Joe Rogan Experience #2220 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) Oh, well. Boy, I wish there was something to talk about. (laughs)

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin0:15

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs)

   6. FFFrancis Foster0:15

      (Laughs) You guys are coming here, I'm like, "I love these guys so much, too bad it's just there's nothing going on."

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin0:22

      Well, I heard you, you might have needed to cancel on us to get, uh, Kamala Harris on.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      I was not gonna do that. Um, I would've had to ... I knew you guys flew from England and I wasn't gonna cancel on you because I ... She had an opportunity to come in. It's almost, it's ... You could look at this and you could say, "Oh, you're being a diva." But she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Texas, and I, I literally gave them an open invitation. I said, "Anytime." I said, "If she's done at 10 o'clock, I'll, we'll come back here at 10 o'clock."

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin0:49

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I go, "I'll do it at 9:00 in the morning, I'll do it at 10:00 PM. I'll do it at midnight if she's up, she wants to, you know, drink a Red Bull, fucking party on."

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin0:57

       Yeah, but I think this idea that you're being a diva is silly, 'cause you were asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on. So their camp reached out to me. So I said, "Great, I would love to talk to her."

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin1:12

       Mm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       But it was very difficult to tie it down and a lot of them wanted to travel. And see, the, the thing is, like, you can't ... If, if I go somewhere then there's gonna be other people in the room, and they want to control a lot of things, I'm sure, according to the Brett Breier interview on Fox-

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin1:31

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       ... like people were waving him off.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin1:33

       (clears throat)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       That's a distraction.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin1:34

       Mm. Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       People in the room ... Like, my whole goal with her and with him is just talk, just s- have a conversation like a human being. You, you find out things about people, you get a sense of them at least, a real sense. That was it. I don't give a fuck what we talk about, I really don't.

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin1:49

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       I just, I just wanna talk to you. Who the fuck are you?

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin1:53

       Do they-

   24. FFFrancis Foster1:53

       (laughs)

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin1:53

       Do you think they think that you're on his side and they're more wary of you?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       I don't know. I mean, there's, uh ... Just because of my appearance there's always been this assumption that I'm some right-wing MAGA guy. Just, I was a Bernie supporter.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin2:07

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       You know, I, I am, um, not ... I'm a politically homeless person-

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin2:11

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       ... for sure. You know, I always considered myself a, a left-wing person. I never thought I would ever vote right wing. But then the f- the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way, and it just made me, o- over time, much more aware of what this stuff is really all about. 'Cause what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have, and it overpowers all discussions. It overpowers what's good for the collective group, it overpowers everything. It's just people pick a fucking team and then whatever that team says, it, they can do no harm, they will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      lose their friends. They come back and then they're supposed to just integrate and there's no fucking program that can help you do that. There's ... You're on your own and you've got to sort through what you've seen-

   2. FFFrancis Foster15:12

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... that's so different than all these people around you. You have to sort through seeing your friends die. You have to sort through c- having to kill people.

   4. FFFrancis Foster15:20

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      You have to sort through that and just exist. And then there's a tremendous amount of veterans who commit suicide. It's a crazy number. And psychedelics are proven to help that. So the fact that there's s- some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another that is bad, that this thing that doesn't kill anybody, literally, like the LD50 rate for psilocybin is something insane. It's like you have to take ... Well, it's like 100 pounds of it or something. I don't know what it is. Like let's find out what's the LD50 rate, which means lethal dose at 50% of the population.

   6. FFFrancis Foster15:53

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:53

      Like w- what kills half the people. It's like you can't do it.

   8. FFFrancis Foster15:56

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      It's not ... That's not what the concern is. Are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do it? Yeah. Yeah, there is concerns.

   10. FFFrancis Foster16:03

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       It ain't ... It's not a fucking free ride, you know? There's some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already. They shouldn't be doing that. But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place. And one of the ways to make the world a better place is to make people more kind, more compassionate-

   12. FFFrancis Foster16:24

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       ... and more understanding. And that's something that psychedelics provides. And the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information-rich time alive. There's so much access to information. We all know what they really are and what they're not, and yet this organization that somehow or another, this shadow organization that controls what we do, tells you you can't have that. If you have it, you go to jail. That's bananas. That doesn't make any sense. And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there's going to be s- a better horizon, a better future. They would think that all these things are so ... It takes so long. Just for marijuana. Look, marijuana's still not federally legal-

   14. FFFrancis Foster17:12

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       ... but it's legal in like half the states. It took so long for people ... Where they're drinking whiskey on every fucking corner.

   16. FFFrancis Foster17:19

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       People are just doing shots and drinking tequila, and marijuana's something that gets you locked in a cage. As long as something like that exists that's preposterous and b- completely illogical, the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic.

   18. FFFrancis Foster17:36

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       'Cause it ... They don't have to ... It doesn't have to make sense. Fuck you, you're going to jail. (laughs)

   20. FFFrancis Foster17:41

       (laughs)

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin17:41

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       You know? And it's ... As long as they say that, you're like, "Ah!" We raise your taxes, you gotta pay them. Fuck you, you're going to jail. But the fucking Constitution ... Shut up.

   23. FFFrancis Foster17:49

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       So if, if there's like an illegal situation like that, or, or an illogical situation like that, rather, it, it makes you lose faith in the whole system.

   25. FFFrancis Foster17:58

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       But when someone like RFK Jr. comes along and says, "Hey, I think we can fix this," it's like give him a fucking chance.

   27. FFFrancis Foster18:06

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       Maybe he can. Maybe he can fix this whole health system where we've been co-opted by these, these giant organizations that want you to make money.

   29. FFFrancis Foster18:15

       Do you know, we interviewed on the show-

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       Or want to make money off you, rather.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Really? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      him, I go, "Dude, that's the one that's gonna get you stabbed."

   2. KKKonstantin Kisin30:02

      Really?

   3. FFFrancis Foster30:03

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Yes. And he used to talk about it on stage saying, "Joe Rogan always says, 'That's the one that's gonna get me stabbed.'" Like...

   5. FFFrancis Foster30:11

      Wow.

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin30:11

      Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Which is so crazy.

   8. FFFrancis Foster30:13

      Yeah.

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin30:13

      I think you'd pick stabbed-

   10. FFFrancis Foster30:14

       (laughs)

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin30:14

       ... at this point given the shit that's going down. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       I think, I think it'll blow over-

   13. FFFrancis Foster30:18

       Yeah. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       ... just like all these things do.

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin30:19

       Yeah, of course.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       And there's, there's people that are, that are always gonna hate someone like Tony, and it's gonna make other people love him more. It's just like, he's going through it right now.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin30:27

       Yeah.

   18. FFFrancis Foster30:27

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       He's going through the storm.

   20. FFFrancis Foster30:29

       As somebody who, you know, has wound up, you know, who winds people up, we... You know, we've wound people up on our time.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Oh, you guys are winders. (laughs)

   22. FFFrancis Foster30:36

       (laughs)

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin30:36

       (laughs)

   24. FFFrancis Foster30:37

       We get called something beginning with W, like... (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       Oh, you guys, that's a, a negative over there, wanker.

   26. FFFrancis Foster30:43

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       You can call someone a wanker here and it's just like-

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin30:45

       Yeah, sure.

   29. FFFrancis Foster30:45

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       It's like calling them a cracker.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   But this is the…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      of free to talk about anything. And-

   2. FFFrancis Foster45:04

      But this is the thing that is fascinating about that Scottish bill.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      That's it. Myra Breckinridge. I bought it on DVD.

   4. FFFrancis Foster45:10

      I'm not surprised, mate.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Because you can't, you can't stream it anywhere.

   6. FFFrancis Foster45:13

      That's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Raquel Welch. First of all, the idea that any man could ever look like Raquel Welch. Like, shut the fuck up. Unless she's in Thailand.

   8. FFFrancis Foster45:20

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      This is not... (laughs) The picture was controversial for its sexual explicitness, including acts like female on male rape. But u- unlike the novel, received little to no critical praise, and has been cited as one of the worst films ever made.

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin45:36

       (laughs)

   11. FFFrancis Foster45:36

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       (laughs) In subsequent decades, the film has developed a cult following. It's a crazy movie.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin45:42

       Yeah.

   14. FFFrancis Foster45:42

       It's, it's so interesting, like, the way that we... You know, things were seeded at one point in culture, and now they've become mainstream. Now, I was, uh... I was at the gym, and then the, the words... Uh, the, the, the song Lola by The Kinks came on.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       Yeah. Yeah.

   16. FFFrancis Foster45:56

       Yeah.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin45:56

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Transgender song.

   19. FFFrancis Foster45:57

       Yeah. "I'm not dumb but I can't understand/ Why she walks like a woman and talks like a man, La Lola."

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Yeah. (laughs)

   21. FFFrancis Foster46:03

       (singing) La Lola, Lola.

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin46:04

       (singing) La Lola, Lola.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Yeah. Yeah. It's a great fucking song.

   24. FFFrancis Foster46:07

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Yeah.

   26. FFFrancis Foster46:08

       And then you listen to it, and you go, "This is really progressive." And then it ends with, um, "I know what she is, she's a man." So... And then I'm like, "Well, you'd get canceled for this bit now."

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Bro, you know the craziest song? The craziest song is Brown Sugar.

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin46:21

       Oh, yeah.

   29. FFFrancis Foster46:21

       Oh, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       You know Rolling Stone doesn't even play Brown Sugar anymore? I went to see them in concert, and they- they said they would not pl- play... I mean, they've already said it in interviews. They was like, "It's too controversial a song." And then I saw the lyrics. Like, I had only heard the song. I had never, like, read the lyrics.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:39

   Joe, can I ask…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      that, those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk. You know, you have live cameras in front of you and all these people, and already she's got to be aware of how many people are hating on her. She has to be aware. She has to be aware of how many people don't think she deserves a spot, she just got in.

   2. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:18

      Joe, can I ask you something? Who's the "they," right? Th- this is the thing I'm genuinely wondering. Who's the "they" that's trying to get Bernie not to run? Who's the "they"?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      Well, first of all, it's the DNC, clearly, if you read Donna Rice's book, the DNC clearly-

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:34

      But there's got to be, like, one guy or one gal at the top of that, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

      I don't think so. I think there's an organization. I think, you know, you, you got your Nancy Pelosis and all the people that are in power. And one thing to consider if you're, you're thinking about, like, well, like, why would they want Kamala Harris over anybody else? Because first of all, everybody who works in the administration right now is in the Biden-Harris administration. They'd like to keep those jobs.

   6. FFFrancis Foster1:00:55

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

      "I like to keep this job."

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:57

      That makes sense, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

      "What do I have to do to keep this job?" And those are essentially the people that are running the show because-

   10. FFFrancis Foster1:01:02

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       ... she's busy and he's not there. So, like, those people want to keep their jobs. So that's what you're experiencing right now.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:09

       But, man, you know... Sorry, Francis, just to finish something-

   13. JVJamie Vernon1:01:11

       No, it's fine. Yeah.

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:12

       Like, it sounds like a trite and rather obvious thing to say, but you're running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Right.

   16. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:22

       You got to be able to fucking talk, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       (laughs)

   18. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:25

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Yes, yes. Well, if a primary-

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:29

       We don't even say this because it's so fucking obvious, but, but you got to be able to communicate.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       Well, that's why we have primaries, right? That's what pri-... Because being a leader is a little bit more than having qualifications, right? It's being able to execute in real time under pressure. That's what those debates are all about. It's not just about, like, who's got the better ideas. You could have them both write an article and find out who's got the better ideas.

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:51

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       It's about seeing them kind of perform under pressure and respond under pressure. We want to see how you handle the cooker. That's why we like those crowds, you know, when you do...... those debates in front of crowds. It's a bigger cooker.

   24. FFFrancis Foster1:02:05

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       You know? W- we're trying to figure out whether or not you can handle it. And by having no primary, and having her just go right through, and then keeping RFK Jr. away from Biden even before that, like, this does not give a lot of people faith that you are following the ideals that this country was founded on. And if you're just... If you're going on your own way just because you wanna win, okay, you've kind of taken over this system and subverted it. You've changed it.

   26. FFFrancis Foster1:02:32

       Well, let's say you get elected though. You're gonna be sitting across from Xi Jinping-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

       Yeah.

   28. FFFrancis Foster1:02:36

       ... and Vladimir Putin.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       Right.

   30. FFFrancis Foster1:02:39

       If you can't fucking talk-

Episode duration: 3:29:55