Joe Rogan Experience #2192 - Raanan Hershberg

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Um, what's up? What's going on, man?

Raanan Hershberg 0:13 Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Thanks for coming in. My pleasure. What's going on?

Raanan Hershberg 0:16 Hell yeah. It's an honor. Uh, good to, good... Yeah, good to be here. Um, the cold showers, what we were talking about before.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 0:23 Tho- those are the hardest.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Oh, well New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal.

Raanan Hershberg 0:28 Because it doesn't get your whole body, so you actually have to constantly move around-

Joe Rogan 0:31 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 0:31 ... and re-freeze your ass off. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 0:34 Well, it's just, it's hard to breathe too. You're like, "Ah, ah, ah."

Raanan Hershberg 0:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:37 "Ah, ah, ah."

Raanan Hershberg 0:38 I used to do them for a while, though.

Joe Rogan 0:40 When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there's this dude I used to work out with named Bob Cafarella, and he was like a real psycho. And Bob used to always take sho- cold showers. He said it was good for the spirit.

Raanan Hershberg 0:49 It is.

Joe Rogan 0:50 And we would all be sitting around going, "What the fuck is wrong with him?"

Raanan Hershberg 0:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:53 This guy's in the, the shower. It was January in Boston and this guy's in the shower just fucking freezing. Ah.

Raanan Hershberg 0:59 But I, I feel like when you do it, it's like you feel afterwards this awakeness-

Joe Rogan 1:03 Oh, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 1:03 ... that you only get with drugs. Like that, like fucking, like, "Oh, I'm..." Like, you never realize how not present you are until you take a cold plunge.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 1:10 And then you're like, "Oh, now I'm fucking in the world." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13 Right, because your body's trying to protect you from dying. You know?

Raanan Hershberg 1:16 Yeah, which is a real rush. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:18 (laughs) It's, it... Well, it really is, though. It's norepinephrine, that's the big one.

Raanan Hershberg 1:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Dopamine kicks up, everything ki-... And it lasts for hours. That's what I tell people, even though they don't want to do it. I'm like, "I know it sucks." I don't think it's good. I don't, I don't get in and go, "This is amazing. I'm the best."

Raanan Hershberg 1:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:33 I get in, I go, "Oh, Jesus... Fucking Jesus Christ, just keep it together." And I just try to stay calm. But I know when I get out, I'm gonna feel great for hours.

Raanan Hershberg 1:40 Exactly, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Hours and hours.

Raanan Hershberg 1:42 Except for the time I did it on your instruction and fucked up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:46 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 1:46 But, uh... It was like Jackass doing it at home and, like, getting... Losing...

Narrator 1:49 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 1:49 Getting a nut ripped off. I did the... I saw you do it, it looked great. Put the ice in the bath and I was just f- cold for, like, two days straight. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time.

Raanan Hershberg 2:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:01 You went a little crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 2:02 I went a little crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Yeah, but kudos to you for doing it. It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes.

Raanan Hershberg 2:07 Well, I don't like-

Joe Rogan 2:07 It's crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 2:08 I used to do a lot of drugs. I don't really do drugs anymore. I mean, I'll do edibles, um, and occasionally kratom. So I guess I do some drugs.

Narrator 2:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:15 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 2:15 People-

Joe Rogan 2:16 And I'll do cocaine and heroin.

Raanan Hershberg 2:17 And kratu- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:17 But I'm pretty clean other than that.

Raanan Hershberg 2:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:20 I mean, I eat processed foods and a lot of dessert, but fuck it.

Raanan Hershberg 2:24 Fuck it, yeah. I mean, crystal meth, but that's it.

Joe Rogan 2:26 And I drink whiskey, no rocks.

Raanan Hershberg 2:28 (laughs) But I, I don't do, like, the big drugs. So the cold plunge is really the closest to get to that high.

Joe Rogan 2:33 Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill.

Raanan Hershberg 2:36 I know.

Joe Rogan 2:36 People would be taking it all day long.

Raanan Hershberg 2:37 I know. But part of it is probably going through the pain, right?

Joe Rogan 2:40 Yeah. It's just better for your br-... 'Cause there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this. I forget what it, it's actually called. But there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself into do difficult things. Like, say if you're a person who likes to run and you force yourself, "I'm gonna run five miles every morning for 60 days."

Raanan Hershberg 3:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Like, if you can actually do that-

Raanan Hershberg 3:03 So an asshole.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 3:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:05 (laughs) This is my Fred Kam.

Raanan Hershberg 3:06 I'm trying to imagine myself running.

Joe Rogan 3:07 I have a buddy of mine that was doing a marathon every day.

Raanan Hershberg 3:11 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah. He, he's a psycho. He does these ultra marathons.

Raanan Hershberg 3:14 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Where they run for three days. He does, uh-

Raanan Hershberg 3:17 It's like Forrest Gump, but he... No, Forrest Gump was...

Narrator 3:19 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 3:20 But For-... No, Forrest Gump was running.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Yeah, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 3:22 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 3:22 He ran across America. But they do these things through the mountains, like they do the Moab... I think it's the Moab two f-... 200 or 240. So it's 240 miles through mountains.

Raanan Hershberg 3:32 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 3:33 It's not just, like, straight 240 miles. Like, you're going over mountains and hills and shit.

Raanan Hershberg 3:37 Which is insane. I can run for about seven minutes and I'm probably lying about that.

Narrator 3:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:44 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 3:44 I'm definitely lying. I can run for about four minutes before I have to, like, stop.

Joe Rogan 3:48 I don't... I used to not run at all, and then I, I entered into a 5K, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do.

Raanan Hershberg 3:54 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 3:55 I thought I was in reasonably good shape.

Raanan Hershberg 3:57 Yeah, it's crazy how much more in shape other people are. (laughs)

Narrator 4:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:00 Well, especially running shape.

Raanan Hershberg 4:02 Like the runners-

Joe Rogan 4:03 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 4:03 ... the people who can do the sprints, the... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 4:05 Oh, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 4:05 They can do something f- for, like, a really long time that I can do for maybe, like, two seconds.

Joe Rogan 4:12 I think they're drug addicts too, though.

Raanan Hershberg 4:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Natural drugs.

Raanan Hershberg 4:15 The, the... What do you call it?

Joe Rogan 4:16 The natural runner's high. Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 4:18 Ephedrine... Not ephedrine. Euphoria. What is it called?

Joe Rogan 4:20 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 4:20 Whatever that thing is.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Runner's euphoria.

Raanan Hershberg 4:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:22 Yeah. I don't know what the... What are the actual chemicals that get released during a runner's high?

Raanan Hershberg 4:27 Uh...

Joe Rogan 4:27 We'll, we'll find that out.

Raanan Hershberg 4:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:29 It's gotta be dopamine. But there's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high.

Raanan Hershberg 4:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:35 Not, not high in a bad way, but high in, like, a very chilled... Endorphins.

Raanan Hershberg 4:39 Endorphins, that's what I'm looking for.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Yeah. Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high. So you just... It says, "Is short lasting." I don't think it's that short lasting.

Raanan Hershberg 4:49 But you have to do it for a while. You have to run for, like, I think 45 minutes.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Oh, here it goes. It says, "For up to a few hours." That makes sense. So the bliss, it can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.

Raanan Hershberg 5:00 But it has side effects. Yeah, no, I mean, that's... When you don't do drugs, like, that's the only way.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Yeah.

Narrator 5:05 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 5:05 My dad plays tennis every day for, like, five hours.

Joe Rogan 5:08 That's a good thing.

Narrator 5:08 That's his...

Raanan Hershberg 5:09 Yeah, yeah, he loves it.

Joe Rogan 5:09 That's a great thing.

Raanan Hershberg 5:10 He's obsessed. He watch e-... All he does is play tennis or watch tennis. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:14 Really? That's all he cares about.

Raanan Hershberg 5:15 Just a tennis freak. He's a tennis freak.

Joe Rogan 5:16 And he's retired, so he just-

Raanan Hershberg 5:17 Retired.

Joe Rogan 5:17 ... plays tennis all day?

Raanan Hershberg 5:19 Just plays tennis. He has one of those rackets where you... He's a real nerd about it, where you plug it into the computer and look at the data. (laughs)

Narrator 5:25 Whoa.

Raanan Hershberg 5:26 And then he's either playing tennis or doing that or just watching tennis on TV.

Narrator 5:31 Wow.

Raanan Hershberg 5:31 That's all he cares about.

Joe Rogan 5:33 ... see, that's one if you get into, you, you're relying on your vehicle, unfortunately.

Raanan Hershberg 5:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:38 You know? Like, if you were getting into chess, you could pretty much always move those fucking things around.

Raanan Hershberg 5:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:43 You know? If you really get obsessed with chess.

Raanan Hershberg 5:44 Chess is my favorite sport. But it-

Joe Rogan 5:46 Really?

Raanan Hershberg 5:46 I'm only out of breath after the first 45. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:50 (laughs) Do you play chess?

Raanan Hershberg 5:51 I used to play chess. I used to be in the chess club.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Oh, no kidding.

Raanan Hershberg 5:53 I don't play anymore as well, but I, I love chess. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:56 I'm scared of chess.

Raanan Hershberg 5:57 Really?

Joe Rogan 5:57 Yeah, I'm scared I'd get addicted to it. Like, it's the same reason why I won't-

Raanan Hershberg 6:00 Well, it's okay. It's not crack. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:01 Right, but I don't have any time.

Raanan Hershberg 6:02 Ah, okay.

Joe Rogan 6:02 It's like, that's why I won't play golf. Same thing.

Raanan Hershberg 6:05 Golf. I've never played golf.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Like, I'm sure the golfers, like Jame- Jamie's a big golfer, they'll tell you how awesome it is. I'm like, "I believe you." I don't-

Raanan Hershberg 6:10 Yeah, you're just gonna try it.

Joe Rogan 6:11 I'm not gonna try it. I'm not, I'm, uh, I'm not gonna let it get its fucking fangs into me.

Raanan Hershberg 6:14 That's how I feel about video games.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Oh, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 6:16 A lot of my college friends play video games and I'm like, "I think that's the worst drug."

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 6:19 'Cause then you're just doing ... You're just wasting your life. There's no intervention. And you got-

Joe Rogan 6:23 Also, it doesn't have to be sunny out. You could fucking-

Raanan Hershberg 6:26 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 6:26 ... y- three in the morning, like, I don't wanna go to bed.

Raanan Hershberg 6:29 I got, I was at my brother's place. I played a video game once, and I hadn't played it since, like, Goldeneye, so I didn't see any of the improvements.

Joe Rogan 6:35 Oh, wow.

Raanan Hershberg 6:35 So I started playing. It was like, they're like movies now. It's, like, crazy.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 6:38 And I got so hooked. There was a moment where I just, like, saw myself being addicted and just, like, snapped out of it. It was, like, four hours straight. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:45 I had to quit cold turkey. I used to play Quake online.

Raanan Hershberg 6:48 It gets ... It, it, like, numbs you out. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 6:50 It's just too easy to get a game.

Raanan Hershberg 6:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Because you could always ... At any moment in time, I could either be bored, I could be having a conversation that's boring-

Raanan Hershberg 6:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:59 ... or I could be doing something boring-

Raanan Hershberg 7:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:01 ... or I can just log in and have a death match, one-on-one-

Raanan Hershberg 7:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:05 ... with some dude from fucking Denmark.

Raanan Hershberg 7:07 I know.

Joe Rogan 7:07 You know? Like, it's crazy. Like, I, I r- remember typing, like, "Where do you live?"

Raanan Hershberg 7:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:11 And then, and then people are like, "I'm in Estonia." Like, "Whoa, that's crazy." Like, you play pe-

Raanan Hershberg 7:15 While you're killing them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:16 Well, you play ... You kill each other and you make little pauses and you ask-

Raanan Hershberg 7:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:20 It's fun. It's-

Raanan Hershberg 7:20 It's crazy. Yeah, it's fun. I just, yeah. I, I'm afraid to, like, waste all that time.

Joe Rogan 7:24 100%.

Raanan Hershberg 7:25 I'm like an a- a workaholic a bit. Um, which obviously you are.

Joe Rogan 7:29 Yeah, but that's ... I think that's okay. As long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy, I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something.

Raanan Hershberg 7:36 Yeah. No, I'm not a workaholic when I ... When I worked at Red Lobster, I was not a workaholic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:42 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 7:42 When I worked at Frisch's Big Boy, I was not-

Joe Rogan 7:44 Exactly. How's that li-

Raanan Hershberg 7:45 I was not like, "Let's get this right." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD.

Raanan Hershberg 7:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:52 I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck.

Raanan Hershberg 7:56 Of course. Why-

Joe Rogan 7:57 They're bouncing off the walls. They're 13 years old. They have so much fucking energy.

Raanan Hershberg 7:59 Why is it never the teacher's fault?

Joe Rogan 8:01 Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 8:01 It's like, why, why did the teacher say something interesting? It's insane. It's like, to be like, "Oh, no, no, they're just ... (laughs) It's like when the audience doesn't laugh and you're like, "No, no, no. I'm ... It's not that I'm not funny." It's that you have laughing deficit disorder. It's like-

Joe Rogan 8:12 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 8:13 ... it's throwing the ball onto something else. Be interesting.

Joe Rogan 8:16 There was an article in one of the science journals recently about ... Uh, one of the science magazines recently, about ADHD. And then they were saying that it is ... It was actually, uh, an advantage to think that way for hunter-gatherers.

Raanan Hershberg 8:30 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 8:31 And that that's ... This is leftover from where they, they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay atten- And they could focus on one thing, like, very intensely.

Raanan Hershberg 8:38 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 8:39 But they're scanning for a bunch of other stuff.

Raanan Hershberg 8:40 But you notice.

Joe Rogan 8:41 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 8:41 You, you're like, "Ooh, what's that?" And then it's, like, a raspberry and you're like-

Joe Rogan 8:43 Also, they're always in activity and motion. ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses.

Raanan Hershberg 8:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:49 Oh, interesting. This isn't-

Raanan Hershberg 8:50 You're too focused, you get-

Joe Rogan 8:51 This is interesting.

Raanan Hershberg 8:52 ... you get killed.

Joe Rogan 8:53 This is not the one that I read, 'cause this is from February. The one I read was just a couple of days ago. But symptoms of attention-deficit hyper- hyperactivity disorder, such as impulsivity, may have helped foragers and hunter-gatherer communities quickly move on to new areas when food s- sources were low. Oh.

Raanan Hershberg 9:08 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 9:09 So if you're too focused, you, you don't, you don't know when to quit.

Joe Rogan 9:13 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 9:13 And then you get fucking killed or you run out of resources.

Joe Rogan 9:16 That makes sense. Like, you got ... It's like an instinct. Let's get the fuck out of here.

Raanan Hershberg 9:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Right?

Raanan Hershberg 9:20 And now ... Yeah. Well, you know, I got really addicted to, uh, Adderall, like everyone.

Joe Rogan 9:24 (laughs) Oh, wow. I'm scared of that, too. I've never tried it.

Raanan Hershberg 9:27 I used to, when I was in ... After college, I started taking it, like, recreationally. And then j- I went to a, a psychiatrist and told her I had a problem. And she was like, "Well, we can prescribe it for you."

Joe Rogan 9:38 Oh, Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 9:40 Then it'll no longer be a problem.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Oh, my God.

Raanan Hershberg 9:42 I was like, "Okay." I was thinking more, like, rehab, but sure.

Joe Rogan 9:44 What kind of fucking psychiatrist are you going- (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 9:46 She's probably on Adderall right now. She's like, "Want to try it?"

Joe Rogan 9:48 I know. I'm amazing. Why don't you join me? (laughs) It's insane. And I-

Raanan Hershberg 9:51 Let's clean my house.

Joe Rogan 9:52 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 9:52 (laughs) I did it for, like ... I got super ... I was doing 90 milligrams a day. I was like-

Joe Rogan 9:57 Is that a lot, Jamie? It's a lot. That's a lot?

Raanan Hershberg 9:59 Yeah. You're like-

Joe Rogan 9:59 What is a normal dose?

Raanan Hershberg 10:01 F- 10?

Narrator 10:02 Yeah, when I did 20, I was fucking up for s- 48 hours or something like that. And then I'd need to take it.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Whoa.

Raanan Hershberg 10:06 It's crystal meth for nerds, but it's crystal meth. I mean, it's fucking ... It's like-

Joe Rogan 10:10 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 10:11 It's intense. I was so cocky. I, I wrote poetry. That's how high I was. I thought I could write poetry.

Joe Rogan 10:15 This, this gentleman, Norman Ohler, was on my podcast, uh, two weeks ago.

Raanan Hershberg 10:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:19 And he wrote all about the meth-

Raanan Hershberg 10:21 I saw you posted about that.

Joe Rogan 10:22 ... and the, the Third Reich. Dude, it's crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 10:25 And speed, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 The whole thing was meth. They were all meth-ed up. They were meth-ed up when they fucking did the blitzkrieg.

Raanan Hershberg 10:30 I do a bit about that now, about Hitler being on speed. I, I'm obsessed with Hitler. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 10:34 Oh, man.

Raanan Hershberg 10:35 I have, like ... One of my bookshelves is just all Holocaust and Hitler books.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Really?

Raanan Hershberg 10:38 Yeah. But I, I'm, I'm dying to read that. I know, uh, Goring was on everything. He was on-

Joe Rogan 10:43 They were all on everything.

Raanan Hershberg 10:44 Goring was on, like, huge painkillers the whole time. He was like-

Joe Rogan 10:48 So was Hitler.

Raanan Hershberg 10:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Hitler was on ... One of the things, the misconceptions that are, he was on meth. It appears a lot of what he was on was oxys. He was on oxycodone.

Raanan Hershberg 10:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yeah, they had the original oxycodone.

Raanan Hershberg 10:58 So th- they were just, like, high. It's like when you get high and you ru- ru- run over someone.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 11:02 And they're just like ... They, they were like, "What the fuck did I do when I was high?" Like, I'm su-

Joe Rogan 11:05 They don't even care.

Raanan Hershberg 11:05 "I killed all the Jews." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:07 Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why and she has no wheel on her car?

Raanan Hershberg 11:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:14 Her car is, like, spitting flames. Have you ever seen it?

Raanan Hershberg 11:17 No, I've not seen it.

Joe Rogan 11:17 And they pull over and she's like, "What's the problem?"

Raanan Hershberg 11:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:20 And the, the, the cop's like, "Ma'am, are you on pills?"

Raanan Hershberg 11:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:22 Like, what the fuck is going on? How do you not know you lost a wheel on the highway?

Raanan Hershberg 11:26 You know what? I, I-

Joe Rogan 11:27 You gotta see it. It's bonkers.

Raanan Hershberg 11:29 No, that's insane. I, yeah, it is ... Like, the Nazis were just all on drugs, which-

Joe Rogan 11:33 Yep.

Raanan Hershberg 11:33 ... is, is just, like, a crazy ... I mean, the whole Third Reich is surreal, that, that created this, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah. Look at this. So here's this lady. She's just driving, like nothing's wrong, waving, "Hi."

Narrator 11:43 ... back of another car near Quail Hill Shopping Center. She says her car just gave out. Police say the woman was not impaired.

Joe Rogan 11:50 (laughs)

Narrator 11:50 And they didn't arrest her. The police don't-

Joe Rogan 11:51 What the fuck are you talking about? If that lady's on pills ...

Raanan Hershberg 11:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:55 (claps) If she's not impaired, she shouldn't be ever driving.

Raanan Hershberg 11:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:58 If you don't notice you lost a wheel-

Raanan Hershberg 12:00 Right. That's a, that's a big red flag.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Did they ... Was that the same one? That might not have even been the same one.

Narrator 12:05 There's a longer video of what was happening. Look on the screen, longer video.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Right. Okay. This is it. Like, there's no way you don't know that.

Raanan Hershberg 12:13 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Narrator 12:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:13 There's no way you don't know.

Raanan Hershberg 12:14 And the trunk's open. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:15 Also, (laughs) the back, the fucking back is completely open.

Raanan Hershberg 12:19 But I tell you, that's not even the big problem at this point.

Joe Rogan 12:21 I can't imagine that she's not medicated. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Raanan Hershberg 12:25 It'd be-

Joe Rogan 12:25 Like something's going on.

Raanan Hershberg 12:26 If she isn't medicated, she's psy- she's a psycho. You know?

Joe Rogan 12:28 Right. Something's wrong. If she's not medicated, like she's got a blown fuse.

Raanan Hershberg 12:33 (laughs) Um-

Joe Rogan 12:33 But also, that's how cars get f-... They catch fire like that.

Raanan Hershberg 12:37 Right. Like, no, that's insane. Yeah. No, I, uh, yeah-

Joe Rogan 12:41 What is this guy saying? (laughs)

Narrator 12:42 ... her erratic behavior.

Raanan Hershberg 12:44 Are you having a hard day? I'm having very hard day to drive because you can kill people. You can kill people.

Narrator 12:47 Yes, I just ... I just got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Ah.

Raanan Hershberg 12:50 Oh, Jesus.

Narrator 12:51 I'm sorry. Police told us-

Joe Rogan 12:52 Well, there we go. Now we're assholes.

Raanan Hershberg 12:54 Well, unless she's making it up.

Joe Rogan 12:56 That could be it. She might be making it up.

Raanan Hershberg 12:57 That's the old sch-

Joe Rogan 12:58 But then, she might be telling the truth, which makes sense, where you're like, your whole world is like, "What is life? I'm gonna die-"

Raanan Hershberg 13:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:04 "... real soon. And they can't fix this." And you're just, the car is fucked up.

Raanan Hershberg 13:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:08 And you don't even care. That could be-

Raanan Hershberg 13:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:10 ... if the patch is open, you don't even care.

Raanan Hershberg 13:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Like your world is over.

Raanan Hershberg 13:13 Or you're like, "Oh shit, I fucked up. Let me say something to get out of it right now." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:17 You're a cynic. I am an optimist. I look for the good in people.

Raanan Hershberg 13:21 I did a show once when I was like younger, and I ... You know, you already start, you have like very ... I mean, I guess I still have dark jokes. But I'm having some joke about SIDS, you know, the sudden infant death.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Oh.

Raanan Hershberg 13:31 And I was doing it. It was like some pizza shop in my hometown, and the audience, and one person in the audience looked really upset. And I go, "What? You don't like the joke?" And they're like, "Our kid died of SIDS."

Joe Rogan 13:40 Oh.

Raanan Hershberg 13:40 And I immediately like went into like, you know, like when you're starting out, I just wanna do the oldest, safest material. I'm like, "So I'm broke. Anyone else overdraft here?"

Joe Rogan 13:48 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 13:48 I just go right into it.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Oh. Panic.

Raanan Hershberg 13:50 And then at the end, I went up to him and her and I apologized, and he was like, "Oh, we were just joking."

Joe Rogan 13:54 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 13:56 (screams) I was like, "That's the worst heckle ever." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:57 Oh, that's so mean.

Raanan Hershberg 13:59 But I stopped doing that kind of joke afterwards, because it was like, it's fine to do those kind of jokes, but you have to be prepared-

Joe Rogan 14:05 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 14:05 ... for ... I was not prepared. Like, I don't want to upset people like that, so I just stopped doing-

Joe Rogan 14:09 Especially someone who lost their kid.

Raanan Hershberg 14:10 Right. So I was like, "I can't do those jokes."

Joe Rogan 14:13 Y- you, those, like, I'm not against someone doing those. Like, that's like Anthony Jeselnik-

Raanan Hershberg 14:16 No, no, no. Of course.

Joe Rogan 14:17 He has a shit ton of jokes like that.

Raanan Hershberg 14:18 Of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:19 They're, they're great. People enjoy it. It's not bad. It's not bad comedy. It's like, but at least with a guy like Jeselnik, you should know what you're getting into.

Raanan Hershberg 14:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:29 And don't try to pretend there's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it.

Raanan Hershberg 14:34 Right. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 14:35 Like it's a taste thing.

Raanan Hershberg 14:36 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 14:36 And it's a t-... Like, it's like ...

Raanan Hershberg 14:38 But when you start out, no one knows who the ... You know, no one knew who I was at their-

Joe Rogan 14:42 Of course.

Raanan Hershberg 14:42 ... pizza shop in Bloomington, Indiana. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:44 That's why it's so dangerous.

Raanan Hershberg 14:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:45 That's why ... But, but the only way they're gonna find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.

Raanan Hershberg 14:52 You gotta, you gotta do it and you gotta get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 14:54 I mean, thank God I started before people filmed stuff. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:59 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 15:00 I said the worst-

Joe Rogan 15:01 How many years are you in now?

Raanan Hershberg 15:02 17.

Joe Rogan 15:03 Okay, g- ... That's great.

Raanan Hershberg 15:04 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:04 That's great. Yeah. You-

Raanan Hershberg 15:05 I've said horrible shit, but it's not on film, so-

Joe Rogan 15:07 But you also, you got in p-... I think ... The filming thing is fucking strange, right? Because some people want to get filmed, 'cause you can get some clips-

Raanan Hershberg 15:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:16 ... like interacting with the audience.

Raanan Hershberg 15:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:19 But it's like, you, you have to have an opportunity to work out stuff.

Raanan Hershberg 15:23 Of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you, you have a new bit, and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it there.

Raanan Hershberg 15:31 Of course. Yeah. And you have to like ... That's why when they looped the Louis thing-

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 15:34 ... it was ... Any comic who had like criticized him should lose their comedian badge right away.

Joe Rogan 15:38 They have to me.

Raanan Hershberg 15:39 Because like-

Joe Rogan 15:40 Yeah. They-

Raanan Hershberg 15:40 You, if you release something when they weren't planning for it, it doesn't matter what they said in it, you're at fault for releasing something, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:46 Well, it's y- ... Obviously it was an audience member that released it, but the comics that criticized him, I'm like, "Hey, man, fuck you." Like y- you pretended ... First of all, the guy didn't do comedy for 10 months.

Raanan Hershberg 15:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 And then second, the stuff that he was saying, if you know him and you know his act, and I guarantee you fucking do, 'cause a lot of those people are just haters.

Raanan Hershberg 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:04 If you know him, you know given enough time, he would make that horrible premise really fucking funny.

Raanan Hershberg 16:10 Yes. And frankly, it was pretty funny then. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:11 Pretty funny then. Pretty funny.

Raanan Hershberg 16:12 Like ...

Joe Rogan 16:13 I mean, it was horrible what he's saying, like push the fat kid in front of you, but-

Raanan Hershberg 16:15 But that's funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:16 ... but you don't think there would be layers upon layers that would make that joke brilliant-

Raanan Hershberg 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:21 ... in a year if you just let him do it?

Raanan Hershberg 16:23 And you learn the cushions, like he didn't have the cush-

Joe Rogan 16:25 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 16:25 You learn ... Louis, people like Louis, the great comics are great at learning how to make a hard joke work.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 16:31 And he hadn't maybe developed the cushions yet on stage, but they would've come.

Joe Rogan 16:34 He hadn't done any comedy at all in 10 months.

Raanan Hershberg 16:37 Yeah. No.

Joe Rogan 16:37 So this is like literally the first set he did.

Raanan Hershberg 16:39 I think anyone who criticized him about that was the kind of comedian who doesn't take risks.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 16:44 'Cause if you take any risks, you wouldn't want stuff to be released.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Right. Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 16:48 You know?

Joe Rogan 16:48 And if you understand how jokes are developed, like-

Raanan Hershberg 16:51 Yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 16:51 There's too many people that like got into it from something else and they did standup in the beginning, and then they got into it again, they consider themselves stand-ups. And then they'll come out and criticize something like this. And you go, "Just shut the fuck up, man. You're not even doing it right."

Raanan Hershberg 17:04 Yeah. You're not the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 You're not even doing it right. Like you, you saying that he's ... that this is bad, like come on, man. We ... This is how everybody creates material.

Raanan Hershberg 17:13 You have to ... Yeah. Once he puts it on a special, then you can judge it.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 17:17 ... once he decides.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 17:18 But until then, yeah, work on it. You know, imagine if my Sids joke was filmed.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 17:22 I'd probably, probably be getting some notoriety back then. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:25 Well, now on Twitter, you've become a, a hero.

Raanan Hershberg 17:27 Yeah. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 17:28 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 17:29 ... no one knows about it, except for me bringing it up right now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:33 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 17:33 Except for all your listeners. But-

Joe Rogan 17:34 It's like, you've got to have a place where you can fuck around, and that's the problem with, like, filming all the time, because there's, there's things that, like, you'll start a, a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it, and it's like it's so different than when it finishes.

Raanan Hershberg 17:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:48 You gotta be able to find that.

Raanan Hershberg 17:49 And not have people see it. Yeah, not have people see it, because it's, you know, comedy is like, you want people to see the finished product, but it's embarrassing until then. You're sweating-

Joe Rogan 17:57 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 17:57 ... you're working shit out, you're stumbling-

Joe Rogan 18:00 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 18:00 ... you're bombing. You, like, you don't want people to see that part.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Well, it's fun to watch as an audience member though. One of my favorite things is watching a bit develop.

Raanan Hershberg 18:08 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 18:08 You know, watching someone, like, come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room where we're all brainstorming and trying to figure out, "What is, what, what part is, where, where does it get, get clunky?"

Raanan Hershberg 18:18 It's interesting. To me, it's all a mystery, like, how it develops. Like, I mean, I think about it. I listen to tapes. But when you just keep doing it, it just naturally edits itself.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 18:27 It's an interesting mystery where it naturally forms, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:30 Right, right. Yeah, as, as long as you're not rigid.

Raanan Hershberg 18:33 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Cause-

Raanan Hershberg 18:34 And, and listen to it all, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Yeah, 'cause some people are rigid, and this is a problem that, like, open mic-ers have and beginning comics, is they started doing a bit a very certain way, so they're kind of comfortable saying it that way, and they're uncomfortable on stage already.

Raanan Hershberg 18:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:48 So they keep saying it the same way.

Raanan Hershberg 18:51 That's, that's the death of comedy.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 18:52 That's the, uh, one of the things Louis taught me, um, or not taught me, but something I understood but he really articulated is, like, the enemy of comedy is roteness, figuring out that you, once you think you can say it a certain way where it gets a laugh, it's dead. Like, if you're relying on to just say it that way to get a laugh.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Right, right, right.

Raanan Hershberg 19:07 And he'd show, he, like, he made it clear, like, you really... And he shows it, you really gotta think about the emotion behind it, which you forget immediately-

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 19:14 ... or, like, after a while. But, like, I, I, I fall into this trap all the time where I figure out a way to say a joke and it gets a laugh.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 19:21 And I think, I think the minute you're 100% sure it's gonna work, that's when it starts dying.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Right. I know what you're saying.

Raanan Hershberg 19:28 You know?

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah, like, it has to... I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment. You can't be just reading a script.

Raanan Hershberg 19:35 You have to fi- Yeah, instead of... Yeah, to me it's like, instead of thinking of, like, "Oh, I'm saying something now that will get a laugh," just try to think of the anger or the sadness or whatever.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 19:44 You know?

Joe Rogan 19:45 Like, why, what is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject?

Raanan Hershberg 19:49 That's why Bill Burr is so great, 'cause it's like, he's not, he doesn't look like he's trying to get people to laugh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:54 Right, right, right, right.

Raanan Hershberg 19:55 He just looks really angry. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:56 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 19:56 And that's funny.

Joe Rogan 19:56 And he is. He is. You know-

Raanan Hershberg 19:58 It's like-

Joe Rogan 19:58 ... if you talk to Bill in the green room-

Raanan Hershberg 19:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:59 ... that's the same guy. "Yeah, fucking, if I fucking told them." (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:03 And that's what... Yeah, and that's what's hilarious, just kinda, like, the fact he's so great at keeping that anger... I don't know if it's an act. I mean, keeping that anger alive through all these shows.

Joe Rogan 20:13 It's not an act. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:13 It's not an act. (laughs) He's like-

Joe Rogan 20:15 He's just psychotic. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:15 You could call him right now, bring up something that annoys... "Listen here, you fuck..."

Joe Rogan 20:19 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:19 You know what my favorite is? When he's on a, a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously.

Joe Rogan 20:24 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:24 Like, he was on with Bill Maher-

Joe Rogan 20:25 Oh, I saw that.

Raanan Hershberg 20:25 ... and he was just chewing Bill Maher up.

Joe Rogan 20:28 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:28 And then he was on Charlamagne Tha God, and he was chewing him up.

Joe Rogan 20:30 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:31 It just... I love it. I love it. He's the best at that.

Joe Rogan 20:34 He's, yeah. He's no, he's the king. He's amazing.

Raanan Hershberg 20:36 He's the best at, like, breaking down what... "Yeah, I look at you." You know?

Joe Rogan 20:39 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:39 (laughs) Just breaking you down, and you're like, "Oh no, he knows me."

Joe Rogan 20:42 Just, just, uh, he just roasting you with that voice.

Raanan Hershberg 20:43 "Oh, he knows me. He knows me."

Joe Rogan 20:46 It's like... (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 20:47 Uh, no, he's amazing and he, uh, yeah, I just think, um, his ability to just always be himself on stage, which I think, f- that's the ki- comedy I love the most.

Joe Rogan 20:56 He has a unique talent for it, a unique talent for anything he's talking about, just being himself.

Raanan Hershberg 21:01 Yeah. No, that's incredible.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah. It's a fucking... It's, it's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have, like, something in common. And I think one thing that everybody has in common is, like, what... The best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.

Raanan Hershberg 21:17 Right, right, thinking about... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Really. Really.

Raanan Hershberg 21:19 And having to care about it.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 21:21 I feel like so many times I'll do a bit and it's not working, and then I, I realize, "I don't give a shit-

Joe Rogan 21:25 That's right.

Raanan Hershberg 21:25 ... about the thing I'm saying."

Joe Rogan 21:27 Uh-huh.

Raanan Hershberg 21:27 I need to... If it, if it's important to me, it'll be important to the audience.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them.

Raanan Hershberg 21:32 I know, 'cause you're like, "I don't, I don't, I don't really care about this." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:35 Yeah, this is, I, I-

Raanan Hershberg 21:36 You're not actually angry.

Joe Rogan 21:36 I know there's something. Like people go, "Yeah, there's something there." I'm like, "I know, but right now I don't give a fuck about it, so I have to leave it alone for a little bit."

Raanan Hershberg 21:41 If you don't give a fuck about it-

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 21:43 ... they can, they can tell.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Yeah. It's, uh, some of them, there are some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat, and I was like, "What is going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore."

Raanan Hershberg 21:52 You don't care. You don't care.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 21:53 And you know they work. There's no mystery.

Joe Rogan 21:55 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 21:55 I like... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:55 It's also I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit.

Raanan Hershberg 22:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:01 You know? There's li- there's... Sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight. It stays at an eight.

Raanan Hershberg 22:07 Exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 It never hits a ten. And you gotta, sometimes you gotta trim. Sometimes you keep them in if they make a point, if they're, like, bizarrely ironic-

Raanan Hershberg 22:16 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 22:16 ... or there's something about it where you're like, "It's worth it-"

Raanan Hershberg 22:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:19 "... even though it's not the funniest joke." It's worth-

Raanan Hershberg 22:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:20 'Cause if... Little hills and valleys.

Raanan Hershberg 22:22 With, with the hour it works well in the, you know.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Yeah, yeah, with an hour. But y- y- sometimes you just gotta set it aside. And then sometimes I'll come back to it, you know. I have, like, a, a, a whole folder that I call Orphan Babies-

Raanan Hershberg 22:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:36 ... and it's all bits that never made it on anything.

Raanan Hershberg 22:38 That's great to keep a record.

Joe Rogan 22:39 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 22:40 That's, that, that's a great thing to me.

Joe Rogan 22:41 You have to, 'cause at first, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 22:42 That's the hard part, forgetting everything.

Joe Rogan 22:44 I forget them sometimes if a friend brings them up.

Raanan Hershberg 22:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:46 Like, they're like, "What about the hyena thing?" I'm like, "Aw, I fucking forgot that."

Raanan Hershberg 22:49 I'm like that. People-

Joe Rogan 22:49 "How does it go?"

Raanan Hershberg 22:50 People bring that up and they're like, "Oh, yeah. Why did I stop doing that joke?" (laughs) And then they'll start doing it again.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Yeah. (laughs) It's, uh, I know. Yeah, it's weird.

Raanan Hershberg 22:54 It's stuff like, I requi- I, I did an hour, released an hour, like, a couple months ago, and so I'm trying to work out a new hour. It's tough when you have that, 'cause there's a lot of jokes you just probably don't care about that much, but you need-

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 23:05 ... it in there just for the... you know?

Joe Rogan 23:06 Right, right, right.

Raanan Hershberg 23:07 It's like scaffolding, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:08 Exactly. Right? To keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes.

Raanan Hershberg 23:12 But in my head I'm like, "Uh, I don't care about this one."

Joe Rogan 23:14 I think everybody should have a, a folder that they just put on... Everybody should write.

Raanan Hershberg 23:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:18 I mean, I, I know everybody likes to write on stage and I get it, and there's some of the greats that write on stage.... but I, if you're listening, if you're not those people, everybody else, you should write.

Raanan Hershberg 23:28 Yeah, 'cause you can go back and not forget them. I have a whole... My bookshelf looks like Seven. You know, where he has all the notebooks-

Joe Rogan 23:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 23:36 ... and the serial code. (laughs)

Narrator 23:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:36 That's great.

Raanan Hershberg 23:37 It's all just, you know-

Narrator 23:38 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 23:39 ... crazy manifestos and jokes, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:40 I think that's... It's, like, one of the things that I found when I had to do this live special was that I had to really go over my shit-

Raanan Hershberg 23:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:47 ... a- like, with a fine tooth comb. So I wound up writing out all my bits-

Raanan Hershberg 23:51 That's great.

Joe Rogan 23:52 ... that I've done hundreds of times, write them out e- exactly, word for word, just drill it into my head. And then I was preparing for this, I was like, (sighs) "I should probably be doing this all the time."

Raanan Hershberg 24:02 (laughs) I know, right?

Joe Rogan 24:03 I should probably be doing, not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.

Raanan Hershberg 24:07 I know. It's like, uh, whenever I'd do- done late night, I start really analyzing the jokes-

Joe Rogan 24:12 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 24:12 ... and then, like, cutting them and be like-

Joe Rogan 24:13 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 24:14 ... "Oh, I should... If I did this all the time, I'd be r- pretty good." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:17 (laughs)

Narrator 24:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:18 I'm like, "That word does not work there," but it's just 'cause I'm doing it on late night, so I'm like...

Narrator 24:22 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 24:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:22 But then normally I'm like, "Whatever." (laughs)

Narrator 24:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:24 I know. It's like, it's funny. It's we, we have our own schedule. We, we, we get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing.

Raanan Hershberg 24:31 It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 24:32 'Cause-

Raanan Hershberg 24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:32 ... 'cause if we were, like, a prodigy and, you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch.

Raanan Hershberg 24:38 I know, but you can only technically practice on stage. That's the weird thing. It's like-

Joe Rogan 24:42 You can, but you can prepare offstage.

Raanan Hershberg 24:45 You can prepare. Yeah. You got-

Joe Rogan 24:46 You know?

Raanan Hershberg 24:46 Yeah. I, uh... Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's, I think it's really important to w- like, write everything down and go back to it and just so you don't lose anything, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:54 You could forget things.

Raanan Hershberg 24:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:56 Like-

Raanan Hershberg 24:56 Especially as you get older.

Joe Rogan 24:57 I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head, and, uh, you know, like, uh, Duncan, I'm pretty sure he d- did this, release this bit so I could say it. Ah, he might not have. Fuck. But he's got a great bit about Adderall.

Raanan Hershberg 25:06 I released my SIDS bit. You can do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:08 Ah. No, but I don't know. I- I think it's... Uh, he, he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on it, so I don't wanna say it, but-

Raanan Hershberg 25:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:13 ... he, he's got this great Adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. And I said-

Raanan Hershberg 25:17 (laughs) 'Cause he wasn't-

Joe Rogan 25:17 "Remember that?" He goes-

Raanan Hershberg 25:18 'Cause he wasn't on Adderall.

Joe Rogan 25:18 ... "How does it go?"

Raanan Hershberg 25:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:19 I go, "You say it like you-" "Oh my God, that joke's amazing." I go, "It's your joke. You forgot it."

Raanan Hershberg 25:24 I know. You got it... Yeah. It's important to be organized. Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 25:27 Yeah. It's just we govern ourselves, and we're all slackers.

Raanan Hershberg 25:30 It's a weird job 'cause it's just you.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Uh-huh.

Raanan Hershberg 25:33 And it's just how y- even, like, advice doesn't typically work, 'cause every comedian, when they give advice, they're really just giving it f- that works for them.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 25:42 And you don't know if it works for your voice or how you-

Joe Rogan 25:45 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 25:45 It's all... So you're just alone.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 25:46 And you have to create your own system, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:49 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 25:49 And-

Joe Rogan 25:50 Advice, as long as it's not rigid, is really good, because you really can't tell people how to do things.

Raanan Hershberg 25:56 No. And, uh, if anything, I mean, there's some good advice. I mean, when I was starting out, I got a couple, you know-

Joe Rogan 26:02 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 26:02 ... look around the audience, keep the mic out of the- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:05 Oh, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 26:05 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 26:05 Standard stuff.

Raanan Hershberg 26:06 But, like, once you get into real advice, I don't know, I think it just gets in your head for the most part, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:11 (sighs) Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's terrible.

Raanan Hershberg 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:14 You know, I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out.

Raanan Hershberg 26:16 What's a good advice?

Joe Rogan 26:17 Good advice is write a lot, um-

Raanan Hershberg 26:20 Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 ... listen to your recordings. That was one thing. Uh, this guy Mike Donovan. And Bo- I- I got real lucky that I, I started out in Boston in the '80s, and it was like-

Raanan Hershberg 26:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:28 ... there was all these local headliners that were awesome.

Raanan Hershberg 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:30 I mean, world class, but they were local and they stayed local. And one of them was this guy Mike Donovan. And Mike Donovan, he always had a, like a... This is back in the day when you had cassette recorders that were big, like, like a fucking box of cigars. And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage. He goes-

Raanan Hershberg 26:47 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 26:47 "You never know." He goes, "You might have a new tagline in that moment."

Raanan Hershberg 26:51 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 26:52 "And then you'll forget about it if you don't listen." And I, that was some of the best advice I'd ever heard.

Raanan Hershberg 26:56 He was, he was like the first comic recording his sets. (laughs)

Narrator 26:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:58 Yeah, he was just a smart dude, and he just figured out that y- you gotta do that.

Raanan Hershberg 27:02 Yeah, I think, like, that advice is great. Like, definitely writing a lot and definitely listening to your sets is so important, 'cause there's so many comics who go up all the time, but they're delusional, and they don't get better 'cause they're not, like, realizing that it's not working, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah, you gotta analyze yourself like a hater.

Raanan Hershberg 27:18 Exactly. But-

Joe Rogan 27:19 It's-

Raanan Hershberg 27:20 But stuff about how to say shit and all that, I just feel... Or like your style, some of that, it's just, I feel like you're kind of alone a little.

Joe Rogan 27:26 100%.

Raanan Hershberg 27:27 You know?

Joe Rogan 27:27 'Cause, like, imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice-

Raanan Hershberg 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 ... to Mitch Hedberg on how do you...

Narrator 27:32 "Just fucking yell the bit."

Raanan Hershberg 27:34 "Get mad, get mad."

Joe Rogan 27:34 "Get mad."

Raanan Hershberg 27:35 "Get mad. Think about it. What, what the fuck were you thinking when she said-"

Narrator 27:37 "Get mad about the rice."

Raanan Hershberg 27:38 "Get mad."

Joe Rogan 27:39 (laughs)

Narrator 27:39 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 27:39 "Get mad. Get mad that there's so many rice."

Narrator 27:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:42 Yeah, I mean, y- at a certain point in time, that's one of the co-

Raanan Hershberg 27:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:45 I- I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've, we've talked about it, and I think we're gonna do it. And what I wanna do is have, outside of podcasts, to just have an interview with head-headliners when they come into town, and tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic?

Raanan Hershberg 28:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:04 What, what was it like? What'd you... How'd you feel? How'd you get started? Did someone influence you? Did someone ask you to do it?

Raanan Hershberg 28:10 I love it.

Joe Rogan 28:10 What were your first road gigs? Just not a podcast where, like, it'd be me talking about my stories, but just, like, I always wanna know a 100% an interview.

Raanan Hershberg 28:19 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 28:19 A conversation-

Raanan Hershberg 28:20 Yeah, that'd be great.

Joe Rogan 28:20 ... but an interview and just, uh, you know, so that it's archived for comics. 'Cause you remember, like, when you were starting, I mean, 17 years ago, right, there, you could get a couple of books. There was a few books. Ric- Richard Belzer had a book-

Raanan Hershberg 28:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:32 ... on standup, but it was kind of like tongue in cheek.

Raanan Hershberg 28:33 Right, right. The Comedy Bible-

Joe Rogan 28:35 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 28:35 ... by that woman.

Narrator 28:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's... But there was nothing written by anybody who was really good.

Raanan Hershberg 28:40 No.

Joe Rogan 28:41 So that was part of the problem. Not n- and Belzer was good, but-

Raanan Hershberg 28:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:44 But nothing written by, like, a, a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or, you know-

Raanan Hershberg 28:48 Right. It's-

Joe Rogan 28:48 ... a Lenny Bruce.

Raanan Hershberg 28:49 It's never advice from the great. It's always some weird person-

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 28:52 ... some like-

Joe Rogan 28:53 Kind of grifty.

Raanan Hershberg 28:54 Yeah, it's grifty. It's... And someone where you're like-

Joe Rogan 28:55 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 28:55 ... "What? You're not a comedian."

Narrator 28:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:57 Well, we thought about doing that at The Store back in the day. We were talking about doing comedy classes where, you know, a comic, like a headliner would come in. And I know Ari did this quite a few times. Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He'd, he'd set up, like, a seminar for free for all the local comics. Told them h- this is how you get a manager, this is how you get an agent.

Raanan Hershberg 29:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:15 This is how you get stage time. This is what you should do to organize your set. And fucking amazing resource for free. He did it for like two and a half hours.

Raanan Hershberg 29:23 Oh, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Uh, so Ari was doing that for a while. But it's, there's nothing like that for comics coming up. Everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs.

Raanan Hershberg 29:31 Yeah. Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 29:32 And-

Raanan Hershberg 29:32 Yeah. No, that's a good, that's a good...... I would love to hear that stuff.

Joe Rogan 29:35 Because if you could go, uh, start out now, and you can go on YouTube. First of all, you have access to everything.

Raanan Hershberg 29:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 Redd Foxx-

Raanan Hershberg 29:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Rodney Dangerfield. These f- fucking everything that's ever been is online. Uh, Lenny Bruce, you can watch Lenny Bruce recordings right now.

Raanan Hershberg 29:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:47 It was impossible to find that shit when we started.

Raanan Hershberg 29:49 No.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Impossible.

Raanan Hershberg 29:50 And still impossible to understand, but... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:52 Yeah, a lot of it, right?

Raanan Hershberg 29:53 I listen to him, I'm like, "I don't..." It was a different time where saying Yiddish was really, like, hip. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:58 Right. Lenny? Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 29:59 He was like, "Yeah, you know the meshuggeneh geysims."

Joe Rogan 30:01 That's true. (laughs) Well, the thing about Lenny was th- no one had ever talked like that publicly.

Raanan Hershberg 30:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:07 So this was a totally unique thing, that you have to take in the context of 1963.

Raanan Hershberg 30:12 Some of the most groundbreaking stuff feels the most dated later.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 30:15 'Cause it is so groundbreaking that everyone, the model changed.

Joe Rogan 30:19 The whole world changed the way they think about things, and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal.

Raanan Hershberg 30:27 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 30:27 So he's doing normal things to us.

Raanan Hershberg 30:29 But it seems... Yeah, no, it's like that musical Oklahoma! seems like such a standard thing.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 30:34 But at the time it was super experimental. It was the first one where they, they, uh, they had, like, uh, not a chorus on stage right away, or someone singing. A- and a narrative, like a narr- Like, musicals before that were reviews. And, uh... You like how I switched it to musicals? (laughs) You're like-

Joe Rogan 30:47 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 30:48 You're like, "Go back to comedy."

Joe Rogan 30:49 No, musicals are cool.

Raanan Hershberg 30:50 I love musicals. But it was like, it was groundbreaking at the time.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 30:53 A narrative story. Most shit before that was, like, reviews. And they broke a lot of rules, but now it's just Oklahoma!

Joe Rogan 30:59 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 30:59 You know? But it was, like, an experimental thing at the time.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Like The Wizard of Oz.

Raanan Hershberg 31:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:03 The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out.

Raanan Hershberg 31:07 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Like, it was something that everybody saw. It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen The Wizard of Oz.

Raanan Hershberg 31:14 Yeah. No, it was, it was, it is the most watched movie. I read a book about the making recently. It was interesting. Yeah. It, uh, did you know that... So, Judy Garland was, like, uh, groped by a lot of the little people on the movie.

Joe Rogan 31:28 Oh.

Raanan Hershberg 31:28 It's like a whole thing. She got groped. And I read it, apparently they were mad. All the little people were, like, very drunk and wild, you know.

Joe Rogan 31:37 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 31:37 And they were mad 'cause apparently they were getting paid less than Toto, the dog.

Joe Rogan 31:42 Whoa.

Raanan Hershberg 31:43 So the hierarchy on Wizard of Oz was like, the dog, little people, and then women at the bottom. You know? And they were, like, groping her, and she couldn't say anything about it.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Wow.

Raanan Hershberg 31:53 Isn't it insane? I would, I wish they could make a movie-

Joe Rogan 31:54 That's also, like, what year was that?

Raanan Hershberg 31:56 1939?

Joe Rogan 31:58 Bro, people were savages back then.

Raanan Hershberg 32:01 Oh, no, there was... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:02 Savages.

Raanan Hershberg 32:03 Oh, he slapped... Uh, the director, Victor Fleming, slapped Judy Garland in the face during a scene. Just slapped her 'cause she couldn't, uh, keep a straight face.

Joe Rogan 32:10 Oh my God.

Raanan Hershberg 32:12 Oh, no, it was... And that movie's sp- It, I wis- I wish they could make a movie about the making of Wizard of Oz, and that would show, like, the beauty of the movie but also how horrible (laughs) behind the scenes were.

Joe Rogan 32:22 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 32:22 'Cause you had the witch caught on fire, and literally, like, lost feeling in her hand at one point. And then they forced her to go back to Margaret, uh, what's her name? They forced her to go back to work the next day, even though she was in the hospital.

Joe Rogan 32:35 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 32:35 Uh, the original guy playing the Tin Man got really sick 'cause the, the, the paint they were using.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Oh, Jesus.

Raanan Hershberg 32:41 He ended up in the hospital, and they just replaced him.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Whoa.

Raanan Hershberg 32:43 Immediately. Yeah, and he got, like, really sick. Yeah, no, it's like a... It was a, a-

Joe Rogan 32:48 Oh, that makes sense. Like, what the fuck was that stuff they put on his skin?

Raanan Hershberg 32:51 There's no regulation back then. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:52 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 32:52 They're just like, "Let's try this."

Joe Rogan 32:54 Also, they had just got done with, like, think about, that was like thalidomide babies back then, right?

Raanan Hershberg 32:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Oh, that was actually later. Thalidomide babies, wasn't that, like, in the '60s? Um, but they had the, the, the girls that developed cancer because they were using the lume for the watches.

Raanan Hershberg 33:10 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 33:11 So that radioactive... What was that called?

Raanan Hershberg 33:12 That's the Radium Girls?

Joe Rogan 33:13 Radium Girls, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 33:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:14 The, the, there was horrific... Holes in their face and shit. Their f- their tongues would rot out of their mouths.

Raanan Hershberg 33:19 There was zero... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:20 Nobody told them anything.

Raanan Hershberg 33:21 Nope.

Joe Rogan 33:21 'Cause they would lick the tip of their brush when they were... 'Cause they were doing these very delicate lume dials-

Raanan Hershberg 33:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:27 ... on watches.

Raanan Hershberg 33:28 No, that, no one gave a shit. And the Hollywood, there was no, like... The stars didn't have, like... Some stars were beginning to have power, but Judy Garland, she was just treated like, like she was owned by them. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 33:38 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 33:38 Like, to slap?

Joe Rogan 33:39 Jesus Christ.

Raanan Hershberg 33:39 Imagine a director, like, try to slap, like, Emma Stone now. (laughs) You can't.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It's crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 33:44 But-

Joe Rogan 33:44 It's just crazy to think that that wasn't that long ago.

Raanan Hershberg 33:47 I know. And it's... Well, the Holocaust also happened too soon after. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:48 But isn't it kind of... But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic? Because you don't know how bad you suck-

Raanan Hershberg 33:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:57 ... until you see it. And people didn't know how bad, like, that kind of behavior was-

Raanan Hershberg 34:01 Until they saw it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:01 ... until you see it. Like, go to what- the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face.

Raanan Hershberg 34:06 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:06 And, and he was the hero.

Raanan Hershberg 34:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:07 And then they'd kiss each other.

Raanan Hershberg 34:08 It's all... Yeah, every-

Joe Rogan 34:09 Nuts!

Raanan Hershberg 34:10 It's... Yeah, you could... I love watching old stuff to see, like, the, the problematic parts. I just find them, like, really funny.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You ever see the one where it's, like, an old Western, and the guy is spanking his wife?

Raanan Hershberg 34:21 (laughs) Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 34:21 And the kid comes along and says, uh, "Do..." Like, "I know why you're spanking mommy."

Raanan Hershberg 34:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:27 "It's because you love her."

Raanan Hershberg 34:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:29 And then he's like, "That's right, son." It's so nuts. Like, the woman is over the guy's knees.

Raanan Hershberg 34:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:35 And he's spanking her.

Raanan Hershberg 34:37 That's, it's out of love, you know? It's... (laughs) That's insane. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 But this is, like, something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie.

Raanan Hershberg 34:44 Well-

Joe Rogan 34:44 I mean, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality and-

Raanan Hershberg 34:49 Well, every '80s movie, like, people are like, "You gotta watch this."

Joe Rogan 34:53 Here it is. Look at this.

Raanan Hershberg 34:53 Oh my God. (laughs)

Narrator 34:54 Come on, it won't do you any good. You-

Joe Rogan 34:55 It's John Wayne.

Narrator 34:56 ... been digging those spurs into me for two years. Now you're gonna get them.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Oh my God.

Narrator 35:00 Oh! Oh, you-

35:01 Thanks. (metal clanking)

Joe Rogan 35:02 "Thanks." (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 35:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:04 Look at this, he's beating her.

Raanan Hershberg 35:05 God! That's awful.

Narrator 35:06 ... I'll be proud of you.

Joe Rogan 35:06 This is not the one where the guy, uh, the wife... I mean, he's beating her with a piece of metal. And what a great show.

Raanan Hershberg 35:14 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 35:15 What a great movie.

Raanan Hershberg 35:16 I love where they give him this-

Joe Rogan 35:17 For the whole family.

Raanan Hershberg 35:17 ... the weapon to use.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 35:18 And he'd be like, "Thank you." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah. Normal.

Raanan Hershberg 35:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah, normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt?

Raanan Hershberg 35:24 Well, every '80s movie, they're like, "You gotta watch this '80s movie. It's a classic." Then you turn it on, and it's like 12 nerds gang raping a woman. It's like every '80s comedy is like a prank.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Is this the one? What is this one?And he spanks her too?

Raanan Hershberg 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:40 So he's carrying her away. Look, he's spanking her-

Raanan Hershberg 35:42 A lot of spanking live back then.

Joe Rogan 35:42 ... in front of everybody. Look at them watching. This is so crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 35:46 That's insan- not just spanking, but spanking in public. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:48 Not just... Like, he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her.

Raanan Hershberg 35:51 And they're laughing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 Like, they think it's wonderful. Look. They think, "He's gonna fuck her later."

Raanan Hershberg 35:57 They're like, "Good for you." "He drops her!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:57 And he just drops her.

Raanan Hershberg 36:01 (laughs) They're just laughing.

Narrator 36:04 I've never been so proud of you in all my life.

Raanan Hershberg 36:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:06 What the fuck? What the fuck? "I've never been so pr-"

Narrator 36:09 Come around and see me in the morning, son. I'm starting you back to work at 10:00.

Raanan Hershberg 36:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:12 Oh, they both have black eyes.

Raanan Hershberg 36:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:14 And he's got his arm around her. "Oh, sweetie, I got the job."

Raanan Hershberg 36:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:18 What the fuck is that movie about?

Raanan Hershberg 36:21 Yeah, we are. We make... We just look evil when we look back in the past, and we're just like, "Slap! Spank her! Spank her!"

Joe Rogan 36:25 And, and by the way, they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people.

Raanan Hershberg 36:31 Of course, yeah. Well, we, you know, we change, we move at our own pace. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:35 Right. And so we had to, like, look at the cave people and just go, "That is kinda fucked up that he stabbed that guy with a spear. I remember that."

Raanan Hershberg 36:40 (laughs) But, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:41 (laughs) And then it goes from that to movies and plays, right?

Raanan Hershberg 36:44 Yeah. Well, we're getting, we're getting better.

Joe Rogan 36:46 We're getting to it, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 36:46 It's just slow. I, my, my cousin had a bat mitzvah. Uh, and it was Reform, you know, that's where you do the whole service in English and you have to read part of the Bible, which in Reform... In Conservative you do it in Hebrew, but in Reform you do it in English.

Joe Rogan 36:58 What does it, what does it... Why Reform?

Raanan Hershberg 36:59 They're just more liberal, more accessible.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Oh, okay.

Raanan Hershberg 37:01 It's usually, like, a lesbian rabbi-

Joe Rogan 37:03 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 37:03 ... and she's, like, eating out her girlfriend on stage and stuff.

Joe Rogan 37:06 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 37:06 And there was, like, a... The cantor's tuning a guitar. And, uh, she had to read a part of the Bible, but Reform do it in English, so this 13-year-old girl had to go on stage in front of everyone and read this selected part. And, like, not every part of the Bible holds up, so she... It was, like, 300 people, her parents behind her, and she's just on stage, she has to open to the part and she's just like, "When a slave offends you, you cut off his right arm." (laughs) And then his parents, her parents are behind her going like, "That's my girl." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:33 Jesus.

Raanan Hershberg 37:33 And then she's like, "When you offend them again, you execute them! These are the laws of, of, of how to punish your slaves!" (laughs) And we're all just, like, in the back. I'm just-

Joe Rogan 37:43 Is that a real quote?

Raanan Hershberg 37:44 Yeah, or something like that, yeah. Something close to that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Jesus Christ.

Raanan Hershberg 37:47 And that's why you do it in Hebrew, so you don't have to know the shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:50 (laughs) So you can pretend it's okay.

Raanan Hershberg 37:50 I'm like, that's why we do it in Hebrew. "You don't know what they're talking about."

Joe Rogan 37:53 Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right? Like, nobody could speak Latin.

Raanan Hershberg 37:57 (laughs) So they could do, tell them whatever.

Joe Rogan 37:58 They would take the priest's word for it.

Raanan Hershberg 37:59 It says give me $100 if you want to be in the afterlife. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:02 (laughs) I think there was a lot of that going on. That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther.

Raanan Hershberg 38:07 Right, right. Yeah, the Latin, that was a, that was a big con.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Huge con.

Raanan Hershberg 38:11 Yeah. Just-

Joe Rogan 38:11 Nobody speaks it.

Raanan Hershberg 38:12 Yeah, only we know what it's saying. The priest is like, "Kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now."

Joe Rogan 38:16 Isn't it nuts, isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language? Like, you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin.

Raanan Hershberg 38:22 No, unless you're getting possessed by the devil.

Joe Rogan 38:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 38:27 (laughs) Don't forget that demographic.

Joe Rogan 38:28 Oh, yeah, those folks. Well, they usually t- talk in tongues. They're not even doing Latin, they're going... (gibbers)

Raanan Hershberg 38:33 Yeah, they throw in a little. They don't throw in Latin.

Joe Rogan 38:37 Do they occasionally?

Raanan Hershberg 38:37 I feel like the Exorcist, I feel like she throws in a little Latin.

Joe Rogan 38:40 She said, "Your mother sucks cocks in hell."

Raanan Hershberg 38:42 Which, by the way, that movie-

Joe Rogan 38:43 Super English.

Raanan Hershberg 38:44 I don't understand why anyone's scared of that movie. That movie's hilarious. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:47 That's because you're younger than me.

Raanan Hershberg 38:48 I know, yes.

Joe Rogan 38:49 When I was a boy, that movie was fucking terrifying. I saw that movie, I was real young. Like, I probably shouldn't have been able to see it. Like what y- what year did that movie come out?

Raanan Hershberg 38:57 '75? 70...

Narrator 39:04 '73.

Raanan Hershberg 39:04 Damn.

Joe Rogan 39:04 '73, okay.

Raanan Hershberg 39:06 Tried to be Rain Man and failed.

Joe Rogan 39:07 So I was six.

Raanan Hershberg 39:08 Yeah, well. (laughs) Well, you shouldn't have been seeing the movie anyway.

Joe Rogan 39:10 I saw that movie when I was six.

Raanan Hershberg 39:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies.

Raanan Hershberg 39:13 But can, can I, can I ask you this? Did you at the time... I was telling them about it backstage. Did you b- did you believe in the devil, kinda?

Joe Rogan 39:20 Oh, yeah, sure.

Raanan Hershberg 39:21 'Cause I'm a Jew. I'm, like, a heathen Jew, right? We don't believe in the devil. So for me, it just felt, like, funny.

Joe Rogan 39:26 It's a good fucking movie, man.

Raanan Hershberg 39:28 But it's just like, she's like, you... Saying, like, "Your mom sucks cocks in hell," that's like... To a priest, that's definitively funny.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Well, how about when she fucks herself with a cross?

Raanan Hershberg 39:38 I just don't... I don't know, it's just like, to me it feels-

Joe Rogan 39:41 But isn't... She said some r- wild shit while she was doing it too, like, "Fuck my cunt."

Raanan Hershberg 39:44 "Fuck," yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:45 Something like that.

Raanan Hershberg 39:45 But that's, like... I guess back then, the idea of a kid cursing was like-

Joe Rogan 39:49 Oh, it was crazy. Well, this girl-

Raanan Hershberg 39:51 But now it's South Park and that's good.

Joe Rogan 39:52 You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie.

Raanan Hershberg 39:54 She got, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:54 She got really fucked up from doing these... Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil.

Raanan Hershberg 40:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:01 So everybody knows you, you're famous now.

Raanan Hershberg 40:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:03 And you're famous for being the fucking devil.

Raanan Hershberg 40:05 That's insane, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:06 So everywhere you go people are scared of you.

Raanan Hershberg 40:08 Ah! (laughs) You just see people see you on the street.

Joe Rogan 40:10 "You fucked yourself with a crucifix in a movie!"

Raanan Hershberg 40:12 You're like 13, people are walking by, "Suck cocks in hell!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:16 Jesus Christ. And she probably never heard the end of it, and that was another movie that everybody saw.

Raanan Hershberg 40:20 Yeah, that was, uh... Yeah. I just, I love horror movies, but I find that one, it's like... I just don't find it... I don't know, I feel like a girl. I mean, at the time, I get it was scary. Definitely if you're six. Uh, but I just find it silly. It's just like you're, you're telling the priest to go fuck himself. It's just funny.

Joe Rogan 40:36 I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024 and-

Raanan Hershberg 40:40 We're heathens now.

Joe Rogan 40:41 And all those movies have gone on and we've learned from those movies.

Raanan Hershberg 40:45 Right. Which is interesting to think that, like, back then at kid cursing, we were so much more puritanical. That was, like, disturbing.

Joe Rogan 40:52 Right. Disturbing.

Raanan Hershberg 40:53 And now it's South Park.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yeah, it's totally normal.

Raanan Hershberg 40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Now they're sticking things up their butts.

Raanan Hershberg 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 On, in cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now. And all, that's, again, it's like going back to listening to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to... He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole, 'cause they, they didn't realize that they were stealing it. Uh, but it... 'Cause it was so, so brilliant, but it was when homosexuality was illegal back then.

Raanan Hershberg 41:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:19 And he goes, "Uh, being gay is, uh, illegal, dig? What do, what do they do when they catch you? They put you in jail with a bunch of guys who wanna have sex with you."

Raanan Hershberg 41:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:28 (laughs) This is a great joke.

Raanan Hershberg 41:29 He had great jokes.

Joe Rogan 41:30 It's, it just...... y- you don't, we, we ca- if you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien. Like, "Who is this guy? How is he talking so freely about things?"

Raanan Hershberg 41:42 Right, right. And he, he did have great jo- you just gotta get past the, "You dig?" and the-

Joe Rogan 41:45 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 41:46 ... Meshuganahs. But like, uh, he had great joke. I, I, I writ- that book of his is awesome, the one, uh, of his transcripts. You l- look at that?

Joe Rogan 41:53 No.

Raanan Hershberg 41:54 It's like, uh, just the writin' style-

Joe Rogan 41:56 Of the trials?

Raanan Hershberg 41:56 No, just of the standup.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Oh, the standup.

Raanan Hershberg 41:58 It's awesome. You see it all and like, uh, he had one bit that was like, uh, I love Bill Hicks, he's one of my favorites, but it was similar to a Bill Hicks joke. Not to say Bill Hicks stole from it, but they're just great minds think alike about like, "If Jesus came back, do you, would he r- want to see a cross?" Something similar to that.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 42:14 And-

Joe Rogan 42:14 Well, th- a bunch of guys had that, though. Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 42:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:16 You know?

Raanan Hershberg 42:16 But he might've been the first.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Yeah, he probably was the first. I mean, Kinison had something kind of similar to that too.

Raanan Hershberg 42:22 I listened to Bill, Bill Hicks recently, and I li- he got me into comedy, I always loved him. I listened to him on a road trip recently, and he holds up so well. And I think like the people call him preachy, and I think they're so wrong. I don't, I actually think all those jokes are just good jokes that aren't really preachy for the most part.

Joe Rogan 42:39 See, I don't think it was preachy. Like, like I don't think Anthony Jeselnik is really offensive.

Raanan Hershberg 42:46 N- no, 'cause there's-

Joe Rogan 42:47 You know what I'm saying?

Raanan Hershberg 42:47 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 42:47 Like, it's a style of comedy.

Raanan Hershberg 42:49 It-

Joe Rogan 42:49 His style of comedy was condescending, "I'm smarter than you, and here's some amazing points-

Raanan Hershberg 42:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:55 ... about life." And so, I liked it. I liked that-

Raanan Hershberg 42:58 Hicks, you mean?

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah, Hicks. Like when Hicks would talk about things. He would talk about things like, "You know, everybody's stupid. Like this is why."

Raanan Hershberg 43:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:05 "And I'm telling you how it should be."

Raanan Hershberg 43:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:07 And that's what people didn't like about it, but that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like there were some points that that's really kinda the only way, if you want to s- deliver it the way he does it, it's really kinda the only way you can do it.

Raanan Hershberg 43:20 Well, it's also funny to see a crazy person on stage, just someone who's like, you know-

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 43:24 ... that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 43:25 Like he is a funny character, and I do think he has great misdirects, like just great jokes that go beyond like what ideology he's like, you know, professing, you know?

Joe Rogan 43:35 You mean Hicks?

Raanan Hershberg 43:36 Hicks, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Yeah. Well, he had brilliant shit about the war. You know?

Raanan Hershberg 43:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Like, "They have sophisticated weapons." "How do you know?" "We check the receipts." (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 43:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:43 (laughs) Which is just...

Raanan Hershberg 43:44 Well, the whole like, uh, Osb- uh, the, uh, Book Depository is very realistic.

Joe Rogan 43:49 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 43:49 Oswald isn't in it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 43:52 He just had great, like, I, I, yeah, I just thought he had just kinda like Woody Allen. I know he loved Woody Allen, like great like misdirects.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Mm-hmm.

Raanan Hershberg 43:59 And when you listen to it now, a lot of it is kinda what a lot of good comedy is, where you take a hot button issue, but then you s- then you just have a joke that's just kinda about something else, which-

Joe Rogan 44:07 Right, right, right.

Raanan Hershberg 44:08 ... and that's really a lot of what his stuff is. It just feels like kinda like modern comedy, you know?

Joe Rogan 44:12 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kinda interesting for the first time.

Raanan Hershberg 44:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:18 He had interesting subjects.

Raanan Hershberg 44:20 Him and Doug Stanhope definitely were my big influences.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 44:23 I loved you too, I loved your olds, I loved your, uh... I remember list- when back when I listened to comedy albums, that was a different era, I guess, you know?

Joe Rogan 44:31 Oh, wow, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 44:32 But I remember e- I loved your bit about the tiger in the zoo.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Oh, yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 44:35 The monster in a box.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 44:37 (laughs) I still think about that every time I'm in a zoo 'cause they always make the cage look like they could possibly jump out.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 44:43 You know? You remember that bit?

Joe Rogan 44:44 Yeah, I do, I kinda remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger and the, the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12-foot cage. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 44:53 Right. (laughs) Yeah. They gave it like a little-

Joe Rogan 44:54 They didn't even put a roof on it.

Raanan Hershberg 44:55 They're like, "This cage is secure unless the tiger gets really mad."

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 44:58 "But when's that gonna happen?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:59 Just, I would've given everything to see the look on their face when that thing touched the top of the bars.

Raanan Hershberg 45:06 Yeah, they were like-

Joe Rogan 45:07 When the paws hit the bars, and the body starts going over, the flood-

Raanan Hershberg 45:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:14 ... of chemicals that must go into your mind.

Raanan Hershberg 45:16 That's a high.

Joe Rogan 45:18 Off the charts.

Raanan Hershberg 45:19 That's a high.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life.

Raanan Hershberg 45:21 That's like a cold plunge times 10,000.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Well, it's like undeniable, you're dying right now.

Raanan Hershberg 45:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Like it's coming for you. It's a 600-pound super predator.

Raanan Hershberg 45:29 But one kid survived, right? I think-

Joe Rogan 45:30 One kid survived. I think the kid who threw the pine cones unfortunately survived. I think his, his buddy got taken out.

Raanan Hershberg 45:36 Oh, that's how fierce tigers are, right?

Joe Rogan 45:38 I think it's-

Raanan Hershberg 45:38 "I'm not gonna fuck you up, I'm gonna fuck your friend up."

Joe Rogan 45:40 I think his buddy went to help him.

Raanan Hershberg 45:42 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 45:42 I don't know the whole story. I mean, who knows? It was probably just chaos.

Raanan Hershberg 45:47 But I think about that bit every time at a zoo. They always make it look like the tiger can jump out. I'm like, "Why don't you, you, why don't you just not make it look like that?"

Joe Rogan 45:54 Put a roof on the box.

Raanan Hershberg 45:55 (laughs) Monster on the box.

Joe Rogan 45:56 You keep the monster in.

Raanan Hershberg 45:57 Or the box on the mon-

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 45:57 Yeah. Um...

Joe Rogan 45:58 Why don't you have a roof on the box?

Raanan Hershberg 46:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:01 (laughs) If you have a monster in a city-

Raanan Hershberg 46:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:03 ... (laughs) in a box, put a fucking roof on the box.

Raanan Hershberg 46:05 We, we don't need to make it look like it can jump out. We don't need-

Joe Rogan 46:08 (laughs) Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on?

Raanan Hershberg 46:10 No, I th-

Joe Rogan 46:10 Is it that expensive?

Raanan Hershberg 46:11 I think they want to make it feel like it's free.

Joe Rogan 46:13 Fuck that. It's not free.

Raanan Hershberg 46:15 No, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:15 And they shouldn't be there. I, I don't, I don't agree with zoos at all.

Raanan Hershberg 46:19 You don't like zoos?

Joe Rogan 46:19 No, I don't. I d- I used to l- I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them 'cause I want my kids to be able to see these animals 'cause it's kinda cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo-

Raanan Hershberg 46:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:27 ... "Whoa."

Raanan Hershberg 46:28 Right, of course, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:29 But the reality is, they're prisons. They're prisons for animals that didn't do anything wrong. And-

Raanan Hershberg 46:33 But, it's a little different in the sense that their life outside of prison is pretty messed up. They're just getting killed.

Joe Rogan 46:41 But it's, but it's natural.

Raanan Hershberg 46:42 It is natural.

Joe Rogan 46:42 It's not, they're not all getting killed. You know?

Raanan Hershberg 46:44 Well-

Joe Rogan 46:44 They're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that l- live to kill.

Raanan Hershberg 46:50 I guess the zoo is better for the prey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:53 (laughs) It's definitely bet- well, I used to have a joke about that too, about the only peop- animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes.

Raanan Hershberg 46:59 They're having a great time.

Joe Rogan 47:00 They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. They're like, "Another day with no lions."

Raanan Hershberg 47:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:04 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 47:04 Well, it's like, yeah, if that's jail, like freedom-

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 47:06 ... to them just getting chased by... Like if, if you, if you were in prison and outside of prison you could just get eaten at any time-

Joe Rogan 47:12 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 47:12 ... prison wouldn't look so bad.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure-

Raanan Hershberg 47:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:16 ... and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it.

Raanan Hershberg 47:19 Yeah, it sucks for the predators 'cause they can't like hunt.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 47:22 And then they always put the tiger like next to the giraffe or the lion just to fuck with them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:26 Which is so crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 47:27 It's a little cruel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:28 Can you imagine being a tiger, and you're like, "I can't believe that every day."

Raanan Hershberg 47:32 Every day, every day.

Joe Rogan 47:32 And then you forget 'cause you have bad memory.

Raanan Hershberg 47:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:34 "Oh, he's right there. Fuck! What the fuck?"Cocksuckers.

Raanan Hershberg 47:37 Yeah, they, uh, they're kinda cruel with that. Put 'em in different places.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Well, you shouldn't put them there at all.

Raanan Hershberg 47:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:42 They're, they're, it's cra- the whole thing's crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 47:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:44 And I, I get it does protect some endangered species, but boy, I think if we really care about animals, we should put a lot more money into it, and there should be a lot larger spaces.

Raanan Hershberg 47:54 Yeah. Definitely, definitely.

Joe Rogan 47:55 And it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo.

Raanan Hershberg 47:58 And it's always weird who gets the big space. I might-

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 48:00 ... at the Louisville Zoo, like, there's a wolf who just got, like, fucking, like, 12 acres.

Joe Rogan 48:05 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 48:05 And then a snow leopard's like-

Joe Rogan 48:06 (coughs)

Raanan Hershberg 48:06 ... in, like, a little diorama with a cage on it.

Joe Rogan 48:09 It's sick. You know?

Raanan Hershberg 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it. If you really wanna go see an animal, you should be going on a fucking safari and drive through these areas-

Raanan Hershberg 48:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:16 ... where they're, they're killing gazelles and they're doing normal lion shit. This is a normal lion, in a lion environment, and you drive through it, and it's probably dangerous as shit.

Raanan Hershberg 48:26 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:26 And keep your fucking windows rolled... You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the, um, (clicks tongue) uh, one of the video... I think one of the video editors, or one of the editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks.

Raanan Hershberg 48:36 In the safari?

Joe Rogan 48:37 She rolled her window down-

Raanan Hershberg 48:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:38 ... and she was l- leaning out to take a photo or something. The cat reached in and grabbed her.

Raanan Hershberg 48:43 Oh, my God. I saw one of those videos where the people in the car, and like, the, one of, one of them, the... I think it was a tiger. Not a tiger, it's Africa. But it was, uh, a lion coming up to the car and they're looking at it, and then the lion (laughs) just opened the door. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:56 Oh, my God.

Raanan Hershberg 48:56 Like, it just put his paw in the door to open it, and they're like, "Ah!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:00 Ugh. Lock the fucking door, man.

Raanan Hershberg 49:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:02 Imagine a little skinny ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy-

Raanan Hershberg 49:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:07 ... and there's a lion right outside-

Raanan Hershberg 49:09 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 49:09 ... of it. He could put his head through it easily.

Raanan Hershberg 49:11 It's, yeah-

Joe Rogan 49:11 He doesn't know.

Raanan Hershberg 49:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:13 But if he just fucking smashes his head, it'll go right through that thing.

Raanan Hershberg 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:16 He's a lion.

Raanan Hershberg 49:16 If he's just, like, crazy that day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:18 If he just decides to pop it with his paw, it's just gonna burst.

Raanan Hershberg 49:21 Well, that's what's crazy about the tiger who killed the kid, it's like, they were like, "He can't get out unless he's- really wants to." (laughs) It's like, don't... Protect it from him really wanting to as well, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:32 But they didn't have the proper height fence.

Raanan Hershberg 49:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:35 They, not only do they not have a roof on it, the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over.

Raanan Hershberg 49:40 That's insane.

Narrator 49:40 It was only about a three-foot wall.

Raanan Hershberg 49:41 What?

Narrator 49:42 I don't... And I'm-

Raanan Hershberg 49:42 (laughs)

Narrator 49:43 (laughs) That's insane.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Leaping over a three-foot wall and out of its enclosure? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Narrator 49:49 So the, the, yeah, they might have misunderstood when they wrote this article, but that's what this says.

Joe Rogan 49:53 I don't think that's correct. I'm, I'm almost positive-

Raanan Hershberg 49:56 Hilarious (clears throat) .

Joe Rogan 49:57 ... I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. Oh, "The wall was 1.2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum."

Raanan Hershberg 50:04 But it wasn't, it was more than three feet.

Joe Rogan 50:06 I think it was f- 12 feet, man.

Raanan Hershberg 50:07 That'd be hilarious if it was actually three feet, and they're like, "Whoa, what's the problem?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:10 That's crazy that it's four foot shy.

Narrator 50:13 I'm reading multiple articles. This one is even, this was also weird. I thought it happened in 2011 and this says it was 2008, so I'm kinda, like, confused on that too.

Joe Rogan 50:21 Mm (clicks tongue) maybe there's more than one of those.

Narrator 50:23 But this was the same person that died in both articles.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Oh, how weird.

Raanan Hershberg 50:27 They were trying to say they were on drugs. It's like-

Narrator 50:28 Yeah, he says the guys were high and drunk.

Raanan Hershberg 50:29 ... it doesn't mean they deserved to die. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:31 One me- three-foot wall, that's so crazy. I could jump a three-foot wall. (laughs)

Narrator 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Like, oh yeah, that's not real.

Raanan Hershberg 50:37 I could try.

Joe Rogan 50:38 There's n- (laughs) there's no way.

Raanan Hershberg 50:39 I could get you on the third try.

Narrator 50:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:40 Yeah, you could probably-

Raanan Hershberg 50:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:42 ... at least get over the top of it. There's no way it was th- that's no, there's no way, that's this tall? That's crazy.

Raanan Hershberg 50:48 That would be hilarious if they (laughs) just made it three feet. They're like-

Joe Rogan 50:50 But-

Raanan Hershberg 50:51 They're like, "He doesn't..." You know.

Narrator 50:52 Uh, from the San Francisco newspaper.

Joe Rogan 50:54 What does that one say?

Narrator 50:55 There's a picture of what it was. The wall.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Bro, that's pretty high. It says-

Raanan Hershberg 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet. But it looks- The current wall used to be 12 feet, so that's where it was, and the tiger jumped over that, and now they gave them an extra five feet. Fuck that place. But let's have a look, or seven.

Narrator 51:14 It looks like the tiger couldn't have made that jump on that distance. They said it was too far.

Raanan Hershberg 51:17 It looks like it's built to have that tiger jump off that top part onto the thing. It's like it's built so he can jump out.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Did they say the tiger jumped from the bottom or the tiger jumped from that top part?

Narrator 51:27 The articles I was reading when it first happened, they weren't sure what the fuck happened. They were like, "It doesn't make sense that it happened." They were like, they must, someone must have helped it.

Joe Rogan 51:34 What? (clicks tongue) That's them covering their ass.

Raanan Hershberg 51:37 Yeah.

Narrator 51:37 They were, yeah, it is a little bit of that, 'cause they-

Joe Rogan 51:38 That's them covering their ass.

Narrator 51:40 ... they were sure what happened. They were like, he was-

Joe Rogan 51:40 They know exactly what happened. There was eyewitnesses, people saw it happen.

Raanan Hershberg 51:44 Also, who could have helped it? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:45 Yeah. Shou- shou- so that's what it looked like?

Narrator 51:47 I guess so. That's the first picture I've seen of that.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Oh, my God. Imagine that thing coming over-

Raanan Hershberg 51:51 Wow.

Joe Rogan 51:51 ... the top of that.

Raanan Hershberg 51:51 You made-

Narrator 51:53 So they couldn't even- That's the, that's the three-foot fence-

Joe Rogan 51:54 Yeah.

Narrator 51:54 ... I think that they were saying.

Joe Rogan 51:55 Exactly.

Raanan Hershberg 51:55 But wait, so if the pin- if they're throwing pine... Is this the pine cones thing? Or is it different?

Narrator 51:59 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 51:59 So the, it had to be below if they're throwing pine cones in the air, right?

Joe Rogan 52:02 No, it could be over there. They could throw it over the ridge.

Raanan Hershberg 52:05 You think it got all the way to the...

Joe Rogan 52:06 Yeah. Yeah, you could throw that that f- that's not that far.

Raanan Hershberg 52:08 No?

Joe Rogan 52:09 No.

Raanan Hershberg 52:09 It's not that far.

Joe Rogan 52:10 No, no. That looks like t- 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again. Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude.

Narrator 52:17 It's a big jump though.

Raanan Hershberg 52:18 I guess you can-

Joe Rogan 52:19 It's probably a big jump for a cat. I don't know if he made the jump. I think he made the jump from the bottom.

Narrator 52:25 That's, yeah, the argu- the argu- the one that was confusing said that it was basically in these bushes when they fucking, when they were standing on this rail, throwing shit at it, and then they got too close and found out, like, there was one way closer than they thought.

Raanan Hershberg 52:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:37 That's not what I heard.

Narrator 52:39 I know, I know, it doesn't make sense.

Joe Rogan 52:40 I don't know. That, what I had heard was the thing was over there, they were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall. Which only makes sense. Ra- oh, eyewitness accounts, statements from the t- (laughs)

Narrator 52:52 Here's where I get my confusion though. This is from 2011, and those last two articles were 2008.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Hmm. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole f-

Narrator 52:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:59 ... story until 2011.

Narrator 53:01 Maybe it is. 2008 right here.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Yeah. Oh, there it is. Okay.

Raanan Hershberg 53:03 Oh, it's 'cause of the lawsuit.

Narrator 53:05 Scammed them all.

Raanan Hershberg 53:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:05 So, to the lawsuit, yeah. They should fucking sue for sure. (laughs) I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers.

Raanan Hershberg 53:10 They don't deserve to die.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Y- you're a fucking kid. You're a dumbass kid.

Raanan Hershberg 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 That could've been us if we were both 17 and I'd go-

Raanan Hershberg 53:16 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 53:16 "I do, I dare you to throw a pine cone. Come on, pussy."

Narrator 53:19 So it's a, it's just a pine cone.

Raanan Hershberg 53:19 Yeah.

Narrator 53:20 They're gonna jump from the bottom of the moat and pull itself over.

Joe Rogan 53:22 To the dry moat to the top of the wall. Wow.

Raanan Hershberg 53:27 No, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:28 From the bottom of the dry moat, so they got into the bottom of the... Yeah, like I thought.

Narrator 53:32 Look at the victim blaming.

Joe Rogan 53:32 It's, it was at the bottom of the thing.

Raanan Hershberg 53:33 I can't imagine it jumping out unless it was provoked. Yeah, but it shouldn't be able to jump out if it's provoked.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Yeah, that's so crazy (laughs) .

Raanan Hershberg 53:40 You should, you should have a backup plan for the tiger's emotions. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah. Also, why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that?

Raanan Hershberg 53:47 The tiger can't get out as long as it's, the tigers chill.

Joe Rogan 53:51 ... wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards-

Raanan Hershberg 53:54 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:54 ... where it resumed attacks. Oh, my God. Photos show blood-smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently dragged Sosa's body. It found-

Raanan Hershberg 54:02 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 54:03 ... the blood trail. The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else, unless it were a compelling reason. Oh, my God, another victim-blaming.

Raanan Hershberg 54:10 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 54:10 The t- tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the terrace cafe outside the dining area.

Raanan Hershberg 54:18 This is a real, what are they wearing? What were they wearing?

Joe Rogan 54:21 Yes.

Raanan Hershberg 54:21 You know what I mean? To provoke it. That's exactly what it is. They're-

Joe Rogan 54:23 Those-

Raanan Hershberg 54:23 They were high, or, or like when a-

Joe Rogan 54:25 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 54:25 ... when a black person gets killed and they, they try to, uh, vilify the black guy. They're like, "He was on drugs." It's kind of like that. They're like, "He was high. He was th- they shouldn't have provoked him." But it's like, you should have a cage where a tiger can't get out-

Joe Rogan 54:38 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 54:38 ... on any mood the tiger's in.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Yeah, any mood.

Raanan Hershberg 54:40 Whether he's happy or mad. They should test every mood. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 54:44 And see if he could jump out in any of the moods.

Joe Rogan 54:45 Also, what if it killed some old lady who was just there with her, her niece?

Raanan Hershberg 54:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 You know, showing her around?

Raanan Hershberg 54:51 And-

Joe Rogan 54:51 And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened? You're, you're just guessing.

Raanan Hershberg 54:55 And it didn't even kill the frie- it didn't even kill the guy. It killed the other guy.

Joe Rogan 54:58 I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember.

Raanan Hershberg 55:01 But I bet it killed-

Narrator 55:01 Yeah, it killed the younger of the three. The other two were brothers that were not killed.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Who was the one that threw the pine cones? Were they all throwing them?

Narrator 55:08 That, I don't, that, I haven't found out, or...

Raanan Hershberg 55:09 It sucks that they'd know that that tiger was, like...

Joe Rogan 55:11 Maybe they were all throwing pine cones. Maybe I heard the story wrong.

Raanan Hershberg 55:14 Or the tiger was just clearly more annoyed by one of them. Like, one of them had a more annoying face.

Joe Rogan 55:18 I think it's th- it's whoever the fuck is closest.

Raanan Hershberg 55:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Who's closest? Who's the, who's gonna get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything.

Raanan Hershberg 55:26 Yeah, it's a little... It's wild.

Joe Rogan 55:27 I mean, the whole reason they exist is they are the cleanup crew for nature.

Raanan Hershberg 55:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:33 Anything that has a limp, anything that does-

Raanan Hershberg 55:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:35 ... something stupid, you go walking through the thick grass, (snaps fingers) that's a wrap.

Raanan Hershberg 55:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:39 That's what they're there for. They're there to-

Raanan Hershberg 55:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:40 They're there for overpopulation.

Raanan Hershberg 55:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Because they exist around deer.

Raanan Hershberg 55:44 Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 They exist around a very specific kind of deer, it's called an axis deer. And these deer move like lightning, dude.

Raanan Hershberg 55:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:51 You ever seen an axis deer?

Raanan Hershberg 55:52 No, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 55:53 But they fucking choom, they take off like it's crazy, because they evolved around tigers.

Raanan Hershberg 55:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:58 So they, they just explode away so fast.

Raanan Hershberg 56:01 A lot of times you see those water buffalo moving, they seem to completely forget about tigers or lions until they jump out, and then they're like, "Oh, shit," and then they all run away.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Not that many lions eat water buffalos.

Raanan Hershberg 56:11 No?

Joe Rogan 56:11 They're so big. They're too dangerous.

Raanan Hershberg 56:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:13 So you could get a broken jaw, broken leg.

Raanan Hershberg 56:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:15 They stomp your head, you're dead.

Raanan Hershberg 56:17 But yeah, I agree that predators, it sucks for them in the zoo, but you never wanna have a zoo with just prey. That would kinda suck.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Reported that her claws were not frayed, suggesting that she made the 12-foot, nine-inch leap on her first attempt. Oh, my God.

Raanan Hershberg 56:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:31 Dr. Duncker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the, for the cat. Jesus Christ. Do you know, there's a, one specific, uh, tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo.

Raanan Hershberg 56:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Because they get stranded on an island.

Raanan Hershberg 56:50 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Uh, the, the, the currents change of this river, and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo.

Raanan Hershberg 56:56 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 56:56 And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions. They look like Hulk lions.

Raanan Hershberg 57:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:02 It's crazy. It's called, uh, relentless enemies.

Raanan Hershberg 57:05 'Cause they're the hunters, the females, right?

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yes, the females are the hunters. So they got as big as male lions.

Raanan Hershberg 57:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:09 So the female hunters are as j- they're jacked too.

Raanan Hershberg 57:12 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:12 Like, they look freakish, because they have to take out water buffalo all the time.

Raanan Hershberg 57:16 Have you seen the, the video, the best nature video? I mean, it's v- uh, the one about the water buffalos walking and then the lion comes and they like... I- it's like four lions, and they never go after the big one. It's always, like, four of them after, like, a baby water buffalo-

Joe Rogan 57:28 Right.

Raanan Hershberg 57:28 ... in, like, a wheelchair. He's like, "Ah." And they push him into the water, and then a crocodile comes out of the water and grabs the water buffalo, the baby. And then the, the, the lions are, like, having a tug-of-war with, like, the crocodile. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:39 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 57:39 It's, like, insane. Have you seen that?

Joe Rogan 57:41 I've seen that. Yeah, I have seen that.

Raanan Hershberg 57:42 Um, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:43 That's... Crocodiles are the ultimate cleanup crew.

Raanan Hershberg 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 See if you can find that relentless enemies thing, 'cause you shou- you gotta see what these female lions look like.

Narrator 57:51 Mike, oh, yeah, I can show it to us. There, we always get in trouble on the lion stuff.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Right, just show it to us. 'Cause these female lions, they don't even look real. They look like CGI lions. They're-

Raanan Hershberg 57:58 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 57:59 ... super jacked. (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 58:00 So the female lions are normally smaller, but they are-

Joe Rogan 58:03 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 58:03 ... the hunter.

Joe Rogan 58:03 They're the hunters. But this, uh, this documentary Relentless Enemies, see if you can find one of the images of the jacked... Look at, look at what she's built like.

Raanan Hershberg 58:10 Geez.

Joe Rogan 58:11 She's built like a male.

Raanan Hershberg 58:12 That's insane, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:13 She's fucking huge.

Raanan Hershberg 58:14 Those arms are huge, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Huge.

Raanan Hershberg 58:16 Because they-

Joe Rogan 58:16 Like, they have to take out water buffalos.

Raanan Hershberg 58:17 She's like a female bodybuilder.

Joe Rogan 58:19 It's a great documentary, though. It's, because it's just about nature adapting.

Raanan Hershberg 58:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Look at the size of her.

Raanan Hershberg 58:25 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 58:26 They're so much bigger.

Raanan Hershberg 58:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:28 And, you know, they have to be, because these fucking things are ruthless. I mean, water buffalo are huge.

Raanan Hershberg 58:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:33 And they're tough as shit. You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it.

Raanan Hershberg 58:37 Yeah. They always have, like, bugs on them and they don't notice, like, you know?

Joe Rogan 58:42 Fucking shit life.

Raanan Hershberg 58:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:44 (laughs)

Raanan Hershberg 58:44 Have you done the sa- have you done the safari?

Joe Rogan 58:45 No.

Raanan Hershberg 58:46 My, my buddy, McCabe, uh, Dan McCabe, my friend, uh, he did it and he sent me a footage of a lion, like, killing a, like, a prey. It was pretty-

Joe Rogan 58:53 Right in front of him?

Raanan Hershberg 58:54 Yeah, he just filmed it. Yeah, it was...

Joe Rogan 58:55 And they're in those open Jeeps?

Raanan Hershberg 58:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:57 What's that about?

Raanan Hershberg 58:59 It's insane. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 What's-

Raanan Hershberg 59:00 Lock that shit up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:00 What is that about? They just haven't, haven't figured out yet that they can get you?

Raanan Hershberg 59:04 People love... It's like the zoo. They love to have it all open. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah.

Raanan Hershberg 59:07 They love to just, like, you know, push it as far as they can.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Bro, I wanna be in an Iron Man suit with a chain mail gun.

Raanan Hershberg 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 One of those chain guns. (machine gun firing) I don't, I do not want to be-

Raanan Hershberg 59:17 I like how you said Iron Man suit, like it's a real thing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:19 Yeah. If I had one, I would wear... It's like s-

Narrator 59:21 Oh, there it goes again.

Raanan Hershberg 59:32 Oh, there it goes again?

Narrator 59:40 It's the hottest day of the year. We're gonna have that problem with the AC being overpowered. But yeah, I mean, I'll turn everything back on. I-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Is today the hottest day of the year?

Narrator 59:47 So far, yeah, it's gonna be 107.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Oh, God. Um...

Narrator 59:50 Oh, yeah, I mean, we're still recording.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Really?

Narrator 59:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:52 The cameras shut off and on, too, though. The-

Narrator 59:55 I don't, I don't know what to tell you. I, th- everything's-

Joe Rogan 59:56 The screen's still on, camera's are still on.

Raanan Hershberg 59:58 Okay.

Narrator 59:59 Bed's still moving, time's still going.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 How hot is it today?

Narrator 1:00:02 106.

1:00:03 ... nine, seven.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 God, didn't feel like it.

Raanan Hershberg 1:00:05 The, uh ... You ever be at a, at, at a club where the lights go?

Narrator 1:00:08 Oh. I don't (laughs) know what to do. Uh, we might wanna stop for, like, five minutes to make sure this doesn't keep happening while we have the opportunity, before it fucks up more. I