Joe Rogan Experience #2197 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. MBMike Baker0:11

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Well, all right, we're up, Mr. Baker. How are you, sir? Good to see you.

   5. MBMike Baker0:15

      Really? That's it? We're just jumping right in?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah.

   7. MBMike Baker0:17

      Oh my God, I just sat down.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Well, there's so many things to talk about.

   9. MBMike Baker0:21

      Is there? Something... Anything happen?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       A few things happened since I last saw you.

   11. MBMike Baker0:24

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       One guy got shot.

   13. MBMike Baker0:26

       Yeah, some guy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       And, uh, the guy who shot him, it just, his body vanished.

   15. MBMike Baker0:31

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       No t- no poli- (laughs)

   17. MBMike Baker0:32

       Now, now did he get shot? Because I, I've, I've, I've seen a lot of people talk about this like, "No, he didn't get shot."

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       That's hilarious.

   19. MBMike Baker0:38

       Oh my God.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Like do you think that he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?

   21. MBMike Baker0:41

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       "I got shot."

   23. MBMike Baker0:42

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Like it's all fake. The guy behind him who got murdered, that wasn't real?

   25. MBMike Baker0:44

       I saw... Exce- that w- again, you know, you would think that would be a clue, but I've, I've seen people who would say, "No, he didn't have any blood on him. And then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough."

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       (laughs)

   27. MBMike Baker0:53

       And I'm thinking, "Are you fucking psycho?"

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       They are psycho.

   29. MBMike Baker0:56

       Yeah, but, you know, but then, you know, to be fair then... Well, no, that can't be fair. How can you be fair about that?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       There's no fair.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, she had that…

   1. MBMike Baker15:00

      and, and, uh, you know-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Well, she had that one speech where she really fucking nailed it. When she was talking about Trump, and this is after Trump even got shot, when she didn't even address the fact that we have to be more tolerant and, y- you know-

   3. MBMike Baker15:10

      You mean that teleprompter speech.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah. That teleprompter speech, she fucking nailed it.

   5. MBMike Baker15:13

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      She nailed it. But when you get her off teleprompter, she's fucked.

   7. MBMike Baker15:18

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      She's fucked.

   9. MBMike Baker15:19

      Well, I, I don't know this, and this is sheer speculation on my part, but I would be suspicious-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       I love your speculation.

   11. MBMike Baker15:25

       (laughs) I, I know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       (laughs)

   13. MBMike Baker15:29

       (laughs) As opposed to all the other times that I'm not speculating.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       I don't need facts.

   15. MBMike Baker15:33

       Um, yeah. Uh, but there's a chance maybe that they will know the questions for tomorrow night's interview ahead of time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Oh, come on.

   17. MBMike Baker15:40

       I know. I know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Do you think CNN would do that?

   19. MBMike Baker15:43

       Mm... You're right. I, I take it back because I'm sure it will be a series of hard-hitting questions, and they won't let her get away with anything, and, uh, it's all gonna work out fine. Look, all she's got to do is beat the Biden debate bar, and people are gonna say, "Yeah, she nailed it."

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Yeah. Well, they're supposed to have a debate, right, on ABC.

   21. MBMike Baker16:02

       September 10th.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Which is gonna be interesting.

   23. MBMike Baker16:03

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       And isn't the woman who moderates it a part of the Biden-Harris Administration?

   25. MBMike Baker16:10

       Oh, my God. I didn't know that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Who i- who is the woman... W- she has some sort of a connection to the Biden-Harris Administration? The woman who is... Find that out, Jamie. The woman who's moderating the ABC debate.

   27. MBMike Baker16:21

       Is it Joe Biden?

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       (laughs) You did great, Joe!

   29. MBMike Baker16:25

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       You answered all the questions!
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. MBMike Baker30:00

      so, yeah, I mean, that could be, that could be it, but again, the bottom line is (laughs) the, the whole process, command and control, resource deployment, communications process, all of it just completely fucked up on that, on that day. And usually, when you have a problem with that magnitude with security, it's never just one thing. It's a series of things that compound.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker30:22

      And, you know... But then, you know, the Acting Director Rowe, you know, he goes up there and, you know, earl- it's, it was a few weeks back now, but when he first showed up to say, "I'm the acting director and I'm going up to Capitol Hill and answer your questions," which he didn't really do, um, you know, they were talking about, "Well, it's, it's al- it's almost impossible to, to get all the elements talking on the same frequency," right? The local police are talking on their frequency, Secret Service talking on their frequency, counter-sniper teams, maybe they're operating on a different channel. You know, you, you can't combine those. Well, of course you can.I- I- I- I'm just telling you for a fact (laughs) that you can ... There are capabilities (laughs) uh, out there and available to allow you to get everybody talking on the same sheet of music at an event like that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:07

      Of course.

   5. MBMike Baker31:08

      And ... Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:08

      To say otherwise is nonsense.

   7. MBMike Baker31:10

      Yeah, yeah. And it's- and it's also, yeah, it defies logic, but it also ... And that- I think that was the thing about this, is why people were so shocked, is because you didn't have to- to be a security expert to look at this thing in real time.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      Well, how about the sloped roof thing?

   9. MBMike Baker31:26

      Yeah. Oh, God. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       "We couldn't get agents up there because the roof was sloped."

   11. MBMike Baker31:31

       (laughs) Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       "And it could be dangerous." And it sloped by five degrees.

   13. MBMike Baker31:34

       Yeah, that was- that was the nail in her coffin when she came out with that bullshit, um ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       It was ... The whole thing was insane because you had snipers on another roof, so what are you talking about?

   15. MBMike Baker31:43

       Yeah. You had- you had, uh, what did they have? Two counter-sniper teams and ... But again, when you go out to a place like that and you walk the grounds and you stand and you survey, right, and you- you fly drones around and you- you get a real sense of what you're talking about. In the early stages of a survey or an assessment like that, um, there are just certain things you look for.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Right.

   17. MBMike Baker32:04

       You know? Okay, there's the stage. There's a tall building (laughs) over there.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       Right. How about the water tower?

   19. MBMike Baker32:08

       Yeah, how about the water tower? Maybe we cover that down too.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       Yeah.

   21. MBMike Baker32:11

       And, uh ... But, and- and, you know, and I think the transparency that we have on this right now is pretty much thanks to the local law enforcement. I mean, that's where we've gotten most of our information, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:22

       Right.

   23. MBMike Baker32:22

       They've shared body cam images, they've shared, uh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Yeah.

   25. MBMike Baker32:25

       ... radio, uh, conversations. And I think in part they're doing it because they're so pissed off, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       Yeah, well, they-

   27. MBMike Baker32:30

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Their conversations were about how they saw this guy in advance and they alerted people. He was walking around with a fucking range finder.

   29. MBMike Baker32:36

       (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       That's it.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Fear Factor after September 11th, and everybody was so nice. They were so ... And firemen were treated like fucking heroes.

   2. MBMike Baker45:07

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Firemen got laid more than any other time. (laughs)

   4. MBMike Baker45:11

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      I mean, everybody wanted to bag a fireman.

   6. MBMike Baker45:13

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      They wanted to help those guys out, and-

   8. MBMike Baker45:14

      Yeah, I grew a mustache and pretended I was a fireman for a while. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      All the first responders, cops, EMT guys, they all got mad respect.

   10. MBMike Baker45:21

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       And everybody was a lot more peaceful and civil. And in No- ... Los Angeles, it was palpable. You had ph- ... American flags on everyone's car.

   12. MBMike Baker45:29

       Yep, yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       It was, it was kinda cool.

   14. MBMike Baker45:32

       And then you had the same with the, with the military, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Yeah.

   16. MBMike Baker45:34

       I mean, shortly after, and then we went into Tora Bora, and then, and then that, that whole thing kicked off. And ... But there was a period of time, you're, you're, you're right. And usually, not that you want something like that to happen, um, I mean, look at the, look at the pandemic. I mean, the pandemic brought people together for a while. People were so nice to you. Uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Uh-

   18. MBMike Baker45:50

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       In the beginning, every- ... I thought it was gonna be like 9/11-

   20. MBMike Baker45:53

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       ... where everyone's gonna realize, "Hey, we're all together in this. Let's help each other out. Let's get through this."

   22. MBMike Baker45:57

       Yeah, that didn't last.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       No. Well, it-

   24. MBMike Baker45:59

       No, no.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       P- ... The thing that didn't last is in spite of all the evidence that it's not as bad as everybody's saying it is, everybody wanted to say, "It's killing everybody."

   26. MBMike Baker46:09

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Like, did you see Kamala Harris' speech-

   28. MBMike Baker46:10

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       ... where she said 220 million-

   30. MBMike Baker46:12

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:16

   And you can't fucking…

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      And you can't fucking do that if you care about America. If you really are a patriot, you can't do that.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:06

      We had a moment in time with the pandemic where, obviously, you had to make some adjustments to the way that people could vote, right? To, to accommodate the fact that you had a once-in-a-generation hopefully pandemic. And then I'm sure we're gonna have another one, goddammit. The WHO has declared a global health crisis for Africa for monkeypox.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      They've released that. They stopped.

   5. MBMike Baker1:00:27

      They stopped it?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Yeah.

   7. MBMike Baker1:00:28

      Okay, okay. Good.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

      Let's try because I think-

   9. MBMike Baker1:00:30

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       ... let's look at that because I think that's also because of pushback. 'Cause people are like, "What... First of all, what are you talking about?"

   11. MBMike Baker1:00:35

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       "Uh, who's getting this?"

   13. MBMike Baker1:00:37

       Yeah, yeah. Um, well, it's, uh (laughs) ... They... I, I think they even pushed back on the f- on the f- on the f- on the, the name monkeypox. So I don't know-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       It's Mpox.

   15. MBMike Baker1:00:46

       Mpox.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Yeah.

   17. MBMike Baker1:00:47

       Mpox, okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       'Cause it's offensive to monkeys.

   19. MBMike Baker1:00:49

       Okay, Mpox.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       To blame them for this.

   21. MBMike Baker1:00:51

       So, yeah. So-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Well, it was a primarily, uh, an issue with the gay community in the beginning. So, in the beginning when they tried to call it a national health, uh, emergency, they tried to do this a couple of years ago. In the middle of COVID when people were starting to be a little bit more active-

   23. MBMike Baker1:01:06

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       ... and less worried about COVID, they tried to push this monkeypox thing.

   25. MBMike Baker1:01:09

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       But it's only four people died from it.

   27. MBMike Baker1:01:11

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       And it was, uh, primarily spread sexually.

   29. MBMike Baker1:01:16

       Yeah, and they have a... They did say that the, the most recent, which was just, you know, within the past couple of weeks, I believe, um, alert, uh, or crisis alert for the entire, uh, continent of Africa was, was, uh... Because it was more, uh, virulent. It was more, it was more, uh, aggressive.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       I think they're saying it's spread airborne now.

Episode duration: 2:44:32