Joe Rogan Experience #2197 - Mike Baker

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Mike Baker 0:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:12 Well, all right, we're up, Mr. Baker. How are you, sir? Good to see you.

Mike Baker 0:15 Really? That's it? We're just jumping right in?

Joe Rogan 0:17 Yeah.

Mike Baker 0:17 Oh my God, I just sat down.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Well, there's so many things to talk about.

Mike Baker 0:21 Is there? Something... Anything happen?

Joe Rogan 0:23 A few things happened since I last saw you.

Mike Baker 0:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:25 One guy got shot.

Mike Baker 0:26 Yeah, some guy.

Joe Rogan 0:27 And, uh, the guy who shot him, it just, his body vanished.

Mike Baker 0:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:31 No t- no poli- (laughs)

Mike Baker 0:32 Now, now did he get shot? Because I, I've, I've, I've seen a lot of people talk about this like, "No, he didn't get shot."

Joe Rogan 0:37 That's hilarious.

Mike Baker 0:38 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Like do you think that he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?

Mike Baker 0:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:41 "I got shot."

Mike Baker 0:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Like it's all fake. The guy behind him who got murdered, that wasn't real?

Mike Baker 0:44 I saw... Exce- that w- again, you know, you would think that would be a clue, but I've, I've seen people who would say, "No, he didn't have any blood on him. And then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough."

Joe Rogan 0:53 (laughs)

Mike Baker 0:53 And I'm thinking, "Are you fucking psycho?"

Joe Rogan 0:55 They are psycho.

Mike Baker 0:56 Yeah, but, you know, but then, you know, to be fair then... Well, no, that can't be fair. How can you be fair about that?

Joe Rogan 1:01 There's no fair.

Mike Baker 1:02 There's no fair.

Joe Rogan 1:02 There's no fair.

Mike Baker 1:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04 We heard gunshots, we saw a guy get shot who was shooting at him. The guy behind him got murdered.

Mike Baker 1:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10 P- uh, a couple other people got injured.

Mike Baker 1:11 Li- life changing injuries.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Yes.

Mike Baker 1:13 Yeah, serious injuries.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Yes, serious injuries.

Mike Baker 1:14 So-

Joe Rogan 1:15 I mean, it 100% happened. To say it didn't happen is insane. And then you had Joy Reid on TV saying, "Well, Biden got over COVID, which is basically the same thing." Hmm. (laughs)

Mike Baker 1:26 Yep. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:26 People are losing their fucking minds.

Mike Baker 1:28 Oh, God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 And they're afraid, everyone's afraid to be objective.

Mike Baker 1:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Because if you're objective, somehow or another, you're helping the other side.

Mike Baker 1:35 Yeah. Oh no, if you, if you even try to walk a line that's somewhere near the middle of anything nowadays-

Joe Rogan 1:41 That's me. (laughs)

Mike Baker 1:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll get-

Joe Rogan 1:43 (laughs)

Mike Baker 1:43 Well there you go then, you'll get your ass kicked. And I, but I, I was telling Emily, I was telling my wife the other day that I consider that a really good thing. Because like, um, oh my God, this is like, I'm two minutes into it and I've already mentioned the podcast, The President's Daily Brief. Look, I'm getting much better at this.

Joe Rogan 1:58 There you go. Good plug.

Mike Baker 1:58 So on the President's Daily Brief, we try to just walk kind of down the middle. We just tell you the news. Here's the top things that are happening. What I find is, I get angry, uh, messages from both sides.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Sure.

Mike Baker 2:10 Because I'm not staking out a position.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Right.

Mike Baker 2:12 Right? I'm just saying, "Here's what's happening." And, you know, for the most part, we try to avoid context or administration, for the most part. Uh, but you're just pissing everybody off.

Joe Rogan 2:20 People want to get mad, first of all, that's the thing.

Mike Baker 2:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23 The, the, like Andrew Huberman was talking about that today. That the things that when they study, like what excites people and what people gravitate towards-

Mike Baker 2:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:33 ... it's 100% like more potent to get angry about things.

Mike Baker 2:37 Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. There's a, there's a, some sort of, there must be some sort of chemical release in being outraged, right? That makes people feel-

Joe Rogan 2:44 I think it's-

Mike Baker 2:45 ... good?

Joe Rogan 2:45 ... it's in our wiring, in our DNA because we always had to look out for threats. So you find things that you, you perceive are threats or things that are g- gonna be a problem and you get angry about them and you do it on social media instead of in the jungle.

Mike Baker 2:59 Yeah. Yeah, I, what, that, yeah, I, I think with the Trump thing though, I was surprised at how... 'Cause it was, it was about a day and a half maybe, maybe, maybe it was 36 hours of, "Oh fuck, how could this happen? Look, look what we created."

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yeah.

Mike Baker 3:15 "This environment."

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yeah.

Mike Baker 3:16 "We have to be more civil with each other."

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah.

Mike Baker 3:18 And that was a big push from the Democrats, right? You remember Biden and, and, and, and, uh, and Harris talking about, "We've got to be more civil. We've got to dial it back and turn, turn down the temperature." And that lasted, for that, for that side, that lasted almost no time at all. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Less than two days.

Mike Baker 3:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:31 And they were back talk- calling him a piece of shit and a liar. (laughs)

Mike Baker 3:34 Yeah, and a, and a, you know, a threat to democracy-

Joe Rogan 3:36 Yeah.

Mike Baker 3:36 ... and he's got to be stopped.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Unbelievable.

Mike Baker 3:38 And, you know, now, now to be fair, n- you know, neither side really stuck to the idea. I would argue if Trump, if Trump had, had just said, "You know what? From a strategic point of view, maybe it's not me, maybe it's not what I want to do, but from a strategic point of view," if after that attempt had happened and he had just walked that civil line and said, "You know, I've had a reflective moment." And, and if he had kept the high road, think about the disparity there. Because the Democrats, they would have lost, first of all, they would have gone crazy because they wouldn't have known what to do. But they also wouldn't have been able to help themselves. So they would have turned into, you know, they would have thrown the hand grenades again and as usual. And then you would have had Trump over here being the reasonable one.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Yeah.

Mike Baker 4:18 And being the reflective and civil one.

Joe Rogan 4:20 That would have been a good strategy.

Mike Baker 4:21 Yeah, but it didn't happen. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:22 No, it's not in his nature.

Mike Baker 4:24 No, no.

Joe Rogan 4:25 That's the scorpion and the frog. (laughs)

Mike Baker 4:26 Yeah. I forgot about that story. That's right. The scorpion needs to ride across the pond.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah.

Mike Baker 4:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Exactly. It's the, it's the same thing.

Mike Baker 4:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:34 I mean, that guy loves to talk shit. He's calling Tim Walz tampon Tim now.

Mike Baker 4:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:40 (laughs) That guy is so good at it. It's such a good nickname. He's so good at it. He's so good at that shit. Oh my God.

Mike Baker 4:47 Tampon Tim.

Joe Rogan 4:48 (laughs)

Mike Baker 4:49 Man, look at, look at what we're getting. We're getting, we're getting Harris and we're getting Walz.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Unbelievable.

Mike Baker 4:54 And...

Joe Rogan 4:55 What do you, what do you think about Walz's, um, descriptions of his military career? Because there's, there's some issues there.

Mike Baker 5:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:04 That people have. Um, I don't know if he flat out ever said that he served in Afghanistan, but he certainly didn't dissuade people-

Mike Baker 5:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:13 ... from saying that he was de- when they were saying he didn't correct them.

Mike Baker 5:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:17 There was things-

Mike Baker 5:18 He didn't and he didn't. And you can look at, at interviews and, and there's no pushback. There's no like, "Excuse me, you know, I didn't go to Iraq." Right?

Joe Rogan 5:25 Exactly.

Mike Baker 5:26 Um, and, uh, "I retired, you know, as my unit was deploying." Um, and so-

Joe Rogan 5:32 "Well, he retired a couple months before his unit deployed, right?"

Mike Baker 5:34 "Couple months before." Yes, but-

Joe Rogan 5:36 What is the whole story behind it?

Mike Baker 5:37 But those guys know, they, they know that they're going, right?

Joe Rogan 5:39 Right.

Mike Baker 5:39 It's not like, it's not like they suddenly get a paper, you know, on one day. There's, there's a build up to that and they're aware of it. And so, uh, you know, even as, even as personnel were saying, "Look, we all knew we were going." He knew he was going. Now, okay, fine, he made the decision, right? But I think...... with his, his, uh, what do you want to call it? Padding of his resume, for political purposes, obviously, when he was running for, for Congress.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Well, there's more than one thing too, right?

Mike Baker 6:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:04 He said he was a head coach.

Mike Baker 6:05 Yeah, he was a head coach, he was-

Joe Rogan 6:07 He was not a head coach, he was an assistant coach, which is an honorable thing. There's nothing wrong with being an assistant coach.

Mike Baker 6:12 Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Um-

Joe Rogan 6:13 And he also inflated his, his actual rank, right? He was slated to achieve a certain rank.

Mike Baker 6:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:20 And what, how did it go?

Mike Baker 6:22 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 6:22 Like, he had to commit the, to the fact that he wasn't going to retire in order to achieve his rank? Is that what it was?

Mike Baker 6:27 He didn't finish the, essentially the, the program, the coursework, you know, for, um, a, um, command sergeant major.

Joe Rogan 6:35 Can you-

Mike Baker 6:35 So-

Joe Rogan 6:35 Can you explain how that works?

Mike Baker 6:36 Well, I mean, he, he had the, he had the rank, right? He was awarded, I think he had gone to... Where did he go? I think he went to Italy, uh, on an assignment. Look, he's, so he's in the National Guard, right?

Joe Rogan 6:46 Right.

Mike Baker 6:46 So, first of all, there was sort of this, "I've served for 24 years." Oh, he's not really saying that. His supporters and the people on the Democratic side are saying, "Well, he served for 24 years." Yes, he did, okay? But it, it's the National Guard, and that doesn't mean... I'm not disrespecting at all anyone who serves in the National Guard. It's a very honorable thing to do. I'm just saying, they're kind of conflating, just like he did with his rank or these other things, the idea that somehow he was, you know, full t-

Joe Rogan 7:08 Over there for 24 years, right.

Mike Baker 7:09 ... full-time, 24 years in the military, um, you know, and he was working as a schoolteacher. As you pointed out, he was working as a coach. Look, the guy could be a gre- You know, who knows? He could be a great guy. I'm just saying that, uh, there were statistics that said upwards of 70-plus percent of people have padded their CVs. So, what he's done isn't unusual, but it's very much, you know, highlighted now. It's like-

Joe Rogan 7:31 70%?

Mike Baker 7:32 Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a, and... Look, I've got a, I've got a service line in the, in the company, Portman Square Group. I am a marketing machine.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Good job.

Mike Baker 7:39 Um... Thank you. And, uh, but we have a due diligence, uh, group that does nothing but, right? Background investigations, due diligence. And so, they spend a lot of time looking at people's CVs or, or, uh, resumes. And it's a shocking number of people. And sometimes it's not, it's not really nefarious. It's just, "Okay, I, I, maybe I misspoke," or, "Maybe I did put something in and I, I just, I, I, I over-egged the pudding a little bit." But then, like, 10 or 15 years down the road, you've kind of ridden on that-

Joe Rogan 8:07 Right.

Mike Baker 8:07 ... for all that time. And we've seen that happen, where people suddenly get called out, right?

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yes.

Mike Baker 8:12 And, and, uh, so, uh, you know, I don't read too much into the fact that he padded his resume. I think it is dis- very disrespectful (laughs) that he didn't push back on the idea that he was overseas deployed in combat, or that he claimed that he retired in a position. He w- you know, I think they gave him, uh, master sergeant title or, uh, rank when he retired, which is just one step below.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Which is still honorable.

Mike Baker 8:36 Very honorable, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:37 And it's nothing to be shameful of.

Mike Baker 8:40 No.

Joe Rogan 8:40 Like, uh, saying that, just stating the actual rank, it doesn't change-

Mike Baker 8:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:44 ... anybody's opinion of him at all.

Mike Baker 8:46 Yeah. So, uh, you know, again-

Joe Rogan 8:47 So it's a, it's a lie that doesn't really elevate you.

Mike Baker 8:51 It do- it doesn't. And when you get called out on it, it just kind of makes you look like a dipshit, right? You know, like, you... And, and that's-

Joe Rogan 8:57 Right.

Mike Baker 8:57 ... something that he's got to deal with now. I, I-

Joe Rogan 9:00 But he did once say, he was talking about assault rifles. What, "assault," air quotes, "assault rifles."

Mike Baker 9:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:05 For the, for the gun nuts out there.

Mike Baker 9:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:07 I get it. I'm on your side. But he said (laughs) ...

Mike Baker 9:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:12 But what he was talking ab-

Mike Baker 9:13 Me too.

Joe Rogan 9:13 I mean, you can kind of assault somebody with a BB gun, right?

Mike Baker 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Uh, but when he was talking about them, he said, uh, that, "Weapons of war that I carried..." Uh, I don't know the exact quote, but he was essentially alluding to the fact...

Mike Baker 9:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Yeah.

Mike Baker 9:29 And again, was it... (sighs) Was, is it... I, I don't understand it. Is it necessary? No. Um, did he feel that it helped in his early days running for political office? Obviously.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Right? Well, he's also seen Joe Biden get away with it, right?

Mike Baker 9:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:44 Joe Biden has gotten away with lying about his record, lying about his accomplishments, lie- uh, from the beginning-

Mike Baker 9:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:52 ... back when he was running for Senate.

Mike Baker 9:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:53 I mean, you've, I'm sure you've seen that old video where he confronts the guy and tells him he's got a higher IQ than him, and how he graduated at the top of his class.

Mike Baker 10:01 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 And... All lies.

Mike Baker 10:02 Yeah, yeah, no, abs- absolutely. And, and you're right. He's gotten away (laughs) with it, just like-

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yeah.

Mike Baker 10:06 ... you know, apparently the plagiarism and, and other issues, and, and certainly now the mental decline. He's still president, I guess, uh, so-

Joe Rogan 10:11 I guess.

Mike Baker 10:11 ... he's, he's kind of passed.

Joe Rogan 10:12 But he's kind of not. He's kind of quit.

Mike Baker 10:14 Who is in charge? That's the question I think a lot of people are wondering.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Well, Kamala's on tour, so, uh, she- (laughs)

Mike Baker 10:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:19 ... she can't be doing... She's out there doing concerts.

Mike Baker 10:22 Oh, she's going to do an interview tomorrow night.

Joe Rogan 10:24 With Tim, though.

Mike Baker 10:25 With Tim, with Tim, because she's a strong woman, so she wants a strong man by her side.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Yeah, she does not-

Mike Baker 10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:30 ... want to be alone out there.

Mike Baker 10:31 No.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Which is wild. You have to be alone. Who the fuck-

Mike Baker 10:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:35 ... has ever done an interview, the only interview since they have been-

Mike Baker 10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:39 ... nominated by their party, right? Since they've been chosen. Who has ever not done an interview for this long?

Mike Baker 10:46 Yeah. And, and, and then they (sighs) I get why, because they get away with it.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Yeah.

Mike Baker 10:51 Look, they've got a very compliant and incurious, uh, media, for the most part, right? And they're just letting it go.

Joe Rogan 10:57 Compliant.

Mike Baker 10:57 Compliant, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:57 But it's more than compliant.

Mike Baker 10:59 I know. I'm trying to, I'm trying to be, be dramatic.

Joe Rogan 11:00 Yeah, you're trying to be nice, but-

Mike Baker 11:01 Yeah, I'm trying to be nice. Yeah, that's why.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Complicit is a better word.

Mike Baker 11:04 Yeah, and, and so, and it's on CNN, and it's taped.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Yeah.

Mike Baker 11:09 It's not even live.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Right.

Mike Baker 11:10 And it's the two of them. And there is no way in hell, uh, maybe I'm going to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's a hard-hitting interview where they ask... I, I tell you what, actually, I, I, what I would love to have them ask first is, "Okay, Vice President," um, I guess you have to say Madam Vice President, uh, "How long were you aware of President Biden's mental decline?"

Joe Rogan 11:36 Yes.

Mike Baker 11:36 "Because right up until the last minute, you were talking about how sharp as a tack he was."

Joe Rogan 11:42 Right.

Mike Baker 11:42 "And how vigorous he was, and how he was, you know, uh, better than, than men half his age." And what I don't understand is how people aren't marching on Washington with pitchforks and torches over the fact that this small group, her and, uh, who else? Anita Dunn, uh, the Chief of Staff over at that White House, Klain, um, the variety of s- uh, uh, that cabal's not that big, of people who had daily contact with President Biden.... and they just lied to the American public for a significantly long time. They just deceived the American public, and nobody seems to give a shit, right?

Joe Rogan 12:20 Well, it's also, why was anyone believing it?

Mike Baker 12:24 Right. Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:24 That's what was crazy. And we were getting shit on left and right during the campaign, where I was like... Wh- wh- why I compared him, I said, "Biden being president is like having a flashlight with a bad battery and going for a long walk in the woods."

Mike Baker 12:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 (laughs)

Mike Baker 12:42 There's no fucking way-

Joe Rogan 12:43 Just keep banging on it and it's not going to make it.

Mike Baker 12:45 ... he's not gonna make it.

Joe Rogan 12:45 Yeah. (laughs) God.

Mike Baker 12:46 And, and people were saying, "No, don't you know he stutters?" And they were saying all these-

Joe Rogan 12:49 Oh.

Mike Baker 12:49 Well, there's no evidence of him stuttering when he was younger.

Joe Rogan 12:52 Yeah.

Mike Baker 12:52 This is crazy. This is-

Joe Rogan 12:53 Yeah. He... Yeah.

Mike Baker 12:53 There's mental decline there. There's nothing wrong with mental decline. We're all gonna experience it someday, kids.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Yeah.

Mike Baker 12:59 But to say that it's not happening just because you don't want the other side to win is bananas. It's really crazy. Yeah. And that's what it was. It was... A- a- any time you called it out, because we all saw it, like you said, it's, we're all heading in that direction. It's probably the one thing we all have in common. And, um, we all know what it looks like. Everyone's got aging parents or aging grandparents.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yes.

Mike Baker 13:18 And so, we knew it intuitively, right? Every time you saw him and he made a slip-up or he faltered or he just kind of r- started staring off into space or he moved the way that he was moving-

Joe Rogan 13:27 Yes.

Mike Baker 13:27 ... like you've seen your grandpa move. Um, we knew it. But if you dared bring it up, you were j- I mean, you were just kicked in the ass, right? As a... And, and suddenly, somehow, you were ageist and you were, you know, hyper-partisan, and you were just... And, and you were MAGA, and you were... All these things.

Joe Rogan 13:45 The epitome of gaslighting.

Mike Baker 13:46 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Gaslighting to the extreme.

Mike Baker 13:47 Absolutely. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 'Cause it was so obvious and in your face. It's like, "No, it's not raining out." Like, "What? It's fucking pouring."

Mike Baker 13:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Like, "What are you talking about?" Full gaslighting right in front of your face.

Mike Baker 13:58 Yeah. And, and so, th- I would love that to be the first, very first question. Can you explain to us at what point in time you actually became aware that he was in significant mental decline? Right? And again, that's... I feel bad for the guy. I feel bad for anybody who's in that position.

Joe Rogan 14:14 Sure.

Mike Baker 14:14 But he's the fucking Commander-in-chief, right? He's the leader of the free world. So, (laughs) I think we have a right to expect more from that, that situation.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Yeah.

Mike Baker 14:22 But I don't think... Th- there's going to be none of those questions.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Well, I think his, his last fuck-you was saying that he wants Harris to take his place.

Mike Baker 14:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:31 That was his last fuck-you. Because from what I understand, they wanted to have a primary, and they wanted to pick their own person, and they didn't want to have Harris.

Mike Baker 14:40 Yeah, she was nobody's idea of, of the best, most competent, most, uh, qualified candidate. Uh, up until they orchestrated this, whatever you want to call it, anointment or a coronation or-

Joe Rogan 14:50 Coup. You just, uh, called it a coup.

Mike Baker 14:52 Coup. Yeah, coup. You can call it a coup.

Joe Rogan 14:52 It seems like a coup.

Mike Baker 14:53 Yeah, yeah. So until that point, she wasn't th- the, the preferred, but now she's fucking Beyonce and Joan of Arc and, and, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 15:00 Well, she had that one speech where she really fucking nailed it. When she was talking about Trump, and this is after Trump even got shot, when she didn't even address the fact that we have to be more tolerant and, y- you know-

Mike Baker 15:10 You mean that teleprompter speech.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah. That teleprompter speech, she fucking nailed it.

Mike Baker 15:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:14 She nailed it. But when you get her off teleprompter, she's fucked.

Mike Baker 15:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:18 She's fucked.

Mike Baker 15:19 Well, I, I don't know this, and this is sheer speculation on my part, but I would be suspicious-

Joe Rogan 15:25 I love your speculation.

Mike Baker 15:25 (laughs) I, I know.

Joe Rogan 15:28 (laughs)

Mike Baker 15:29 (laughs) As opposed to all the other times that I'm not speculating.

Joe Rogan 15:32 I don't need facts.

Mike Baker 15:33 Um, yeah. Uh, but there's a chance maybe that they will know the questions for tomorrow night's interview ahead of time.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Oh, come on.

Mike Baker 15:40 I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Do you think CNN would do that?

Mike Baker 15:43 Mm... You're right. I, I take it back because I'm sure it will be a series of hard-hitting questions, and they won't let her get away with anything, and, uh, it's all gonna work out fine. Look, all she's got to do is beat the Biden debate bar, and people are gonna say, "Yeah, she nailed it."

Joe Rogan 15:59 Yeah. Well, they're supposed to have a debate, right, on ABC.

Mike Baker 16:02 September 10th.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Which is gonna be interesting.

Mike Baker 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 And isn't the woman who moderates it a part of the Biden-Harris Administration?

Mike Baker 16:10 Oh, my God. I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 16:11 Who i- who is the woman... W- she has some sort of a connection to the Biden-Harris Administration? The woman who is... Find that out, Jamie. The woman who's moderating the ABC debate.

Mike Baker 16:21 Is it Joe Biden?

Joe Rogan 16:22 (laughs) You did great, Joe!

Mike Baker 16:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:25 You answered all the questions!

Mike Baker 16:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:28 And what did he do? He lied!

Mike Baker 16:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:33 Poor bastard.

Mike Baker 16:34 God, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 That poor bastard. If that was my dad, I'd be so fucking angry at her.

Mike Baker 16:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:39 I'd be like, "What are you doing to Dad?"

Mike Baker 16:40 They're just dragging him around, right? Up until that moment-

Joe Rogan 16:43 Unbelievable.

Mike Baker 16:43 ... just drag him around and hope that... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Juicing him up with Adderall and having him talk or whatever they're giving him.

Mike Baker 16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 I want to try what he's getting.

Mike Baker 16:50 Good.

Joe Rogan 16:50 Oh, boy.

Mike Baker 16:50 It's got to be good, right?

Joe Rogan 16:51 It's got to be tremendous.

Mike Baker 16:53 I, I-

Joe Rogan 16:53 Like, imagine if you have a day when you're kind of tired and sleepy and your brain's not working that good.

Mike Baker 16:57 Yeah. Well, I have several of those.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Which, by the way, uh, I should say this. If you are having one of those days, there's a study that came out about creatine.

Mike Baker 17:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Creatine, which most people think of as like a muscle supplement-

Mike Baker 17:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:08 ... which it is, but creatine actually helps performance when you're sleep-deprived significantly.

Mike Baker 17:15 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah.

Mike Baker 17:16 Okay. Well, that's good 'cause I'm constantly sleep-deprived.

Joe Rogan 17:18 That's... It's also great for cognitive function.

Mike Baker 17:20 Yeah, my-

Joe Rogan 17:21 I started taking it on a regular basis.

Mike Baker 17:23 Uh, my boys take it for, uh, for their workouts.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Mm-hmm.

Mike Baker 17:25 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:25 It's great for that too.

Mike Baker 17:26 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, I didn't know that about that, but I, I will definitely jump on it, because I, I find myself... Like this, this month, August, I've been traveling like a son of a bitch and I'm probably getting three and a half, four hours of sleep a night.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah.

Mike Baker 17:38 And-

Joe Rogan 17:38 That's not good.

Mike Baker 17:39 Yeah, it's not good. It's not good.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Especially as we get older too.

Mike Baker 17:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 When I was young, I could bounce back from four hours sleep. Not that, not that bad.

Mike Baker 17:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:46 But at 57, it's rough.

Mike Baker 17:48 Yeah. Well, try my age. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:49 Yeah. Creatine. Get on some creatine.

Mike Baker 17:51 I'm 82. Yeah, me and Joe Biden-

Joe Rogan 17:54 (laughs)

Mike Baker 17:54 Oh, God. It... But it is, it is remarkable that when you look at what's happened over the past month and a half, I mean, nobody... It doesn't seem... Because again, the, the media is, is playing along with this. Nobody's asking questions. Who's running the free world? Who's, who's making the decisions at the, at the White House? Um-It doesn't seem to be a major concern, right? Because-

Joe Rogan 18:22 Which is bizarre.

Mike Baker 18:22 Which is bizarre, but the Democra- I get the Democrats, right? The Democrats are like, "Well, but, but Trump." That's always their answer-

Joe Rogan 18:28 But-

Mike Baker 18:28 ... Trump. And when I, you know, if I point out that maybe Harris, you know, is, is somewhat of a midwit, you know-

Joe Rogan 18:35 But Trump.

Mike Baker 18:36 And I, so what is your argument back? I mean, what do you say? Well, look, I, maybe you should focus on just having the best qualified candidate rather than saying, "Well, we just gotta beat Trump."

Joe Rogan 18:47 Right.

Mike Baker 18:48 And I, I, that's, I don't know. It's not gonna happen, but w- uh, I, the fact that there's just nobody asking questions about things like that. When did you know that Bi- (laughs) President Biden was in decline? Who was actually making the decisions?

Joe Rogan 19:01 Controversy surrounds-

Narrator 19:03 That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 19:03 ... ABC News anchor-

Narrator 19:04 ... hard to find.

Joe Rogan 19:04 ... Lindsey Davis as debate moderator due to alleged bias against Trump. But doesn't there, doesn't she have some sort of a connection to the, uh, Biden or Harris administrations?

Narrator 19:13 Didn't see anything about that, no.

Joe Rogan 19:14 No? Okay. What does, who is Lindsey Davis? Find out who she is and-

Mike Baker 19:18 That could be, that could, it could be speculation on your part.

Narrator 19:20 She's worked for NBC for a long time.

Joe Rogan 19:20 No, I read something-

Narrator 19:22 Ah.

Mike Baker 19:23 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 19:23 ... some connection that someone had made. I w- I should've saved it.

Narrator 19:26 I tried looking for that directly.

Mike Baker 19:28 Huh.

Narrator 19:29 I didn't see anything.

Mike Baker 19:30 Yeah. So that's the 10th. Um, but again, I would say that, hey, look, it's, it's much like this, uh, you know, this upcoming interview, right? She just gotta get through it without a major screw-up. And I think they're gonna say, "Look, she did it. She's had her interview. It's all good."

Joe Rogan 19:47 Yeah.

Mike Baker 19:48 I, I just don't think that, you know, people are that curious anymore. And certainly, on the Democrat side, the one thing they're always very good at is just doing what they're told and following a message, sticking to the message, and worrying about winning.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Yeah, I saw Bill Maher and Quentin Tarantino talking about it-

Mike Baker 20:06 Hm.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... whether or not, uh, she should do interviews. And, uh, Quentin Tarantino's like, "It's really important that we just win."

Mike Baker 20:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:13 "That we just win." Like-

Mike Baker 20:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 ... who, which, are we the Dolphins-

Mike Baker 20:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:16 ... and are we going against the Raiders? Or is this the United fucking States of America? Like what the hell are you talking about?

Mike Baker 20:23 Yeah. You, you, you'd like to think that people are really concerned about the quality of their leaders, but I think it is more about, about winning, again, at least on the Democrat side. Sometimes I question whether the Republicans understand that, right?

Joe Rogan 20:33 I think it's on both sides.

Mike Baker 20:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:34 I really do because there were some people that posted a deceptive, uh, video, deceptively edited video that made it look like Tim, you know he has a son that is-

Mike Baker 20:43 Yes, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:44 ... has some disabilities. And it looked like he was yanking his son, like, mea- in a mean way.

Mike Baker 20:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:52 But he was really just trying to get his son to not hit his head on the teleprompter.

Mike Baker 20:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 'Cause the teleprompter's this clear thing, the kid's walking towards it, and he just gives him a pull this way, like, "Let's go this way." And they just took that clip, like, "Oh, I bet he's mean. Look, he's mean-

Mike Baker 21:05 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:05 ... to his boy." It's creepy.

Mike Baker 21:07 It's, it's, the level of disinformation and misinformation right now leading up to November is astounding.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Astounding.

Mike Baker 21:13 Right? And it's becoming more and more difficult 'cause o- you know, generative AI and, and just a willingness to, to kind of disappear down a rabbit hole and believe whatever you, you wanna believe, right? Nobody's questioning all this shit. So, but it is, whether it's coming from, uh, outside influence and, you know, we know the Iranians are very active right now. The, obviously, the Russians and Chinese are always interested in s- screwing us up. So, but, you know, uh, people, if they don't do it themselves, you know, it's not as if, you know, this idea that the government is going to, you know, tell you what's good and what's not to read is amazing, right? They just arrested the Telegram CEO over in Europe.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

Mike Baker 21:54 Right? Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 I was gonna ask you about that too.

Mike Baker 21:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 So it seems like they wanted access to Telegram's messages because there were certain people that were posting things that had been a part of, uh, there was a, a terrorist attack in Russia-

Mike Baker 22:09 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:10 ... that they tried to get him to give up information about, but then they, they-

Mike Baker 22:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:13 ... gave up on that-

Mike Baker 22:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 ... and they left him alone. But now in France they've arrested him.

Mike Baker 22:18 Yeah, they picked him up, um, uh, three days ago, I think, four days ago.

Joe Rogan 22:22 And unfortunately, he's got this social media girlfriend who posts pictures-

Mike Baker 22:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:26 ... everywhere she goes-

Mike Baker 22:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:27 ... so they could fucking find him everywhere.

Mike Baker 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Telegram CEO released from custody in Paris. Ah.

Mike Baker 22:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:32 Great.

Mike Baker 22:33 Yeah, they extended his, they extended his detention for 48 hours, and then they had to make a decision, I think it was by today-

Joe Rogan 22:38 Ah.

Mike Baker 22:38 ... as to what to do with him. Um, okay, there you go. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Judge had till Wednesday morning to either charge him or release him, so they-

Mike Baker 22:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:43 ... released him.

Mike Baker 22:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Well, I think the outrage of the world, okay, so le- this said, "Dual citizen of France and Russia was taken into custody Saturday. Uh, he was detained on an arrest warrant over accusations the platform was used for money laundering-

Mike Baker 22:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:57 ... drug trafficking, and other offenses." Guess what? You can say that about Gmail.

Mike Baker 23:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Should we arrest-

Mike Baker 23:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:02 ... Google-

Mike Baker 23:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:03 ... because Gmail is used for money laundering and drug sales? 'Cause it certainly is.

Mike Baker 23:08 Yeah. And, and I think, well, look, ho- honestly (laughs) . I think-

Joe Rogan 23:11 So is Yahoo.

Mike Baker 23:12 ... I think there are some people in the States that if you could, if they thought they could get away with it, they would. That's what they would be pushing for. But with this g- with, with, uh, Pavel Durov, they, I, I think they were, they were really upset with a couple of things. One is that they, Telegram has a history of not cooperating with criminal investigations, right? Not releasing information, uh, or complying with requests from whomever it may be, right? Europol, Interpol, anyone. And, and so they, they basically figured a way to say, "Look, because of your inability or your failure to moderate the content on your platform, on Telegram, uh, we're gonna criminally charge you perhaps." Right now, I, I, I suspect that's what they're gonna do with this, but I think you're right. I think the outrage said, "Okay, well, let's, let's let him go for now." But he's not... Look, he got sideways with Putin, so he's a, he's a dual citizen of, uh, of, um, um, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:06 Russia and France.

Mike Baker 24:07 No, France and, uh, United Arab Emirates.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Oh, really?

Mike Baker 24:10 Um, yeah. And although the Russians (laughs) ... Putin regime was very funny when he got arrested. They were outraged over, you know, the fact that they, you know, they, they viewed this as a limit on free speech. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:22 That's cute.

Mike Baker 24:22 That's the Putin regime. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, 'cause you know how, how much they value, uh, civil liberties and shit. Um...

Joe Rogan 24:29 Especially dissenting opinions.

Mike Baker 24:30 Yeah. Oh, they love-

Joe Rogan 24:31 Love it.

Mike Baker 24:31 There's nothing better. Yeah, so...

Joe Rogan 24:33 It's all about free expression over there-

Mike Baker 24:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:34 ... in Russia.

Mike Baker 24:35 But, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:37 (laughs)

Mike Baker 24:38 Oh, God. Russia. Um-

Joe Rogan 24:40 So-

Mike Baker 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:41 ... let me ask you this wha- before we get off top- topic about the-

Mike Baker 24:44 Sure. Sure.

Joe Rogan 24:44 ... assassination.

Mike Baker 24:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Is it normal for there to be an assassination attempt and then no press conference?

Mike Baker 24:50 Um, it is... B- because we don't have assassination attempts every week, it's kind of hard to say that it- is it normal to do this.

Joe Rogan 24:58 No, but if it's a major-

Mike Baker 25:00 But-

Joe Rogan 25:00 ... uh, world event-

Mike Baker 25:01 Right. Right. Um-

Joe Rogan 25:02 ... generally, don't they have press conferences?

Mike Baker 25:04 Yes. And it was... (clears throat) Look, the whole thing, the, the protocols that weren't followed, the process, the, the, the fact that it was a cock-up of monumental proportions, uh, leading up to, uh, Thomas Crooks taking those shots, um, and then the afterwards, right? Then the way that they handled it was another series of in- it, it... Still, to this day, this series of mistakes that there is no justification for it. You can't... Look, doing security at a, uh, an event, like, uh, the Butler rally, uh, back in July with, uh... where Trump was shot. Um, right now, there's people out there going, "I don't think he was shot."

Joe Rogan 25:46 (laughs)

Mike Baker 25:46 Uh, I'm pretty sure he wasn't (laughs) . Um, so I think, uh, that's... It's not rocket science, right? It's, it's very, uh, labor-intensive and detail-oriented. But it's not... You're not building a spaceship, right? You're, you're going through the same process that you go through every time you have one of these events, right? And so you have a political rally like that, and it's not a national security event. So it's not the DNC, it's not the RNC, it's not the Super Bowl, uh, it's not the Olympics. That- those are national security events. You have a year-plus to plan and prepare, get all your resources together, and figure out your, your game plan, your site surveys, all the rest of it. You still have time. With these political events, don't have a year, but you've got sufficient time. And they do it over and over again. And it's not tough. So you do a site survey and, and you say, "Okay, he's going to show up at Butler. Let's get out there." And the Secret Service has primacy. Uh, they work with local, state resources if they need to heavy up the security and they don't have the available resources. But they have the primacy, so they go out and the site survey, that whole process, the risk threat assessment in the survey, is where you identify your timelines and your resources and your deployment of resources and all the various things. Your command and control center, your communications protocols, all those things. But it's over and over and over again. It's a meth- uh, uh, uh, there's a methodology to it. And the Secret Service, you know, they, they do this all the time. So it does lead you to wonder how many more events in the past have they been, you know, not buttoned up and they just got lucky because there wasn't a shooter? But there's no way to excuse what happened, uh, because it was such a breakdown of, of events. And, and then afterwards, in the hot washing in the, in the briefings that they did provide, then going up on Capitol Hill and Kimberly Cheatle, the now departed, uh, director, um, it was a, a classic lesson in how not to do crisis communications.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Mm-hmm.

Mike Baker 27:56 And she should have been, the director who's now gone, she should have been out on the, on the rally, uh, grounds that afternoon, that evening, sorry, and with a team and with the agent in charge. And it should have been very clear to, uh, the press all around that they were, uh, out there doing the investigation, assessing what had happened, and people would be responsible and they would ta- But it... None of that happened. It was just a fucking goat rope. So, you know-

Joe Rogan 28:25 It's because it's Trump.

Mike Baker 28:27 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:27 If it was anybody else-

Mike Baker 28:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:28 ... like if that had happened, if there was an assassination attempt about Biden-

Mike Baker 28:32 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:34 ... Yeah.

Mike Baker 28:34 Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 28:34 It would have been crazy. If Biden got winged in the ear the same way and they took him out in the whole deal and, you know, they, they shoot the guy and there's an investigation, it would have been on the news constantly.

Mike Baker 28:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Constantly for weeks and weeks. It would have been-

Mike Baker 28:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... lead story every night, more information in the assassination attempt on President Biden.

Mike Baker 28:58 Yeah. Day 22.

Joe Rogan 28:59 Yeah. It would have been the same thing.

Mike Baker 29:00 Uh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Right-wing, far-right activist, registered Republican-

Mike Baker 29:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:04 ... Thomas Crooks.

Mike Baker 29:05 Yes. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 'Cause apparently he was a registered Republican.

Mike Baker 29:08 Yeah, he had donated, I think, uh, $15 to a Democratic or a progressive group when he had, he had registered as a Republican and he was, he was all over the map. He had done research on Biden. He'd done research on Trump. He'd done... So he was... You know, they're, they're trying to posit a, a motivation 'cause they haven't c- been clear about that yet. They're still trying to figure out a motivation (laughs) uh, that he was just looking for an opportunity, right? To carry out his, his vision. Um-

Joe Rogan 29:33 Does he... Did he have a... We don't even know. Does he have a history of being mentally ill?

Mike Baker 29:38 There was some talk... Um, they're starting to develop a narrative that says, you know, for the past couple of years, uh, people were concerned about his mental health. Um, there are a couple of people I think that had a, uh, acquaintance with him that were saying, "Well, we just assumed he was bipolar or depressive." He had researched, uh, depressive disorders. It was... That was on some of his electronic, uh, gear. And so, yeah, I mean, that could be, that could be it, but again, the bottom line is (laughs) the, the whole process, command and control, resource deployment, communications process, all of it just completely fucked up on that, on that day. And usually, when you have a problem with that magnitude with security, it's never just one thing. It's a series of things that compound.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Right.

Mike Baker 30:22 And, you know... But then, you know, the Acting Director Rowe, you know, he goes up there and, you know, earl- it's, it was a few weeks back now, but when he first showed up to say, "I'm the acting director and I'm going up to Capitol Hill and answer your questions," which he didn't really do, um, you know, they were talking about, "Well, it's, it's al- it's almost impossible to, to get all the elements talking on the same frequency," right? The local police are talking on their frequency, Secret Service talking on their frequency, counter-sniper teams, maybe they're operating on a different channel. You know, you, you can't combine those. Well, of course you can.I- I- I- I'm just telling you for a fact (laughs) that you can ... There are capabilities (laughs) uh, out there and available to allow you to get everybody talking on the same sheet of music at an event like that.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Of course.

Mike Baker 31:08 And ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 To say otherwise is nonsense.

Mike Baker 31:10 Yeah, yeah. And it's- and it's also, yeah, it defies logic, but it also ... And that- I think that was the thing about this, is why people were so shocked, is because you didn't have to- to be a security expert to look at this thing in real time.

Joe Rogan 31:24 Well, how about the sloped roof thing?

Mike Baker 31:26 Yeah. Oh, God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:27 "We couldn't get agents up there because the roof was sloped."

Mike Baker 31:31 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:31 "And it could be dangerous." And it sloped by five degrees.

Mike Baker 31:34 Yeah, that was- that was the nail in her coffin when she came out with that bullshit, um ...

Joe Rogan 31:37 It was ... The whole thing was insane because you had snipers on another roof, so what are you talking about?

Mike Baker 31:43 Yeah. You had- you had, uh, what did they have? Two counter-sniper teams and ... But again, when you go out to a place like that and you walk the grounds and you stand and you survey, right, and you- you fly drones around and you- you get a real sense of what you're talking about. In the early stages of a survey or an assessment like that, um, there are just certain things you look for.

Joe Rogan 32:03 Right.

Mike Baker 32:04 You know? Okay, there's the stage. There's a tall building (laughs) over there.

Joe Rogan 32:07 Right. How about the water tower?

Mike Baker 32:08 Yeah, how about the water tower? Maybe we cover that down too.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah.

Mike Baker 32:11 And, uh ... But, and- and, you know, and I think the transparency that we have on this right now is pretty much thanks to the local law enforcement. I mean, that's where we've gotten most of our information, right?

Joe Rogan 32:22 Right.

Mike Baker 32:22 They've shared body cam images, they've shared, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Yeah.

Mike Baker 32:25 ... radio, uh, conversations. And I think in part they're doing it because they're so pissed off, right?

Joe Rogan 32:29 Yeah, well, they-

Mike Baker 32:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Their conversations were about how they saw this guy in advance and they alerted people. He was walking around with a fucking range finder.

Mike Baker 32:36 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think-

Joe Rogan 32:37 That's it.

Mike Baker 32:37 ... that's a clue? That's a- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:38 You walk around with a range finder, they should just arrest you.

Mike Baker 32:42 (laughs) Yeah. It's ... It is- it is- it's shocking. And then, he was there a couple of hours ahead of time flying a drone.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Insane.

Mike Baker 32:48 Um, yeah. And, uh ... But I think that the Secret Service, their go-to in the immediate aftermath was to point fingers at the local law enforcement and so, I think local law enforcement was like, "Fuck you."

Joe Rogan 32:58 "Fuck you."

Mike Baker 32:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Yeah.

Mike Baker 32:59 And so, they've been- they've been transparent where Secret Service hasn't, right? Government, I- I tell you this, government hates to hold a press conference when they don't have all the facts, right? They're just not comfortable with it. And particularly something like this, the idea that, and Vroe kept sa- the acting director kept saying about, "Well, we're not gonna get out ahead of the investigation." Well, you know what? Sometimes there's- there's times when you need to.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Right.

Mike Baker 33:22 And the- and- and the fact that they- they failed to understand the optic of this, uh, right in the a- immediate aftermath and say, "Man, we gotta be so fucking proactive here. We gotta be more transparent than we've ever been before," uh, it just ... It didn't-

Joe Rogan 33:33 There's a lot of other things that disturbed me.

Mike Baker 33:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:36 Here's one. Was there ... Is it normal for CNN to live stream a Trump press event or a Trump campaign event?

Mike Baker 33:46 They normally ... I mean, if they- if they show it, they normally jump out of it after the first 10 seconds or so.

Joe Rogan 33:52 "Oh, he's lying again."

Mike Baker 33:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 "We've counted five lies." But I do have to say this, and I say this as a credit to CNN, it seems like they have made a concerted effort to be more balanced. And I think this is in the aftermath of firing Don Lemon-

Mike Baker 34:07 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:07 ... and Brian Stelter and all those people over there that people were frustrated with. I think they have made a concerted effort. Like, there was a gentleman-

Mike Baker 34:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 ... who was on, who was talking about, um, that everyone's blaming Trump for things, but that the Democrats have been in control of the White House for 12 of the last 16 years. And when he said that, it was like, "Whoa."

Mike Baker 34:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:30 That- that was a big moment, and no one had an answer to that. There- they were like, "Yeah, but, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah-"

Mike Baker 34:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:34 "... they have to ... The undermining that Trump has done to our dem- democracy and the threats and ..."

Mike Baker 34:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:37 What did he say? He's gonna be a dictator. He said he's gonna be a dictator.

Mike Baker 34:40 (laughs) On day one.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Holy shit, man.

Mike Baker 34:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:42 He's joking around about closing the border.

Mike Baker 34:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Like, that's ... He's not gonna listen to anybody, he's just gonna close the border.

Mike Baker 34:47 12 of the last 16 years and you know what? Kamala Harris, if she wins, she's gonna fix the problems. (laughs) She-

Joe Rogan 34:54 She's in right now.

Mike Baker 34:56 I know. I know. That's ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:57 Which is so crazy.

Mike Baker 34:58 Another part of the whole e- equation that I'm sure they won't get asked tomorrow night.

Joe Rogan 35:03 Right.

Mike Baker 35:03 You ... When you talk about fixing the problems and- and making America ... What have you been doing?

Joe Rogan 35:08 Maybe they will-

Mike Baker 35:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:09 ... and maybe they've already prepared for that. Maybe they have some sort of fucking spinny-

Mike Baker 35:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:14 ... spinny spin they're gonna put on that to make it seem like it makes sense.

Mike Baker 35:17 Somebody has ... I- I guarantee you. (laughs) Put everybody on the, uh, on the polygraph over there at CNN. Somebody could just be a- a researcher or a producer or whatever, they're talk- they're talking, because you know the DNC and- and the campaign team ha- have been, ever since they agreed, "Okay, let's do this interview," somebody's been beating on somebody to say, "Okay, well, where are you gonna go with this?"

Joe Rogan 35:40 Yeah.

Mike Baker 35:40 "What questions are you gonna ask?" And somebody's slipping that under the table, so ...

Joe Rogan 35:43 There's no way they're not.

Mike Baker 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:45 I- if they're all Democrats.

Mike Baker 35:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 There's no ... I mean, if you're working for CNN, you're a Democrat most likely. There's very few Republicans over there.

Mike Baker 35:53 Yeah, and might be some Independents.

Joe Rogan 35:55 There might be.

Mike Baker 35:55 Libertarians also

Narrator 35:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Yeah, there's a few.

Mike Baker 35:57 (laughs) There's a handful.

Joe Rogan 35:57 There's a few that are, even though they're Liberal-leaning, I think they're ... Jake Tapper, I think is very fair. I think he's probably-

Mike Baker 36:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:03 ... the most objective out of all of them, even though I'm sure he has his own opinions and biases.

Mike Baker 36:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:07 But they're not acting like journalists. They act like advocates for the Democratic Party-

Mike Baker 36:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:12 ... and that's where it gets weird 'cause you're supposed to be the news.

Mike Baker 36:15 Yeah. Well, I think, uh, what happened, uh, a couple of things. This is with CNN moving possibly to this idea that they- they're moving a little bit towards the center, and I will say, you see more negative comments from- from, uh, the- the left, right, about CNN. I think they're pissed off sometimes with CNN because they're not as hardcore-

Joe Rogan 36:33 'Cause they're objective? (laughs)

Mike Baker 36:33 ... 'cause- 'cause they're trying to move a little bit more. I think that's a- a- a, uh, a revenue issue for them, 'cause I don't think they've made money since- (laughs) since they've been around.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Right.

Mike Baker 36:41 But I- I think they're realizing that maybe there's- there's more, uh, profit margin a little bit further towards the center than where they've been sitting. Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Well, if they can convince people that they will actually be objective, people like me will listen.

Mike Baker 36:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:54 And that's the thing, I'm much more center than I am anything.

Mike Baker 36:59 Well, remember you used to tune in CNN when shit was hitting the fan, right? Overseas.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Oh, yeah.

Mike Baker 37:03 In particular, right?

Joe Rogan 37:04 Yeah.

Mike Baker 37:04 Because they had more field offices, they had more bureaus all over the world. And you'd turn on CNN to see wh-

Joe Rogan 37:11 It was the best news.

Mike Baker 37:11 Yeah, well what's going on.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Yeah.

Mike Baker 37:13 Yeah. We, we used to have it be on if you walked into a station overseas, CNN was always on. Right? I mean, it still is for the most part, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 37:18 Was it when Jeff Zucker got involved? Is that when things changed?

Mike Baker 37:23 Uh, you know what? I don't know. I'm not qualified to answer that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:25 Because he put on some good stuff too.

Mike Baker 37:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:27 He was, uh, the head of NBC when I was over there.

Mike Baker 37:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:30 When I was over there for Newsradio and Fear Factor. Well, maybe not News... No, not Newsradio. Fear Factor, he was the head guy over there. And when he went over there, he did a bunch of great things, like the Anthony Bourdain show. They were doing those interesting shows.

Mike Baker 37:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Um, uh, W. Kamau Bell had a show on there. They were doing some cool stuff that was not just the news.

Mike Baker 37:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:49 And I was like, "Oh, I like it. I like it." But then when they became... Like, Don Lemon, at one point in time... Do you remember when Don Lemon had that famous speech about what Black people need to do? Pull your pants up, get your shit together.

Mike Baker 38:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:00 I was like, "Fuck yeah-"

Mike Baker 38:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:01 "... Don Lemon."

Mike Baker 38:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:02 And where's that guy?

Mike Baker 38:04 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:05 Where'd that guy go?

Mike Baker 38:05 No.

Joe Rogan 38:06 That guy fucking vanished.

Mike Baker 38:07 There was no money in that.

Joe Rogan 38:08 (laughs)

Mike Baker 38:08 No, no.

Joe Rogan 38:09 There is, you just gotta go to Fox.

Mike Baker 38:11 Yeah. (laughs) Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 38:14 You can't, you can't hang out at CNN with those kind of fucking-

Mike Baker 38:17 No. Come on.

Joe Rogan 38:18 ... objective opinions.

Mike Baker 38:19 Yeah. God, um, yeah, it'll be... So I, I, I think, um... Again, I, I, I think this interview that she's gonna do, uh, I get it. I understand. Why wouldn't you wanna be in a, in a comfortable spot?

Joe Rogan 38:31 Right.

Mike Baker 38:32 I think it's very bizarre that she's doing a joint interview with Walt, you know? Um, if you want to show that you're ready for the job on... And, and, uh, you're, you know, gonna be... Could possibly be the first, you know, woman vice pres... Or president of the United States, and then you say, "Okay, my first big interview I'm gonna do it, sit here with this dude."

Joe Rogan 38:50 Could you imagine if Trump did all his interviews with Pence?

Mike Baker 38:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:54 What? What the fuck?

Mike Baker 38:56 Where, where is Pence?

Joe Rogan 38:57 He's hiding.

Mike Baker 38:58 He is?

Joe Rogan 38:58 That dude's hiding.

Mike Baker 38:59 I don't even know where he is.

Joe Rogan 39:00 All those QAnon people, they don't like him.

Mike Baker 39:01 Oh, God, no. No, that's true. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:04 Oh, they, they think he's a traitor.

Mike Baker 39:05 Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:06 They think he's responsible for Trump not being still in office.

Mike Baker 39:09 (laughs) There's nobody in the middle anymore.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Oh my God, no one's in the middle, and if you're in the middle, you're an enemy.

Mike Baker 39:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:14 You're the enemy.

Mike Baker 39:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Pick a fucking side.

Mike Baker 39:16 Pick a side.

Joe Rogan 39:16 You guys need to stop.

Mike Baker 39:18 God damn it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Cut the shit, man. We need about five different parties that are all relevant.

Mike Baker 39:23 God damn right.

Joe Rogan 39:23 And right now-

Mike Baker 39:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:24 ... we have two.

Mike Baker 39:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:25 And one of them is way more funded. (laughs)

Mike Baker 39:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:28 Like, way more funded.

Mike Baker 39:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Fucking way more funded.

Mike Baker 39:31 You see they made... They, they've raked in, uh... The Democrats have raked in something like half a billion dollars.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Nuts.

Mike Baker 39:37 In... Yeah. And they'll probably spend it all too.

Joe Rogan 39:39 But have you seen the Project Veritas, uh, deep dive into that? Where they in-

Mike Baker 39:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:45 ... they go to people's houses and they ask them, "Did you donate $150,000?" 'Cause he's registered donors.

Mike Baker 39:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 39:50 And he's like, "Goodness, no."

Mike Baker 39:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:53 Like, "I didn't d- donate any of that money."

Mike Baker 39:55 $150,000?

Joe Rogan 39:56 So there's all these donations that at least Project Veritas is claiming-

Mike Baker 40:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 40:00 ... and these people are claiming were not theirs. And this is... That they're throwing money into this pot and they're attributing it to all these people that probably don't even know-

Mike Baker 40:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:10 ... it's being attributed to them. I think that's what they're alluding to.

Mike Baker 40:12 If they, if, if, if they can s-... I mean, if this... The cost of this campaign is, uh, you know, uh, is gonna be north of a billion you have to assume.

Joe Rogan 40:19 That's so crazy.

Mike Baker 40:20 And you think about... Yeah. I- i- i- if there was a way to take (laughs) ... If there was a way to take money out of it, if there was a way to take the term l-... Or enact term limits, and there was a way to have a, a meaningful third and fourth party, completely change the landscape here-

Joe Rogan 40:34 Yeah.

Mike Baker 40:34 ... I, I would think. And I think for the better. I don't think there's any... I mean, in my mind, I, I, I don't think I can be persuaded otherwise, but I- I just don't see that happening. Who's gonna vote against their own best interests, right?

Joe Rogan 40:44 Right.

Mike Baker 40:44 You look at the, at the money that these politicians can make, and they can walk out the door multi-millionaires on salaries where that doesn't make any sense. Oh, that's the other thing you need to get out of there is insider trading.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Yeah.

Mike Baker 40:57 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Well, I think it's important that we all p- p- p- participate. It's a free market.

Mike Baker 41:01 Yeah, gotta go. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:02 (laughs)

Mike Baker 41:02 Gotta go. Oh, you know what? You know what, what?

Joe Rogan 41:04 (laughs)

Mike Baker 41:05 My wife is, is so damn smart. A lot... Hell of a lot smarter than I am.

Joe Rogan 41:09 She's very smart.

Mike Baker 41:10 She's, she is very smart.

Joe Rogan 41:10 She's kind of spooky smart.

Mike Baker 41:11 I know, right?

Joe Rogan 41:12 You talk to her, you're like, "Yo."

Mike Baker 41:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 "This lady's operating on a very high frequency."

Mike Baker 41:17 I know, which makes you wonder how did... (laughs) Why is she still with me? Uh-

Joe Rogan 41:20 That's what they like in a nice dumb guy.

Mike Baker 41:22 (laughs) Like a dumb guy, right?

Joe Rogan 41:23 Yeah.

Mike Baker 41:23 You know, I'm good at picking things up and putting them down.

Joe Rogan 41:25 That's all they need.

Mike Baker 41:26 Yeah, I can fetch things. Um, but-

Joe Rogan 41:28 They need you to open up mayonnaise jars. (laughs)

Mike Baker 41:32 (laughs) Look at this.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Hand Mike the pickles.

Mike Baker 41:34 Uh, every now and then I walk over there and I just show her-

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah.

Mike Baker 41:36 ... just so she knows what I'm around here for.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Yeah, that's right.

Mike Baker 41:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:38 "I can fucking open shit."

Mike Baker 41:40 God damn it. My... I, I, I will say this. The other thing about this is, uh, um... Like, all three of my boys. Like, like, I just... I just got in from, uh, from Florida this morning. And I was dropping, uh, our middle boy, um, back at IMG, right? He plays basketball down there. And he's constantly... And the older one, even the youngest one, they're constantly just hitting me. They're beating on me, right? Every time they walk by.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Boy stuff.

Mike Baker 42:04 Yeah, they can't walk by me without hitting me, right?

Joe Rogan 42:06 Yeah.

Mike Baker 42:06 And, and I mean, now they're really putting some effort into it, right? And I'll be-

Joe Rogan 42:11 They got testosterone now.

Mike Baker 42:12 Yeah, they got testosterone and they wanna... They wanna-

Joe Rogan 42:14 Yeah.

Mike Baker 42:14 They want a title shot, right?

Joe Rogan 42:15 Yeah.

Mike Baker 42:15 And so they're all kind of getting to that point and they're just like... They'll... I- I'll walk in the elevator yesterday with, with, uh-

Joe Rogan 42:22 (laughs)

Mike Baker 42:22 ... with, with Sammy and we get in there and the door is closing and he just goes... Whams me.

Joe Rogan 42:25 (laughs)

Mike Baker 42:25 I go, "What the fuck are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 42:27 (laughs) God.

Mike Baker 42:27 I was talking about this with Huberman that the difference between a boy of 12 years old and a boy of 17 is only five years.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Yeah. So you and I in five years basically probably be pretty close to the same, but hopefully we won't decline too much.

Mike Baker 42:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 But from a boy at 12 years old, they can't hurt anybody. At 17 years old, they can fuck up grown men.

Mike Baker 42:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:46 And it happens quick.

Mike Baker 42:48 It happens quick and they, they... All of a sudden... Yeah, it's like, it's like with the, the two oldest ones. I, I look at them. If I'm away, you know, I travel a fair amount. If I... And I come back and-

Joe Rogan 42:56 They got muscles.

Mike Baker 42:56 ... at this stage... They got muscles. They're bigger, they're taller.

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah.

Mike Baker 42:58 I'm thinking, "Holy shit." But I just... It's like, it's like, uh... It's like living in a house with, uh, with Cato. Remember?

Joe Rogan 43:05 (laughs)

Mike Baker 43:05 When, when he would like leap out-

Joe Rogan 43:07 We're really dating ourselves now.

Mike Baker 43:08 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Yeah.

Mike Baker 43:09 But he'd leap out of nowhere and just-

Joe Rogan 43:11 Yeah, and attack you.

Mike Baker 43:12 ... attack you. And I'm thinking, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 43:12 From The Pink Panther.

Mike Baker 43:13 God, yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Yeah.

Mike Baker 43:15 Uh, but, um-So, yeah, anyway-

Joe Rogan 43:17 Ugh.

Mike Baker 43:17 Yeah, we dropped him off, uh, yesterday. He's back there for, for his next, uh, his next year. And I will say, that, uh, um, you know, uh ... But just talking about IMG, they told me a fact yesterday, and I was just talking about it with the guys outside before we started, which astounds me. They graduated, uh, 88, uh, ball players, uh, last year, basketball players, from, uh, seniors in, in their post-grad program, 88 of them. 82 of them are now playing college ball.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Wow.

Mike Baker 43:47 That's astounding, right?

Joe Rogan 43:48 That's pretty astounding.

Mike Baker 43:49 It's amazing. And that's just the one sport there. They've got ... You know, they cover most of the sports there.

Joe Rogan 43:52 That's pretty incredible.

Mike Baker 43:53 It's an a- ... It's an amazing, uh, program. Um, and so anyway, but moving on, it's, you know-

Joe Rogan 43:57 You were ... I interrupted you.

Mike Baker 43:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:58 You were about to say something smart that your wife said.

Mike Baker 44:01 God dammit, man.

Joe Rogan 44:02 I was saying, we were, we were talking about the Trump thing and the, the, the, the objective thing with the news and all that jazz.

Mike Baker 44:08 Fucking hell. I'm having a Biden moment now. What was I talk- ... Jamie, you remember what I was gonna say? No?

Joe Rogan 44:13 (laughs)

Mike Baker 44:15 No? (laughs) It'll come to me later on.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Okay.

Mike Baker 44:16 Uh, yeah, yeah. I don't even remember what we're ... what, what I was about to say.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Well, we made a diversion somehow, and we were-

Mike Baker 44:22 Yeah, we did. We disappeared down a rabbit hole there.

Joe Rogan 44:23 We're essentially just talking about the, the problem with narratives, that people ... There's no one in the middle, and that everyone is y- ... If you're not on one side, you're, you're a traitor.

Mike Baker 44:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:34 You're an enemy.

Mike Baker 44:35 And you, and you do, uh, th- ... I don't know. There's, there's no way ... I don't think there's any way to walk that dog back, right? We ... k- ... Uh, look, we, we had that moment after that assassination attempt, and, and like we talked about earlier, people were saying, "Yeah, we gotta be more civil."

Joe Rogan 44:49 It was like a mini-9/11. Remember after 9/11?

Mike Baker 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Everybody was so nice to each other-

Mike Baker 44:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:54 ... for, like, weeks.

Mike Baker 44:55 Yeah, weeks.

Joe Rogan 44:55 That one lasted a long time.

Mike Baker 44:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:57 I remember coming to New York City, and we filmed Fear Factor after September 11th, and everybody was so nice. They were so ... And firemen were treated like fucking heroes.

Mike Baker 45:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 Firemen got laid more than any other time. (laughs)

Mike Baker 45:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:11 I mean, everybody wanted to bag a fireman.

Mike Baker 45:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:13 They wanted to help those guys out, and-

Mike Baker 45:14 Yeah, I grew a mustache and pretended I was a fireman for a while. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 All the first responders, cops, EMT guys, they all got mad respect.

Mike Baker 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 And everybody was a lot more peaceful and civil. And in No- ... Los Angeles, it was palpable. You had ph- ... American flags on everyone's car.

Mike Baker 45:29 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 45:30 It was, it was kinda cool.

Mike Baker 45:32 And then you had the same with the, with the military, right?

Joe Rogan 45:34 Yeah.

Mike Baker 45:34 I mean, shortly after, and then we went into Tora Bora, and then, and then that, that whole thing kicked off. And ... But there was a period of time, you're, you're, you're right. And usually, not that you want something like that to happen, um, I mean, look at the, look at the pandemic. I mean, the pandemic brought people together for a while. People were so nice to you. Uh-

Joe Rogan 45:49 Uh-

Mike Baker 45:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:50 In the beginning, every- ... I thought it was gonna be like 9/11-

Mike Baker 45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:53 ... where everyone's gonna realize, "Hey, we're all together in this. Let's help each other out. Let's get through this."

Mike Baker 45:57 Yeah, that didn't last.

Joe Rogan 45:58 No. Well, it-

Mike Baker 45:59 No, no.

Joe Rogan 45:59 P- ... The thing that didn't last is in spite of all the evidence that it's not as bad as everybody's saying it is, everybody wanted to say, "It's killing everybody."

Mike Baker 46:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Like, did you see Kamala Harris' speech-

Mike Baker 46:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:10 ... where she said 220 million-

Mike Baker 46:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:12 ... Americans died?

Mike Baker 46:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:13 And she didn't just say it once.

Mike Baker 46:15 N- ... Yeah, no, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 She said it more than once. I've got it saved. Uh, I could pull it up if Jamie wants to find it.

Mike Baker 46:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:21 But there's two different instances where she said 200- ... two different speeches, 220 million Americans died from COVID-

Mike Baker 46:29 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:29 ... which is just insane.

Mike Baker 46:31 That's a lot. We're, we're now just a country of 110 million. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:34 That's so crazy to say.

Mike Baker 46:36 Yeah, yeah, and yet we still have a housing shortage. How does that work?

Joe Rogan 46:38 You could misspeak and may- maybe say, "220 million Americans were infected."

Mike Baker 46:44 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Fact check, Kamala Harris said 220 million people in the US died of COVID.

Mike Baker 46:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:48 Here's what she meant to say. Oh, snopes.

Mike Baker 46:49 Oh, she meant to say this.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Oh, snopes.

Mike Baker 46:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:54 D- hold her hand.

Mike Baker 46:55 It was a slip of the tongue.

Joe Rogan 46:56 She meant, uh, she's saying million instead of thousand.

Mike Baker 47:00 Gah.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Okay, no. No, that doesn't work anyway. That doesn't work either-

Mike Baker 47:06 No.

Joe Rogan 47:06 ... because even w- ... if you're saying 220,000, that's 220,000 died with COVID. You're, you're not-

Mike Baker 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:13 You're not looking at it correctly if, if it was four-plus comorbidities for somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 or 80% of the people that died.

Mike Baker 47:23 Yeah, I ... P- but what we just saw there with that headline-

Joe Rogan 47:26 Yeah.

Mike Baker 47:27 ... is, uh, it's very subtle, but it's important, right? What she meant to say, right?

Joe Rogan 47:34 How the fuck do you know what she meant to say?

Mike Baker 47:35 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 47:35 She said it twice.

Mike Baker 47:36 Right, but it ... but it ... you, you see this constantly, right?

Joe Rogan 47:39 Yeah.

Mike Baker 47:39 And then again, it's very subtle. It's not, it's not straight-up disinformation, but it's framing it. It's v- ... It's, it's shaping a narrative. It's softening it, and it's definitely taking a side. But a lot of people would read that and, and it would just go right past them, but it would be back there somewhere, right?

Joe Rogan 47:54 Right.

Mike Baker 47:54 As, uh, you know, if it was Trump, you know, "Trump lied about the following," right?

Joe Rogan 47:58 Right.

Mike Baker 47:58 You think, "Okay, okay," yeah. I mean, that's, that's qui- ... Look, it's, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 First of all, you're gonna misspeak.

Mike Baker 48:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:03 If you're doing those kind of things and you're-

Mike Baker 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 ... working off a scri- ... uh, and you don't have a script and you're just out there talking to people expl- ... You're gonna misspeak.

Mike Baker 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 And I say the wrong name all the time. I'll say, uh, someone's name, and then Jamie will correct me, "Did you mean it?"

Mike Baker 48:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:17 I go, "What did I say?" Like, I don't even realize it when I'm saying it that I'm saying the wrong word. People misspeak.

Mike Baker 48:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:23 It's a normal thing. But-

Mike Baker 48:25 That's a goofy one. It's ... And, and to repeat it-

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah.

Mike Baker 48:28 ... right? Uh, but look, and, and that's why, again, uh, everything that we've seen leading up to tomorrow night's interview needs to be factored into this, right? I just ... I, I understand why the Democrats are so wrapped around the axle, because they just ... They, they're so worried that Trump might win, uh, for whatever reason, right? They just can't fathom that. And so a lot of them are just willing to overlook it. A lot of them, I think, understand that she's a, you know, a half-wit, but I think maybe that's not fair. (laughs) She's ... But look, I ... Every time I, I, I talk about her, it's ... People will say, "Well, she's so well-experienced. Look at her. She was an attorney general and a senator and a vice president." And I'm thinking, "Have you never seen people who have failed upwards," right? I've met a lot of people who have had a lot of experience, and they're fucking dolts, right?

Joe Rogan 49:15 Yeah.

Mike Baker 49:15 They're gormless.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Oh, yeah.

Mike Baker 49:17 And, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Especially in Hollywood.

Mike Baker 49:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:19 How many... Right? You, you work on television. How many fucking executives have you run across-

Mike Baker 49:23 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 49:23 ... and you're like, "How the fuck did you get this job?"

Mike Baker 49:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:25 And even the people under them don't respect them.

Mike Baker 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 But yet they're in control. And-

Mike Baker 49:29 For the, for the time being.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Yeah.

Mike Baker 49:31 Talk about, they're, then they're all living in fear, right?

Joe Rogan 49:32 Yup.

Mike Baker 49:32 They're all having a fear of losing that office and those snacks.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Yup. (laughs)

Mike Baker 49:35 And this... And the assistant.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Yup.

Mike Baker 49:37 And, and they will. They eventually lose it.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah.

Mike Baker 49:40 Um...

Joe Rogan 49:40 They eventually do.

Mike Baker 49:40 Yeah. 'Cause they, they, and, uh, but they're so paralyzed by fear, nobody's buying shows anymore.

Joe Rogan 49:46 Right.

Mike Baker 49:46 Right? And it's, it's a remarkable industry right now, but that's not what we're talking about, but it is, it is fascinating 'cause it's-

Joe Rogan 49:52 Well, it's been gutted-

Mike Baker 49:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:53 ... by the internet.

Mike Baker 49:54 Yeah. It's completely gutted. Uh, people, uh, they, they lived in fear before, but now nobody wants to green light anything. And if they do, they'll say, "Well, we'll buy six episodes."

Joe Rogan 50:03 Right.

Mike Baker 50:04 And you think, "Really?"

Joe Rogan 50:04 Right.

Mike Baker 50:04 "Okay, that's, that's where your head's at?" So, uh, yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 50:08 And then they're terrified of AI.

Mike Baker 50:10 Oh, shit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:10 'Cause AI is gonna come along, and that's gonna take away who knows how many jobs.

Mike Baker 50:14 Hm.

Joe Rogan 50:15 I mean, I think Hollywood's gonna get hit first. Well, maybe not.

Mike Baker 50:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:19 No, probably a lot of industries are gonna get crippled.

Mike Baker 50:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:21 But I think Hollywood has got a real problem. They got a real problem with writers. They got a real problem with video, editing, all that stuff. It's gonna be done through computers way quicker, way...

Mike Baker 50:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... more cost-efficient, probably better. You're gonna get exactly what you want.

Mike Baker 50:37 Yeah. It is, it is shocking. I, I, I was a little bit late to the game, as I usually am on, on the technology side, right? And so I didn't... I, I don't think I really understood just how, um, invasive or... What's the word I'm looking for, for AI? In its abilities, right? Even now, right?

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah.

Mike Baker 50:54 It's gonna be exponentially better here shortly. But the ability to craft a w- a very tailored message in almost no time at all, right?

Joe Rogan 51:05 Mm-hmm.

Mike Baker 51:06 Um, is, is, is shocking. And, and so you're right. And, but where my head goes is 'cause of, you know, I mean, anybody with kids I think goes there, is that, you know, what I worry about is, okay, so at what point do, do we just... Humans don't know how to fucking analyze and write shit anymore, right?

Joe Rogan 51:25 Right.

Mike Baker 51:26 And you'll have the people who, okay, sure, you've gotta, you gotta program this shit, and you've gotta, you know, curate all the stuff that it's, it's picking up. But now it's, now it's collecting just AI-generated shit, right?

Joe Rogan 51:36 Right.

Mike Baker 51:36 It's not, it's not like it's going out there and getting the world's greatest human literature, right, anymore. It's just, now it's just scooping up all this shit that AI produced. Uh, but I worry about kids, right? And, you know, the ease with which they can now put together an essay or a college application-

Joe Rogan 51:52 Hm.

Mike Baker 51:53 ... or whatever the fuck it is. Uh, I think we're just raising, you know, maybe we're just raising the next generation of, of morons.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Well, definitely the next generation of people that are completely dependent upon technology. I mean, kids can't even write cursive anymore. They stopped teaching that.

Mike Baker 52:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:08 Which is bizarre.

Mike Baker 52:09 That, I know. That was always my favorite class. That was the only class I did really well in-

Joe Rogan 52:12 (laughs)

Mike Baker 52:12 ... was cursive. (laughs) And phys ed. I did really well in phys ed.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Uh, I guess people think there's no reason to be able to write quickly because now you just type things out.

Mike Baker 52:22 Yeah. You type it out. Um, I still write. I, you know, uh, Emily's much better at it than I am, but, but I still write a letter occasionally, like... Right?

Joe Rogan 52:28 Well, you have to write your name.

Mike Baker 52:30 Yeah, I write my name, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:30 And name's in cursive.

Mike Baker 52:31 Yeah. But have you ever seen kids write or sign? You say, "Here, sign this." (chirping noise) They, no, they just, they, they, you know, spell it out, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:37 Oh.

Mike Baker 52:37 They're not cursive.

Joe Rogan 52:38 So they don't have a signature anymore.

Mike Baker 52:40 That's their signature. They don't have a signature, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:41 Hm.

Mike Baker 52:41 And, and that, that was a big day when you decided what your signature was gonna look like.

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yeah.

Mike Baker 52:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:45 I used to practice mine.

Mike Baker 52:46 Yeah. I did mine... I, I modeled mine after JFK's.

Joe Rogan 52:49 Really?

Mike Baker 52:49 I really did. Yeah, yeah. I thought 'Cause no one knows anyway, right?

Joe Rogan 52:52 Right.

Mike Baker 52:52 And, and so I just liked, okay, John F. Kennedy signed it like that. And so I, I practiced for a long time just to get it looking like that. Um, hm, and that's an old piece of information I don't think anybody ever had before. (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 53:03 Now they do.

Mike Baker 53:04 Now they do. Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:05 But we're gonna be definitely dependent. Uh, my kids have had kids in their class get busted for papers that they wrote on AI.

Mike Baker 53:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:13 'Cause they're so dumb, they don't realize, like, someone could just put...

Mike Baker 53:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:16 ... the same prompt into AI and get the exact same verbiage.

Mike Baker 53:19 Yeah. And they, and they do have... I mean, professors and teachers have, you know, the ability to use certain apps that will...

Joe Rogan 53:25 Mm-hmm.

Mike Baker 53:25 ... scan and, and see whether these things have been pulled together by AI. But, uh, I think it's, it's like a lot of other things. The offensive capability is gonna stay ahead of the defensive capability, right?

Joe Rogan 53:36 Right.

Mike Baker 53:36 So you're gonna, y- you're gonna get better and better and better at... And, and, and the defensive ability to judge what's AI-generated for in, in the world of academia is, uh, is gonna lag. Um, but it is. Yeah, I, I do think, and then going back to what we were talking about, uh, this, the level of disinformation coming into November is gonna be shocking for, I think, for some people, even if they haven't been paying attention. But, uh, a lot of people don't because a lot of people don't have the time. But, um, yeah. I, I think when we get there, when we, when we wake up and the election results are announced, you know, (laughs) three weeks later... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:13 Well, Pennsylvania's already saying they're not gonna be able to do it on Election Night.

Mike Baker 54:16 Yeah. What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 54:17 They used to.

Mike Baker 54:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:18 What'd you guys do?

Mike Baker 54:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:19 You know?

Mike Baker 54:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 We used to.

Mike Baker 54:20 Remember? You'd go to bed...

Joe Rogan 54:21 What happened...

Mike Baker 54:21 ... and you knew.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Yeah.

Mike Baker 54:22 You knew when you went to bed if you stayed up late. Uh...

Joe Rogan 54:24 But not only that, there's no pandemic. So why do we have all these mail-in ballots?

Mike Baker 54:28 Hm. Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:30 That seems kinda silly.

Mike Baker 54:32 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what else seems silly? And I, I, (laughs) I don't consider this to be voter suppression. Have a fucking ID to show that you're a US citizen, right?

Joe Rogan 54:40 That's racist.

Mike Baker 54:41 I, I, I know, I know. I apologize. But, but I do think it, it makes sense. You go to, you go to...

Joe Rogan 54:46 It 100% makes sense.

Mike Baker 54:47 Yeah. I couldn't vote in another country.

Joe Rogan 54:49 You should not be able...

Mike Baker 54:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:50 ... to vote here without an ID.

Mike Baker 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Just like you can't dr- get a driver's license. You have to have your fucking birth certificate. You have to, like... We have paperwork.

Mike Baker 54:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:59 It's, it's there for a reason, because people are full of shit. There's a lot of fraudsters out there. And if there's a way to mitigate fraud in the most important thing that we do...

Mike Baker 55:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 ... which is choose a leader, it's one of the most important things we do. We, we exercise our right to vote. And if you're gonna fuck with that, and if you are willfully making it so that it's easier to deceive people, that's crazy. That's crazy that we don't put a stop to that.

Mike Baker 55:24 Yeah. You would, you would think that, that would be the default position, is how do we mitigate the risk, right? And let's do it, again, fine, without voter suppression. Don't make it, uh, you know, difficult for a particular community or group or whatever to vote. Of course not. But...

Joe Rogan 55:41 (laughs)

Mike Baker 55:41 ... I don't think it's, it's asking too much to just say, "Okay, proof of citizenship, please." That's not... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:46 It doesn't seem like a big issue. In, um, Texas, they've, uh, they've canceled out a million potential votes that would have been illegal. See if you can find that.

Mike Baker 55:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:58 So, they found a bunch of people, I think a half a million that were registered to vote that were dead, and then there's a bunch of other people that were registered that were ineligible. There's a bu- And so the way they're framing it in Texas, the way I saw it framed in one newspaper, that Ken Paxton is going after Latinos because he doesn't want them to vote.

Mike Baker 56:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:17 1.1 million ineligible voters removed from Texas voter rolls. So, Texas has removed 1.1 million.

Mike Baker 56:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:24 That's a lot, folks.

Mike Baker 56:25 Look at that. 457,000 were deceased.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Yes, 457,000 deceased people.

Mike Baker 56:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:31 6,500 potential non-citizens. Um, and so top Texas Republicans have dedicated significant time and resources to targeting voter fraud, though cases in Texas are a c- exceedingly rare. Well, sh- I mean, the thing is... Just the fact that that's going on-

Mike Baker 56:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:49 ... that they found a million people that shouldn't be eligible.

Mike Baker 56:52 Like...

Joe Rogan 56:52 Like, that k- Goddamn, that could shift an election. How many people vote?

Mike Baker 56:56 Well, look, Georgia was decided by what? Twelve, 12,000, 1,200 votes?

Joe Rogan 57:00 Yeah.

Mike Baker 57:00 It was some ridiculously small number.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Yeah.

Mike Baker 57:02 Right? And that's the way this is going to be in November, is w- that the only people that matter going into November, frankly, are, um, you know, the undecideds, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:10 When you look at the accusations of voter fraud in 2020, does any of it stick? Does any of it where you look at it and go, "That is weird"?

Mike Baker 57:17 Um, I would say that in our current system, I don't have any evidence of, of actual, you know... Or I can't point to actual moments and say, "Yeah, look at that, that was voter fraud." But I will say this. Um, you may have heard me mention that I, you know, I have a company, Portman Square Group, that, that does a lot of things, including fraud investigations.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Heard y'all have podcasts, too.

Mike Baker 57:36 You know, the President's Daily Brief, um... By the way, um, our YouTube channel, @PresidentsDailyBrief, is killing it, uh, I'm told.

Joe Rogan 57:42 Oh.

Mike Baker 57:42 I'm told.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Congratulations.

Mike Baker 57:43 I'm told. I'm not sure. Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:45 So, you... What... Uh, uh, in terms of our system, I interrupted you-

Mike Baker 57:50 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 ... to tell you how awesome you are.

Mike Baker 57:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:51 But the... Your, your, your s- The system that we have, is there any evidence that you can point to that says, "This doesn't look right"?

Mike Baker 57:59 Well, what I... What I was going to say was that while I don't have evidence to a particular, uh, moment in time, uh, as someone who's done a lot of fraud investigations, you look for the opportunity to commit fraud, right? And it's like what you were just saying a moment ago, right? If you can button it up and make it more secure, why wouldn't you? Right? And so we've created an environment where there's definitely potential for fraud, right? There's no doubt about it. More so than if you had voter, um, you know, ID or just you had to provide ID to show citizenship, and if you did it in person, and if you got the results, and you didn't have massive early vo- voting, and you didn't have drop boxes and, and, you know, um (laughs) , uh, ballot harvesting. But, um... So we've, we've got a... We've got a, a, a process now that has created a wider playing field if, for people who may want to commit fraud. Right? And so (clears throat) , I'm a cynical person, so that, to me, says, "Yeah, there's gonna be fraud," or there has been fraud. Um, don't have specific examples, but I just know (laughs) from looking at a lot of fraud over the years, that's the way it works.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Well, voter fraud has always been a thing.

Mike Baker 59:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Right? Voter fraud has been a real problem from the beginning of voting because people are creepy, and people like to game the system, and they like to cheat, and they like to steal. And they like to do things where their side wins.

Mike Baker 59:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:27 And if they can figure out... Look, just think about the way they talk about Trump. The existential threat to democracy, kleptocrat, all these crazy terms that they use. They... Like, they can call him Hitler and then everything you do to keep Hitler from being in power is a good thing.

Mike Baker 59:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Including fraud.

Mike Baker 59:45 Yeah. You're justified because you're saving democracy.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Yeah, that's where-

Mike Baker 59:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:48 ... it gets scary.

Mike Baker 59:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Because then guess what, fuckface? You set a precedent, and now if the Republicans get in power, and they do the same thing and use the same playbook, then they're stealing it.

Mike Baker 59:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 And you can't fucking do that if you care about America. If you really are a patriot, you can't do that.

Mike Baker 1:00:06 We had a moment in time with the pandemic where, obviously, you had to make some adjustments to the way that people could vote, right? To, to accommodate the fact that you had a once-in-a-generation hopefully pandemic. And then I'm sure we're gonna have another one, goddammit. The WHO has declared a global health crisis for Africa for monkeypox.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 They've released that. They stopped.

Mike Baker 1:00:27 They stopped it?

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:00:28 Okay, okay. Good.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Let's try because I think-

Mike Baker 1:00:30 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 ... let's look at that because I think that's also because of pushback. 'Cause people are like, "What... First of all, what are you talking about?"

Mike Baker 1:00:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 "Uh, who's getting this?"

Mike Baker 1:00:37 Yeah, yeah. Um, well, it's, uh (laughs) ... They... I, I think they even pushed back on the f- on the f- on the f- on the, the name monkeypox. So I don't know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 It's Mpox.

Mike Baker 1:00:46 Mpox.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:00:47 Mpox, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 'Cause it's offensive to monkeys.

Mike Baker 1:00:49 Okay, Mpox.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 To blame them for this.

Mike Baker 1:00:51 So, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Well, it was a primarily, uh, an issue with the gay community in the beginning. So, in the beginning when they tried to call it a national health, uh, emergency, they tried to do this a couple of years ago. In the middle of COVID when people were starting to be a little bit more active-

Mike Baker 1:01:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 ... and less worried about COVID, they tried to push this monkeypox thing.

Mike Baker 1:01:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 But it's only four people died from it.

Mike Baker 1:01:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 And it was, uh, primarily spread sexually.

Mike Baker 1:01:16 Yeah, and they have a... They did say that the, the most recent, which was just, you know, within the past couple of weeks, I believe, um, alert, uh, or crisis alert for the entire, uh, continent of Africa was, was, uh... Because it was more, uh, virulent. It was more, it was more, uh, aggressive.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 I think they're saying it's spread airborne now.

Mike Baker 1:01:38 Yeah, and so because it was going to be more aggressive or because it was proving to be more aggressive than they, uh, they called it, but I for- I forgot that they changed the name to Mpox.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Did they ban... Did they drop the national or world health emergency? Did they drop that? 'Cause I was reading something that said they did.

Narrator 1:01:56 When I Google- when I Google it, it's only showing me like a (clears throat) two days ago, there was some u- uptick in New York City. Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 Yeah, I wonder where.

Narrator 1:02:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 (laughs) Some- it's a bathhouse disease all of a sudden.

Mike Baker 1:02:07 Wa- Wall Street?

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Yeah. (laughs)

Mike Baker 1:02:09 Uh, where?

Narrator 1:02:10 I can see from like two weeks ago, they had the alert, but I don't see anything about a recall or like a withdrawal or anything.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Hmm.

Mike Baker 1:02:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 But it-

Mike Baker 1:02:18 What would the word be, a withdrawal?

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Recall.

Narrator 1:02:20 Recall?

Mike Baker 1:02:21 Yeah.

Narrator 1:02:21 Yeah, I mean, I Googled that, nothing came up.

Mike Baker 1:02:22 But I digress.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Withdra- maybe try withdrawal.

Mike Baker 1:02:25 So, we expanded the voting parameters or the ability to vote for that moment in time for the pandemic, and yes, you would think reasonable people would say, "We don't have the pandemic. Let's at least go back to where we were before the pandemic," right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Right.

Mike Baker 1:02:38 In terms of when we could vote and- and how. But that didn't happen, and so then you have to ask yourself being, you know, a reasonable person, "Well, why?" What was- no, w- w- were they- would people just love the new process so much they thought, "Oh my God, we have to keep this"? Or was there some benefit to it that they saw? Um, anyway, I, again, i- i- it- I would be speculating if I pointed to a particular state or incident and say, "That was, you know, o- o- obvious case of voter fraud." But I do know for a fact that when you- when you expand the playing field for fraud, someone's gonna fill that gap. They're gonna come in and take advantage of it, and y- like you said, you know, people want to win.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 I'm just scared because of the rhetoric.

Mike Baker 1:03:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 And I- and I'm not just scared because I want one side to win. I'm scared because I think that by overzealously wanting their side to win and doing it so in a way that really isn't fair-

Mike Baker 1:03:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 ... that you set up a precedent where anybody can do that in the future and they think they're justified in doing that, and I feel like there's a lot of people that think 2020 was stolen.

Mike Baker 1:03:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 And Trump has said it over and over again. But by the way, Hillary said it in 2016-

Mike Baker 1:03:50 She- yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 ... over and over again.

Mike Baker 1:03:51 W- w- well, she- she f- f- for several years.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Yeah, they said Russia.

Mike Baker 1:03:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 Ru- and then, you know, there's always people saying he's a- a Russian plant, Russia put him into power, Russian disinformation is why he got-

Mike Baker 1:04:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 And meanwhile, you know, they were actively doing disinformation on- on their own, especially with the Biden laptop thing.

Mike Baker 1:04:09 Oh, God. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 The fact that with Zuckerberg coming out and saying that thing yesterday was fucking huge.

Mike Baker 1:04:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 That was huge, and releasing that statement, 'cause Mayorkas, didn't he- when he was testifying, he said they didn't do that under oath.

Mike Baker 1:04:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 So is that perjury?

Mike Baker 1:04:28 Yeah, well, I, you know, not being a lawyer, um, but I wo- (laughs) I would think that you had- you had conflicting things because you would also have, um, you would also have someone in government, you know, almost bragging about the fact that, you know, "Look, we're getting this disinformation taken down during the pandemic."

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Right.

Mike Baker 1:04:49 And so, yeah, Zuckerberg coming out and making this statement, I agree with you, it is huge. It's sort of Zuckerberg going, "Eh, what are you gonna do? We're gonna do better next time." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 "Well," he said, "we're not gonna engage in that anymore."

Mike Baker 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 "We're gonna push back." And he said they're not gonna promote one side or the other.

Mike Baker 1:05:08 There's a brilliant thought, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Crazy.

Mike Baker 1:05:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 It's a crazy thought.

Mike Baker 1:05:11 Oh my God, really? So you're- you run a- a- a free speech platform and you're not gonna promote one or the other? Well, what a fucking douchebag to now come up with the idea, right? Uh, um, yeah, so and- and I'm sure he's a smart fella, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 He's a smart fella-

Mike Baker 1:05:24 He is a smart fella.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 ... but I think he's also in an enormous corporation-

Mike Baker 1:05:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 ... and it's not like he's the only guy pulling strings over there.

Mike Baker 1:05:30 Yeah. That's- I'm sure that's true. That's like when, uh, Musk took over, uh, Twitter.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:05:35 And you had a lot of people jumping ship just, "Oh, I'm so upset," you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:05:39 Because now I can't engage in this censorship that I've been engaged in, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Yeah, exactly.

Mike Baker 1:05:43 And yeah, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 But it is a cesspool over there now.

Mike Baker 1:05:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 You can see some wild shit on Twitter, but you have to see the horrible shit if you wanna see everything.

Mike Baker 1:05:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 If you want to see everything, that means even things you don't agree with and don't like. That's part of free speech, and this is what Musk has been saying, and I 100% agree with him, and I wonder where we would be if he hadn't bought Twitter. I really do-

Mike Baker 1:06:06 What- yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 ... because there wouldn't be a platform like that where anybody can freely talk about anything and not worry about being- your account getting taken down and getting in trouble with the government.

Mike Baker 1:06:17 Yeah, 'cause I- I mean, I don't think people would have migrated en- en masse to what's Trump's thing? Truth Social. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 That didn't work.

Mike Baker 1:06:23 That didn't work out.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 And then-

Mike Baker 1:06:24 He's got 90 million followers, I read on, uh, X now.

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 Oh yeah, he's back on X. Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:06:29 He's back on it, but- but he's already up to 90 million.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Yeah, it's not shocking.

Mike Baker 1:06:33 Yeah, no, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Well, that's- and you look at polls on X when they've done- I think Musk might have done one. I think there's a few of them. It's like 73% said they're voting for Twum- for Trump.

Mike Baker 1:06:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 But you look on the polls that you see on television, b- Harris is ahead.

Mike Baker 1:06:47 Yeah. She's ahead-

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 Like three points or four points.

Mike Baker 1:06:48 Exactly. I was gonna say it's- it's neck and neck or Trump may have a two point or three point lead in a place like Ge- Georgia, but for the most part, she's pulled even and is slightly ahead.

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:06:58 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 But who the fuck are they polling? This is the problem.

Mike Baker 1:07:03 Yeah, I- again and- and- and I- I- there were a lot of people arguing about how- how accurate any polling is anymore, right? So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Well, look in 2016, it wasn't accurate at all-

Mike Baker 1:07:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 ... right? Because Hillary Clinton was like 84% to win.

Mike Baker 1:07:17 Right. Well, if somebody knocks on your door, they call you up and say, "Are you gonna vote for Trump?" You know, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, may go- decide, "Okay, I'm gonna vote for Trump, but I'm not gonna tell you I'm gonna vote for Trump."

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Right. No, I would never vote for him.

Mike Baker 1:07:26 Yeah. No, no, that seems unreasonable. So yeah, I- I- again, I don't know that you can trust a lot of the polls for either side, um, but I will say there's gonna be one unhappy group regardless-

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 Yeah.

Mike Baker 1:07:38 ... of the result.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 That's what I'm scared of.

Mike Baker 1:07:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 I'm scared of the violence.

Mike Baker 1:07:41 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 I'm scared that whichever side loses they- they might erupt, you know?

Mike Baker 1:07:46 They just got to keep their shit together, but I think even above and beyond, if people can do that and keep their shit together and not- not, you know, uh, not get in- into a violent situation, we're still going to be dealing then with four years...... of just dysfunctional bullshit, right? From - from one side or the other.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Right.

Mike Baker 1:08:05 Just - just harping on this and people having investigations and committees up on Capitol Hill, and w- you get to this point where it's just paralysis.

Joe Rogan 1:08:12 Right.

Mike Baker 1:08:12 Shit doesn't get done. And, uh, you know, I don't know. I think this - this - this one, I say this and then I piss off a lot of people who are very pro-Trump, but I'm really worried that, uh, you know... Because again, I... You know, I don't have a dog in the hunt for either individual, I just like policies, right? And particularly, I like national security issues and- and Homeland Security concerns and things like that. You can't really argue that the Republicans are the- the Party of- of small government or fiscal (laughs) responsibility anymore. But, I think certainly for border, uh, concerns, for national security, that's, I'm - I'm definitely on that side. Um, so I'm worried that, you know, Trump is - is... He's got a ceiling, right? He's got - he's got all the people who are always gonna vote for him, there's no doubt about that. But you don't really have to care about... I mean, you do care about them, but you don't have to worry about them, right? That ceiling only gets higher and allows him to win if he gets some of those moderates and the undecideds, the people who-

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 Well, I think that's-

Mike Baker 1:09:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 ... where RFK Jr. comes in.

Mike Baker 1:09:15 It could be, yeah.