Joe Rogan Experience #2207 - Shawn Ryan

1. 0:00 – 1:07

   Shawn Ryan’s interview style, UFO guests, and why the “camps” don’t talk

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's up, Sean? How are you, man?

   3. SRShawn Ryan0:14

      How's it going?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Nice to meet ya.

   5. SRShawn Ryan0:15

      Nice to meet you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I really enjoy your show. It's, uh, it's very different. Like, uh, I was, uh, like, when I first started watching it, I was like, "Oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people."

   7. SRShawn Ryan0:25

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Like... (laughs) 'cause it's... I like... You're like a Navy SEAL Art Bell.

   9. SRShawn Ryan0:29

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's ki-... It's kinda cool, man. You know? Like, you... 'cause, like, you g-... You go out there with people, like that one dude that was, uh, saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica, and you-

   11. SRShawn Ryan0:38

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... you're letting that go... guy go out. He's going out on a long-ass pier.

   13. SRShawn Ryan0:41

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs)

   15. SRShawn Ryan0:42

       Eric Hecker.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       All those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing... Is it John Alexander?

   17. SRShawn Ryan0:48

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is that the gentleman that worked with, like, UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries?

   19. SRShawn Ryan0:54

       He's done it all. He's done-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Fascinating.

   21. SRShawn Ryan0:56

       He's done it all.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right?

   23. SRShawn Ryan1:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       That guy. W- what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kinda shit?

   25. SRShawn Ryan1:05

       (inhales deeply) I don't... (sighs) Yeah.

2. 1:07 – 4:51

   UFO skepticism, government compartmentalization, and the “Little Green Men” database story

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      How much do you believe it though? Like, it's l-... Like, when I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, "Don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense." There's something that... It just feels like su-... Like, if they told me a super v- uh, volcano was gonna erupt, I would believe it, 'cause supervolcanoes are definitely real, and they've... We've... There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations. They tell me that there's UFOs and part of me is just like, "F-... I don't fucking believe you."

   2. SRShawn Ryan1:35

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      You know what I mean?

   4. SRShawn Ryan1:37

      Yeah, I know... You know... (sighs) I mean, I th-... You know what bothers me about the whole camp is nobody... none of these camps, like, talk to each other.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Right.

   6. SRShawn Ryan1:47

      It's, it's: my camp knows everything.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      Isn't that always the case though?

   8. SRShawn Ryan1:51

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      That's the case in the military often, right?

   10. SRShawn Ryan1:52

       Oh, yeah. I was gonna compare it to special ops. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       (laughs)

   12. SRShawn Ryan1:57

       It's like, "That guy doesn't know shit. I know ev-..." You know? That's, uh, that's kinda how...

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       When I was real young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was, uh, she did something in government and she was explaining to me. So this is pre-internet-ish, you know? Like, people didn't have the internet then. It's like, (clicks tongue) like early '90s, right? And she said that she w-... she... One of her jobs was to make sure that information that the, the Navy had received would be available to the Army. So, like, you, you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests. Like, "We already did this. We'll get you this information." So there was, like, some sort of a database in these computer terminals where she could share information and, uh, she had some sort of top clearance, and one day, like, just fucking around, she wrote Little Green Men-

   14. SRShawn Ryan2:51

       Interesting.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       ... in, in the search function. And her computer got shut down and then people visited her and they asked her, like, "What are you doing?" Like, "Why did you... Why did you look this up?" Like, "What is this all about?" And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost, uh, whatever clearance that she had.

   16. SRShawn Ryan3:11

       Interesting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       But-

   18. SRShawn Ryan3:12

       I've not heard that one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       Uh, when I was young, I was like, "Whoa, aliens are real." But as an older man now, looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job. Like, maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not... There was no request to look up Little Green Men.

   20. SRShawn Ryan3:30

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       There was, like... She, she did it on her own. Like-

   22. SRShawn Ryan3:32

       Is this 100% factual?

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Hard to tell.

   24. SRShawn Ryan3:35

       You know, it's just-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       Hard to tell, 'cause it was a girl I dated. I don't, I don't really know.

   26. SRShawn Ryan3:38

       Oh, you dated her?

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       Yeah, I dated her. Yeah.

   28. SRShawn Ryan3:41

       Nice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       This is... Yeah, like, like I said, early '90s, I was living in New York. I had actually dated her in Boston, then we met up again in New York a couple years later. So she was telling me about her job and then she was telling me, like, "Check this out."

   30. SRShawn Ryan3:54

       (laughs)
3. 4:51 – 6:03

   JFK secrecy, presidential “short-term employee” theory, and why truths stay buried

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right?

   2. SRShawn Ryan4:53

      What did he say?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      Trump said that, "If they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't wanna release it either."

   4. SRShawn Ryan4:57

      Oh yeah, yeah. I did hear that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:00

      Crazy. What a crazy thing to say.

   6. SRShawn Ryan5:03

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      That can only mean one thing in my eyes.

   8. SRShawn Ryan5:05

      (coughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      That we did it.

   10. SRShawn Ryan5:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       It's the only, the only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.

   12. SRShawn Ryan5:11

       I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       T- Tucker just comes out and says it openly.

   14. SRShawn Ryan5:17

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       He just says it openly.

   16. SRShawn Ryan5:18

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       "CIA killed Kennedy." He, he has that crazy laugh. (laughs) I don't, you know... I don't know who could actually say other than the people that have read those papers and, you know... And who knows what they... What... You know, the, the, the president is basically a part-time employee. Not a part-time employee, but a part-... a short-term employee. You know, if you got a long running business and for some technicality every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO and he does a four-year term and then hopefully you can finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules. And you just bring him in, and you bring him in.

   18. SRShawn Ryan5:54

       That's a good way to put it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       Yeah, why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy?

   20. SRShawn Ryan5:57

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       They hid shit from him all the time.Yeah. Which is totally illegal.

4. 6:03 – 13:56

   RFK Jr., food additives, glyphosate, fluoride, and distrust in FDA approval

   1. SRShawn Ryan6:03

      What do you, what do you think about, uh, RFK's, you know, possibly getting in to, uh, investigate all that stuff?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States. If you really care about health, I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it, a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications.

   3. SRShawn Ryan6:29

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      And I don't think we're being told the truth, and I think there's a reason why other countries, multiple other countries, have banned food elements, uh, food, like, ingredients that we use all the time, these red dyes, all these different things. And this was all, uh, there was just a, a recent thing that they did, who, who was involved in that? Brigham testified in that.

   5. NANarrator6:52

      Yeah. That was yesterday.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:53

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   7. SRShawn Ryan9:22

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:22

      It doesn't make any sense.

   9. SRShawn Ryan9:23

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       And we've been doing it forever, and there's no reason to do it, and there's, like, real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

   11. SRShawn Ryan9:38

       Wow, I didn't know that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       Yeah.

   13. SRShawn Ryan9:40

       Have you, have you, uh, have you messed around with the... Have you heard of the Yuka app?

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       No.

   15. SRShawn Ryan9:45

       Dude, you gotta get the Yuka app.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       What is it?

   17. SRShawn Ryan9:47

       So, you basically scan anything, uh, like food-related.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       It's Y-U-K-A?

   19. SRShawn Ryan9:53

       Soap, deodorant.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       How do you spell it?

   21. SRShawn Ryan9:54

       I think it's, I think it's Y-U-C-A.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Nice.

   23. SRShawn Ryan9:58

       There it is.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Make it a... Nice.

   25. SRShawn Ryan9:59

       There it is.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Y-U-K-A.

   27. SRShawn Ryan10:01

       Show-

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Shout out to Yuka.

   29. SRShawn Ryan10:02

       You s- There it is. See, like, Honey Nut Chi- it's, so it'll tell you the additives in there.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       Ah. It contains additives to avoid. Sugar, too sweet.
5. 13:56 – 20:39

   Crowder undercover: mpox drug messaging, media narratives, and official hypocrisy

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      (laughs) Also, have you seen, uh, the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York?

   2. SRShawn Ryan14:03

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:03

      Have you seen that? Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one, 'cause the most recent one is fascinating. 'Cause in the most recent one, this guy's openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat, so they could sell this medication.

   4. SRShawn Ryan14:21

      Interesting.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:21

      And they're, they're talking about pushing this med-... This guy's openly talking about, "Monkeypox is really just gay guys get it from unprotected" ... What? Let's ... I'll let it-

   6. NANarrator14:29

      There's another video on. That's not the video. Uh, that's the, that's the guy though, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:33

      Yeah. Is it on his Instagram? Go to it. I'll show you which one it is.

   8. NANarrator14:36

      It's just not playing a video. Oh, maybe here.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:39

      Yeah, that's it.

   10. NANarrator14:41

       Okay. But the teachers union did it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       Is it ... No, no, no, no, no, that's not it. That's not it. That's th- ... 'Cause that's the one where he's talking about, um, how he shut the, the city down. There's a recent one. No.

   12. NANarrator14:53

       That's it. That's the last one he played.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       I know. Maybe it's somewhere else. Oh, let me just scroll down a little bit. See if you can find the one ... See that one right there that's, that kinda, that's kinda yellow. That's yellow, there.

   14. NANarrator15:03

       That's the one I played.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       But which one ... There's gotta be one where he's talking about monkeypox.

   16. NANarrator15:10

       Uh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       'Cause that was the one I was watching today.

   18. NANarrator15:11

       I don't know. Let me see.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       That's, that's not, 'cause that's all about, uh, shutting the schools down. Goddammit, we gotta find it.

   20. NANarrator15:20

       I'll find it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Okay. Just find it and g- get to us, 'cause I, I know he ... I might have watched it on X. I probably thought ... I'm saying X now.

   22. SRShawn Ryan15:29

       Yeah. Good for you.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Now I feel, I feel politically correct.

   24. NANarrator15:31

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Like, when I call a transgender person a girl, she.

   26. NANarrator15:34

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Like, you like that, how I did that?

   28. SRShawn Ryan15:36

       Yeah. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       I said she. (laughs) It's like-

   30. NANarrator15:38

       Not this, where he's talking to him directly?
6. 20:39 – 33:39

   Politics as performance: rally crowds, geofencing claims, debate bias, and viral misinformation traps

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:39

      (clicks tongue) It's like a bunch of actors are running it. That's what it's like 'cause that's what they're really like. What politicians are like are like actors who're not quite good-looking enough to get into movies and television shows. They-

   2. NANarrator20:49

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:49

      They can't host Entertainment Tonight, but they can read off a teleprompter, you know, and they can do a good per- like, look, Kamala Harris had one good read off a teleprompter and she shot up in the polls. That's the power of just a performance when you wanna believe something.

   4. NANarrator21:07

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      You wanna believe.

   6. NANarrator21:08

      That's true. I mean, I just, I don't believe anything anymore, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:12

      Well-

   8. NANarrator21:12

      I just, I can't.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:13

      ... I was watching this, these guys were breaking down, you know, their, they can track cell phones, they can figure out, like, whose cell phone was there, they, they can get metadata, and they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are. These people are coming in on buses and many of them have been to multiple rallies and that when this one, this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else and they were all bused in. And-

   10. NANarrator21:36

       How do they know that? How do they know that?

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       Well, I'll, I'll, I'll send this to Jamie 'cause this one I actually have, but I think they know it because of the da- you could track data on a phone now.

   12. NANarrator21:47

       Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff?

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when, when your phone has been in an area. Okay, I found this guy's... I found, I found his, uh, the other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie, 'cause it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

   14. NANarrator22:07

       Uh, yeah, there's an hour and a half video on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken from.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:11

       Yeah, but this is the, the clip. I'm sending the clip from Instagram for whatever... I don't know if Instagram's hiding it. I don't know what's happening, but, um...

   16. NANarrator22:20

       They wouldn't do that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:21

       No way.

   18. NANarrator22:22

       (laughs)

   19. It was on his... Oh, it's on his Louder with Crowder page, that's why.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       Oh, is that what it is?

   21. NANarrator22:25

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, what, what they were, what they were... essentially what they were showing is that... oh, here it is. That people... it's just very organized and people are being bused in and, well, you know, is that okay? Is that ethical? I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally. Nothing wrong with that.

   23. NANarrator22:52

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       But if you're organizing crowds, like say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, "Wheel of Fortune." "Hello ladies and gentlemen." Those people are all paid. They're, most of 'em are, or, um, sometimes you, you let fans do it for, like, a very popular show, but I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid. So-

   25. NANarrator23:13

       Interesting.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       ... it's, it's basically like, um, like if you're filming a sitcom, you can... and nobody knows what the sitcom is, you, there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in and the, the people cheer, they have an applause sign. Everybody cheers, they laugh when you tell 'em to laugh. Like, there's a guy in the audience that's, like, doing this to them that the people at home don't see.

   27. NANarrator23:34

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       So it's just... it's all theater, right? So...... they could do that same strategy for a political rally.

   29. SRShawn Ryan23:42

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:42

       Easily. If you're talking about all the money that's, you're gonna be in control of when you're the president of the United States-
7. 33:39 – 53:02

   Assassination attempts, media trust collapse, and platform censorship economics

   1. SRShawn Ryan33:39

      What do you think, uh ... I mean, have you thought about who's behind all this, these assassination attempts? Do you think they're lone wolfs or ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:47

      Well, was it Matt Gaetz that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump i- in the country right now?

   3. SRShawn Ryan33:57

      Somebody did just say that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:58

      Two of them are domestic?

   5. NANarrator34:00

      I think Trump said that. I was just looking at-

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:01

      Trump said it?

   7. NANarrator34:03

      Oh, uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:03

      "There's five guys!"

   9. SRShawn Ryan34:05

      (laughs)

   10. NANarrator34:07

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       "They think they're gonna get me. They're not gonna get me."

   12. NANarrator34:10

       Yeah, he got two right here.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       So what's the quote? Uh, "Big threats on my life by Iran. The U.S. military is watching and waiting. Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone. I am surrounded by more men, guns, and weapons than I have ever seen before. Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money f- to Secret Service. Zero no votes." What? What? "Zero no votes, strictly bipartisan." Okay. Oh, z- I understand. Zero no votes. Like b- no one voted against it. "Strictly bipartisan. Nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something. An attack on a former president is a death wish for the attacker." Yeah, um, it wasn't just him that was saying that though. It was, um, I'm, I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gaetz. I know I have that saved too if you wanna ... But, uh, so if there really are five different kill teams in, in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane.

   14. SRShawn Ryan35:12

       I bet it should be hard to find him, you know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:14

       Y- I mean, he has rallies, you know. Giant rallies.

   16. SRShawn Ryan35:17

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       In New York there was 60,000 people.

   18. SRShawn Ryan35:19

       That's insane.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       So that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rallies.

   20. SRShawn Ryan35:22

       It's a lot of buses.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       If they're guys telling the truth.

   22. SRShawn Ryan35:24

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       If they're guys telling the truth and they really are just sort of manipulating this and putting on theater, that's a big difference between what's happening with Trump.

   24. SRShawn Ryan35:33

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       If he's, he got, organically he got 60,000 people to come see him and, and freak out in New York.... it's kind of, the media is a monster. It really is.

   26. SRShawn Ryan35:43

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:43

       It is a, it's a, it's such an obvious monster, such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster.

   28. SRShawn Ryan35:51

       It's f- it's... How long do you think the media has left?

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       They'll be around.

   30. SRShawn Ryan35:55

       You think so?
8. 53:02 – 1:08:49

   Border and immigration: ‘do it the right way,’ incentives, and post-Afghanistan terror pipeline fears

   1. JRJoe Rogan53:02

      It is what it is. It, the... I mean, factually, that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you... You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy raid or fucking J.Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights-

   2. SRShawn Ryan53:34

      The BP1 app.

   3. JRJoe Rogan53:35

      What the fuck?

   4. SRShawn Ryan53:36

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan53:37

      That sounds like the cr-... You know, I had Chamath on. Do y- do you know Chamath?

   6. SRShawn Ryan53:42

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan53:42

      I don't wanna mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy. And w- we were talking about...... how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country, and how difficult it was to, to get a visa. And I mean, this is a brilliant guy who was one of the... He started Facebook, you know? He was one of the original guys at Facebook. And he's this guy who did it the right way, and every step of the way, there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed, because he didn't know if he was gonna get kicked out of the country. Because someone could arbitrarily go, "You know what? Not good enough." Because he had to prove to be here, that he has skills that an American doesn't have.

   8. SRShawn Ryan54:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan54:20

      That he's, he's a real expert in something.

   10. SRShawn Ryan54:23

       I- y- you know, the... I went down, uh, to the border about, I think it was about two, two years ago-ish, maybe a little longer, and, uh, I went down with Ed Calderon and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan54:35

       I love Ed.

   12. SRShawn Ryan54:35

       Yeah, what a great guy, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan54:36

       He's a great guy. I've met him only a couple times.

   14. SRShawn Ryan54:38

       Yeah, that's where all... That's where I found him, so thank you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan54:41

       (laughs)

   16. SRShawn Ryan54:41

       But, um, but, uh, so no, I went down to TJ with him, and this was b-... This was like before it really, really hit the s-... Hit the news cycle. And we walked into a migrant camp. There was probably a couple thousand migrants there. And, uh, so I yanked one of them out and interviewed him, and, uh, you know, used Ed to, to help translate and... I mean, the guy's been sitting there for like... I think he was there with his wife and kids for like two years, and I as-... I was like, "Why don't you just, like, go across, dude?" It's... (laughs) I mean, it's just an honest question, like, "Why don't you just go across?" He said he wanted to do it the right way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan55:23

       Wow.

   18. SRShawn Ryan55:23

       You know? He's like, "Nah." He's like, "I just wanna do it the right way," and-

   19. JRJoe Rogan55:26

       Oh my God.

   20. SRShawn Ryan55:27

       ... he's running around with this little battery pack charging cell phones for 50 cents.

   21. JRJoe Rogan55:32

       (sighs)

   22. SRShawn Ryan55:33

       You know? And I'm like... I'm just like, "Fucking A, man." Like, why don't... Like, why don't they just... 'Cause I don't... I, th-... Nobody's anti-immigration.

   23. JRJoe Rogan55:42

       No.

   24. SRShawn Ryan55:42

       Not that I know of, and it's like, "Why don't you just unfuck the-"

   25. JRJoe Rogan55:44

       No, we're anti-terrorist sneaking in.

   26. SRShawn Ryan55:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan55:46

       Yeah.

   28. SRShawn Ryan55:46

       Why don't you just unfuck the immigration process, and maybe we can get some more people in here quicker, legally, if you do that, and then we actually know who's coming in, and we have-

   29. JRJoe Rogan55:59

       Yeah.

   30. SRShawn Ryan55:59

       ... documentation of who they are and-
9. 1:08:49 – 1:15:51

   China and critical infrastructure: grid vulnerabilities, transformers, land near bases, and offshoring costs

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:08:49

      Yeah, it's nuts, but getting away from manufacturing in this country really did not do this country any justice. It's just to, for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third world countries to manufacture things. That's including our phones.

   2. SRShawn Ryan1:09:02

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:09:02

      And I've said this over and over again. If Apple could make an American-made phone and charge me more money, I'd pay double for it.

   4. SRShawn Ryan1:09:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:09:09

      Ch- charge me a phone where I know the people get union wages, they get healthcare, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work normal hours. They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building to keep people from jumping from the roofs.

   6. SRShawn Ryan1:09:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:09:27

      You've seen that shit, right?

   8. SRShawn Ryan1:09:29

      No, actually, I haven't.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:09:30

      You haven't seen that?

   10. SRShawn Ryan1:09:31

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:09:31

       The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked, the people are so distraught, that they put f- ... All these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings 'cause so many people were jumping to their death, uh, they decided, "We'll just catch them with nets."

   12. SRShawn Ryan1:09:49

       Are you serious?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:09:50

       Yeah. Look at this. Those are the nets. Those are suicide nets-

   14. SRShawn Ryan1:09:53

       Holy shit. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:09:53

       ... all around the buildings.

   16. SRShawn Ryan1:09:54

       Sorry, buddy. Back to the assembly line.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:09:56

       (laughs) Damn, that is fucked up, man.

   18. SRShawn Ryan1:09:58

       How crazy is that? How crazy is that? Wow.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09:59

       Instead of making the conditions better where people don't wanna kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building, they go, "Nah, nets is fine. Fuck those people."

   20. SRShawn Ryan1:10:09

       Dude, it's ... I mean, it's straight slavery.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10:12

       Yeah. It's close to it. I mean, it's a ... They don't really have any other options. And when you're getting a phone, you know, and ... What's a phone, like, two ... 1,500 bucks? Is that what it is? Charge 2,000.

   22. SRShawn Ryan1:10:25

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

       Charge 2,000. People will pay it. You're ... Most people are, like, putting it on a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it o- of it off every day, and you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year. Like, everybody does, but you don't need to. It's stupid. Like, I have a 2000 ... I have a, a iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, like, one of my numbers. Fucking works great. Nothing wrong with it.

   24. SRShawn Ryan1:10:44

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:10:45

       Nothing wrong with it.

   26. SRShawn Ryan1:10:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:10:46

       Five-year-old phone or four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is. Uh, uh, so you could get a made in America phone and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody turns a blind eye to, 'cause that's the only way you get that kinda stuff. Y- you know, they, they have them all made over there.

   28. SRShawn Ryan1:11:04

       Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh ... I don't think it's coming back, but ...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:11:10

       Well, it could. I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort, but the problem is, it took decades to go away. It'll probably take slightly longer to come back, you know, 'cause there's gotta be planning and funding, and people have to make long-term investments. It's gonna be a b- a big gamble.

   30. SRShawn Ryan1:11:26

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:42:09