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Trump rally shooting: conspiracy denial and the loss of objective discourse
- NANarrator
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- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, all right, we're up, Mr. Baker. How are you, sir? Good to see you.
- MBMike Baker
Really? That's it? We're just jumping right in?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
Oh my God, I just sat down.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's so many things to talk about.
- MBMike Baker
Is there? Something... Anything happen?
- JRJoe Rogan
A few things happened since I last saw you.
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
One guy got shot.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, some guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, the guy who shot him, it just, his body vanished.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
No t- no poli- (laughs)
- MBMike Baker
Now, now did he get shot? Because I, I've, I've, I've seen a lot of people talk about this like, "No, he didn't get shot."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's hilarious.
- MBMike Baker
Oh my God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like do you think that he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I got shot."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like it's all fake. The guy behind him who got murdered, that wasn't real?
- MBMike Baker
I saw... Exce- that w- again, you know, you would think that would be a clue, but I've, I've seen people who would say, "No, he didn't have any blood on him. And then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- MBMike Baker
And I'm thinking, "Are you fucking psycho?"
- JRJoe Rogan
They are psycho.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, but, you know, but then, you know, to be fair then... Well, no, that can't be fair. How can you be fair about that?
- JRJoe Rogan
There's no fair.
- 2:59 – 4:55
Civility whiplash after the shooting and Trump’s instinct for nicknames
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Yeah, I, what, that, yeah, I, I think with the Trump thing though, I was surprised at how... 'Cause it was, it was about a day and a half maybe, maybe, maybe it was 36 hours of, "Oh fuck, how could this happen? Look, look what we created."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
"This environment."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
"We have to be more civil with each other."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
And that was a big push from the Democrats, right? You remember Biden and, and, and, and, uh, and Harris talking about, "We've got to be more civil. We've got to dial it back and turn, turn down the temperature." And that lasted, for that, for that side, that lasted almost no time at all. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Less than two days.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they were back talk- calling him a piece of shit and a liar. (laughs)
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, and a, and a, you know, a threat to democracy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
... and he's got to be stopped.
- JRJoe Rogan
Unbelievable.
- MBMike Baker
And, you know, now, now to be fair, n- you know, neither side really stuck to the idea. I would argue if Trump, if Trump had, had just said, "You know what? From a strategic point of view, maybe it's not me, maybe it's not what I want to do, but from a strategic point of view," if after that attempt had happened and he had just walked that civil line and said, "You know, I've had a reflective moment." And, and if he had kept the high road, think about the disparity there. Because the Democrats, they would have lost, first of all, they would have gone crazy because they wouldn't have known what to do. But they also wouldn't have been able to help themselves. So they would have turned into, you know, they would have thrown the hand grenades again and as usual. And then you would have had Trump over here being the reasonable one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
And being the reflective and civil one.
- JRJoe Rogan
That would have been a good strategy.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, but it didn't happen. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No, it's not in his nature.
- MBMike Baker
No, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the scorpion and the frog. (laughs)
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. I forgot about that story. That's right. The scorpion needs to ride across the pond.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly. It's the, it's the same thing.
- MBMike Baker
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, that guy loves to talk shit. He's calling Tim Walz tampon Tim now.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) That guy is so good at it. It's such a good nickname. He's so good at it. He's so good at that shit. Oh my God.
- 4:55 – 9:40
Tim Walz’s résumé disputes: Guard service, rank, deployments, and “weapons of war” rhetoric
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you, what do you think about Walz's, um, descriptions of his military career? Because there's, there's some issues there.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That people have. Um, I don't know if he flat out ever said that he served in Afghanistan, but he certainly didn't dissuade people-
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... from saying that he was de- when they were saying he didn't correct them.
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
There was things-
- MBMike Baker
He didn't and he didn't. And you can look at, at interviews and, and there's no pushback. There's no like, "Excuse me, you know, I didn't go to Iraq." Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- MBMike Baker
Um, and, uh, "I retired, you know, as my unit was deploying." Um, and so-
- JRJoe Rogan
"Well, he retired a couple months before his unit deployed, right?"
- MBMike Baker
"Couple months before." Yes, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
What is the whole story behind it?
- MBMike Baker
But those guys know, they, they know that they're going, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
It's not like, it's not like they suddenly get a paper, you know, on one day. There's, there's a build up to that and they're aware of it. And so, uh, you know, even as, even as personnel were saying, "Look, we all knew we were going." He knew he was going. Now, okay, fine, he made the decision, right? But I think...... with his, his, uh, what do you want to call it? Padding of his resume, for political purposes, obviously, when he was running for, for Congress.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's more than one thing too, right?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He said he was a head coach.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, he was a head coach, he was-
- JRJoe Rogan
He was not a head coach, he was an assistant coach, which is an honorable thing. There's nothing wrong with being an assistant coach.
- MBMike Baker
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
And he also inflated his, his actual rank, right? He was slated to achieve a certain rank.
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And what, how did it go?
- MBMike Baker
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, he had to commit the, to the fact that he wasn't going to retire in order to achieve his rank? Is that what it was?
- MBMike Baker
He didn't finish the, essentially the, the program, the coursework, you know, for, um, a, um, command sergeant major.
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you-
- MBMike Baker
So-
- 9:40 – 20:34
Biden’s decline, the ‘who’s in charge’ question, and why Harris avoids solo interviews
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? Well, he's also seen Joe Biden get away with it, right?
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Joe Biden has gotten away with lying about his record, lying about his accomplishments, lie- uh, from the beginning-
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... back when he was running for Senate.
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, you've, I'm sure you've seen that old video where he confronts the guy and tells him he's got a higher IQ than him, and how he graduated at the top of his class.
- MBMike Baker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And... All lies.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah, no, abs- absolutely. And, and you're right. He's gotten away (laughs) with it, just like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
... you know, apparently the plagiarism and, and other issues, and, and certainly now the mental decline. He's still president, I guess, uh, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
I guess.
- MBMike Baker
... he's, he's kind of passed.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's kind of not. He's kind of quit.
- MBMike Baker
Who is in charge? That's the question I think a lot of people are wondering.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Kamala's on tour, so, uh, she- (laughs)
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... she can't be doing... She's out there doing concerts.
- MBMike Baker
Oh, she's going to do an interview tomorrow night.
- JRJoe Rogan
With Tim, though.
- MBMike Baker
With Tim, with Tim, because she's a strong woman, so she wants a strong man by her side.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, she does not-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... want to be alone out there.
- MBMike Baker
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is wild. You have to be alone. Who the fuck-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... has ever done an interview, the only interview since they have been-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 20:34 – 24:45
Media incentives, deceptive clips, foreign influence, and the Telegram CEO arrest
- JRJoe Rogan
I really do because there were some people that posted a deceptive, uh, video, deceptively edited video that made it look like Tim, you know he has a son that is-
- MBMike Baker
Yes, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... has some disabilities. And it looked like he was yanking his son, like, mea- in a mean way.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he was really just trying to get his son to not hit his head on the teleprompter.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause the teleprompter's this clear thing, the kid's walking towards it, and he just gives him a pull this way, like, "Let's go this way." And they just took that clip, like, "Oh, I bet he's mean. Look, he's mean-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to his boy." It's creepy.
- MBMike Baker
It's, it's, the level of disinformation and misinformation right now leading up to November is astounding.
- JRJoe Rogan
Astounding.
- MBMike Baker
Right? And it's becoming more and more difficult 'cause o- you know, generative AI and, and just a willingness to, to kind of disappear down a rabbit hole and believe whatever you, you wanna believe, right? Nobody's questioning all this shit. So, but it is, whether it's coming from, uh, outside influence and, you know, we know the Iranians are very active right now. The, obviously, the Russians and Chinese are always interested in s- screwing us up. So, but, you know, uh, people, if they don't do it themselves, you know, it's not as if, you know, this idea that the government is going to, you know, tell you what's good and what's not to read is amazing, right? They just arrested the Telegram CEO over in Europe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
- MBMike Baker
Right? Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I was gonna ask you about that too.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it seems like they wanted access to Telegram's messages because there were certain people that were posting things that had been a part of, uh, there was a, a terrorist attack in Russia-
- MBMike Baker
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that they tried to get him to give up information about, but then they, they-
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... gave up on that-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they left him alone. But now in France they've arrested him.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, they picked him up, um, uh, three days ago, I think, four days ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
And unfortunately, he's got this social media girlfriend who posts pictures-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... everywhere she goes-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... so they could fucking find him everywhere.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 24:45 – 31:24
Secret Service failures at Butler: site surveys, comms, and crisis communications
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it normal for there to be an assassination attempt and then no press conference?
- MBMike Baker
Um, it is... B- because we don't have assassination attempts every week, it's kind of hard to say that it- is it normal to do this.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, but if it's a major-
- MBMike Baker
But-
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, world event-
- MBMike Baker
Right. Right. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
... generally, don't they have press conferences?
- MBMike Baker
Yes. And it was... (clears throat) Look, the whole thing, the, the protocols that weren't followed, the process, the, the, the fact that it was a cock-up of monumental proportions, uh, leading up to, uh, Thomas Crooks taking those shots, um, and then the afterwards, right? Then the way that they handled it was another series of in- it, it... Still, to this day, this series of mistakes that there is no justification for it. You can't... Look, doing security at a, uh, an event, like, uh, the Butler rally, uh, back in July with, uh... where Trump was shot. Um, right now, there's people out there going, "I don't think he was shot."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- MBMike Baker
Uh, I'm pretty sure he wasn't (laughs) . Um, so I think, uh, that's... It's not rocket science, right? It's, it's very, uh, labor-intensive and detail-oriented. But it's not... You're not building a spaceship, right? You're, you're going through the same process that you go through every time you have one of these events, right? And so you have a political rally like that, and it's not a national security event. So it's not the DNC, it's not the RNC, it's not the Super Bowl, uh, it's not the Olympics. That- those are national security events. You have a year-plus to plan and prepare, get all your resources together, and figure out your, your game plan, your site surveys, all the rest of it. You still have time. With these political events, don't have a year, but you've got sufficient time. And they do it over and over again. And it's not tough. So you do a site survey and, and you say, "Okay, he's going to show up at Butler. Let's get out there." And the Secret Service has primacy. Uh, they work with local, state resources if they need to heavy up the security and they don't have the available resources. But they have the primacy, so they go out and the site survey, that whole process, the risk threat assessment in the survey, is where you identify your timelines and your resources and your deployment of resources and all the various things. Your command and control center, your communications protocols, all those things. But it's over and over and over again. It's a meth- uh, uh, uh, there's a methodology to it. And the Secret Service, you know, they, they do this all the time. So it does lead you to wonder how many more events in the past have they been, you know, not buttoned up and they just got lucky because there wasn't a shooter? But there's no way to excuse what happened, uh, because it was such a breakdown of, of events. And, and then afterwards, in the hot washing in the, in the briefings that they did provide, then going up on Capitol Hill and Kimberly Cheatle, the now departed, uh, director, um, it was a, a classic lesson in how not to do crisis communications.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- MBMike Baker
And she should have been, the director who's now gone, she should have been out on the, on the rally, uh, grounds that afternoon, that evening, sorry, and with a team and with the agent in charge. And it should have been very clear to, uh, the press all around that they were, uh, out there doing the investigation, assessing what had happened, and people would be responsible and they would ta- But it... None of that happened. It was just a fucking goat rope. So, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's because it's Trump.
- MBMike Baker
(sighs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If it was anybody else-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like if that had happened, if there was an assassination attempt about Biden-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
It would have been crazy. If Biden got winged in the ear the same way and they took him out in the whole deal and, you know, they, they shoot the guy and there's an investigation, it would have been on the news constantly.
- MBMike Baker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Constantly for weeks and weeks. It would have been-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... lead story every night, more information in the assassination attempt on President Biden.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Day 22.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It would have been the same thing.
- MBMike Baker
Uh, yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right-wing, far-right activist, registered Republican-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 31:24 – 33:36
Operational red flags: sloped-roof excuse, range finder, drones, and finger-pointing
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, how about the sloped roof thing?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Oh, God. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"We couldn't get agents up there because the roof was sloped."
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"And it could be dangerous." And it sloped by five degrees.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, that was- that was the nail in her coffin when she came out with that bullshit, um ...
- JRJoe Rogan
It was ... The whole thing was insane because you had snipers on another roof, so what are you talking about?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. You had- you had, uh, what did they have? Two counter-sniper teams and ... But again, when you go out to a place like that and you walk the grounds and you stand and you survey, right, and you- you fly drones around and you- you get a real sense of what you're talking about. In the early stages of a survey or an assessment like that, um, there are just certain things you look for.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
You know? Okay, there's the stage. There's a tall building (laughs) over there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. How about the water tower?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, how about the water tower? Maybe we cover that down too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
And, uh ... But, and- and, you know, and I think the transparency that we have on this right now is pretty much thanks to the local law enforcement. I mean, that's where we've gotten most of our information, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
They've shared body cam images, they've shared, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
... radio, uh, conversations. And I think in part they're doing it because they're so pissed off, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, well, they-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Their conversations were about how they saw this guy in advance and they alerted people. He was walking around with a fucking range finder.
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it.
- MBMike Baker
... that's a clue? That's a- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You walk around with a range finder, they should just arrest you.
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Yeah. It's ... It is- it is- it's shocking. And then, he was there a couple of hours ahead of time flying a drone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Insane.
- MBMike Baker
Um, yeah. And, uh ... But I think that the Secret Service, their go-to in the immediate aftermath was to point fingers at the local law enforcement and so, I think local law enforcement was like, "Fuck you."
- JRJoe Rogan
"Fuck you."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 33:36 – 39:31
CNN, objectivity as a business model, and the collapse of trust in legacy news
- JRJoe Rogan
Here's one. Was there ... Is it normal for CNN to live stream a Trump press event or a Trump campaign event?
- MBMike Baker
They normally ... I mean, if they- if they show it, they normally jump out of it after the first 10 seconds or so.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Oh, he's lying again."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We've counted five lies." But I do have to say this, and I say this as a credit to CNN, it seems like they have made a concerted effort to be more balanced. And I think this is in the aftermath of firing Don Lemon-
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and Brian Stelter and all those people over there that people were frustrated with. I think they have made a concerted effort. Like, there was a gentleman-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who was on, who was talking about, um, that everyone's blaming Trump for things, but that the Democrats have been in control of the White House for 12 of the last 16 years. And when he said that, it was like, "Whoa."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That- that was a big moment, and no one had an answer to that. There- they were like, "Yeah, but, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah-"
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... they have to ... The undermining that Trump has done to our dem- democracy and the threats and ..."
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What did he say? He's gonna be a dictator. He said he's gonna be a dictator.
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) On day one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit, man.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's joking around about closing the border.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that's ... He's not gonna listen to anybody, he's just gonna close the border.
- MBMike Baker
12 of the last 16 years and you know what? Kamala Harris, if she wins, she's gonna fix the problems. (laughs) She-
- JRJoe Rogan
She's in right now.
- MBMike Baker
I know. I know. That's ... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is so crazy.
- MBMike Baker
Another part of the whole e- equation that I'm sure they won't get asked tomorrow night.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
You ... When you talk about fixing the problems and- and making America ... What have you been doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe they will-
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 39:31 – 41:02
Money in politics: fundraising totals, alleged donor fraud, term limits, and insider trading
- MBMike Baker
You see they made... They, they've raked in, uh... The Democrats have raked in something like half a billion dollars.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nuts.
- MBMike Baker
In... Yeah. And they'll probably spend it all too.
- JRJoe Rogan
But have you seen the Project Veritas, uh, deep dive into that? Where they in-
- MBMike Baker
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they go to people's houses and they ask them, "Did you donate $150,000?" 'Cause he's registered donors.
- MBMike Baker
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's like, "Goodness, no."
- MBMike Baker
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, "I didn't d- donate any of that money."
- MBMike Baker
$150,000?
- JRJoe Rogan
So there's all these donations that at least Project Veritas is claiming-
- MBMike Baker
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and these people are claiming were not theirs. And this is... That they're throwing money into this pot and they're attributing it to all these people that probably don't even know-
- MBMike Baker
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's being attributed to them. I think that's what they're alluding to.
- MBMike Baker
If they, if, if, if they can s-... I mean, if this... The cost of this campaign is, uh, you know, uh, is gonna be north of a billion you have to assume.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so crazy.
- MBMike Baker
And you think about... Yeah. I- i- i- if there was a way to take (laughs) ... If there was a way to take money out of it, if there was a way to take the term l-... Or enact term limits, and there was a way to have a, a meaningful third and fourth party, completely change the landscape here-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
... I, I would think. And I think for the better. I don't think there's any... I mean, in my mind, I, I, I don't think I can be persuaded otherwise, but I- I just don't see that happening. Who's gonna vote against their own best interests, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
You look at the, at the money that these politicians can make, and they can walk out the door multi-millionaires on salaries where that doesn't make any sense. Oh, that's the other thing you need to get out of there is insider trading.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
Um, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think it's important that we all p- p- p- participate. It's a free market.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, gotta go. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 41:02 – 54:13
Family detour: marriage jokes, kids ‘testing’ dad, and IMG Academy stats
- MBMike Baker
Gotta go. Oh, you know what? You know what, what?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- MBMike Baker
My wife is, is so damn smart. A lot... Hell of a lot smarter than I am.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's very smart.
- MBMike Baker
She's, she is very smart.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's kind of spooky smart.
- MBMike Baker
I know, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
You talk to her, you're like, "Yo."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"This lady's operating on a very high frequency."
- MBMike Baker
I know, which makes you wonder how did... (laughs) Why is she still with me? Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what they like in a nice dumb guy.
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Like a dumb guy, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
You know, I'm good at picking things up and putting them down.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's all they need.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, I can fetch things. Um, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
They need you to open up mayonnaise jars. (laughs)
- MBMike Baker
(laughs) Look at this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hand Mike the pickles.
- MBMike Baker
Uh, every now and then I walk over there and I just show her-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
... just so she knows what I'm around here for.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's right.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I can fucking open shit."
- MBMike Baker
God damn it. My... I, I, I will say this. The other thing about this is, uh, um... Like, all three of my boys. Like, like, I just... I just got in from, uh, from Florida this morning. And I was dropping, uh, our middle boy, um, back at IMG, right? He plays basketball down there. And he's constantly... And the older one, even the youngest one, they're constantly just hitting me. They're beating on me, right? Every time they walk by.
- JRJoe Rogan
Boy stuff.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, they can't walk by me without hitting me, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 54:13 – 1:03:19
Election mechanics: voter ID, Texas roll cleanup, and ‘opportunity for fraud’ logic
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Pennsylvania's already saying they're not gonna be able to do it on Election Night.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. What the fuck?
- JRJoe Rogan
They used to.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What'd you guys do?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We used to.
- MBMike Baker
Remember? You'd go to bed...
- JRJoe Rogan
What happened...
- MBMike Baker
... and you knew.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MBMike Baker
You knew when you went to bed if you stayed up late. Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
But not only that, there's no pandemic. So why do we have all these mail-in ballots?
- MBMike Baker
Hm. Well, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That seems kinda silly.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what else seems silly? And I, I, (laughs) I don't consider this to be voter suppression. Have a fucking ID to show that you're a US citizen, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's racist.
- MBMike Baker
I, I, I know, I know. I apologize. But, but I do think it, it makes sense. You go to, you go to...
- JRJoe Rogan
It 100% makes sense.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. I couldn't vote in another country.
- JRJoe Rogan
You should not be able...
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to vote here without an ID.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just like you can't dr- get a driver's license. You have to have your fucking birth certificate. You have to, like... We have paperwork.
- MBMike Baker
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's there for a reason, because people are full of shit. There's a lot of fraudsters out there. And if there's a way to mitigate fraud in the most important thing that we do...
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- 1:03:19 – 1:14:18
Narratives that destabilize democracy: ‘stolen elections,’ platform pressure, and Zuckerberg’s reversal
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm just scared because of the rhetoric.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I- and I'm not just scared because I want one side to win. I'm scared because I think that by overzealously wanting their side to win and doing it so in a way that really isn't fair-
- MBMike Baker
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that you set up a precedent where anybody can do that in the future and they think they're justified in doing that, and I feel like there's a lot of people that think 2020 was stolen.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And Trump has said it over and over again. But by the way, Hillary said it in 2016-
- MBMike Baker
She- yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... over and over again.
- MBMike Baker
W- w- well, she- she f- f- for several years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they said Russia.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ru- and then, you know, there's always people saying he's a- a Russian plant, Russia put him into power, Russian disinformation is why he got-
- MBMike Baker
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And meanwhile, you know, they were actively doing disinformation on- on their own, especially with the Biden laptop thing.
- MBMike Baker
Oh, God. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The fact that with Zuckerberg coming out and saying that thing yesterday was fucking huge.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was huge, and releasing that statement, 'cause Mayorkas, didn't he- when he was testifying, he said they didn't do that under oath.
- MBMike Baker
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So is that perjury?
- MBMike Baker
Yeah, well, I, you know, not being a lawyer, um, but I wo- (laughs) I would think that you had- you had conflicting things because you would also have, um, you would also have someone in government, you know, almost bragging about the fact that, you know, "Look, we're getting this disinformation taken down during the pandemic."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MBMike Baker
And so, yeah, Zuckerberg coming out and making this statement, I agree with you, it is huge. It's sort of Zuckerberg going, "Eh, what are you gonna do? We're gonna do better next time." You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
"Well," he said, "we're not gonna engage in that anymore."
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We're gonna push back." And he said they're not gonna promote one side or the other.
- MBMike Baker
There's a brilliant thought, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy.
- MBMike Baker
Yeah.
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