Joe Rogan Experience #2209 - Paul Rosolie

1. 0:00 – 1:50

   Paul’s return to JRE and the “protect the river” mission update

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) All right, we're rolling. Are you taking a selfie?

   4. PRPaul Rosolie0:14

      No, I'm- I'm just making sure that there's nothing completely retarded-looking about myself right now. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (laughs) What could possibly be different than the way w- when you walked in here?

   6. PRPaul Rosolie0:25

      I have no idea. Dude, I'm- I'll tell you what. It's so much fun walking in here and not be, like, ready to throw up out of nerves. The first time, I walked out of here and I went, "Holy shit, I was actually nervous." I don't get nervous, but the first time I was. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:38

      Not nervous now though?

   8. PRPaul Rosolie0:39

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:39

      Good.

   10. PRPaul Rosolie0:40

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Beautiful.

   12. PRPaul Rosolie0:40

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Perfect.

   14. PRPaul Rosolie0:41

       No. No. No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It's good to see you again.

   16. PRPaul Rosolie0:42

       Good to see you, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Every time I see him, like, I'm glad he's still alive.

   18. PRPaul Rosolie0:45

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs) It's like, where you live is so crazy.

   20. PRPaul Rosolie0:48

       Let me tell you, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it.

   22. PRPaul Rosolie0:52

       Uh, I have to do it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah.

   24. PRPaul Rosolie0:54

       There's nothing else I can do at this point.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       How long do you think you're gonna stay out there for?

   26. PRPaul Rosolie0:58

       Until the mission's complete. Until the mission's complete. I mean, we have- I've- my whole life has been based around one goal, it's been protecting this river. So- and this year, we've just been experiencing miracles. What's happened in the last few months has been ch- life-changing on a level that- that, like, I didn't understand these things could happen. When Lex came down and everything that happened, we didn't think- y- you go out and you don't think that- that miraculous things are gonna happen, and there's been a- there's just been- there's just- we- we've actually been making strides towards notching wins in protecting this river, saving the Amazon. It's wild.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       So, uh, w- is it because, of- you've become m- more high profile, you've got more support? Like, what has- what has been the change?

   28. PRPaul Rosolie1:41

       Well, I mean, coming on here helped a lot, I mean, the- first of all, just coming over here, like, three different people stopped me in the airport and were like, "Are you that guy from Joe Rogan?" And I was like, "Are you serious?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       (laughs)

2. 1:50 – 5:03

   Lex Fridman goes to the Amazon: from Andes glaciers to rainforest reality

   1. PRPaul Rosolie1:50

      Like, I'm over there (laughs) , like, I'm not used to this. I live in the jungle so I don't, you know, I don't know, and then I come back here, and then people are like, "Dude, I know you. You're the jungle guy," and I'm like, "Oh, shit." Um, that's new for me, um, but ... So, really, the- the thing that happened recently was that, you know, so I went on Lex's show, I don't know, a year and a half ago and he said, uh, "I'm gonna come down to the Amazon," which everybody says.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show. (laughs)

   3. PRPaul Rosolie2:17

      (laughs) You can say that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      He did it in the Amazon, and to see Lex with his suit, his-

   5. PRPaul Rosolie2:20

      With the suit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      ... customary suit on.

   7. PRPaul Rosolie2:22

      With the suit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      How hot was it?

   9. PRPaul Rosolie2:23

      It was hot. If you watch that carefully, you can see him-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah, he looks glisteny.

   11. PRPaul Rosolie2:27

       ... yeah. I was doing fine, but, uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       (laughs)

   13. PRPaul Rosolie2:28

       ... we, like, we both, like, covered ourselves in bug spray and we were l- we just, we sat down and we said, "Okay, we're just gonna try it out, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, it's fine." But yeah, he came- like, when he said he was coming down, I was like, "Yeah, you and everybody else. Everybody says they're gonna come down." I didn't think he would actually do it, and then ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       How long is the flight?

   15. PRPaul Rosolie2:46

       Um, it's not long. To get to Lima from New York is eight hours, so from here it's even shorter, I'm sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Oh, wow.

   17. PRPaul Rosolie2:51

       Yeah, it's really not bad, and he came down for two weeks. The first day that he was (laughs) here, I was like, "I wanna show you the start of the En- of the- of the Amazon rainforest," which starts in the Andes mountains, so we're in the western edge of the Amazon rainforest. And so, you have these glacial peaks up at 17,000 feet, so I was- I was like, "Lex, we g- I wanna take you up to 17,000 feet. I wanna go from source to river." And so his first day, he arrived and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain, and then we met up with these dudes that are experts and they brought us up to the glacier, where we can't breathe ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       Wow.

   19. PRPaul Rosolie3:24

       Yeah, it was- it was- y- you're driving on roads where- where the- the, you know, the- the cliff goes down 1,000 feet, and the cl-

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Yeah, fuck all that, I've seen those roads.

   21. PRPaul Rosolie3:32

       Fuck. All. That. And- and I was- I opened the car door to try and goof around with Lex, to be like, "Oh, I'm with Lex Freeman right now in the thing," and I look over and I see the wheel go over the fucking edge and skid back on and I was like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Oh. It happens all the time.

   23. PRPaul Rosolie3:46

       Ahh. So yeah, we got out. We- we- we walked. We let the car- I was like, "Look, the car drive," and then what we did was we took a rock and I was like, "Yo, Lex," I was like, "This would be us if- if the car flipped," and we threw a rock over the edge and this big rock was just spinning like this, and I was like, "Man, we would be chopped meat by the bottom."

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Yeah.

   25. PRPaul Rosolie4:02

       So we got up to 17,000 feet, we saw the- the glacier, and whenever you bring somebody to the jungle, the thing is, you don't know, some people take to it, some people don't. Some people get to the jungle and like their skin doesn't react well to the bug bites, they're overwhelmed by the fact that they're far from everything. Lex's eyes lit up. Like, I didn't know he had that setting. He walked into the jungle and was like, "I like this."

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       (laughs)

   27. PRPaul Rosolie4:26

       He got this grin on his face, he was just-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Lex is a secret savage.

   29. PRPaul Rosolie4:29

       Yeah. (laughs) L- look at his face, he wasn't-

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Yeah.
3. 5:03 – 8:51

   The “20-mile hike” that went wrong: wasps, brutal terrain, and no water

   1. PRPaul Rosolie5:03

      Let's find the wildest place we can think of. Let's th- let's go way up our river," so we're already like two d- if you take a boat from town, it's two days deep into the jungle to get there by river. We said, "Let's go five more hours upriver, leave the boat, and then we're gonna go from our river up to this other tributary," and it's like 20 miles, and we're like, "20- 20 miles, right? The fuck, yeah, this'll be fine." We had our backpacks, machetes, we get off the boat, and Lex is all good to go. The first five minutes we're out there, JJ machetes a branch that has wasps.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Oh, God.

   3. PRPaul Rosolie5:36

      His whole head and neck gets surrounded by wasps, he gets 30 stings on him-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:39

      Uh oh. Uh oh.

   5. PRPaul Rosolie5:39

      ... and he runs, and so right away we're like, "Oh God, here we go." We had to use a stick to get his hat out from under where the wasps were attacking. We hike all day, and here's the thing, you think it's the rainforest, there's gonna be water everywhere. There was no water. So, picture being in the sauna for eight hours straight and then no re-up on water. We drank all of our water thinking we were gonna find a stream. We didn't find a stream. We camped that night-... like, dry camp, nothing. Fell asleep, woke up, we're like, "We gotta find water." And at this point, Lex is-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:09

      How do you find water?

   7. PRPaul Rosolie6:11

      Well, I mean, there should just be streams, right? This, this section-

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      Were there that you just didn't run into? Or is like-

   9. PRPaul Rosolie6:16

      It was a weird section of forest. And, and this is integral to the whole story, was that this part of the forest, unlike where we are, which is very, very flat and there's all these, like, little streams, they're clear. There's caiman and anaconda in them, but they're clear. And the jungle works, like the roots work like a huge filtering system. So, you can drink that water right out of the streams. Where we were, it was up and down and up and down and up and down, and so that's why we're sweating all day. We camped, we didn't have water. We start going the next day, no water, and Lex starts looking at me and he's like, "Dude, we can't keep doing this." We're s- we're slipping and sliding down slopes, we're hiking up slopes and just grabbing onto things, and when you grab onto trees in the Amazon, they have spikes on them. You're worried about stepping on venomous snakes, you're worried about twisting an ankle. It was brutal travel, like level 10 hiking, and JJ made conte- made eye contact with me behind him, and he was just going, "This is, this is not good." And so, I think it was day three, we're wa- we're, we're going, and we're in such-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       Did you go a whole day without water at all?

   11. PRPaul Rosolie7:16

       We went with a whole day with no water whatsoever.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       And what's the temperature?

   13. PRPaul Rosolie7:20

       99 degrees.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Ugh.

   15. PRPaul Rosolie7:21

       Full humidity.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       Oh my God.

   17. PRPaul Rosolie7:23

       And-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       So, you're, like, full dehydration.

   19. PRPaul Rosolie7:25

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Probably a little delirious.

   21. PRPaul Rosolie7:27

       Completely delirious, and so we're-

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Body's not working well.

   23. PRPaul Rosolie7:29

       And you start making errors.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:31

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   25. PRPaul Rosolie8:51

       Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Right.

4. 8:51 – 12:58

   Ancient untouched forest—and the shock of a new logging road

   1. PRPaul Rosolie8:51

      You start taking bad steps 'cause you're tired, so you go, "I'll just step on this thing." And so you, you step on a root that goes down, you slide, boof, you hit the ground. You get ta- tangled up in vines. We had, we had, um, pack rafts. There's this company out, Pack O'Rafts, they, we had paddles sticking out of our backpacks that kept getting stuck on vines. And what happened though was, as we're going through this forest, we're going, "God, this is so incredibly dense." And I see this tree, this huge tree, the size of this room. And I go, "JJ, what tree is that?" And he smiles at me, teacher to student, and he goes, "You know why you know, don't know what that is?" He goes, "You've never seen a mature mahogany tree, because the loggers down there, they took 'em all out."

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:28

      Oh.

   3. PRPaul Rosolie9:28

      This forest has never been cut. Millions of years, the Amazon rainforest forming geologically has never been cut. And so we're going through this forest, we see jaguar tracks, ancient mahogany trees.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      Oh.

   5. PRPaul Rosolie9:40

      We're seeing ironwood trees. No one's been, there's not even signs of uncontacted tribes. This is forest that no one's been through. And so right at the time, I remember we stopped for lunch, lunch, we stopped to eat the last food we have, and we're... The problem that we were doing was, I had, I had a compass, and we were getting to the top of these hills, and you know when you look on the ocean floor and the, the, the sand makes like those geometric ripples?

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Mm-hmm.

   7. PRPaul Rosolie10:03

      And there's like, there's a pattern to it. And so we were coming to the top of a ridge line and we were like, "We don't wanna go down again, and we don't wanna hike up again." So we're staying on the ridge lines, and what that was doing was taking us a 30-degree tick to the, I think it was to the west, but that, what that was doing though was taking us about another 20 miles off course.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      Oh, no.

   9. PRPaul Rosolie10:22

      So we, we had to hit the river here, but we were gonna hit over there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Oh, no.

   11. PRPaul Rosolie10:25

       So we had to correct for course, we stopped, we were eating the last of the food we have. We drank water out of a puddle. I have a video and we're gonna release all this.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Do you have a pump? Do you have a filtration system?

   13. PRPaul Rosolie10:35

       We, we went with nothing. We had our-

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   15. PRPaul Rosolie10:36

       We had our tents and our machetes. And I have a video, (laughs) a video of Lex and he's looking at this puddle-

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Why didn't you bring a SteriPEN or something?

   17. PRPaul Rosolie10:44

       Uh, 'cause I do everything with the local guys and they were just like, "Oh, it'll be fine. There'll be water." And we just, we didn't anticipate this happening. And I had, I, Lex was crouched by this wa- by this puddle with his backpack on and he's like looking at the water and he looks at me and he goes, "I'm gonna drink it." And I said, "Do not drink that."

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       (laughs)

   19. PRPaul Rosolie11:01

       I was like, "Please don't fucking drink that." And he, he goes, "I'm gonna drink it." He goes, "I don't care about anything else on earth right now except for water." And I was like, "Please don't drink it."

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Giardia is no joke.

   21. PRPaul Rosolie11:11

       Nope. We stopped for lunch. We-

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       Did he drink it?

   23. PRPaul Rosolie11:15

       He did not drink it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       Wow.

   25. PRPaul Rosolie11:16

       No. He, you know, I mean, we, we didn't want... If we... 'Cause now we're going if we get sick, we have no sat phone.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Right, right.

   27. PRPaul Rosolie11:20

       No communication to the outside world.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       Yeah.

   29. PRPaul Rosolie11:21

       We're at least 30 miles from the nearest river, let alone help.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Right.
5. 12:58 – 14:42

   From despair to action: funding a land purchase and converting loggers into rangers

   1. PRPaul Rosolie12:58

      some of the most ancient forest on Earth is about to be destroyed. And we get back to our base, to our research station, and it just so happens that there was a client there, and he was staying in the, that tree house, the Alta Sanctuary tree house. And we tell him this whole story, and we're drinking and we're eating, and we're, you know, we're all sunburnt and bug bitten and dehydrated, and our cheeks are s- you know, stuck to our skulls. And we tell him this whole story, and we go, "Ugh, it's gonna be brutal watching this," you know, "dismantled." And he goes, "Well, I wanna help." He goes, "Find out how we get that land." And I, it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it. And this dude, this guy's name is Jay, and he said, uh, he goes, "I'll, I'll, I'll start you off." He goes, "Whatever the land costs, I'll give you 150 grand. Do a fundraiser, put it public, and try and get matching donations, and talk to the loggers." So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happen to own that land. His friends don't want the land. They're contracting it to loggers to get the trees out to make some money so they could just sell it off. We put it up on Instagram, we raised $150,000 in 48 hours. Talked to the loggers, bought the land, and then, the craziest part, is that when we were, we went there, we physically, with all the directors of Jungle Keepers, we went to the land, and the Peruvians, the, the Peruvian director sat down with the loggers, and they were like, "Look, we own this land now. It's for conservation. We're gonna save this forest." And the loggers went, "That's fine, but can, can we still work here?" And we went, "What?" And they said, "We do this 'cause we love it." And we went, "What?" They said, "Yeah, could we just be rangers? Like, we see you have rangers. Could we be rangers?" And we were like, "Yeah, you could be rangers."

   2. NANarrator14:35

      (laughs)

   3. PRPaul Rosolie14:36

      "Yeah, you could be rangers." (laughs) These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love 'cause they have no other opportunity.

   4. NANarrator14:41

      Right.

6. 14:42 – 15:30

   Scaling Jungle Keepers: donor networks, rapid-response conservation, and acreage milestones

   1. PRPaul Rosolie14:42

      So, the fact that this is, that, that we now have this global network of people that care, the local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon, and now we have all these people all over the world, because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that they just... You know, if people would give $5, $10, $100 a month, we have this huge network of donors, and now we're able to get those wins. We see a threatened patch of forest? Boom, we grab it. Hire the loggers as rangers. Everybody wins.

   2. NANarrator15:11

      Mm-hmm.

   3. PRPaul Rosolie15:11

      And we're saving forest. This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres. That's one-third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect. So, we're one-third of the way through the goal.

   4. NANarrator15:25

      Wow.

   5. PRPaul Rosolie15:26

      That's all been happening in the last month and a half.

   6. NANarrator15:29

      That's incredible.

   7. PRPaul Rosolie15:30

      Miracles.

7. 15:30 – 19:44

   Jungle logistics and cultural friction: water habits, extreme packing, and eating monkey

   1. NANarrator15:30

      So are you, y- when you're navigating, you're not using GPS, you're just using a compass?

   2. PRPaul Rosolie15:35

      Yeah.

   3. NANarrator15:36

      Why?

   4. PRPaul Rosolie15:37

      Uh, commitment. (laughs)

   5. NANarrator15:40

      What? (laughs)

   6. PRPaul Rosolie15:43

      (laughs) Because look, um, so I actually-

   7. NANarrator15:44

      Wouldn't you want the best tools for the job?

   8. PRPaul Rosolie15:47

      I agree with you, and if you're in a really... So when we go out to really remote places, when you just cannot fuck around, yes, we do bring like a Garmin GPS and we have the map, and-

   9. NANarrator15:55

      Well that sounds like you cannot fuck around if you guys are without water for two days.

   10. PRPaul Rosolie15:59

       We thought we were gonna go in the forest and go on a walk. 20 miles isn't, a 20-mile hike is nothing. We do that every day. We did not... The reason this forest hadn't been cut was because it was up and down and up and down, and denser than all the other forest, 'cause it's fucking ancient. And so we discovered it and how hard it was, and that's where I'm going, "Holy shit, we brought Lex Fridman out here."

   11. NANarrator16:18

       He's gonna die.

   12. PRPaul Rosolie16:19

       And he's gonna die.

   13. NANarrator16:20

       Of dehydration.

   14. PRPaul Rosolie16:20

       And he was looking at me. I mean, there were so many times during the trip where he looked at me and you could just tell, he was like, "Fuck you, dude."

   15. NANarrator16:25

       Boo.

   16. PRPaul Rosolie16:26

       "Just, just fuck you, man."

   17. NANarrator16:27

       What, how do you find water? You just stumble upon it? Is that-

   18. PRPaul Rosolie16:31

       I, I mean, from, from our base, you walk five minutes back into the jungle and there's a beautiful clear stream, and I, I drink straight out of the stream, no problem. Now, I wouldn't... For someone that comes to the jungle, I wouldn't say, "Just start doing that." I'd say, "Like, take a sip the first day, see how your stomach goes." I've been down there 20 years, so I'm fine. The locals-

   19. NANarrator16:47

       So, is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is?

   20. PRPaul Rosolie16:51

       I mean, some people, you take them... You know, you go to Italy and they get sick, you know? But like, you know, it's like pe- people, some people-

   21. NANarrator16:56

       Fragile folk.

   22. PRPaul Rosolie16:56

       Fragile folk.

   23. NANarrator16:58

       Yeah.

   24. PRPaul Rosolie16:58

       Um, you know, sunscreen and bug spray.

   25. NANarrator17:00

       (laughs)

   26. PRPaul Rosolie17:00

       Um, but we... (laughs) Somebody said that too, 'cause I, I posted a video of me, uh, drinking like monkey head soup and coffee out of a bowl.

   27. NANarrator17:09

       What? Monkey head soup?

   28. PRPaul Rosolie17:11

       (laughs) We went with the locals before everybody, all the PETA people freak out. I don't care, freak out. Um, when you live with the locals, when, when in Rome...

   29. NANarrator17:19

       Right.

   30. PRPaul Rosolie17:20

       ... you know, if you go to someone's house and they're local-
8. 19:44 – 49:53

   Food systems, “sustainable” marketing, and the U.S. chemical pipeline (Apeel, dyes, glyphosate)

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:44

      Yeah, well people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're just so, they're so delusional about where your food comes from. It's a, it's a fascinating thing. And, and vegans are probably the worst at it, because if they really, if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified. They'd be horrified at industrial pre-

   2. PRPaul Rosolie20:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      ... pesticides and herbicides and all, all the shit that we put in the soil. And how, you know, how many small animals get murdered in the process? It's, eh ...

   4. PRPaul Rosolie20:16

      Well, you gotta clear space for a farm, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:17

      Oh, you, you not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and, and anything that's in the way.

   6. PRPaul Rosolie20:23

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:23

      Anything that's gonna eat your crops.

   8. PRPaul Rosolie20:26

      Well, in the j- in the jungle, that's what they're doing. They're ... All this burning, all this Amazon fires shit that goes on-

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      Mm-hmm.

   10. PRPaul Rosolie20:32

       ... is, every year is people coming in, and 60% of it is for beef. But the other percent of it is for papaya and corn and cacao. I see a lot of stuff where they're like, "Oh, sustainable cacao from the Amazon." I'm like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       Mm.

   12. PRPaul Rosolie20:45

       ... how is it sustainable cacao from the Amazon?

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       Right.

   14. PRPaul Rosolie20:47

       You cut down an ecosystem and trees that have mili- ... Thousands of species living on them.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:51

       Right.

   16. PRPaul Rosolie20:52

       It's not. And so-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       Not sustainable.

   18. PRPaul Rosolie20:53

       Yeah, so-

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Sustainable's one of those words, like organic, people like to throw it around.

   20. PRPaul Rosolie20:56

       Just slap it on the package.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       I mean, that's like, uh, that, that Apeel stuff, they call that organic.

   22. PRPaul Rosolie21:01

       Oh, that is?

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       You know what that is?

   24. PRPaul Rosolie21:02

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       It's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it from going bad.

   26. PRPaul Rosolie21:08

       The wax?

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Well, it's some weird sup- ... What, uh, what's the ingredients of Apeel? See, like, part of it is, uh, quote-unquote, "organic," but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are. Apeel is a plant-based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer. Seems normal, right? Like, "Yeah. It's plant-based." But what's in there? It's, uh, commonly found in organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water.

   28. PRPaul Rosolie21:38

       Mm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       Like, we were reading that if you have an avocado, what ... So, s- so we were in, uh, Elk Camp and we were reading about this stuff.

   30. PRPaul Rosolie21:45

       Hmm.
9. 49:53 – 58:57

   Hemp as a forest-saving commodity: paper, decorticators, and cannabis prohibition incentives

   1. JRJoe Rogan49:53

      And we can do a lot less of that too if we, uh, th- here's, there's another, uh, another issue, commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Paper ... Like, let's Google, in America, how many, uh, acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So, the demonization of, uh, the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad.

   2. PRPaul Rosolie50:27

      It wasn't that the drug, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan50:27

      No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years.

   4. PRPaul Rosolie50:31

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan50:31

      It's g- one of the safest drugs in terms of, like, risk profile. The LD50 of marijuana is nuts. You, you'd li-

   6. PRPaul Rosolie50:38

      What, what's the LD50?

   7. JRJoe Rogan50:39

      LD50 is lethal dose at 50%.

   8. PRPaul Rosolie50:42

      Is that, say, can you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan50:43

      So, f-

   10. PRPaul Rosolie50:43

       ... lethal dose yourself with the marijuana?

   11. JRJoe Rogan50:45

       (laughs) I used to have a joke about it, like, the only way d- the only way you die from marijuana is if, uh, they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plane-

   12. PRPaul Rosolie50:52

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan50:52

       ... and it hits you in the head. Like, you can do stupid things that could wind up-

   14. PRPaul Rosolie50:56

       Sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan50:56

       ... getting killed. You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abused marijuana. And by the way, I wanna say, marijuana's not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not. There's certain people-

   16. PRPaul Rosolie51:05

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan51:05

       ... that have a tendency towards schizophrenia, and high-dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people.

   18. PRPaul Rosolie51:12

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan51:12

       Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children, and, and I agree with him. I've m- I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper. This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. US uses approximately 68 million trees each year-

   20. PRPaul Rosolie51:32

       Sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:32

       ... to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy. Crazy.

   22. PRPaul Rosolie51:45

       And you're saying hemp could grow fast, so like, kinda like bamboo-

   23. JRJoe Rogan51:48

       Not, not onl- it's-

   24. PRPaul Rosolie51:48

       ... it could grow faster.

   25. JRJoe Rogan51:49

       That's actually renewable.

   26. PRPaul Rosolie51:51

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan51:52

       Like, that term that people like to throw around, renewable.

   28. PRPaul Rosolie51:54

       It's actually renewable. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan51:55

       That's actually renewable. It grows like a weed because it kinda is a weed. My friend, Todd, uh, used to have a, a l- a, like a stalk of a mature hemp plant-

   30. PRPaul Rosolie52:06

       Mm-hmm.
10. 58:57 – 1:04:55

    Old-growth awe: the oldest trees, Scotland lore, and why humans destroy what they love

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:57

       When I was in Scotland, they were claiming this... I don't know if this is true, but, uh, th- 'cause there's a lot of really old shit in Scot- They have these stones.

    2. PRPaul Rosolie59:05

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:05

       We, yeah, we were in Scotland. There's these guide stones on the ground and I go, "What's that from?" They go, "We don't know." I go, "How old is it?" They're like, "It's about 5,000 years old." I was like, "What? You just walk up to a 5,000 year old stone?"

    4. PRPaul Rosolie59:16

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       There's a stone circle out there. There's a stone circle-

    6. PRPaul Rosolie59:20

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan59:20

       ... like that someone has constructed. It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale.

    8. PRPaul Rosolie59:25

       Smaller, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan59:25

       And it's older than Stonehenge and it's just on the street in front of this dude's house. So this guy said, "Do you want to see it?"

    10. PRPaul Rosolie59:31

        It's not even like a heritage site.

    11. JRJoe Rogan59:32

        No. No, it has a little plaque that's like that big.

    12. PRPaul Rosolie59:35

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan59:35

        So we got out of the car and we walk over to it. You could walk on it. You could stand on it. I'm like, "This is so weird." Like, "How old is this?"

    14. PRPaul Rosolie59:42

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:42

        They're like, "We're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old." Like, the druids made these things.

    16. PRPaul Rosolie59:48

        And no one knows where it comes from.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:49

        They don't know. They don't know who did it. They don't know why. This guide stone was just on the ground ne- next to this, uh, th- this pathway. And I was like, "What is this?" They're like, "That's a, you know, 5,000 year old guide stone." Like, what does... What?

    18. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:02

        Whoa.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

        (laughs) Who may have put that there?

    20. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:04

        Shit.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

        Why isn't a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.

    22. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:09

        No, I mean, it's, it's w- this is just a meteorite?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

        Yes.

    24. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:12

        That is a meteorite. That's super cool.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

        So, um, weren't they saying that... So they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like, "What?"

    26. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:20

        What?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

        I don't know how that's true.

    28. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:21

        I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

        Hmm.

    30. PRPaul Rosolie1:00:25

        Wouldn't it be? (clicks tongue) I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere. It was like one of those, it's like, you know, like six feet tall and like super rooty-
11. 1:04:55 – 1:42:40

    Unknown animals and primate extremes: Denisovans, ‘Bondo apes,’ chimp societies, and ‘humanzee’ myths

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:55

       Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago. But yet, we still know so little. And they're sti- they still... Like, 2010, they found a new human species, th- the Denisovans. They didn't even know that Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia-

    2. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:16

       Hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:05:16

       ... have Denisovan in them, and maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.

    4. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:20

       They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the '90s.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:05:26

       Pfft. Well, wasn't a gorilla, like, a myth until they went... I think gorillas-

    6. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:32

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

       ... were, like, mythical creatures until, like, the-

    8. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:35

       To Europeans?

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:05:35

       ... 1800s. Like, when did they discover gorillas?

    10. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:40

        W- I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably had some mental issues.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:05:43

        Well, I'm sure Africans saw gorillas-

    12. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:44

        I mean, they were just laying around gorillas all the time.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

        ... but they couldn't get the word out.

    14. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:46

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:47

        (laughs)

    16. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:47

        But, like, the first explorer with his, you know, his chain mail to show up-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        Yeah.

    18. PRPaul Rosolie1:05:50

        ... and look at a gorilla.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:51

        Uh, it wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better. But among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.

    20. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:04

        (laughs) There's human-like, big 400-pound monsters in the, like- Insane.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:06:11

        Yeah. Well, there's-

    22. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:12

        Insane.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:06:13

        There's th- This is a really controversial one. It's the Bondo Ape, and that's, uh, a particular area of the Congo called Billie. And Billie has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla. So, like, this is a normal chimpanzee skull.

    24. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:29

        Okay.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:06:29

        See how it's smooth on the top?

    26. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:30

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:30

        Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive-

    28. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:36

        Attaches, yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:36

        ... because they mostly just- Th- They only eat plants.

    30. PRPaul Rosolie1:06:40

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:30:53