Joe Rogan Experience #2207 - Shawn Ryan

1. 0:00 – 1:07

   Meeting Shawn Ryan and why his interviews feel “Navy SEAL Art Bell”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's up, Sean? How are you, man?

   3. SRShawn Ryan0:14

      How's it going?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Nice to meet ya.

   5. SRShawn Ryan0:15

      Nice to meet you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I really enjoy your show. It's, uh, it's very different. Like, uh, I was, uh, like, when I first started watching it, I was like, "Oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people."

   7. SRShawn Ryan0:25

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Like... (laughs) 'cause it's... I like... You're like a Navy SEAL Art Bell.

   9. SRShawn Ryan0:29

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's ki-... It's kinda cool, man. You know? Like, you... 'cause, like, you g-... You go out there with people, like that one dude that was, uh, saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica, and you-

   11. SRShawn Ryan0:38

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... you're letting that go... guy go out. He's going out on a long-ass pier.

   13. SRShawn Ryan0:41

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs)

   15. SRShawn Ryan0:42

       Eric Hecker.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       All those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing... Is it John Alexander?

   17. SRShawn Ryan0:48

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is that the gentleman that worked with, like, UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries?

   19. SRShawn Ryan0:54

       He's done it all. He's done-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Fascinating.

   21. SRShawn Ryan0:56

       He's done it all.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right?

   23. SRShawn Ryan1:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       That guy. W- what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kinda shit?

   25. SRShawn Ryan1:05

       (inhales deeply) I don't... (sighs) Yeah.

2. 1:07 – 4:51

   UFO skepticism, compartmentalization, and Joe’s “Little Green Men” database story

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      How much do you believe it though? Like, it's l-... Like, when I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, "Don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense." There's something that... It just feels like su-... Like, if they told me a super v- uh, volcano was gonna erupt, I would believe it, 'cause supervolcanoes are definitely real, and they've... We've... There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations. They tell me that there's UFOs and part of me is just like, "F-... I don't fucking believe you."

   2. SRShawn Ryan1:35

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      You know what I mean?

   4. SRShawn Ryan1:37

      Yeah, I know... You know... (sighs) I mean, I th-... You know what bothers me about the whole camp is nobody... none of these camps, like, talk to each other.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      Right.

   6. SRShawn Ryan1:47

      It's, it's: my camp knows everything.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      Isn't that always the case though?

   8. SRShawn Ryan1:51

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      That's the case in the military often, right?

   10. SRShawn Ryan1:52

       Oh, yeah. I was gonna compare it to special ops. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       (laughs)

   12. SRShawn Ryan1:57

       It's like, "That guy doesn't know shit. I know ev-..." You know? That's, uh, that's kinda how...

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       When I was real young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was, uh, she did something in government and she was explaining to me. So this is pre-internet-ish, you know? Like, people didn't have the internet then. It's like, (clicks tongue) like early '90s, right? And she said that she w-... she... One of her jobs was to make sure that information that the, the Navy had received would be available to the Army. So, like, you, you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests. Like, "We already did this. We'll get you this information." So there was, like, some sort of a database in these computer terminals where she could share information and, uh, she had some sort of top clearance, and one day, like, just fucking around, she wrote Little Green Men-

   14. SRShawn Ryan2:51

       Interesting.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       ... in, in the search function. And her computer got shut down and then people visited her and they asked her, like, "What are you doing?" Like, "Why did you... Why did you look this up?" Like, "What is this all about?" And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost, uh, whatever clearance that she had.

   16. SRShawn Ryan3:11

       Interesting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       But-

   18. SRShawn Ryan3:12

       I've not heard that one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       Uh, when I was young, I was like, "Whoa, aliens are real." But as an older man now, looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job. Like, maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not... There was no request to look up Little Green Men.

   20. SRShawn Ryan3:30

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       There was, like... She, she did it on her own. Like-

   22. SRShawn Ryan3:32

       Is this 100% factual?

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Hard to tell.

   24. SRShawn Ryan3:35

       You know, it's just-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       Hard to tell, 'cause it was a girl I dated. I don't, I don't really know.

   26. SRShawn Ryan3:38

       Oh, you dated her?

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       Yeah, I dated her. Yeah.

   28. SRShawn Ryan3:41

       Nice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       This is... Yeah, like, like I said, early '90s, I was living in New York. I had actually dated her in Boston, then we met up again in New York a couple years later. So she was telling me about her job and then she was telling me, like, "Check this out."

   30. SRShawn Ryan3:54

       (laughs)
3. 4:51 – 6:10

   JFK secrecy, presidents as short-term employees, and RFK Jr as a reform figure

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right?

   2. SRShawn Ryan4:53

      What did he say?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      Trump said that, "If they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't wanna release it either."

   4. SRShawn Ryan4:57

      Oh yeah, yeah. I did hear that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:00

      Crazy. What a crazy thing to say.

   6. SRShawn Ryan5:03

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      That can only mean one thing in my eyes.

   8. SRShawn Ryan5:05

      (coughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      That we did it.

   10. SRShawn Ryan5:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       It's the only, the only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.

   12. SRShawn Ryan5:11

       I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       T- Tucker just comes out and says it openly.

   14. SRShawn Ryan5:17

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       He just says it openly.

   16. SRShawn Ryan5:18

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       "CIA killed Kennedy." He, he has that crazy laugh. (laughs) I don't, you know... I don't know who could actually say other than the people that have read those papers and, you know... And who knows what they... What... You know, the, the, the president is basically a part-time employee. Not a part-time employee, but a part-... a short-term employee. You know, if you got a long running business and for some technicality every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO and he does a four-year term and then hopefully you can finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules. And you just bring him in, and you bring him in.

   18. SRShawn Ryan5:54

       That's a good way to put it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       Yeah, why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy?

   20. SRShawn Ryan5:57

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       They hid shit from him all the time.Yeah. Which is totally illegal.

   22. SRShawn Ryan6:03

       What do you, what do you think about, uh, RFK's, you know, possibly getting in to, uh, investigate all that stuff?

4. 6:10 – 11:53

   Food additives, glyphosate, fluoride, and tools to audit what you consume

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States. If you really care about health, I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it, a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications.

   2. SRShawn Ryan6:29

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      And I don't think we're being told the truth, and I think there's a reason why other countries, multiple other countries, have banned food elements, uh, food, like, ingredients that we use all the time, these red dyes, all these different things. And this was all, uh, there was just a, a recent thing that they did, who, who was involved in that? Brigham testified in that.

   4. NANarrator6:52

      Yeah. That was yesterday.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Dogs are amazing. They're loyal, they're lovable. Like, just having Marshall around can make my day 10 times better. And I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important. So, how do you know if your dog's food is as healthy and as safe as it can be? Well, Farmer's Dog gives you that peace of mind by making fresh, real food, developed by board certified nutritionists to provide all the nutrients your dog needs. And their food is human grade, which means it's made to the same quality and safety standards as human food. Very few pet foods are made to this strict standard. And let's be clear, human grade food doesn't mean the food is fancy. It just means it's safe and healthy. It's simple, real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The Farmer's Dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long, healthy life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs, because every dog is different. And I'm not just talking about breeds. From their size to their personality to their health, every dog is unique. Plus, precise portions can help keep your dog at an ideal weight, which is one of the proven predictors of a long life. Look, no one, dog or human, should be eating highly processed foods for every meal. It doesn't matter how old your dog is. It's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness. So, try The Farmer's Dog today. You can get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at thefarmersdog.com/rogan. Plus, you get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com/rogan. Tap the banner or visit this episode's page to learn more. Offer applicable for new customers only. They had all these health experts testify, and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives. They were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is, and, like, an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. It's ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just consuming these poisons. There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water, "Oh, keep your teeth clean. You don't want cavities."

   6. SRShawn Ryan9:22

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:22

      It doesn't make any sense.

   8. SRShawn Ryan9:23

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      And we've been doing it forever, and there's no reason to do it, and there's, like, real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

   10. SRShawn Ryan9:38

       Wow, I didn't know that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       Yeah.

   12. SRShawn Ryan9:40

       Have you, have you, uh, have you messed around with the... Have you heard of the Yuka app?

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       No.

   14. SRShawn Ryan9:45

       Dude, you gotta get the Yuka app.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       What is it?

   16. SRShawn Ryan9:47

       So, you basically scan anything, uh, like food-related.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:52

       It's Y-U-K-A?

   18. SRShawn Ryan9:53

       Soap, deodorant.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       How do you spell it?

   20. SRShawn Ryan9:54

       I think it's, I think it's Y-U-C-A.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Nice.

   22. SRShawn Ryan9:58

       There it is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Make it a... Nice.

   24. SRShawn Ryan9:59

       There it is.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Y-U-K-A.

   26. SRShawn Ryan10:01

       Show-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Shout out to Yuka.

   28. SRShawn Ryan10:02

       You s- There it is. See, like, Honey Nut Chi- it's, so it'll tell you the additives in there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       Ah. It contains additives to avoid. Sugar, too sweet.

   30. SRShawn Ryan10:09

       And it'll tell you all the s-
5. 11:53 – 21:13

   FDA trust, drug recalls, and the Crowder “mpox drug” undercover story

   1. SRShawn Ryan11:53

      Good point. I mean, do you ... Does FDA approval even mean anything to you?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:57

      Not to me. It doesn't to me. But it took a long time before I got to that. It took a long time before I really understood, like, why do we think that saturated fat is bad? Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies. Okay. Why do, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation d- doesn't really help, and you just need a balanced diet? Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition, and they ... You're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in. And you're taking this guy's advice, and he doesn't know anything about nutrition. He's not read any peer review data.

   3. SRShawn Ryan12:31

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      That guy is just trying to keep up. He's got fucking bills piling in, and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office, and he's worried about his ... You have insurance in case you, you fuck up, malpractice insurance, and you have to pay your medical school bills, and those guys are barely getting b- There floating.

   5. SRShawn Ryan12:50

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:50

      They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can.

   7. SRShawn Ryan12:53

      Does it, does it bother you if there's some type of, I don't know, some type of a new ... Does it bother you if it's not FDA approved at all, if it's new? Like, nobody's looked into it?

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      Well, I wouldn't take anything no one's looked at, especially a drug.

   9. SRShawn Ryan13:08

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Like, it's just like, give it some time, kids. (laughs)

   11. SRShawn Ryan13:11

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       Give it some time. I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people ... Like, what is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls? I believe it's 25%.

   13. SRShawn Ryan13:23

       Is ... I have no idea.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       Yeah, I think it's 25%. See if that's true. Th- so this is the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find out, "Oh, this stuff is terrible for you," and then they pull it.

   15. SRShawn Ryan13:32

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       I think it's 25%. Which, you know ... What does it say? One-third. (laughs)

   17. SRShawn Ryan13:38

       Oh, shit. One-third.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       One-third! I was off. According to a 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. That's fucking bananas.

   19. SRShawn Ryan13:53

       Wow.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       Give it some time, kids.

   21. SRShawn Ryan13:54

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       (laughs) Also, have you seen, uh, the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York?

   23. SRShawn Ryan14:03

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Have you seen that? Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one, 'cause the most recent one is fascinating. 'Cause in the most recent one, this guy's openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat, so they could sell this medication.

   25. SRShawn Ryan14:21

       Interesting.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:21

       And they're, they're talking about pushing this med-... This guy's openly talking about, "Monkeypox is really just gay guys get it from unprotected" ... What? Let's ... I'll let it-

   27. NANarrator14:29

       There's another video on. That's not the video. Uh, that's the, that's the guy though, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Yeah. Is it on his Instagram? Go to it. I'll show you which one it is.

   29. NANarrator14:36

       It's just not playing a video. Oh, maybe here.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       Yeah, that's it.
6. 21:13 – 31:31

   Staged politics: bused-in crowds, debate bias claims, and misinformation traps

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:13

      ... I was watching this, these guys were breaking down, you know, their, they can track cell phones, they can figure out, like, whose cell phone was there, they, they can get metadata, and they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are. These people are coming in on buses and many of them have been to multiple rallies and that when this one, this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else and they were all bused in. And-

   2. NANarrator21:36

      How do they know that? How do they know that?

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:38

      Well, I'll, I'll, I'll send this to Jamie 'cause this one I actually have, but I think they know it because of the da- you could track data on a phone now.

   4. NANarrator21:47

      Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff?

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:49

      I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when, when your phone has been in an area. Okay, I found this guy's... I found, I found his, uh, the other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie, 'cause it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

   6. NANarrator22:07

      Uh, yeah, there's an hour and a half video on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken from.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:11

      Yeah, but this is the, the clip. I'm sending the clip from Instagram for whatever... I don't know if Instagram's hiding it. I don't know what's happening, but, um...

   8. NANarrator22:20

      They wouldn't do that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:21

      No way.

   10. NANarrator22:22

       (laughs)

   11. It was on his... Oh, it's on his Louder with Crowder page, that's why.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       Oh, is that what it is?

   13. NANarrator22:25

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, what, what they were, what they were... essentially what they were showing is that... oh, here it is. That people... it's just very organized and people are being bused in and, well, you know, is that okay? Is that ethical? I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally. Nothing wrong with that.

   15. NANarrator22:52

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       But if you're organizing crowds, like say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, "Wheel of Fortune." "Hello ladies and gentlemen." Those people are all paid. They're, most of 'em are, or, um, sometimes you, you let fans do it for, like, a very popular show, but I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid. So-

   17. NANarrator23:13

       Interesting.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       ... it's, it's basically like, um, like if you're filming a sitcom, you can... and nobody knows what the sitcom is, you, there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in and the, the people cheer, they have an applause sign. Everybody cheers, they laugh when you tell 'em to laugh. Like, there's a guy in the audience that's, like, doing this to them that the people at home don't see.

   19. NANarrator23:34

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       So it's just... it's all theater, right? So...... they could do that same strategy for a political rally.

   21. SRShawn Ryan23:42

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:42

       Easily. If you're talking about all the money that's, you're gonna be in control of when you're the president of the United States-

   23. SRShawn Ryan23:51

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       ... which is a spectacular position. Not just that, but then all the money you're gonna make in appearances and ever- for- forever, right? You're gonna do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason. A- there's so much money involved. You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer? That's cheap.

   25. SRShawn Ryan24:10

       Yeah. I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:11

       That's cheap.

   27. SRShawn Ryan24:12

       I don't know. I don't... Do you think that's immoral?

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       Well, I think we have, like, very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do. Like, there was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala, and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her polit- her DA record when she was in California, and that they were not gonna talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble, and they weren't, weren't gonna fact check her. And then they said they were only gonna fact check Donald Trump.

   29. SRShawn Ryan24:49

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       Which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true, and no one said anything about it, particularly about troops being deployed overseas.
7. 31:31 – 35:51

   Assassination attempts, media incentives, and fears of coordinated “kill teams”

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:31

      Well, one thing that you could see, like really clearly, is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before. I've never seen ... I've seen tight races, I've seen people very divided. You know, I've, I've seen it for years. There's always been like a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this. Not like this where the guy almost gets killed twice and they don't even talk about it.

   2. SRShawn Ryan32:01

      It's scary, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:02

      It's nuts.

   4. SRShawn Ryan32:03

      It's scary.

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:04

      Almost gets killed twice and the second one they just brushed it off, like, "I don't even think it, the guy got a shot off." Huh.

   6. SRShawn Ryan32:10

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:10

      Like the guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours with a bulletproof vest on, an AK-47, and was specifically there to kill Trump. Uh, you don't think that's crazy?

   8. SRShawn Ryan32:21

      I think it's crazy they didn't cover it. Uh, uh, I mean, it barely got covered.

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:24

      Barely. Barely. In and out. And then the brother of the guy, or the guy's son gets arrested for child pornography. Which is-

   10. SRShawn Ryan32:32

       Which, do you know, have you looked into the Black Rock commercial stuff at all?

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Well-

   12. SRShawn Ryan32:36

       Is that real?

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       The one shooter was in the Black Rock commercial. That was the kid that tried to kill Trump.

   14. SRShawn Ryan32:42

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       They said that this guy was in a Black Rock commercial, but I heard that that's not true.

   16. SRShawn Ryan32:47

       It's bullshit.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:48

       But there could be another one that they just throw out there.

   18. SRShawn Ryan32:49

       That's, yeah, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       You throw one out there like that and then people retweet it and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb and then it just, it weakens the public's, uh, faith in what you have to say about things.

   20. SRShawn Ryan33:01

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       And also makes the story look stupid. Like those st- like that story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident even though he didn't die in a car accident.

   22. SRShawn Ryan33:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       So it's always gonna be shrouded in bullshit.

   24. SRShawn Ryan33:16

       Yeah. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       It's kinda genius.

   26. SRShawn Ryan33:18

       It is, man. It, it's, it's ... I mean, it's, it's a great way to discredit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:23

       Yeah. It's a great way to get somebody elected. (laughs)

   28. SRShawn Ryan33:26

       Yeah. Good point. Good point.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       It's just, it's, I, when you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom, just marching down the street in front of everybody and, and no one's freaking out about it, that's what's really weird.

   30. SRShawn Ryan33:39

       What do you think, uh ... I mean, have you thought about who's behind all this, these assassination attempts? Do you think they're lone wolfs or ...
8. 35:51 – 53:02

   The censorship economy: Twitter Files, YouTube strikes, and self-censorship by monetization

   1. SRShawn Ryan35:51

      It's f- it's... How long do you think the media has left?

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:54

      They'll be around.

   3. SRShawn Ryan35:55

      You think so?

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:56

      It all depends on who gets into office, really. It depends on, um... So the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter. The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it. That's, that was scary close. So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files. Michael Shellenberger, uh, Matt Taibbi, and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal, and they release everything. Um, and then Twitter becomes kinda crazy. Like, twit- Twitter's wild now. Like there's, it's just, it's totally wild, Wild West, unregulated. And then the... What do you got, Jamie? This is it?

   5. NANarrator36:43

      I got.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:45

      Yeah, okay. "One of the five known, uh, teams hunting President Trump before Butler, Pennsylvania attempt was Ukrainian." So this is Matt Gaetz talking about this. But I think that if that hadn't happened, so if all of social media remained like staunch leftist, left-wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them of, re- regarding vaccines or, or, or Ukraine, or anything else, with no critical arguments about it that are accepted, they just... Anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people like... You know, they, they s- censored people from Stanford and MIT. They pul- they were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Bhattacharya-

   7. SRShawn Ryan37:34

      Oh yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:34

      ... all these doctors-

   9. SRShawn Ryan37:35

      I didn't know that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       ... about COVID, yeah.

   11. SRShawn Ryan37:36

       Oh yeah, I did. I did.

   12. JRJoe Rogan37:37

       Censoring, like legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks, guys like Peter McCullough, who's the most published doctor I- in his field of study in human history. And they're like, "No, no, you're a kook. You're a kook."

   13. SRShawn Ryan37:51

       It's, it's, it's...

   14. JRJoe Rogan37:52

       And we know now that that was not true and he was correct. Now we all know, right? All these years later, m- most people kind of know what the fuck happened, even the people reluctant to admit they got duped.

   15. SRShawn Ryan38:03

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:03

       If they... If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. I really don't. Because if they had the clamps on Twitter, i- i- then, and they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps, it would be fucking awful out there.

   17. SRShawn Ryan38:19

       I know, man. It's, uh... Elon's been a blessing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan38:23

       He really has.

   19. SRShawn Ryan38:23

       He has far, you know. It's a, it's a, it's a big one. I mean, I, I don't, I don't think they're gonna be around that much longer. I, I feel like that the media will die with the baby boomer generation.

   20. JRJoe Rogan38:36

       I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would've been fine. I really do.

   21. SRShawn Ryan38:40

       Probably.

   22. JRJoe Rogan38:40

       The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they got a clamp on YouTube too. You know, YouTube is, uh, i- they're very restrictive in what you can talk about.

   23. SRShawn Ryan38:49

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan38:49

       Very res- espe- especially during the pandemic. They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now.

   25. SRShawn Ryan38:59

       It's... We deal with a lot of that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:01

       We deal with a lot of it, right?

   27. SRShawn Ryan39:03

       I'll bet you did too.

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:04

       Oh, yeah. Anybody on YouTube, I- I mean, you have to like parse your words. You know, like Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, "But you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective."

   29. SRShawn Ryan39:14

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:14

       He always has to say it, like to cover his ass-
9. 53:02 – 1:05:35

   Border policy, Afghanistan fallout, and Shawn’s terrorism pipeline claim via passports and Darien Gap

   1. JRJoe Rogan53:02

      It is what it is. It, the... I mean, factually, that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you... You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy raid or fucking J.Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights-

   2. SRShawn Ryan53:34

      The BP1 app.

   3. JRJoe Rogan53:35

      What the fuck?

   4. SRShawn Ryan53:36

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan53:37

      That sounds like the cr-... You know, I had Chamath on. Do y- do you know Chamath?

   6. SRShawn Ryan53:42

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan53:42

      I don't wanna mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy. And w- we were talking about...... how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country, and how difficult it was to, to get a visa. And I mean, this is a brilliant guy who was one of the... He started Facebook, you know? He was one of the original guys at Facebook. And he's this guy who did it the right way, and every step of the way, there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed, because he didn't know if he was gonna get kicked out of the country. Because someone could arbitrarily go, "You know what? Not good enough." Because he had to prove to be here, that he has skills that an American doesn't have.

   8. SRShawn Ryan54:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan54:20

      That he's, he's a real expert in something.

   10. SRShawn Ryan54:23

       I- y- you know, the... I went down, uh, to the border about, I think it was about two, two years ago-ish, maybe a little longer, and, uh, I went down with Ed Calderon and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan54:35

       I love Ed.

   12. SRShawn Ryan54:35

       Yeah, what a great guy, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan54:36

       He's a great guy. I've met him only a couple times.

   14. SRShawn Ryan54:38

       Yeah, that's where all... That's where I found him, so thank you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan54:41

       (laughs)

   16. SRShawn Ryan54:41

       But, um, but, uh, so no, I went down to TJ with him, and this was b-... This was like before it really, really hit the s-... Hit the news cycle. And we walked into a migrant camp. There was probably a couple thousand migrants there. And, uh, so I yanked one of them out and interviewed him, and, uh, you know, used Ed to, to help translate and... I mean, the guy's been sitting there for like... I think he was there with his wife and kids for like two years, and I as-... I was like, "Why don't you just, like, go across, dude?" It's... (laughs) I mean, it's just an honest question, like, "Why don't you just go across?" He said he wanted to do it the right way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan55:23

       Wow.

   18. SRShawn Ryan55:23

       You know? He's like, "Nah." He's like, "I just wanna do it the right way," and-

   19. JRJoe Rogan55:26

       Oh my God.

   20. SRShawn Ryan55:27

       ... he's running around with this little battery pack charging cell phones for 50 cents.

   21. JRJoe Rogan55:32

       (sighs)

   22. SRShawn Ryan55:33

       You know? And I'm like... I'm just like, "Fucking A, man." Like, why don't... Like, why don't they just... 'Cause I don't... I, th-... Nobody's anti-immigration.

   23. JRJoe Rogan55:42

       No.

   24. SRShawn Ryan55:42

       Not that I know of, and it's like, "Why don't you just unfuck the-"

   25. JRJoe Rogan55:44

       No, we're anti-terrorist sneaking in.

   26. SRShawn Ryan55:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan55:46

       Yeah.

   28. SRShawn Ryan55:46

       Why don't you just unfuck the immigration process, and maybe we can get some more people in here quicker, legally, if you do that, and then we actually know who's coming in, and we have-

   29. JRJoe Rogan55:59

       Yeah.

   30. SRShawn Ryan55:59

       ... documentation of who they are and-
10. 1:05:35 – 1:14:34

    China as a strategic threat: grid vulnerabilities, land purchases, and manufacturing dependence

    1. SRShawn Ryan1:05:35

       Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, and then people, I mean, do you ever think about why nothing's happened? You know what I mean? Like China? Have you, have you looked into the power grid at all?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

       Yeah.

    3. SRShawn Ryan1:05:45

       Dude.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:46

       It's not good.

    5. SRShawn Ryan1:05:47

       Lights out, buddy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:48

       It's so easy to kill.

    7. SRShawn Ryan1:05:49

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

       The power grid's so weak. It's so vulnerable. It's really nuts.

    9. SRShawn Ryan1:05:54

       (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

        It's nuts because anybody could target it.

    11. SRShawn Ryan1:05:58

        Yeah. Well, I mean, China, you know, we have those, uh ... We have, we have, uh ... You know, we get those big trans- ... All, all, everything's imported from China, and we have these huge, you know, transformers. You can tell me to shut up if you already know all this shit. But, uh, all of those transformers are imported from China and they're not checked. They're not e- ... They don't even fucking check them for malware-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:06:21

        Yeah.

    13. SRShawn Ryan1:06:22

        ... or Trojan horses or anything.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:06:24

        Yeah.

    15. SRShawn Ryan1:06:24

        And it would take ... I mean, these transformers, it's not like the little box outside your house, you know, the green box. It's ... I mean, they have to take overpasses out just to transport these things, so you're talking years. And I think it w- ... I think the number was, like, nine. If they, if they took out nine transformers, then the entire US would be out of power.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:06:44

        (sputters)

    17. SRShawn Ryan1:06:45

        On top of that, so then, then DOE, Department of Energy, actually investigated one because somebo- somebody was, um, uh ... It got to DC that ... Whatever. They decided to look into it, and they wouldn't fucking release the results.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:07:02

        Whoa.

    19. SRShawn Ryan1:07:02

        They wouldn't fucking release the results. So n- ... You know, they're in our, they're in our water treatment plants. They're in our power grid. I've been talking about this shit for years and then-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:07:13

        Cell phone towers.

    21. SRShawn Ryan1:07:14

        Cell phone towers, and then, and then F- FBI Director Chris Wray comes out and says, "Oh, yeah, turns ... You know." Turns out our grid's really vulnerable. (laughs) China's in there.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:07:25

        Not just that.

    23. SRShawn Ryan1:07:25

        And they're also in our treatment plants-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:07:27

        They're buying land.

    25. SRShawn Ryan1:07:27

        ... which means they can fucking poison us.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:07:29

        Yeah, they ... And they own land around military bases. Like, it's a ... If they are on a long-term strategy, it's very effective. They're doing a great job. Just g- ... They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things. They position them around military bases. Mike Baker was explaining all, all of it to me.

    27. SRShawn Ryan1:07:46

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:07:47

        And I'm like, "This is ... How is this ... How are they letting this go through?" Is it incompetence? Is it fools running it? Is ... Are they corrupt? Like, how did they do that? I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these countries, and we really found that out during COVID when you couldn't get shipments. It was like, "Whoa, wait a minute. How much of our shit is made over there? Like, everything?" Like, how much medicine is made overseas? How ma- how many different things that we need, that we constantly use, we don't even know how to make?

    29. SRShawn Ryan1:08:17

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:08:17

        A lot.
11. 1:14:34 – 1:46:52

    AI race, chips, and why the US struggles to rebuild advanced manufacturing

    1. SRShawn Ryan1:14:34

       I mean, I just, I don't feel like, I feel like technology is advancing at such a rapid pace. I, I've, I've, I, I mean, I feel, I feel like AI will take over... A- AI and robots will take over everything.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:14:50

       Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America.

    3. SRShawn Ryan1:14:55

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:14:56

       That would be good.

    5. SRShawn Ryan1:14:56

       No, I'm, I'm with you.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:14:57

       You know?

    7. SRShawn Ryan1:14:57

       I just, I don't see... I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the union worker.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

       Mm-hmm.

    9. SRShawn Ryan1:15:04

       I, I don't see where their place really fits in anymore.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

        There's gonna be a lot less of them. That's for sure. It's pretty much every job. A- and every manual labor job is under threat.

    11. SRShawn Ryan1:15:13

        I think, I think every job's under threat.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:15

        I don't think podcasts.

    13. SRShawn Ryan1:15:16

        (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:17

        What are you gonna do, bitch?

    15. SRShawn Ryan1:15:19

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

        How you gonna think like me?

    17. SRShawn Ryan1:15:21

        Yeah. Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

        Like (laughs) , good luck. Good luck.

    19. SRShawn Ryan1:15:23

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

        And comedy, you're always gonna have comedy. Uh, movies are in real trouble because AI can write pretty fucking amazing scripts and the CGI, the, the way they can crank out video is bananas now.

    21. SRShawn Ryan1:15:34

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

        I mean, it's bananas. It's just, it looks perfect and it comes out, like, in minutes instead of years.

    23. SRShawn Ryan1:15:40

        Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

        I don't know. Well, I know AI's gonna translate, so, um, Spotify is gonna translate my show to multiple different languages-

Episode duration: 2:42:09