Joe Rogan Experience #2209 - Paul Rosolie

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Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) All right, we're rolling. Are you taking a selfie?

Paul Rosolie 0:14 No, I'm- I'm just making sure that there's nothing completely retarded-looking about myself right now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:21 (laughs) What could possibly be different than the way w- when you walked in here?

Paul Rosolie 0:25 I have no idea. Dude, I'm- I'll tell you what. It's so much fun walking in here and not be, like, ready to throw up out of nerves. The first time, I walked out of here and I went, "Holy shit, I was actually nervous." I don't get nervous, but the first time I was. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:38 Not nervous now though?

Paul Rosolie 0:39 No.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Good.

Paul Rosolie 0:40 No.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Beautiful.

Paul Rosolie 0:40 No.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Perfect.

Paul Rosolie 0:41 No. No. No.

Joe Rogan 0:41 It's good to see you again.

Paul Rosolie 0:42 Good to see you, man.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Every time I see him, like, I'm glad he's still alive.

Paul Rosolie 0:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 (laughs) It's like, where you live is so crazy.

Paul Rosolie 0:48 Let me tell you, man.

Joe Rogan 0:49 I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it.

Paul Rosolie 0:52 Uh, I have to do it.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 0:54 There's nothing else I can do at this point.

Joe Rogan 0:56 How long do you think you're gonna stay out there for?

Paul Rosolie 0:58 Until the mission's complete. Until the mission's complete. I mean, we have- I've- my whole life has been based around one goal, it's been protecting this river. So- and this year, we've just been experiencing miracles. What's happened in the last few months has been ch- life-changing on a level that- that, like, I didn't understand these things could happen. When Lex came down and everything that happened, we didn't think- y- you go out and you don't think that- that miraculous things are gonna happen, and there's been a- there's just been- there's just- we- we've actually been making strides towards notching wins in protecting this river, saving the Amazon. It's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:34 So, uh, w- is it because, of- you've become m- more high profile, you've got more support? Like, what has- what has been the change?

Paul Rosolie 1:41 Well, I mean, coming on here helped a lot, I mean, the- first of all, just coming over here, like, three different people stopped me in the airport and were like, "Are you that guy from Joe Rogan?" And I was like, "Are you serious?"

Joe Rogan 1:50 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 1:50 Like, I'm over there (laughs) , like, I'm not used to this. I live in the jungle so I don't, you know, I don't know, and then I come back here, and then people are like, "Dude, I know you. You're the jungle guy," and I'm like, "Oh, shit." Um, that's new for me, um, but ... So, really, the- the thing that happened recently was that, you know, so I went on Lex's show, I don't know, a year and a half ago and he said, uh, "I'm gonna come down to the Amazon," which everybody says.

Joe Rogan 2:12 You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show. (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 2:17 (laughs) You can say that.

Joe Rogan 2:17 He did it in the Amazon, and to see Lex with his suit, his-

Paul Rosolie 2:20 With the suit.

Joe Rogan 2:20 ... customary suit on.

Paul Rosolie 2:22 With the suit.

Joe Rogan 2:22 How hot was it?

Paul Rosolie 2:23 It was hot. If you watch that carefully, you can see him-

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah, he looks glisteny.

Paul Rosolie 2:27 ... yeah. I was doing fine, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:28 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 2:28 ... we, like, we both, like, covered ourselves in bug spray and we were l- we just, we sat down and we said, "Okay, we're just gonna try it out, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, it's fine." But yeah, he came- like, when he said he was coming down, I was like, "Yeah, you and everybody else. Everybody says they're gonna come down." I didn't think he would actually do it, and then ...

Joe Rogan 2:43 How long is the flight?

Paul Rosolie 2:46 Um, it's not long. To get to Lima from New York is eight hours, so from here it's even shorter, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Oh, wow.

Paul Rosolie 2:51 Yeah, it's really not bad, and he came down for two weeks. The first day that he was (laughs) here, I was like, "I wanna show you the start of the En- of the- of the Amazon rainforest," which starts in the Andes mountains, so we're in the western edge of the Amazon rainforest. And so, you have these glacial peaks up at 17,000 feet, so I was- I was like, "Lex, we g- I wanna take you up to 17,000 feet. I wanna go from source to river." And so his first day, he arrived and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain, and then we met up with these dudes that are experts and they brought us up to the glacier, where we can't breathe ...

Joe Rogan 3:23 Wow.

Paul Rosolie 3:24 Yeah, it was- it was- y- you're driving on roads where- where the- the, you know, the- the cliff goes down 1,000 feet, and the cl-

Joe Rogan 3:31 Yeah, fuck all that, I've seen those roads.

Paul Rosolie 3:32 Fuck. All. That. And- and I was- I opened the car door to try and goof around with Lex, to be like, "Oh, I'm with Lex Freeman right now in the thing," and I look over and I see the wheel go over the fucking edge and skid back on and I was like-

Joe Rogan 3:44 Oh. It happens all the time.

Paul Rosolie 3:46 Ahh. So yeah, we got out. We- we- we walked. We let the car- I was like, "Look, the car drive," and then what we did was we took a rock and I was like, "Yo, Lex," I was like, "This would be us if- if the car flipped," and we threw a rock over the edge and this big rock was just spinning like this, and I was like, "Man, we would be chopped meat by the bottom."

Joe Rogan 4:01 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 4:02 So we got up to 17,000 feet, we saw the- the glacier, and whenever you bring somebody to the jungle, the thing is, you don't know, some people take to it, some people don't. Some people get to the jungle and like their skin doesn't react well to the bug bites, they're overwhelmed by the fact that they're far from everything. Lex's eyes lit up. Like, I didn't know he had that setting. He walked into the jungle and was like, "I like this."

Joe Rogan 4:24 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 4:26 He got this grin on his face, he was just-

Joe Rogan 4:28 Lex is a secret savage.

Paul Rosolie 4:29 Yeah. (laughs) L- look at his face, he wasn't-

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 4:31 ... fucking around.

Joe Rogan 4:32 Yeah, he could live out there.

Paul Rosolie 4:33 Yeah, and if you notice, he came to the Amazon and he looked like- like the fir- like- like Lex in his profile picture, and when he left the Amazon, he- he- he looked totally different. And- and that process is- is- is what happened. We- he said, you know, he said like, uh, "If I'm coming down," he's like, "I wanna do what you guys do. I wanna go on like, a deep expedition." And so me and JJ, who's the guy I work with down there, the local indigenous Ese Ehan native who- who is the reason that I do the work I do, I- I support his work, and so we said, "Okay, what are we gonna do?

Paul Rosolie 5:03 Let's find the wildest place we can think of. Let's th- let's go way up our river," so we're already like two d- if you take a boat from town, it's two days deep into the jungle to get there by river. We said, "Let's go five more hours upriver, leave the boat, and then we're gonna go from our river up to this other tributary," and it's like 20 miles, and we're like, "20- 20 miles, right? The fuck, yeah, this'll be fine." We had our backpacks, machetes, we get off the boat, and Lex is all good to go. The first five minutes we're out there, JJ machetes a branch that has wasps.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Oh, God.

Paul Rosolie 5:36 His whole head and neck gets surrounded by wasps, he gets 30 stings on him-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Uh oh. Uh oh.

Paul Rosolie 5:39 ... and he runs, and so right away we're like, "Oh God, here we go." We had to use a stick to get his hat out from under where the wasps were attacking. We hike all day, and here's the thing, you think it's the rainforest, there's gonna be water everywhere. There was no water. So, picture being in the sauna for eight hours straight and then no re-up on water. We drank all of our water thinking we were gonna find a stream. We didn't find a stream. We camped that night-... like, dry camp, nothing. Fell asleep, woke up, we're like, "We gotta find water." And at this point, Lex is-

Joe Rogan 6:09 How do you find water?

Paul Rosolie 6:11 Well, I mean, there should just be streams, right? This, this section-

Joe Rogan 6:13 Were there that you just didn't run into? Or is like-

Paul Rosolie 6:16 It was a weird section of forest. And, and this is integral to the whole story, was that this part of the forest, unlike where we are, which is very, very flat and there's all these, like, little streams, they're clear. There's caiman and anaconda in them, but they're clear. And the jungle works, like the roots work like a huge filtering system. So, you can drink that water right out of the streams. Where we were, it was up and down and up and down and up and down, and so that's why we're sweating all day. We camped, we didn't have water. We start going the next day, no water, and Lex starts looking at me and he's like, "Dude, we can't keep doing this." We're s- we're slipping and sliding down slopes, we're hiking up slopes and just grabbing onto things, and when you grab onto trees in the Amazon, they have spikes on them. You're worried about stepping on venomous snakes, you're worried about twisting an ankle. It was brutal travel, like level 10 hiking, and JJ made conte- made eye contact with me behind him, and he was just going, "This is, this is not good." And so, I think it was day three, we're wa- we're, we're going, and we're in such-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Did you go a whole day without water at all?

Paul Rosolie 7:16 We went with a whole day with no water whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 7:18 And what's the temperature?

Paul Rosolie 7:20 99 degrees.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Ugh.

Paul Rosolie 7:21 Full humidity.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Oh my God.

Paul Rosolie 7:23 And-

Joe Rogan 7:23 So, you're, like, full dehydration.

Paul Rosolie 7:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Probably a little delirious.

Paul Rosolie 7:27 Completely delirious, and so we're-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Body's not working well.

Paul Rosolie 7:29 And you start making errors.

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Paul Rosolie 8:51 Right?

Joe Rogan 8:51 Right.

Paul Rosolie 8:51 You start taking bad steps 'cause you're tired, so you go, "I'll just step on this thing." And so you, you step on a root that goes down, you slide, boof, you hit the ground. You get ta- tangled up in vines. We had, we had, um, pack rafts. There's this company out, Pack O'Rafts, they, we had paddles sticking out of our backpacks that kept getting stuck on vines. And what happened though was, as we're going through this forest, we're going, "God, this is so incredibly dense." And I see this tree, this huge tree, the size of this room. And I go, "JJ, what tree is that?" And he smiles at me, teacher to student, and he goes, "You know why you know, don't know what that is?" He goes, "You've never seen a mature mahogany tree, because the loggers down there, they took 'em all out."

Joe Rogan 9:28 Oh.

Paul Rosolie 9:28 This forest has never been cut. Millions of years, the Amazon rainforest forming geologically has never been cut. And so we're going through this forest, we see jaguar tracks, ancient mahogany trees.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Oh.

Paul Rosolie 9:40 We're seeing ironwood trees. No one's been, there's not even signs of uncontacted tribes. This is forest that no one's been through. And so right at the time, I remember we stopped for lunch, lunch, we stopped to eat the last food we have, and we're... The problem that we were doing was, I had, I had a compass, and we were getting to the top of these hills, and you know when you look on the ocean floor and the, the, the sand makes like those geometric ripples?

Joe Rogan 10:03 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 10:03 And there's like, there's a pattern to it. And so we were coming to the top of a ridge line and we were like, "We don't wanna go down again, and we don't wanna hike up again." So we're staying on the ridge lines, and what that was doing was taking us a 30-degree tick to the, I think it was to the west, but that, what that was doing though was taking us about another 20 miles off course.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Oh, no.

Paul Rosolie 10:22 So we, we had to hit the river here, but we were gonna hit over there.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Oh, no.

Paul Rosolie 10:25 So we had to correct for course, we stopped, we were eating the last of the food we have. We drank water out of a puddle. I have a video and we're gonna release all this.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Do you have a pump? Do you have a filtration system?

Paul Rosolie 10:35 We, we went with nothing. We had our-

Joe Rogan 10:36 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Paul Rosolie 10:36 We had our tents and our machetes. And I have a video, (laughs) a video of Lex and he's looking at this puddle-

Joe Rogan 10:41 Why didn't you bring a SteriPEN or something?

Paul Rosolie 10:44 Uh, 'cause I do everything with the local guys and they were just like, "Oh, it'll be fine. There'll be water." And we just, we didn't anticipate this happening. And I had, I, Lex was crouched by this wa- by this puddle with his backpack on and he's like looking at the water and he looks at me and he goes, "I'm gonna drink it." And I said, "Do not drink that."

Joe Rogan 11:01 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 11:01 I was like, "Please don't fucking drink that." And he, he goes, "I'm gonna drink it." He goes, "I don't care about anything else on earth right now except for water." And I was like, "Please don't drink it."

Joe Rogan 11:10 Giardia is no joke.

Paul Rosolie 11:11 Nope. We stopped for lunch. We-

Joe Rogan 11:14 Did he drink it?

Paul Rosolie 11:15 He did not drink it.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Wow.

Paul Rosolie 11:16 No. He, you know, I mean, we, we didn't want... If we... 'Cause now we're going if we get sick, we have no sat phone.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Right, right.

Paul Rosolie 11:20 No communication to the outside world.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 11:21 We're at least 30 miles from the nearest river, let alone help.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Right.

Paul Rosolie 11:25 That's 100 miles away. Deep in the Amazon, and the feeling of deep jungle, that feeling of wilderness. I kn- I know, like, you know, when you're like elk hunting, I'm sure you know this, when you're out there and you get that feeling like this is, this is out there.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 11:40 And-

Joe Rogan 11:40 Uncaring.

Paul Rosolie 11:41 Uncaring, yeah. You start at like the ocean where it's like it doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Yeah. It's almost like lonely.

Paul Rosolie 11:45 It's very lonely.

Joe Rogan 11:46 Even when you're with people, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 11:47 It starts to press, it starts to press on you.

Joe Rogan 11:48 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 11:48 We started getting quiet. Like we weren't having, like, an awesome time. We were, we were feeling it, and so we ate like some nuts and, and we had nothing to wash it down with, so we're just chewing on it, and we got up. And then we took a few steps and all of a sudden everything changed. We came out onto a road, and it's a logging road.And JJ's face fell, I was heartbroken. Lex, Lex looked confused. What we realized was, in this ancient patch of forest, the progression of the metastasizing destruction that's moving through the Amazon forest comes in roads. This road, somebody had just cut a road, and they hadn't cut the ancient mahogany trees, and they hadn't cut the ironwood trees, and the-

Narrator 12:27 Oh.

Paul Rosolie 12:28 ... and the wildlife is untouched, but there's a road. So, they're coming. We used the road, we hiked, we hiked out, we reached water. And it was, this is amazing, when we reached water, 'cause we just plunged into this river. We were drinking, we did have some iodine tablets. We, we put that in our water bottles. We drank, um, as much as we wanted to. And then we had to raft for an entire day back to the place where we got picked up. But what happened was that now we know, and this is on our river, this is where we're trying to create this corridor with Jungle Keepers, now we know that

Paul Rosolie 12:58 some of the most ancient forest on Earth is about to be destroyed. And we get back to our base, to our research station, and it just so happens that there was a client there, and he was staying in the, that tree house, the Alta Sanctuary tree house. And we tell him this whole story, and we're drinking and we're eating, and we're, you know, we're all sunburnt and bug bitten and dehydrated, and our cheeks are s- you know, stuck to our skulls. And we tell him this whole story, and we go, "Ugh, it's gonna be brutal watching this," you know, "dismantled." And he goes, "Well, I wanna help." He goes, "Find out how we get that land." And I, it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it. And this dude, this guy's name is Jay, and he said, uh, he goes, "I'll, I'll, I'll start you off." He goes, "Whatever the land costs, I'll give you 150 grand. Do a fundraiser, put it public, and try and get matching donations, and talk to the loggers." So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happen to own that land. His friends don't want the land. They're contracting it to loggers to get the trees out to make some money so they could just sell it off. We put it up on Instagram, we raised $150,000 in 48 hours. Talked to the loggers, bought the land, and then, the craziest part, is that when we were, we went there, we physically, with all the directors of Jungle Keepers, we went to the land, and the Peruvians, the, the Peruvian director sat down with the loggers, and they were like, "Look, we own this land now. It's for conservation. We're gonna save this forest." And the loggers went, "That's fine, but can, can we still work here?" And we went, "What?" And they said, "We do this 'cause we love it." And we went, "What?" They said, "Yeah, could we just be rangers? Like, we see you have rangers. Could we be rangers?" And we were like, "Yeah, you could be rangers."

Narrator 14:35 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 14:36 "Yeah, you could be rangers." (laughs) These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love 'cause they have no other opportunity.

Narrator 14:41 Right.

Paul Rosolie 14:42 So, the fact that this is, that, that we now have this global network of people that care, the local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon, and now we have all these people all over the world, because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that they just... You know, if people would give $5, $10, $100 a month, we have this huge network of donors, and now we're able to get those wins. We see a threatened patch of forest? Boom, we grab it. Hire the loggers as rangers. Everybody wins.

Narrator 15:11 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 15:11 And we're saving forest. This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres. That's one-third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect. So, we're one-third of the way through the goal.

Narrator 15:25 Wow.

Paul Rosolie 15:26 That's all been happening in the last month and a half.

Narrator 15:29 That's incredible.

Paul Rosolie 15:30 Miracles.

Narrator 15:30 So are you, y- when you're navigating, you're not using GPS, you're just using a compass?

Paul Rosolie 15:35 Yeah.

Narrator 15:36 Why?

Paul Rosolie 15:37 Uh, commitment. (laughs)

Narrator 15:40 What? (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 15:43 (laughs) Because look, um, so I actually-

Narrator 15:44 Wouldn't you want the best tools for the job?

Paul Rosolie 15:47 I agree with you, and if you're in a really... So when we go out to really remote places, when you just cannot fuck around, yes, we do bring like a Garmin GPS and we have the map, and-

Narrator 15:55 Well that sounds like you cannot fuck around if you guys are without water for two days.

Paul Rosolie 15:59 We thought we were gonna go in the forest and go on a walk. 20 miles isn't, a 20-mile hike is nothing. We do that every day. We did not... The reason this forest hadn't been cut was because it was up and down and up and down, and denser than all the other forest, 'cause it's fucking ancient. And so we discovered it and how hard it was, and that's where I'm going, "Holy shit, we brought Lex Fridman out here."

Narrator 16:18 He's gonna die.

Paul Rosolie 16:19 And he's gonna die.

Narrator 16:20 Of dehydration.

Paul Rosolie 16:20 And he was looking at me. I mean, there were so many times during the trip where he looked at me and you could just tell, he was like, "Fuck you, dude."

Narrator 16:25 Boo.

Paul Rosolie 16:26 "Just, just fuck you, man."

Narrator 16:27 What, how do you find water? You just stumble upon it? Is that-

Paul Rosolie 16:31 I, I mean, from, from our base, you walk five minutes back into the jungle and there's a beautiful clear stream, and I, I drink straight out of the stream, no problem. Now, I wouldn't... For someone that comes to the jungle, I wouldn't say, "Just start doing that." I'd say, "Like, take a sip the first day, see how your stomach goes." I've been down there 20 years, so I'm fine. The locals-

Narrator 16:47 So, is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is?

Paul Rosolie 16:51 I mean, some people, you take them... You know, you go to Italy and they get sick, you know? But like, you know, it's like pe- people, some people-

Narrator 16:56 Fragile folk.

Paul Rosolie 16:56 Fragile folk.

Narrator 16:58 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 16:58 Um, you know, sunscreen and bug spray.

Narrator 17:00 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 17:00 Um, but we... (laughs) Somebody said that too, 'cause I, I posted a video of me, uh, drinking like monkey head soup and coffee out of a bowl.

Narrator 17:09 What? Monkey head soup?

Paul Rosolie 17:11 (laughs) We went with the locals before everybody, all the PETA people freak out. I don't care, freak out. Um, when you live with the locals, when, when in Rome...

Narrator 17:19 Right.

Paul Rosolie 17:20 ... you know, if you go to someone's house and they're local-

Narrator 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 17:22 ... they eat monkeys. And so we were on a beach and some of the local guys hunted monkeys. And so we woke up in the morning, and they heated up the food, and what we had was-

Narrator 17:31 Wow.

Paul Rosolie 17:31 ... bowl coffee, 'cause we didn't bring cups. We're on a canoe, right? You just bring, you cut your toothbrush in half-

Narrator 17:36 Right.

Paul Rosolie 17:36 ... to save weight. And so, I posted it and I was like, "Here's..." 'Cause everybody messages me going, you know, "How do I get your job?" And I was like, "Here's one reason why you fucking don't want my job and think you do."

Narrator 17:47 Monkey head soup. (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 17:47 Monkey head soup. And, uh-

Narrator 17:49 What does monkey head soup taste like?

Paul Rosolie 17:51 (laughs) Exactly what you think.

Narrator 17:54 Yeah?

Paul Rosolie 17:54 And it's, it's, uh, at the same time, it's not as bad as you think. Monkey tastes like goat.

Narrator 17:57 They prefer monkeys though, right?

Paul Rosolie 17:58 They love monkeys. Part of the conservation strategy is just like, you know, just, just like we have deer tags to make sure that there's continually deer, for local indigenous communities, they wanna keep eating monkeys.They love monkeys.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Really?

Paul Rosolie 18:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:10 So, they wanna keep the monkey population manageable? Is that the idea?

Paul Rosolie 18:15 Uh, if a-

Joe Rogan 18:15 And they want to eat 'em?

Paul Rosolie 18:16 Eventually, yes. And so, I would say it's kind of colonialist conservation to come in there and go, "Well, you can't eat monkeys, because we think you can't."

Joe Rogan 18:23 Right.

Paul Rosolie 18:23 But then, like, you go trout fishing and deer hunting. That doesn't make any sense.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Right. But it's like monkeys are too closely related to us.

Paul Rosolie 18:29 Ah.

Joe Rogan 18:30 It's like, the people that ... Uh, this is one thing that I've noticed, people that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing. Or don't get upset about a piece of fish.

Paul Rosolie 18:39 (snorts)

Joe Rogan 18:39 Like, if you put a plate of e- salmon-

Paul Rosolie 18:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... uh, you know, like, "Oh, this is my lunch today," everybody's like, "Oh, that's healthy."

Paul Rosolie 18:45 Salmon.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Yeah. But if you have a picture of a salmon, people get a little upset.

Paul Rosolie 18:50 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 18:50 But if you have, like, a p- a steak, people don't get too upset. But if you have, like, a dead deer, people get very upset.

Paul Rosolie 18:57 And forget, yeah. I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 18:58 It's very weird.

Paul Rosolie 18:59 So, I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 19:00 Disconnected.

Paul Rosolie 19:01 ... I think yesterday, sometime this week, I posted a video. We were out and I was with, again, some Machiganga Natives and we caught a yellow catfish. And their daughter, who's three, three and a half years old? Now, you're out somewhere where there's no refrigeration, you have a two-hour boat ride back, what do you do? You put the fish in the bottom of the boat with a little bit of water and you let it stay alive.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 19:20 Right? Just enough to keep its gills going until you get back. Because if you kill it as soon as you catch it, it'll go bad.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Right, it starts rotting.

Paul Rosolie 19:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 19:27 And so, this girl picked up the s- the, the, the fish and she's ... Yeah, and she's hugging it. You, the comments on this, the vegans went crazy. People were like-

Joe Rogan 19:35 Hmm.

Paul Rosolie 19:35 ... "I'm unfollowing you. That's disgusting." Th- this girl's excited 'cause she's gonna eat. She lives out in the jungle eating nothing but rice and yucca. Like, if she didn't get that fish, she's gonna get malnutrition.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Yeah, well people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're just so, they're so delusional about where your food comes from. It's a, it's a fascinating thing. And, and vegans are probably the worst at it, because if they really, if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified. They'd be horrified at industrial pre-

Paul Rosolie 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... pesticides and herbicides and all, all the shit that we put in the soil. And how, you know, how many small animals get murdered in the process? It's, eh ...

Paul Rosolie 20:16 Well, you gotta clear space for a farm, right?

Joe Rogan 20:17 Oh, you, you not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and, and anything that's in the way.

Paul Rosolie 20:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:23 Anything that's gonna eat your crops.

Paul Rosolie 20:26 Well, in the j- in the jungle, that's what they're doing. They're ... All this burning, all this Amazon fires shit that goes on-

Joe Rogan 20:31 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 20:32 ... is, every year is people coming in, and 60% of it is for beef. But the other percent of it is for papaya and corn and cacao. I see a lot of stuff where they're like, "Oh, sustainable cacao from the Amazon." I'm like-

Joe Rogan 20:44 Mm.

Paul Rosolie 20:45 ... how is it sustainable cacao from the Amazon?

Joe Rogan 20:47 Right.

Paul Rosolie 20:47 You cut down an ecosystem and trees that have mili- ... Thousands of species living on them.

Joe Rogan 20:51 Right.

Paul Rosolie 20:52 It's not. And so-

Joe Rogan 20:52 Not sustainable.

Paul Rosolie 20:53 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 20:53 Sustainable's one of those words, like organic, people like to throw it around.

Paul Rosolie 20:56 Just slap it on the package.

Joe Rogan 20:57 I mean, that's like, uh, that, that Apeel stuff, they call that organic.

Paul Rosolie 21:01 Oh, that is?

Joe Rogan 21:02 You know what that is?

Paul Rosolie 21:02 No.

Joe Rogan 21:03 It's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it from going bad.

Paul Rosolie 21:08 The wax?

Joe Rogan 21:09 Well, it's some weird sup- ... What, uh, what's the ingredients of Apeel? See, like, part of it is, uh, quote-unquote, "organic," but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are. Apeel is a plant-based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer. Seems normal, right? Like, "Yeah. It's plant-based." But what's in there? It's, uh, commonly found in organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water.

Paul Rosolie 21:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Like, we were reading that if you have an avocado, what ... So, s- so we were in, uh, Elk Camp and we were reading about this stuff.

Paul Rosolie 21:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:46 'Cause we had, uh, Starlink. Starlink is fucking amazing.

Paul Rosolie 21:49 That's how we do it.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Uh, dude, it's as ... It's like the size of this, uh, cigar box.

Paul Rosolie 21:53 I know.

Joe Rogan 21:53 And you put it down on the ground and you get fucking high-speed internet-

Paul Rosolie 21:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 ... in the middle of nowhere. Um, so we were reading that ... They were saying that to, uh, take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off. Like, what are you talking ab- ... What's in this stuff?

Paul Rosolie 22:09 Also, nobody knows that. I don't know that.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Right, of course.

Paul Rosolie 22:12 So, I come up here, I'm eating that shit?

Joe Rogan 22:13 Exactly.

Paul Rosolie 22:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 Most people are just gonna eat the apple.

Paul Rosolie 22:16 No, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 22:16 They're not gonna wash it off with soap and water. But the thing is, like, they're saying it's plant-based and organic. Like, that's the, that's the thing, like, sustainable. These words that people use that make you feel okay-

Paul Rosolie 22:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:26 ... about what's going on. But I mean, I don't even know what the fuck is in there.

Guest 22:30 This one says, "Use a brush to scrub."

Joe Rogan 22:32 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 22:32 A brush?

Guest 22:33 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 22:33 Scrub it? So, you scrub your apples?

Guest 22:35 It's a, it's a TikTok video. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 22:36 What, what the fuck are you talking about?

Guest 22:38 Uh.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Why are you putting something on the apple that I need to scrub?

Guest 22:40 No, this says only, you can only remove it 100% by peeling it off.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Oh, my God.

Guest 22:44 But I don't know, that's why I'm checking the video.

Paul Rosolie 22:45 Of an, of an apple?

Joe Rogan 22:46 'Cause-

Paul Rosolie 22:46 'Cause apples, like, you wanna eat the skin.

Joe Rogan 22:48 Click on that, "How to wash, remove Apeel coating, vegetable coating."

Guest 22:53 Here, let's see. TikTok video, it's gonna be interesting.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Let's see if we can watch a video that'll show us how to do it.

Guest 22:56 That's gonna go everywhere.

Joe Rogan 22:57 (laughs)

Guest 22:57 Let's see, which one do you wanna pick?

Joe Rogan 22:59 Uh, let's go with the first one, that lady, she's-

Guest 23:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:01 So, she's peeling it.

Guest 23:03 She's peeling it, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 23:05 Why do you peel produce? But isn't a lot of the nutrients in the skin-

Joe Rogan 23:08 See next slide, wax and peel. So, this is different though. This is wax.

Guest 23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 This is, uh, that's carnuba wax. That's, like, normal. But Apeel is a new product. And it's one of those ... Yeah, okay, let's see what this lady has to talk ... Let's talk about Apeel. I don't like her earrings.

Guest 23:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:26 But let's listen to her.

Narrator 23:27 ... and reduce the use of plastic. This compound uses plant material to make monoglycerides and diglycerides, AKA fats, a fat coating on fruits and vegetables. The intent, less plastic, amazing. Longer shelf life, fabulous.

Joe Rogan 23:44 Fabulous.

Narrator 23:44 But it costs human cost.

Joe Rogan 23:46 It what? Human cost?

Narrator 23:47 These fats are extracted from plants using ethyl acetate and heptane.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Ooh.

Narrator 23:53 In the chemical process to make these fats, they add ingredients that contain heavy metals.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Oh, great.

Narrator 23:59 Not all fats that come from plants are safe for human consumption. Generally speaking, olive oil comes from plants and it's healthy. Canola oil, rapeseed oil, cotton seed oil are fats that come from plants, but not healthy. They cause a lot of inflammation.It all depends on how the fats were extracted and how the chemical compound was created. At this time, there's no human trials to show what happens to humans who consume fruits and vegetables with a peel on them on a regular basis.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Oh, great.

Paul Rosolie 24:29 Keep going? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah. Why would there be human trials on something that people eat and it's all over supermarkets?

Paul Rosolie 24:34 But there's a lot of stuff coming out right now about the safety of our food.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 24:38 I keep hearing about this.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 24:39 It keeps kind of showing up.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Yeah. Well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that, uh, Brigham Buehler, who was on yesterday, uh, he was talking about it, you know, in front of all these representatives. And they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's... Most of these European countries and Canada, there's a lot of ingredients that, particularly dyes, that we use. Like, you know, he, he was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, uh, you can't sell it in Canada. They have to sell a completely different Lucky Charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes, because they're toxic.

Paul Rosolie 25:14 Oh, this is the super bright color thing.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 25:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Those are toxic dyes and we allow them-

Paul Rosolie 25:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:19 ... because we want people to... And there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive. Those are in our food supplies and some of them are illegal in other countries. It's not good. And there's... It, it seems like... The way he was describing it, it's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed.

Paul Rosolie 25:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:36 And they, they, you know, and then there's companies that are just pushing this stuff through. And it's, it's kind of like, the way we described it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house. Like, how do you clean this up? Like, you get into a hoarder's house, you're like, "Oh, God."

Paul Rosolie 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 "Where do we, where do we fucking start?" That's what our-

Paul Rosolie 25:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... food system's like. Our food system's like a hoarder's house.

Paul Rosolie 25:55 Well, I heard that guy, I don't remember his name. There's... He was like a... He's a venture capitalist. In the last week, um, you guys were talking about, um... He was saying that, like, when he travels abroad, he can eat whatever he wants and then when he comes back to the US, he puts on weight.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yes.

Paul Rosolie 26:08 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 26:09 That was Chamath.

Paul Rosolie 26:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 26:10 That was a great one. He was, he was incredibly intelligent and, and then I was looking up something. Something else popped up where they were saying that the bread in, in like Subway sandwiches is considered cake in Europe.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 26:22 Because of the sugar content.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Yeah. Some countries consider it cake 'cause it's, it's mostly (laughs) ... It's like... It's fucking cake.

Paul Rosolie 26:27 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 26:28 It's not really... It's bullshit.

Paul Rosolie 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:30 We have bullshit food. And, you know, I don't eat most of that stuff, but if you do, you're gonna be really unhealthy. And most people aren't educated. You know, it took me a long time to understand this stuff and mostly through... I mean, I tried to eat healthy before that, but mostly through the podcast and talking to people, getting an understanding of how bad this stuff really is for you, and then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt.

Paul Rosolie 26:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:53 And seeing my friends who don't do it and, and they just look like hell.

Paul Rosolie 26:58 And you're mostly carnivore now?

Joe Rogan 26:59 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 27:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Mostly fruits and, um-

Paul Rosolie 27:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 27:02 ... mostly meat and fruits. Yeah. I mean, I, I hardly eat any vegetables at all, but I don't avoid them.

Paul Rosolie 27:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Like if I want... If I go out to dinner and I wanna have a Caesar salad or something, I'll eat it. It doesn't seem to bother me. But what does seem to bother me is pasta. Pasta and breads really hit home. They, they really wreck me. But not in Europe.

Paul Rosolie 27:20 Not in Europe.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Um, went to Italy last summer. Had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all.

Paul Rosolie 27:25 But wh-... I don't understand why, why-

Joe Rogan 27:27 There's a bunch of things that we do. Uh, R- Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained a lot of it, so did Gary Brecka, he explained a lot of it. One of them is, uh, enriched flour. What's co-... So-called enriched flour contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting. It's also, they use heirloom wheat in, in Italy.

Paul Rosolie 27:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:47 And heirloom wheat is the original wheat.

Paul Rosolie 27:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:50 What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it. So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.

Paul Rosolie 28:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:03 And then on top of that, the big one may be... This is a lot... There's a lot of speculation about this, but there's, there's some serious evidence that most people who eat the common American diet, uh, it's... What was it, the number of the people that had Roundup in their system? So glyphosate-

Paul Rosolie 28:18 What?

Joe Rogan 28:18 Yeah. Glyphosate is a, uh, a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants. And I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system.

Paul Rosolie 28:33 Roundup.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Yeah. Roundup in their blood.

Paul Rosolie 28:34 So stuff you spray to just kill everything.

Joe Rogan 28:35 Exactly.

Paul Rosolie 28:36 Great.

Joe Rogan 28:36 And it's illegal in some countries, and should be illegal in America. But the problem is if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies gonna function?

Paul Rosolie 28:44 It's 80%.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Okay, it's 80%.

Paul Rosolie 28:45 It's 87% of children.

Narrator 28:47 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 28:47 87% of children. So this is 2022. Uh, I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine. That is so crazy. That's so dangerous.

Paul Rosolie 28:59 That's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 29:00 And it's also fairly new in terms of human history. I mean, I think Roundup has only been around since the... Is it the '90s? When did Roundup... When did glyphosate start becoming ubiquitous on, on crops? It's fucking dangerous, man, 'cause we're rolling the dice. A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.

Paul Rosolie 29:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:24 And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening. Oh, so '74 Roundup, which contains active ingredients glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in '74. So like... So scroll down so we can see like when it like ramps up. So '74... Okay, wasn't widely used until '96. That's what I s- I read. So Monsanto begins se- selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup. This allowed farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crop. It's an herbicide, right? Yeah. Okay. Not a pesticide, an herbicide. But it's fucking terrible for you. Terrible. And 80% of people have it in their blood.

Paul Rosolie 30:11 Roundup, microplastics, DDT.

Joe Rogan 30:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 30:14 And then in the... And then what was it? I think it was during the Gold Rush times that everybody was using lead to, to, to-... replug cans after they opened them and then, you know-

Joe Rogan 30:22 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 30:22 ... thousands of people died from lead poisoning before they figured it out.

Joe Rogan 30:25 Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington. That George Washington's dentures were made out of lead.

Paul Rosolie 30:30 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 30:31 And that's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho. (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 30:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:34 Yeah, like lead poisoning.

Paul Rosolie 30:35 He wasn't brave. He was just insane.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Um, I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find, like in, most men have, uh, plastic in their sperm, plastic in their, their testicles. You have plastic in your brain. And a lot of that plastic is, uh, the plastic that's derived from PVC, so it's coming from water pipes.

Paul Rosolie 30:56 I thought our water pipes were metal.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Some water pipes are metal. But, uh, when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes.

Paul Rosolie 31:05 Yeah, see, this, this is-

Joe Rogan 31:06 A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff.

Paul Rosolie 31:08 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 31:08 So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic. And that little, those little particles of plastic, you know, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap, all that stuff is getting you plastic. And then there's cooking in microwave, you know, if you have, like, one of those things you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid. And you cook, microwave with that and it's in a plastic bowl, that's all fucking getting into your body. That's all getting in your blood.

Paul Rosolie 31:35 (laughs) yeah. Well, I, I scared myself with that because we had plastic cups on an expedition and we boiled coffee and then I poured it into the plastic cup and I was like, "Ugh." I was like, "We gotta stop doing this." So we started bringing-

Joe Rogan 31:44 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 31:44 ... like, metal and glass cups on-

Joe Rogan 31:46 Well they-

Paul Rosolie 31:46 ... on expeditions.

Joe Rogan 31:47 Yeah, obviously they make stuff for campers that you can get and, you know, and that's why we switched to these, um, steel-

Paul Rosolie 31:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:52 ... cups here. We s- we used to just go through so many bottles of water. I was like, "This is fucked." So we-

Paul Rosolie 31:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:57 ... we bought a filtration system and, you know, and, and started using steel cups. But it's like, our, this whole thing in America... One of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again Movement-

Paul Rosolie 32:10 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:11 ... which is Robert Kennedy Jr., and, uh, a bunch of other folks that are involved in this. And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they all concerned about (breathes deeply) all the different chemicals that are in your fucking food. But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology. So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people. And it's just-

Paul Rosolie 32:33 You're worried about food safety?

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yeah, it's nuts, man. But it, it's just because it's attached to Trump. It's because the Trump administration, you know, Make America Great Again and also Make America Healthy Again with Robert Kennedy Jr., he's involved in that. So people are just labeling that-

Paul Rosolie 32:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:48 ... as some sort of alt-right fuckery and c- woo-woo bullshit, and it's not. It's fucking dangerous for all of us.

Paul Rosolie 32:55 But it-

Joe Rogan 32:55 We really need to wake up.

Paul Rosolie 32:56 Isn't it also true, though, that, that in America at least, like, the poorest people are usually the ones with the worst diets?

Joe Rogan 33:03 Absolutely.

Paul Rosolie 33:03 So I mean, like, you, like, you've naturally progressed towards going, "Okay, so I eat elk and I eat vegetables and I care about where I get my stuff from." But people that aren't able to make that decision-

Joe Rogan 33:12 Sure.

Paul Rosolie 33:12 That would seem to me... There's cer- certain things where you go, "Shouldn't we all agree on this?"

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 33:18 You know, food safety. Shouldn't we just all agree with this? I don't understand-

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yeah, it shouldn't be political at all.

Paul Rosolie 33:22 ... how that becomes political. When it comes to nature conservation, I never understood how that, you know, might... We, we need clean rivers.

Joe Rogan 33:28 All these things can be solved. And this is what's fucked. It's like e- we have so much money to solve other countries' problems and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems. That's very strange. It's, it's very shortsighted and very bizarre, and we need to do something about it. We n- we need to do something about it now. It's just, it's, it's really scary when you think about that this, if this unchecked happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable, as long as they're not penalized for it.

Paul Rosolie 33:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:57 And I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are impo- they probably don't eat any of that shit.

Paul Rosolie 34:03 Well, it's like Steve Jobs. The... I don't know if it's true-

Joe Rogan 34:05 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 34:05 But I heard that Steve Jobs wouldn't give his kids-

Joe Rogan 34:07 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 34:07 ... screens.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Yeah. (laughs) It's-

Paul Rosolie 34:09 The- they, they know.

Joe Rogan 34:10 (laughs) People, you go to restaurants you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation. The kid's just, like, hypnotized-

Paul Rosolie 34:18 Dude, kids are-

Joe Rogan 34:18 ... by some fucking cartoon.

Paul Rosolie 34:20 Kids are swiping before they're talking.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 34:21 They know this motion.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 34:23 They got that finger out.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Yeah, they try to do it to magazines. You ever see the little kid try to do that?

Paul Rosolie 34:27 I, yo, I saw a kid try to expand a magazine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:32 (laughs) I think I did that once.

Paul Rosolie 34:33 I was just hanging out with a baby and I was like, "Look at this picture." And I was showing him a book and he put his hands on it and he went, "What?" And I was like, "No, it doesn't work like that."

Joe Rogan 34:39 I went, I think I almost did that once. I, I think I looked at a magazine and I, I brought my hand up, "What the fuck are you doing?" (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 34:46 Yeah, my thing is, uh, the worst thing that I've done recently is I didn't have... I, you know, I start doing activities without my phone on me. And I, like, I went for a run and I saw something cool and I was like, "Oh, I need to take a picture of that." And I was like, "How?" It just... I, the, the idea that I couldn't take a picture of something-

Joe Rogan 35:02 Right.

Paul Rosolie 35:03 ... had become something that I forgot about.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Right.

Paul Rosolie 35:05 I take a picture of everything.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 35:06 I probably take 400 pictures a day. I'm like, "I like that logo." Bang. "I like that street." Bang. Like...

Joe Rogan 35:10 It's cool to be able to do it. But now we're also inundated with images all over the world.

Paul Rosolie 35:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 And a lot of them are horrific events, which is the things that people-

Paul Rosolie 35:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:22 ... are trying to capture the most. So it's like, every day, you're like, "What? What's going on today?" Like, there's, right now Iran is bombing Israel, so there's missiles... Do you know about this?

Paul Rosolie 35:33 Nope.

Joe Rogan 35:34 It's fucking terrifying, dude. It's on like Donkey Kong right now. Ir- run... See if you can get some of the footage. Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at, at Israel. And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well. So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel. Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies-

Paul Rosolie 36:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:00 ... and killed a bunch of people. And then shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon. And it's all getting, it's all getting very, very scary. It's all ramping up in a, a fucking terrifying way. But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, you know, Israel's famous, uh, missile defense system, it doesn't seem to be catching all of them. I mean, if you have enough launched your way at the same time-

Paul Rosolie 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:23 ... some of them are gonna sneak through. So this is, this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. These are all missiles, man, flying...... at Israel.

Paul Rosolie 36:33 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Yeah, it's fucking terrifying.

Paul Rosolie 36:36 And the Iron Dome, I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:38 This isn't even the best video. The video that I was seeing was of them impacting.

Paul Rosolie 36:43 And, and th- the Iron Dome is basically a, a system to shoot them out of the sky?

Joe Rogan 36:46 Yes. So, this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So, when they blow up-

Paul Rosolie 36:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:51 ... that's the Iron Dome. So, what it is, is they find the trajectory of these missiles. The ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through, 'cause it's not gonna harm anything, and then, like those-

Paul Rosolie 37:02 Boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 37:02 ... those are heading down. But the ones-

Paul Rosolie 37:04 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 37:04 ... that are going into the city area, they shoot down. And, you know, I'm, I don't know how many missiles they have to do this. I, I mean, you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby, 'cause if they just launch enough at you, you're not gonna have enough missiles. It's like-

Guest 37:21 They said they launched 180 ballistic missiles.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Wow. You imagine being in a city-

Guest 37:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... and you see 180 missiles coming at you?

Paul Rosolie 37:29 I don't know how people live continuously in areas where there's war zones. Like, I know, like my friend Matt Gutman from ABC News, like, he works there, and I've seen him running through the streets and doing that hard-hitting stuff, but there's also just people getting their groceries.

Joe Rogan 37:43 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 37:43 And they're like, "Yeah, man, this happens every day." Like, I have friends that live in Israel.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Human beings are very adaptable, unfortunately. Well, fortunately, 'cause that's why we're still here-

Paul Rosolie 37:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... but, uh, unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions, and that's, that's what people are accustomed to. I mean, imagine living in Gaza. Imagine that.

Paul Rosolie 38:00 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:00 You, you were living in a place where, literally a year ago today, it was fine. It was, it was normal.

Paul Rosolie 38:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:08 And then now, it's rubble, and there's tens of thousands of people dead.

Paul Rosolie 38:12 And that's an example of what you were saying about seeing these images all the time. I had t- I remember when that popped off, and I'm a big believer in ... you, you pick one thing that y- for most people, unless you're, you know, Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on. But for most of us, you gotta live your life, and you gotta pick one thing that you can help. For a lot of people, that's their, that's your family. For me, I've dedicated myself to protecting the Amazon. When it comes to everything else, like, when I start opening my phone, I remember this. I was at my friend's house, and it was seven o'clock in the morning, and I open my phone, and it was a picture of a guy lifting his dead baby-

Joe Rogan 38:47 Man.

Paul Rosolie 38:47 ... with a crushed skull. And I threw my phone across the room, and it ruined my whole day.

Joe Rogan 38:53 (sighs)

Paul Rosolie 38:53 And how d- like, I, I ... it's, it's absolutely horrific, and I, I have becom- become a person that really shields myself from a lot of what's going on because the hysteria levels right now.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 39:08 I don't think, like even World War II times, it'd be like, "Okay, Pearl Harbor just hit off," and people were like, "Wow, this is crazy." But, but I don't think you were inundated with it all day long. You read the newspaper. You talked to a few people, and then you're like, "All right. Well, cool. I gotta go get Johnny from school," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Right. You didn't see it on your phone 24/7 all day long.

Paul Rosolie 39:24 All day long. And it's not ... Israel's popping off, the south is getting flooded, you know, the Amazon's burning. Everything is happening all at once, and it's all coming through on the screen.

Joe Rogan 39:32 So, this says, "Iran launches missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported." So, I guess that, that was the thing they were saying that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's gonna go to an open area, where there's no one there, they, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that. "A US defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Isr- Israel." So, we're over there, too, doing that? "The IDF is doing, and will do, everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel, the Israeli military said in a statement, warning people in the country to stay in shelters. The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles. The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time." So, what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of, uh, mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this, which is really scary. Um, you know, it's like, what they experienced on October 7th ... Okay, fucking ads. "At least eight dead in suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv." So, they even ... oh, so, Jesus Christ. Scroll down to that image. So some dude's just-

Paul Rosolie 40:44 Yo.

Joe Rogan 40:44 ... just gunning people down.

Paul Rosolie 40:48 Yo.

Joe Rogan 40:48 (deep exhale) Scrol- uh, "Deadly ordeal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in the central Israeli city of Jaffa, Jaffa, and started firing at just 7:00 PM local, just after 7:00 PM local time, according to authorities. Eight killed, at least seven wounded." And, you know, a lot of people... Look at that. That guy's dead right there. A lot of people there are armed too, which is fucking crazy.

Paul Rosolie 41:12 Civilians?

Joe Rogan 41:13 Yeah. Oh, my God.

Paul Rosolie 41:13 Just walking around, just in case?

Joe Rogan 41:15 You ever see s- g- hot girls in, in, in Israel?

Paul Rosolie 41:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:18 Like, you can see them at, at a coffee shop with a fucking-

Paul Rosolie 41:21 No.

Joe Rogan 41:21 ... with an AR-

Paul Rosolie 41:22 Really?

Joe Rogan 41:22 ... hanging off a rifle sling. Yeah. There's like a va- a bunch of videos of them, 'cause-

Paul Rosolie 41:27 How many?

Joe Rogan 41:27 ... so many of these people-

Paul Rosolie 41:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:28 You have mandatory military service in Israel.

Paul Rosolie 41:30 Yeah, that I know.

Joe Rogan 41:31 So, all the civilians have to ... Th- there's no civilians. Like, everyone is at least a former soldier.

Paul Rosolie 41:36 But you gotta be ready, right?

Joe Rogan 41:37 Yeah, you have to be. Look at these-

Paul Rosolie 41:38 If I saw shit like that in the sky-

Joe Rogan 41:39 ... look at these hot girls walking on the street with machine guns.

Paul Rosolie 41:41 Hot girls with machine guns.

Joe Rogan 41:42 How nuts? But that's just the world they live in. It's like-

Paul Rosolie 41:46 No, and then they're just hanging out.

Joe Rogan 41:47 Yup.

Paul Rosolie 41:48 There's a baby.

Joe Rogan 41:48 Right. I mean, look, she has, like, cute shoes on (laughs) . It's like-

Paul Rosolie 41:51 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:51 ... at any moment, it could pop off, and so they don't fuck around. They just stay strapped, and they don't just stay strapped. They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war.

Paul Rosolie 42:01 But those are, those are no joke. Yeah, those-

Joe Rogan 42:02 Yeah, those are no joke.

Paul Rosolie 42:03 That ain't a six-shooter.

Joe Rogan 42:04 Yeah. No, she's got a, a gigantic magazine. She's probably got spare magazines. Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it.

Paul Rosolie 42:09 I was gonna say-

Joe Rogan 42:09 She was in the military.

Paul Rosolie 42:10 Do you think she knows how to use it?

Joe Rogan 42:11 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 42:11 So, it's men and women? Men in the service?

Joe Rogan 42:12 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 42:13 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Yeah, women have to join the Israeli military as well. Look, they're surrounded. I mean, this is-

Paul Rosolie 42:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:19 This is something that's very different. It's very different than, uh, us.

Paul Rosolie 42:23 Well, I think that one of the problems that I see with us is I think that people have forgotten ... Like, I grew up with the World War II generation. All the, all my old uncles that I was growing up, "Ole," like, you know, these were guys-

Joe Rogan 42:33 Right.

Paul Rosolie 42:33 ... that had, you know, either stormed beaches in the South Pacific or were in Europe.And so World War II was fresh on their minds. It was part of the culture I grew up in. And I think when I look at kids born, you know, 9/11 and down, or later, I- I think we've forgotten the fact that safety is a huge privilege.

Joe Rogan 42:54 Oh, yeah.

Paul Rosolie 42:54 We grow up safe. Like, the, some of the people, the things that they're screaming about or worried about or whatever else, it's like, some unity would happen from remembering the fact that, that that's, that's a reality. That we could be in danger.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Well, we've had so few attacks on American soil, you know? You have Pearl Harbor-

Paul Rosolie 43:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:09 ... which is kind of America.

Paul Rosolie 43:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:11 You know, Hawaii should be its own country. I mean, it's kind of fucked that-

Paul Rosolie 43:14 It doesn't feel like it.

Joe Rogan 43:15 ... we own Hawaii. Uh, I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States, but it's kinda crazy that it's five mile, five hours rather, by airplane over the ocean-

Paul Rosolie 43:25 In the middle. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 ... until you get to Hawaii, and that's considered America. But I mean, I don't know-

Paul Rosolie 43:30 2011.

Joe Rogan 43:30 ... how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty. Um, but the, the point is, like, that was World War II, so that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil. What's, uh, what's after that? It's 9/11.

Paul Rosolie 43:44 9/11.

Joe Rogan 43:44 That's crazy. Like, we are so used to being safe. Whereas, you think of even Russia, what Russia went through, the, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific.

Paul Rosolie 43:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:59 And they've done that throughout history. There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia. Now you go into any other part of the world... I saw something terrible today. Some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China, they didn't wanna go the long way around the wall, so they broke down a section-

Paul Rosolie 44:19 Stop.

Joe Rogan 44:19 ... of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it.

Paul Rosolie 44:23 Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgehammers, or-

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah. Yeah, they were doing fucking construction work out there, so they just broke down-

Paul Rosolie 44:30 Jail.

Joe Rogan 44:30 ... the Great Wall.

Paul Rosolie 44:31 Jail.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Oh, they're gonna get worse than jail in China.

Paul Rosolie 44:34 Jail. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 They're gonna turn you into a fucking suitcase.

Paul Rosolie 44:39 I mean, that's terrible. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:39 (laughs) You know, they'll fucking-

Paul Rosolie 44:40 That's terrible.

Joe Rogan 44:41 They'll make you make iPhones for 20 years, and then they're gonna turn you into a jacket.

Paul Rosolie 44:44 (laughs) That's terrible.

Joe Rogan 44:46 It's fucking horrible, man. It's, and it's, it's-

Paul Rosolie 44:48 I mean ...

Joe Rogan 44:49 People are just so gross. Like, imagine th- that mahogany tree that you saw. Like, look at these assholes. They broke through the Great Wall.

Paul Rosolie 44:56 Look at this. Oh, come on.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the Great Wall. Monsters.

Paul Rosolie 45:01 Dude, dude, this reminds me, there was a, there was, this, I hated this story, there was a beautiful tree between these two hills, I think it was in the UK or Ireland. I think it was the UK. And like a 16-year-old went out with a chainsaw and just cut this tree down. It was this iconic tree. And no one could figure it out-

Joe Rogan 45:15 Ugh.

Paul Rosolie 45:15 ... for like two days. And he just went and cut it down. It's just like, man, just-

Joe Rogan 45:19 Yeah, people are gross.

Paul Rosolie 45:21 ... just stop it.

Joe Rogan 45:21 People are gross, and, uh, we all, people are also very short-sighted, and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing. They just do things, you know?

Paul Rosolie 45:30 I, I, I normally I would agree with you. I just think, I think the world that I've been living in the, the past year, so m- I've been in, in rooms and out in the wild with so many incredible people, and I think that more than ever, people, I, I agree, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're moments away from disaster in any given capacity, but there's also, we're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Yeah, I think so too.

Paul Rosolie 45:56 Right?

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yeah, I think there's just, you're gonna get everything, right? You're gonna get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel. You're gonna get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees. And then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest.

Paul Rosolie 46:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 It's one of the cool things about people, 'cause it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting, because it's rare. And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people. I think, and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true, you need evil to appreciate good. You need hate to appreciate love.

Paul Rosolie 46:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:35 It's just a part of the way the human mind and our, s- our just overall psychology and just the way we operate in the world. It's unfortunate, but it's, it's a part of being a person. And I think hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and, and progress, and doing things correct- and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way. It, it, like organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agriculture farms is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal, the waste that it produces in river systems. It's fucking insane. There's a guy that we've had on, his name is, uh, Will Harris, and Will is from, uh, this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm. He got this farm, it's a family-owned farm. They've had it forever, and it took him years-

Paul Rosolie 47:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:36 ... to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture. But there's a section of the river near his property where his property line meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm, and he has regenerative agriculture. And you can see it in the river, there's a clear line of differentiation. Look at that.

Paul Rosolie 48:01 I'm guessing his is the clear one?

Joe Rogan 48:02 Yes.

Paul Rosolie 48:03 Shit.

Joe Rogan 48:03 All that stuff, so most of these farmlands-

Paul Rosolie 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 ... the topsoil-

Paul Rosolie 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 ... is gone.

Paul Rosolie 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 There's no- There's- Whoa. Jesus.

Paul Rosolie 48:11 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 48:11 There's no minerals, there's no-

Paul Rosolie 48:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:13 ... nutrients, there's no nothing. And so you have to use industrial-strength fertilizers.

Paul Rosolie 48:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 You have to use all this g- garbage and bullshit, and so that stuff, it just sits on the top, and so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops, the runoff goes right in the river.

Paul Rosolie 48:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 48:34 So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit, and then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying.

Paul Rosolie 48:44 And this guy is trying to turn it around? He's trying to do the right thing?

Joe Rogan 48:48 That's, I, I, that's not Will.

Paul Rosolie 48:48 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:49 I don't know who that gentleman is. I think he works with Will.... um, but he's explaining, uh, how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So, the left is what the creek's supposed to look like.

Paul Rosolie 49:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:01 The right is what happens, and no consequences. Y- you should be in trouble for this, right? If you, like, "Hey, you can't run your farm this way." Like, "Is this what happens when you run your farm this way? Stop the farm. Okay, we gotta figure out how to do this the right way." Is there a way to y- for your water to look like the water's six inches away?

Paul Rosolie 49:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Is there a way? Well, that's the only way you can make farming. So, in Russia-

Paul Rosolie 49:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:22 ... organic, uh, l- like, y- they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore.

Paul Rosolie 49:27 Really?

Joe Rogan 49:27 No, no. Putin is like, "This is bullshit."

Paul Rosolie 49:30 I think in that regard.

Joe Rogan 49:30 Like, "Wh- this, this should be illegal."

Paul Rosolie 49:32 But-

Joe Rogan 49:32 When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that.

Paul Rosolie 49:34 (laughs) But, but that, but that's a, that's a fundamental thing, you know. If you go to, to a building with a sledgehammer or to the Great Wall of China and you start messing with it, you're gonna get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Yes.

Paul Rosolie 49:44 And it seems like you can cut down forests-

Joe Rogan 49:47 Yep.

Paul Rosolie 49:47 ... pollute the rivers, dump shit in the ocean, and for the most part, it's okay.

Joe Rogan 49:52 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 49:52 No one's really gonna come after you.

Joe Rogan 49:53 And we can do a lot less of that too if we, uh, th- here's, there's another, uh, another issue, commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Paper ... Like, let's Google, in America, how many, uh, acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So, the demonization of, uh, the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad.

Paul Rosolie 50:27 It wasn't that the drug, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:27 No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years.

Paul Rosolie 50:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:31 It's g- one of the safest drugs in terms of, like, risk profile. The LD50 of marijuana is nuts. You, you'd li-

Paul Rosolie 50:38 What, what's the LD50?

Joe Rogan 50:39 LD50 is lethal dose at 50%.

Paul Rosolie 50:42 Is that, say, can you-

Joe Rogan 50:43 So, f-

Paul Rosolie 50:43 ... lethal dose yourself with the marijuana?

Joe Rogan 50:45 (laughs) I used to have a joke about it, like, the only way d- the only way you die from marijuana is if, uh, they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plane-

Paul Rosolie 50:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:52 ... and it hits you in the head. Like, you can do stupid things that could wind up-

Paul Rosolie 50:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 50:56 ... getting killed. You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abused marijuana. And by the way, I wanna say, marijuana's not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not. There's certain people-

Paul Rosolie 51:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... that have a tendency towards schizophrenia, and high-dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people.

Paul Rosolie 51:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:12 Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children, and, and I agree with him. I've m- I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper. This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. US uses approximately 68 million trees each year-

Paul Rosolie 51:32 Sure.

Joe Rogan 51:32 ... to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy. Crazy.

Paul Rosolie 51:45 And you're saying hemp could grow fast, so like, kinda like bamboo-

Joe Rogan 51:48 Not, not onl- it's-

Paul Rosolie 51:48 ... it could grow faster.

Joe Rogan 51:49 That's actually renewable.

Paul Rosolie 51:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:52 Like, that term that people like to throw around, renewable.

Paul Rosolie 51:54 It's actually renewable. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:55 That's actually renewable. It grows like a weed because it kinda is a weed. My friend, Todd, uh, used to have a, a l- a, like a stalk of a mature hemp plant-

Paul Rosolie 52:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:06 ... on his desk, and it's about this thick around.

Paul Rosolie 52:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Like, if that was a piece of oak-

Paul Rosolie 52:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:11 ... it would be really heavy. But it's hard like this table, which is oak.

Paul Rosolie 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:15 But it's light-

Paul Rosolie 52:15 A hemp plant.

Joe Rogan 52:16 ... like styrofoam. It's light-

Paul Rosolie 52:18 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 52:18 ... like balsa wood.

Paul Rosolie 52:19 Like balsa, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:19 But it's hard.

Paul Rosolie 52:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:20 So, it has incredible power, like in its fibers. Its fibers are extremely unusual, so they make the most durable clothing, like canvas.

Paul Rosolie 52:31 And th-

Joe Rogan 52:31 The word canvas comes from cannabis.

Paul Rosolie 52:34 But is this weed itself, like-

Joe Rogan 52:35 No.

Paul Rosolie 52:35 ... like if you have, like, a weed plant? It's not the same thing?

Joe Rogan 52:37 No. Well, you can. It's the same thing.

Paul Rosolie 52:39 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:39 But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all.

Paul Rosolie 52:44 It's just a s- a similar-

Joe Rogan 52:45 Exactly.

Paul Rosolie 52:45 ... same, same family. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:46 So, they weren't, they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption. They were growing it to make paper. See, this is what happened. I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road.

Paul Rosolie 52:58 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 52:59 What happened is in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator. And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly. So, when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin-

Paul Rosolie 53:14 Cotton gin.

Joe Rogan 53:14 ... now, all of a sudden, cotton became a very easy cloth to use and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right? Well, what they used to use was hemp because hemp is way more durable.

Paul Rosolie 53:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:27 I mean, c- crazy difference. Like, I have a hemp jujitsuki made by Datsusara, and you can't rip this motherfucker.

Paul Rosolie 53:35 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Like, you grab it, and I've had, I've had one, one of my kis is, like, eight years old. But if I have a cotton gi, eight years in, that shit's torn apart.

Paul Rosolie 53:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:45 So, the only thing that goes on those things are the threads. And, you know, I don't even, I guess you could make hemp threads. I don't even know if they do. But the, the point is, it's, like, far more durable. As a paper, it's a far superior paper, far superior. Like, it's much tougher. It's tough to r- like, I've had p- hemp paper-

Paul Rosolie 54:02 Mm.

Joe Rogan 54:02 ... demonstrated to me. Like, it's hard to rip, man.

Paul Rosolie 54:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:05 Crazy. It's weird. It's a fucking alien plant. It really is. And when they invented this decorticator, well, William Randolph Hearst, who also owned Hearst Publications, who also owned paper mills-

Paul Rosolie 54:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:19 ... and Scientific America had, on the cover of their magazine, "Hemp, the New Billion-Dollar Crop," and it was show- showed a decorticator to them. It was all when they invented this thing. So, the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding, DuPont came out with a chemical composition for nylon. There was all, like, they were gonna use nylon for ropes. Hemp was what they always used for ropes. Hemp's what they use for sails. So, that's a decorticator. That looks like a modern one.

Paul Rosolie 54:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... um-

Paul Rosolie 54:46 It doesn't look too complicated either.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Well, it's, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it and it grinds the shit out of the hemp.

Paul Rosolie 54:54 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:54 And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor. So slave labor and, you know, w- poor people would have to do all this incredibly backbreaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable. Well, then they invented this machine, and once this machine got rolling, they're like, "Oh, shit. Let's start using hemp because it's way better."

Paul Rosolie 55:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:15 So all this forest cutting down shit-

Paul Rosolie 55:18 Doesn't need to be happening.

Joe Rogan 55:19 ... is completely unnecessary.

Paul Rosolie 55:21 And it's because a paper guy wanted it.

Joe Rogan 55:23 100%. And a paper guy in the 1930s. And so he got together with Harry Anslinger and they utilized all these people that they were using to make dr- uh, alcohol illegal. The pro- (coughs) excuse me, the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after, you know, whiskey manufacturers and gin makers-

Paul Rosolie 55:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:42 ... and these whis- moonshine people, which is where NASCAR came from, by the way. NASCAR came out of moonshiners.

Paul Rosolie 55:48 Driving quick.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:49 They needed a souped-up car. So they took those people who were just ch- arresting people all over the country for alcohol, and then they sicced them on them on marijuana. And marijuana was never the term for cannabis.

Paul Rosolie 56:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:03 Marijuana was a, a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco, a totally different plant. So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and Black guys who were smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women.

Paul Rosolie 56:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:21 And then they fund Reefer Madness and they fund these movies, these propaganda films.

Paul Rosolie 56:24 And that's where that comes from.

Joe Rogan 56:25 All that comes-

Paul Rosolie 56:26 Marijuana cigarettes.

Joe Rogan 56:27 It all comes from hemp. It all comes from the commodity, from them having this interest in paper. Research su- suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon. So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world. It can grow four meters high in 100 days. So in 100 days-

Paul Rosolie 56:47 Four meters high in 100 days.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Yeah. In 100 days, you have a new crop.

Paul Rosolie 56:51 Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:52 It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper, which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down. And it takes forever.

Paul Rosolie 57:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 You ever been to old growth forests in like, uh, the Pacific Northwest-

Paul Rosolie 57:03 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 57:03 ... where they do logging?

Paul Rosolie 57:05 No.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Well, you've been to the Amazon. You've seen the, the worst slash and burn art.

Paul Rosolie 57:09 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:09 But, but the point is if you go to these cut places-

Paul Rosolie 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 ... these places where they cut the trees, they grow new trees. They plant new trees there.

Paul Rosolie 57:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:17 But it takes forever.

Paul Rosolie 57:18 It takes... I mean, a sequoia's-

Joe Rogan 57:19 20 years.

Paul Rosolie 57:19 ... a sequoia tree.

Joe Rogan 57:20 They're all hundreds-

Paul Rosolie 57:21 How old is a redwood?

Joe Rogan 57:21 ... of years. Thousands of years.

Paul Rosolie 57:23 Yeah. There's... I v- I see those pictures. I can't remember this dude's name. He p- he takes a picture with the trees before. The loggers come through and I mean, trees, you know, double the size of this room.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Yes.

Paul Rosolie 57:33 And then he has this picture with the tree after. And it's a fucking heartbreakinging-

Joe Rogan 57:36 It's a horrible thing, man.

Paul Rosolie 57:38 It's horrible.

Joe Rogan 57:38 It's, it's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's 1,000 years old and make a fucking basket out of it.

Paul Rosolie 57:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Like, this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary.

Paul Rosolie 57:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:48 And it could... Well, it can all be mitigated. This is, can all be mitigated. All of it can. You know, the real problem is hardwoods. You know, hardwoods are very, very valuable-

Paul Rosolie 57:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:59 ... and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others. Like in California, if you have oak trees, you can't chop them down unless you get a permit. Like we had a tree that was about to fall on our house.

Paul Rosolie 58:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:11 And it's like, it's like rrrr. It's on the way going and, you know, California, the earth tends to shake a little bit.

Paul Rosolie 58:16 Yeah, a little bit.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree. But, you know, you have to... There's... We, we have to figure out how our desire for hardwood, like the, the source of that hardwood... If your desire for a beautiful, you know, mahogany table... Well, they're beautiful, gorgeous. Look at your desk. Amazing. But if you g- could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree-

Paul Rosolie 58:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:41 ... that you were describing, that massive tree-

Paul Rosolie 58:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:44 ... that people had probably hadn't seen in 100 years or whatever, maybe ever. Who knows?

Paul Rosolie 58:49 Some of these trees are 1,200 years old.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water. (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 58:55 (laughs) We might have been the first people to ever see that tree.

Joe Rogan 58:57 When I was in Scotland, they were claiming this... I don't know if this is true, but, uh, th- 'cause there's a lot of really old shit in Scot- They have these stones.

Paul Rosolie 59:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 59:05 We, yeah, we were in Scotland. There's these guide stones on the ground and I go, "What's that from?" They go, "We don't know." I go, "How old is it?" They're like, "It's about 5,000 years old." I was like, "What? You just walk up to a 5,000 year old stone?"

Paul Rosolie 59:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:16 There's a stone circle out there. There's a stone circle-

Paul Rosolie 59:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:20 ... like that someone has constructed. It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale.

Paul Rosolie 59:25 Smaller, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:25 And it's older than Stonehenge and it's just on the street in front of this dude's house. So this guy said, "Do you want to see it?"

Paul Rosolie 59:31 It's not even like a heritage site.

Joe Rogan 59:32 No. No, it has a little plaque that's like that big.

Paul Rosolie 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:35 So we got out of the car and we walk over to it. You could walk on it. You could stand on it. I'm like, "This is so weird." Like, "How old is this?"

Paul Rosolie 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 They're like, "We're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old." Like, the druids made these things.

Paul Rosolie 59:48 And no one knows where it comes from.

Joe Rogan 59:49 They don't know. They don't know who did it. They don't know why. This guide stone was just on the ground ne- next to this, uh, th- this pathway. And I was like, "What is this?" They're like, "That's a, you know, 5,000 year old guide stone." Like, what does... What?

Paul Rosolie 1:00:02 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 (laughs) Who may have put that there?

Paul Rosolie 1:00:04 Shit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Why isn't a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:09 No, I mean, it's, it's w- this is just a meteorite?

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Yes.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:12 That is a meteorite. That's super cool.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 So, um, weren't they saying that... So they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like, "What?"

Paul Rosolie 1:00:20 What?

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 I don't know how that's true.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:21 I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Hmm.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:25 Wouldn't it be? (clicks tongue) I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere. It was like one of those, it's like, you know, like six feet tall and like super rooty-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Right, all fucked up and gnarly.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:30 And like, they said like it predates Jesus. Like, you know, it's like ancient, ancient, ancient tree.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Really?

Paul Rosolie 1:00:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Like, what's the oldest tree in the w- this is just... I didn't want to tell the guy. Get the fuck out of here. This isn't the oldest tree. (Scottish accent) He was, he was giving me a tour, a tour of the land.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:42 Could be one of the oldest trees in Europe.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 These are our coos. These are our coos. They're cows.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:47 Coos.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 They call the cows coos.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:48 Cooes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 I go, "What are you saying, man?" Um, Scotland's oldest tree. So it's 3,000-

Paul Rosolie 1:00:54 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 ... and 9,000 years old.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:55 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Between three and nine.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 1:00:57 That's a big swing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah, they don't know.They're just gue- I mean, that's the thing about that area.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:01 It's a piece of Canadian tree.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 There's a lot of just guessing.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 There's a lot of just guessing. Um, so see if you could show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly-looking. Like you were saying, it's not, like, a massive tree.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:11 No.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 It's, uh, y- you know, when you walk by it, you would think, "Oh, it's just a tree."

Paul Rosolie 1:01:16 It's just a tree.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:19 But w- I'm curious what the oldest tree, period, is.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 I think that's the one.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:23 Really? In Scotland?

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 That's the one they were saying is the oldest tr- well, this is just what this guy's telling me.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:28 Not it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 What is that one? The oldest tree in the world. Where, wh- what's that one? That one looks like it's the Middle East.

Paul Rosolie 1:01:33 Is it in the US?

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 I don't think so. No. Couldn't be, right?

Paul Rosolie 1:01:36 I don't know. Bristlecone pine?

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Where's that one?

Paul Rosolie 1:01:40 Great Basin, 100 years, da, da, da... It doesn't say.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Where's bristlecone?

Paul Rosolie 1:01:44 California.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 California? So the oldest tree in the world is in California?

Paul Rosolie 1:01:48 No, hold on. It says something about Atlanta.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Oh, no, no, no. It says, uh, y- yeah, n- I, I don't think they're thinking... They're saying-

Paul Rosolie 1:01:54 Trees Atlanta's the website. That's kinda weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Is that maybe just, like, trees around the world-

Paul Rosolie 1:01:58 I don't know. I think I just, I done the wrong, wrong rabbit hole is all, maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... that they're studying in Atlanta? Mm. The oldest tree in the world. It looks like shit. (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 1:02:06 (laughs) This is California.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Looks like you would expect the oldest tree.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:11 California.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 California.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:12 Doesn't have a single fucking leaf.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 So how old is that one?

Paul Rosolie 1:02:14 How is it alive?

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:20 40 years. Yikes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Methuselah. They have a name for it.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:23 Methuselah. That's a good name.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 So some cocksucker... You know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 You know? There's some fucking tech shithead. Uh, US Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely-

Paul Rosolie 1:02:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 ... where Methuselah stands, nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree. Someone's gonna...

Paul Rosolie 1:02:39 Methuselah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah, someone's gonna fuck it up.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:41 Uh, can you, can you look up what the, what the, what the, um, like how old the General Sherman is? I'm curious about the sequoias, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 But this is interesting, Jimmy, 'cause this is... Uh, w- I guess that other website's incorrect, because the other website was saying it might be f- 9,000 years old.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:54 This is- Is this the same tree right here, I think? The yew from northern Wales? Wouldn't that be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Well, yeah, but that's not Scotland.

Paul Rosolie 1:02:59 I guess not, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit too.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:03 Prometheus.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 I, you know, I think that's the thing about a lot of these old, old trees, is it's kinda guesswork.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 I don't think they really know, and I think it probably behooves them, behooves them, to exaggerate a little.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:17 Hooves.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 You know, because, uh, it's kind of a good bragging point to say, "We got the oldest tree in the world."

Paul Rosolie 1:03:22 Yeah, it's a draw for your, for your town, whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 Yeah, sorta. There's no one out there. It was really cool.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:27 Like six people come to see your tree.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 There's no one in Scotland, bro. There's... Fucking Scotland is like... The whole country is, like, the size of Austin.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:32 This says something about the oldest-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 In terms of population.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:34 ... largest known livi- living single-stem tree on Earth. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Single-stem tree? Oh, interesting.

Paul Rosolie 1:03:39 Yeah, so not, not all complicated like the ones we just saw. This is l- just, like, a pole. Uh, a lot of the rainforest trees are like this, where it's just a pillar.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 General Sherman. So is that a sequoia?

Paul Rosolie 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah, man. Have you, have you gone up to, uh, northern California to that rainforest?

Paul Rosolie 1:03:52 I haven't been up to northern Cali, but I- the- where the General Sherman is, it looks... You know, you know, like, if you play, like, Super Mario 64, like, when you get, like, you go into, like, Giant Land?

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Mm-hmm.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:01 There was a sequoia tree that had fallen over. I mean, the thing was, you know, 36 feet thick, I don't know. But I was like, "I couldn't climb on top of the tree."

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Right.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:09 And it fell over, and it went from here for, like, a city block.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:13 And it was just- it was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 They have one that has a tunnel carved out-

Paul Rosolie 1:04:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 ... where you can drive your car through it.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:18 They're so cool.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:19 And people wanna cut them down.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:20 There's people frothing to cut those things down.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Oh, yeah. People are gross, especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 The Sherman Tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on Earth.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:32 And you know that's not the biggest one.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 See, that's, that seems like- to make sense to me, like that's the oldest tree. You know, when I see that little-

Paul Rosolie 1:04:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 ... ratty little fucking bush in the desert, I'm like, "That's not the old... You lying bitch." (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 1:04:42 Yeah. See, I thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain where the- where it's, like, high wind and they're growing slow-

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 Hmm.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:48 ... over 1,000 years, so no humans would've been up there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Right.

Paul Rosolie 1:04:52 And every year, it's just adding a, you know, a millimeter to its, to its, you know, its wood.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago. But yet, we still know so little. And they're sti- they still... Like, 2010, they found a new human species, th- the Denisovans. They didn't even know that Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia-

Paul Rosolie 1:05:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 ... have Denisovan in them, and maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.

Paul Rosolie 1:05:20 They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the '90s.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Pfft. Well, wasn't a gorilla, like, a myth until they went... I think gorillas-

Paul Rosolie 1:05:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 ... were, like, mythical creatures until, like, the-

Paul Rosolie 1:05:35 To Europeans?

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 ... 1800s. Like, when did they discover gorillas?

Paul Rosolie 1:05:40 W- I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably had some mental issues.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 Well, I'm sure Africans saw gorillas-

Paul Rosolie 1:05:44 I mean, they were just laying around gorillas all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 ... but they couldn't get the word out.

Paul Rosolie 1:05:46 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 (laughs)

Paul Rosolie 1:05:47 But, like, the first explorer with his, you know, his chain mail to show up-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Yeah.

Paul Rosolie 1:05:50 ... and look at a gorilla.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 Uh, it wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better. But among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.

Paul Rosolie 1:06:04 (laughs) There's human-like, big 400-pound monsters in the, like- Insane.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Yeah. Well, there's-

Paul Rosolie 1:06:12 Insane.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 There's th- This is a really controversial one. It's the Bondo Ape, and that's, uh, a particular area of the Congo called Billie. And Billie has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla. So, like, this is a normal chimpanzee skull.

Paul Rosolie 1:06:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 See how it's smooth on the top?

Paul Rosolie 1:06:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive-

Paul Rosolie 1:06:36 Attaches, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 ... because they mostly just- Th- They only eat plants.

Paul Rosolie 1:06:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 So they're mostly eating fiber, so they're just crushing roots and-

Paul Rosolie 1:06:44 So it has to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 That's all day long.

Paul Rosolie 1:06:45 It has to grab onto that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 Massive muscles. Well, these chimpanzees, they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger. They're like six feet tall.

Paul Rosolie 1:06:56 A hybrid between chimpanzees.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 And they're enormous. It's a really controversial thing. Like some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees. Like there's this area in Africa. There's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies. It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got-

Paul Rosolie 1:07:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 ... stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo.

Paul Rosolie 1:07:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 So all the lions look like Yoel Romero. (laughs) They all just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions, just super j- Female lions as big as male lions-

Paul Rosolie 1:07:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 ... in other parts of Africa. Super jacked female lions just fucking up these water buffalos.

Paul Rosolie 1:07:31 Well, they do all the heavy lifting, the females.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Yeah, because they- But they have to adapt in- to their environment, so there was some thought that maybe this was a- a- a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large.

Paul Rosolie 1:07:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 But they're fucking huge, man. There's a guy named Karl Armand. He's a Swiss wildlife photographer and he dedicated his life to exploring these animals-

Paul Rosolie 1:07:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 ... and documenting them, and he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs. Bro, you gotta see what they look like.

Paul Rosolie 1:07:59 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Oh, yeah. They look nutty.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:01 Like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 They look nutty. I mean, they're hunched over a little bit, but they, they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:07 So this is a real thing? This isn't like cryptozoology or some-

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. So n- No, they have, they have tissue samples, they have bones, they have everything.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:12 So we have separate DNA for-

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 They have, yep, plenty of videos of these things. They're a- it's an actual animal. The, the question is, is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? It's like, right, we, we know they have bonobos.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:25 Wouldn't we be able to tell that from the, the tissue?

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Is it- Well, it's, it's a novel tissue though, right?

Paul Rosolie 1:08:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 So it's a new thing.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 So if it is, they're, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and, uh, uh, how many of them there are. And it seems to be in this incredibly dense, war-torn area of the Congo where these things live, but we know there's bonobos, right, which kinda look like chimpanzees but they're really different.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:46 Super different.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 They're not violent at all. They just fuck.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:49 Yeah, peace and love.

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 They just fu- They just ma- They, they have arguments and they fuck each other, and that's how they get over everything.

Paul Rosolie 1:08:53 They use hemp.

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Yeah, they probably