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Joe Rogan Experience #2202 - Tom Segura

Recorded on : September 11, 2024 Tom Segura is a stand-up comic, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts, "Your Mom's House," with his wife, comic Christina Pazsitsky, and "Two Bears, One Cave," and is the author of "I'd Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays." www.ymhstudios.com This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Get 50% off your first box by heading to http://thefarmersdog.com/rogan today!

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  1. 0:00 – 1:13

    Gruesome injury videos, heel hooks, and why arm wrestling breaks bones

    1. NA

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Yeah, I- I- I've watched so many people get their legs broken.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      And I, I see it in, like, jujitsu videos all the time, where someone's, like, going for a heel hook-

    6. TS

      Uh-huh.

    7. JR

      ... and then you hear this crack, and then the guy screams in agony. And then everybody's like, "Ugh."

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      That's horrible.

    10. TS

      Yeah. And- And the arm ... There's a million arm wrestling videos.

    11. JR

      Oh. I saw a guy and a girl arm wrestling, and the guy broke the girl's arm. I'm like, "What the fuck, man?"

    12. TS

      Oh, fuck. I was just like, "How does that ..." 'Cause I- I don't wanna do it ever again, really.

    13. JR

      Arm wrestling?

    14. TS

      No.

    15. JR

      No.

    16. TS

      I think it's stupid. But, like, for- for me to get involved in. (laughs) But, like, even when I'm just like, "Well, why is this happening?" And- And there was two, these two, uh, competitors, like pro-arm wrestlers, who were like, "Well, you never- you never wanna get away from your body."

    17. JR

      Mm.

    18. TS

      So they're like, "Arms break once they're out here."

    19. JR

      Mm.

    20. TS

      So you always ... They're like, "Keep- keep your- keep your arm in tight."

    21. JR

      Mm.

    22. TS

      Like, arms don't break when you're here.

    23. JR

      Right.

    24. TS

      But if- once you get extension, they're like, "That's when-"

    25. JR

      It's the dumbest macho thing that we do.

    26. TS

      For sure.

    27. JR

      Like, guys aren't like, "You wanna arm wrestle, bro?"

  2. 1:13 – 2:53

    Louisville bar memory and the “delusional gambler” coworker challenge

    1. TS

      I did it with you once. I did it with you in Louisville. Do you remember?

    2. JR

      (laughs) No.

    3. TS

      It was a horrifying experience. It was, um, it was after a sh- ... We did a show in Louisville at the, uh, club. I think it was tied to a old- like, a UFC.

    4. JR

      Oh, okay.

    5. TS

      One of those.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TS

      It was back in the day. And we went to a- a bar afterwards, and we're shooting pool. Somebody said, "Arm wrestling." I was like ... And you were like, "You wanna do it?" (laughs)

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. TS

      I was like, "Sure." I would- Dude, I couldn't believe how strong you were. I mean, I know you're strong, but I was like ... You're like, "Go," and I was like, "I am going, dude." (laughs) Like, I couldn't get any fucking movement. I was like-

    10. JR

      Well, your fucking- that dude that works for you, that was the most ridiculous.

    11. TS

      That was hilarious. That was-

    12. JR

      D- D- Do you think he just does that because he just wants attention?

    13. TS

      No. I- I think ... I mean, there might be a little bit of that, but I really think, that's Enyj, he has this thing. It's probably just, you know, it's- it's- it's part of his wiring. It's probably gotten him somewhere in life, in- in some ways, where he just goes-

    14. JR

      He's being delusional.

    15. TS

      Being delusional about, um, "I can't lose. Like, if I- if I- if somebody says, 'I can beat you,'" and they- like, "They can't beat me." And you're like, "What are you talking about?" And then when you were pulling up, I was like, "Why don't you fucking ask him?" 'Cause I already knew what was gonna happen. And then he also loves to gamble. I was like, "Yeah, I'll take that action."

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. TS

      So- So, uh, yeah, that's Enyj. And, yeah, he-

    18. JR

      But he's not even a strong guy, that's why it was so confusing.

    19. TS

      I- (laughs)

    20. JR

      I was looking at him, I'm like, "You wanna arm wrestle?" Like-

    21. TS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      ... you're not even a strong guy. Like, you don't, like-

    23. TS

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      There's probably a lot of things you could do better than me, but this one-

    25. TS

      This one you got. Yeah.

    26. JR

      This is silly. This one's silly.

    27. TS

      But then, it is funny how our capacity for delusion is just incredible, and- and like-

    28. JR

      It can serve you well.

    29. TS

      It can.

    30. JR

      If you get lucky, right?

  3. 2:53 – 5:10

    When “delusion” keeps you alive: stage-four cancer, prognosis, and mindset

    1. TS

      Yeah. I- I think ... The two things I think- I think about, one of my friends was diagnosed with stage four lung cancer, and he found out at stage four.

    2. JR

      Oof.

    3. TS

      Right? Like, had to go to the hospital, like, 'cause his wife was like, "You're fucking sweating, and you're, you know, heavy breathing." It was after one of my shows. And so they- they go, and then the next day, they're like, "It's stage four lung cancer." And all the doctors were like, you know, "This is, uh, say goodbye to your friend." You know? And his brother found a- the expert, like, in this specific type of ... 'Cause there's, you know, there's, in oncology, there's, like, a g- like, really specialized types of cancer and treatment. And I remember talking to him, and he was like, "You know, I'm gonna beat this thing." And I was looking at him, and I was like, like, "You're so stupid." You know? Like-

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. TS

      Like, "You're definitely gonna die." (laughs) But the thing is, I saw that he believed it, 1,000% believed it.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TS

      And as he got better, I was like, "This guy's fucking delusion is serving him in this." Like, I- I think most pe- Like, I remember when my uncle got, uh, mesothelioma, and he was, like, a- a high-level urologist at the Mayo Clinic. And I remembered, when I was talking to my dad about it, he was like, "Yeah, he's too- he's too smart to ... He can read the labs. He knows what he has." Like, he- he's too smart to- to go, like, "I'm gonna beat this thing."

    8. JR

      Oh.

    9. TS

      You know what I mean? Like, you're- you're just-

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TS

      ... so well-versed.

    12. JR

      But is it a delusional thing, or has that guy had other success in life because he's just super determined?

    13. TS

      I mean, he- he's certainly a determined guy, and- and successful in what he does. But ... What's up, s- big head Steve? I'm talking about you.

    14. JR

      (laughs) Yo, big head Steve.

    15. TS

      Uh, ............................ But I really was like ... I credited this guy's ... Like, I- it- it felt like a level of delusion to believe you were gonna survive this.

    16. JR

      Right. But if he's correct, and he was correct-

    17. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      ... then it's not delusional.

    19. TS

      Cor- correct. Correct, yes.

    20. JR

      Right?

    21. TS

      But you always-

    22. JR

      Which is kind of crazy.

    23. TS

      It is kinda crazy.

    24. JR

      That the doctors were like, "You're dead."

    25. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    26. JR

      And what if he just decides, "I'm dead," and he starts freaking out, or maybe he goes to Oregon and gets assisted suicide?

    27. TS

      And so many people go down that path-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. TS

      ... right? Like, but you're right.

  4. 5:10 – 8:01

    Assisted suicide in Canada: compassion, controversy, and incentives

    1. JR

      But they're- they're whacking people left and right up in Canada.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Like, if you're depressed.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Like, if you're not feeling good, come on in.

    6. TS

      Sign up. Yeah.

    7. JR

      Fucking sign up for the program, we'll get rid of you.

    8. TS

      Where else is- it's- it's not-

    9. JR

      They'll just kill you.

    10. TS

      In Europe, they ... And, uh, in the Netherlands, don't they do that? Somewhere, uh, else.

    11. JR

      I don't know- I'm sure.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      I'm sure it's other countries, but it's a recent thing in Canada, where they're just whacking people.

    14. TS

      I didn't know they were doing that to that degree.

    15. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, Google it. Google it, because, uh, this is something you'll actually find on Google. (laughs) It's like, it's assisted suicide in Canada.

    16. TS

      The other delusion that I- 'Cause I- I just watched the Scott Peterson, uh-

    17. JR

      Is that the Laci Peterson that went-

    18. TS

      Yes.

    19. JR

      So is that one w- what ... Is the new one where people are saying maybe he didn't kill her?

    20. TS

      No. It's- it's essentially ... It's- it's fantastic. It's on Netflix. I think it's a three-part docuseries, and it begins ...... with r- 'cause, you know, it's like this reminder. It, it was 20 years ago.

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      You s- you know, time just ... You're just like, "Oh, shit, that's-"

    23. JR

      What was that story? How did that one go?

    24. TS

      So that one-

    25. JR

      "Canada's controversial medically-assisted death program is the fastest growing in the world." Damn.

    26. TS

      (gasps)

    27. JR

      "Since suicide became legal in Canada, the number of deaths have grown each year." So this is August, so this is just, uh, last month. So what is it saying in terms of the numbers? They've r- most recent data shows 13,241 people-

    28. TS

      Damn.

    29. JR

      ... in 2022.

    30. NA

      2022 it's only 1,000.

  5. 8:01 – 11:05

    Suicide, isolation, and why online life can’t replace real community

    1. JR

      I've, I've met ... I've known quite a few people that have taken their own life.

    2. TS

      Yeah, I know a few that have done it too. Um, and it's always super sad. I mean, 'cause I don't anybody that's done it, with the exception of Michael. Um, I don't know anybody that s- that's done it, um, in, in the case of a, you know, uh ...

    3. JR

      Like a medically assisted?

    4. TS

      No, no.

    5. JR

      No, Michael's the only one that I know about that.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      But, you know, there's Brody.

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Brody was a hard one. There was my friend Tony who was a pool player up in San Francisco. He jumped off the bridge.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Which is, uh, crazy that there's a spot where everybody goes.

    12. TS

      Yeah, one of my, um, college ... When I, I had jobs. Uh, I worked ... When I had ... When I was in college, I worked the whole time. I had jo- you know, part-time jobs. And one of my coworkers did. It was fucking terrible, man.

    13. JR

      (groans)

    14. TS

      And like our boss went to his apartment and found him there.

    15. JR

      (groans)

    16. TS

      It was terrible.

    17. JR

      (groans)

    18. TS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      You know, for some people, they don't think it's ever gonna get better.

    20. TS

      I know.

    21. JR

      And, you know ... And if you don't have support around you, you don't have someone that you can ... that can pick you up. And it's crazy how someone can pick you up. It's crazy how you can be just feeling like total, complete shit, and someone who cares about you can come over to your house, take you out, have some laughs.

    22. TS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      And you're like, "I think I feel better."

    24. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      'Cause we feel better around people.

    26. TS

      Yeah, man.

    27. JR

      Some, some people are super isolated too.

    28. TS

      That's, that's the dangerous one.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. TS

      And I think one of the things I realized as I got older is you don't realize how many people are lonely in this world.

  6. 11:05 – 19:05

    2024 debate breakdown: preparation, baiting, and political performance

    1. JR

      Bro. Speaking of baiting, did you watch the debate?

    2. TS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    3. JR

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    4. TS

      I forgot how-

    5. JR

      Bro, let me tell you, before I say anything, I just wanna say, whoever's helping her, whoever's coaching her-

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... whoever's the puppet master running the strings-

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... you did a fucking amazing job. They-

    10. TS

      She did a great job.

    11. JR

      They did an amazing job from the moment Biden drops out, forcing Biden to drop out, right? Whatever they're doing, whoever's writing those speeches-

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... getting her to deliver them, coaching her-

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... she's nailing it. She nailed that one speech. She's like, "Say it to my face."

    16. TS

      Oh, yeah, she-

    17. JR

      And there was cheering.

    18. TS

      Yeah, th- she nailed it, dude.

    19. JR

      And then last night, to me, when I was like, "Oh my God, this is jujitsu." Where she was like, "If you go to his rallies, his crowds are boring, they're tired, they all leave early."

    20. TS

      They're all leaving early.

    21. JR

      "My crowds are the best crowds."

    22. TS

      Oh, yeah.

    23. JR

      "I have the number one crowd."

    24. TS

      Yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      He couldn't help himself.

    26. TS

      'Cause... And she got him. She baited him on that.

    27. JR

      Oh, one-

    28. TS

      She walked him right into it.

    29. JR

      100%. 100%.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  7. 19:05 – 21:54

    Voter ID, immigration, and “you can’t tell what’s true anymore”

    1. TS

      The immigration issue is a legit, real issue and this go- it's in our state predominantly too, you know, because we're-

    2. JR

      It's a lot of it here, yeah.

    3. TS

      Yeah. So, I mean-

    4. JR

      A lot of it in California, a lot of it in Arizona. But it, it's a real issue.

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      And, look, you and I are both the products of immigration. Immigration is fucking awesome. But, hey, maybe when they do stuff that's bad, you should put them in jail. Like-

    7. TS

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      ... hey, maybe. Hey, maybe you should use the same laws on them. Hey, maybe-

    9. TS

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      ... if ... We should check to see if they're murderers before they come across the border?

    11. TS

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Hey, maybe.

    13. TS

      I know. It's-

    14. JR

      Hey, maybe.

    15. TS

      It's a, the, this ... They just turned ... I mean, this current administration just was like, "Oh, yeah, we should," just recently.

    16. JR

      Do you think the, but they, recently, I think it's they're also flying people in, which is f- crazy. But recently, um, I think it's because they want people that are on the fence. You know, the people that are on the fence, 'cause this is not-

    17. TS

      That's, that's all it plays to.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      It's all that matters.

    20. JR

      But once they're in, again, if they're in again, they'll probably do the same thing. Because what you're doing is you're essentially changing states that are swing states into blue. Because if you're gonna give these people money and debit cards and food stamps and, and let them come in, and even, they're even talking about gender reassignment surgeries-

    21. TS

      Yeah, I heard this. Yeah.

    22. JR

      I, I don't know if that's true.

    23. TS

      I don't know if it's true either.

    24. JR

      Find out if that's true. 'Cause that i- i- that's part of the problem with this whole, "People are eating cats." It's like you don't fucking know what's true anymore.

    25. TS

      That's amazing.

    26. JR

      And if you just read things on the internet or you hear things on the radio, who fucking knows what's true?

    27. TS

      Which is why, like, 'cause a lot of people were also, you know, talking about the moderators interjecting a bunch, right?

    28. JR

      Yes.

    29. TS

      But, like, part of that, I mean, feels like you kind of need some of that interjecting, because otherwise things are just said, and you-

    30. JR

      Right.

  8. 21:54 – 31:55

    Conspiracy fuel: the ‘earring earpiece’ theory and espionage tech fascination

    1. JR

      That's dumb. Yeah. Uh, you should definitely could evolve and you could be wrong. And that's part of being a good leader, is recognizing you're wrong and correcting your course. That's all good. What is going on with the ear- earrings?

    2. TS

      The earrings?

    3. JR

      Do you know about this, the earring controversy?

    4. TS

      No. No.

    5. JR

      Okay.

    6. NA

      That's all I've heard.

    7. JR

      So, there are people that believe that what she was wearing last night was the type of earring that they use for, um, y- it's like an, it's an earpiece. Like, you can talk through it.

    8. TS

      No.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. TS

      Really?

    11. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    12. NA

      But why, why would she have to? I ju- I saw her too.

    13. JR

      So someone could talk to her.

    14. NA

      Anybody.

    15. JR

      So someone could coach her.

    16. NA

      Don't they have better ear, ear, earpieces than ...

    17. JR

      Well, no, Jamie. They want one that looks like a fucking earring so you can just wear it. Duh. Like, if you have one that looks like an earpiece, like, oh, like if Trump-

    18. TS

      Well-

    19. JR

      ... had one right through the bullet hole-

    20. TS

      This, this is definitely-

    21. JR

      ... or a wire through his bullet hole-

    22. TS

      ... gonna take off if they're already saying this.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. NA

      This is going on Twitter, I'll-

    25. JR

      But here's the thing, it does look exactly-

    26. NA

      Like?

    27. JR

      ... like the ones that they use for, uh, with, what are they called? Nova Earphones.

    28. TS

      Okay.

    29. JR

      So there's a video. I'll s- I'll send you the video, uh, Jamie. But there's a video of this, uh, thing in action. It's pretty fucking interesting. Because, um, in the video, they're just, they're showing that these, uh, little earphones, like it's a commercial. And it's pretty cool.

    30. TS

      Hm.

  9. 31:55 – 35:46

    Doomscrolling, censorship paradoxes, and the ‘dark algorithm’ feedback loop

    1. JR

      But it's, it's not good for anybody. And that's why I am a- absolutely addicted to looking at things on my phone. I'm addicted to watching YouTube. I'm addicted to stories, just looking at stories on Google. And a lot of it is nonsense-

    2. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... but a lot of it is super interesting science stuff. There's a lot... I get a lot of super interesting science stuff all day, and people send me-

    4. TS

      Try to do-

    5. JR

      ... super interesting stuff.

    6. TS

      ... productive stuff. I try to, like-

    7. JR

      Yeah, but not you and me.

    8. TS

      I... Well, you and me have a bad thing going.

    9. JR

      We have a bad thing.

    10. TS

      Very bad.

    11. JR

      You and me, our text... Which is what I was gonna get to. Our text message chain is the fucking-

    12. TS

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      ... worst thing on the internet.

    14. TS

      It's so dark. People go, "Hey," 'cause they hear about it-

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. TS

      ... and they go, "Include me." And I go, "You want me to ruin-

    17. JR

      Fuck.

    18. TS

      ... your fucking life?"

    19. JR

      First of all...

    20. TS

      "You want your whole algorithm to be just the darkest..."

    21. JR

      M... Yeah. This is my and Tommy's thing. But the, the, the darkest, the darkest things we find. And-

    22. TS

      My algorithm is a, a confusing-

    23. JR

      Oh, yeah. It's a mess.

    24. TS

      Like, uh, uh, it's confusing, it's dark, semi-erotic, and, and it's just the most peculiar... Like, there's also... I, I just can't help... With all the censorship that has become... You know, it's so prevalent.

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. TS

      It's one of the big topics of the last five years. I still don't understand why I get to watch murders on-

    27. JR

      All day long.

    28. TS

      I mean, I-

    29. JR

      All day long.

    30. TS

      I get to see, on my Instagram, uh, executions, a lot of Russian car accidents and manufacturing mishaps-

  10. 35:46 – 43:56

    Modern war in your feed: drones hunting people and trench GoPro footage

    1. TS

      Yeah. And, and dr- uh, the war footage-

    2. JR

      Oh.

    3. TS

      The drone footage-

    4. JR

      Oh, God.

    5. TS

      ... is just, like, fucking-

    6. JR

      I saw one yesterday where this drone-

    7. TS

      (sighs)

    8. JR

      ... a kamikaze drone-

    9. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      ... was coming after these guys, and they were shooting at it with AKs-

    11. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      ... and they couldn't take it down. The thing was evading the bullets. And then finally, it moved in, and the guy threw his AK at it, and it blew up, and it saved his life.

    13. TS

      Really?

    14. JR

      He threw his fucking rifle at the-

    15. TS

      At the-

    16. JR

      ... drone as it was coming to sw- 'Cause they, they dive on you and blow up.

    17. TS

      ... I, I, I think s- being able to see those... I will say this, gives you, like, a very sobering perspective-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      ... on modern day war.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TS

      'Cause that's obviously... You know, that wasn't a thing in Vietnam or, or World War II.

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. TS

      And you see a... But, like, the fact that you see these guys out in a field, you know?

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. TS

      Whatever side they're on, I'm just talking about the, the reality of these human beings run... And then this fucking drone with a camera is chasing them down.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. TS

      And it can, it can just blow. It just kind of-

    28. JR

      Well, this is the first time that's ever happened in war.

    29. TS

      Oh, it's fucking so disturbing.

    30. JR

      The first time we've ever had drones that chase people.

  11. 43:56 – 48:58

    State power and control tech: digital currency fears, OnStar kill-switches, and abuse

    1. JR

      And that's, you know, that's, this is what's scary about what's going on in this country, is there's some people that have the notion that in order for us to compete with these other countries, we have to govern people in a more similar way than they do. They have to have more control over information, more control over what people say and do, more control over money. You know, c- China now has centralized d- digital currency in some places, which is, that's very scary.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Once the, once the government has complete access to your money and be able to shut your money off, or t- like, you saw what happened in Canada with the truckers.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      So these people just donated money to this trucker protest, that's all they did-

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... donate money, and Canada shut their bank accounts down. Which is, that's scary stuff, man.

    8. TS

      It's very scary.

    9. JR

      That's banana republic shit. And that's, you could walk to Canada.

    10. TS

      Remember-

    11. JR

      It's not that far.

    12. TS

      ... to the, um, you know when the, when we had the, uh, what was it called? What's the company that they had the malfunction, and then airlines just stopped for a fucking day?

    13. JR

      Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    14. TS

      Um, I remember my friends was bringing up how, you know, all these m- car manufacturers have, are starting, are pledging, you know, we'll be fully electric by-

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. TS

      ... 2035 or whatever, and I'm like, man, for me, I've just always been like, yeah, that, that would suck, just because I like (laughs) cars-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TS

      ... that are gas powered. And, um, you know, I'm a, I guess I'm a dinosaur in that way. But-

    19. JR

      No, they're cool.

    20. TS

      They're cool, but what my friend was like, he was like, you know, he brought up that, that, um, that malfunction. He was like, "You know, I just keep thinking about it if we were all electric, that the government could also just go like, 'Doop.'" Like-

    21. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    22. TS

      ... cars don't work today.

    23. JR

      Well, there's cars today that have, um, OnStar on them.

    24. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      That the police can shut your car off.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      So if you're running a high-speed chase from the cops and you have some vehicle that has OnStar on it-

    28. TS

      They can just-

    29. JR

      ... they just hit a button. Is that true? Make sure that's true. That might be theoretical. I think it's true, though. I think they could just shut your car off.

    30. TS

      But that's pretty, that's pretty scary.

  12. 48:58 – 56:48

    Search manipulation and ‘your phone is listening’: testing the surveillance hunch

    1. JR

      Well, we're seeing that with our... with, with Google searches. Nobody ever thought that you could just manipulate Google searches.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      But you 100% can. I had Robert Epstein on the other day, and he was explaining how it's done and what they do, and they're capturing all these ef- ephemeral. Um, so like every time like Google shows you stories, or every time you Google something, they record what Google shows you.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      And every time you Google something about Trump, it's gonna show you all the negative. You Google about Kamala Harris, gonna show you all the positive.

    6. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      And just by doing that, for the casual voter, they can change the vote.

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      By a significant percentage.

    10. TS

      It's really, it's insane. And also, the, the listening thing, you know?

    11. JR

      No.

    12. TS

      It's like, when I... I ran into a, a Meta engineer when I was on the road, at a hotel. He was like, "Oh, I'm a fan," and we just started talking, and I was like, "Hey, man," 'cause we had just talked with, with the... I was with my tour crew about... Ah, this is so fucking... You know.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TS

      It's the thing you keep going, this is so weird that we are having this conversation, and-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TS

      ... and it's right here.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TS

      Like it's, it's A, it's in my algorithm now, and then also I'm getting emails about this.

    19. JR

      Very strange.

    20. TS

      So strange. And then we, we didn't like, in our, an experiment. I was like, "All right, let's just keep talking about Lamborghinis." Like I... like, "Let's just keep talking about them." And we just kept talking about them in this conversation with our phones out. And then, I don't know, two hours later we were all sharing like, "Look at my thing. It's just... like my algorithm now has Lamborghinis, and I got a email about a Lamborghini." Like I was... it's so... and he goes, he goes, "Well, you know we listen, right?" And I go, "Well, yeah, I mean, I, I figure like, I know that we've all kind of talked about it, but like it's weird to have you confirm it, you know?"

    21. JR

      Did he say they listen when the app is open?

    22. TS

      He didn't... we didn't, it didn't go that far. He was just like, "Well, you know we listen to you, like-"

    23. JR

      Have you ever done an experiment where all your, all your apps are closed, and you just start talking about something to see if Google picks that up?

    24. TS

      Uh-uh.

    25. JR

      'Cause that would be interesting.

    26. TS

      That's a fun one.

    27. JR

      We should do that right now.

    28. TS

      Okay.

    29. JR

      Okay, what should we talk about?

    30. TS

      (sighs)

  13. 56:48 – 1:04:50

    Mushroom gummies, creatine for cognition, Vyvanse focus, and ‘Blitzed’ Nazi stimulants

    1. TS

      It's so nice to start... You know what I did yesterday?

    2. JR

      Want one?

    3. TS

      I, um... Oh, yeah. Sure.

    4. JR

      Yeah, you look great. Come on, bro.

    5. TS

      I, um, I had a gummy, a mushroom gummy.

    6. JR

      Ooh.

    7. TS

      It was so good.

    8. JR

      Just a light one?

    9. TS

      I like it. Yeah.

    10. JR

      Yeah, just something light.

    11. TS

      It was nice.

    12. JR

      Shouldn't that be legal, Tommy Buns?

    13. TS

      Is it not? (laughs)

    14. JR

      It kind- I mean, it kinda is. Depends on the mushroom.

    15. TS

      Um...

    16. JR

      I take a lot of, uh, functional mushrooms.

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Like over the last six months or some, so I've been taking, uh, reiki and cordyceps and...

    19. TS

      I gotta get you one of these, though, that I, that, uh-

    20. JR

      Yeah?

    21. TS

      They're really good.

    22. JR

      Oh.

    23. TS

      Smooth. Very nice. I'd, I'm also, like, uh, a bit naive, as I haven't partaken that much before.

    24. JR

      Yes.

    25. TS

      So I did mine, like, before bed.

    26. JR

      Oh, no.

    27. TS

      And then I put, like, an eye mask on, and I was like, "Ha."

    28. JR

      Oh, no.

    29. TS

      Just looking.

    30. JR

      You saw some things.

  14. 1:04:50 – 1:16:26

    Tyreek Hill traffic stop, de-escalation, and then… supercars as street missiles

    1. JR

      Did you see that football player get pulled over?

    2. TS

      Yeah, man. That was fucking wild.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. TS

      Tyreek Hill?

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. TS

      Yeah, on the way to the Dolphins game.

    7. JR

      It's interesting, he just didn't want to roll his window down.

    8. TS

      I know. I, and I under- I understand, like, the, there's, like, uh, a lot of people weighing in on, you know, the, the nuances-

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. TS

      ... of this whole thing, 'cause-

    11. JR

      Right.

    12. TS

      ... it's, it's layered. It's not... But it's like, it, I, I mean, look, I, I, I'd, I'll never have Tyreek Hill's experience, you know? Like, uh, as being a Black guy in America, and, and-

    13. JR

      In a McLaren.

    14. TS

      ... in a McLaren, and, and, and I don't know what it's like to get pulled over by a cop. My whole thing with cops, if I get pulled over, I always try to be like-

    15. JR

      Yes sir.

    16. TS

      ... 10 and two, yes s- like-

    17. JR

      Yes sir.

    18. TS

      Now he, like, it's, uh, people are right. It's not against the law to be, to not be like that.

    19. JR

      Right.

    20. TS

      You're allowed to fucking, to be like, "Whatever. Hurry up and fucking figure this out."

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. TS

      You can do that. But I just feel like it's, it's not deescalating things.

    23. JR

      Right.

    24. TS

      But then those cops were fucking hot with-

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. TS

      ... like, you could tell, uh, the one in particular felt like, to me watching it, that he was, he had felt humi- maybe humiliated by also either somebody he recognized or just somebody with wealth who was feeling entitled.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. TS

      That he wanted to show the other cops.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TS

      That, like, "I don't take any shit." Which I feel like it's, it's a human emotion, but then-

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