Joe Rogan Experience #2202 - Tom Segura

Narrator 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Yeah, I- I- I've watched so many people get their legs broken.

Tom Segura 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:16 And I, I see it in, like, jujitsu videos all the time, where someone's, like, going for a heel hook-

Tom Segura 0:20 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:20 ... and then you hear this crack, and then the guy screams in agony. And then everybody's like, "Ugh."

Tom Segura 0:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:27 That's horrible.

Tom Segura 0:27 Yeah. And- And the arm ... There's a million arm wrestling videos.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Oh. I saw a guy and a girl arm wrestling, and the guy broke the girl's arm. I'm like, "What the fuck, man?"

Tom Segura 0:35 Oh, fuck. I was just like, "How does that ..." 'Cause I- I don't wanna do it ever again, really.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Arm wrestling?

Tom Segura 0:40 No.

Joe Rogan 0:40 No.

Tom Segura 0:40 I think it's stupid. But, like, for- for me to get involved in. (laughs) But, like, even when I'm just like, "Well, why is this happening?" And- And there was two, these two, uh, competitors, like pro-arm wrestlers, who were like, "Well, you never- you never wanna get away from your body."

Joe Rogan 0:55 Mm.

Tom Segura 0:56 So they're like, "Arms break once they're out here."

Joe Rogan 0:59 Mm.

Tom Segura 0:59 So you always ... They're like, "Keep- keep your- keep your arm in tight."

Joe Rogan 1:03 Mm.

Tom Segura 1:04 Like, arms don't break when you're here.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Right.

Tom Segura 1:06 But if- once you get extension, they're like, "That's when-"

Joe Rogan 1:08 It's the dumbest macho thing that we do.

Tom Segura 1:11 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Like, guys aren't like, "You wanna arm wrestle, bro?"

Tom Segura 1:13 I did it with you once. I did it with you in Louisville. Do you remember?

Joe Rogan 1:15 (laughs) No.

Tom Segura 1:15 It was a horrifying experience. It was, um, it was after a sh- ... We did a show in Louisville at the, uh, club. I think it was tied to a old- like, a UFC.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Oh, okay.

Tom Segura 1:25 One of those.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:25 It was back in the day. And we went to a- a bar afterwards, and we're shooting pool. Somebody said, "Arm wrestling." I was like ... And you were like, "You wanna do it?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:33 (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:33 I was like, "Sure." I would- Dude, I couldn't believe how strong you were. I mean, I know you're strong, but I was like ... You're like, "Go," and I was like, "I am going, dude." (laughs) Like, I couldn't get any fucking movement. I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:43 Well, your fucking- that dude that works for you, that was the most ridiculous.

Tom Segura 1:47 That was hilarious. That was-

Joe Rogan 1:48 D- D- Do you think he just does that because he just wants attention?

Tom Segura 1:51 No. I- I think ... I mean, there might be a little bit of that, but I really think, that's Enyj, he has this thing. It's probably just, you know, it's- it's- it's part of his wiring. It's probably gotten him somewhere in life, in- in some ways, where he just goes-

Joe Rogan 2:07 He's being delusional.

Tom Segura 2:07 Being delusional about, um, "I can't lose. Like, if I- if I- if somebody says, 'I can beat you,'" and they- like, "They can't beat me." And you're like, "What are you talking about?" And then when you were pulling up, I was like, "Why don't you fucking ask him?" 'Cause I already knew what was gonna happen. And then he also loves to gamble. I was like, "Yeah, I'll take that action."

Joe Rogan 2:24 (laughs)

Tom Segura 2:25 So- So, uh, yeah, that's Enyj. And, yeah, he-

Joe Rogan 2:28 But he's not even a strong guy, that's why it was so confusing.

Tom Segura 2:30 I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:32 I was looking at him, I'm like, "You wanna arm wrestle?" Like-

Tom Segura 2:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:35 ... you're not even a strong guy. Like, you don't, like-

Tom Segura 2:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:38 There's probably a lot of things you could do better than me, but this one-

Tom Segura 2:40 This one you got. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:41 This is silly. This one's silly.

Tom Segura 2:43 But then, it is funny how our capacity for delusion is just incredible, and- and like-

Joe Rogan 2:49 It can serve you well.

Tom Segura 2:50 It can.

Joe Rogan 2:51 If you get lucky, right?

Tom Segura 2:53 Yeah. I- I think ... The two things I think- I think about, one of my friends was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer, and he found out at stage four.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Oof.

Tom Segura 3:04 Right? Like, had to go to the hospital, like, 'cause his wife was like, "You're fucking sweating, and you're, you know, heavy breathing." It was after one of my shows. And so they- they go, and then the next day, they're like, "It's stage four lung cancer." And all the doctors were like, you know, "This is, uh, say goodbye to your friend." You know? And his brother found a- the expert, like, in this specific type of ... 'Cause there's, you know, there's, in oncology, there's, like, a g- like, really specialized types of cancer and treatment. And I remember talking to him, and he was like, "You know, I'm gonna beat this thing." And I was looking at him, and I was like, like, "You're so stupid." You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 3:51 (laughs)

Tom Segura 3:52 Like, "You're definitely gonna die." (laughs) But the thing is, I saw that he believed it, 1,000% believed it.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah.

Tom Segura 4:00 And as he got better, I was like, "This guy's fucking delusion is serving him in this." Like, I- I think most pe- Like, I remember when my uncle got, uh, mesothelioma, and he was, like, a- a high-level urologist at the Mayo Clinic. And I remembered, when I was talking to my dad about it, he was like, "Yeah, he's too- he's too smart to ... He can read the labs. He knows what he has." Like, he- he's too smart to- to go, like, "I'm gonna beat this thing."

Joe Rogan 4:28 Oh.

Tom Segura 4:28 You know what I mean? Like, you're- you're just-

Joe Rogan 4:29 Right.

Tom Segura 4:29 ... so well-versed.

Joe Rogan 4:30 But is it a delusional thing, or has that guy had other success in life because he's just super determined?

Tom Segura 4:35 I mean, he- he's certainly a determined guy, and- and successful in what he does. But ... What's up, s- big head Steve? I'm talking about you.

Joe Rogan 4:43 (laughs) Yo, big head Steve.

Tom Segura 4:44 Uh, ............................ But I really was like ... I credited this guy's ... Like, I- it- it felt like a level of delusion to believe you were gonna survive this.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Right. But if he's correct, and he was correct-

Tom Segura 4:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:55 ... then it's not delusional.

Tom Segura 4:57 Cor- correct. Correct, yes.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Right?

Tom Segura 4:58 But you always-

Joe Rogan 4:58 Which is kind of crazy.

Tom Segura 4:59 It is kinda crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:00 That the doctors were like, "You're dead."

Tom Segura 5:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:02 And what if he just decides, "I'm dead," and he starts freaking out, or maybe he goes to Oregon and gets assisted suicide?

Tom Segura 5:07 And so many people go down that path-

Joe Rogan 5:09 Yeah.

Tom Segura 5:09 ... right? Like, but you're right.

Joe Rogan 5:10 But they're- they're whacking people left and right up in Canada.

Tom Segura 5:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Like, if you're depressed.

Tom Segura 5:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Like, if you're not feeling good, come on in.

Tom Segura 5:16 Sign up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:16 Fucking sign up for the program, we'll get rid of you.

Tom Segura 5:18 Where else is- it's- it's not-

Joe Rogan 5:19 They'll just kill you.

Tom Segura 5:19 In Europe, they ... And, uh, in the Netherlands, don't they do that? Somewhere, uh, else.

Joe Rogan 5:23 I don't know- I'm sure.

Tom Segura 5:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:24 I'm sure it's other countries, but it's a recent thing in Canada, where they're just whacking people.

Tom Segura 5:29 I didn't know they were doing that to that degree.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, Google it. Google it, because, uh, this is something you'll actually find on Google. (laughs) It's like, it's assisted suicide in Canada.

Tom Segura 5:37 The other delusion that I- 'Cause I- I just watched the Scott Peterson, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:44 Is that the Laci Peterson that went-

Tom Segura 5:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:46 So is that one w- what ... Is the new one where people are saying maybe he didn't kill her?

Tom Segura 5:51 No. It's- it's essentially ... It's- it's fantastic. It's on Netflix. I think it's a three-part docuseries, and it begins ...... with r- 'cause, you know, it's like this reminder. It, it was 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Right.

Tom Segura 6:03 You s- you know, time just ... You're just like, "Oh, shit, that's-"

Joe Rogan 6:04 What was that story? How did that one go?

Tom Segura 6:06 So that one-

Joe Rogan 6:07 "Canada's controversial medically-assisted death program is the fastest growing in the world." Damn.

Tom Segura 6:12 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 6:13 "Since suicide became legal in Canada, the number of deaths have grown each year." So this is August, so this is just, uh, last month. So what is it saying in terms of the numbers? They've r- most recent data shows 13,241 people-

Tom Segura 6:27 Damn.

Joe Rogan 6:27 ... in 2022.

Narrator 6:28 2022 it's only 1,000.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Wow.

Tom Segura 6:30 Wow, that's quite a jump.

Joe Rogan 6:31 That's a jump, bro. So 2022 was 13,000. Who knows what 2023 and 2024 is?

Tom Segura 6:37 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 6:38 They're whacking people up there.

Tom Segura 6:39 That's pretty wild.

Joe Rogan 6:39 You feeling good, Kenny? Come on in.

Tom Segura 6:41 I'm in.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Come on in. What, your foot hurt?

Tom Segura 6:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:43 (laughs)

Tom Segura 6:43 My leg hurts, man.

Joe Rogan 6:44 I'm just sad. Get in here.

Tom Segura 6:46 Get me in.

Joe Rogan 6:46 Fuck life.

Tom Segura 6:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Fuck life.

Tom Segura 6:47 That's a great tap out fucking uh, option. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:50 It, it's cra- ... I mean, what is this? Is this like, uh ... I mean, is it a kinda eugenics? Like, what is it?

Tom Segura 6:56 Uh-

Joe Rogan 6:56 Like, what, what i- what is it? I mean, you could say it's being compassionate in, in some cases, like Michael Lehrer, you know, he went to Oregon.

Tom Segura 7:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:04 But Michael Lehrer was ... His body was failing so horribly.

Tom Segura 7:08 Wh-

Joe Rogan 7:08 He couldn't talk anymore.

Tom Segura 7:09 That was ALS?

Joe Rogan 7:10 Yes.

Tom Segura 7:11 It ... Wasn't that the same thing that, uh, ravaged that ... What was the famous woman that it was a huge international case here? Do you remember? Um ...

Narrator 7:19 Uh, it was Terri Schiavo.

Tom Segura 7:21 Terri Schiavo? Was it Terri Schiavo?

Joe Rogan 7:22 Right. I don't know if she had the same thing.

Tom Segura 7:23 And she ... But she had this horrible debilitating-

Joe Rogan 7:27 Yeah, and you're still alive.

Tom Segura 7:28 ... disease where you-

Joe Rogan 7:29 And at the end he, his like ... It kept getting worse and worse.

Tom Segura 7:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:33 And wasn't getting better, so he went to Oregon to do it. He actually went to Oregon once and then changed his mind and came back.

Tom Segura 7:38 And when you sign up for that in Canada, can you just go, like, "That's just what I want." Doesn't matter-

Joe Rogan 7:43 I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. But I know that some people were very upset about it because you're taking people that maybe you could talk them off the ledge.

Tom Segura 7:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:52 Maybe they could've got better. Maybe with some love and some friendship and some counseling and some therapy-

Tom Segura 7:58 But they wouldn't take that option.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Yeah, maybe they'd be happy.

Tom Segura 8:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:01 I've, I've met ... I've known quite a few people that have taken their own life.

Tom Segura 8:05 Yeah, I know a few that have done it too. Um, and it's always super sad. I mean, 'cause I don't anybody that's done it, with the exception of Michael. Um, I don't know anybody that s- that's done it, um, in, in the case of a, you know, uh ...

Joe Rogan 8:19 Like a medically assisted?

Tom Segura 8:20 No, no.

Joe Rogan 8:20 No, Michael's the only one that I know about that.

Tom Segura 8:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:22 But, you know, there's Brody.

Tom Segura 8:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Brody was a hard one. There was my friend Tony who was a pool player up in San Francisco. He jumped off the bridge.

Tom Segura 8:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:31 Which is, uh, crazy that there's a spot where everybody goes.

Tom Segura 8:34 Yeah, one of my, um, college ... When I, I had jobs. Uh, I worked ... When I had ... When I was in college, I worked the whole time. I had jo- you know, part-time jobs. And one of my coworkers did. It was fucking terrible, man.

Joe Rogan 8:46 (groans)

Tom Segura 8:46 And like our boss went to his apartment and found him there.

Joe Rogan 8:49 (groans)

Tom Segura 8:50 It was terrible.

Joe Rogan 8:51 (groans)

Tom Segura 8:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:53 You know, for some people, they don't think it's ever gonna get better.

Tom Segura 8:57 I know.

Joe Rogan 8:57 And, you know ... And if you don't have support around you, you don't have someone that you can ... that can pick you up. And it's crazy how someone can pick you up. It's crazy how you can be just feeling like total, complete shit, and someone who cares about you can come over to your house, take you out, have some laughs.

Tom Segura 9:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 And you're like, "I think I feel better."

Tom Segura 9:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:17 'Cause we feel better around people.

Tom Segura 9:19 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Some, some people are super isolated too.

Tom Segura 9:22 That's, that's the dangerous one.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 9:24 And I think one of the things I realized as I got older is you don't realize how many people are lonely in this world.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Right.

Tom Segura 9:31 Like, you get older, I'm saying, 'cause you, you encounter more people.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 9:35 And you, you talk to people who ... Like, you realize you have this, like, full life that you ... you know, you could take for granted. Like, you have family-

Joe Rogan 9:41 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 9:41 ... you have friends, you have all these things going on.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 9:44 And then you, you meet people who, they don't have any of that.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Yeah.

Tom Segura 9:48 And they're alone. And that's-

Joe Rogan 9:49 There's a lot of those out there, you know?

Tom Segura 9:50 There's a lot of people that are very lonely.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Well, there's also this internet culture too, right? So there's people that don't have actual physical contact with anyone.

Tom Segura 9:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:57 So all their interaction is with people online.

Tom Segura 10:00 And it's a ... That's a dark place too.

Joe Rogan 10:01 They're streaming all day and-

Tom Segura 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:03 ... chatting all day on 'Gram, and jerking off, and it's madness.

Tom Segura 10:08 Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's not, uh ... That's not a path to, um, fulfillment, is isolated online.

Joe Rogan 10:15 No.

Tom Segura 10:16 And also, you, you don't ... Sometimes ... I don't have it to that degree, but you're, you're online for a while on something, and then you go into the real world and you're like, "Oh, yeah, I'm like ... I was just living in this make-believe place for a while."

Joe Rogan 10:31 Right.

Tom Segura 10:31 You don't realize it's not real.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Right, right. You live in this make-believe place, and you're not having any of the normal human contact that we thrive on.

Tom Segura 10:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:40 All your contact is like this weird, like, displaced, not connected. It's all weird.

Tom Segura 10:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:47 Which is like if you go to someone's c- t- twitter profile and you see that they're online 12 hours a day just fucking barking at people. (laughs)

Tom Segura 10:55 (laughs) I know.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Like a dog.

Tom Segura 10:57 And it's given them some charge, right?

Joe Rogan 10:59 Like ... Yeah.

Tom Segura 10:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:59 It's like yet an ann- ann- annoying dog next door. (barking noise)

Tom Segura 11:03 Just ... And then just baiting people all day.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Bro. Speaking of baiting, did you watch the debate?

Tom Segura 11:07 Yeah. (laughs)

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Tom Segura 13:07 I forgot how-

Joe Rogan 13:08 Bro, let me tell you, before I say anything, I just wanna say, whoever's helping her, whoever's coaching her-

Tom Segura 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 ... whoever's the puppet master running the strings-

Tom Segura 13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:18 ... you did a fucking amazing job. They-

Tom Segura 13:20 She did a great job.

Joe Rogan 13:20 They did an amazing job from the moment Biden drops out, forcing Biden to drop out, right? Whatever they're doing, whoever's writing those speeches-

Tom Segura 13:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 ... getting her to deliver them, coaching her-

Tom Segura 13:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:32 ... she's nailing it. She nailed that one speech. She's like, "Say it to my face."

Tom Segura 13:37 Oh, yeah, she-

Joe Rogan 13:37 And there was cheering.

Tom Segura 13:38 Yeah, th- she nailed it, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:40 And then last night, to me, when I was like, "Oh my God, this is jujitsu." Where she was like, "If you go to his rallies, his crowds are boring, they're tired, they all leave early."

Tom Segura 13:50 They're all leaving early.

Joe Rogan 13:50 "My crowds are the best crowds."

Tom Segura 13:51 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:51 "I have the number one crowd."

Tom Segura 13:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:53 He couldn't help himself.

Tom Segura 13:54 'Cause... And she got him. She baited him on that.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Oh, one-

Tom Segura 13:57 She walked him right into it.

Joe Rogan 13:58 100%. 100%.

Tom Segura 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 See, the difference in that debate was not a difference in, like, who's gonna have better policies?

Tom Segura 14:04 No.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Who's gonna be better for the country? The difference in the debate, in my opinion, was who was better prepared?

Tom Segura 14:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:10 She was way better prepared.

Tom Segura 14:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:13 And even when it came to answering tough questions, instead of answering, she would just say things that she believes.

Tom Segura 14:19 Yes, sure.

Joe Rogan 14:20 And they sounded real good.

Tom Segura 14:21 They... Yeah, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 14:22 And that's the sound bite.

Tom Segura 14:23 That's called being a savvy politician.

Joe Rogan 14:24 It's also called being someone who's working with a team-

Tom Segura 14:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:28 ... versus someone who's like, "They, they-"

Tom Segura 14:29 I don't need to fuckin'-

Joe Rogan 14:30 "... said, Trump, that deal was the best deal."

Tom Segura 14:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:33 They've never seen a deal like this before. They said, "How did you put that deal together?"

Tom Segura 14:36 People thought that was just brilliant.

Joe Rogan 14:38 (laughs)

Tom Segura 14:38 Yeah, no, he's like (laughs) ...

Joe Rogan 14:39 That's the, he, he's not working with a team that's like... I mean, I know he's doing, like, mock debates. I know he did one with, I think he did one-

Tom Segura 14:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:46 ... with Tulsi Gabbard, but someone needs to, like, tell him, like, y- y- th- you've got these tiny little windows, and you should have all the words ready for those windows.

Tom Segura 14:56 He started out-

Joe Rogan 14:57 There should be no repeating things.

Tom Segura 14:59 Yeah. He started out strong.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah.

Tom Segura 15:00 Um, 'cause I, I, you know, y- out of the gate, everybody can't help but get in their own way w- of who they are, right?

Joe Rogan 15:07 Right.

Tom Segura 15:07 And for him, it's like, "Okay, don't get fucking crazy." Like, I'm sure, you know, the, the thing is like-

Joe Rogan 15:13 (growls)

Tom Segura 15:13 ... "Don't say wild shit. Don't-"

Joe Rogan 15:15 "Don't say people are eating cats." (laughs)

Tom Segura 15:16 "... saying cats and dogs." Um, and, you know, uh, "'They're fucking coming in here eating all our pets.'"

Joe Rogan 15:22 (gasps) (laughs)

Tom Segura 15:23 And, y- you know, you're just watching and you're like-

Joe Rogan 15:25 Uh-huh.

Tom Segura 15:25 ... you're watching this thing and you're like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 15:27 (laughs)

Tom Segura 15:27 "And... (laughs) This is fucking insane." And then for her, it, they're just basically like, "Don't laugh like a stripper." Like, how you-

Joe Rogan 15:33 Right, right, right.

Tom Segura 15:33 Every time you come to a podium, you're like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:36 Well, that's their panic.

Tom Segura 15:37 It's like, calm down.

Joe Rogan 15:38 It's a pa- it's, it's a move that, like, comics will do when their material's not that good. They laugh at it.

Tom Segura 15:42 They laugh through it.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Yeah.

Tom Segura 15:43 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Yeah, yeah.

Tom Segura 15:44 But then you remember, you know, this is somebody, like, take away your, your politics or whatever you believe, this is a former prosecutor. It is a, it's a trainable person.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Yes.

Tom Segura 15:53 Right? If you're a, if you're a prosecutor, you can, you can get the information-

Joe Rogan 15:57 Yeah.

Tom Segura 15:58 ... and regurgitate it.

Joe Rogan 15:59 She's not dumb, by any stretch.

Tom Segura 16:01 No.

Joe Rogan 16:01 See, people wanna say she's dumb because she's not good off the cuff when pressure's on her. But you don't understand what that kind of pressure's like. Like, the kind of pressure that that lady has been under for the last... Let's think about the pressure she's been under for the last four years being Vice President.

Tom Segura 16:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Everybody hates her.

Tom Segura 16:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:18 She... A lot of gaffes, a lot of dumb things, so every time she's saying something, in the back of her head she's like, "Don't fuck this up."

Tom Segura 16:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 "They're gonna come for you, they're gonna use this against you. Don't, don't say, 'Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?'"

Tom Segura 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:32 "Don't say that one again."

Tom Segura 16:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:33 You know what I mean? It's like-

Tom Segura 16:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 ... so there's that kind of pressure-

Tom Segura 16:35 It's a lot of pressure.

Joe Rogan 16:35 ... so it's very hard off the cuff. But when you give her time and prepare her-

Tom Segura 16:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 ... like last night-

Tom Segura 16:41 It's a good showing for her, for sure.

Joe Rogan 16:43 Very, very good showing. And unfortunately for him, like, the thing that he does that it's just, look, he can do it better than anybody alive, is just riff. He can go out there-

Tom Segura 16:53 He-

Joe Rogan 16:53 ... and have a crowd of people, and just... And he's funny, man. He does things about like... He did an Elon impression the other day.

Tom Segura 16:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:59 It was hilarious.

Tom Segura 16:59 He's, he's very funny.

Joe Rogan 17:00 He's killing.

Tom Segura 17:01 People-

Joe Rogan 17:02 He kills like a comedian.

Tom Segura 17:03 ... who don't like the guy still will have to acknowledge that he's funny.

Joe Rogan 17:07 He's funny.

Tom Segura 17:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:08 He's funny like a comic.

Tom Segura 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:10 You know. It's just, like, we don't necessarily want that as the guy b- with his finger on the button. That's all it is.

Tom Segura 17:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 17:16 That's the thing that freaks people out. But the policies that he had when he was in pl- the thing is, everyone's saying he's gonna be a dictator. Well, he wasn't a dictator. He was the president.

Tom Segura 17:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:24 He actually was the president for four years, and the economy really did well.

Tom Segura 17:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:28 And he really did try to cut some of the bullshit down that's going on in this country.

Tom Segura 17:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:32 And who knows what would have happened if he had four more years? Maybe we would have been economically better off, even if you don't like that one person to be, like, the figurehead of the country that you identify with 'cause you live here. You don't wanna identify with this guy that you think is blustery and-

Tom Segura 17:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:46 ... you know.

Tom Segura 17:47 Well, the thing is, he's gonna... You know, we have like 55 days or something, and, uh, the thing that's really gonna happen now is you... I think he realizes... When it, when she first was announced, I'm sure most people, myself included, were like, "This is... He's just gonna destroy her." Like this-

Joe Rogan 18:02 Right.

Tom Segura 18:02 I, I didn't think she was even gonna have a chance. But now you realize this is gonna be, I believe, a-... a, a much closer race. I guess-

Joe Rogan 18:10 It's close as fuck. It's probably, she's probably ahead now.

Tom Segura 18:12 I think s-

Joe Rogan 18:13 After the last ... Like, what is the late ... I saw the Fox News poll, it's hilarious.

Tom Segura 18:15 Oh, fucking ...

Joe Rogan 18:16 Fox News is like, "90% Trump won."

Tom Segura 18:18 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:18 They're eating cats, I saw. (laughs)

Tom Segura 18:20 (laughs) No. They're killing-

Joe Rogan 18:21 I saw on Facebook.

Tom Segura 18:22 ... they're killing newborn babies, um-

Joe Rogan 18:24 By the way, I think they are eating cats.

Tom Segura 18:26 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 18:26 I think some people are eating cats.

Tom Segura 18:27 Sure.

Joe Rogan 18:27 I think you get a bunch of poor people that are from an island where they occasionally eat cats-

Tom Segura 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 ... and you throw them in a city where there's 50,000 people, you throw 20,000 people in there, and there's ducks at the pond-

Tom Segura 18:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:38 ... I'm not gonna go get a duck if I'm hungry.

Tom Segura 18:39 Sure. Well, my fucking son took one out of there, so I, I wouldn't even-

Joe Rogan 18:42 (laughs)

Tom Segura 18:42 He grabbed it by the neck. So, yeah, I would not (laughs) ju- not believe a, a-

Joe Rogan 18:47 Yeah, dude, if I was starving, if I just came from another country and there's ducks laying around, I'd grab a duck.

Tom Segura 18:52 Yeah. Sure. I don't think it's that crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:53 The, the, that's not their fault. Like, how the fuck did they get here? (laughs) How'd you get 20,000 shipped to one town?

Tom Segura 19:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:00 Like, what? What is that?

Tom Segura 19:01 No, I- it's-

Joe Rogan 19:02 What's the real story behind that?

Tom Segura 19:04 The-

Joe Rogan 19:04 Is that organized?

Tom Segura 19:05 The immigration issue is a legit, real issue and this go- it's in our state predominantly too, you know, because we're-

Joe Rogan 19:11 It's a lot of it here, yeah.

Tom Segura 19:13 Yeah. So, I mean-

Joe Rogan 19:13 A lot of it in California, a lot of it in Arizona. But it, it's a real issue.

Tom Segura 19:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 And, look, you and I are both the products of immigration. Immigration is fucking awesome. But, hey, maybe when they do stuff that's bad, you should put them in jail. Like-

Tom Segura 19:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 ... hey, maybe. Hey, maybe you should use the same laws on them. Hey, maybe-

Tom Segura 19:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:30 ... if ... We should check to see if they're murderers before they come across the border?

Tom Segura 19:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Hey, maybe.

Tom Segura 19:34 I know. It's-

Joe Rogan 19:34 Hey, maybe.

Tom Segura 19:35 It's a, the, this ... They just turned ... I mean, this current administration just was like, "Oh, yeah, we should," just recently.

Joe Rogan 19:41 Do you think the, but they, recently, I think it's they're also flying people in, which is f- crazy. But recently, um, I think it's because they want people that are on the fence. You know, the people that are on the fence, 'cause this is not-

Tom Segura 19:54 That's, that's all it plays to.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah.

Tom Segura 19:55 It's all that matters.

Joe Rogan 19:56 But once they're in, again, if they're in again, they'll probably do the same thing. Because what you're doing is you're essentially changing states that are swing states into blue. Because if you're gonna give these people money and debit cards and food stamps and, and let them come in, and even, they're even talking about gender reassignment surgeries-

Tom Segura 20:13 Yeah, I heard this. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 I, I don't know if that's true.

Tom Segura 20:15 I don't know if it's true either.

Joe Rogan 20:15 Find out if that's true. 'Cause that i- i- that's part of the problem with this whole, "People are eating cats." It's like you don't fucking know what's true anymore.

Tom Segura 20:23 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 20:23 And if you just read things on the internet or you hear things on the radio, who fucking knows what's true?

Tom Segura 20:28 Which is why, like, 'cause a lot of people were also, you know, talking about the moderators interjecting a bunch, right?

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yes.

Tom Segura 20:34 But, like, part of that, I mean, feels like you kind of need some of that interjecting, because otherwise things are just said, and you-

Joe Rogan 20:43 Right.

Tom Segura 20:44 ... have zero idea of what-

Joe Rogan 20:45 100%.

Tom Segura 20:46 I mean, the big one to me of, like, you, and this is why you need to have somebody interject at times, is when he said to her, like, "You went and negotiated with Zelenskyy and Putin."

Joe Rogan 20:55 Right.

Tom Segura 20:56 And then, blah, blah, and then just moves on. Well, if you're a regular person at home, that, you know, you work and you take care of your family, you don't know the ins and outs of, of diplomacy and what's happening internationally. You hear that, and you just go, "Oh, I didn't know that."

Joe Rogan 21:09 Right.

Tom Segura 21:09 So you kinda have to have somebody go, "Wait a minute. You didn't negotiate with Putin?"

Joe Rogan 21:13 Right.

Tom Segura 21:13 She's never met him.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Right. Uh, Harris told ACLU in 2019 she supports cuts of, uh, f- to IC- ICE funding and providing gender transition surgery to detain migrants.

Tom Segura 21:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:26 Well, that, that is crazy.

Tom Segura 21:27 Yeah, and also-

Joe Rogan 21:28 Like, uh, that, that is, that's just-

Tom Segura 21:30 But she's-

Joe Rogan 21:30 ... September 9th.

Tom Segura 21:31 She's gonna do what politicians do, which she, she's in the midst of this right now.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Yeah.

Tom Segura 21:36 Which is just going, "Yeah, I've changed on that." R- she did it, like, five times last night. Al- alone, like, "Didn't you say this?" She's like, "Yeah, I changed. I'm now on this." Like, that's what-

Joe Rogan 21:45 Well, that's a good thing-

Tom Segura 21:46 Yeah, you, you-

Joe Rogan 21:46 ... if people can change. This idea of flip-flopping when you learn more information, no. Stick to your guns.

Tom Segura 21:51 No, no.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Say that stupid shit you first believed in.

Tom Segura 21:52 You can evolve and change, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Stay there forever.

Tom Segura 21:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 That's dumb. Yeah. Uh, you should definitely could evolve and you could be wrong. And that's part of being a good leader, is recognizing you're wrong and correcting your course. That's all good. What is going on with the ear- earrings?

Tom Segura 22:07 The earrings?

Joe Rogan 22:07 Do you know about this, the earring controversy?

Tom Segura 22:10 No. No.

Joe Rogan 22:10 Okay.

Narrator 22:10 That's all I've heard.

Joe Rogan 22:11 So, there are people that believe that what she was wearing last night was the type of earring that they use for, um, y- it's like an, it's an earpiece. Like, you can talk through it.

Tom Segura 22:24 No.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Yeah.

Tom Segura 22:25 Really?

Joe Rogan 22:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 22:26 But why, why would she have to? I ju- I saw her too.

Joe Rogan 22:28 So someone could talk to her.

Narrator 22:29 Anybody.

Joe Rogan 22:29 So someone could coach her.

Narrator 22:30 Don't they have better ear, ear, earpieces than ...

Joe Rogan 22:32 Well, no, Jamie. They want one that looks like a fucking earring so you can just wear it. Duh. Like, if you have one that looks like an earpiece, like, oh, like if Trump-

Tom Segura 22:41 Well-

Joe Rogan 22:41 ... had one right through the bullet hole-

Tom Segura 22:42 This, this is definitely-

Joe Rogan 22:43 ... or a wire through his bullet hole-

Tom Segura 22:43 ... gonna take off if they're already saying this.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Yeah.

Narrator 22:46 This is going on Twitter, I'll-

Joe Rogan 22:47 But here's the thing, it does look exactly-

Narrator 22:50 Like?

Joe Rogan 22:50 ... like the ones that they use for, uh, with, what are they called? Nova Earphones.

Tom Segura 22:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:56 So there's a video. I'll s- I'll send you the video, uh, Jamie. But there's a video of this, uh, thing in action. It's pretty fucking interesting. Because, um, in the video, they're just, they're showing that these, uh, little earphones, like it's a commercial. And it's pretty cool.

Tom Segura 23:14 Hm.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah.

Tom Segura 23:17 So, um, is the actual ear-

Joe Rogan 23:20 See if you can find-

Tom Segura 23:21 Like, if you a- if you have the real thing, di- do you wear it as an earring?

Joe Rogan 23:23 Yeah.

Tom Segura 23:24 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah, you wear it as an earring. Goddammit, did I save it? I might've saved it on Twitter or not Instagram. But it's, uh ... Do you find it ... There's a video.

Narrator 23:33 We'll find the video and send it.

Joe Rogan 23:34 It's kinda cool. Well, y- it's cool because I like all that spy, espionage-type shit. It's fucking interesting.

Tom Segura 23:41 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 23:41 But, uh, if she really did do that ... First of all, if she didn't do that, bring those earrings, allow them to be investigated, please.

Tom Segura 23:49 Sure.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Just the ones that you wore, just-

Tom Segura 23:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 ... we'll trust you. Take those.

Tom Segura 23:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Like, 'cause you can't really get a pair made that aren't those-

Tom Segura 23:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:56 ... if you have those. Like, so this is what it looks like.

Tom Segura 23:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:59 So, um, there's a, there's a different commercial that I saw. It's, this is so, it's pretty cool. So, like, these are earrings.... but they're actually earphones. So, like, you can listen to music, all kinds of shit. Or you could have people give you instructions and say, "Hey, make fun of the crowds. Make fun... Now, now's their time."

Tom Segura 24:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:19 Make fun of... Smile, smile. He's talking about eating cats. (laughs)

Tom Segura 24:23 Yeah, put your hand-

Joe Rogan 24:24 Don't get mad.

Tom Segura 24:24 ... put your hand on your chin.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Don't, don't cackle.

Tom Segura 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 So, these are, uh, actual earphones, which is really crazy.

Tom Segura 24:29 Yeah, those are really cool. Yeah, I didn't, I did not realize that.

Joe Rogan 24:31 And so that's exactly what the ones looked like that she was wearing.

Tom Segura 24:35 Um, well that'll be a new-

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yeah.

Tom Segura 24:38 ... thing to run with.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Yeah. Fun times.

Tom Segura 24:41 Fun time... These, these next 55 days are gonna be...

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah. They're gonna be bonkers, man.

Tom Segura 24:46 I forgot.

Joe Rogan 24:46 That's awesome.

Tom Segura 24:46 I forgot how crazy it gets. Just the energy and chaos that he brings.

Joe Rogan 24:51 Oh my God, every time I go on Twitter I get fucking anxiety.

Tom Segura 24:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:54 I should send it to you, Jim. You can see the comparison side by side of the two of them.

Tom Segura 24:58 Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be nutty, dude.

Joe Rogan 25:00 Yeah, it's terrifying.

Tom Segura 25:00 And then when we get into November it's gonna... Oh my fucking God.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Terrifying. I'm just scared that someone's gonna do something really stupid.

Tom Segura 25:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Like some extremists on either side that really do believe you're gonna take away the trans kids or really do believe you're gonna destroy the country from the inside.

Tom Segura 25:14 I hope, I hope.

Joe Rogan 25:14 So, that's what it looks like.

Tom Segura 25:16 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:17 Real fucking similar.

Tom Segura 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:20 Yeah. Real fucking similar. I don't know. You know? I don't know if that's what she was wearing. She might have just been wearing earrings. But if they have the kind of technology like that for regular people and you could do that, and most people aren't aware of it, you can get it off because the ABC people aren't aware of it.

Tom Segura 25:36 Sure.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Sneak it in, baby.

Tom Segura 25:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be rad.

Joe Rogan 25:40 It's fun.

Tom Segura 25:40 I'd respect it so much. (laughs) I'd be like, "That'd be so fucking awesome."

Joe Rogan 25:43 Look, whatever you, wherever you stand politically left or right, you gotta respect what she did last night. She did a great showing.

Tom Segura 25:49 She did.

Joe Rogan 25:49 She did, she did a great job.

Tom Segura 25:50 She did.

Joe Rogan 25:51 But it just, whoever's pulling the strings, what a masterful job of propaganda they've done at taking someone that they all agreed was not a good vice president-

Tom Segura 26:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 ... was the least popular vice president and now-

Tom Segura 26:02 Nobody even fucking knew anything about her. Nothing.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Bro, everybody made fun of her. Even, like, uh, Joe Scarborough was talking about how she's like a problem for the ticket.

Tom Segura 26:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 26:11 And now you look-

Tom Segura 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:13 ... and she's, like, neck and neck with him. Is she ahead of him today?

Narrator 26:16 Boy, I don't know where to look for that.

Tom Segura 26:19 Uh-

Joe Rogan 26:19 The whole, the whole thing is so nuts, man. But Taylor Swift's on her side, so I think she's gonna be fine.

Tom Segura 26:23 Taylor Swift's on her side. It's gonna come down in, in these key states to just county by county.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Yeah.

Tom Segura 26:27 It's gonna be like, uh, you know, where you're gonna, hour to hour, you're gonna see this county turn in and it's red and it goes up. And then the blue county, it's, it's really gonna be, in PA, Michigan, Wisconsin-

Joe Rogan 26:38 Hmm.

Tom Segura 26:38 ... North Carolina, uh, Nevada, Arizona-

Joe Rogan 26:40 And then you got this mail-in ballot.

Tom Segura 26:41 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Oh, it's gonna be crazy.

Tom Segura 26:43 I still think it's so crazy that, that, um, you know, a lot of the developed world has Saturday elections. You know? Like, it's like-

Joe Rogan 26:52 Yeah. Should be.

Tom Segura 26:52 Yeah. It's where people are-

Joe Rogan 26:53 Yeah, you don't have to work.

Tom Segura 26:54 Yeah. It's just fucking crazy that-

Joe Rogan 26:56 It's ridiculous.

Tom Segura 26:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Most people have to work. And also, vote in person with a fucking ID. You ti- (laughs) We just got through three fucking years of you have to have a vaccine passport in order to get food.

Tom Segura 27:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:07 (laughs)

Tom Segura 27:07 And you don't have to show your ID.

Joe Rogan 27:08 You have to be able to show, uh, an ID and show that you're vaccinated to get on an airplane. We just got through that.

Tom Segura 27:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:14 And now all of a sudden it's racist to say that you want voter ID.

Tom Segura 27:18 No, I think it's insane that-

Joe Rogan 27:19 There's only one reason to do it that way. There's two things that are going on simultaneously. You're letting in literally millions of people-

Tom Segura 27:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:27 ... millions of people, and you're giving them all these services.

Tom Segura 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 For sure. Okay, whatever, however much... There's all this talk, there's all this talk about they gave them money and there was, you know, all these stories about people getting debit cards and food stamps and all this money, and then they're putting them up in hotels in New York City and they're giving them free food. And then there's people that are poor that live in America, they're like, "Hey, why am I not getting that?"

Tom Segura 27:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:49 Like, "What, what's going on here?" Well, because they already have your vote.

Tom Segura 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 They've already tricked you into voting specifically for this one party.

Tom Segura 27:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:56 So now, if you bring in millions and millions of people and then the same people that wanna bring these people in are then allowing, their policies that are allowing these people to come in, are the same people that think voter ID is racist. Like, you're racist saying voter ID is racist by the way.

Tom Segura 28:12 I agree. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:12 Because you're saying that these people are too stupid to get a fucking driver's license.

Tom Segura 28:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Everybody has a goddamn driver's license. Like, what are you saying?

Tom Segura 28:19 That's true. I know.

Joe Rogan 28:20 What are you saying? Like, voter ID is racist?

Tom Segura 28:23 Yeah. Our system is really fucked.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Crazy. But-

Tom Segura 28:26 And so is, so are, like, the, the, the county drawings that they do for, for districts, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:32 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 28:32 The gerrymandering. Like, uh, they're like, "Oh," and you look at the graph and it's just to, to, like, engulf a part of a district that doesn't make sense to include it in.

Joe Rogan 28:42 Right.

Tom Segura 28:42 All this is manipulation.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Well, there's also, how many seats is dependent upon how many people are in your county. Like...

Tom Segura 28:48 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:48 And the more people you import into your county, the more you can change, like, the, the demographics.

Tom Segura 28:52 But these county lines make no sense half the time when you look at them, when you study out the way that they're attributed, so-

Joe Rogan 28:59 You gotta fucking give the Democrats credit for the manipulation. I mean, they did everything alo- like, every time they've had a hurdle, like they moved Bernie off the fucking primaries, they fucked him.

Tom Segura 29:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:10 You know? Then it comes to the whole thing with RFK, they fucked him, fuck you. Fuck Tulsi, fuck you. Everybody's out. They, they've done... I mean, and right in front of everybody's face, and yet all these people are like, "Yay, save democracy."

Tom Segura 29:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Like, are you not seeing what's going on? Are you not seeing, like, if the same people with the same ideas played fair, if the same people with the same ideas played fair, we have a different thing. We have a different thing. We have a different thing.

Tom Segura 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:36 And then we can get back to people disagreeing about policy.

Tom Segura 29:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Disagreeing about plans and what, what they're-

Tom Segura 29:43 You seem like we're far from that, though.

Joe Rogan 29:44 We're so far from that.

Tom Segura 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:45 We're so far from that that people don't even give a fuck about what the policy is. They're just committed to their side, and anything their side does that's kind of fucked up or twisted or T- they'll gaslight you on it.

Tom Segura 29:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Then they'll say it's not that big of a deal, and then they'll tell you it's good that that's happening. (laughs)

Tom Segura 30:01 Yeah, of course. You fully justify it.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Somebody had a great tweet about the eating pets thing.

Tom Segura 30:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Here, let me... (laughs) ... it's one of those things where I just-

Tom Segura 30:11 Eating pets.

Joe Rogan 30:11 ... I read it, and I'm just... I'm so happy that we, we live in a time of the internet. Because the internet is so fun, 'cause there's so many regular people out there in the world that are so fun.

Tom Segura 30:22 Yeah, they are.

Joe Rogan 30:22 So this dude's name is, uh, Nick Freitas, and, um, Green Beret, combat veteran. So, but look at his, uh, look at this tweet that I sent you, Jamie. (laughs) He fucking... (laughs) I can't believe this is a topic. "The left: 'No one is eating people's pets.' Which means we're one week away from 'Why do you care that people are eating pets?' Three weeks from 'Why eating pets is a good thing.'" (laughs) And four weeks from "'Refusing to eat pets is white supremacy." (laughs)

Tom Segura 30:50 No, he's got it. He, he fucking nailed it.

Joe Rogan 30:53 (laughs)

Tom Segura 30:54 He nailed it.

Joe Rogan 30:55 (laughs) It's just like, we live in such a mad, mad world.

Tom Segura 30:59 Yeah. And if you... It's like, this is entertaining too-

Joe Rogan 31:03 Uh-huh. Oh, it's so entertaining.

Tom Segura 31:03 ... to read this, but also, if you lose yourself in these, like, back and forths online, you lose your fucking mind.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Oh, you lose your fucking mind.

Tom Segura 31:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 Yeah. And there's a lot of people losing their mind. It's just, I don't engage in it. I know you don't either. It's a bad way to communicate with people. It's a bad way.

Tom Segura 31:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:19 It's bad for your health. I really believe that. I think it's bad for your mental health.

Tom Segura 31:22 I 100% agree.

Joe Rogan 31:24 Yeah.

Tom Segura 31:24 I, I remember... I don't know if he still does this, but... And I've heard other people do this, but I remember when DeStefano told me that he was like, like a year or so ago, he's like, "It's fucking with my, like, happiness."

Joe Rogan 31:35 Yeah.

Tom Segura 31:35 And then he gave somebody his login stuff. He's like-

Joe Rogan 31:40 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 31:40 ... "I don't want it. You have it."

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah.

Tom Segura 31:42 "I'll just send you things to post, but I'm never gonna... I don't, I don't even have my own login."

Joe Rogan 31:45 Ari did that for a while too.

Tom Segura 31:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 Right before the Kobe thing. (laughs)

Tom Segura 31:49 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:49 He went... (laughs) He got back online and immediately went bad. (laughs)

Tom Segura 31:54 Oh, my God. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:55 But it's, it's not good for anybody. And that's why I am a- absolutely addicted to looking at things on my phone. I'm addicted to watching YouTube. I'm addicted to stories, just looking at stories on Google. And a lot of it is nonsense-

Tom Segura 32:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:09 ... but a lot of it is super interesting science stuff. There's a lot... I get a lot of super interesting science stuff all day, and people send me-

Tom Segura 32:15 Try to do-

Joe Rogan 32:15 ... super interesting stuff.

Tom Segura 32:16 ... productive stuff. I try to, like-

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yeah, but not you and me.

Tom Segura 32:19 I... Well, you and me have a bad thing going.

Joe Rogan 32:20 We have a bad thing.

Tom Segura 32:22 Very bad.

Joe Rogan 32:22 You and me, our text... Which is what I was gonna get to. Our text message chain is the fucking-

Tom Segura 32:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:26 ... worst thing on the internet.

Tom Segura 32:27 It's so dark. People go, "Hey," 'cause they hear about it-

Joe Rogan 32:30 (laughs)

Tom Segura 32:30 ... and they go, "Include me." And I go, "You want me to ruin-

Joe Rogan 32:33 Fuck.

Tom Segura 32:33 ... your fucking life?"

Joe Rogan 32:33 First of all...

Tom Segura 32:33 "You want your whole algorithm to be just the darkest..."

Joe Rogan 32:36 M... Yeah. This is my and Tommy's thing. But the, the, the darkest, the darkest things we find. And-

Tom Segura 32:42 My algorithm is a, a confusing-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Oh, yeah. It's a mess.

Tom Segura 32:46 Like, uh, uh, it's confusing, it's dark, semi-erotic, and, and it's just the most peculiar... Like, there's also... I, I just can't help... With all the censorship that has become... You know, it's so prevalent.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Right.

Tom Segura 32:59 It's one of the big topics of the last five years. I still don't understand why I get to watch murders on-

Joe Rogan 33:05 All day long.

Tom Segura 33:07 I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 33:07 All day long.

Tom Segura 33:08 I get to see, on my Instagram, uh, executions, a lot of Russian car accidents and manufacturing mishaps-

Joe Rogan 33:16 (laughs)

Tom Segura 33:17 ... um, uh, like, people getting electrocuted, hit by trains.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Yep.

Tom Segura 33:22 And then... And straight up just b- gun to the head.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 33:25 Just of, uh, like hitmen-

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Tom Segura 33:27 ... I've seen on, on closed-circuit TV, where you're like, "Ugh, this is cool," but, like, I don't know, a girl's tit isn't.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Right.

Tom Segura 33:35 And, and somebody, somebody, uh, leaving a comment that is like, uh, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 33:40 You misgendered someone.

Tom Segura 33:41 Yeah, like the language is... That person's account gets fucking banned.

Joe Rogan 33:45 (laughs)

Tom Segura 33:45 But I can see this guy get his head fucking blown off.

Joe Rogan 33:47 Right. Right.

Tom Segura 33:48 Why? It doesn't add up at all.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Well, that was why the old Twitter was weird, 'cause they had hardcore porn. There was always hardcore pornography.

Tom Segura 33:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:55 But if you misgendered someone, you'd be banned for life.

Tom Segura 33:57 Yeah. That's so... That-

Joe Rogan 33:59 Ugh.

Tom Segura 33:59 ... that doesn't add up at all. It's always been this two... This thing in America... Like, one of the big European versus American differences is that, you know, we always had this, um, this, uh, you know, holier-than-thou reaction to the naked body.

Joe Rogan 34:14 Mm.

Tom Segura 34:15 And, and to just sex in general, right? Like, uh, uh, there's a topless person or a, a lovemaking scene, and people are like, uh, you know, either this is NC17, or, you know-

Joe Rogan 34:25 Right.

Tom Segura 34:25 But we can have someone... Like, a grenade in a guy's mouth, and then fucking bot-

Joe Rogan 34:30 (laughs)

Tom Segura 34:30 And then they're like, "Yeah, well, that's the... That's on fucking TNT today." You know? Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:33 Well, how is, how is it getting through Instagram's filters?

Tom Segura 34:36 I don't un- 'Cause I-

Joe Rogan 34:37 'Cause I asked you this, uh, like a couple months ago, 'cause I'm not on TikTok. I'm like, "Did you see that..." When you sent me something particularly disturbing, I was like, "Okay, is this on TikTok too?"

Tom Segura 34:45 I've seen crazy shit there as well. I do know that the, the, the go-around in, on Instagram seems to be just in your caption. So if you notice, if you look at the caption of-

Joe Rogan 34:58 A lot of time, it's like, "2024 Mercedes-Benz AMG."

Tom Segura 35:01 Yeah. Yeah. That, that's the-

Joe Rogan 35:02 "Is an amazing off-road vehicle."

Tom Segura 35:03 Because they figured out that the, whatever, the sensors and the algorithm doesn't t- uh, watch the video.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Right.

Tom Segura 35:13 It's like your ca-... If you were, if you were to write, "Here is a guy getting hit by a truck-

Joe Rogan 35:17 (laughs)

Tom Segura 35:18 ... and his fucking head comes off-"

Joe Rogan 35:20 Right.

Tom Segura 35:20 ... in your caption, that thing would get taken down.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Right.

Tom Segura 35:23 But if you're like, "Check out the new fucking 2020 MDX," or whatever it's called-

Joe Rogan 35:27 But here's the question.

Tom Segura 35:28 ... then they go-

Joe Rogan 35:29 Where is the money? How are they making money off of this?

Tom Segura 35:32 That's a good... That's an... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 35:33 'Cause whoever's putting these videos up-

Tom Segura 35:34 They always have to follow the money. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:35 ... these are accounts from bots.

Tom Segura 35:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:37 So if you look at the accounts, there's no real comments and-

Tom Segura 35:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 ... real things that anybody's saying-

Tom Segura 35:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:42 ... with that account. And then this account might have thousands of these videos.

Tom Segura 35:46 Yeah. And, and dr- uh, the war footage-

Joe Rogan 35:49 Oh.

Tom Segura 35:49 The drone footage-

Joe Rogan 35:50 Oh, God.

Tom Segura 35:50 ... is just, like, fucking-

Joe Rogan 35:51 I saw one yesterday where this drone-

Tom Segura 35:53 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 ... a kamikaze drone-

Tom Segura 35:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:55 ... was coming after these guys, and they were shooting at it with AKs-

Tom Segura 35:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:58 ... and they couldn't take it down. The thing was evading the bullets. And then finally, it moved in, and the guy threw his AK at it, and it blew up, and it saved his life.

Tom Segura 36:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 36:08 He threw his fucking rifle at the-

Tom Segura 36:09 At the-

Joe Rogan 36:10 ... drone as it was coming to sw- 'Cause they, they dive on you and blow up.

Tom Segura 36:14 ... I, I, I think s- being able to see those... I will say this, gives you, like, a very sobering perspective-

Joe Rogan 36:23 Yeah.

Tom Segura 36:23 ... on modern day war.

Joe Rogan 36:24 Yeah.

Tom Segura 36:24 'Cause that's obviously... You know, that wasn't a thing in Vietnam or, or World War II.

Joe Rogan 36:29 Right.

Tom Segura 36:29 And you see a... But, like, the fact that you see these guys out in a field, you know?

Joe Rogan 36:33 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 36:33 Whatever side they're on, I'm just talking about the, the reality of these human beings run... And then this fucking drone with a camera is chasing them down.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Yeah.

Tom Segura 36:44 And it can, it can just blow. It just kind of-

Joe Rogan 36:45 Well, this is the first time that's ever happened in war.

Tom Segura 36:47 Oh, it's fucking so disturbing.

Joe Rogan 36:48 The first time we've ever had drones that chase people.

Tom Segura 36:51 Yeah. I, I'd never... I mean, I'd seen... Obviously, I'd heard of and, and knew about drones that are, like, basically satellites, you know, that, like, that fly.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Right.

Tom Segura 37:00 You know, they're like planes, and, and they lock in on a, on a location and fire a missile.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Right.

Tom Segura 37:05 But these little tiny ones that just, yeah, chase people and blow up? I mean, that-

Joe Rogan 37:10 They're suicide b- bombers.

Tom Segura 37:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:12 They're, they're... Yeah. It's, it's really-

Tom Segura 37:13 It's super disturbing.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Guys are going into the trenches with GoPros on. Like, I watched this one where this, uh, Russian guy killed these Ukrainian guys that were in, like, a... They were in a trench.

Tom Segura 37:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:24 And he's, like, got a GoPro on.

Tom Segura 37:27 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:27 And he guns these guys down when they're in the trench. And one guy's, like, struggling for the rifle, and then he, he fucking gets the barrel back and blows his head off, and you're like, "Yo."

Tom Segura 37:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:37 And it's all, like, five feet away, three feet away. Like, "Fuck, man."

Tom Segura 37:41 And you see that, and then they're like, "Do you wanna make a prosciutto and mozzarella sandwich-

Joe Rogan 37:45 (laughs)

Tom Segura 37:45 ... next? Like, that's my feed." And you're like, "Yeah, I think so."

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah, if you saw my feed, if I was like, um, being arrested for being a serial killer-

Tom Segura 37:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:53 ... and they had a look at the social media, like, "Look at his algorithm."

Tom Segura 37:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:56 "Look at his algorithm."

Tom Segura 37:57 Oh, that... I mean, Christina just, all day. She's just like, "You're such a sick person."

Joe Rogan 38:02 (laughs)

Tom Segura 38:02 She's like, "Look what you wa- look what you fill your head with."

Joe Rogan 38:04 I don't show my wife.

Tom Segura 38:05 'Cause I also, I also go to... Well, I go to bed, and I always put on biographies, like it's either-

Joe Rogan 38:10 Oh.

Tom Segura 38:10 ... war, um, a serial killer, or it's a scripted show about a murder, or s-... It's the only thing that, like, I, like, it en- engages, that I find enticing and, and, and exciting to watch are, like, either real stories about horrible things-

Joe Rogan 38:24 Yeah.

Tom Segura 38:24 ... or, um, I like th- suspense, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:27 Right.

Tom Segura 38:27 I like that genre, so I just am always watching it.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Well, it's always interesting just psychologically to see, like, what the fuck were the... You know, like, you're watching something on Richard Ramirez or something like that.

Tom Segura 38:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:35 I'm like, "What was this guy like?" Like-

Tom Segura 38:38 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:38 I c- I just cannot watch those things at night. If I watch them in the day, I can tolerate them.

Tom Segura 38:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:43 But at night before I go to bed, it just gives me too much room for crazy thoughts.

Tom Segura 38:47 Well, that's a, a, uh, apparently, that's a healthier reaction than mine-

Joe Rogan 38:51 (laughs)

Tom Segura 38:51 ... 'cause I watch it and I'm like, "Night, night," and I just fucking go to bed.

Joe Rogan 38:55 I don't s- uh, I, I can't watch things about war at night.

Tom Segura 38:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 War freaks me out the most because I'm always like, okay, before Pearl Harbor or before 9/11, like, no one knew that was gonna happen.

Tom Segura 39:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Like, how do we not know? How do we know that we're not in a situation right now where we're just before something really fucked up happens?

Tom Segura 39:15 No, that's-

Joe Rogan 39:15 And that gets me at night.

Tom Segura 39:17 Yeah. I, I understand that. I mean, and also the way that... Now, because I've watched docs on those very things-

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 39:25 ... recently, like the, the la- the latest one, um, the, the latest Nazi one. 'Cause at some point, I'm also like, "Are they ever just gonna be like, 'I think we've covered it,' with Hitler?"

Joe Rogan 39:34 Never.

Tom Segura 39:35 And never.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Never.

Tom Segura 39:36 And never. And then I watched the latest one that, uh... There was a Netflix release, and it was absolutely phenomenal, like the best docuseries I've ever seen done.

Joe Rogan 39:46 On the Nazis?

Tom Segura 39:46 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 39:47 What's it called?

Tom Segura 39:48 It's like a six or eight-part series. I don't remember what it's called. Y- It, it came out couple months ago. It's so fucking good. You don't realize that they could go deeper and, and really highlight things that you didn't know about. It's just so educational. But, um...

Joe Rogan 40:06 Hitler and the Nazis: Evil on Trial.

Tom Segura 40:08 It is fucking so goddamn good. I cannot tell you how good this is.

Joe Rogan 40:11 So is this colorized footage?

Tom Segura 40:13 There's color footage. There's, um... They go between, you know, the, like, real footage, like real historical footage, um, narration, um, and it's just-

Joe Rogan 40:25 Do they have dramatizations as well?

Tom Segura 40:26 Uh, yes, and it's so high level. It's so well done.

Joe Rogan 40:29 Mmm.

Tom Segura 40:29 It just paints a picture in a way that, that, um, I don't think has really d- been done before. It's, it's, it's just incredibly fascinating. But yeah, I mean, I get that at night too, because you kinda go like... Especially, you know... I mean, it was highlighted, I think e- even in the debate, and so it is a very valid point.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Yeah.

Tom Segura 40:48 Which is that, you know, you just don't know what's gonna happen in, in any war. But, you know, when you have Russia involved in this war, you do have a country with thousands of nukes.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Yeah.

Tom Segura 41:00 Like, you just don't know, uh, wha- h- how he does- deciding to play this. You don't know. Nobody knows.

Joe Rogan 41:05 And he's a KGB guy who's a dictator.

Tom Segura 41:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Like, the whole thing is mad. It's crazy.

Tom Segura 41:13 And you just can do, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 41:14 Yeah.

Tom Segura 41:15 ... one little thing that i- that... For him, that's the line.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Yeah.

Tom Segura 41:18 You just don't know what that is.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Yeah. You don't know what that is, and you don't know why, why it's happening. You know, you hear about NATO moving their, their arms closer to Russia, and you... And you know that there was a coup that was probably facilitated by the United States in 2014, and it's like, "Fuck, man." Like all this monkeying with shit overseas scares the fuck out of me, man.

Tom Segura 41:40 Of course, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Every day there could be some new thing popping off somewhere in the world, and you're like...

Tom Segura 41:44 That's another one that the, uh, the Turning Point doc about the, like, the history of the Cold War. And when you, when you realize how the nuke programs evolved and what was really going... And, like, how in the '60s, when we were... you know, when Bay of Pigs and a- and all that was happening, we thought at... 'Cause they postured like, "We can fucking take you guys down too," and they... we ended up discovering later that they had, like, seven bombs, and we had, like, 10,000 at the time.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Oh, God.

Tom Segura 42:17 But then-

Joe Rogan 42:18 Seven's enough, though.

Tom Segura 42:19 It's enough, but it's also, like...... y- you know, you could also target these areas. Y- y- it, it's a-

Joe Rogan 42:25 Yeah.

Tom Segura 42:25 ... it's a more, you can deal with it. But of course, they never showed that hand. But then you see how in the, into the '80s how their program just far exceeded ours. At one point they had, like, triple what we had in... Also, these are an amount of bombs that it doesn't even really matter. If you have 33,000 nukes-

Joe Rogan 42:44 Hmm.

Tom Segura 42:44 ... it's like what, you know-

Joe Rogan 42:45 Right.

Tom Segura 42:45 ... what, what the fuck are you gonna do with that?

Joe Rogan 42:46 The world's over.

Tom Segura 42:46 Yeah, it's over anyway. But how we both operated on a sense that like, oh, yeah, if either one of us crosses a line, it's just over for both of us.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Yeah.

Tom Segura 42:57 Always.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Mutually assured self-destruction.

Tom Segura 42:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:58 And then the other thing was that during the Reagan administration, they kind of, like, forced the Russians into trying to keep up with us, militarily, which kinda bankrupt the Soviet Union.

Tom Segura 43:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 43:08 'Cause if you have a communist country, it's, it's way harder to get money. (laughs)

Tom Segura 43:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Like, it's fucking, you're not making anything.

Tom Segura 43:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 You're not selling anything. You're not ever, there's not a lot of-

Tom Segura 43:18 And things got-

Joe Rogan 43:18 ... capital being thrown around.

Tom Segura 43:18 ... and things got really bad there, economically.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

Tom Segura 43:20 Like-

Joe Rogan 43:21 Yeah.

Tom Segura 43:21 ... massive, um-

Joe Rogan 43:22 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 43:23 ... poverty and starvation.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Tom Segura 43:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:24 And then while you're having massive military spending, it's kind of unsustainable. But then they've since recovered.

Tom Segura 43:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 And then them, like China, like what's interesting what China has done is China has developed this sort of, they have capitalism and communism.

Tom Segura 43:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:39 Which is the way to do it.

Tom Segura 43:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Like, you, you get people motivated to make a lot of money, you get industries get huge, but everything is completely tied into the government.

Tom Segura 43:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Which is like, "Oh, we nailed it."

Tom Segura 43:48 Yeah, they, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:49 This is it.

Tom Segura 43:49 It's a good program.

Joe Rogan 43:50 It's a good program.

Tom Segura 43:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:51 It's not good for the people.

Tom Segura 43:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 It's not good for us.

Tom Segura 43:54 It's good for running the show.

Joe Rogan 43:55 It's great for running the show.

Tom Segura 43:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:56 And that's, you know, that's, this is what's scary about what's going on in this country, is there's some people that have the notion that in order for us to compete with these other countries, we have to govern people in a more similar way than they do. They have to have more control over information, more control over what people say and do, more control over money. You know, c- China now has centralized d- digital currency in some places, which is, that's very scary.

Tom Segura 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Once the, once the government has complete access to your money and be able to shut your money off, or t- like, you saw what happened in Canada with the truckers.

Tom Segura 44:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:29 So these people just donated money to this trucker protest, that's all they did-

Tom Segura 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 ... donate money, and Canada shut their bank accounts down. Which is, that's scary stuff, man.

Tom Segura 44:39 It's very scary.

Joe Rogan 44:39 That's banana republic shit. And that's, you could walk to Canada.

Tom Segura 44:43 Remember-

Joe Rogan 44:44 It's not that far.

Tom Segura 44:44 ... to the, um, you know when the, when we had the, uh, what was it called? What's the company that they had the malfunction, and then airlines just stopped for a fucking day?

Joe Rogan 44:53 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Segura 44:54 Um, I remember my friends was bringing up how, you know, all these m- car manufacturers have, are starting, are pledging, you know, we'll be fully electric by-

Joe Rogan 45:02 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 45:02 ... 2035 or whatever, and I'm like, man, for me, I've just always been like, yeah, that, that would suck, just because I like (laughs) cars-

Joe Rogan 45:10 Yeah.

Tom Segura 45:10 ... that are gas powered. And, um, you know, I'm a, I guess I'm a dinosaur in that way. But-

Joe Rogan 45:16 No, they're cool.

Tom Segura 45:16 They're cool, but what my friend was like, he was like, you know, he brought up that, that, um, that malfunction. He was like, "You know, I just keep thinking about it if we were all electric, that the government could also just go like, 'Doop.'" Like-

Joe Rogan 45:31 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 45:32 ... cars don't work today.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Well, there's cars today that have, um, OnStar on them.

Tom Segura 45:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:37 That the police can shut your car off.

Tom Segura 45:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:39 So if you're running a high-speed chase from the cops and you have some vehicle that has OnStar on it-

Tom Segura 45:43 They can just-

Joe Rogan 45:44 ... they just hit a button. Is that true? Make sure that's true. That might be theoretical. I think it's true, though. I think they could just shut your car off.

Tom Segura 45:51 But that's pretty, that's pretty scary.

Joe Rogan 45:52 So like if somebody, and, but they market it to you like, "Hey, look, if someone steals your Corvette, Tom-"

Tom Segura 45:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:55 "... you can just call up."

Tom Segura 45:56 I will have it-

Joe Rogan 45:57 "... and they will have that car shut off."

Tom Segura 45:58 Yeah. Sure.

Joe Rogan 45:58 And that person's on the highway and it just pulls over for them.

Tom Segura 46:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:01 Yeah.

Tom Segura 46:01 Scary.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Yeah.

Tom Segura 46:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:03 Well, you know the story about Michael Hastings, right?

Tom Segura 46:06 Um...

Joe Rogan 46:07 Michael Hastings was the reporter for Rolling Stone.

Narrator 46:10 This is what they list for-

Tom Segura 46:11 Uh, okay.

Narrator 46:12 ... stolen vehicles.

Joe Rogan 46:12 "Can police use OnStar to disable a car? If the vehicle's parked and turned off, the OnStar advisor can use remote ignition block to prevent the engine from being restarted, allowing the police to recover the vehicle." So they can only do it once it's off?

Narrator 46:25 That's what that says. That's on the website.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Um, can they, d- okay, "Can police use OnStar to disable a car?" Click that. "Search for."

Narrator 46:34 That's what this is.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Below. Below that? That part.

Narrator 46:37 Click this one?

Joe Rogan 46:37 Click that. See if that gives you a different answer. "The vehicle's parked and turned off," same thing.

Narrator 46:42 Yeah.

Tom Segura 46:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:42 So can it shut off your car while you're driving? Hold on. Can you go back?

Narrator 46:49 There you go. This is exactly what you're asking.

Tom Segura 46:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 "Yeah, disable engine and end high-speed chases," so it can. "Satellite technology that could disable an engine with a simple push of a button helped end the high-speed chase of a stolen sports utility vehicle-"

Tom Segura 47:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:02 "... in La Porte, resulting in the arrest of," uh, "Mishawaka man."

Tom Segura 47:06 And look what it says there.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Yeah.

Tom Segura 47:07 "It was reaching 80 miles an hour before the OnStar technology slowed it to 20."

Joe Rogan 47:12 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 47:12 So it just basically shut it down.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Yeah. So OnStar-

Tom Segura 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 ... controlled this guy's car, and they're looking at it like it's a good thing, because it is a good thing, 'cause this guy was a crazy person. Reckless driving, other counts, resisting law enforcement, running from the cops, but it's kinda crazy that they, they can just press a button. So maybe it's something that you didn't really do. Maybe you're a whistleblower for some chemical company that's done something that's illegal and then people don't want you to, you're gonna crash the stock market and, you know, you're on the run.

Tom Segura 47:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:42 And they know he's on the... He's got the papers on him. Find that fuck. And they just boom.

Tom Segura 47:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 Slow your Cadillac down.

Tom Segura 47:49 Yep.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Spooky.

Tom Segura 47:51 It's kinda spooky, man.

Joe Rogan 47:52 It's spooky because we know that people abuse power. It's not spooky, look, if, if we had the, our elective f- officials were all super enlightened beings that were different than human beings and that only d- did things a- according to ethics and rules and morals and, and knew what was right and what was wrong.

Tom Segura 48:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Yeah. Okay, maybe then you can make a justification.

Tom Segura 48:12 Yeah, but that's not our case.

Joe Rogan 48:12 But that was non-humans.

Tom Segura 48:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:14 That's non-humans.

Tom Segura 48:14 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 48:15 That, all, all that stuff's crazy.

Tom Segura 48:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:19 It's just you're giving too much power to people. And then you could figure out a way to justify it and say, "Yeah, but what about those people that are running from the cops?" You're right. You're right. You're right.

Tom Segura 48:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:28 But what about...... someone who's corrupt, who's got a hold of that technology, and they're tracking their ex-wife because she's gonna testify against them, and they have her whacked.

Tom Segura 48:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:39 That shit happens too.

Tom Segura 48:40 For sure it does.

Joe Rogan 48:41 For fucking sure.

Tom Segura 48:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:43 And then if there's no record of it, if you just got some sort of computer, and you can just fucking slow down someone's car, and then the hit man catches up to him, guns are down or whatever.

Tom Segura 48:52 Yeah. It could, it's a, it's a... I mean it, all technology can be abused, so.

Joe Rogan 48:57 100%.

Tom Segura 48:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Well, we're seeing that with our... with, with Google searches. Nobody ever thought that you could just manipulate Google searches.

Tom Segura 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 But you 100% can. I had Robert Epstein on the other day, and he was explaining how it's done and what they do, and they're capturing all these ef- ephemeral. Um, so like every time like Google shows you stories, or every time you Google something, they record what Google shows you.

Tom Segura 49:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 And every time you Google something about Trump, it's gonna show you all the negative. You Google about Kamala Harris, gonna show you all the positive.

Tom Segura 49:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:24 And just by doing that, for the casual voter, they can change the vote.

Tom Segura 49:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 By a significant percentage.

Tom Segura 49:29 It's really, it's insane. And also, the, the listening thing, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:33 No.

Tom Segura 49:34 It's like, when I... I ran into a, a Meta engineer when I was on the road, at a hotel. He was like, "Oh, I'm a fan," and we just started talking, and I was like, "Hey, man," 'cause we had just talked with, with the... I was with my tour crew about... Ah, this is so fucking... You know.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:49 It's the thing you keep going, this is so weird that we are having this conversation, and-

Joe Rogan 49:54 Yeah.

Tom Segura 49:54 ... and it's right here.

Joe Rogan 49:55 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 49:55 Like it's, it's A, it's in my algorithm now, and then also I'm getting emails about this.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Very strange.

Tom Segura 50:04 So strange. And then we, we didn't like, in our, an experiment. I was like, "All right, let's just keep talking about Lamborghinis." Like I... like, "Let's just keep talking about them." And we just kept talking about them in this conversation with our phones out. And then, I don't know, two hours later we were all sharing like, "Look at my thing. It's just... like my algorithm now has Lamborghinis, and I got a email about a Lamborghini." Like I was... it's so... and he goes, he goes, "Well, you know we listen, right?" And I go, "Well, yeah, I mean, I, I figure like, I know that we've all kind of talked about it, but like it's weird to have you confirm it, you know?"

Joe Rogan 50:39 Did he say they listen when the app is open?

Tom Segura 50:42 He didn't... we didn't, it didn't go that far. He was just like, "Well, you know we listen to you, like-"

Joe Rogan 50:46 Have you ever done an experiment where all your, all your apps are closed, and you just start talking about something to see if Google picks that up?

Tom Segura 50:53 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 50:54 'Cause that would be interesting.

Tom Segura 50:55 That's a fun one.

Joe Rogan 50:55 We should do that right now.

Tom Segura 50:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Okay, what should we talk about?

Tom Segura 50:59 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 50:59 What would be a good thing?

Tom Segura 51:00 Let's see.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Let me make sure that everything... all my shit is closed. I'm gonna close everything.

Tom Segura 51:05 We're closing. Close.

Joe Rogan 51:07 Um, what would be a good thing to talk about that we'd find out? Let's go... something that we don't ever look up.

Tom Segura 51:13 Yeah, something that would-

Joe Rogan 51:14 Hm.

Tom Segura 51:14 ... that's not on our radar.

Joe Rogan 51:16 Um, high school baseball.

Tom Segura 51:18 High school baseball is definitely not something I'm interested in.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Right.

Tom Segura 51:21 And, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:21 So you don't talk about high school baseball?

Tom Segura 51:23 I never talk about high school baseball.

Joe Rogan 51:24 High school baseball is so important because-

Tom Segura 51:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:27 ... high school baseball teaches you teamwork.

Tom Segura 51:29 It does.

Joe Rogan 51:30 And it teaches you how, uh, to perform together with friends. You develop comradery. You learn how to compete.

Tom Segura 51:37 And h- high school baseball really is... that is the minor leagues of the minor leagues, 'cause if you thrive in high school baseball-

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:44 ... and you're legit a good high school baseball player (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yeah.

Tom Segura 51:47 ... then you can-

Joe Rogan 51:47 Then you go to college.

Tom Segura 51:48 ... then you go to college, or you can go-

Joe Rogan 51:49 And then you can go-

Tom Segura 51:49 ... in the minors, and you could even-

Joe Rogan 51:51 Next thing you know-

Tom Segura 51:52 ... play for the majors.

Joe Rogan 51:52 ... you're on the fucking Dodgers.

Tom Segura 51:53 Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:53 And you're balling, and you're driving a Lamborghini.

Tom Segura 51:55 And you're driving a Lambor-

Joe Rogan 51:56 (laughs)

Tom Segura 51:56 A yellow Lamborghini.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Okay.

Tom Segura 51:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Now let's see.

Tom Segura 51:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:59 How much time do you think it takes before-

Tom Segura 52:00 I think it takes a little more.

Joe Rogan 52:01 ... high school baseball?

Tom Segura 52:02 I think, I think you should-

Joe Rogan 52:03 I just wanna bring up high school-

Tom Segura 52:04 High s- high s-

Joe Rogan 52:05 ... high school baseball.

Tom Segura 52:05 High school baseball.

Joe Rogan 52:06 High school baseball.

Tom Segura 52:07 I think-

Joe Rogan 52:08 High school baseball results.

Tom Segura 52:09 Who i-... and also it's like, when you think about high school baseball, you realize that, you know, pitching at that level, you're not... you're a real outlier if you get above 90 miles an hour, 'cause there's some, uh, high school kids that can pitch like 80, 85. When you start getting high school kids pitching above 90, you're talking about an elite level pa-... a kid with a lot of potential.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Big old fella.

Tom Segura 52:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:30 Long-ass arms.

Tom Segura 52:31 He's got that... he's torque.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Yeah.

Tom Segura 52:32 He's got the technique down.

Joe Rogan 52:33 That whip, that whip.

Tom Segura 52:34 Whoosh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Those dudes can whip that ball.

Tom Segura 52:36 They sure can.

Joe Rogan 52:36 So like what is the fastest anyone's ever thrown a fastball?

Tom Segura 52:40 That's a great question. I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 52:41 Let's guess.

Tom Segura 52:41 ... it's, it's definitely a... Uh, okay, that's a good guess. Um, and I definitely don't know. I know the real baseball fans are gonna be like, "Fucking idiot," but I'm gonna guess 1, uh, 12? Is that crazy?

Joe Rogan 52:54 I was gonna say 118.

Tom Segura 52:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:58 That's just a wild guess though.

Tom Segura 52:59 Is this gonna be the-

Joe Rogan 53:00 What do you think it is, Jamie? Do you know what it is?

Narrator 53:01 Yeah, sort of.

Joe Rogan 53:03 What, what-

Tom Segura 53:03 Is this gonna be the highest in a game or just the highest ever?

Joe Rogan 53:05 The highest ever.

Tom Segura 53:05 The highest ever.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Like the fastest.

Tom Segura 53:06 The highest ever.

Joe Rogan 53:06 There must be like who's the fastestest-

Tom Segura 53:08 'Cause I bet the guy who's the best ever or fastest ever isn't the best because he...

Joe Rogan 53:12 The best, right.

Tom Segura 53:13 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 53:13 He's probably got the most accurate because he's winning it.

Tom Segura 53:14 Like it's just like in tennis.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Yeah.

Tom Segura 53:16 The craziest speed ever on a serve is not from-

Joe Rogan 53:20 Right.

Tom Segura 53:20 ... Federer, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:21 Right, right, right, right, right. Like the guy with the hardest punch is not necessarily the best fighter.

Tom Segura 53:25 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 53:26 So what is, um... let's take a guess.

Narrator 53:28 What's a better... I mean, you got, you brought up a good point, so I was trying to re- erase like in Major League Baseball from the search if I could.

Joe Rogan 53:34 What's the fastest pitch ever thrown?

Narrator 53:37 Fastest in Ma- in Major League Baseball, it's 105.8.

Joe Rogan 53:41 What about in like the world record for the fastest ball-

Narrator 53:44 That's-

Joe Rogan 53:44 ... ever thrown?

Narrator 53:45 I just need to figure out how to find that 'cause it, which one's the fastest ball-

Joe Rogan 53:46 There's gotta be competitions, right? Like they have those golf competitions where dudes just drive the ball.

Tom Segura 53:50 1000%, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Bro.

Narrator 53:52 Yeah, but if you could throw a fastball, you would just be in the major leagues.

Tom Segura 53:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:55 That's true. That's true.

Narrator 53:56 I'm saying they pay you a lot of money for that.

Joe Rogan 53:56 They would just figure out a way to-

Narrator 53:58 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:58 ... get you over the plate.

Narrator 53:59 Yup.

Tom Segura 53:59 Yeah.

Narrator 53:59 You only have to do it like 10 times, and you can make a lot of money.

Tom Segura 54:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Um, so 105? Is that what it was?

Narrator 54:04 105.8, yeah, there's a bunch of... one guy has done it a bunch of times at 105, and a few people have joined him in the 105, but no one's cracked 106.

Tom Segura 54:11 So-

Joe Rogan 54:11 That must be so fast coming at you.

Tom Segura 54:13 That's terrifying. Sh- you ever look at the, um, like, uh, uh, over-

Joe Rogan 54:17 From a umpire's perspective?

Tom Segura 54:18 No, but I'm saying, I mean, and that's... it's ter-... but if you look at tennis, um, the high level serve speeds, they-

Joe Rogan 54:23 What are their speeds?

Tom Segura 54:25 We're talking like into the 130s, up to-

Joe Rogan 54:27 Really?

Tom Segura 54:28 Yeah. Like there's probably a guy who's probably done 140.

Joe Rogan 54:30 All right, I'm opening up Google to see if we get any high school baseball. Come on, Google. Don't disappoint me.163 for fastest.

Tom Segura 54:38 What?

Narrator 54:39 Jesus-

Tom Segura 54:39 What?

Narrator 54:40 ... Christ.

Tom Segura 54:40 Fastest serve, 163?

Joe Rogan 54:42 (laughs)

Tom Segura 54:42 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah, and John Eisener-

Tom Segura 54:44 Yeah, Eisener's 610.

Joe Rogan 54:45 ... is 157.

Narrator 54:46 Bro, that's bananas.

Tom Segura 54:47 He's 6'10".

Joe Rogan 54:48 So far it's just wolves and MMA, so... (laughs)

Tom Segura 54:52 Let me see. I got-

Joe Rogan 54:52 I think you gotta give that about 30, 30 minutes to an hour and then check again.

Tom Segura 54:55 Okay. What do I have? I got chiropractors, Italian women's feet.

Joe Rogan 54:59 (laughs)

Tom Segura 55:01 Some people...

Joe Rogan 55:01 I got the debate.

Tom Segura 55:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:03 I got, uh, upcoming fights.

Tom Segura 55:06 I got some-

Joe Rogan 55:06 Canelo Alvarez.

Tom Segura 55:08 Conor. I got-

Joe Rogan 55:08 Suga Sean O'Malley and Merab Davitashvili.

Tom Segura 55:11 Watches.

Joe Rogan 55:12 Watches. Cybertruck. Baseball.

Tom Segura 55:17 But you know what'd be interesting, though? Is you check back in an hour.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Right. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna keep checking back for high school baseball, and if, if high school baseball... Well, now it's j- I'm cheating because I got Google open. I'm gonna shut it now. (fist thuds) We'll see. (inhales deeply) We'll see if they get me.

Tom Segura 55:37 Okay. Uh.

Joe Rogan 55:38 I should have ba- I should have come up with a product instead of high school baseball.

Tom Segura 55:42 Product's a good idea. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Like Lamborghini's a product, they're gonna try to sell you the product.

Tom Segura 55:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 That would be a better move.

Tom Segura 55:46 There you go.

Joe Rogan 55:47 I should have had a product.

Tom Segura 55:48 Um.

Joe Rogan 55:49 What would be the produ- but it would have to be, I want it to be a product that I wouldn't ordinarily search. That's why I said high school baseball.

Tom Segura 55:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Like, what's a product that I wouldn't search?

Tom Segura 55:58 Mmm.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Mmm.

Tom Segura 55:59 Have you searched humidors?

Joe Rogan 56:01 No. Humidors, that's a good one.

Tom Segura 56:04 A cigar humidor?

Joe Rogan 56:05 Cigar humidor.

Tom Segura 56:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Cigar humidors, what are the best ones?

Tom Segura 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Cigar humidors, what's the difference?

Tom Segura 56:13 There's so many u- there's so many sizes and-

Joe Rogan 56:14 Are there some that are too crazy and that's just overkill, and are there some-

Tom Segura 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 What's the best wood for a cigar humidor?

Tom Segura 56:21 Cigar humidor. Dude, my, one of my neighbors built a room of humidors, like-

Joe Rogan 56:25 Oh, that's not-

Tom Segura 56:25 He built-

Joe Rogan 56:25 He's probably trying to get away from his wife.

Tom Segura 56:26 He built it like a store. (laughs) In his house.

Joe Rogan 56:29 He trying to hide. He's trying to hide from his wife.

Tom Segura 56:31 Crazy. It's awesome. It's awesome.

Joe Rogan 56:31 He's hiding.

Tom Segura 56:32 I love it. It's fucking awesome, dude.

Joe Rogan 56:33 He's like, "I can't, I don't wanna do this anymore."

Tom Segura 56:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:35 "I'm in there just (smacks lips) . It's women repellent."

Tom Segura 56:38 Yeah. (laughs) It's got, it's so funny.

Joe Rogan 56:41 You know?

Tom Segura 56:41 Yeah, no woman's ever like, "Mmm. I love it."

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah, they hate it. They think it stinks.

Tom Segura 56:44 It's so funny.

Joe Rogan 56:45 They hate it when it's outside. Like, "Ugh, that guy across the street's got a cigar." Ugh.

Tom Segura 56:48 It's so nice to start... You know what I did yesterday?

Joe Rogan 56:50 Want one?

Tom Segura 56:50 I, um... Oh, yeah. Sure.

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah, you look great. Come on, bro.

Tom Segura 56:52 I, um, I had a gummy, a mushroom gummy.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Ooh.

Tom Segura 56:56 It was so good.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Just a light one?

Tom Segura 56:59 I like it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:00 Yeah, just something light.

Tom Segura 57:01 It was nice.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Shouldn't that be legal, Tommy Buns?

Tom Segura 57:03 Is it not? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:04 It kind- I mean, it kinda is. Depends on the mushroom.

Tom Segura 57:07 Um...

Joe Rogan 57:07 I take a lot of, uh, functional mushrooms.

Tom Segura 57:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Like over the last six months or some, so I've been taking, uh, reiki and cordyceps and...

Tom Segura 57:15 I gotta get you one of these, though, that I, that, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:17 Yeah?

Tom Segura 57:17 They're really good.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Oh.

Tom Segura 57:18 Smooth. Very nice. I'd, I'm also, like, uh, a bit naive, as I haven't partaken that much before.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yes.

Tom Segura 57:31 So I did mine, like, before bed.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Oh, no.

Tom Segura 57:34 And then I put, like, an eye mask on, and I was like, "Ha."

Joe Rogan 57:38 Oh, no.

Tom Segura 57:38 Just looking.

Joe Rogan 57:38 You saw some things.

Tom Segura 57:39 Oh, yeah. I've seen all kinds of shit.

Joe Rogan 57:41 (laughs)

Tom Segura 57:41 And then it's 2:30 in the morning, and I'm like, "I, I gotta take something else so I can go to bed."

Joe Rogan 57:44 Well, when I get, uh, riled up late at night, I always feel like an idiot because I was always like, "I've just ruined my sleep."

Tom Segura 57:52 Yeah, that's what I didn't like.

Joe Rogan 57:53 If I'm late at night and I've got too many crazy ideas and it starts freaking me out, it just ruins your sleep.

Tom Segura 57:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:57 And then the next thing you know, it's four o'clock in the morning and you go to bed.

Tom Segura 58:00 It's fucked, it fucked me up. And it was just my own ignorance.

Joe Rogan 58:03 And then if you have a podcast the next day, you got baggy eyes, you look like shit, and your brain's not working so great. Oh, by the way, one, one of the best supplements-

Tom Segura 58:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:12 ... for, um, performance, mental performance, when you are, uh, missing sleep, is creatine.

Tom Segura 58:20 Really? Like creatine-

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah.

Tom Segura 58:21 ... like the workout supplement?

Joe Rogan 58:22 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Creatine, the workout supplement, it's really good for workouts, but it's also really good for cognitive function.

Tom Segura 58:29 Didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Yeah.

Tom Segura 58:30 Never heard of that.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Well, if you think about it, what creatine does, like, Google what exactly what creatine does so I don't fuck this up, but what I think it does, essentially, is it allows your body to hold onto more water.

Tom Segura 58:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Uh, it, there's more water in the muscles, so it increases muscle volume and it helps... Okay, here, what does it say? "Creatine's compound-

Tom Segura 58:48 What?

Joe Rogan 58:48 "... body naturally makes, get it from protein-rich foods. It supplies energy to your muscles and may also promote brain health. Many people take creatine supplements to increase strength, improve performance, and help..." What happened?

Tom Segura 58:59 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 58:59 What'd you just do?

Narrator 58:59 I just took it out so you could put it back.

Tom Segura 59:00 Why are you-

Joe Rogan 59:01 Yeah, but he changed it. I was reading it.

Narrator 59:03 It's right here.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Okay. Um, "Increase strength, improve performance, and help keep their minds sharp."

Tom Segura 59:08 I have never heard this.

Joe Rogan 59:09 But the study, the recent study was, um, the positive effects of creatine on people that are sleep-deprived.

Tom Segura 59:16 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 59:16 It says it increased energy supply to neurons in the brain, which may help with mood and thinking. Um, so it does something with water.

Tom Segura 59:26 That is-

Joe Rogan 59:27 'Cause it makes, you, you gain a little weight from it, but I think you're, you're storing more water.

Tom Segura 59:31 So if you have a bad night of sleep, a, a scoop of creatine is like-

Joe Rogan 59:34 The next day. Yeah, but I take it every day anyway. I've been taking it every day anyway for, like, the past six months.

Tom Segura 59:39 Really?

Joe Rogan 59:39 Yeah, it makes a difference. It really does.

Tom Segura 59:41 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 59:41 It makes, it makes a difference in your workouts, but what I think, I try to take as many things as possible that are good for cognitive performance, you know. Obviously, like, doing a podcast, you need that. Increase water, here it is. "Creatine is an osmotically active substance. Thus, any increase in the body's CR content, so creatine content, should result in increased water retention and consequent gains in body mass."

Tom Segura 1:00:05 Well, I knew about the water retention and that it was a, uh, verified to have, like, it's one of the supplements that you can count on for gains.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yes.

Tom Segura 1:00:14 Like, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Yeah, it works.

Tom Segura 1:00:15 But I'd, I'd never heard about the, uh, brain aspect of it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:00:20 Ever.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Yeah, that's, um, more recent, they've been talking about that. Um, you know, it's been used as a muscle supplement since, like, the '90s.

Tom Segura 1:00:27 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Or, or been popular since the '90s. Jamie, what does it say about, um, 'cause there was some sort of a study about, uh, creatine supplementation, um, to enhance performance with sleep deprivation.... because there was this study that was showing that, you know, your cognitive performance, when you just have, like, four or five hours' sleep drops off a cliff, you know? I notice it in a big-

Tom Segura 1:00:51 A thousand percent.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 ... big way. I'm just, like, at 70% of, like, my normal. "A single high dose of creatine can temporarily improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation. This is due to creatine's ability to prevent a drop in pH level, improve processing speed, increase intercellular energy consumption, and increase high extracellular creatine availability." Isn't that awesome?

Tom Segura 1:01:13 That is so fucking cool.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:01:15 I really had no clue about this.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Yeah, I take it every day.

Tom Segura 1:01:18 I had a really poor night's sleep, like, a month or so ago, and I was going into my writer's room-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Oof.

Tom Segura 1:01:24 ... of my show.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Oof.

Tom Segura 1:01:25 And that's the w- t- like, to me, like, when you go, "What's the worst things about it when you have no, when you have bad sleep?" are, A, physically, like, your workouts suck. Like, it's r- it's really rough-

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:01:36 ... when you have poor sleep. But mentally, to, you know, I, I hate doing a show-

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Oh, yeah.

Tom Segura 1:01:42 ... on poor sleep. And to go into a writer's room where you're supposed to be, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Fast creative.

Tom Segura 1:01:47 Sure, yeah, and, and yeah-

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:01:48 ... we're, we're talking-

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:01:49 ... about all the stories, and, and I took a stimulant. Holy shit. It was like I slept fucking 12 hours. I couldn't believe it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Which one'd you take?

Tom Segura 1:01:59 Vyvanse.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Yeah?

Tom Segura 1:02:01 Holy...

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 That must've been nice. You like it? Oh my God, I was like, "Can I get some more?"

Tom Segura 1:02:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 And the person was like, "I'm not supposed to give you this." (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:02:08 This is... I'm like, "It was amazing."

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 I think you have ADD.

Tom Segura 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Or ADHD, or whatever the fuck it is.

Tom Segura 1:02:15 Yeah, confirmed.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 I think so.

Tom Segura 1:02:16 But, um, I couldn't, I couldn't-

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 I think we both have it. We both need, uh, Vyvanse, whatever it is.

Tom Segura 1:02:21 It's fucking awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Isn't that the guy who was the vice president under Trump? No, was it-

Tom Segura 1:02:25 JD Vance? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 JD Vance?

Tom Segura 1:02:26 Yeah, JD Vance, the creator of Vyvanse.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:02:29 Um, I couldn't believe, though, how the... I mean, I was really dragging. I was, like, on one of those-

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:02:35 ... like, I slept three and a half, four hours.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 And all of a sudden, bam.

Tom Segura 1:02:38 I mean firing on all cylinders. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Really?

Tom Segura 1:02:41 ... it was like I had a great night's sleep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 Really?

Tom Segura 1:02:44 I could not believe-

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 What's the come down like?

Tom Segura 1:02:46 Not that bad.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Really?

Tom Segura 1:02:47 No, it w- uh, apparently-

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Damn.

Tom Segura 1:02:49 ... that's one of the, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Don't sell me on this. Don't do it.

Tom Segura 1:02:52 The big differences between i- is that the crash from Adder- I never did Adderall, I've never had it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Hmm.

Tom Segura 1:02:58 But, like, people talk about the post Adderall crash. Um, but the Vyvanse, I was like, "Yeah, I feel fine."

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 They got it nailed.

Tom Segura 1:03:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 These motherfuckers.

Tom Segura 1:03:07 They fucking nailed it, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 These motherfuckers.

Tom Segura 1:03:09 And, uh, yeah, I mean...

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Yo, there's a lot of people out there just turning and grinding all day, arrrgh, on amphetamines.

Tom Segura 1:03:20 That's what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:03:22 Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 I can't believe I'm bringing it up again, but that book over there, Blitzed, is a Norman Ohler book about the Nazis during, um-

Tom Segura 1:03:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 ... the blitzkrieg campaign. They were all on meth.

Tom Segura 1:03:33 All of them, yeah. And then, um, you know, a lot of people don't, and I talk about it on stage, but the, people don't know that, um, Hitler was on a lot of cocaine too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Oh, Hitler was on a lot of, uh, oxycodone too.

Tom Segura 1:03:45 Yeah, but the coke part was always-

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:03:46 ... like, to me the, the thing that I was like, "Wait, what?" And it was his doctor that was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:03:51 ... giving it to him. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 That's what that book's all about.

Tom Segura 1:03:54 It's really fascinating how-

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:03:56 ... that whole, the whole army was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:03:57 ... all meth'd out.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Oh, yeah. And they-

Tom Segura 1:03:59 And-

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 ... would give more meth to the people that were on the front lines.

Tom Segura 1:04:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Like, the tank guys? They got the most meth.

Tom Segura 1:04:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Just fucking meth 'em up.

Tom Segura 1:04:06 Well, there's that-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Makes sense.

Tom Segura 1:04:08 ... um, people on meth, what is it? People on, people on meth love confrontation, you know? Like, they, they are-

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 Aggressive.

Tom Segura 1:04:19 Yeah. They, they seek out confrontation.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Hmm.

Tom Segura 1:04:22 So, uh, I remember I talked to Dr. Drew one time. He goes, "People on cocaine run from the cops, and people on meth run towards the cops."

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 Really?

Tom Segura 1:04:31 Yeah, so he's like, you get people on like, like a really, like, a serious coke problem, they see a uniform and they bolt.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Whoa.

Tom Segura 1:04:37 And then people on meth, like when they're, he was like, when dealing with real meth head people and they see cops, and they're like, "What's up, bitch?"

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:04:43 And they're like, they want confrontation with uniforms. Like, they just seek it out. That's fucking what they do.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Did you see that football player get pulled over?

Tom Segura 1:04:52 Yeah, man. That was fucking wild.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:04:55 Tyreek Hill?

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:04:56 Yeah, on the way to the Dolphins game.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 It's interesting, he just didn't want to roll his window down.

Tom Segura 1:05:00 I know. I, and I under- I understand, like, the, there's, like, uh, a lot of people weighing in on, you know, the, the nuances-

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:05:09 ... of this whole thing, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Right.

Tom Segura 1:05:10 ... it's, it's layered. It's not... But it's like, it, I, I mean, look, I, I, I'd, I'll never have Tyreek Hill's experience, you know? Like, uh, as being a Black guy in America, and, and-

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 In a McLaren.

Tom Segura 1:05:22 ... in a McLaren, and, and, and I don't know what it's like to get pulled over by a cop. My whole thing with cops, if I get pulled over, I always try to be like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:31 Yes sir.

Tom Segura 1:05:32 ... 10 and two, yes s- like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Yes sir.

Tom Segura 1:05:34 Now he, like, it's, uh, people are right. It's not against the law to be, to not be like that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Right.

Tom Segura 1:05:39 You're allowed to fucking, to be like, "Whatever. Hurry up and fucking figure this out."

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Right.

Tom Segura 1:05:45 You can do that. But I just feel like it's, it's not deescalating things.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Right.

Tom Segura 1:05:50 But then those cops were fucking hot with-

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:05:54 ... like, you could tell, uh, the one in particular felt like, to me watching it, that he was, he had felt humi- maybe humiliated by also either somebody he recognized or just somebody with wealth who was feeling entitled.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:06:11 That he wanted to show the other cops.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:06:15 That, like, "I don't take any shit." Which I feel like it's, it's a human emotion, but then-

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Right, but you can't have that human emotion as a cop.

Tom Segura 1:06:21 You can't.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 You can't act on it, for sure.

Tom Segura 1:06:22 You can't just fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Right.

Tom Segura 1:06:24 ... throw somebody-

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah, to the ground and cuff 'em as if they're a dangerous criminal.

Tom Segura 1:06:29 Like, like, he's like, he was a violent offender?

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Right.

Tom Segura 1:06:31 It was really fucking nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 It is nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's nut, it's nuts, but it's also, it's like, it's nuts both ways, right? It's like, roll the window down. Just-

Tom Segura 1:06:41 Roll the window down is obvious.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Say, "Yes sir."

Tom Segura 1:06:43 I don't know what the-

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 "Give your driver's license. You were speeding. You were going 103 miles an hour," or whatever they're alleging.

Tom Segura 1:06:47 I, I don't know what, what his issue was, but he just didn't feel like it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 He just had a fun car.

Tom Segura 1:06:51 That's a fucking fun car.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 That's a fun car, bro.

Tom Segura 1:06:53 Is that a 765?

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 I don't know what it is. It's-

Tom Segura 1:06:55 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 I don't know anything about McLarens, but it's fucking dope.

Tom Segura 1:06:58 They're so rad.

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 I know. I remember when you were, uh, reviewing one, when you had that, uh, car thing you were doing for a while.

Tom Segura 1:07:02 Yeah, dude, they were giving me... I've driven a lot of the lineup. I've driven a 600 LT, a 720.

Joe Rogan 1:07:08 How come you never got one?

Tom Segura 1:07:09 I don't know. I should get one.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 (laughs)

Tom Segura 1:07:12 Um, I just drove the new 750S.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:07:14 On... It's fucking phenomenal. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 They... But they're making cars that just a rich knucklehead can buy-

Tom Segura 1:07:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 ... that has i- m- the most insane speed and power.

Tom Segura 1:07:24 I remember when they sent me... Because I specifically... I, I've driven, like I said, a lot of the lineup. When I drove the 765 LT, I remember talking to, at the time he was with McLaren in F1, Daniel Ricciardo, and I was like, "Dude, I just drove this fucking thing." And I've never... I've ne- I've been driven a lot of cars. I've never been more scared of what could happen in a car. You know, I was just-

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Segura 1:07:50 I was driving down the 110, and we were doing like 70, and it was just open road, and I had, uh, somebody in the passenger seat, and he was like, "Punch it." And I mean, in the blink of an eye, we're just, we're going 130, and, and it's just like, it's so fast and so responsive, you know, the, the slightest-

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Ugh.

Tom Segura 1:08:09 ... input. And I was like, this is, this is a... It was a, it was a scary feeling where I go, "I wanna hand this in," like, "I wanna turn-

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:08:16 ... this in right now, and I also wanna order one." You know, like, I-

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 Ugh.

Tom Segura 1:08:19 Like, the both things. You're like, "I know this is bad for me-

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:08:22 ... but can I get some more Vyvanse? 'Cause this is fucking (laughs) pretty cool."

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Ugh.

Tom Segura 1:08:25 Like, that's what it felt like. It was, it was terrifying and seductive. But the conversation that I, I had with him, I was like, "It's crazy that you can just buy this-

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:08:35 ... and have n- that... There's no skill requirement associated." And he and other automotive journalists were like, "Oh, yeah, you should definitely have to prove something-

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Yeah.

Tom Segura 1:08:46 ... to drive something like this."

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 Look at that thing.

Tom Segura 1:08:49 Yeah, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Or, like, think about the Corvette ZR1. So that has an even lower bar to entry, right? That's like 200 grand, right? What's