2. DQ

      Oh, it was fantastic. It was, it was amazing, man. That- that- that whole era of the '70s, you know, which started with, uh, Bonnie and Clyde and- and, uh, Easy Rider.

    3. JR

      Great films.

    4. DQ

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Great films during that time.

    6. DQ

      But there was... The French New Wave, you know, is what they called it, you know.... kind of more handheld, grittier, and i- it was the return of the, the anti-hero and the rebel hero. And, 'cause Hollywood had lost touch with their audience. You know, they were making movies like Toby Tyler and, you know, these bloated musicals, which... But, and, uh, so it, it became like the inmates had taken over the asylum. There was really new, exciting stuff getting done, like, you know, Badlands and, uh, The Conversation, and you know, which led to The Godfather. And it's, uh, that was, I think, the golden age of filmmaking.

    7. JR

      Well, certainly some amazing films came out of that era.

    8. DQ

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And just, uh, just seeing Los Angeles today and imagining what it was like in the '70s, it had to be... Because, I mean, really movies, if you really think about it, they were only a few decades old back then.

    10. DQ

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      It was a new thing, essentially.

    12. DQ

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You know?

    14. DQ

      They had just, like, perfected it. I mean, (laughs) really, it was only like 10 years into where, uh, all the movies were color. They, they were making-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. DQ

      ... black and white movies up till like '63, you know?

    17. JR

      Right, like The Hustler was black and white.

    18. DQ

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      That was '63.

    20. DQ

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. DQ

      And, uh, it was an exciting time. Like I said, the inmates had taken over the asylum and i- it was a feeling like you could do just about anything. And music too was really happening in Los Angeles as well. I mean, record deals were getting signed left and right. And, uh, it, you know, there was this f- it, it's kind of turned upside down now because of all that rebellious attitude of the '70s and ev- everybody did it, sort of became the establishment, I think.

    23. JR

      Yeah, bizarre, right?

    24. DQ

      Same. It's, it's really kind of turned up on its ear, because the w- it started to kind of really turn politically correct in the '90s. And it, it became kind of a nobody stays at a party after 11 o'clock. (laughs)

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. DQ

      You know, no matter where-

    27. JR

      Is that when you went into rehab?

    28. DQ

      No matter... (laughs) Yeah.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. DQ

      After that, no matter where you're going-

  6. 8:3512:50

    Hollywood ideology, cancel culture, and how polarization hardened in the 1990s

    1. DQ

      I guess everybody had kids too at that, by that point. But then it just, it got to where, um, where we are today that, you know, you're getting warned to keep your mouth shut, because-

    2. JR

      Bizarre.

    3. DQ

      ... of... It, it turned upside down, you know?

    4. JR

      Well, it's also one ideology dominates, especially in Hollywood, dominates the entire business. You know, one of the things that I said that drove me crazy about Hollywood was there's people that had differing opinions about things, but they would never speak out because it could damage their career.

    5. DQ

      Right, that's what's going on now.

    6. JR

      And it really can. They, they will fucking blackball you.

    7. DQ

      They will. I mean, they've tried, uh, you know, there were a couple attempts to cancel me while we were making Reagan, in fact. You know, uh, kind of half-hearted, I guess. But, uh, it's, it, it has become that, you know? And that ain't right. I mean, back then, you know, few people really were, I guess, conservative. Let's throw out parties and just call it conservative. I mean, you had John Wayne.

    8. JR

      Jon Voight.

    9. DQ

      Uh, yeah, but e- you didn't know if Jon Voight was conservative back then, so he was...

    10. JR

      He wasn't vocal about it?

    11. DQ

      N- not back in the '70s, no. And, but it was basically John Wayne and Charlton Heston.

    12. JR

      Right.

    13. DQ

      And that, you know, that was pretty much about it. But, or anybody wearing a tie.

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. DQ

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      Well, how did the rebels become... Like, what the fuck happened? How did the rebels become the establishment?

    17. DQ

      That's, that is... Uh, we went through an era where there was, remember there was tolerance? That was what we were trying to do, like back in the teens, I think, in the 10s, where you'd tolerate other groups and all that. And that didn't last very long, and seems like one had it over the other. But if you ask me where this great divide really started, politically, I think, of course there was Watergate, but you come up to like when the Republicans had their, uh, Contract with America, I think it was like '94, im- you know, the year that Clinton was gonna be a, a lame duck president, they had that, uh, those midterms. And, um, then it started to become just along party lines, where there was no... You know, you were a traitor if you went to the other side, or-

    18. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    19. DQ

      'Cause we had conservative, um, conservative, uh, Democrats, we had liberal Republicans up until that point. You know, that's wh- what I grew up with. And, uh, that wasn't good enough anymore. And so it started there, and, you know, and then continued, and the, the, you know, then the Democrats really took over, and they really do it really well.

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. DQ

      A- a- as far as, as that stuff, of turning things on their head. And, um, uh, you know, they're... I- I feel like today they're, you know, they were using the judicial system, uh, against Trump.

    22. JR

      Yeah, for sure.

    23. DQ

      Which is, you know, really off the reservation.

    24. JR

      Well, they're using the judicial system even- against Trump. The entire media establishment, other than Fox News-

    25. DQ

      Right.

    26. JR

      ... is completely against anything Republican.

    27. DQ

      Right.

    28. JR

      And it's...... full, fill- Did you see on Colbert the other day, uh, Kristen Collins, that her name?

    29. DQ

      Yeah. Yeah, I saw that.

    30. JR

      The way I- she said-

  7. 12:5018:09

    Trump prosecutions, media narratives, and ‘banana republic’ warnings

    1. JR

      You know, like, I've heard people repeat- I've had conversations with people, they go, "Well, you know, Trump's a felon. He's, he's convicted of 34 felonies." I go, "Okay, do you know what those things are? Do you know, do you know that they are misdemeanors?"

    2. DQ

      Misdemeanors. "Did you know that the, you know, the statute of limitations had, had run out on this little misdemeanor?"

    3. JR

      Yeah, the whole thing is the same-

    4. DQ

      And it wasn't a campaign contribution. Their, they just did all kind of gymnastics to make it happen. And then, the third person in the, uh, in line in the Justice Department comes back to New York to oversee this case. And, uh, you know, just...

    5. JR

      It's just incredible.

    6. DQ

      It's dangerous.

    7. JR

      It's incredible. Yeah.

    8. DQ

      It's incredibly dangerous, because-

    9. JR

      Because it could also be turned around.

    10. DQ

      Yes.

    11. JR

      You know? And there has to come a point where we go, "Stop."

    12. DQ

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You know? We have to s- we have to stop this, or we're losing our country.

    14. DQ

      Yeah, I think they're more concerned with being in power than they are with preserving the idea of democracy.

    15. JR

      That's- Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think par- far- some of that was certainly they were emboldened by the fact they're essentially running the country without a president for the last three years.

    16. DQ

      Yes.

    17. JR

      'Cause he's, you know-

    18. DQ

      He's not-

    19. JR

      He's not there.

    20. DQ

      Not there, really.

    21. JR

      And since he's decided that he's not gonna run again, he's gone. He's vanished.

    22. DQ

      It makes me- Who's running it now?

    23. JR

      Exactly.

    24. DQ

      You know?

    25. JR

      And then, the crazy thing is-

    26. DQ

      And then, it's almost like that-

    27. JR

      ... Kamala Harris.

    28. DQ

      ... who's gonna, who's, who'll be running then because the, uh, really can't see her, like, being in charge.

    29. JR

      No. The, it's a figurehead. That's all it is. And what's really wild is the- TheBabylonBee had a hilarious, uh, little caption. They said, uh, "'When I get in office, I'm gonna change things,' says the woman who's in office right now."

    30. DQ

      (laughs)

  8. 18:0921:26

    Tech oligarchy and information control: Google, algorithms, and social media censorship

    1. JR

      Yeah. Well, they have so much money. The thing ab- have you ever seen the difference between Democrat donors versus Republican donors? Like, there was a chart that someone made about the amount of people that donate to the Democratic party versus the amount of people that vote- that d- donate to the Republican party. It's shocking. Big donors-

    2. DQ

      Big donors.

    3. JR

      Shocking.

    4. DQ

      It's... That's where it's completely turned upside down.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. DQ

      Because it used to be Republicans who were known as the fat cats and big oil and-

    7. JR

      Right.

    8. DQ

      ... you know, big business and all that would, uh, would be the big supporters and donors of the Republicans, and it was like those five and ten dollar donations were- of, uh, the Democratic party, because they're really a coalition of groups. But then, I think starting with Obama, es- especially, it started, it- with social media, it really started to, uh, get into more of a corporate type of tech oligarchy-

    9. JR

      Yes.

    10. DQ

      ... that is-

    11. JR

      Yeah, tech oligarchy.

    12. DQ

      ... kind of, going on.

    13. JR

      That's a great way to put it. That's really what it is, right?

    14. DQ

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      It's a tech oligarchy. The te- the tech thing's nuts 'cause nobody anticipated (clears throat) that these corporations were gonna have this insane amount of influence and power over people. You know, I've had this guy Robert Epstein on my podcast before. I don't know if you've ever seen his work, but he ba- basically does a statistical analysis of Google search results, and what Google does to change people's opinions and how much of an effect it can have on swaying an election. Because if you go look for Trump rally, you'll see a bunch of Kamala Harris things. If you go-

    16. DQ

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      ... to try to find something negative about Kamala, you'll find something... All these positive things about Kamala. So these quick searches, where... Which most people do. Most people aren't doing deep dives for hours-

    18. DQ

      Right.

    19. JR

      ... where they're going and, you know, reading and finding other alternative sources of information. They get their information from a Google search. And that Google search, if you can curate it and make sure that all the positive stuff about the people that you want is up front, and all the negative stuff about the people that you don't want is up front, you could shift people's opinions by 20%, 30%.

    20. DQ

      Of course you can.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. DQ

      You know? And it's... With the algorithms that they have, they already know your preferences and-

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DQ

      ... basically, you know, who you are to begin with.

    25. JR

      Yes.

    26. DQ

      And, uh, they can maneuver that way. It's not-

    27. JR

      And it should be illegal.

    28. DQ

      It's not just the Russians. (laughs)

    29. JR

      We should have search results... Which s- search results should be completely unbiased. Like, that should be, that should be a law, because if you can curate searches, if you can curate people's access to information and hide things, that should be illegal. Th- there should be nothing that has anything to do with political ideology when it comes to searching for information. It should just be whatever the information is.

    30. DQ

      I completely agree with you. As... Well, for one thing, as Ronald Reagan said, "Democracy can handle it."

  9. 21:2638:25

    ‘Reagan’ film censorship claims and the broader debate over speech and propaganda

    1. DQ

      But (clears throat) we're kind of... Excuse me. We're kind of going through, uh, with Reagan right now, the movie, we're going through a, um... We're being, uh... Censorship is happening to us, uh, through Facebook. They, uh... Facebook banned advertising and, uh, a lot of the podcasts. This one will probably be banned (laughs) on Facebook, uh, a- as well. It's over the last couple of months.

    2. JR

      Really?

    3. DQ

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Just because it's a po- Is it a positive film about Reagan? Is that what the idea is that's bothering them?

    5. DQ

      Well, it's, um... I see it as it's a, it's a bio- you know, it's a biopic is really what it is.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DQ

      It follows him from when he was a, a boy in Dixon all the way through when he said goodbye to the American people when he was diagnosed for Alzheimer's, you know, after he was president. And, um, it's a fight against communism, you know, which he fought all of his life. And... But they... The reason being was that the, the content in it was, uh, an attempt to sway an election. A, a movie. I mean, the last time I heard, you know, Reagan was on the ballot 40 years ago was, was the last time.

    8. JR

      Do you think if you made a positive Obama movie it would be to sway an election?

    9. DQ

      Well, there was an Obama movie that came out during an election year in 2020. And, you know, nothing about that. And to me, I mean, just the act of, of banning or censoring that material, as you were talking about, is an attempt to sway an election.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DQ

      And, uh, Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican, by the way.

    12. JR

      As was Trump.

    13. DQ

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DQ

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Yeah. Well, it's... He has said-

    17. DQ

      Since then, Facebook has said they've made a mistake.

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. DQ

      They said that yesterday because we, we, uh, put out a letter to a... In an article in Newsweek, and, uh, they said they'd made a mistake. It was, uh, their automatic systems had detected it.

    20. JR

      Oh.

    21. DQ

      But, but it... Those-

    22. JR

      How convenient.

    23. DQ

      Yeah. Uh, I don't know what those automatic systems are, but, uh, there was a mistake in that.

    24. JR

      Yeah, I don't understand it.

    25. DQ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Yeah, I, I...

    27. DQ

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      I don't know what's going on over there, if it's rogue employees. It's... The problem is, like, so many of those people are so ideologically captured.

    29. DQ

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      So many of the people that are working for any tech company.

  10. 38:2551:16

    Gender ideology, trans athletes, and the cultural ‘new religion’ argument

    1. DQ

      And, and the Me Too movement-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. DQ

      All of that just completely gone.

    4. JR

      Now it's-

    5. DQ

      Out the window and it, in favor of what? 0.0000 point whatever of the population?

    6. JR

      I know, it's nuts. And it's also, it's like now women's sports are in peril.

    7. DQ

      Yes.

    8. JR

      'Cause now you're having biological men with mental disease, mental disorders competing as women, saying that they're women, women winning weightlifting events, women winning cycling events.

    9. DQ

      The, that boxer, the-

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. DQ

      ... Italian boxer the other day-

    12. JR

      The boxing's a complicated one.

    13. DQ

      ... which gets down to be really dangerous. I have nothing against trans people.

    14. JR

      The box is not trans.

    15. DQ

      I was, I was in the drama department. You know, I was a drama mama, you know?

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. DQ

      Most of the drama department was gay at, at stuff, at, at... Grew up in that way. I used to, uh, used to play, play golf with Caitlin.

    18. JR

      Eh...

    19. DQ

      Back, you know, back-

    20. JR

      When it was Caitlin or Bruce?

    21. DQ

      When he, back when he was Bruce. It'd just be us 'cause Sherwood, it was very... There weren't many people around. Just, you know, I love the guy. Uh, and I... When he came out like that, I was really happy for him, to tell you the truth. Because to have to, like carry-

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. DQ

      ... that around-

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. DQ

      ... with what you feel inside, that's really important.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DQ

      You know? But that doesn't mean that the entire nation has to like, flip over and change to, to, to uh, accommodate-

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. DQ

      ... that. Yes, there could be, uh, a mall for you and... In fact, our system already accommodates everybody.

    30. JR

      Yes.

  11. 51:1655:42

    COVID, pharma distrust, and Quaid’s heparin tragedy with his newborn twins

    1. DQ

      Right. I know a little bit about that because my, from when my twins were overdosed when they were 12 days old with heparin at, in a, in a hospital. It had, uh, turned their blood the consistency of water. And, uh, they were off the measurable scale, in fact, for coag- coagulation of their blood for more than 48 hours, and it was scariest moment of our lives. But really about, what I learned about, uh, we did not sue the hospital. It was a, you know, a human error in that, but it, it was the drug company also which was kind of liable in that the, the 10 milligram unit, the 10-unit bottle that the kids were supposed to get was light blue and the, the adult was dark blue, and that was 10,000.

    2. JR

      (inhales deeply)

    3. DQ

      So, they got 10,000 three times.

    4. JR

      Oh my God.

    5. DQ

      Yeah. It was, it was horrific. But after that, you know, it was, it, uh, I, I testified before Congress, uh, in the Oversight Committee there, uh, uh, you know, about what had happened. And as far as the drug companies, it's impossible to sue drug companies, uh, just about. It's very difficult, hard to get them to, uh, to change anything. They're all located, for the most part, in Ill- Illinois, and they have that system wrapped up. But, uh, it's ... You know, everybody at the FDA ... I won't say everybody, but there are so many people at the FDA positions that are either, uh, former emplo- employees of drug companies or future-

    6. JR

      Future.

    7. DQ

      ... employees of drug companies.

    8. JR

      Future's more likely, right?

    9. DQ

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Because they know-

    11. DQ

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      ... that there's a golden basket waiting for them at the end of this journey.

    13. DQ

      Exactly. So, to get any kind of r- uh ... Uh, that's, that's wrong in itself, and, uh, to get anything real done, uh, is, is clouded, you know, by self-interest.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DQ

      So, um, what happened, you know, during COVID was, uh, that's, they still, uh ... Uh, these boys that are, you know, dropping dead-

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. DQ

      ... uh, you know, at 17 of heart attacks and, uh ... It's ... People don't trust their government anymore.

    18. JR

      Well, even-

    19. DQ

      And that's not the same it was back in the late '70s before that election. People didn't, since Watergate, hadn't trusted their government.

    20. JR

      What's bizarre to me-

    21. DQ

      But it's really bizarre now.

    22. JR

      ... is that even with the, all the evidence of these people dropping dead, the people that are around the people dropping dead are in denial about it.

    23. DQ

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Because they all advocated for a very specific thing. And when that very specific thing may be causing a bunch of deaths, they don't wanna take credit for it. They don't wanna be in trouble for it. They don't wanna be beholden to their, the, to this idea that they had the pharmaceutical drug companies were telling you the truth and that this is the only way out of this. And if you didn't do it, we're all gonna die, and everybody went into this with this terrible fear. And because they stated that early, now they're committed to it and they, they're defending it because it's a part of themselves. Their ideas are a part of themselves. And so, you're see- like the w- the, this ... If you've look at the just ... If you look at what insurance companies are dealing with now with excess deaths, that's some of the best data that we have, this excess mortality.

    25. DQ

      Right.

    26. JR

      And the excess mortality is extraordinary. At any other time in history, if there was a thing that was rolled out where all of a sudden everybody's taking it and all of a sudden you have this amazing increase in excess deaths, and cancers that are, uh, uh, what they're calling turbo cancer. And the, uh, if you listen to Peter McCullough, he explains how this could be causing that, that the mRNA vaccines could be causing these turbo cancers.

    27. DQ

      Yeah, because it actually changes our, our ...... molecular structure down to, you know, the chromosomes and the DNA that, that, that it's, it's, uh, it's a man-made thing, which is affecting our body in a bad way.

    28. JR

      Yeah. And it's killing people that took it, that were advocating for it, that were tech people. There's tech people that are dropping dead left and right. And they're still, they're still on this bandwagon. And they're still letting the CDC saying, "You should vaccinate anyone under 12." Like what the fuck are you talking about?

    29. DQ

      Right.

    30. JR

      What are you talking about? This is insane.

  12. 55:421:00:08

    Assassination attempt on Trump: unanswered questions, “memory holing,” and security failures

    1. DQ

      I had to when we were, we were, uh, when we were doing Reagan, we were shooting the movie. So, it's, uh, still at that point and it was required in order to work.

    2. JR

      Did you have any side effects?

    3. DQ

      Um, no. But, you know, I do know, and, and I, I actually got COVID when we were sh- uh-

    4. JR

      Of course.

    5. DQ

      ... shooting Reagan.

    6. JR

      It doesn't stop with one dose.

    7. DQ

      You know, during the assassination scene, actually. (laughs)

    8. JR

      Oh, really?

    9. DQ

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Oh, no way.

    11. DQ

      We were working in a basement and we had like 50 extras, you know, and it was just... Oh, of course, it did. Just about everybody got it. But I ad- I had it bad. I was lucky it hit my, it hit me in the guts instead of the lungs. And I had, I had 100 and, uh, four temperature for, uh, a couple of nights. But, uh, you know, I was over it in a couple of weeks. And then, you know, getting the vaccine, I did have kind of a reaction to that, like a little mini version. But I've noticed that when I, uh, get a cold now, it's harder to get over.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. DQ

      Everything is a little bit harder to get over now.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DQ

      And I don't think it's just me. Uh, you know, I have f- friends have, you know, we, we talk about it and the, the same thing is going on. Uh, just, uh, and, you know, it, coming from China and all that, you know, what could have happened is, could have been an exchange, a real exchange of how it had really happened, uh, and what, what the process was o- of how it happened, to make sure that it doesn't happen again, or to, during the research of the, the vaccine, to, to put that out, where, uh, you know, it could have helped there as well. There's no... D- it just winds up being, you know, everybody lines up on the side of ideology.

    16. JR

      Exactly.

    17. DQ

      I mean, I wonder, you know, if, if, uh, Trump does come into office, are they gonna say, "Oh, I won't take Trump's vac- vaccine again?"

    18. JR

      (laughs) Well, that's how it was.

    19. DQ

      That's how it was.

    20. JR

      Even Kamala Harris is saying that.

    21. DQ

      Yeah. She was saying, "I'm, uh, I'm not gonna take his vaccine when it comes out."

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. DQ

      Then as soon as they got, get into office, they, the very same vaccine, they said, "Yes, you should, we should take our vaccine."

    24. JR

      Yeah. It's nuts.

    25. DQ

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Yeah. Very bizarre. That, that's one of the things that's so interesting, because we have more access to information now than we've ever had in all of human history. And yet, people are more divided by ideology than they are by facts, than any other time in history.

    27. DQ

      Yeah. A lot of it has to do, I think, with, with cable news, too. People have, have, uh, you know, separated themselves. I, myself, I watch all of them, you know. On, on DirecTV there's Channel 200 where you got like six boxes on there. (laughs) And you can, you could watch all the news. And I flip back and forth, and it's like watching a different story.

    28. JR

      Right. Yeah.

    29. DQ

      A completely different story-

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  13. 1:00:081:32:33

    JFK, intelligence agencies, and the ‘government within government’ thesis

    1. DQ

      About who is dangerous and they're gonna have to get, you know, another Republican in there just, you know... But, uh, yeah. I've been reading this, uh, Unspoken. I've forgotten the author's name. Uh, but it was, uh, endorsed by, uh, RFK Jr., uh, you know, about the assassination of, of, um, his uncle, you know, the president, John Kennedy. And it takes every piece of information that is known and puts it in a book and tells a story from it. And it, it was our government, I think, that, uh, came to, th- that killed, that killed Kennedy. And, you know, through the CIA come, you know, the dark forces within, within our government. And if that can happen, then how about today? How much...

    2. JR

      Of course.

    3. DQ

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Sure.

    5. DQ

      Who's running things?

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. DQ

      If you, you, the only thing you can draw is, um-... conclusion you can draw is it's- it's- it's gotta be something like that. Only I can't- I can't understand why the CIA would, uh, want us out of Afghanistan (laughs) that way, or- or, you know, uh, w- why, uh, all the other stuff is going on. But I guess, again, that's for control.

    8. JR

      Yeah. It's for control, but it's also so multilayered and so hard to figure out what's going on. I mean, we know that they had MKUltra in the 1960s, and they did mind- mind control experiments on people.

    9. DQ

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      And the idea that they just stopped that is silly.

    11. DQ

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      That's silly.

    13. DQ

      They went further. Th- that's- that's how we got all those other drugs that-

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DQ

      ... turned up at parties, right? (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs) Well, it's part of it. There's a- a- a- what was that g- this guy, Norman Ohler? He wrote, um, about, uh, drugs during the Third Reich and about how they experimented with, uh, LSD on concentration camp prisoners.

    17. DQ

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      And- And all the stuff that they were giving Hitler, like while he was in the middle- and all the stuff they were giving the Nazis. They were giving the Nazis meth.

    19. DQ

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      They were all on meth.

    21. DQ

      It was crystal meth, in fact-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. DQ

      ... uh, that, uh, that's what they were so fanatical in going out there-

    24. JR

      Uh-huh.

    25. DQ

      ... and staying up for days.

    26. JR

      Yep.

    27. DQ

      I mean, that- that was essential to the blitzkrieg.

    28. JR

      Yes.

    29. DQ

      I mean, you can't stop and take a nap over that.

    30. JR

      Yeah, three days on meth.

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