Joe Rogan Experience #2220 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) Oh, well. Boy, I wish there was something to talk about. (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 0:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:15 (laughs)

Francis Foster 0:15 (Laughs) You guys are coming here, I'm like, "I love these guys so much, too bad it's just there's nothing going on."

Konstantin Kisin 0:22 Well, I heard you, you might have needed to cancel on us to get, uh, Kamala Harris on.

Joe Rogan 0:27 I was not gonna do that. Um, I would've had to ... I knew you guys flew from England and I wasn't gonna cancel on you because I ... She had an opportunity to come in. It's almost, it's ... You could look at this and you could say, "Oh, you're being a diva." But she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Texas, and I, I literally gave them an open invitation. I said, "Anytime." I said, "If she's done at 10 o'clock, I'll, we'll come back here at 10 o'clock."

Konstantin Kisin 0:49 Mm.

Joe Rogan 0:50 I go, "I'll do it at 9:00 in the morning, I'll do it at 10:00 PM. I'll do it at midnight if she's up, she wants to, you know, drink a Red Bull, fucking party on."

Konstantin Kisin 0:57 Yeah, but I think this idea that you're being a diva is silly, 'cause you were asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05 Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on. So their camp reached out to me. So I said, "Great, I would love to talk to her."

Konstantin Kisin 1:12 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:13 But it was very difficult to tie it down and a lot of them wanted to travel. And see, the, the thing is, like, you can't ... If, if I go somewhere then there's gonna be other people in the room, and they want to control a lot of things, I'm sure, according to the Brett Breier interview on Fox-

Konstantin Kisin 1:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... like people were waving him off.

Konstantin Kisin 1:33 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:33 That's a distraction.

Konstantin Kisin 1:34 Mm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:34 People in the room ... Like, my whole goal with her and with him is just talk, just s- have a conversation like a human being. You, you find out things about people, you get a sense of them at least, a real sense. That was it. I don't give a fuck what we talk about, I really don't.

Konstantin Kisin 1:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:50 I just, I just wanna talk to you. Who the fuck are you?

Konstantin Kisin 1:53 Do they-

Francis Foster 1:53 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 1:53 Do you think they think that you're on his side and they're more wary of you?

Joe Rogan 1:57 I don't know. I mean, there's, uh ... Just because of my appearance there's always been this assumption that I'm some right-wing MAGA guy. Just, I was a Bernie supporter.

Konstantin Kisin 2:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:07 You know, I, I am, um, not ... I'm a politically homeless person-

Konstantin Kisin 2:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:11 ... for sure. You know, I always considered myself a, a left-wing person. I never thought I would ever vote right wing. But then the f- the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way, and it just made me, o- over time, much more aware of what this stuff is really all about. 'Cause what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have, and it overpowers all discussions. It overpowers what's good for the collective group, it overpowers everything. It's just people pick a fucking team and then whatever that team says, it, they can do no harm, they will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest-

Konstantin Kisin 2:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:00 ... extreme version of that, whether it's ANTIFA or the Proud Boys, they'll minimalize the ... (sighs) It's the same thing, man. It's the same thing. If you look at what's going on with the Liberals right now ... So progressives are, w- they want the war in Ukraine to be funded, they want to censor speech online, and they want to give the World Health Organization, which is deeply influenced by big pharma, including the FDA, deeply influenced, the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies is legendary. And they wanna give them control over what we take and what we don't take-

Konstantin Kisin 3:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:33 ... and that's crazy. And that doesn't make sense, 'cause that's not what the Liberals were when I was a kid.

Konstantin Kisin 3:39 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:40 My parents were hippies, you know, we lived, we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War. My parents were, like, straight up hippies. That's how I was raised. And so for me it was always like the Liberals were the ones who wanted education and open-mindedness. The Liberals who were the ones with the ACLU let the Nazis-

Konstantin Kisin 3:59 Mm.

Joe Rogan 3:59 ... talk and w- let them have a rally. They said, "You can't infringe on people's free speech, because if you infringe on the speech of people that you disagree with, you're being a fucking hypocrite." You gotta ... The, the only solution to bad speech is better speech. We've always known that.

Konstantin Kisin 4:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:14 But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective that you should have as an education- e- educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who's right, and you might be wrong, you might be wrong, and you might be clinging-

Konstantin Kisin 4:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:37 ... to this idea that you're right, and you're gonna do the whole thing a terrible disservice.

Francis Foster 4:42 You know, the thing that I loved about the left, Joe, was the anti-establishment left.

Joe Rogan 4:47 (inhales) Yeah.

Francis Foster 4:47 The left that were like, "You know, we're gonna challenge authority, we're gonna, we're, we're not gonna listen-

Joe Rogan 4:51 Yeah.

Francis Foster 4:51 ... to w- you know, what the party's in charge may be saying." You know, the, what I l- used to listen to Bill Hicks when I was a kid-

Konstantin Kisin 4:58 Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 4:58 ... when I was 19 and go, "Oh." You know, that's, to me, was like a totem of the left.

Konstantin Kisin 5:04 Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 5:04 But you just look at, you know, what happened to the left and w- and what I saw b- in my own country and here, and it, and it just seemed like this herd mentality came in. And the moment you stopped, you, you started questioning or pushing back, it was the moment you just found yourself exiled from the group. And it, it just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah, because it's bullshit. And I think we should even stop calling it the left and the right-

Francis Foster 5:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:35 ... 'cause it's just tribes.

Konstantin Kisin 5:36 Mm.

Francis Foster 5:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:37 It really, that, and that, that is the real prob- ... When, when you have people that are supposedly progressive and liberal and they're opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an American citizen, it's very, very important. It's very important.

Konstantin Kisin 5:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:54 'Cause it's the, 'cause too many people can decide what you can and can't say. Like when Tim Walz was saying, like, free speech doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation, well ...Of course, it does. First of all, of course, it does. But also, you said misinformation? Okay. Well, if that's the case, like where is all the punishment of all the people that spread misinformation during COVID?

Konstantin Kisin 6:16 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Like, where is the call?

Konstantin Kisin 6:17 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Where, where is the call for accountability? It's nonexistent. It's not real. They don't really care about misinformation. They care about controlling information.

Konstantin Kisin 6:27 100%, man. And, uh, look, this is gonna sound like a party political point. It's not intended to be, but if we look at the facts, uh, (laughs) from 2016 onwards, we've heard a lot of misinformation.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Yes, a lot.

Konstantin Kisin 6:39 The h- A lot of it, right?

Joe Rogan 6:40 A lot of it.

Konstantin Kisin 6:40 And nobody ever got punished for that. Nobody ever went to prison.

Joe Rogan 6:43 Some of those people are still in positions of power.

Konstantin Kisin 6:45 And still supposedly the respected arbiters of truth and morality in our society.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Sure, they're still making appearances on these, uh, cable news talk shows.

Konstantin Kisin 6:54 Yeah. And look-

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Konstantin Kisin 8:53 I think the concern about inaccurate information is perfectly valid and a legitimate thing for us to worry about in an ecosystem where information travels so quickly. It's not an illegitimate thing to, to be-

Joe Rogan 9:05 Absolutely.

Konstantin Kisin 9:05 ... concerned about. But you can't have one side lie, call the other side out for its lies, and then go, "Only that is misinformation." What we say, that's, "Oh, oh, yeah, we said it, but we forgot about it, it's fine."

Joe Rogan 9:18 This-

Konstantin Kisin 9:19 You can't do that.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Also, this is, this is inherent problem with business being entangled in information. And that's what happened when these tech companies exploded.

Konstantin Kisin 9:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:29 So, business, an enormous business, not small business, business like Google, and Facebook, and Apple, and these are huge businesses. And all of a sudden, they are in charge of information. Not necessarily Apple, but in a way-

Konstantin Kisin 9:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:44 ... 'cause they, they have, like banned people from the Apple Store and banned people from ... But it's, they're, they're businesses, an enor- enormous businesses, but they're super left wing.

Konstantin Kisin 9:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Not just super left wing, but like super woke left wing.

Konstantin Kisin 9:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Which is like kind of the craziest version of it, where it just n- there's no room for negotiation. There's n- anybody who disagrees is a fascist. It gets, like real weird. It gets real weird with ideas. So, you have for the first time ever, human beings are capable of, just with a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power. That device has ... First of all, you can be on it for, like what? 20 hours now, the new ones?

Konstantin Kisin 10:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:25 They're, like 20-hour battery life of just you staring at a fucking screen all day. And you're ge- getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way.

Konstantin Kisin 10:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:37 And it's almost all in the hands of left wing.

Konstantin Kisin 10:42 Mm.

Joe Rogan 10:42 The left wing party is, uh, Google, it's Facebook, it's all these companies that have massive power. And until Elon stepped in and bought Twitter, there was no counter to that.

Konstantin Kisin 10:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:54 It was just one side, and that's where things get really weird 'cause businesses like to have monopolies, they like to crush things. And if you have the monopoly of information, you get essentially Microsoft in information form.

Konstantin Kisin 11:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:08 You know? When they had the antitrust lawsuits against Microsoft, and people worried that it's a monopoly. And there's, uh, people think that about Google now. And there's even conversations about Apple being a monopoly. Businesses love that. They love to kick ass.

Konstantin Kisin 11:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:20 You know? They love to fucking dominate the business. Your, your goal, if you run a business, you literally have a, uh, you have a obligation to your shareholders that you continually grow the business.

Konstantin Kisin 11:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:30 There's only one way to do that, kids.

Konstantin Kisin 11:31 (laughs) Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:31 You gotta kick some fucking ass. And, and, if, if you, if you're the biggest thing, and what, what is in your interest? Well, definitely controlling the information.

Konstantin Kisin 11:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:40 We would like to control the information. And we also want some cultural beach balls that we could chuck around so people, like get distracted and throw 'em back and forth-

Konstantin Kisin 11:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:48 ... at each other. There's a bunch of Republicans that love the fact that there's these gender-affirming care centers. They love it 'cause it gives them something to yell about. It gives them something ... Like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of 'em fund these things.

Konstantin Kisin 11:59 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:59 Some people are fucking crazy.

Konstantin Kisin 12:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:01 They're fucking crazy, especially if they found out it was profitable. Maybe they got a fucking, some sort of a fund, and part of it is ... But, you know, these are privately owned businesses. The whole thing is just human tribal characteristics applied to the way we're supposed to, like co-exist with each other and share the space. And it's all fucked up. (laughs) It's all fucked up-

Konstantin Kisin 12:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 ... because it's the Cowboys-

Konstantin Kisin 12:24 Well-

Joe Rogan 12:24 ... versus the Raiders. (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 12:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:26 And no one's thinking straight.

Konstantin Kisin 12:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 But-

Konstantin Kisin 12:28 That's, uh, true. At election time especially-

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 12:30 ... it becomes like that. But I am hopeful. This election, I think there is one thing going on, which I'm actually really hopeful about, which is-

Joe Rogan 12:37 Mm-hmm.

Konstantin Kisin 12:37 ... w- you know, you had Trump on, on Friday. Like, the conversation is moving from the clickbait, five-second mainstream media, journalist will tell you what to think, to a three-hour conversation, you get to see the real person. If that continues, which it will, and by the time of the next election, this format will be the dominant format, I think, the type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person than the type of person who's selected on 10-second sound bites on mainstream media.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Well, you certainly have a way better grasp of who they are.

Konstantin Kisin 13:14 But w- the, the medium is the message. It will change the type of person that succeeds-

Francis Foster 13:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Right.

Konstantin Kisin 13:20 ... in that format.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Right. The Viveks will rise.

Konstantin Kisin 13:22 Right.

Francis Foster 13:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 13:23 And, and that gives us a chance, actually, to change the political leadership in Western elites, which is ... it, it's badly needed. And we've been talking about it for God knows how many years now, that the caliber of people coming through is not high enough. Right?

Francis Foster 13:37 Right.

Konstantin Kisin 13:39 If this format takes over, that will change. And I don't know, g- it might just be b- a small blip on the road down to oblivion, but it might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we elect.

Francis Foster 13:49 Okay.

Konstantin Kisin 13:49 And that's exciting.

Joe Rogan 13:49 There's a bunch of people that are out there now that I'm very excited about. One of them is Vivek.

Francis Foster 13:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:54 A big one is Tulsi Gabbard.

Konstantin Kisin 13:55 Mm.

Joe Rogan 13:56 And RFK Jr., of course. Um, I love that guy. I love what he's done his entire career, and I love what he's trying to do with health. I mean, this is a real issue that we all face and we're all being poisoned and-

Francis Foster 14:09 Mm.

Joe Rogan 14:09 ... they're profiting off of it and we're not doing shit about it. Meanwhile, you stop psychedelics from being given to veterans to help them with PTSD. It doesn't make any sense.

Francis Foster 14:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:19 This makes zero fucking sense. And s- they have so much control over what you say and do, because if you can decide that something is n- it's unsuitable for the population, like, like the drug schedule program they have in the United States, right? They have schedule one, two, and three-

Francis Foster 14:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:38 ... depending upon if there's any medicinal use for it. And psychedelics were all on schedule one. That is crazy. If you're telling me there's no medicinal use, you, you could get thousands of people to testify in Congress about soldiers, in particular. I know so many-

Francis Foster 14:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:53 ... soldiers. No one prepares them for that. They go over there when they're 19 years old and they see people get blown up. They lose their friends. They come back and then they're supposed to just integrate and there's no fucking program that can help you do that. There's ... You're on your own and you've got to sort through what you've seen-

Francis Foster 15:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:12 ... that's so different than all these people around you. You have to sort through seeing your friends die. You have to sort through c- having to kill people.

Francis Foster 15:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:20 You have to sort through that and just exist. And then there's a tremendous amount of veterans who commit suicide. It's a crazy number. And psychedelics are proven to help that. So the fact that there's s- some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another that is bad, that this thing that doesn't kill anybody, literally, like the LD50 rate for psilocybin is something insane. It's like you have to take ... Well, it's like 100 pounds of it or something. I don't know what it is. Like let's find out what's the LD50 rate, which means lethal dose at 50% of the population.

Francis Foster 15:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Like w- what kills half the people. It's like you can't do it.

Francis Foster 15:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:56 It's not ... That's not what the concern is. Are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do it? Yeah. Yeah, there is concerns.

Francis Foster 16:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:03 It ain't ... It's not a fucking free ride, you know? There's some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already. They shouldn't be doing that. But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place. And one of the ways to make the world a better place is to make people more kind, more compassionate-

Francis Foster 16:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:24 ... and more understanding. And that's something that psychedelics provides. And the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information-rich time alive. There's so much access to information. We all know what they really are and what they're not, and yet this organization that somehow or another, this shadow organization that controls what we do, tells you you can't have that. If you have it, you go to jail. That's bananas. That doesn't make any sense. And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there's going to be s- a better horizon, a better future. They would think that all these things are so ... It takes so long. Just for marijuana. Look, marijuana's still not federally legal-

Francis Foster 17:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:12 ... but it's legal in like half the states. It took so long for people ... Where they're drinking whiskey on every fucking corner.

Francis Foster 17:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:20 People are just doing shots and drinking tequila, and marijuana's something that gets you locked in a cage. As long as something like that exists that's preposterous and b- completely illogical, the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic.

Francis Foster 17:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:36 'Cause it ... They don't have to ... It doesn't have to make sense. Fuck you, you're going to jail. (laughs)

Francis Foster 17:41 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 17:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:41 You know? And it's ... As long as they say that, you're like, "Ah!" We raise your taxes, you gotta pay them. Fuck you, you're going to jail. But the fucking Constitution ... Shut up.

Francis Foster 17:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:49 So if, if there's like an illegal situation like that, or, or an illogical situation like that, rather, it, it makes you lose faith in the whole system.

Francis Foster 17:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:58 But when someone like RFK Jr. comes along and says, "Hey, I think we can fix this," it's like give him a fucking chance.

Francis Foster 18:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Maybe he can. Maybe he can fix this whole health system where we've been co-opted by these, these giant organizations that want you to make money.

Francis Foster 18:15 Do you know, we interviewed on the show-

Joe Rogan 18:17 Or want to make money off you, rather.

Francis Foster 18:18 Yeah, absolutely. You know, on, on our show, uh, we interviewed a guy called, um, Dave- Dr. David Nutt, who's a neuropharmacologist, and he's in charge of, uh, the hallucinogenic trials in Imperial College London, looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate PTSD, anxiety, other types of mental health disorders, and depression. And the results that are coming out of there are fantastic. There is actually showing that a lot of drugs like psilocybin are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when it comes to alleviating conditions like depression. And it's really impressive what they're doing.

Joe Rogan 18:56 It i- i- uh, you know, I've talked to a lot of g- uh, what is this? What is this, Jamie? I can't hear you, buddy.Oh, the LD50 rate?

Konstantin Kisin 19:07 Yeah. That's the one you need to find.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Oh, so ... Your- your mic's not on, brother.

Konstantin Kisin 19:09 It better be. Probably.

Francis Foster 19:10 Joe, sorry.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Sorry.

Francis Foster 19:11 Could you pass the lighter please, Mike?

Joe Rogan 19:12 Yeah, sorry.

Francis Foster 19:13 Oh, thank you, sir.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Jamie's got the- he has to have the mic down because Carl's snoring.

Jamie Vernon 19:19 Carl is pretty active. (laughs)

Francis Foster 19:20 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 19:20 He's now asleep, so it's probably a little safer but ... That was the LD50.

Francis Foster 19:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:24 Bro, when he snores, he fucking puts in some work, that little dude.

Jamie Vernon 19:27 Th- this is the best I could find. That was pr- uh, 280 per milligrams per c- or mg to kg, which is really hard to understand.

Joe Rogan 19:33 So it's 154 pounds.

Jamie Vernon 19:35 No, no. So 400 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 For an average-sized individual. Oh, that's the weight of the average-sized individual.

Jamie Vernon 19:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:40 So the lethal dose, 50%, is ... okay, hmm.

Jamie Vernon 19:44 Normal dose would be 20 to 30.

Joe Rogan 19:45 It says no ... it actually says no lethal overdose potential. It says it's there's no potential for dying. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 19:52 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:52 The recommended therapeutic dose for optimum effects is 20 to 30 milligrams for an average-sized individual, uh, 70 kilograms or 154 pounds, for whom the medium lethal dose, LD50, is 19,600 milligrams, making it virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of psilocybin. But boy, if you got close ...

Francis Foster 20:14 Oh, mama.

Joe Rogan 20:16 You might figure everything out.

Francis Foster 20:17 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 20:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:17 So you just get- get to the door, and you might be able to come back with enough information, like, "I've solved it! I solved it!"

Francis Foster 20:25 You know, wha- wha- I- I did, um ... I- I probably told you about this before, but I invited a shaman around to my house a couple of years ago, and I did a psilocybin trip.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah.

Francis Foster 20:35 And the results of it were so profound. They changed the way I looked at the world. And I remember coming out after that the next day going, "Oh, all you're doing, all you really are is a conduit for energy."

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yes.

Francis Foster 20:48 "That's all you are. You're a conduit for positive energy or light, or you're a conduit for dark."

Joe Rogan 20:53 Yes.

Francis Foster 20:53 "And that's really your choice as a human being. Do you wanna put light and love out into the world, or do you want to put dark?"

Joe Rogan 20:59 Yeah.

Francis Foster 20:59 "Because we have both of those fundamentally contained within our soul. So it's up to you as an individual, what do you want to put out there? And if you wanna put out light and love, you're gonna get back light and love. And if you wanna put darkness, anger, destruction, you know what? That is gonna come back on you three-fold."

Joe Rogan 21:15 It's true.

Jamie Vernon 21:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:16 It really is true. It seems so simplistic, and ideally, "Oh, that's such a utopian version of the world," but for the most part, there's something real to it, and you- you do sense that. You do sense that sometimes in life, you know? There's a- there's these like beautiful moments in life where you're kinda like, "Oh," like, "this can be navigated. This life can be navigated better."

Jamie Vernon 21:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:38 And one of the best ways to navigate life is to avoid conflict at all- at all costs. It never solves anything, it almost always creates problems. And people that want conflict all the time are the most miserable people.

Jamie Vernon 21:49 Mm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:49 They're just constantly embroiled in hate and anger and trying to get people back. And, uh, I think people ... that's the negative thing that people associate with Trump.

Jamie Vernon 21:59 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:59 The negative thing that people associate with Trump is if, like, you hit him, he's hitting you back harder. Like, he's got this thing, you know? Like, (laughs) he called some lady that, uh ... y- you know, one of the ladies that he allegedly had an affair with, he called her horse face on Twitter while he's a sitting president. That is so crazy. So that bothers people 'cause it's like that kinda energy, you know? We don't like that kinda energy, and I think that's something that people are very apprehensive about for a leader.

Konstantin Kisin 22:27 Sure. What was your sense of his energy when he was here?

Joe Rogan 22:30 It's ... he's very charming, right? So he's very friendly to me, and, uh, he ... also, we have a very good mutual friend, Dana White.

Konstantin Kisin 22:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Dana White loves him. He stuck up for Dana when MMA was a- a banned sport, and he let them put on his events in, uh, in Trump, uh, Trump Casino in Atlantic City. And so Dana loves the guy, and they've always had a good friendship, you know? Um, he got mad at me one time because I said that RFK Jr. was the only, uh, guy that makes sense. But I was essentially saying it the same way I'm saying it here.

Jamie Vernon 23:04 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:04 It's like with RFK Jr., is he talks about facts and talks about reality and he talks about issues and he talks about, like, studies and what we know about things. He's just brilliant with his recall. And he doesn't attack people, and I think we could all use more of that.

Jamie Vernon 23:19 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Even if he's writing something about something, like in that book, The Real Anthony Fauci, it's because it's true, and it's- it's not good information, and it affects all of us. It's not- he's not, like, personally attacking someone. And I think th- that personal attack stuff is what bothers people. And so what did he do? He just attacked me. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 23:39 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 23:39 (laughs)

Francis Foster 23:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:39 But he attacked me in the craziest way. He said, uh, "W- I wonder how loud Joe Rogan's gonna get booed at the next time he goes to the UFC." I'm like, "Hey, bro, like, outta all the places."

Konstantin Kisin 23:49 That's kinda your home court, right there. (laughs)

Francis Foster 23:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:51 Outta all the places where you think I'm gonna get booed. Come on, man.

Jamie Vernon 23:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Those fucking people ... I've been working for that company for 27 years.

Francis Foster 23:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Like, whatever it's been. I mean, ni- yeah, when did I start? I started in '97. That was the first time I worked for the UFC. Like, come on.

Francis Foster 24:05 I-

Joe Rogan 24:05 That's a crazy thing to say.

Jamie Vernon 24:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Or how about, "I hate Taylor Swift"?

Francis Foster 24:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:08 I forgot to ask him about that one. Did he really tweet that? I think he put it on Truth Social when she endorsed Kamala Harris, if you-

Jamie Vernon 24:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:15 ... all capital letters, "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT."

Francis Foster 24:17 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 24:17 I think he- he just has this rule.

Joe Rogan 24:19 That is so crazy. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 24:20 Like, he just has to go out- go after anyone who says anything negative about him.

Francis Foster 24:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:24 It's why he's still in the game, though.

Francis Foster 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 This is ... you have to realize, like, that's the kinda guy that even though they throw 40 felonies at him, he's still in the game, and he's still all day ... He sat here for three fucking hours, man.

Jamie Vernon 24:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:38 And then didn't have to pee before, didn't have to pee afterwards. Just gets on the fucking plane, flies to Michigan, does the other thing, he's two hours late. He just goes, man. It's kind of bizarre. Like, you people ... you hear about that, you're like, "Ah, that's not true." Like, no, he really stays locked in. He didn't get tired, you know? He was lo- he's 78 years old, but he was locked in. He's got a lot of energy.

Konstantin Kisin 25:02 It's unbelievable how much energy he has.

Francis Foster 25:03 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 25:03 And one of the things I said as well is that after you- you watch his first presidency, he didn't age. Do you remember Barack-

Joe Rogan 25:10 Exactly.

Konstantin Kisin 25:10 ... Barack Obama was like ... it was like someone drained the color from him.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Right.

Francis Foster 25:14 Same with Blair.

Konstantin Kisin 25:15 Yeah. Yeah, same with Blair.

Joe Rogan 25:16 All of them. Everybody, everybody gets hit hard. The pr- the... Look at Biden. Biden basically died.

Francis Foster 25:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 I mean, he got to the point where-

Konstantin Kisin 25:25 (coughs) You're gonna get a fact check on that, Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:26 You s- he... He... Every now and then, he, uh... I said basically.

Francis Foster 25:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:29 Every now and then, he fucking will d- hold a press conference, and it's wild. It's like, so who lets him get to the mic? Is there no... He's still the president, but meanwhile, who's running this motherfucker? She's i- she's doing podcasts. She's flying all over the place, doing... There's no way you're paying attention. So who's running this thing?

Konstantin Kisin 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Nancy Pelosi?

Francis Foster 25:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:52 She's in a bathtub filled with diamonds right now.

Konstantin Kisin 25:53 She's the same age, though, as well, isn't she?

Francis Foster 25:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:54 She's older. She's older than all of them. She's, like, 83.

Francis Foster 25:58 You know what it kind of feels like? You know when you're in school, and, like, the teacher leaves, gets called out by... You know, and then it's just you in the class, the rest of the class, and you're looking around going, "The fuck's going on?"

Joe Rogan 26:07 Yeah, how are we free? You know what it feels like for me when I use my Tesla and I use auto-drive? I'm just hands off, like, "Jesus, does this work?" (laughs)

Francis Foster 26:16 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 26:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:16 I know it's supposed to work, but I gotta keep my hands here.

Konstantin Kisin 26:19 Thank God for the deep state, huh?

Francis Foster 26:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:20 Yeah. Well, the, uh... If, if that's real, if that's what's running this thing, I assume it's his cabinet that's running everything, but even then, it's like, who... Did... Is that really how it's supposed to be? It's kind of not.

Francis Foster 26:32 No.

Joe Rogan 26:32 It's kind of... The weird thing about running for president when you already have a job, it's like, that's why people get mad at governors who run for president. It's like, "Hey, bro, you're supposed to be governing. Like, we got a lot of problems here." Uh, "and you're clearly not." It's like, "You..." If you don't wanna quit your job to apply for another job, the people that already employed you are like, "Hey, fuckface, you're, you're not even here every day." You're, you're trying to get this other job." This is nuts. Like, I've never seen an employee where, uh, you're not on the job and yet you're still here, and if you don't get the new job, you get to come back and be in this job. That's crazy. Why do the... We let that happen?

Francis Foster 27:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Like, if you wanna be governor, okay, you're governor. You wanna run for president? You gotta quit being governor, or you gotta f- do your term out because you're gonna leave us anyway.

Francis Foster 27:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:17 So, like, if you have two more years left and the, the elections are on... You, you're gonna leave us. You're gonna leave us high and dry here, you fuckhead. Quit the job!

Francis Foster 27:27 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 27:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:27 Quit the fucking job. You can't have two jobs. So it's... That's the nuttiest thing about running for president for reelection.

Francis Foster 27:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Right? So in Kamala Harris's case, she's not necessarily really running for re- reelection 'cause she's the vice president, but she's also the vice president that's running for president. So she has the second most important job in the world, and she's not doing it because she has to run for the first most important job. So who's doing the job?

Francis Foster 27:53 Well-

Joe Rogan 27:54 Who's doing both jobs? Who's doing vice president? (laughs)

Francis Foster 27:57 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 27:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:57 Where's the borders are?

Francis Foster 28:01 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 28:01 Oh, man.

Francis Foster 28:01 It's weird.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Oh.

Francis Foster 28:03 It, it, it has that feeling, though, that... You remember, like, in the '90s where you... Like, I don't know if you felt like this, and I was much younger, where you just kind of didn't question it as much. And then all of a sudden-

Joe Rogan 28:13 Oh, yeah.

Francis Foster 28:13 ... you start questioning things. And it... All it does is lead you down from one rabbit hole to another rabbit hole to another rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Yes.

Francis Foster 28:20 You know, it's like... People always used to say to us when we started Triggernometry, they were like, "You know, the whole free speech thing is bullshit, blah, blah, blah. You just wanna be able to say racist things. You were right." And then-

Konstantin Kisin 28:31 And they were right.

Francis Foster 28:32 And then w- (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 28:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:36 (laughs)

Francis Foster 28:36 (laughs) You know? And that's why I came to Texas.

Joe Rogan 28:41 He's like a Tony Hinchcliffe.

Francis Foster 28:42 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 28:42 (laughs) Yeah. Whoever booked him is shitting their pants right now, isn't he?

Francis Foster 28:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Why did you do that? I tell, I tell all comedians, don't ever do comedy at something that's not a comedy event.

Francis Foster 28:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Don't do it.

Francis Foster 28:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Don't ever do comedy at a place that's doing also.

Francis Foster 28:56 Mm-hmm.

Konstantin Kisin 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 He's doing... Uh, you know, you're gonna s- Is, is he gonna have a bunch of speakers and you're gonna go up and do 10 minutes? Don't ever do that. It's a terrible setup. It's a terrible setup. And it's a political rally and you're doing jokes like you're in a comedy club. It doesn't... You can't... Eh, eh. Don't do it.

Konstantin Kisin 29:13 I don't really blame Tony, though, 'cause Tony is what Tony is, right?

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 29:16 Like, if you want an insult comic, Tony is the best in the world.

Francis Foster 29:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:19 There's literally... His, his, his great specialty is roasting.

Konstantin Kisin 29:23 Right. So-

Joe Rogan 29:24 He's the best roaster ever.

Francis Foster 29:25 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 29:25 ... if you book Tony Hinchcliffe, Tony Hinchcliffe is gonna be Tony Hinchcliffe.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Exactly.

Konstantin Kisin 29:29 So whoever fucking booked him, that's the person that's, that's made the mistake.

Joe Rogan 29:33 Not just booked him, but apparently went over his material.

Francis Foster 29:36 Did they go over his material?

Konstantin Kisin 29:38 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:38 (laughs)

Francis Foster 29:39 Oh, my...

Joe Rogan 29:41 This is what I've read on the internet, so it must be true.

Konstantin Kisin 29:44 (laughs)

Francis Foster 29:44 In the words of Donald Trump, someone's getting fired, man.

Konstantin Kisin 29:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:47 I gotta tell you, that joke kills at comedy clubs. I don't like the joke. It kills. And I said to him, I don't... It's just like... If you're Puerto Rican and you hear that in the audience, you're like, "Oh." But it's a funny joke.

Francis Foster 29:57 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:57 The joke does well. But I said to him, I go, "Dude, that's the one that's gonna get you stabbed."

Konstantin Kisin 30:02 Really?

Francis Foster 30:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yes. And he used to talk about it on stage saying, "Joe Rogan always says, 'That's the one that's gonna get me stabbed.'" Like...

Francis Foster 30:11 Wow.

Konstantin Kisin 30:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Which is so crazy.

Francis Foster 30:13 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 30:13 I think you'd pick stabbed-

Francis Foster 30:14 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 30:14 ... at this point given the shit that's going down. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:16 I think, I think it'll blow over-

Francis Foster 30:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:18 ... just like all these things do.

Konstantin Kisin 30:19 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 30:19 And there's, there's people that are, that are always gonna hate someone like Tony, and it's gonna make other people love him more. It's just like, he's going through it right now.

Konstantin Kisin 30:27 Yeah.

Francis Foster 30:27 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 He's going through the storm.

Francis Foster 30:29 As somebody who, you know, has wound up, you know, who winds people up, we... You know, we've wound people up on our time.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Oh, you guys are winders. (laughs)

Francis Foster 30:36 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 30:36 (laughs)

Francis Foster 30:37 We get called something beginning with W, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 Oh, you guys, that's a, a negative over there, wanker.

Francis Foster 30:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:43 You can call someone a wanker here and it's just like-

Konstantin Kisin 30:45 Yeah, sure.

Francis Foster 30:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:45 It's like calling them a cracker.

Francis Foster 30:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 30:47 It doesn't really work.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Or a honky.

Francis Foster 30:49 But when I saw what Tony did, I went, "All right, mate, you're in a different league." Now, to me, that is another level.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Yeah, Obama was, uh, quoting his bit.

Francis Foster 30:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:57 But he's quoting it like it was a statement.

Konstantin Kisin 30:59 Right.

Francis Foster 31:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Which is really fucked up. He was quoting it like, he was saying someone called Puerto Rico an island of garbage.... but you know that's a joke. That's like going to a Quentin Tarantino movie, "And then the man killed that woman." Like, he didn't really kill that woman, that was a, that's like a doll.

Konstantin Kisin 31:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:13 You know, this is a movie, no one died-

Konstantin Kisin 31:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:15 ... everyone's fine, they all like each other.

Konstantin Kisin 31:16 But if you give them ammunition.

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yeah, it's the problem. We, we were discussing this in the bathroom, like, it's like, that's their job.

Konstantin Kisin 31:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:22 That's what they have to do.

Francis Foster 31:23 They gotta do it.

Joe Rogan 31:24 That's their job. They-

Konstantin Kisin 31:25 You give them ammunition, they're gonna use it.

Joe Rogan 31:26 Yeah. Of course they're gonna do it, that's what they do. Like, you, you can't assume they're gonna be a good person and not use it in this critical moment to... W- how many days are we in, like, eight days-

Konstantin Kisin 31:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:36 ... I think, before the election?

Konstantin Kisin 31:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:37 That's crazy, that's so s- soon. Of course you're gonna use everything. I'd use it too.

Francis Foster 31:42 But you know what? It nicely encapsulates modern politics, because it's a storm about nothing. It's a storm about a joke at a rally. And actually, everybody's focusing on that instead of the huge problems that America has-

Konstantin Kisin 31:56 Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 31:56 ... which we all need to be discussing.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Yes.

Francis Foster 31:59 And we need to be discussing in a calm, serious, and sober manner. Because, for example, if you have an open border, that's an existential crisis-

Konstantin Kisin 32:07 Yes.

Francis Foster 32:07 ... 'cause if you can't control your borders, you don't have a country. But we don't talk about that, really.

Joe Rogan 32:12 Exactly.

Francis Foster 32:12 We're get- we're getting upset because Tony Hinchcliffe came along and called Puerto Rico an (laughs) trash-

Konstantin Kisin 32:18 But he didn't even call them, he made a joke, right?

Francis Foster 32:20 No, yeah, exactly, he made a joke.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Well, th- there's an island of trash-

Francis Foster 32:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 ... and it's called Puerto Rico. Here's what's, where that joke comes from. Tony is actually obsessed with the Pacific garbage patch-

Konstantin Kisin 32:30 Uh-huh.

Francis Foster 32:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:30 ... and, um, un- like, the fact that we just throw... Like, we were talking about, like, recycling, like, recycling doesn't work, they don't do it. Most of your bottles, when you throw them in recycle, they get put in landfills. So, there's a landfill in Puerto Rico that's way overflowed.

Konstantin Kisin 32:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Puerto Rico has a legitimate trash problem, because they're on an island, like, where you gonna put it?

Konstantin Kisin 32:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:50 Right? There's all these people living on that island, where you gonna put it? And so, they have landfills, their landfills are way over capacity. So, that's where the joke came from.

Konstantin Kisin 32:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Like, the joke came from, like, Tony being environmentally conscious-

Konstantin Kisin 33:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:03 ... of recycling.

Konstantin Kisin 33:04 (laughs)

Francis Foster 33:04 (laughs) Yeah, they don't seem to have taken it that way.

Joe Rogan 33:06 But th- from his roaster perspective, that's where the joke comes from.

Konstantin Kisin 33:09 Totally, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:09 I think it's called Puerto Rico. And you say it and everybody laughs.

Konstantin Kisin 33:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 33:13 And actually, we were at the rally, uh, and people say no one laughed. Not quite true, like, it didn't get a big laugh, but it, it, it, it got a bit of a laugh.

Joe Rogan 33:21 It's a funny joke.

Konstantin Kisin 33:22 Yeah.

Francis Foster 33:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:22 It's t- you know, even Jon Stewart said it was a funny joke.

Konstantin Kisin 33:25 Yeah.

Francis Foster 33:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Which I thought was great of him.

Konstantin Kisin 33:26 He had much better ones that got a bigger response, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:29 It's a terrible ... People are like, "Well, it wasn't funny." Right, 'cause it was, it was a terrible setup for comedy. Everything was wrong. If you were at a comedy club-

Konstantin Kisin 33:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:36 ... and the guy did that set, you would be laughing. It's just a bad setup, everything's wrong.

Konstantin Kisin 33:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:40 It's like, you don't go to see acoustic m- music while people are using jackhammers around you.

Konstantin Kisin 33:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:46 Right? Like, it's not the right setup.

Konstantin Kisin 33:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:48 You wanna go where it's somewhere quiet.

Francis Foster 33:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:49 And standup comedy should be done in a comedy environment, in, in a club, or in ... I mean, there is a great video though, I should say, of Don Rickles. Don Rickles in the c-

Konstantin Kisin 34:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Have you seen that?

Francis Foster 34:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 34:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:01 The Reagan inauguration?

Francis Foster 34:02 The Reagan, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:03 He, Don Rickles was a G, boy. He was a funny man.

Konstantin Kisin 34:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:07 He was so good. He was s- he, it really translates today, like, you watch that set, it really translates today.

Konstantin Kisin 34:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:13 But I think Don Rickles was almost like ... He was in this category of ultra-famous comedian, right? He was in this Dave Chappelle-type category.

Konstantin Kisin 34:25 Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 34:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:26 Where just seeing Don Rickles, all of a sudden it was a comedy show.

Konstantin Kisin 34:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:30 Like, "Oh, my God, Don Rickles is here." Tony Hinchcliffe does not have that, right? If Dave Chappelle went up and did 10 minutes in front of Donald Trump, or 10 minutes in front of Kamala Harris, that's a different thing, 'cause it's like, he's a cultural icon-

Konstantin Kisin 34:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:43 ... and you immediately go into standup comedy mode, like, "Oh, shit, Chappelle's here." Right? That's what Don Rickles had-

Konstantin Kisin 34:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:50 ... with Reagan. Tony doesn't have that. It's a bad thing to do.

Konstantin Kisin 34:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:53 The whole thing's bad. It's like doing a bachelor party, like when you have to do comedy at bachelor parties-

Francis Foster 34:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:59 ... it's a, they want whores and cocaine.

Konstantin Kisin 35:01 (laughs)

Francis Foster 35:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:01 "Why is this guy telling jokes?" But y- it's just a bad environment, it's a bad environment for comedy. And, you know, that joke, I, I, I would've told him, "Don't you fucking dare do that joke." I never, like, sat down with him, I didn't know what bit his, bits he was gonna do, but then I heard (laughs) he did that joke and I was like, "Oh, j- oh, Jesus, Tony, here it comes."

Konstantin Kisin 35:23 I think there are comedians, probably, who ... I, I think Tony's the wrong type of comedian for that environment. If you had someone come in-

Joe Rogan 35:29 100%.

Konstantin Kisin 35:29 ... who wasn't a roast comedian, who actually made everyone feel good, and, like, was just clean, and-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Y- you know who could do it, who could do it and just talk about cultural issues and get everybody to laugh, is Jimmy Dore.

Francis Foster 35:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Jimmy Dore is really good at that. He's, he could do something like that, 'cause he's so knowledgeable when it comes to politics-

Konstantin Kisin 35:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:46 ... he could bridge the gaps between humor and fact and reality, and what, what we're up against. He could do that.

Konstantin Kisin 35:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:54 But it's not Tony's wheelhouse, man.

Konstantin Kisin 35:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Tony's just talking shit about people's clothes and stuff.

Francis Foster 35:59 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 35:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:59 Like, he's very fucking, very shallow with that-

Francis Foster 36:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:02 ... like, his comedy is all just, "You're a loser."

Konstantin Kisin 36:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:05 You know, it's, it, but it's fun. It's, like, and, uh, he'll get through it. It's a-

Konstantin Kisin 36:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:10 Y- you know, he's going through a storm, and that's what happens with all these things, with people like that.

Konstantin Kisin 36:15 But he, he won't get through it.

Joe Rogan 36:15 But it's good for him too, like, when he got canceled in the past, he came back way stronger as a comic-

Konstantin Kisin 36:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:20 ... 'cause he felt like he had to prove something.

Francis Foster 36:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Like, it made him really tighten up his material, like really edit things well, and really, like, write sharp stuff. That's what'll happen with him. He'll come back better.

Francis Foster 36:31 Yeah, the thing I really like about Tony is Tony's a fighter. You can tell. When we interviewed him on our show, and we talked to him, I'm like, "You're a fighter." You're, you know, that's who, essentially, he is. And he's gonna come from, back from this better and stronger. And he... Look, it's, everybody who is smart realizes that this is a storm about nothing, and it's being used and politicized and weaponized by the Democrat Party because...... that's what they do, that's what every side does.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Well, it's also because it's effective.

Konstantin Kisin 37:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Like, that's their job. Like, it makes sense that they would do that. That's literally their job.

Konstantin Kisin 37:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Their job is to win this fucking election.

Jamie Vernon 37:09 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:10 And if they can win this election by finding some lady who says Trump fingered her in the '80s (laughing) , then roll her out.

Francis Foster 37:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:17 Roll her out. Like, who else you got?

Francis Foster 37:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:19 You know, there's like all kinds of crazy allegations on both sides. There's, I've, I've seen nutty things that I don't even wanna repeat about Kamala Harris, that I'm sure aren't true, but it doesn't matter. They're just throwing things out there as much as possible.

Francis Foster 37:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:32 Uh, the, the thing is, like most people aren't even paying attention to them.

Konstantin Kisin 37:36 It makes me so angry, you know. I, uh, like, my great-grandfather, he died on the Eastern Front fighting actual Nazis. These comparisons are just, they're illegitimate, and what they do also is they take the power away from the words because now if you say, "This guy is a Nazi," there are some Nazis.

Joe Rogan 37:53 Yes.

Konstantin Kisin 37:53 Like open your fucking Twitter feed.

Joe Rogan 37:55 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 37:55 There's some Nazis out there, right?

Joe Rogan 37:56 Oh, there's some real Nazis.

Konstantin Kisin 37:56 Right? But if you say that guy's a Nazi, no one takes it seriously anymore.

Joe Rogan 38:01 Right. But there were some other things at the rally that people got offended by and one of them, what's that guy's name? Stephen Miller? Was that his name?

Konstantin Kisin 38:07 Yeah.

Francis Foster 38:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:07 He, he, he yelled something like, "America is for Americans." Like, some- something like that.

Konstantin Kisin 38:14 Did he?

Joe Rogan 38:14 Let's see what he said. See what he said.

Konstantin Kisin 38:15 I don't remember that part.

Joe Rogan 38:16 That was a weird one, I thought, 'cause I'm like, okay, what's an American? What... They're all immigrants. The... It's a literal country full of immigrants.

Konstantin Kisin 38:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:23 So what... You know, it's not like saying German, Germany is for Germans, right? 'Cause, you know-

Francis Foster 38:28 That has a different vibe to it.

Joe Rogan 38:30 (laughing)

Konstantin Kisin 38:31 It does, it does. A bad example. I, I should've said like, uh-

Francis Foster 38:35 But they got-

Joe Rogan 38:35 Portugal is for Portuguese.

Konstantin Kisin 38:37 Right, right.

Francis Foster 38:37 When they got Germany's for the Germans, you're like, "Oh, my..."

Joe Rogan 38:40 Yeah, yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 38:40 Chill out, chill out.

Joe Rogan 38:41 But it's, but it's that same kind of rhetoric to get people like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."

Konstantin Kisin 38:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:45 "Why you yelling that?"

Konstantin Kisin 38:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:47 Like, "What he's saying?" Like, I really like the way JD Vance talks.

Konstantin Kisin 38:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:50 He's not screamy, yelly. He's like very smooth and he's very coordinated. Very good at be-

Konstantin Kisin 38:57 He's su- sharp guy.

Joe Rogan 38:58 Very good at being... Very intelligent guy, very good at being a politician.

Francis Foster 39:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 39:01 And he does these interviews, which is interesting too, 'cause they'll talk to all these people. They'll talk to CNN, always trying to corner them. They're trying to corner him on stuff. It's interesting what people admit to and what they won't admit to, what they won't talk about. You know, like did you see Jake, Jake Tapper and him got at it?

Konstantin Kisin 39:16 Yeah. (laughing)

Francis Foster 39:18 Jake Tapper got a lot from him.

Konstantin Kisin 39:18 He's so good with the media, man. He's very good at breaking the caps that they set.

Joe Rogan 39:22 Yeah. So what does he say? Americans for Americans only. Let's see what he... How he says it. Listen to how he says it.

Jamie Vernon 39:28 America is for Americans and Americans only.

Joe Rogan 39:33 All right. Settle down, bro. Like-

Francis Foster 39:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:35 That's goofy.

Francis Foster 39:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 That's goofy because yeah, right, but what is America? America is literally a country of immigrants. You know, there's a l- I want you guys to be Americans, you know. I know people that have moved here that become Americans.

Francis Foster 39:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Best pool player in the world, Fedor Gost, he's from Russia.

Francis Foster 39:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Became an American citizen.

Francis Foster 39:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:54 He's American now. He plays literally on the Mosconi Cup, which is like America's pool team.

Francis Foster 39:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 39:58 He's American.

Francis Foster 39:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:59 America is everybody from everywhere. That's literally what we are. We are the, the actual melting pot. So America is for Americans only. Like wha- Okay. What does that mean?

Konstantin Kisin 40:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:11 How about let's not let in criminals, rapists, and murderers?

Konstantin Kisin 40:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:14 How about that? How about let's vet the terrorists before they come across the... How about say that? America's for Americans only, like, okay.

Konstantin Kisin 40:22 Totally. And, you know, uh, we've traveled to many countries. I have to say, when it comes to legal immigration, I haven't been to a place that's more pro-immigrant at the level of the ordinary person-

Joe Rogan 40:32 Right.

Konstantin Kisin 40:32 ... than, than this country.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Well, we love an immigrant success story.

Konstantin Kisin 40:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:35 We love a guy who comes here from Nigeria and now he's worth a billion dollars and he made his own computer company. Like holy shit, look at that.

Konstantin Kisin 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:42 This guy came from nothing. We love a come from nothing. We don't...

Francis Foster 40:45 Mm.

Joe Rogan 40:45 That's the things that, uh, my friends from England always tell me, is that there's this real, uh, sort of, um, there's an idea in the culture like to keep people in their place.

Konstantin Kisin 40:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:56 And they don't like when someone has, like wild aspirations. And they'll try to shit on you. He says there's no support at all for you, like chasing your dreams.

Konstantin Kisin 41:04 Tall poppy syndrome, we call it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Yeah.

Francis Foster 41:06 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 41:06 Uh, well, look, F- Francis was born in the UK. I, I came there when I was 11. I love Britain, but there is this element where you're not supposed to strive. You're not supposed to think you're special. You're not supposed to try and achieve too much.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 41:20 Like, everyone loves you as long as you're not too successful.

Francis Foster 41:23 Mm.

Konstantin Kisin 41:23 But if you really think you, you wanna be successful, it becomes more difficult. And that's why a lot of those people end up coming here.

Joe Rogan 41:29 Yeah, they fucking give up. The, your, your, uh, tabloids are brutal.

Konstantin Kisin 41:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:33 The tabloids over there are brutal. And the laws are like different.

Konstantin Kisin 41:37 And now the tax system too, with this government that we have now, they're literally, we're losing more millionaires than any other country in the world except China, kind of.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Didn't France do that at one point in time, enact a, a, an enormous tax and a shit ton of people left?

Francis Foster 41:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:49 And they wound up losing money.

Francis Foster 41:51 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 41:51 Lots of countries done it. It doesn't work 'cause rich people don't have to live there.

Francis Foster 41:54 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 41:55 That's why we have to have one world government, is to tax everybody. Don't you understand?

Francis Foster 41:58 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 41:58 You can't just keep letting people move.

Francis Foster 42:02 (laughing)

Konstantin Kisin 42:02 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 42:02 Move to favorable spots. That's how America got started in the first place.

Francis Foster 42:06 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 42:06 Right.

Francis Foster 42:06 Yeah. Which leads, what we're seeing in the UK, as far as I'm concerned, and I, I, I'm sure Konstant has his own view on this, is we're seeing, for me, the slow creep of, I would say soft authoritarianism, but not even that. You look at Scotland. So Scotland, on April the 1st, ironically enough, brought in hate speech, this Hate Speech Bill they called it. It, it came into law, and that has now criminalized public performance, so, which includes stand-up comedy.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Uh, yeah, I've heard that, but the problem is they have that enormous festival there every year.

Konstantin Kisin 42:37 Yeah.

Francis Foster 42:37 Yeah, the, yeah, the Edinburgh Comedy Festival.

Joe Rogan 42:38 Yeah, Edinburgh is like famous worldwide.

Konstantin Kisin 42:41 It's the biggest comedy... It's the biggest arts festival in the world.

Joe Rogan 42:43 Yeah, Ari Shaffir has done it like multiple times. He raves about it. He's like, "You have to go, you have to go to Edinburgh."

Francis Foster 42:48 (laughing)

Joe Rogan 42:48 Like, "No, I don't. Shut up."

Konstantin Kisin 42:50 No, you don't. You don't have to go.

Joe Rogan 42:51 But he said it's like you should go there and do American stand-up 'cause th- they're basically like, a lot of them are telling stories and they have a theme every year. But he goes, "It's really cool though. It's a cool like art, art environment." So if they come along and say that all that stuff's hate speech now, you've, you've killed the whole thing.

Konstantin Kisin 43:07 Well, Tony would be in be... If he'd done that joke there, he would be in, be, being investigated by the police right now.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Well, he'd probably be in jail if he was in Canada, legitimately.

Konstantin Kisin 43:15 Not, not exaggerating. This is not an exaggeration.

Francis Foster 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:17 Yeah, yeah. No, I'm sure he would be.

Francis Foster 43:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:19 Yeah. Yeah, that's danger. That's the whole thing we're talking about. It's like left-wing ideas used to be free speech is important. I mean, that's why if you go back and, like even in, like left-wing magazines, and... Like, remember when Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley had that debate?

Konstantin Kisin 43:39 Mm.

Francis Foster 43:40 Mm.

Joe Rogan 43:41 That was a- a brilliant moment, right? Because that was kind of like one of the first podcasts.

Konstantin Kisin 43:45 Mm.

Francis Foster 43:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:46 'Cause they played it on... If you haven't seen that, what is the, uh, documentary about? Something Best- Something Enemies. It's a great documentary.

Konstantin Kisin 43:55 Mm.

Joe Rogan 43:56 But it shows that the network that put it on, I think it was ABC, was getting killed in the ratings.

Francis Foster 44:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:02 And... Otherwise, they would have never done this. And so they just decided to, like, "Let's just take a chance." And it became this enormous success.

Konstantin Kisin 44:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:08 'Cause everybody was on the Best of Enemies.

Konstantin Kisin 44:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:11 It's really fantastic. It's a great documentary. And, you know, William F. Buckley is kind of the stuffed shirt kind of douchey right-wing guy with a pretty good vocabulary. And Gore Vidal, who was brilliant and he's, uh... But a weirdo, man. He wrote that nutty book about a transgender woman who, like Raquel Welch played in the movie. It's the craziest book that he turned into a movie. It's a really nutty movie about, like, a guy becomes a woman and she's really hot, and then becomes a man again. And it's like, there's a lot of sex in the movie. Like, it's just like a perverted, bizarre, twisted movie. He's a-

Francis Foster 44:45 He sounds very progressive, Joe. (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 44:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:47 It was. It was way... It was, it was so progressive that nobody understood what the fuck he was doing.

Konstantin Kisin 44:52 (laughs)

Francis Foster 44:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:52 It's like what... He was so far ahead of his time.

Francis Foster 44:54 Mm.

Joe Rogan 44:55 But, you know, that was the left back then.

Konstantin Kisin 44:58 Mm.

Joe Rogan 44:58 You could... You know, you were kind of free to talk about anything. And-

Francis Foster 45:04 But this is the thing that is fascinating about that Scottish bill.

Joe Rogan 45:07 That's it. Myra Breckinridge. I bought it on DVD.

Francis Foster 45:10 I'm not surprised, mate.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Because you can't, you can't stream it anywhere.

Francis Foster 45:13 That's-

Joe Rogan 45:13 Raquel Welch. First of all, the idea that any man could ever look like Raquel Welch. Like, shut the fuck up. Unless she's in Thailand.

Francis Foster 45:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:21 This is not... (laughs) The picture was controversial for its sexual explicitness, including acts like female on male rape. But u- unlike the novel, received little to no critical praise, and has been cited as one of the worst films ever made.

Konstantin Kisin 45:36 (laughs)

Francis Foster 45:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:36 (laughs) In subsequent decades, the film has developed a cult following. It's a crazy movie.

Konstantin Kisin 45:42 Yeah.

Francis Foster 45:42 It's, it's so interesting, like, the way that we... You know, things were seeded at one point in culture, and now they've become mainstream. Now, I was, uh... I was at the gym, and then the, the words... Uh, the, the, the song Lola by The Kinks came on.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Yeah. Yeah.

Francis Foster 45:56 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 45:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Transgender song.

Francis Foster 45:57 Yeah. "I'm not dumb but I can't understand/ Why she walks like a woman and talks like a man, La Lola."

Joe Rogan 46:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Francis Foster 46:03 (singing) La Lola, Lola.

Konstantin Kisin 46:04 (singing) La Lola, Lola.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah. Yeah. It's a great fucking song.

Francis Foster 46:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:08 Yeah.

Francis Foster 46:08 And then you listen to it, and you go, "This is really progressive." And then it ends with, um, "I know what she is, she's a man." So... And then I'm like, "Well, you'd get canceled for this bit now."

Joe Rogan 46:17 Bro, you know the craziest song? The craziest song is Brown Sugar.

Konstantin Kisin 46:21 Oh, yeah.

Francis Foster 46:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:21 You know Rolling Stone doesn't even play Brown Sugar anymore? I went to see them in concert, and they- they said they would not pl- play... I mean, they've already said it in interviews. They was like, "It's too controversial a song." And then I saw the lyrics. Like, I had only heard the song. I had never, like, read the lyrics.

Francis Foster 46:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:37 And so, you know, when T. Mick Jagger's singing, it's hard to understand-

Francis Foster 46:40 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:40 ... what the fuck he's saying. You know?

Francis Foster 46:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:42 'Cause it's like he's singing. Like, he's making sounds out of the words-

Konstantin Kisin 46:46 Mm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:46 That's... Are pleasing.

Francis Foster 46:47 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:47 More than he's communicating, like, really clearly. Pull up the lyrics to Brown Sugar. Wait till you read this. Have you read it?

Francis Foster 46:56 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 46:56 I- I've... I remember some lines.

Francis Foster 46:58 Mm-hmm.

Konstantin Kisin 46:58 But not the full thing. Let's see this.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Bro. Bro.

Konstantin Kisin 47:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:02 This, this one is like, "Yo."

Francis Foster 47:05 I saw an interview with Keith Richards-

Konstantin Kisin 47:07 (clears throat)

Francis Foster 47:07 ... where they were like... Where the e- Where the person said to him... And maybe this was Keith Richards fucking about with the journalist. Where the journalist went, "So, you know, obviously, Brown Sugar is about heroin." (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 47:18 (laughs)

Francis Foster 47:18 And Keith Richards went, "No, bro. It's about sleeping with Black women." And he went, "Okay, let's change the subject." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:23 Not just Black. It was slaves. "Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields/ Sold in the market down in New Orleans/ Scarred old slaver knows he's doing all right/ Hear him whip the women just around midnight/ Brown sugar, how come you taste so good?"

Konstantin Kisin 47:40 (laughs)

Francis Foster 47:40 Fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:40 "Brown sugar, just like a young girl should/ Drums beating cold English bru- blood runs hot/ Lady of the house wondering when it's gonna stop/ House boy knows that he's doing all right/ You should have heard him just around midnight/ Brown sugar, brown sugar. Oh, I get it... Oh, get it on, brown sugar/ How come you taste so good, baby?" Okay. "Just like a Black girl should/ Now I bet your mama was a tent show queen/ And all her boyfriends were sweet 16/ I'm no schoolboy but I know what I like/ You should have heard me just around midnight." It's a crazy song.

Francis Foster 48:18 It's a stone cold banger, though.

Joe Rogan 48:20 It's a banger.

Francis Foster 48:20 It's a banger. The moment-

Joe Rogan 48:21 It's a fantastic song. But, I mean, imagine-

Francis Foster 48:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:24 ... if you put that song out today.

Francis Foster 48:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:25 People would be like, "Yo, what the fuck?" That should get you canceled. Like, if you did that at a Trump rally. Like if-

Konstantin Kisin 48:33 (laughs)

Francis Foster 48:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:35 (laughs) If The Rolling Stones came out and did Brown Sugar at a Trump rally. If they opened up, "Ladies and gentlemen, The Rolling Stones!" And they did Brown Sugar.

Konstantin Kisin 48:45 Bro, but the world has changed so fast.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 48:48 My wife and I watched Friends the other day. You couldn't make Friends now.

Joe Rogan 48:53 Right, right. You can't.

Konstantin Kisin 48:54 We... Like, we used to watch it regularly. We watched one episode. We were like, "T- this is..." This is like, it's transphobic, it's racist-

Joe Rogan 49:01 Oh, yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 49:01 It's uh, a whole bunch of shit.

Francis Foster 49:03 That's why it's funny.

Konstantin Kisin 49:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:04 Well, have you ever seen Ace Ventura: Pet Detective?

Konstantin Kisin 49:07 Yeah.

Francis Foster 49:07 Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan 49:08 Holy shit. (laughs)

Francis Foster 49:10 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 49:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:10 Try watching that again. You're like, "Yo, you couldn't make this movie at all today." So many great comedies. There's no fucking way Tropic Thunder gets made today.

Francis Foster 49:19 No.

Joe Rogan 49:20 No way. It's one of the greatest comedies of all time. It's a phenomenal movie. You couldn't make it.

Konstantin Kisin 49:25 Do you think... Do, do you think this is, like, outright a, a bad thing or outright a good thing? Or do you think it's kind of halfway? Like, what do you think of it?

Joe Rogan 49:32 It's gonna, it's gonna force courage-... right? It's 'cause people obviously wanna see those kind of movies, it's just someone's gonna have to have the courage to make it. And if they do have the courage to make it, it will get criticized, but it'll also be wildly successful.

Konstantin Kisin 49:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:46 If they really went for it and made a Super Bad today, like a fucking all-out crazy comedy, it would be huge. People would be so happy. So, the only people that are reaping the rewards of that desire for rebellion are comics.

Konstantin Kisin 50:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:03 We're the only ones.

Konstantin Kisin 50:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Comics and podcasters, and mostly podcasters or comics. Like, a lot of them are-

Konstantin Kisin 50:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:08 ... at least. At least the comedy podcasts.

Francis Foster 50:10 But that's the thing, th- there is now a vacuum.

Konstantin Kisin 50:13 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 50:13 There is now a vacuum for people to step in. Because it got to the point, particularly with TV comedy in the UK, and I remember saying it to comics in a comedy club, people's WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah.

Francis Foster 50:26 And part of the reason is because if everybody saw your WhatsApp group, we'd all be canceled.

Joe Rogan 50:31 Right, right, right. Especially the ones I have.

Francis Foster 50:34 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 50:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:35 Bro.

Francis Foster 50:36 Some of my friends-

Konstantin Kisin 50:36 But it- but it's not just you, man, it's everybody.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Yes. Well-

Konstantin Kisin 50:38 It's everybody, bud. ... everybody's hiding, right? Everybody's hiding.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Well, it's talking shit, right? And this is what's fun about memes, like I don't believe the thing in the meme is true, but it's funny.

Francis Foster 50:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:48 It's a funny, crazy thing to say.

Francis Foster 50:50 But why did we get to a point where we just believe that every joke was true? That every joke was a statement of fact? It's-

Joe Rogan 50:58 We don't believe it, but certain people want to use it-

Konstantin Kisin 51:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 51:01 ... because they're words written on paper or words spoken out loud, and they wanna use it as if it's a real statement. Just like the analogy I made about Quentin Tarantino movies.

Konstantin Kisin 51:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Like, it's not really killing anybody in those movies. It's like you wanna pretend that this thing that this person's doing ... You could decide it sucks, you could decide it's hateful, y- you don't like it, it's n- you know, it's not your kind of comedy, it's punching down. You can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don't like it-

Konstantin Kisin 51:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:25 ... but that's, like, the same kind of reasons why you don't like AC/DC, you know? And you like Liz Phair. Like, everybody has their own thing that they like and don't like-

Konstantin Kisin 51:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... but you can't pretend that it's a statement. It's not a statement-

Konstantin Kisin 51:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:37 ... it's comedy. And i- it's- if ... I swear to God, if you see him do it on stage, it fucking kills.

Konstantin Kisin 51:42 Yeah.

Francis Foster 51:42 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 51:43 This is why I am excited though, man, because look at you, you just had one of the former president, presidential candidate. By the time of the next election, it's gonna be everyone's gonna be doing podcasts. There's no getting away from it.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Well, what's interesting is, uh, something happened, I'm sure it was a mistake, at YouTube where you couldn't search for it.

Konstantin Kisin 52:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:01 I'm sure it was a mistake.

Francis Foster 52:02 It has to be a mistake, Joe.

Joe Rogan 52:03 There's no way that was on purpose. And so, if you googled, uh, Rogan Trump-

Konstantin Kisin 52:07 They got to Joe. They got to Joe.

Francis Foster 52:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:09 You could only get-

Konstantin Kisin 52:09 He's apologizing.

Francis Foster 52:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:10 You could only get clips. You couldn't watch the whole episode.

Konstantin Kisin 52:12 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:13 You couldn't find it.

Francis Foster 52:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:14 And so we reached out to them a couple of times and they fixed it, to their credit, so now you can find it.

Konstantin Kisin 52:19 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 52:20 But so, in the meantime, Elon was furious, and so Elon contacted Daniel Ek at Spotify, and they put it on X as well. So, now it's on X, the full-

Francis Foster 52:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:29 And so it's ... So now it has way more views. 'Cause I think on Elon's alone ... What is it on Elon's alone? 'Cause Elon posted it, and I posted it. This morning, like right ... I posted it last night, I woke up, it was like six and a half million views on mine and eight-plus million on his. So, it's just- it's a r- you can't suppress shit. It doesn't work. This is the internet. This is 2024. People are gonna realize what you're doing.

Francis Foster 52:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:53 If you try to make it so that something can't come up in a search engine because it's too popular, first of all, if that's not trending, you tell me what the fuck is.

Konstantin Kisin 53:02 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Okay? So, what's it at now? 8.6 million on mine, and what's it on on Elon's?

Francis Foster 53:07 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:07 'Cause he has a lot more people on his than me. So, that's just from last night. S- but you- you can't fucking suppress shit anymore. Like, when you're saying that that's ... Why is that not in the trending? You have a trending thing? What's your trending thing, really, then? If one show has 36 million downloads in two days, like that's not trending?

Francis Foster 53:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Like, what's trending for you? Mr. Beast?

Konstantin Kisin 53:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:31 Like, I know he gets a little more than that, but ...

Konstantin Kisin 53:33 12 million for Elon, no?

Joe Rogan 53:34 So, he's at 12. So, it's-

Konstantin Kisin 53:35 20 million total.

Joe Rogan 53:36 ... it's- it hit 20 million in a day, just on X. And that's just us. There's a ton of clips, there's a ton of other accounts that have done it "illegally"-

Francis Foster 53:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... where they've taken the episode, the full episode-

Francis Foster 53:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 ... and uploaded it.

Konstantin Kisin 53:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:49 So, who knows how many views those have.

Konstantin Kisin 53:51 So, Joe, can I just check, why do you say you're c- you're certain it was just a mistake?

Joe Rogan 53:55 It's just a mistake. I'm being sarcastic.

Francis Foster 53:58 Oh. (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 53:58 Oh, oh. I didn't get that.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Oh. Sorry.

Konstantin Kisin 54:00 Now ... And it was my turn to miss the sarcasm?

Francis Foster 54:02 Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 54:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Yeah.

Francis Foster 54:03 Yeah. Yeah. It's like, there's no way it was a mistake. That's too convenient. But it could have been like some rogue engineer. You know, there's a lot of people that are working behind the scenes. There's a lot of switches they can flip.

Konstantin Kisin 54:11 So, you think they suppressed ... That is so dumb, though.

Joe Rogan 54:14 But there's a video, you can watch the video of, uh, people searching for it. You can find it. Okay, yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 54:19 Oh, I didn't. Like, it wasn't showing up for me.

Francis Foster 54:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 You couldn't find it.

Konstantin Kisin 54:21 No.

Joe Rogan 54:21 I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. And then it got to the point where you could on- you only had to write, you had to write, "Joe Rogan ..." They ch- fixed it a little, where you write, "Joe Rogan Trump interview," and then it would come up.

Francis Foster 54:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:32 But if you just wrote, "Rogan Trump," only would ... You get the- the clips.

Francis Foster 54:36 Do you think it kind of worked for the Hunter Biden laptop story? The w- what they did and their tactics around it? Now, obviously it came out later and it was a big scandal, but at the time, it kind of worked.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Yeah.

Francis Foster 54:49 Do you think they might have thought, "Well, you know, it kind of worked for this, therefore we sh- we should try it for this?"

Joe Rogan 54:55 I think they're desperate because they had no idea it was gonna be that popular, and it's a runaway train. And they hate it 'cause ideologically, they're opposed to the idea of him being more popular. It's just like what we were talking about before, the left wing being in control of these- these massive media distribution companies like YouTube or like Facebook.

Francis Foster 55:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:15 They're- they're massive companies. They have so much influence on everything, and they didn't like that this one was slipping away, and so they- they did something. And Jamie showed me, like the image of the interactions, like when it- when they did that, it dropped off a cliff because people couldn't find it, so they just gave up-

Francis Foster 55:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:33 ... or they just watched the clips. So, you see like how much downloads it's getting, and then it just root.

Konstantin Kisin 55:38 What about that claim about the reporting?

Jamie Vernon 55:41 ... taking it down.

Joe Rogan 55:42 What's that? Yeah, that could be it too, right?

Jamie Vernon 55:44 People mass reported it.

Joe Rogan 55:44 They were saying if you mass report something enough. So what was the actual claim? Like, somebody posted-

Jamie Vernon 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:49 I sent, I sent it to you, right?

Jamie Vernon 55:50 Basically what you're about to say. If you mass report something enough, it might have just taken it out of the search because it wasn't... Like, they didn't delete the video from our channel or anything.

Joe Rogan 55:57 Right, right. So that could be it.

Jamie Vernon 55:58 Just couldn't find it in the search.

Joe Rogan 55:59 That could be it. But that's also the same thing, right? 'Cause it's people that are on the left that are mass reporting-

Jamie Vernon 56:03 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 56:04 ... something to try to silence it, rather than just letting people do it. So maybe it's not the company itself, but it's the people that are attached to the ideology that the company follows.

Jamie Vernon 56:13 But-

Joe Rogan 56:13 And they think that you should be able to do something about a conversation like that.

Francis Foster 56:17 But it's so stupid, Joe. It's so ridiculous because I, I look at that and I go, like you said, all you're gonna do is you're gonna bring more eyeballs to it because everyone's gonna think, "Hang on. They're gonna... They... What? They're... What? They... Well, I'm definitely gonna watch it now."

Joe Rogan 56:31 Yeah.

Francis Foster 56:31 So I just don't understand. And this is me being a little bit naive and whatever else, and go, why not, for the Democratic Party, why don't you do this? I know it's gonna blow everyone's mind. Why don't you get the best possible candidate that you can and just go in on Trump?

Joe Rogan 56:48 Well, that's, that's-

Francis Foster 56:49 He's got flaws.

Joe Rogan 56:49 ... why this election is so dangerous. The reason why this election is so dangerous is we've accepted that someone could be the representative without going through a primary. So because we had to get rid of Joe Biden-

Jamie Vernon 57:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:02 ... and everybody kind of agreed after the debate, like, "Oh my God, he's literally falling apart," and they decided not to have a primary. And so once they do that, then, then you have the whole machine behind it because there's a desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody's eyes. This person that everybody thought, like, uses word salad, and all of a sudden, now they're the number one person. This is the... This is our, our savior. Barack Obama's behind her. Everybody's behind her. Like, it has to happen like that. And that's kind of crazy because they don't have much time and they're kind of manufacturing a thing. So, like, they're gonna try everything. It's like a desperado time. This is part of the problem with right now, because they-

Konstantin Kisin 57:46 I would have thought they would have learned that lesson the last election 'cause they tried this shit and it backfired massively. That's why Zuckerberg is now stepping back from it. I don't know if you saw Jeff Bezos' article in The Washington Post.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Yes. Yeah, I did.

Konstantin Kisin 57:58 It, it feels to me like at least, a- among those guys, the tide is turning, man. They're, they, they don't seem to be keen to interfere in anything like the way that they did before.

Francis Foster 58:07 I think- And also as well, just a final point, it's not like the Dems don't have form for this as well. Look what they did to Bernie in 2016.

Joe Rogan 58:13 Right, right.

Francis Foster 58:14 So you've just got, what? Again and again and again you're gonna do it? How are people gonna have faith in your party?

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah, but people don't look at that. Isn't that wild? They don't look at the idea that they... Bernie was getting too popular, and that was the first experience that I really had with, like, getting attacked by the mainstream news. Like CNN was, uh, saying that Bernie was on my show, that my show is, uh, sexist and racist or whatever the fuck it was. And, you know, that Bernie was doing a terrible thing by coming on my show. And that was when I, I saw. I was like, "Oh, they're trying to get rid of Bernie." Like, this is really interesting. Like, why would they turn... Like, the... You have the most popular podcast in the country. Why wouldn't he want to express his ideas, uh, out to the world? Because they didn't want him, and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation. And you're like, "Oh, so you're just going to take a fraction of a penny off of speculative trades and you'll be able to fund all these things like education and... Really? Can you really do that?" And I was like, "Okay, tell me what you can do." Like, you're, you've been around this fucking rodeo for a long-ass time. Maybe this guy's got a way of looking at things that is, uh... May- maybe it's... Maybe it'll work. And then I saw the machine, and then they got him out of the primaries. I was like, "Whoa, this is kind of crazy." And they're willing to do that. They did it with RFK, right? The- they, they would not let him have a primary. They wouldn't allow him to compete against Joe Biden. No fucking way. They, they had one guy, and that was Joe Biden, until it wasn't. And then when it wasn't, it was like, "Okay. Kamala, you got to be it." And then they just went hard pushing her through, and it worked really good until some of these interviews.

Konstantin Kisin 59:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:59 'Cause that, those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk. You know, you have live cameras in front of you and all these people, and already she's got to be aware of how many people are hating on her. She has to be aware. She has to be aware of how many people don't think she deserves a spot, she just got in.

Konstantin Kisin 1:00:18 Joe, can I ask you something? Who's the "they," right? Th- this is the thing I'm genuinely wondering. Who's the "they" that's trying to get Bernie not to run? Who's the "they"?

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Well, first of all, it's the DNC, clearly, if you read Donna Rice's book, the DNC clearly-

Konstantin Kisin 1:00:34 But there's got to be, like, one guy or one gal at the top of that, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 I don't think so. I think there's an organization. I think, you know, you, you got your Nancy Pelosis and all the people that are in power. And one thing to consider if you're, you're thinking about, like, well, like, why would they want Kamala Harris over anybody else? Because first of all, everybody who works in the administration right now is in the Biden-Harris administration. They'd like to keep those jobs.

Francis Foster 1:00:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 "I like to keep this job."

Konstantin Kisin 1:00:57 That makes sense, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 "What do I have to do to keep this job?" And those are essentially the people that are running the show because-

Francis Foster 1:01:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 ... she's busy and he's not there. So, like, those people want to keep their jobs. So that's what you're experiencing right now.

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:09 But, man, you know... Sorry, Francis, just to finish something-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:11 No, it's fine. Yeah.

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:12 Like, it sounds like a trite and rather obvious thing to say, but you're running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Right.

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:22 You got to be able to fucking talk, man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 (laughs)

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Yes, yes. Well, if a primary-

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:29 We don't even say this because it's so fucking obvious, but, but you got to be able to communicate.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Well, that's why we have primaries, right? That's what pri-... Because being a leader is a little bit more than having qualifications, right? It's being able to execute in real time under pressure. That's what those debates are all about. It's not just about, like, who's got the better ideas. You could have them both write an article and find out who's got the better ideas.

Konstantin Kisin 1:01:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 It's about seeing them kind of perform under pressure and respond under pressure. We want to see how you handle the cooker. That's why we like those crowds, you know, when you do...... those debates in front of crowds. It's a bigger cooker.

Francis Foster 1:02:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 You know? W- we're trying to figure out whether or not you can handle it. And by having no primary, and having her just go right through, and then keeping RFK Jr. away from Biden even before that, like, this does not give a lot of people faith that you are following the ideals that this country was founded on. And if you're just... If you're going on your own way just because you wanna win, okay, you've kind of taken over this system and subverted it. You've changed it.

Francis Foster 1:02:32 Well, let's say you get elected though. You're gonna be sitting across from Xi Jinping-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:02:36 ... and Vladimir Putin.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Right.

Francis Foster 1:02:39 If you can't fucking talk-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Right.

Francis Foster 1:02:41 ... how's that gonna go?

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Well, good thing they don't speak English, so... (laughs)

Francis Foster 1:02:46 (laughs) They can take what she said and make it sound brilliant in the translator- It's gonna make even less sense translated, believe me.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 I think they're... It is... You know, they're not worried at all. But also, they have been doing that job for how long? How long has, uh, Putin been in charge of Russia? How many years now?

Francis Foster 1:02:59 Since 1999. 25 years.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Okay. 25 years being the leader of Russia, and Xi Jinping controls China with an iron fist.

Francis Foster 1:03:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 And he's been doing that for how long?

Francis Foster 1:03:07 Right. I don't know, but a long time.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 A long time. So you have people that... That's... It's one of the vulnerabilities of American politics, is its strength. And one of the strengths is that you don't have someone who stays in and just keeps running things and becomes a dictator. You have to get out of there after eight years, at most.

Francis Foster 1:03:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 The bad part about it is, every four fucking years, we have someone who's new doing the hardest job in the world that's... And they've never done it before. Like, even Trump said, like, at the beginning of his term-

Francis Foster 1:03:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 ... he did not know how to appoint people, he didn't know who to trust, and he trusted a bunch of people he shouldn't have trusted, and he put a bunch of people in there that he shouldn't have put in. So, four years of that, he got a handle on it, and now he has a completely different perspective.

Francis Foster 1:03:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 Why? Because he did the job already.

Francis Foster 1:03:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Because he's, he's already been in there running it. You know, he goes, "Oh," kinda... He's a businessman. He's like, "I see why this is fucking up, and I need to get smarter people in here." And so what does he do? He, he, he talks to Chamath about being the head of the FDA. He talks to Elon about coming up with some government efficiency agency. He talks to RFK about taking care of healthcare. He's, like, delegating to people that are very good at it now.

Francis Foster 1:04:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 And, like, some... These people that could actually impart a real change, not like a sort of, again, a fugazi change-

Francis Foster 1:04:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 ... where you just, like, put on a different mask. No, a real change of the system.

Francis Foster 1:04:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 And that's one of the reasons why the resistance against it is so hard, 'cause so many people are gonna be out of work.

Francis Foster 1:04:34 And, you know, what I found really interesting looking at the Democrats. With... You look back at the Bernie 2016 thing. They didn't appoint Bernie, they appointed their person, Hillary, right? Trump took a lot of Bernie's talking points and went on and won the election. And you... And because it spoke to the average American. And they... The average American felt no connection with Hillary whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:04:57 So you're actually going... If you had just got and been fair, Bernie might actually have won.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:05:04 He might actually have won because he had cut through with the average American. But they didn't want that. They appointed their person, and then they ended up losing, and then they had a tantrum and said it was Russia interference and all the rest of it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:05:16 No, it was you. You stopped the, the person who actually could've won the election for you, who could've cut through to the average American. You didn't want that, and you screwed it up for yourself, and then you had a tantrum at the end of it blaming everyone.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 And then there was also the polls, right? The polls had her winning, like, by a huge margin. I think on election night, it was, like, a 90% chance she was gonna be the president, something crazy. So for him to show that the polls were bullshit, uh, it's good in a way, but it's also, like, now they're gonna tighten things down significantly. If the same sort of apparatus that would keep a guy like Bernie Sanders out or a guy like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. out... They're not playing fair. This is... They're not interested in playing fair. They're interested in winning, is whatever the fuck it takes to get through this thing and win. They wanna keep their jobs. It's just... It's like they're, they're engaging in corporate warfare. It's like... Or legal fair. It's like they're used... They're weaponizing the justice system to go after their opponent. They're doing everything they can. All of the things. Do-

Francis Foster 1:06:19 What's your sense of how it's gonna go?

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 I have zero idea. Zero idea. I do not like that the people are suing to make sure that voter ID isn't n- required. People are suing to stop people from using ID to vote. That's... The only reason why you would do that is you want people to vote that shouldn't be voting. That's the only reason. That doesn't make any sense.

Francis Foster 1:06:45 You know, we've been here a week now. I've had to show ID to get into a bar-

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 (laughs)

Francis Foster 1:06:48 ... to rent a car, to rent a hotel room. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Yeah. It's just ridiculous true.

Francis Foster 1:06:53 ... e- everyone has fucking ID.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 They're... But they're saying it's racist to require ID. It's so crazy. Or it's bad for poor rural Americans to, to require ID. That's crazy. They have cars. They... Everyone has a car. They have driver's licenses.

Francis Foster 1:07:05 I saw some data on the internet, might be wrong, but it's, it showed that ethnic minorities actually have a higher support for ID for voting than, than white people.

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 Probably because they went through it to get a fucking ID.

Francis Foster 1:07:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Right? Ethnic minorities went through it, became American citizens, actually got the legal right to vote. They're proud of it and they're like, "Hey, do what I did. Don't just cheat."

Francis Foster 1:07:26 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 "You guys are cheating." (laughs)

Francis Foster 1:07:27 Seems like a reasonable point. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 That's so reasonable. But anybody who would say that that's not reasonable only wants to win.

Francis Foster 1:07:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 Right? You know, I'm pretty left of center for the most part, and I s- I see that, and I'm like, "That's crazy." You can't... That doesn't make any sense, sense at all. You can't say people...... don't need IDs because it's racist or it's whatever it is. It's-

Francis Foster 1:07:51 Y- you know, and it's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 ... classist.

Francis Foster 1:07:52 And, and the thing is, they talk about classists, right? And I s- like, I used, I used to work, when I was teaching, I used to work in a lot of deprived communities. Really, really, like, people were struggling. Like, if people made it to the end of the week with food on the table and they paid their bills, that was a win. That was an absolute win. And having worked in those communities, those people are more anti-illegal immigration than the inverted commas "elites"-

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 Right.

Francis Foster 1:08:17 ... because illegal immigration brings down their wages. It brings down-

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:08:22 It brings down their ability to earn.

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Mm-hmm.

Francis Foster 1:08:25 It means that the jobs that they do get obliterated and they can no longer afford to feed their families.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Right.

Francis Foster 1:08:32 It's basic economics. So this idea that, "Oh, you know, immigration is a right wing issue," it's bullshit. Re- immigration is actually a left wing issue. And you look at all staunch, what you would consider to be old school lefties, they are all, "No, we need to control immigration to protect the rights and wages of workers." It's why when we had Brexit in our country, people said, "Oh, it's right wing." It, it d- it wasn't. There ... I know so many blue-collar guys who voted Brexit. They weren't racist. They weren't any of those things. But as one of them explained to me, he was like, "Look, Francis, I got no problem with immigration but at this point, it just feels like my wages are getting lower and lower and lower. I've got a kid on the way. I can't afford to live on this." And you ... and to, to then smear that person as right wing, it's, it's, it's obscene.

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 And it, it's also you're giving power to the people that take advantage of these illegal immigrants-

Francis Foster 1:09:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:29 ... air quotes, because they can get those people to work for less money. So you're empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor and that, that becomes a problem because they'd use it all the time, especially if there's no inspections. I mean, how many different plants have been busted across the country using illegal aliens? It happens all the time. Construction sites, happens all the time. In fact, Tim Dillon said that that was one of the, um ... he believes one of the motivations of having the border so porous-

Francis Foster 1:09:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:58 ... he thinks it's to get cheap labor 'cause it's hard to get cheap labor. And the ... So if you're working at a construction site and you got a bunch of illegals working for you, they, they have no rights.

Francis Foster 1:10:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 You know, they can work for a fraction of the minimum wage and it's way more money than they were getting when they were in Mexico. And then you're putting them up in a house, so they all live together. They're f- s- p- p- pickled peach. They're fucking happy as shit. They, they, they're ... they can't believe they're in America and they're actually making money and there's a, a road to at least some level of prosperity that exists here. So they'll work for less money. So you're empowering scumbags to pay people below, you know, standard wages and then you're crippling all the people that are the workers who don't have any say, who are here legally, who are ... You know, ha- they demand ... They know what they're supposed to get. They demand fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get, employees.

Francis Foster 1:10:51 Yeah, and it's also as well, look, uh ... My mum's, my mum's Venezuelan, so w- ... And I ov- ... I've got family in this country, I know a lot of Venezuelan people in this country, and then I see what illegal Venezuelans are doing, like El Tren de Aragua-

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Yeah.

Francis Foster 1:11:06 ... that gang, and-

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 I like how you rolled your-

Francis Foster 1:11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 ... R's and the T's-

Francis Foster 1:11:08 Well, it's j-

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 ... pretty good.

Francis Foster 1:11:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 (laughs)

Francis Foster 1:11:10 You know, I'm just sk- ... just trying to, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 He goes, "I'm, I'm Latina."

Francis Foster 1:11:14 You know, yeah, in a-

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 You did a good job. You nailed it. (laughs)

Francis Foster 1:11:17 Yeah. (laughs) I need to do it, otherwise no one believes me, Joe. But, um, you know, uh, I can tell you e- th- this for