Joe Rogan Experience #2207 - Shawn Ryan

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's up, Sean? How are you, man?

   3. SRShawn Ryan0:14

      How's it going?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Nice to meet ya.

   5. SRShawn Ryan0:15

      Nice to meet you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I really enjoy your show. It's, uh, it's very different. Like, uh, I was, uh, like, when I first started watching it, I was like, "Oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people."

   7. SRShawn Ryan0:25

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Like... (laughs) 'cause it's... I like... You're like a Navy SEAL Art Bell.

   9. SRShawn Ryan0:29

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's ki-... It's kinda cool, man. You know? Like, you... 'cause, like, you g-... You go out there with people, like that one dude that was, uh, saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica, and you-

   11. SRShawn Ryan0:38

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... you're letting that go... guy go out. He's going out on a long-ass pier.

   13. SRShawn Ryan0:41

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs)

   15. SRShawn Ryan0:42

       Eric Hecker.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       All those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing... Is it John Alexander?

   17. SRShawn Ryan0:48

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is that the gentleman that worked with, like, UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries?

   19. SRShawn Ryan0:54

       He's done it all. He's done-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Fascinating.

   21. SRShawn Ryan0:56

       He's done it all.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right?

   23. SRShawn Ryan1:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       That guy. W- what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kinda shit?

   25. SRShawn Ryan1:05

       (inhales deeply) I don't... (sighs) Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       How much do you believe it though? Like, it's l-... Like, when I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, "Don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense." There's something that... It just feels like su-... Like, if they told me a super v- uh, volcano was gonna erupt, I would believe it, 'cause supervolcanoes are definitely real, and they've... We've... There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations. They tell me that there's UFOs and part of me is just like, "F-... I don't fucking believe you."

   27. SRShawn Ryan1:35

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       You know what I mean?

   29. SRShawn Ryan1:37

       Yeah, I know... You know... (sighs) I mean, I th-... You know what bothers me about the whole camp is nobody... none of these camps, like, talk to each other.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       Right.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That's the one I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      that one right there that's, that kinda, that's kinda yellow. That's yellow, there.

   2. NANarrator15:03

      That's the one I played.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      But which one ... There's gotta be one where he's talking about monkeypox.

   4. NANarrator15:10

      Uh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      'Cause that was the one I was watching today.

   6. NANarrator15:11

      I don't know. Let me see.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      That's, that's not, 'cause that's all about, uh, shutting the schools down. Goddammit, we gotta find it.

   8. NANarrator15:20

      I'll find it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      Okay. Just find it and g- get to us, 'cause I, I know he ... I might have watched it on X. I probably thought ... I'm saying X now.

   10. SRShawn Ryan15:29

       Yeah. Good for you.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Now I feel, I feel politically correct.

   12. NANarrator15:31

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Like, when I call a transgender person a girl, she.

   14. NANarrator15:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Like, you like that, how I did that?

   16. SRShawn Ryan15:36

       Yeah. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       I said she. (laughs) It's like-

   18. NANarrator15:38

       Not this, where he's talking to him directly?

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Um, no.

   20. NANarrator15:41

       Okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       No, that's not it. That's, that's Crowder confronting him when he's ... That guy's fired now. That guy's fucked. But the monkeypox one, goddamn it, I know I saved it. If you want, I can find it. I saved it on my phone because I was like, "This is just so bonkers that these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting-"

   22. NANarrator15:58

       It's not.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       "... that they're trying to push people into taking drugs that don't even work."

   24. NANarrator16:02

       There's not even a link to the video though.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Really? Interesting. Um, goddammit. This is gonna be a problem. I'm not gonna find it. If you see if, just see if you could find it. It's gotta be out there, 'cause I watched it this morning. Did you Google monkeypox? Nothing?

   26. NANarrator16:21

       Let me just ... It's gonna be in one of these links. I just have to f-... It's gonna take a second.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Oh, wait up. Hold up. Back up, err, back up. It was right there. Right above that. Dr. Jay Varna? Okay. This is it.

   28. NANarrator16:33

       But it's not s- n- ... The same thing as the last one. It's not ... There's no link to the video.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Oh, so is it because, uh, the New York Post doesn't show it? That's okay. We can just read what it says 'cause it's kinda interesting. We c- we don't have to hear him say it, but Steven Crowder's kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal. And I don't know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry.

   30. SRShawn Ryan16:51

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      trap."

   2. SRShawn Ryan30:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      Like, the, I think they do stuff like that where they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it. Like, you know, without looking into it at all, and it turns out to be complete horse shit, and it makes the whole thing look like horse shit now.

   4. SRShawn Ryan30:12

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Now it looks like the, makes the affidavit, it's at least connected to horse shit.

   6. SRShawn Ryan30:17

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      You know what I mean?

   8. SRShawn Ryan30:18

      I mean, it's a good tactic.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Yeah. Smart tactic. Yeah.

   10. SRShawn Ryan30:22

       You know? They got a lot of good tactics.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       They're very organized, which is really interesting. And that's, one of the things about Trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can kinda corral him, you know? And it seems like she's really open to being coached. Like some of these speeches are very different than any speeches she's ever given before. And you see the difference between that and then like ... Did you see the Oprah int- interview?

   12. SRShawn Ryan30:48

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       She's off the rails.

   14. SRShawn Ryan30:50

       Yeah. I've-

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       Off the rails.

   16. SRShawn Ryan30:50

       I heard about it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Into fucking wine mom country again.

   18. SRShawn Ryan30:53

       Wow.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       But Tim Dillon is the best. Tim Dillon's like, "She's saying gypsy curses." (laughs) Like what, what is she saying? (laughs)

   20. SRShawn Ryan31:00

       (laughs) Oh, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       It's like when you get her off the rails and she is, uh, pro- it's kinda fucked up, right? Because that's not the job. The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah. That's not the job. But that's the most important part about getting the job.

   22. SRShawn Ryan31:21

       I just wanna hear like, you know, how they're gonna accomplish all this stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       Well, they're gonna do it once they get in-

   24. SRShawn Ryan31:26

       That's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       ... even though they're already in.

   26. SRShawn Ryan31:27

       Yeah. (laughs) That's, that's the, that seems to be the typical response, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Well, one thing that you could see, like really clearly, is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before. I've never seen ... I've seen tight races, I've seen people very divided. You know, I've, I've seen it for years. There's always been like a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this. Not like this where the guy almost gets killed twice and they don't even talk about it.

   28. SRShawn Ryan32:01

       It's scary, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       It's nuts.

   30. SRShawn Ryan32:03

       It's scary.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (inhales deeply) Well, I mean,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      where it's constantly ru- like, recommending stuff that you're interested in. It's fucking great. Great time waster. But it's also a tool for shaping narratives, and if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized, so you lose your ability to make a living, and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people. They just remove their whole channel.

   2. SRShawn Ryan45:27

      (inhales deeply) Well, I mean, where do you think this is gonna end? (smacks lips) I think it is gonna end?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      That should be... All that stuff we talked about should be illegal. That sh- stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. Demonetization? No, because look, if you wanna have standards where you say that, uh, w- the advertisers that we have, we have a group of advertisers and they have requested no shows where someone swears, no, no shows where someone talks about sex, no shows where someone talks about over-drinking or anything like that-

   4. SRShawn Ryan45:57

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:57

      ... they, they just have rules, "We don't wanna be associated with that," that... Okay, that's totally reasonable. But when you wanna, like, stop a channel from uploading a video 'cause they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate and you're pulling that off the air, well now what are you doing? If you're, you're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information, dangerous information not just to us but also to the organizations that, that paid for this, these crazy gain-of-function research projects, like, what the fuck are you doing and what did you do? And if you were talking about that on YouTube and even expressing your ability to p- just guess that maybe it came from that area. Like have you ever seen that Jon Stewart interview where he was on The Colbert Show?

   6. SRShawn Ryan46:48

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:48

      Fucking amazing.

   8. SRShawn Ryan46:49

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:49

      Right, amazing. But even that, like, Colbert's trying to stop him and, like, just saying maybe these people who are working on these fucking viruses let one leak, maybe, that would get you removed from YouTube. That's, that's a, a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion.

   10. SRShawn Ryan47:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       Because you're, you should... Especially some of these people were very informed people. They were biologists and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the fairing cleavage sites and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover. They were, they were talking about technical, very specific details, and they were getting banned. Like, Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel. He almost lost his-

   12. SRShawn Ryan47:28

       Did he re- I didn't know that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:29

       Yes, yes.

   14. SRShawn Ryan47:29

       I didn't know that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       We had to have him on, do an emergency podcast, and like let people know what the fuck was going on.

   16. SRShawn Ryan47:34

       Damn.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:34

       They almost pulled his channel.

   18. SRShawn Ryan47:35

       Damn. That's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       And he is a biologist, a brilliant one, and he's talking about real information.

   20. SRShawn Ryan47:44

       It's scary, man. I mean, I don't know wh- I, I ju- I think about it all the time, obviously. I mean, I'm in this industry, so...

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:51

       Yeah.

   22. SRShawn Ryan47:51

       It just... I, I, I hope X, you know, turns out to be the new, the new thing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       I don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it is and he's got all the money in the world. I think he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is gonna be an insane moneymaker. I don't think X has any problems. I think X is... He's gonna grow it into some sort of an all-in-one app. He'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls. You'll, you'll be able to shop on it. It'll... That's what it's, it's probably going to be, if I had a guess. And I think that for places like Rumble, uh, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, more they can fine people and more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they wanna make any money off of advertising or if they don't wanna get their channel deleted, the more c- companies like Rumble will emerge. That's what I think. I think there's gonna be just... Right now, Rumble's a hard sell for some folks, 'cause they see it as like, "Oh, the right wing fucking, like, a MAGA. I'm not gonna use Truth Social, it's Truth Social Video." You know, there's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but, you know, Russell Brand's on there. A lot of people are on there. It's a good platform, and it's an important platform, and it should, we should, like, support it and want it to grow. We should want them all to grow. Like, Spotify's got video now. We need more video, because audio's just not enough, you know? Just audio podcasts. You, you, you want, you want people to share things virally.

   24. SRShawn Ryan49:22

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan49:22

       And the virally s- stuff, it's, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast. That's all video. You want a video of that.

   26. SRShawn Ryan49:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan49:30

       And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and Rumble are the only places that I know of that you can really do that right now.

   28. SRShawn Ryan49:43

       Have you, have you had any problem on audio at all?

   29. JRJoe Rogan49:46

       No.

   30. SRShawn Ryan49:47

       Good.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (sighs) …

   1. SRShawn Ryan1:00:00

      hobble up those fucking stairs with one leg, one arm, all kinds of shit going on in his intestines. I mean, I just, I was like, "Man, what the fuck, man? This didn't even have to happen." They had the guy. They had the fucking guy in the sights. They could've killed him.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      (sighs)

   3. SRShawn Ryan1:00:16

      And, you know, nobody... nobody gave 'em permission.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Yeah.

   5. SRShawn Ryan1:00:22

      They just, you know, maybe they... I mean, I can't backseat quarterback it, but maybe they shouldn't have asked, just-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Yeah.

   7. SRShawn Ryan1:00:29

      ... eliminated him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Jesus Christ.

   9. SRShawn Ryan1:00:30

      But I mean he's talking about, you know, before we got into the actual incident, he was talking about, you know, like, like moms trying to throw their babies over, over the wall and-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Oh.

   11. SRShawn Ryan1:00:42

       ... getting caught up in razor wire.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. SRShawn Ryan1:00:45

       And just seeing a fucking baby dangle there by the leg.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Yeah.

   15. SRShawn Ryan1:00:48

       It's, you know, it's... And there's like no, uh, you know, there's no repercussions for how that went down. The media just wants to fucking cover it up and so, so I, I started digging deep and, uh, I teamed up with a former, uh, CA targeter, Sarah Adams, and then a really good friend of mine, Scott Banim. We went over to Vienna, uh, to interview this guy, Ahmad Massoud, who's the leader, the commander of the Northern Alliance out there that's like the resistance that's kind of fighting the Taliban. Uh, y- you know, the Taliban pretty much took over government-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       Yeah.

   17. SRShawn Ryan1:01:23

       ... in Afghanistan, and...

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       I saw the parade.

   19. SRShawn Ryan1:01:26

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       With our stuff.

   21. SRShawn Ryan1:01:27

       Yeah, with all our shit.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       Our shit.

   23. SRShawn Ryan1:01:28

       That we left there.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

       Crazy.

   25. SRShawn Ryan1:01:30

       Yeah, man. So, we got a bunch of intel from Massoud and, and, you know, like still kind of looping all the way back around to the southern border, I mean, so onc- once Taliban took control of all of our shit, I mean, this c- this could go on for a while, but... So th- so now what they're doing is they have the, they have the passport office over there just making legitimate passports to... There's tw- now there's 21 terrorist organizations over there training. Uh, Hamza bin Laden, who we were told was killed, is actually fucking alive, and he's marrying into all these other terrorist networks. So, he married Mullah Omar's, uh, daughter. He married, who else? He ma- he married into all these different terrorist networks. And so these guys used to be like competitors, kind of, you know, just like, just like, just like (laughs) the UFO guys.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       (laughs)

   27. SRShawn Ryan1:02:25

       They all, you know, they all hate each other, but they all have the one common theme, like Disclosure. These guys, the one common thing is, you know, "Let's go take over the Western world." So, he is basically Hamza bin Laden, has, is married into all these terrorist organizations. Now, they all have one common goal, to come over to, you know, the Western world and, and ruin our way of life. And so, what they're doing is they funneling as many of these terrorists into the passport office, creating them w- legitimate, real passports. And then they sprinkle 'em, they get 'em flights into, all over South Central America and then they funnel 'em up, um, through the Darien Gap-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:07

       Jesus Christ.

   29. SRShawn Ryan1:03:08

       ... into the, into the US. And so, you know, there's, there is, there is zero, I don't give a fuck what the FBI or any of these people are saying. They have, there is zero way to track how many of these fuckers have come in to the US. And so, you know, now I th- what we're gonna see is like October 7th-style attacks like we just saw in Israel and the, in the mall in Russia and, and everybody's like, "Oh, you know, this... Well, why hasn't this happened yet?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:36

       Do you think this is by design?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:51

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. SRShawn Ryan1:15:00

      I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the union worker.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SRShawn Ryan1:15:04

      I, I don't see where their place really fits in anymore.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

      There's gonna be a lot less of them. That's for sure. It's pretty much every job. A- and every manual labor job is under threat.

   5. SRShawn Ryan1:15:13

      I think, I think every job's under threat.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:15

      I don't think podcasts.

   7. SRShawn Ryan1:15:16

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:17

      What are you gonna do, bitch?

   9. SRShawn Ryan1:15:19

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

       How you gonna think like me?

   11. SRShawn Ryan1:15:21

       Yeah. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

       Like (laughs) , good luck. Good luck.

   13. SRShawn Ryan1:15:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

       And comedy, you're always gonna have comedy. Uh, movies are in real trouble because AI can write pretty fucking amazing scripts and the CGI, the, the way they can crank out video is bananas now.

   15. SRShawn Ryan1:15:34

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

       I mean, it's bananas. It's just, it looks perfect and it comes out, like, in minutes instead of years.

   17. SRShawn Ryan1:15:40

       Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

       I don't know. Well, I know AI's gonna translate, so, um, Spotify is gonna translate my show to multiple different languages-

Episode duration: 2:42:09