Joe Rogan Experience #2212 - Jelly Roll

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Joe Rogan 0:11 (rock music plays) Let's go. Let's go, Jelly Roll.

Jelly Roll 0:13 Yes. I'm back with my bubba. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:15 My man. I haven't seen you since, uh, Madison Square Garden. That was crazy.

Jelly Roll 0:18 Yes. What a great night that was, dude.

Joe Rogan 0:19 What an experience. What an experience, man.

Jelly Roll 0:22 Dude, it was so ... I was thinking about it pulling up here, is that, um, I think y'all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened. And I'd came that night to see Ron White, and I went back that Monday to see Kill Tony. And I could feel the Kill Tony thing happening over COVID at Vulcan, so I had to go see it in person, you know?

Joe Rogan 0:39 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 0:39 And I could remember sitting in there. And you know how, like, you can feel a sh- an energy shift?

Joe Rogan 0:44 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 0:45 I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night. I was like, "This is fixing to explode."

Joe Rogan 0:52 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 0:52 Like, everything associated with this club, everything associated with Tony, everything associated with Joe is fixing to fucking rocket ship. And it felt like, almost like ... I'm getting goosebumps, Joe. I'm not even bullshitting.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Woo, I'm getting goosebumps too.

Jelly Roll 1:05 I'm getting goosebumps.

Joe Rogan 1:06 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 1:06 It's almost like ... I swear, dude. It was like feeling the grunge movement in the '90s. Like, when you first heard a little something, you were like, "This is different."

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:16 And you were like, "This could be something." And then it just turned out to be the explosion. It's like, I felt that happening. So to see Tony at fucking Madison Square Garden, and then to see how y'all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden. Every fucking comedian on Earth came to see that dude, to fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:32 Two nights we had to be there.

Jelly Roll 1:32 ... kiss him on his fucking cheek. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 1:34 I had to be there. I had to be there. I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was, like, 18 comedians in the crowd.

Jelly Roll 1:40 Is that not crazy?

Joe Rogan 1:41 It was crazy. They were doing it in the Belly Room of the Comedy Store. It was just, like, an afterthought. They couldn't do any of the other rooms 'cause they didn't have an audience, and they would ... And Tony just had this weird idea that he just, like ... Like a little pit bull, just stuck with it.

Jelly Roll 1:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:55 One minute of comedy, and he, like, honed it over time, and figured out ... And then he became the best host in all of entertainment. There's n- no one better at hosting a comedy show than him. The way he does that show, the f- the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his, like ... The roast lines.

Jelly Roll 2:12 Yeah. I tell Tony all the time-

Joe Rogan 2:13 He's a wizard.

Jelly Roll 2:13 I say, "Tony, I love you, and that panel is the coolest thing I've ever seen. But you are the show, brother."

Joe Rogan 2:19 Oh, he's a monster.

Jelly Roll 2:19 We- we would all tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself.

Joe Rogan 2:22 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 2:22 Like, you are just so sharp. Y- I relate to it too, Joe. I c- I- I- I compare art forms. It's just something I like to do. I know some people don't. But watching Tony, I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schulz in a certain way, because I feel like we all kind of met each other right before it happened for all of us.

Joe Rogan 2:41 Right. Right, right, right.

Jelly Roll 2:42 Like, I remember me and Schulz doing the Opener Up song at the five, four... You know, he was doing two nights at Zanies, two shows. One show. You know, one show a night. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:50 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 2:50 And I was doing a thousand-seat club in the South. You know what I mean? And Tony was still Kill Tony-ing. You know what I mean? Like, and then-

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jelly Roll 2:57 And we're all fucking old. Like, the fact that it happened for all of us in our late 30s-

Joe Rogan 3:02 True.

Jelly Roll 3:02 ... is even cooler.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 3:04 So it's this double kinship. Like, when I was nominated for New Artist of the Year at almost 40, that's the first time that had ever happened in CMA history, in country music.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 3:12 But, like, this year, most of those kids are 27 and under. Here I was, a 40-year-old fucking man up there.

Joe Rogan 3:17 You're a beauty- beautiful example that there's no rules.

Jelly Roll 3:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:21 There's no rules. It's all bullshit. Just be yourself.

Jelly Roll 3:23 That's it.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Just be yourself. Do your best. Find, find whatever it is inside you that you can express.

Jelly Roll 3:28 That's it.

Joe Rogan 3:28 There's no rules. There's no rules for age. Like, Ron White used to worry about that all the time. "I think I'm too old." I'm like, "What do you t- You're Ron motherfucking White."

Jelly Roll 3:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:36 "You're a legend."

Jelly Roll 3:37 Period.

Joe Rogan 3:37 But it's, like, that humility that he has, even though he's got great confidence in his ability. Like, Ron is a very humble guy, as successful as he is. But that humility that he has is also that w- constantly has him writing and constantly has him working. He's th- 40 years in the game. He never stops. He-

Jelly Roll 3:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 And he's better now than he's ever been before.

Jelly Roll 3:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:58 Now that he's sober. Like, he's a monster.

Jelly Roll 4:00 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 4:01 A monster on stage.

Jelly Roll 4:02 Im- imagine hitting ... To m- so, to me, Ron White is on Mount Rushmore of comedy. For me personally. I know it's subjective.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Me too.

Jelly Roll 4:08 Some people are gonna ... You know, whatever. But for me, because I judge comedy as a fan of, like ... I look at skits like ... I mean, I look at specials like, what song stood out to me the most in the whole special? Like, your special was your album. How many songs do you have that I tell my friends about like it's my song?

Joe Rogan 4:24 Right, right, right.

Jelly Roll 4:25 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 4:25 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 4:25 And like, to me, Ron White has done more of that than ... I have more Ron White bits memorized than any other comedian. Just by, like, default of how good he is-

Joe Rogan 4:35 Right.

Jelly Roll 4:35 ... at weaving these little quick two-minute stories of just complete white trashery and druggery.

Joe Rogan 4:39 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 4:39 Which is just my fucking specialty. It's like g- I feel like he grew up on my street. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 4:44 Right.

Jelly Roll 4:44 So my mama likes Ron White. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 4:46 He was the first guy out here, you know. He was the first guy that came. He moved here before the pandemic.

Jelly Roll 4:51 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:52 'Cause he was always with us at the Store, and then one day, I called him up. I go, "Where the fuck you been, man?" He goes, "I moved to Austin." Fuck it.

Jelly Roll 4:59 Back to Texas.

Joe Rogan 4:59 He just ... He said ... He just loved it. He's like, "There's no traffic. Everyone's nice." And I started thinking about it then. He planted, like, the first seeds in, like, 2018. I was like, "Could I live in Austin?" Fuck, I don't know. Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains. Like, I wanna, I wanna live somewhere where there's no people. Like, very few people.

Jelly Roll 5:15 Did you ever have a ... Did you have mountains in mind when you, like, romanticized it? Did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it?

Joe Rogan 5:22 I really liked the mountains above Boulder.

Jelly Roll 5:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 5:25 I really ... I lived there for a little while in 2009. But, uh, when, um ... I think about Montana sometimes. I think about just someplace more peaceful. Wyoming. Somewhere just a little more peaceful. Cold as fuck in the winter, but just, like, more real. And that was m- my thought when I was living in LA, but it was, like, a necessity to get the fuck out of there. When, when the COVID stuff was going on, I'm like, "They are not gonna let this go. They are gonna keep us in control for ... " Once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, gotta get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there, no businesses, everything shut down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under. When they were doing that, I was like, "They're not gonna let this go. I gotta get the fuck out of here." And when we came to Texas ...... it was wide open.

Jelly Roll 6:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:11 Like, you know, some places made you wear a mask, but it was a joke. It was like, it was a goof, it was weird. It was like a two- completely different universe. We could go to... W- my kids were young, man. They were 10 and 12, and like, they wanted to go to restaurants. I'm like, "We can go to a restaurant here, sit indoors." Like, for everyone was terrified in LA, and they just weren't here. And the same results, like the same, the same thing happened to everybody, but over here, it was a way more peaceful experience. And Ron, when we were out here, we, we started doing shows at the Vulcan. And one night, the first time Ron had been on stage in like eight months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders, and was like, "Whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this." He's like, "You gotta open up a club." And I'm like, (sighs) "All right. That's it. We're opening up a club." And the process began.

Jelly Roll 6:57 God, dude.

Joe Rogan 6:58 All because of Ron. Ron l- led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here, so I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here.

Jelly Roll 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:08 You know? And then Tony moved here, and then Brian Simpson moved here, and then the fucking... The, just the train kept a-rollin all night long. It was nuts.

Jelly Roll 7:16 You know, the cool... I think it was by default, it was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of still water that needed to be stirred.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 7:23 And when you came, that still water stirred, and it awakened everybody. Like, hold on, there's, there's choices outside of the same routine that we've been... 'Cause like, you know, I mean, I'm sure y'all's life was stores, stores, stores, weekends out, stores, stores, stores.

Joe Rogan 7:34 It was improv too. I did the im-

Jelly Roll 7:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 ... in the Icehouse.

Jelly Roll 7:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:37 There was a few clubs we did, like on a regular. We could... You know, 'cause th- the more places to work out, the better. You know, and when we were... There were so many of us too. You know, we'd, we'd have shows where it's like Bill Burr's on, me, Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer. They're crazy shows.

Jelly Roll 7:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:52 Crazy shows, 'cause everybody was in LA. It was a beautiful thing up until th- they shut everything down.

Jelly Roll 7:58 It's that beautiful here now though, bud.

Joe Rogan 8:00 I n- that's what's crazy.

Jelly Roll 8:01 Man, that's what I'm saying. The, the, the water is complete... I mean, it is...

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Jelly Roll 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 We're just having a great time, hanging out.

Jelly Roll 9:09 No, no, no. That's what I, that's how I describe your club. I was like, "It's the gym for the greatest comedians in the world Tuesday through Thursday, and then the other greatest comedians in the world come and rent it from Friday (laughs) to Sunday."

Joe Rogan 9:21 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 9:21 I was like, "It's crazy, dude." It's like, no matter what day or show-

Joe Rogan 9:23 And then you have Kill Tony, that's the anchor.

Jelly Roll 9:25 Every Monday.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Kill Tony, Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe.

Jelly Roll 9:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:29 It really... That's a grandiose statement, I know. But what Kill Tony shows you is like, every comic wants a reaction. And some comics, unfortunately, if you're in specific areas, like very liberal areas, like Silverlake has a problem with this, like those kind of places, where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke. It's like a kind of thing you have to do. So, you get ideologically captured, and you, you, you make material that's bullshit. You get clapter. What Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute. You have one minute, and there's obviously no rules. By the time you get on stage, you've seen Cam go crazy.

Jelly Roll 10:08 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 You've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit. Maybe you've seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing.

Jelly Roll 10:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:16 And so you got one minute just crack. It's time to crack. So, it sets a tone for comedy. The comedy is just entertaining.

Jelly Roll 10:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:24 No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you like to talk about, whether you're Nate Bargatze or whether you're Shane Gillis.

Jelly Roll 10:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:33 It's like there- there's just a different way to do it. Everybody's got their own way to do it, but it's just, just go try to find your way. Don't try any tricks. Don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just 'cause you think people are gonna agree with you and like you more, and clap and che- and you're gonna say something profound. Shut up, you got one minute. So, that sets a tone for all the people coming up.

Jelly Roll 10:54 (laughs) So real. (laughs) I never thought of it that way.

Joe Rogan 10:56 It's so real. It's the mo- it's one of the most important things that's ever happened to comedy, yeah.

Jelly Roll 10:59 Yeah. Nobody's trying to impose their beliefs on you real quick.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Exactly.

Jelly Roll 11:01 They're just trying to make... They got 60 seconds to get a fucking laugh.

Joe Rogan 11:04 And you-

Jelly Roll 11:05 And the Kill Tony crowd will boo you if you don't.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Oh, they'll boo.

Jelly Roll 11:07 You've got about 30 seconds with them up in-

Joe Rogan 11:09 Yeah, they have very little time.

Jelly Roll 11:10 ... in an arena, in an arena. Real dangerous grounds, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:13 Bro, they were... And especially New Yorkers.

Jelly Roll 11:15 The first show in New York, dude.

Joe Rogan 11:19 They were rough. (laughs) They were rough.

Jelly Roll 11:20 It was... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:20 They were rough. They go hard.

Jelly Roll 11:21 You know, when I knew the arena thing was gonna be huge for Tony, I flew down here for the first one he did, 'cause we were drunk at the bar that night, and he was like, "I'm gonna play an arena." I was like, "I'm gonna come sing the national anthem." C- and it's a, it was a joke 'cause I don't sing the national anthem.

Joe Rogan 11:32 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 11:32 I have a rule, I don't sing the national anthem, (laughs) but I told him I was gonna do it. So, I came down, and we're watching, um, the first comedian this night at the HEB Center, right? The first bucket pull comes up, and you could tell this bitch did not have any idea she was gonna get called or anything to say.

Joe Rogan 11:50 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 11:50 This is the first... You're talking about a gift from God for Tony, right?

Joe Rogan 11:55 Oh.

Jelly Roll 11:55 If she's not up there 18 seconds, Joe, before they realize that she's just w- you know, falafeling.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Oh.

Jelly Roll 12:00 The boo birds came. They didn't start slowly and grow like they normally do. It was like 13 or 12,000 people made the decision at once. "Boo!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:11 What a horrible feeling.

Jelly Roll 12:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:15 What a horrible feeling.

Jelly Roll 12:16 And I was like, "Oh, yeah. This is gonna explode in arenas." I was like, "Kill Tony's gonna fuck in arenas."

Joe Rogan 12:21 It's, it's a be- it's the best show for that kind of an audience.

Jelly Roll 12:24 We watch it every Monday on the bus.

Joe Rogan 12:25 'Cause it's so chaotic.

Jelly Roll 12:26 Yeah, full disclosure, like, as a bus, imagine like a bunch of music dudes every Monday, that were like religiously...

Joe Rogan 12:34 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 12:34 It's something we have together, you know what I mean? It's something that the whole band can agree on.

Joe Rogan 12:38 The other thing about Kill Tony was-

Jelly Roll 12:40 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 12:40 ... in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard. And then as everyone got famous, they kept going hard.

Jelly Roll 12:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now. And there was nothing like it during COVID. There, there was nothing like it. You had this live show every week in front of a live audience, and everybody else is locked down where you have to wear your fucking mask while you're walking your dog, you know?

Jelly Roll 13:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Like, "What is going on?"

Jelly Roll 13:05 No, you're having to bring it.

Joe Rogan 13:06 It, it was also just, like, this rejection of norm. You know? Rejection of whatever is going, what- whatever people think the comedy industry is. 'Cause people think the comedy industry is, like, some group of people with power that control all the people, and give people specials that don't deserve it. There's all this, like, weird, weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience. And that's what Kill Tony is. There's no business element behind it.

Jelly Roll 13:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:36 There's no networks.

Jelly Roll 13:37 No.

Joe Rogan 13:38 There's no producers, there's no, there's no person, no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. You can't say that, Tony.

Jelly Roll 13:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:44 There's none of that, so it's just wild.

Jelly Roll 13:46 No, it's, it's complete chaos all the time.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 13:49 It's the greatest show on the internet, period. That's the truth.

Joe Rogan 13:51 It-

Jelly Roll 13:51 That's how I feel about it.

Joe Rogan 13:51 It fucking rules. And it's, uh, like I said-

Jelly Roll 13:53 But you're talking about people that do more when they get there, and that, me and you were talking off record right, right, I mean, off record, off microphone when we were walking in here about how if you hang around nine long enough, you'll be the tenth.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 14:03 And God blessed me that in the last few years, in light of my success, I've been get- had really cool friends. Like, Tony and I have become really good friends. You and I have become really good friends. And I've been able to watch, like a student of the game, guys like y'all, Bert, Tom, and go, "Man, these dudes are turning the heat up as it matters." Like, the content's flowing, like, it's only getting bigger. Last year, Joe, my most successful year of my career, I wrote more songs than I've ever wrote in a single year as a free man.

Joe Rogan 14:31 That's amazing.

Jelly Roll 14:31 Jail's a different concept 'cause fuck, what, I wrote a song a day. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 14:35 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 14:36 But I wrote 100... And I turned in 170 songs to my publisher last year.

Joe Rogan 14:40 Holy shit.

Jelly Roll 14:41 I just couldn't quit writing them. I was on the bus, I just could not, I could not... At every corner, I was getting done with a show. You know I do five shows a week, it's just how we tour. I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar, and just pouring ideas. I'm putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out, when my album Beautifully Broken is out right now. Um, I had 22 on the album, and I had five or six features that I was gonna do for a deluxe next week, and my wife teased one of the songs that's kinda doing good, so I think I'm just gonna drop them all tomorrow, today, technically, anyway, so...

Joe Rogan 15:10 Dude, you're so at home on stage, it's crazy. You know, uh, when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you, I'm like, "How often do you just do this? Just get up there and sing? How often are you doing this?"

Jelly Roll 15:20 Ah.

Joe Rogan 15:20 It's ki- it's a crazy thing 'cause it's, like, just you. You just are you up there.

Jelly Roll 15:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:25 You know? 15,000 people, 50,000 people, it's just Jelly Roll.

Jelly Roll 15:29 Yeah, that's it.

Joe Rogan 15:30 It's, uh, that's when a guy's, like, you know, you're, you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game, it's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone. 'Cause you recognize that, that feeling is a great feeling, when you're just, like, totally in tune with what you're doing.

Jelly Roll 15:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:45 I love when I see a comic that's in there.

Jelly Roll 15:47 When you know it's a flow.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 15:48 You know what I mean? When you know it's a flow.

Joe Rogan 15:49 Last time, uh, Dave Attell was here, it was right before he filmed his special. My God, it was magic.

Jelly Roll 15:55 Oh, he's so different.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Oh my God, he's so good right now. If you get a chance to see Dave Attell live, if you're a comedy fan, you have to see him. He's, and now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because the special's out. But God damn, he's in this fucking flow. He's a, like a, like a zen master up there. It's, it's weird.

Jelly Roll 16:13 It's scary how comfortable he is. I got, so I've never been to the Cellar. It's been a dream of mine. I had a night in New York, I had finished TV, so I went to the Cellar that night. And I had got Dave Attell's number on Bert's tour. I went on Bert's fully, uh, Fully Loaded Tour this year for fun. Did I tell you this story?

Joe Rogan 16:27 I think so.

Jelly Roll 16:27 Just, like, I think I told you, but just, like, to fuck off, I called Bert and was like, "Yo, can I just park my bus and just come fuck off for, like, five or six shows?"

Joe Rogan 16:33 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 16:33 And he was like, "What?" I was like, "Yeah." (laughs) He was like, "Will you sing?"

Joe Rogan 16:36 (laughs) .

Jelly Roll 16:36 I was like, "Fuck yeah, whatever, I'll come sing a song or two." So I just go up with a guitar every night between comedians, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:41 That's amazing.

Jelly Roll 16:42 But me and Dave would hang out every night, me, Dave, Big Jay Oakerson, So- uh, Soder, um, Morril, and we would all just... Bert, work there, I'm just, like, having the cool... I'm just like, I'm rarely quiet as I am back there 'cause I'm just listening, 'cause these dudes are telling the, they're the greatest storytellers ever-

Joe Rogan 16:59 Oh, yeah.

Jelly Roll 16:59 ... telling old stories.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Great guys too.

Jelly Roll 17:01 Ye- great dudes.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Soder, he is the best.

Jelly Roll 17:03 Soder's the dude, son. So I'm like, uh...

Joe Rogan 17:05 Sam's fucking amazing too.

Jelly Roll 17:07 He's a s-

Joe Rogan 17:07 They're just such good guys too.

Jelly Roll 17:08 Such, and such good real, just different level comedians too, man.

Joe Rogan 17:11 They're great comedians, but they're just great people too.

Jelly Roll 17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 They're fun to hang with.

Jelly Roll 17:15 They're fun guys.

Joe Rogan 17:15 There's a great crop-

Jelly Roll 17:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... there's a great cop- crop of people coming up right now.

Jelly Roll 17:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:19 You know, with Normand and Shane, and all, all these guys coming up right now are so good.

Jelly Roll 17:23 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:23 It's so fun.

Jelly Roll 17:25 It's a different level. It's a different level. If David Attell gives me his number, he's like, "Call me if you're ever in New York." I know, I see he has a flip phone, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:29 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 17:29 He has a little flip phone out. So I'm in New York and I just, like, randomly, and I say, "Dave, when I call you, I'm gonna be in New York City trying to find you, okay?"

Joe Rogan 17:38 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 17:38 He said, he said, "No problem, I'll be at the Cellar." That's what he tells me, right? I call this dude, me and Ian Financer standing, sitting at the bar, and I say, "I'm gonna call Dave and see what time he's coming." I call, third ring Dave answers and go, "You here?" I go, "I am."

Joe Rogan 17:51 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 17:51 He goes, "You need help getting in?" I was like, "I'm in." He said, "See you in a few." Flips the phone down. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:57 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 17:58 It was the most Dave Attell thing ever.

Joe Rogan 18:01 He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better. Way better. A lot of guys, there's like this thing that they have when they're, you know, doing drugs especially.... where they're just wild. And sometimes that wildness, it, it's like a magical energy on stage. Like, I couldn't imagine a sober Kinison.

Jelly Roll 18:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:24 That would've been really weird.

Jelly Roll 18:25 Man.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Like, Kinison's whole thing was like, "I'm here to fucking party."

Jelly Roll 18:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Like, he was partying, dude, hard. And that's why we didn't get much out of him. We only got like really a couple of good albums out of Kinison 'cause he was just going too hard.

Jelly Roll 18:38 His family came to my show in El Paso. Polly sent 'em. Um, and they brought me Sam Kinison's original gospel disks.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Oh, wow.

Jelly Roll 18:50 They gave me like five of them, Joe.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Oh, wow.

Jelly Roll 18:52 It's like one of my most prized possessions now. The whole-

Joe Rogan 18:54 How was it? How was the music?

Jelly Roll 18:55 Oh, it's crazy. Well, it's a lot of preaching on there too.

Joe Rogan 18:58 Is it preaching and singing?

Jelly Roll 18:59 Yeah. It was a lot of preaching on the first one. I didn't even get to the second one yet. I hadn't had a disk player. They brought all five of them that night, and I was so scared to fuck them up, I immediately put them in a, um, pelican crate and sent them home.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Oh, wow.

Jelly Roll 19:09 I was like, "This is crazy." You know what I mean? That the, uh, I mean, the whole Kinison family, there's like 10 of them in there, sharing all these cool stories. 'Cause I wanted them to... Polly said, "The Kinison family wants to come see your show." I said, "I want them to see my show because I have... so much of my show is derivative from Sam Kinison." You know what I mean? Like, there's so much... I'm a Southern gospel man anyways. I went to a Southern church, so I just understood Kinison's inflections and that kind of thing.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 19:32 It just spoke to me-

Joe Rogan 19:34 Right, right, right.

Jelly Roll 19:34 ... from where I'm from.

Joe Rogan 19:35 Right.

Jelly Roll 19:36 So it's like, I have always tried to... I, I tell people I'm somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam Kinison. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 19:41 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 19:42 As far as, like, how, you know, when it... You gotta come see. I'll be... I do the Moody Center in November.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Okay.

Jelly Roll 19:46 It's at middle of the week too. You should be able to make it.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Let's go.

Jelly Roll 19:48 It'll be fun. I'm trying to talk Carrie into putting a, uh, "Closed on Mitzi's Door" sign that says, "Closed. Gone to the Jelly Roll show."

Joe Rogan 19:55 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 19:55 Um, speaking of Mitzi's, can I tell you something I wanna... Uh, I- I've been waiting to talk to you about this, um, in person.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Okay.

Jelly Roll 20:01 I was so inspired by the time I've spent with you down here and, more importantly, the time I've spent at your club even without you. Just they treat me... I don't know if you hear the stories, but I've become a fixture of furniture there when I'm in town.

Joe Rogan 20:14 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 20:14 And, um, I am opening, I'm announcing this now right here, that I am opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville, Tennessee, which is a real big deal. You've been to Broadway. It's all-

Joe Rogan 20:23 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 20:23 ... after country music stars. I'm the first Nashville native to get a bar. So like-

Joe Rogan 20:28 Wow.

Jelly Roll 20:28 ... the first kid from the city to get a bar. But I was so inspired by the way... The mothership has Mitzi's, and it's like an honor to Mitzi's. And what y'all do that I have put... My, my bar's gonna be called Jelly Roll's Goodnight Nashville, but I have a back bar called Buddy's named after my late father.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Ah.

Jelly Roll 20:45 And it was completely inspired from what you have done at Mitzi's.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Oh, that's great.

Jelly Roll 20:50 All the way down to the... We're gonna set his chair there for him. You know what I mean? Like, it's just so inspiring. And it's gonna be just like y'all. Our rule is, it's open to the public when it's open to the public.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 21:00 And when it's not, it's not.

Joe Rogan 21:01 Right.

Jelly Roll 21:02 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 21:02 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 21:02 It's like-

Joe Rogan 21:03 Like Mitzi's?

Jelly Roll 21:03 Yeah. It's like you... 'Cause that place has created such a safe place for me to party.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 21:07 This is what me and Post Malone talk about when we're drunk by ourselves. We're like, "We need to go back to Jostlen. Let's just go hang out."

Joe Rogan 21:12 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 21:12 It's like the safest bar in the world. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 21:15 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 21:15 It's like, I can say anything here. I know I'm okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:18 Everybody's cool. The-

Jelly Roll 21:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:19 ... whole staff's cool. The staff's mostly comedians, you know, and...

Jelly Roll 21:23 Yeah. But my question was, can I send my buddy's bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week and shadow her?

Joe Rogan 21:29 Oh, yeah. 100%. Sure.

Jelly Roll 21:30 Okay. Carrie said-

Joe Rogan 21:30 Absolutely.

Jelly Roll 21:30 ... she's into it. She just said, "Ask Joe." I was like, "For sure."

Joe Rogan 21:31 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you need.

Jelly Roll 21:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:34 Yeah. That's a great idea.

Jelly Roll 21:34 I'm na- I think I'm gonna send her down in November around my show here. I'm gonna bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night. 'Cause Carrie runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 21:43 Like, she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians. I've watched it. It is wild.

Joe Rogan 21:48 Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the Store. That's why I hired her.

Jelly Roll 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 She was one of the first hires.

Jelly Roll 21:53 Oh, she's-

Joe Rogan 21:53 'Cause I told her, I go... You know, she was like the... one of the first people I contacted. I'm like, "I'm gonna open up a club."

Jelly Roll 21:58 (laughs) She's awesome, dude.

Joe Rogan 22:00 I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar.

Jelly Roll 22:04 That's how I feel too.

Joe Rogan 22:04 So the back bar at the Store was... it was completely removed. There's no- no general public at all. It's a very small... You've ever been in the back bar of the Store?

Jelly Roll 22:12 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 22:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:13 So Carrie ran that place.

Jelly Roll 22:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 So she kept everybody in line. Punky was there too before Punky was on SNL.

Jelly Roll 22:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:18 It's hilarious. She used to run that back bar too. And we used to all hang out there. Like, anybody... You know, you could be safe there. Any... All these celebrities-

Jelly Roll 22:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:26 ... people from out of town, they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar. So I kind of knew... And, uh, originally, Mitzi's was not gonna be open to the public at all. It was just gonna be a private bar. But then along the way, we'd said, "You know what? It doesn't hurt to, like, have it open to the general public, like, up until a certain time. And then from that time out, have it everybody after the shows are over," 'cause that's when everybody really wants to hang. And that was like the best blending of both worlds.

Jelly Roll 22:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:52 You know? But it was... That old bar in Hollywood was... I- it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there. So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home.

Jelly Roll 23:04 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 So it's like, that... There was like a piece of her there with us-

Jelly Roll 23:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:08 ... all the time. So when we decided to do this place, I'm like, "We gotta have a bar just for Mitzi." Just, just the same kinda, same kinda vibe.

Jelly Roll 23:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:17 You know?

Jelly Roll 23:17 No, I mean, it, it touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father.

Joe Rogan 23:22 That's awesome.

Jelly Roll 23:22 You know what I mean? So I just want you to know that the Mitzi legacy has went even further and that what y'all have created there is spreading onto a...

Joe Rogan 23:30 That's awesome.

Jelly Roll 23:30 You had me, almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never even met. I just know she did so much for you.

Joe Rogan 23:34 She did so much for everybody.

Jelly Roll 23:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:35 She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.

Jelly Roll 23:40 Polly's shared some really cool stories with me, uh, about her, and it's just... man, it's just unreal. I got to spend a little time with Polly 'cause I went to that back bar there. The cool thing is, because of y'all, I've now found y'all's community embraces me everywhere now, so I'm safe. If I'm in a city now, if I'm in LA, I'm like, "Where's the comedy club?"

Joe Rogan 23:57 Right.

Jelly Roll 23:57 "I bet they got a back bar. Call Adam Ray."

Joe Rogan 24:00 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 24:00 You know what I'm saying? Adam Ray's like, "Hey, I'm at the back bar at the mo- the Store. Come on." I'm like, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 24:04 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 24:05 "On the way." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yeah. It's a fun group of people, contrary to popular belief.

Jelly Roll 24:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Popular belief is that comedians are all, like, miserable.

Jelly Roll 24:14 No, dude, it's actually-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Very strange.

Jelly Roll 24:15 ... the funnest, um... The greatest...... storytellers ever. I could, I could listen to guys like Bert talk all night.

Joe Rogan 24:21 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 24:21 I could listen to Joey Diaz talk all night.

Joe Rogan 24:23 I've known Joey for 30 years, he still tells me new stories. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 24:25 Yeah, it's crazy. No, dude, it's crazy, man. 'Cause Joey-

Joe Rogan 24:28 Like, how do you still have stories?

Jelly Roll 24:29 Yeah, it's crazy, dude. 'Cause, well, Joey could go to the store today and have a story.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Oh, yeah.

Jelly Roll 24:33 You know what I mean? It'd just be fucking one of the, one of the best stories ever.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Joey's a monster.

Jelly Roll 24:36 I, I think we're all in the storytelling business, right? That's what I do too.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Sure.

Jelly Roll 24:40 I'm telling stories, I'm not doing it, um, a k- in a comedic way, but I'm, I'm still telling a story, you know what I mean? Like, it's all that kinda storyt-... I'm a, I am attracted to storytellers, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:50 I think we all are.

Jelly Roll 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 I mean, that's why you love a good movie and it's why you love a good book.

Jelly Roll 24:54 Yeah, especially when there's somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way.

Joe Rogan 24:58 I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment.

Jelly Roll 25:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Right? Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.

Jelly Roll 25:09 Right. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Yeah. It had to be, right?

Jelly Roll 25:11 Yeah, for sure. I mean, I, well, think about the old, "Let's sit around the campfire, read stories."

Joe Rogan 25:15 Sure.

Jelly Roll 25:15 I mean, that, that-

Joe Rogan 25:15 Sure.

Jelly Roll 25:16 I'm sure they were telling tales. Tall tales is what they used to call 'em. Think about how long we've been hearing these kinda stories of people just telling stories.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax.

Jelly Roll 25:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:27 When you're sitting around the campfire, that was the only time. It was dark out, there was nothing to do. You found all the food you're gonna find, and you're gonna get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again, and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.

Jelly Roll 25:40 Good.

Joe Rogan 25:40 So, the campfire was, like, the time where people would sit around and entertain each other.

Jelly Roll 25:44 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:45 In pre-history.

Jelly Roll 25:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:46 You know?

Jelly Roll 25:46 That's deep, 'cause you're thinking about it, like, from a hunting perspective too. They had to go out all day and find the food.

Joe Rogan 25:51 Y- yeah, if you were-

Jelly Roll 25:51 You could only do that when the sun was out.

Joe Rogan 25:53 You could only do it when the sun was out, and then at nighttime it's fucking dangerous 'cause there's predators out there.

Jelly Roll 25:57 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:58 So, fire is the best thing to keep off the predators, you know, fire, and everybody gathers around the fire 'cause the predators don't wanna come to the fire.

Jelly Roll 26:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Fuck, man. And that's where people learned how to tell stories. That's why we're so attracted to it.

Jelly Roll 26:10 And they were doing fucking drugs back then too, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Oh, 100%.

Jelly Roll 26:13 They were smoking pot and doing all kinda...

Joe Rogan 26:14 They were doing all kinds of stuff.

Jelly Roll 26:15 Somebody had already figured out that cow shit mushrooms could make you feel great.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah, 100%.

Jelly Roll 26:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:20 100%. They tried everything. They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you.

Jelly Roll 26:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:27 Imagine going through mushrooms trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God.

Jelly Roll 26:31 Yeah, yeah. Dude, could-

Joe Rogan 26:31 They had to figure that out trial and error.

Jelly Roll 26:33 Could you ima- how many times they had to go through it and go back and go, "Listen, y'all, I've done this a few times, and I'm pretty confident that there is this thing that grows in a pile of shit-"

Joe Rogan 26:40 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 26:40 ... "that makes me feel fucking, like God." (laughs) You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 26:44 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 26:44 It's crazy, dude. Somebody had to be that guy.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro and the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls?

Jelly Roll 26:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:52 It's, uh, Sacred Mushroom... What was it... No. Is it Sacred Mushroom and the Christian Myth? And what was... There's two different... Sacred Mushroom and the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them. What is the, what is the titles of his book? The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and then there is another one. There's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it.

Jelly Roll 27:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:16 And the Chri- something and the Christian myth.

Jelly Roll 27:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:19 The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth.

Jelly Roll 27:20 I read The Dead Sea Scrolls.

Joe Rogan 27:21 So, this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms.

Jelly Roll 27:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:25 He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.

Jelly Roll 27:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:32 He thinks that what they were doing was, they would have these stories, especially when they were conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories, so they would hide the truth in stories, and in, you know, allegories, and all these different-

Jelly Roll 27:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:43 ... tales.

Jelly Roll 27:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:44 But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.

Jelly Roll 27:50 I can tell you this, on brand, I mean, I'm a man of faith, but on brand with that is Jesus told stories and sto-... He taught in stories.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 27:58 Jesus never gave a direct- a direction. He always was just like, "Well..." And then he'd tell a story, and you would have to figure out... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 28:07 Right, right, right.

Jelly Roll 28:07 It was like, okay, this story would show the... It was always in story form too.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time.

Jelly Roll 28:16 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 28:17 You know? Because if you have a story, in the story Noah has an ark-

Jelly Roll 28:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:20 ... and he brings the animals in the ark, and God tells him he's gonna do this and he's gonna do that, and he does, does it, and then, you know. If you have a story, then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again.

Jelly Roll 28:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Like, we can read The Epic of Gilgamesh today.

Jelly Roll 28:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:36 That's a 6,000-year-old story.

Jelly Roll 28:39 Ooh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Something like that. 5,000?

Jelly Roll 28:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:41 D- we can read that today.

Jelly Roll 28:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:42 That's nuts.

Jelly Roll 28:43 That's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:44 Right? That's crazy. Because it's a story.

Jelly Roll 28:46 'Cause it's a story.

Joe Rogan 28:47 But if it was just people talking about what, what you should do, or what happened, and, you know, like, when it's history... Man, we can't trust history from the '60s.

Jelly Roll 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 History from the '60s, we're, we're finding out new shit every day about the Kennedy assassination.

Jelly Roll 29:02 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:02 That was fucking '63, man.

Jelly Roll 29:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:04 '63. That's 51 fucking years ago, that's insane, and we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened.

Jelly Roll 29:10 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:10 And this is, like, with modern m- in... Like, they had television, they had printing press.

Jelly Roll 29:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:16 They had all these different things. They had accountability, they had elected officials, they had democracy.

Jelly Roll 29:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Still can't figure out what the fuck happened. And that's '63. So, imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago. You know? It's like, who knows who's telling the truth, who knows... Like, you've gotta, like, sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking, the facts show.

Jelly Roll 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:37 But if you have a story, even if it's, like, there's something hidden in that story.

Jelly Roll 29:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:42 And he thinks that that's what the, um, the apple was in the Garden of Eden.

Jelly Roll 29:47 That's deep. That's, yeah. All that, all that was in story. The thing about stories too is they said... I've never been to the Pyramids, but they said that all that stuff on the inside of it is just a story, right? It's all telling a story to a degree.

Joe Rogan 29:57 The hieroglyphics, some of them, sure.

Jelly Roll 29:59 Yeah, the hieroglyphics and, like, telling stories, or when they have the guys chasing these things with the spears, they're, like, trying to show a story. It's all trying to tell a story, man.

Joe Rogan 30:06 And a lot of mushrooms too.

Jelly Roll 30:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:08 There's a lot of images of them with mushrooms, a lot.

Jelly Roll 30:10 I might do mushrooms today. It's my album release today-

Joe Rogan 30:12 Today?

Jelly Roll 30:12 ... I'm thinking about it. I don't know if I wanna do mushrooms-

Joe Rogan 30:15 God, they should be legal.

Jelly Roll 30:16 I know, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:17 God, they should be legal. They should be legal and regulated, and people should figure out what the fuck they do.

Jelly Roll 30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Should do a lot of research, figure out what this is. This might be the thing that gets us out of there, just on a micro-dosing nation-

Jelly Roll 30:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:29 ... and connects together.

Jelly Roll 30:30 I know every time I've went deep, it was life changing for me.... like, I'll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then, just, like, you know, "Woo, let's get..." But any time I was like, "Let's go," it was a life-changing experience every time.

Joe Rogan 30:41 It's funny that people wanna reject that as not being imp- that's, what's really important is to keep people from, like, losing their mind and losing their ambition and, and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary.

Jelly Roll 30:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:53 That's what everybody's worried about. Everybody's worried about, like, this collapse of society because people, they give up on capitalism and they, they tune in and drop out, you know?

Jelly Roll 31:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:03 That, that whole thing? I don't think that's real. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 31:08 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 31:08 I think, I think... I don't think we should be worried about that.

Jelly Roll 31:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:11 I think those people are always gonna wanna drop out. The people that are, that wanna fuck off are always gonna wanna fuck off and if you give them an excuse, yeah, they're gonna do it. But that's just a style of person. That's not gonna affect most people. Most people would benefit, especially if they're not crazy, if they don't have, like, mental health problems. It'll, you'll probably get something out of it.

Jelly Roll 31:31 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's helped me in some of my most depressed moments. If I'm really in a dark, dark spot and can't get out of it, my wife will encourage me to go trip. She'll be like, "Why don't you go..." 'Cause we, like, uh, we got this, uh, called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee. It's out- outside of a little town called Hohenwald, Tennessee. Look, old country river, man. I mean, little country creek, river. River, I mean, it's a river but it's kinda shallow. You can see the bottom of it and we'll go... It's called Floating the Buffalo. We'll go out there and just float the buffalo. And every now, about twice a year, me and the buddies will go out there and we'll just take six or seven-

Joe Rogan 32:01 Damn.

Jelly Roll 32:01 ... and just float the buffalo.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Damn.

Jelly Roll 32:03 So if I haven't got to do it in a year because of the schedule, my wife will feel that on me and be like-

Joe Rogan 32:08 Maybe you need to go.

Jelly Roll 32:08 ... "Yo, you might need to go to the buffalo." You know what I'm saying? (laughs) She's like, she'll, she'll say it really cool. She'll be like, "When's the last time you floated the buffalo?"

Joe Rogan 32:13 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 32:14 And I'll be like, "Man, it's been a year, hadn't it?" She'll be like, "I think you should, you and Scary Larry," who's one of my best friends, and he's, I've known him, we met each other in juvenile hall. He's a, just wild character. She goes, "You and Scary should go float the buffalo."

Joe Rogan 32:25 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 32:25 She'll just, like, encourage me. Like, she knows I'm gonna come back a way better husband, way better father.

Joe Rogan 32:30 You know what the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is?

Jelly Roll 32:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Is that, uh, it came from outer space, that it's a, an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that they know that, um, spores can survive in the vacuum of space and, uh, there's a thing called panspermia. What panspermia is, is the idea that, like, an asteroid slams into a planet and it takes amino acids and, uh, biological organisms that s- that could survive in space and, and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet-

Jelly Roll 33:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:06 ... by way of an asteroid. And that's, that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right? And they know that that's how we get iridium. There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in, in places where there's been an impact 'cause it's really rare on Earth but really common in space. S- so we know that some shit gets to us and apparently, I'm too stupid to understand this, but the way botanists describe it, and see if you can find any information on this, there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin, psilocybin mushrooms, Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. They're very weird and they're, they're, they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way. Like, the way they work is, like, also very tied into human neurochemistry, like, it's really close to, like, dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so, the craziest theory is that it's come from space. Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space. Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light. And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.

Jelly Roll 34:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:21 So, this is, uh, one of the weirder theor- so this, was this Terence McKenna's theory? Are mushrooms from outer space, is the... Go ahead.

Narrator 34:28 It brings him up. I don't know if it's officially his theory, but...

Joe Rogan 34:31 The late ethnobotanist Terence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah, he had a theory. It's called the th- Stoned Ape Theory.

Jelly Roll 34:39 Yeah, I heard about that on your pod.

Joe Rogan 34:40 His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents. Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and, following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms, directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self-awareness. Oh.

Jelly Roll 35:00 That's fucking wild.

Joe Rogan 35:02 Yeah. His theory is that's why, I mean, if you can see it there. Click on that back again, you can see where it was talking about his theory. So his, his theory is re- very, very bizarre.

Jelly Roll 35:15 So he went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there's human life on Earth.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah. So while it may, may seem like material from space, or from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone.

Jelly Roll 35:27 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:27 Fungi build cell walls of... I don't know how to say that word.

Jelly Roll 35:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Chitin? Chitan? Chitin? Are the same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.

Jelly Roll 35:37 I'm so country, I would've said shitten.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Shitten? Could be chitten.

Jelly Roll 35:40 (laughs) 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 35:40 Chitten, like chitlins.

Jelly Roll 35:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:42 These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings as well as the plumage of some colorful b- birds such as peacocks. Living spores... Okay, so we've read that, but what does it... There was something about his theory where he's explaining his theory of how it would've worked.

Narrator 35:57 It's all messed up over here.

Joe Rogan 35:59 That's it? Well, his, essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms and it made them better hunters and it made them more, more creative and it made them figure out language.

Jelly Roll 36:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 36:10 And it's, he thinks it's responsible for, there's, like, this weird mystery of the human brain size. It doubled over a period of two million years and there's no real solid explanation. It's a very strange thing.

Jelly Roll 36:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:22 And it, the cra- uh, apparently the biggest mystery in all of the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution.

Jelly Roll 36:28 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 36:28 Like how did, yeah, how did the human brain double over two million years?

Jelly Roll 36:31 Oh, dude. It had to have been psilocybin.

Joe Rogan 36:33 Probably had a part of it, or aliens.

Jelly Roll 36:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:36 Maybe aliens.

Jelly Roll 36:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Maybe both.

Jelly Roll 36:39 (laughs)

Narrator 36:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:39 Maybe they are aliens. You know, maybe they are aliens.... maybe we're just looking the wrong way.

Jelly Roll 36:45 Yeah. Maybe we're fucking aliens, right?

Joe Rogan 36:47 I think we probably are. I think we probably are. We doesn't seem like we belong here.

Jelly Roll 36:51 (laughs) That's great. (laughs) You know what I tell somebody all the time? My new theory is, 'cause my life turned out in such a way I never dreamed, that this is a simulation. And that there is an overweight, nerdy alien that plays me.

Joe Rogan 37:01 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 37:01 And that during my s-... I, I think about this all the time when I'm high. And that my sleeping hours are, like, when he's doing his normal stuff, and my waking hours are his two hours a day.

Joe Rogan 37:10 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 37:10 And I just imagine this, like, kid that's looking back, like, "Mom! You won't believe what I've done with that fat dude the last nine months."

Joe Rogan 37:17 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 37:17 "It's fucking crazy! He's one of the most famous artists in the world." And she's like, "You gotta get off." He's like, "But he's going to the Grammys!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:26 Yeah, it's like a-

Jelly Roll 37:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:27 ... super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.

Jelly Roll 37:29 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:32 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 37:32 My, my, my dude's telling people, like, "Y'all remember that dude we thought wasn't gonna do it? He did it! He, he fucking figured it out!"

Joe Rogan 37:37 If it's a simulation, it's a really good one. We're in a good timeline, brother.

Jelly Roll 37:41 Oh, it couldn't be any better, man.

Joe Rogan 37:41 We're in a, we're in a really good episode.

Jelly Roll 37:43 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 37:43 We got a-

Jelly Roll 37:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:43 ... fucking good group of writers.

Jelly Roll 37:45 It couldn't have got any cooler, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:47 And that's like, if you're on a show and you've got writers like this, like, "Fuck, these writers are amazing."

Jelly Roll 37:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:52 This fucking show is always entertaining. Every day there's some new drama.

Jelly Roll 37:56 Yeah. Oh, especially right now. We're in the middle of a drama scene.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Oh my goodness, there's so much. There is so much, y- you can get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day.

Jelly Roll 38:05 It's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Yes.

Jelly Roll 38:07 'Cause I have missed it all. I'm doing-

Joe Rogan 38:09 That's good.

Jelly Roll 38:09 ... five shows a week, and I am so in the vortex of touring.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Yeah, good.

Jelly Roll 38:13 We do that old school rock and roll shit, so we really do play five shows a week for 12, 13 weeks, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:18 That's amazing.

Jelly Roll 38:19 It's awesome, dude.

Joe Rogan 38:20 But again, that's why you're so comfortable up there.

Jelly Roll 38:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 You're so just-

Jelly Roll 38:24 Yeah. It reeks of a man who's done a thousand shows.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 38:26 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yep, yep.

Jelly Roll 38:27 It's like, it's like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable. It's like when I watched Attell at the Comedy Cellar, when he leaned back on the wall?

Joe Rogan 38:33 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 38:33 I was like, "Oh, he's fitting to kill."

Joe Rogan 38:35 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 38:36 But he just walked straight up and leaned back. (laughs) And then he calls Ian up, and Ian's just throwing, you know, just shit at him. And he's just lighting Ian on fire.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 38:43 It was just, it was so good, man.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Yeah, they, they're... That's a good hammer and nail-

Jelly Roll 38:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:47 ... the two of those two guys together too. He did that at the club here too.

Jelly Roll 38:50 Yeah, dude, I feel like it's, um, it's... It reminds me of, like, the early phases of, like, a Bumping Mikes thing.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 38:56 Like a new version of that.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Right.

Jelly Roll 38:58 Which, 'cause when him and Jeff Ross are together, it's like when David Lucas and Tony are firing on each other.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Right, right, right.

Jelly Roll 39:02 I feel the exact same way when Jeff Ross and David Tell are near each other.

Joe Rogan 39:06 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 39:07 I get that same excited feeling of like, "Ooh, some shit's fitting to pop off." You know what I'm saying? (laughs) Like...

Joe Rogan 39:11 Yeah, when David and Tony go after each other, there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 39:17 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:18 There's 100,000 ways David can call Tony gay. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 39:21 Yeah, and he's called David 100,000 ways to be fat. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:24 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 39:24 It's just... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:26 Uh.

Jelly Roll 39:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:26 And so also the way they laugh at each other doing it.

Jelly Roll 39:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Like, if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.

Jelly Roll 39:32 Yeah, it's getting cooler and cooler.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Elon believes it's a simulation. He's a lot smarter than me.

Jelly Roll 39:36 Yeah? Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:37 He think, he thinks the, the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions.

Jelly Roll 39:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 39:43 Yeah. In the billions, he said.

Jelly Roll 39:44 Wow. I'm telling you, dude, there's a little dude that's, nobody believes it. He's going to school every day like, "My Minecraft dude is killing it." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:51 Do you get, um, that imposter syndrome thing ever?

Jelly Roll 39:55 Oh, man. So much. I'm, I'm somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I'm at in my career right now or overly comfortable where I'm at in my career.

Joe Rogan 40:06 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 40:06 So I'm either having to catch myself and go, "Whoa, big fella."

Joe Rogan 40:08 Right.

Jelly Roll 40:09 "Come on now, dog. You were just in jail 10, you were-"

Joe Rogan 40:12 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 40:12 "... people that knew you six years ago hate you still." You know what I'm saying? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:15 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 40:15 It's like... (laughs) And then, and then I have situations where I'm like, "I don't belong here." I'm having that moment th- right now. This is, um, this is my first album, Joe, that is gonna be in a fight for the number one album in the world. Never dreamed. Now, this is like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 40:37 Do you think that's-

Jelly Roll 40:38 ... that's a different world.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Do you think that's maybe something that you shouldn't even think about? 'Cause like, your music's amazing, you're amazing.

Jelly Roll 40:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Maybe all that, just let it just exist.

Jelly Roll 40:49 No, that's what I, that's what I've been... And that's how I-

Joe Rogan 40:51 'Cause it's so big now, it's almost-

Jelly Roll 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 ... like if you pay attention to it, you're gonna go blind.

Jelly Roll 40:55 Oh! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:56 You know what I'm saying? Like you're kinda staring-

Jelly Roll 40:57 Oh, that's real?

Joe Rogan 40:57 ... at the sun.

Jelly Roll 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 You're kinda staring at the sun. Like it used to be you had a little campfire.

Jelly Roll 41:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:02 And you're warming your hands 'cause it's cold outside.

Jelly Roll 41:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:04 But now you're kinda staring at the sun. And maybe-

Jelly Roll 41:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:07 ... just be Jelly Roll.

Jelly Roll 41:08 That's, that's what I...

Joe Rogan 41:09 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 41:10 But what's scare... Being Jelly Roll got me to the point that they're now saying I might have a number one album.

Joe Rogan 41:15 You probably will.

Jelly Roll 41:15 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 41:16 You probably will.

Jelly Roll 41:16 And then you're in a place where you're like, "Holy fuck." And that, and that's where the imposter syndrome comes in, 'cause you're like, "Yo, I wasn't even..."

Joe Rogan 41:23 Mm-hmm. That's where friends are born.

Jelly Roll 41:24 Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have a Billboard Hot 100 song-

Joe Rogan 41:28 Right.

Jelly Roll 41:29 ... until 24, 36 months ago. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 41:32 Yeah, no, you, you exploded.

Jelly Roll 41:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:34 But you handle it beautifully. You really do.

Jelly Roll 41:36 Thank you, bro.

Joe Rogan 41:37 You, because you feel, like, genuine gratitude.

Jelly Roll 41:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:40 Genuine gratitude comes off of you.

Jelly Roll 41:42 Man, thank you.

Joe Rogan 41:43 It's real.

Jelly Roll 41:43 I am, I am true... You feel it. I mean, you know me. I'm, I am... I can't believe this is happening. It's the most-

Joe Rogan 41:48 I know you can't, but it, but it is. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 41:49 It's the fucking wildest thing ever, dude. Every, ev- every corner.

Joe Rogan 41:52 It is, and we deserve it.

Jelly Roll 41:53 I was just with, um, our boy Brigham, doing some blood work and getting some, getting some, some, um, some shit to make me feel better. I broke my, broke my heel. And, uh, we were talking about that, of like, um, living in the gratitude of it to the... And realizing, even you saying that we're such, such a special simulation.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 42:15 Like, this ti- the time of this. I know I keep going back to the same point, but it's where I'm, my heart is right now, is watching me and a bunch of guys that were all at this kinda same thing at the same time three or four years ago, that you could feel the teapot bubbling.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Uh-huh.

Jelly Roll 42:30 And all of us being, like, a little left of center. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 42:33 Like I wasn't supposed to be in country music the way that they've embraced me. Outside looking in, you'd have never guessed.

Joe Rogan 42:39 Right.

Jelly Roll 42:39 Outside looking in, you coulda never said that Kill Tony would be the number one live podcast on the internet. You know what I mean? Or that Schultz's podcast would be... Or that, um-... me and, uh, Zach Bryan would have this similar, of course he ended up being way bigger than me, but this like similar kind of... We're writing songs our whole life that nobody really heard.

Joe Rogan 43:01 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 43:01 And then all of a sudden they got this just... It's probably the craziest synergies that could've ever happened in any scenario for me, in any way. And it's inspired me to get healthy. It's like gave me purpose. And I've never felt more loved, I've never felt more warmed or welcomed. I spent so much time feeling the opposite of loved, you know? Um, even walking in here and playing with Carl.

Joe Rogan 43:27 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 43:27 There was a time in my life where I would have walked in here and that dog would've let y'all know I was not a good person.

Joe Rogan 43:32 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 43:32 You know what I'm saying? (laughs) That, uh, you would've just looked and been like-

Joe Rogan 43:35 Got it.

Jelly Roll 43:35 ... "Why is Carl acting weird with this big guy?" You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 43:37 Uh-huh.

Jelly Roll 43:37 Yeah, just, "What's up with..." Kids were the same way, dude. Kids would look at me and squall.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 43:41 You know what I mean? And, um, it's, it's really inspired me to start focusing on my health too, dude. I'm down 100 pounds now. Officially down 100 fucking pounds.

Joe Rogan 43:50 That's amazing. Congratulations. That's really huge.

Jelly Roll 43:52 Dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 43:53 That's a big, massive accomplishment.

Jelly Roll 43:54 Thank you, brother. It's been all food. I'm working out, I'm walking, but what I've learned is, as I'm losing the weight, it's inspiring me to just-

Joe Rogan 44:01 Keep going.

Jelly Roll 44:02 By nature I want to go walk and do more stuff, because-

Joe Rogan 44:04 Right.

Jelly Roll 44:04 ... I'm fucking, I'm lighter.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Sure, sure.

Jelly Roll 44:05 I feel better. So when the army's like, "You want to go play basketball?" We're playing basketball three days a week now.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Wow.

Jelly Roll 44:10 You want to hear the coolest act of love, Joe? I'll, I'll try not to get emotional talking about this, but... My whole band has watched me fight. Cocaine addiction, l- they watched me get off coke, they watched me get off lean. They've watched me figure my life out slowly. And they knew that the last mountain for me was food. So we started putting a real structure around it, I hired a real nutritionist, he's out here with me now. I mean, like, I'm only eating his food. I'm just like super with it, we're getting anything that could, you know, out of the green room, we're just... So I'm working out every day, walking around the arenas. And one day they have a basketball court, because we're fucking playing in a... This is insane, by the way, that I'm playing in fucking NBA arenas.

Joe Rogan 44:55 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 44:55 And like, I'm playing where the fucking Orlando Magic... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:57 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 44:57 I'm on an Orlando Magic court. Like, what the f- I feel, I'm, I'm like a fucking fat Shaq.

Joe Rogan 45:01 Uh.

Jelly Roll 45:01 But, um, so the first day it's just like me and like three or four dudes. The crew heard. Dude, the next day, 30. The whole crew showed up for me. And they don't, you know, these dudes are just, they're just there because they know it's helping me, kind of. So now three days a week we're renting basketball courts and having full-blown fucking tournaments.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Wow.

Jelly Roll 45:20 And it's been so good for me, because it's like reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way of like, I grew up in a community where there were basketball courts and we would all go play, you know what I mean? It's like, it's been really like... It's been the best experience ever. And I'm getting to do it in like, back to that weird shit. Not only are you experiencing this with your friends and people you love, and then you're doing it at the San Antonio Spurs court.

Joe Rogan 45:40 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 45:40 (laughs) And the San Antonio Spurs coach is out there giving you pointers and fucking being the referee.

Joe Rogan 45:44 That's amazing.

Jelly Roll 45:45 And you're, you're, the Sacramento Kings coach is fucking shooting with you, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 45:49 Yeah. Elon's right. This is a simu-

Jelly Roll 45:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:52 This is n- this ain't real life.

Jelly Roll 45:54 No.

Joe Rogan 45:55 It can't be.

Jelly Roll 45:55 It's unreal, dude. Leaving Nationwide Arena. But, uh, I was also, um, telling Brigham, talking about the humility too is that I'm still nervous walking in here, and we're friends. And you know, but you tell us all the time, what you told Brigham, "Nobody's going to tell you, we're just two friends talking." I was like, "I know, with 20 million motherfuckers listening, dog."

Joe Rogan 46:11 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 46:11 I fucking, I'm not falling for that. "We're just two buddies talking." That's it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:14 Don't look at the sun.

Jelly Roll 46:16 That's it. You're right.

Joe Rogan 46:16 It's the same thing, don't look at the sun.

Jelly Roll 46:17 No, I, you know how much I needed to hear that?

Joe Rogan 46:19 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 46:19 Especially like, because I've n- I don't get in my head about stuff, but just this week was the first time the label called and said, "Hey, we don't want to... We want to put this on your radar because it might make you want to promote the record."

Joe Rogan 46:29 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 46:30 "You might have a number one album."

Joe Rogan 46:32 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 46:32 And I was like, "Whoa." Dude, this shit wasn't even in my mind. When I had a number five album last year, you couldn't have told me I didn't have a number one album. You know what I'm saying? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:40 Right, right.

Jelly Roll 46:40 I was like, "Fuck you."

Joe Rogan 46:41 Crazy.

Jelly Roll 46:42 You know what I'm saying? Is this, what's in that? What's in this one?

Joe Rogan 46:43 Water. This is coffee, that's water.

Jelly Roll 46:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:46 Yeah, it's, it's a wild experience, man. And if it's not real, boy have we picked a really good simulation.

Jelly Roll 46:52 It's been great though, man. It's been-

Joe Rogan 46:54 It's great to hear that you're on this positive track, because it's all now just about momentum. It's just about staying on the course. That, that's what's hard for people, is getting the good momentum.

Jelly Roll 47:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 You-

Jelly Roll 47:03 I'm building the momentum. I had a moment the other day, I was telling Schults this, it was a really small win, but for a food, lifelong food addict. Because, Joe, I was up to 550 some pounds. I was having to weigh myself at meat places. Um, you know, uh, and, uh, I was telling him that I used to walk in and like a drug addict. I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Damn.

Jelly Roll 47:26 You know what I mean? Like, if you had like the little Baby Snickers in a little thing, or (singing) diddi das, and like-

Joe Rogan 47:31 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 47:31 The other day I was in my green room, and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a c- piece of candy and said, "Did you, y- y- you want one of these?" Because we'd just got hit, hitting a dab or something, and I didn't even know the candy was in there, Joe. Because normally they get the candy, they don't put shit like that in my room. And that was the first time I was like, "Oh, I'm onto something. Like, I'm fucking winning right now."

Joe Rogan 47:49 Right.

Jelly Roll 47:50 Like, I didn't even notice? That-

Joe Rogan 47:51 You didn't even scan for candy?

Jelly Roll 47:51 I could've been eating milk for five hours?

Joe Rogan 47:53 Right.

Jelly Roll 47:54 (laughs) And I didn't know? You know what I'm... I would ain't well. I didn't even scan for candy. It wasn't even, it's not even a thought now when I walk into places.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 48:00 Is, is there a candy dish here? You know what I mean? That used to be literally one of the first things I would look for. You know, is there a candy dish here? I've had to make so many different small habit changes. But it's been the fucking... I was just telling, um, Bubba out there, and I was telling Bruce on the way in here, I feel this good just losing 100 pounds, Joe. And I'm still, I've never told my weight but I'ma tell it here, because I want some accountability from people. Um, 420 something now. 420. And, um, imagine, I'm, I'm talking, I'm walking around different. Talking different.

Joe Rogan 48:32 Sure.

Jelly Roll 48:32 My shoulders are setting different. I'm fucking my wife different. I'm just kind of, you know, I'm moving different.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Bro, you probably have crazy powerful legs.

Jelly Roll 48:39 Dude, it's crazy, Joe.

Joe Rogan 48:40 I bet you have massive leg muscles.

Jelly Roll 48:41 I've been going to the gym now.

Joe Rogan 48:44 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 48:44 I've... Listen, dude. What, as much as you can fit on that thing, I'm s- throwing.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Of course.

Jelly Roll 48:48 Throwing. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 48:49 Think about it, man. You've been carrying around 500 pounds.

Jelly Roll 48:52 Yeah, 500 plus. For-

Joe Rogan 48:53 Your legs must be sturdy as fuck.

Jelly Roll 48:55 No, dude, it's...

Joe Rogan 48:55 And if you could lose weight now, you're gonna have like super legs.

Jelly Roll 48:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Should like keep going?

Jelly Roll 48:59 No, Joe. Man, my goal is, when I come back and do this next year, it's going to be fucking insane.... like, I've never been more dialed in. I've never cared more about it, I'm... never been happier.

Joe Rogan 49:11 What are you eating? Like, what has he got you eating?

Jelly Roll 49:13 Oh, dude, man, he's here. He's, um... he's actually been really killing it for me. So, I had a... I've... from eating bad for so many years, my gut has just been fucked, so we've just been focusing on slowing down the gut. I'm only eating twice a day, I'm eating a fruit snack in between.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Do you ever do any fasting?

Jelly Roll 49:29 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:30 Yeah?

Jelly Roll 49:30 I'm f- I'm trying to fast one day a week now, just to work on, like, the autophagy, so some of these skin cells-

Joe Rogan 49:34 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 49:34 ... so I don't be as f-... I don't wanna be saggy. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 49:37 You ever-

Jelly Roll 49:37 Because I'm gonna lose that kind of weight.

Joe Rogan 49:38 You know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year?

Jelly Roll 49:43 For a year, and lost 200-something pounds.

Joe Rogan 49:45 I think he lost 300 pounds.

Jelly Roll 49:46 Yeah. I've watched that story.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Didn't he lose, like, 300 pounds? Something crazy like that. The dude had no food-

Jelly Roll 49:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:51 ... for... he just... and his fat shr- shrunk, but his skin shrunk too.

Jelly Roll 49:55 Yeah, that's what happens. It's called... uh, somebody told me, and I could have the name wrong here, y'all, but it's called autophagy. Have you heard of this?

Joe Rogan 50:01 I think autophagy is when your-

Jelly Roll 50:03 Ain't that where the skin cells?

Joe Rogan 50:04 Y- I think your body gets rid of all bad cells. This is, like, something that comes with fasting.

Jelly Roll 50:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:10 Bad cells is definitely not the scientific version of it.

Jelly Roll 50:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:13 But I think-

Jelly Roll 50:14 I think s- the way they explained it to me is it has something to do with the elixec- el- el- el- elaxis- elaxis... how do you say it?

Joe Rogan 50:19 Elasticity?

Jelly Roll 50:19 El- (laughs) elasticity of the skin.

Joe Rogan 50:21 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 50:21 And that is what helps, so that's why I wo-... one day a week, at least every other week, I'm just taking a full 24 hours.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Mm.

Jelly Roll 50:27 But I'm only eating probably eight or nine hours a day now anyway, so I'm kinda intermittent anyways.

Joe Rogan 50:31 That's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight, is that you got all this extra skin.

Jelly Roll 50:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Like, Ethan Suplee, he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up.

Jelly Roll 50:39 I've listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Really?

Jelly Roll 50:44 He has full three-hour podcasts, his first, th- here. Just, just to kinda... I love the way he thinks.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 50:50 It's just, you know-

Joe Rogan 50:50 He's a brilliant guy.

Jelly Roll 50:51 Yeah, I love... for me, I'm, I'm always looking for, like, inspiration. As, um, as a songwriter, we're always writing a song.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 50:59 You know, as a comedian, you're always looking for a joke, you know what I mean? So, um, that kinda... fi-... I'm always looking for that. So when I found that pod, I was like, "Oh, this dude and..." He kinda did the, did what I would... how he looks now is a dream scenario for me. He didn't get, like, crazy big, but he doesn't look, like, saggy sick. 'Cause sometimes when you go from being as big as we've gotten, you get down to 300 pounds and people start looking at you like, "Are you okay?"

Joe Rogan 51:24 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 51:24 And you're like, "I'm fucking better (laughs) than I've ever been." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:27 They're worried.

Jelly Roll 51:27 Yeah, they're worried.

Joe Rogan 51:28 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 51:28 You know, 'cause you c-... but they just couldn't imagine, you know what I mean? Even when I just told, um... I always forget his name, but your guy out there, the archer guy, um, worked at the archery store, great guy, but I was just telling him that I, um, I, I... yeah, same thing, same, same concept.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah, if you just keep going, you know, it'll become normal for you to not eat candy-

Jelly Roll 51:50 Lots-

Joe Rogan 51:50 ... normal for you to eat healthy food-

Jelly Roll 51:52 Lots-

Joe Rogan 51:52 ... it'll be what you crave.

Jelly Roll 51:54 Lots of protein, lots of, um, bone broth, counter potatoes. Anything that we're doing, whether it's rice or bone broth, we're not doing a lot of it, but when we do it, we're soaking it in, in bone broth, um, keeping it really clean protein style, kinda going low on fats to kinda get... let my liver kinda reset from just years of me eating foods, fatty foods and shitty greasies, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 52:16 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 52:16 So, just been kinda taking it slow, man. I'm, I'm enjoying it, though. The cool thing is, he, he did Bilal Muhammad's weight cut, he's worked with DC, this guy's-

Joe Rogan 52:23 Oh, okay.

Jelly Roll 52:23 I found him from that world. Um, so he really gets it, and-

Joe Rogan 52:27 That's a complicated science.

Jelly Roll 52:29 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 You get those guys, like Bilal's way over 170. I don't know what he weighs, but I gotta guess he's close to 200 pounds.

Jelly Roll 52:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:35 And he cuts down to 170-

Jelly Roll 52:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:37 ... perfectly.

Jelly Roll 52:38 Yeah, Ian does it every time. Said it's pretty effortless, man. Ian says that, uh, out of everybody, that Bilal is just insanely disciplined.

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 52:47 Do you know what I mean? Like, when he goes into camp, he's, like, a different dude.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Well, that dude does... uh, he's done camp in Ramadan.

Jelly Roll 52:53 Mm.

Joe Rogan 52:53 And, you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan.

Jelly Roll 52:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 So he would have to get up in the morning while it was dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything-

Jelly Roll 53:05 Do it two-a-day, probably.

Joe Rogan 53:06 ... and dr-... and no water-

Jelly Roll 53:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:07 ... and you're training.

Jelly Roll 53:08 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 53:08 And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat.

Jelly Roll 53:11 No, he's, he's a machine. That dude is complete-

Joe Rogan 53:14 That Leon Edwards fight was crazy.

Jelly Roll 53:16 I get to see him tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 53:17 He's a great guy, man.

Jelly Roll 53:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:18 He's a great guy. He really is. And, you know, the fact that he's the... that devout a Muslim, that he, you know, prays five times a day, like, he doesn't fuck around.

Jelly Roll 53:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Like, he's really by the book. He doesn't even swear.

Jelly Roll 53:28 No, he says "fudge."

Joe Rogan 53:29 Yeah. "What's the fudge?"

Jelly Roll 53:30 "Jelly, I'ma..." "Jelly, Jelly, Jelly, what the fudge are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah. He's crazy.

Jelly Roll 53:32 "When are you fudging... when are you coming to fudge in Chicago?" Um...

Joe Rogan 53:35 It's ridiculous. He's like this assassin, and he, you know, he won't swear.

Jelly Roll 53:39 I'm gonna get to see the two champs tomorrow. Or, y- um, I'll get to see him, and I'll get to see the Venezuelan Vixen.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Ah.

Jelly Roll 53:45 They're both coming. So him and Juliana are coming out to the show.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Nice. Chicago?

Jelly Roll 53:49 Yeah, I'm super excited, man.

Joe Rogan 53:50 Nice. Nice.

Jelly Roll 53:51 Album release night, Chicago, United Center, first time at the United Center.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Nice.

Jelly Roll 53:54 Big, big deal for me.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Chicago's always a great fucking town.

Jelly Roll 53:58 It's such... what's the comedy club down there?

Joe Rogan 54:00 Well, they have a, a few. They have, uh, what do they have, Zanies in Chicago, they have another one in Rosemont, there's, like, another Zanies.

Jelly Roll 54:06 The Dors-... the Dorfman brothers don't have nothing to do with that one though, do they?

Joe Rogan 54:09 I don't know. I don't know.

Jelly Roll 54:12 You never know down there.

Joe Rogan 54:13 That doesn't make sense if they don't.

Jelly Roll 54:15 Did you hear what they did to the Nashville Zanies?

Joe Rogan 54:16 Mm-mm.

Jelly Roll 54:17 So, you know, uh, Brian and them own that building, and the, through the back bar, the f-... so, you know, the Zanies door is here, the front door, not the door we go through, the front door? Whatever that place was right here, he's turned that into a place called The Lab now, and it's like a-

Joe Rogan 54:32 Oh.

Jelly Roll 54:32 ... 50-person smaller. It would be like the Little Boy.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Oh.

Jelly Roll 54:36 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 54:37 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 54:37 It'd be like the Little Boy, so he calls it The Lab at Zanies now.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Oh, that's nice.

Jelly Roll 54:41 Yeah, it's super. It's really, really cool.

Joe Rogan 54:43 They used to have a really good room at the Improv in Hollywood they called The Lab, and that's where Ari started, um, This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show, you know, the storyteller show? That all started in that lab. That was Ari's little baby that he created, and the, the old way the com-... the, uh, Improv, rather, used to be set up was amazing. You have the big room, and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar, but then they expanded it and make, made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door. They fucked the whole thing up.

Jelly Roll 55:15 Mm.

Joe Rogan 55:15 The whole thing's fucked now.

Jelly Roll 55:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:16 It used to be the stage was in the back, you... there wasn't a lot of noise in the room, and then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up. But at that time, that was what it was called, it was called The Lab.

Jelly Roll 55:27 Yeah, no, this place, they call it The Lab, it's beautiful. Speaking of that show, God, I'd love to see that show back.

Joe Rogan 55:33 ... that's not happening, yeah.

Jelly Roll 55:33 That show was so good.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Yeah, you know what happened with that?

Jelly Roll 55:37 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 55:37 You know how it all went down?

Jelly Roll 55:38 Uh-oh, please.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Ari, um, got an offer from Netflix to do a special, you know? He, he actually filmed his special and, uh, Comedy Central wanted it 'cause he was on Comedy Central. But Netflix was better for him, and they were pissed that he was gonna do the special on Netflix, so they fired him.

Jelly Roll 55:57 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:57 And he's like... He stuck to his guns, and then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while.

Jelly Roll 56:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:03 And that was the end of it. But that's why. It was because Ari wouldn't listen to that. They, they were trying to force him into doing a special on Comedy Central.

Jelly Roll 56:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yeah, and he's like, "No. Like I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central. This is crazy. Like you guys are forcing me."

Jelly Roll 56:16 And they tried to use the show.

Joe Rogan 56:18 They did use the show. They fired him.

Jelly Roll 56:19 How fucking petty is that?

Joe Rogan 56:20 They fired him. They fired him.

Jelly Roll 56:22 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 56:23 It was crazy.

Jelly Roll 56:24 And not to say, and not to say Roy Woods didn't do great with the show, but...

Joe Rogan 56:27 Oh, Roy Woods was great. I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods was-

Jelly Roll 56:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:30 ... took over. 'Cause first of all, Roy's hilarious, he's a great comic, but also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work.

Jelly Roll 56:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Ari was gonna take out a loan and he was gonna pay all the people that... All the camera people, all the crew. He was gonna pay everybody their salary.

Jelly Roll 56:45 Hmm. Just 'cause he felt bad.

Joe Rogan 56:47 He felt bad.

Jelly Roll 56:47 Damn.

Joe Rogan 56:48 And he was like, "This is not... I... This is not what I want. This is not my fault, but they're forcing me into it, and by principle, I have, I can't ge- just give in and say, 'Okay, I'm gonna do this at Comedy Central.'"

Jelly Roll 56:57 But just for, just for just us having fun today purposes, imagine if that show came back right now with Ari.

Joe Rogan 57:03 It could. It could come back.

Jelly Roll 57:05 In the, in the explosion that's happening right now?

Joe Rogan 57:07 Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix.

Jelly Roll 57:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 It's his show.

Jelly Roll 57:10 I would-

Joe Rogan 57:11 He called it... Now he calls it Ari Sh- Shaffir's Renamed Storyteller Show.

Jelly Roll 57:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:16 I think that's what he calls it.

Jelly Roll 57:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:17 He'll st- he still does it.

Jelly Roll 57:19 It's on-

Joe Rogan 57:19 But he should-

Jelly Roll 57:19 It's on Netflix now?

Joe Rogan 57:21 No, no, no. I said he should do it-

Jelly Roll 57:22 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 ... on Netflix.

Jelly Roll 57:23 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 57:23 But he'll still do, he'll still do live ones every now and then. He does live storyteller shows.

Jelly Roll 57:28 Oh. No, he should do it, man. It's... I'm thinking about guys like Brian. I would cry laughing to hear whatever his story was. I think about the Joey Diaz, the Mother Mary story of him-

Joe Rogan 57:37 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 57:37 ... going to that... You know, like there are stories on there that...

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yeah, everybody's got good stories too.

Jelly Roll 57:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:42 People have stories of some fucking nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you.

Jelly Roll 57:46 Yeah. No, it's crazy. I'd love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 57:51 If they ever did it, just try to like... I'd love to hear, you know, Jason Aldean tell a story. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:57 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 57:57 If he really... If he got with somebody backstage, like one of the homies, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 58:02 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 58:02 Like, if Rose Bud was back there with him and was like, "All right, let's tell me your best story and I'll punch it up." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 58:07 Right, right.

Jelly Roll 58:07 I think Jason Aldean would at least kill a six-minute story, you know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 58:11 Everybody's got at least one good story.

Jelly Roll 58:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:14 One that you could concoct.

Jelly Roll 58:15 Yeah, one that you could figure out.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Put it together the right way. Yeah.

Jelly Roll 58:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah, I think that's probably the... Really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.

Jelly Roll 58:21 Yeah. It's funny how s-... I love when po-... I love when anything you talk about has a theme, and this one has been storytelling. And that's, um... It's, it's all I ever wanted to do. Before I was writing songs, um, 'cause I knew that music could be written that way, I would just write these kind of stories for my mother, you know what I mean? I would just try to... You know, you know the story, we've talked about it a lot.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 58:45 But it was a way to connect with her even before music. And then when I found out music was her shit, I was like, "Oh, this is a double connection." Like, oh, this is... I'm doubling down on this.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 58:53 And I still to this day think I'm writing for my mama.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Wow.

Jelly Roll 58:56 Like to this day, I'm still like... When I'm really finishing a song, I'm thinking to myself, "I wonder what my mama would think about this." You know, in this really weird way.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 59:06 Like first thought. Like, "I wonder if Mama would like this." You know?

Joe Rogan 59:08 Wow.

Jelly Roll 59:08 Does this represent... And then the second thought is, "All right, why does this song exist?" That's always my second following thought, is... First of all is like, "Would my mama dig it?" And then the second is... (laughs) You know what I mean? It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:19 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 59:19 ... and the second is like, "Why does this exist," though? You know what I mean? What could it do? What purpose could it actually serve?

Joe Rogan 59:25 Right.

Jelly Roll 59:26 And if it's, uh... And it could be anything as much as it's just, you know, it just makes me happy, or it could make people happy, or it could make people move, is enough of a reason.

Joe Rogan 59:35 Out of these 100 plus songs that you've written recently, how many of them do you think you'll ever record?

Jelly Roll 59:41 I recorded probably 30 something of them.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Wow.

Jelly Roll 59:43 I'm gonna put out probably 28. And I think four or five will probably end up circulating next year through other artists that'll just cut some of the songs.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Hmm.

Jelly Roll 59:53 That just... 'Cause sometimes I'll write a song, Joe, but I'm just not the vessel.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Right.

Jelly Roll 59:58 And I know it when I'm writing it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Right.

Jelly Roll 1:00:00 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Do you hear it in a different voice? Like...

Jelly Roll 1:00:03 Sometimes, sometimes. But sometimes you just know that it's like, I couldn't sing this with a certain amount of conviction. You know, like for me personally. You know, it's not that I couldn't, um, you know, uh... It's... I don't know, I don't know if this is a good comparison, but it'd be like, I could write a song about hating my wife, but I could never sing it, because I don't really hate my wife.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Right.

Jelly Roll 1:00:26 I could never sing it with conviction. Now as an... As a songwriter, do I have the skillset to write a song about hating my wife? For sure. But would I ever sing one, and, and, and represent myself that way? And it's just not... Just I couldn't sing it with conviction. But there might be a guy in Nashville who just got his heart broke.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Well, you know Colter Wall's Kate McCannon?

Jelly Roll 1:00:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 That's the mother of all I hate my wife songs.

Jelly Roll 1:00:48 Oh, yeah. Insane.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 That's a crazy song. When the fact, the fact that dude was 21 when he sang that, you're like, "What?"

Jelly Roll 1:00:55 It sounds like he's 58.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 I believe in reincarnation.

Jelly Roll 1:00:58 I'm telling you, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 There's no other way. That doesn't make sense.

Jelly Roll 1:01:02 And if his story couldn't get any cooler, it's that he just doesn't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Doesn't give a fuck. Won't do podcasts.

Jelly Roll 1:01:07 No. For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 I tried so hard.

Jelly Roll 1:01:08 It's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 1:01:11 ... crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 1:01:11 He told Post Malone-

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 Ugh.

Jelly Roll 1:01:13 Post Malone hit him up, and Post was like, "Hey man, I'd love to work." And pretty much, he was like, "Yeah, if you ever want to come to the ranch, we can- we can maybe write a song or something." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:01:20 He was- he's like... Post is like, "If you want to fly to the middle of Canada-

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:01:23 ... we can write a song. But if you think I'm getting off this ranch to write with you, fuck no." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Yeah, he really works on a ranch.

Jelly Roll 1:01:28 Yeah. That's how- that's how Cody Johnson is too, though. Cody Johnson flies out on the w- He's a- it's- I joke with him all the time. I'm like, "You're a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends."

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Hm.

Jelly Roll 1:01:38 You like- 'cause you know, I mean, he plays music for real, but it's- he literally goes home and ranches Monday through Thursday. You'll FaceTime this dude, and he'll be out just in his ranch somewhere tagging cattle.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 That's amazing.

Jelly Roll 1:01:49 You know what I mean? And then Friday night, he'll fly and go sell out y- you know, three- two nights at the Staples Center Friday and Saturday.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 I have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it so resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone. (laughs)

Jelly Roll 1:02:01 Yeah, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 You're- you're like, "I want to live like that!"

Jelly Roll 1:02:04 So bad.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 "I want to hang out with the horses."

Jelly Roll 1:02:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 "Seems like a good time. Seems like everybody's all peaceful and shit."

Jelly Roll 1:02:10 We'll stay up and watch the rodeo late at night 'cause PBR plays on, uh, you know, TV or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:02:15 And I- dude, I watch that stuff. I don't know much about it, but I- I just can't quit watching. I think it's the wildest shit ever.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Yeah, I watch it for bursts, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries-

Jelly Roll 1:02:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 ... that these people are going to be receiving-

Jelly Roll 1:02:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 ... injuries and concussions, uh, they're just like, uh, you're like, "I gotta stop watching this."

Jelly Roll 1:02:30 Yeah. I love watching stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 (laughs)

Jelly Roll 1:02:31 ... that doesn't seem real though, right? Have you seen the- j- is it JB Mooney? Is that how you say his name?

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:02:36 Or is it Monie? It's Mooney, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 I think it's Mooney.

Jelly Roll 1:02:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Is it Monie or Mooney? You got me thinking now.

Jelly Roll 1:02:41 You know- Yeah, me too. But he is-

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 But that dude, he owns the- the cow that retired him. Yep.

Jelly Roll 1:02:45 It's crazy. How- wow-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Yeah.

Jelly Roll 1:02:46 How cool is that?

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Jelly Roll 1:02:47 Yeah. But we're talking about a dude that, you know, would inf- no helmet-

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Mm-hmm.

Jelly Roll 1:02:51 ... cigarette lit in his mouth.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Animal.

Jelly Roll 1:02:53 Like, oh just- when you look at s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Animal. Those dudes-

Jelly Roll 1:02:56 Every-

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 ... riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done.

Jelly Roll 1:03:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time.

Jelly Roll 1:03:06 No, it is-

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Jelly Roll 1:03:07 It is so American, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 And those guys-

Jelly Roll 1:03:09 And especially when he had the cigarette, you're just like, this- it almost looked like it was out of a movie, like somebody overcooked it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 And at the end, those guys are always broken.

Jelly Roll 1:03:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 Just everything's broken. We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider, and one of his arms, uh, his shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place.

Jelly Roll 1:03:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 So they had like five or six shoulder reconstructions.

Jelly Roll 1:03:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 It pops out sometimes. He has to pop it back in.

Jelly Roll 1:03:31 That is-

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Geez. Sick. It's crazy.

Jelly Roll 1:03:35 All from riding a-

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 A giant 2,000-pound animal-

Jelly Roll 1:03:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 ... that doesn't want you riding it.

Jelly Roll 1:03:39 With horns. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Geez.

Jelly Roll 1:03:40 And when it gets