Joe Rogan Experience #2221 - JD Vance

1. 0:00 – 0:16

   Meeting JD Vance: the surreal reality of running for VP

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. How's it going? All right. How are you, sir?

   4. JVJD Vance0:13

      Good, man. How are you doing?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Very nice to meet you.

   6. JVJD Vance0:15

      Yeah. Nice to meet you, too.

2. 0:16 – 3:01

   The VP call from Trump: missed call, prank, and a 7-year-old’s verdict

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What is it like, uh, running for Vice President of the United States?

   2. JVJD Vance0:19

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      How, how crazy is this experience?

   4. JVJD Vance0:22

      Uh, it's pretty weird. It's pretty weird. Uh, you know, I, I was just telling, you heard this earlier, but the first time that I've been in a public spot without Secret Service in the room is right now.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      (laughs)

   6. JVJD Vance0:31

      So I'm, like, looking around for these guys-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      How long has it been?

   8. JVJD Vance0:33

      ... because I'm used to just having them... It's three months, right? So he, he asked me the Monday of the RNC convention, which I think was June 15th. And I really didn't know that morning. I thought that he was probably gonna pick me, but I didn't know for sure, probably 60/40 basically. And so I had no idea. I get the call around 1:00 at Milwaukee time at the RNC convention. I'm hanging out with my kid. Another one of my kids is in the other room asleep 'cause, you know, our kids are young so they nap still. And, uh, he makes this call and he's like, "Hey, do you wanna be my vice president?" I was like, "Oh."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      Was it literally just like that?

   10. JVJD Vance1:07

       Well, actually what, what happened is I get a text message from a staff member on his team that says, "You just missed a very important phone call." (laughs) And I don't know, you know, 'cause there's so much inbound traffic that I think it just went straight to voicemail.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (laughs)

   12. JVJD Vance1:20

       So I call him back and I'm like, "Hey, sir, what's going on?" He said, "J.D., you just missed a very important phone call. I'm gonna have to pick somebody else now." (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (laughs)

   14. JVJD Vance1:29

       You know, so I'm about to shit a brick here. And then he says, "No. No. I'm just kidding obviously. Want you to be my vice president." And the, the funny thing is, you know, my seven-year-old is in the background and he has no idea what's going on. And I love that, right? It's one of the good things about this. He has no clue what's going on. He's like, "Dad, who are you talking to?" He's talking about Pokemon cards, right? And, um, I... You know, Trump hears my son in the background and he says, "Well, uh, who's that?" And I said, "That's my seven-year-old son, Ewan." He's like, "Put him on the phone." (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       (laughs)

   16. JVJD Vance2:01

       And I'm just thankful for the- for him to get this statement out.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       Right.

   18. JVJD Vance2:03

       'Cause in my mind, it's not final until the statement is actually out. And he, he, he talks to my son and, and he reads the statement that he is gonna put out on Truth Social announcing that I'm the VP nominee of the Republican Party. And he's like, "What do you think about that, Ewan?" And my son Ewan is like, "Oh, that's, that, that's pretty good. That's pretty good." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       (laughs)

   20. JVJD Vance2:21

       And then he gives the phone back to me. He's like, "I have no idea what the hell's going on." And it's funny-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       He doesn't even know what that means.

   22. JVJD Vance2:26

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       That's crazy.

   24. JVJD Vance2:26

       He has no idea. And, and of course I remember this story because i- i- in particular at the Madison Square Garden rally of a few days ago was the first time that my son actually met Donald Trump. So we'd spoken to him on the phone, but hadn't actually met him until the rally at MSG. And my seven-year-old really wanted to tell him a joke.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       (laughs)

   26. JVJD Vance2:45

       And he remembers this phone conversation. And so he tells him this joke. And Trump kind of chuckles, but also is probably judging me 'cause it was a somewhat inappropriate joke for a seven-year-old to tell.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Ah.

   28. JVJD Vance2:55

       But, you know, here we are. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Well, that's the only ones seven-year-olds remember. (laughs)

3. 3:01 – 5:37

   Parenting, language, and being raised working-class

   1. JVJD Vance3:01

      (laughs) That's right. What's, like, you know, I have a t- I have terrible language. I mean, it's, it's one of my, my many flaws, but I was raised by my very working class grandmother. And she was actually very, interestingly she was a very devout Christian, but she also had, you know, a language that would make a sailor blush. And so I talk like that because I was raised by this woman. And-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Those are fun ladies.

   3. JVJD Vance3:21

      Those are fun ladies, man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:22

      (laughs)

   5. JVJD Vance3:22

      She was a gr- She was, she was awesome. Uh, she had an amazing, she was an amazing person, a huge personality, right? We called her a force of nature because she was such this, this big personality. But my wife's rule is, you know, basically he's only allowed to cuss when he's telling this one joke. So he-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      Oh, that's hilarious.

   7. JVJD Vance3:38

      Yeah. So he told this joke to Donald Trump-

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:41

      So he tells that joke all the time? (laughs)

   9. JVJD Vance3:41

      Yeah. Exactly. He says it 14 times a day.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Yeah. I, early on I told my kids, "You can swear in front of us." I go, "But don't, just don't swear in front of other parents."

   11. JVJD Vance3:51

       Right. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       And don't swear for no reason.

   13. JVJD Vance3:53

       Right. Well, 'cause they judge you, right? The other parents judge you. How old are your kids?

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Well, the, the youngest ones are 14 and 16, and I have a 28-year-old.

   15. JVJD Vance3:58

       Okay. Nice.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       But when my, uh, 14-year-old was two, we were on a skiing trip. And, uh, we, we were about to leave. We packed up all our stuff, but her helmet, we forgot to put her helmet away. I go, "Oh, we forgot to put the helmet away." And she just looks down at the helmet and she goes, "Shit." (laughs)

   17. JVJD Vance4:17

       (laughs) Oh, it's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       And me and my wife is just like, "Oh my God."

   19. JVJD Vance4:20

       That's right. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       It was so funny. There's just something-

   21. JVJD Vance4:22

       Oh. Woo.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       ... adorable about a two-year-old that doesn't know-

   23. JVJD Vance4:25

       Oh, it's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       ... that you're not supposed to say shit-

   25. JVJD Vance4:26

       Yeah. No. It's absolutely, man.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       ... and just, and that cute little face. Shit.

   27. JVJD Vance4:28

       Well, I, I mean, my, my, uh, my four-year-old, he was three at the time, we were going... 'Cause, you know, we live in Cincinnati, but then I'm a senator, so we spent a lot of time in Washington. And I was taking my four-year-old solo, he was three at the time, on this trip. And we're on it like a Delta flight, we're in the back. I'm kind of wondering, 'cause, you know, I've got bedhead and I'm thinking to myself, "Do any of these people know that I'm a senator? 'Cause I look like shit right now." And my e- eh, sort of get away with it. I don't think that anybody notices who I am. And we're sitting there and my son drops one of those Biscoff cookies in between the, the seat. And he looks at me and he says, "Dad, well fuck." (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       (laughs)

   29. JVJD Vance5:08

       And, like, 12 people instantly turn around and look at me and it's like, "Oh, Senator Vance, your son has such colorful language." And I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm such a terrible father."

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       Total judgment.
4. 5:37 – 13:40

   From senator to nonstop attention: losing anonymity and adapting to Secret Service life

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:37

      D- Did, was there any part of you that was like, "Do I really want this job?" Just 'cause it comes with so much. It comes with not having-

   2. JVJD Vance5:45

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      ... the Secret Service in the room. It comes with this enormous change of your life, this in- insane responsibility. You, everybody's watched presidents especially age radically-

   4. JVJD Vance5:56

      Oh, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      ... like, dramatically.

   6. JVJD Vance5:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:58

      And s- uh, everyone but Trump. Trump's just like-

   8. JVJD Vance6:00

      That's right. It's kind of amazing. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      That's like dude just didn't age. It's so strange. It's like it barely affected him.

   10. JVJD Vance6:06

       Uh-huh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Everybody else is like, like they're getting radiation sickness.And he gets out of there-

   12. JVJD Vance6:11

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       ... and he looks exactly the same. "I can't wait to do it again."

   14. JVJD Vance6:14

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       "Let's go. We're gonna win big."

   16. JVJD Vance6:16

       (laughs)

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   20. JVJD Vance8:47

       Uh, it really is amazing. I mean, one of the first times that I- I sort of spent li- like, a large amount of time with Trump was in 2021, and I was thinking about running for the Senate, so I was down in Mar-a-Lago talking to him. And my initial reaction on seeing him was like, "Oh my God, you look really good."

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       (laughs)

   22. JVJD Vance9:01

       "You actually look healthier now than you did six years ago."

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       Very strange.

   24. JVJD Vance9:04

       Normally presidents age very, very badly. You know? Yeah, I mean, look, I- I- I definitely thought, "Okay, obviously this is a big... This is a big thing," right? And my, you know, talked about it with my wife a lot because she's like a- or she was a working corporate litigator. She's got a very big career. She's much smarter than I am. And we definitely, i- it was a marital conversation. In some ways a tough one because, you know, even though, yeah, I'm a senator, we're still pretty anonymous, right? Like, we can go on vacation, or we were, uh, till this happened. We'd go on vacation.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Right.

   26. JVJD Vance9:32

       Yeah, you'd have people stop and ask to take a photo or say something, you know, nice. But most- most people, if you went somewhere, didn't know who you were. Right now, it's- it's literally impossible for us to go anywhere, we're-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       What's that shift feel like? Like, uh, you're 40 years old, right? So-

   28. JVJD Vance9:46

       Yeah. I- I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       Like right, like this just off a cliff, complete different life.

   30. JVJD Vance9:51

       Yeah. That's right, that's right. I mean, it's- it's- it's been... I mean, look, in some ways it's really nice because people come up and say really nice things to you. They tell you they're- they're- they're praying for your kids. They're praying for your- for your family.
5. 13:40 – 17:45

   Was he always in the mix? How Trump tested him—and the Butler rally lead-up

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:40

      D- uh, is, like, did you have presidential aspirations before all this? Is this something that you had considered about the future? Was it... Like, how did, how did you approach this?

   2. JVJD Vance13:51

      Yeah, I mean, you, i- it's, it's one of these things when you're elected to the Senate, and, you know, I'm, I'm a pretty young guy. I think it was th- I'm the second youngest United States Senator right now. You certainly think like, "Is this something I might do in the future? What does this look like? What would you need to do in terms of getting your family in, in the right mental space and just making it happen?" But it's all very abstract, right? It's, it's not all that different from, you know, 10 years ago thinking about starting a business that I never started, right? It's just things you think about but you never really think that hard about, right? And that's kinda, that was kinda my attitude towards it. I, I started to realize that Trump was thinking pretty seriously about making me his VP nominee probably earlier this year, because he would ask me a lot about who I thought the VP nominee should be.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      Oh, boy.

   4. JVJD Vance14:35

      And I'd, you know, I'd give him-

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:36

      Trick questions.

   6. JVJD Vance14:36

      Yeah, e- exactly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:37

      (laughs)

   8. JVJD Vance14:37

      And I'd give him (laughs) and I'd give him names of people that I thought would be pretty good at it, and a lot of the names that I gave him he would, he would criticize. And I almost felt like he was inviting me to throw myself out there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:48

      Mm.

   10. JVJD Vance14:50

       But (sighs) th- I mean, it's funny, the morning that he was shot in b- in, uh, Butler, PA was the first time that he and I ever talked about it, so that was a Saturday. Just think, thinking about it, I guess it was probably June 13th, 'cause I think the convention started June 15th. I go down to Mar-a-Lago that morning, Saturday morning, and I'm talking to him for the first time. 'Cause the media had already a- asked me, I was like one of the rumored shortlist candidates. I kept on getting these questions from reporters, "Have you ever been, have you ever had this conversation with Trump?" And the honest answer was no. Well, Saturday morning that changed, 'cause I go down there and he's like, "What do you," you know, "what do you think? Why, why, why should I choose you? Um, why should I not choose these other guys?" Like, we just had a conversation about it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Who else was in the running?

   12. JVJD Vance15:30

       You know, I don't really know, actually.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Don't lie.

   14. JVJD Vance15:33

       I, I really don't know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Tell the truth. Come on, man. (laughs)

   16. JVJD Vance15:34

       I, look, I, I, I, I, I think, I think that there were a couple of senators that were being considered, a couple of governors, a couple of former cabinet secretaries. But you don't really know because when Donald Trump sat me down, I mean, he talked about ten different people-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Right.

   18. JVJD Vance15:45

       ... that he was thinking about naming. And this was two days before he made the selection.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       So he's playing like a little, like, "Let's see how JD thinks" game.

   20. JVJD Vance15:52

       Yeah, I think so. And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       Okay.

   22. JVJD Vance15:55

       You know, he, he told me that the g- he was talking to the gardener at Mar-a-Lago about who the, who the vice presidential nominee should be. And that's one of, I think, Trump's sort of political genius is, is he talks to everybody about everything. And I was like, "Well, what did the g- (laughs) what did the gardener at Mar-a-Lago have to say about this conversation?" (laughs) Because this really directly im- impacts my life. And, you know, he, he basically said, "Well, I think I'm gonna, probably gonna pick you, but I don't know and I'm not ready to make a decision." And then he looks at one of his staff members who's in the room and he's like, "Actually, wouldn't it really set the world ablaze if we just made the decision today? And so why don't you come up with me and we'll just do the announcement in Butler, Pennsylvania?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Whoa.

   24. JVJD Vance16:35

       And, and I said, a- and of course not knowing at the time what was gonna happen, I was like, "Absolutely, let's get this over with, 'cause I'm sick of not knowing. Let's just get this thing over with." And then he's like, "Ah, no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do it up there. We need to prepare for it better. So, look, I'm not saying it's gonna be you, but I'm thinking very seriously about it. Have fun. We'll see you after Butler, PA." And then of course, I go back home to Ohio.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       Oh, boy.

   26. JVJD Vance16:55

       He gets shot. You know, the initial reaction is I actually thought they had killed him, because when you first see the video, he grabs his ear and then he goes down. And I'm like, "Oh my God, they just killed him." And I was so, I mean, first I was so pissed, but then I go into, like, fight or flight mode with my kids. I'm like, "You know, all right, kids." You know, we were at a, (blows air through closed lips) we were at a mini golf place in Cincinnati, Ohio. I grab my kids up, throw them in the car, go home and load all my guns, and basically stand like a sentry at our front door. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Holy shit.

   28. JVJD Vance17:26

       And that was my, that was sort of my reaction to it. But anyway, I really didn't know it was gonna happen till Monday morning. I didn't know who else was being selected. I think it was all the names that people sort of see out there, right? All good guys. Like, nobody I have any, any personal animosity towards. But obviously, you know, here we are.

6. 17:45 – 22:57

   The attempted assassination: security failures, unanswered questions, and “miracle” timing

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:45

      How much did you study the story of the, the assassin, the attempted assassin? How much have you paid attention to it?

   2. JVJD Vance17:53

      You know what, Crooks or Cooks or whatever-

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      Yeah.

   4. JVJD Vance17:54

      ... the guy's name is in Pennsylvania? I mean, I, I've read a fair amount about it and it's pretty bizarre.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:58

      It's very bizarre.

   6. JVJD Vance18:00

      It's bizarre they haven't been able to get into his phone. It's just-

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:03

      Well, they got, they got into his phone. Um-... didn't they?

   8. JVJD Vance18:06

      Have they? I, I, I thought they've-

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:07

      I thought they said they did.

   10. JVJD Vance18:08

       Well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Maybe you know better than me.

   12. JVJD Vance18:10

       Well, maybe they got into his phone, but they couldn't access his encrypted messages or something. I, I, I thought there was some deal where they, they haven't really gotten his communication yet. M- m-

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       Yeah, it's interesting.

   14. JVJD Vance18:19

       I maybe haven't read it as closely as y- you have, so don't take that as gospel truth.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       Well, you're probably... You have access to more information, but maybe you can't talk about it. (laughs)

   16. JVJD Vance18:26

       I don't- I... No, no. Tr- trust me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       No?

   18. JVJD Vance18:27

       The- there's nothing about this that I have access to information I can't talk about.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       Well, there was a lot of weird stuff to it. One of them is that his, uh... Where he lived was professionally scrubbed. So, they got there, there was no silverware.

   20. JVJD Vance18:39

       I've heard that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       There's no silverware. The place was scrubbed.

   22. JVJD Vance18:41

       That's bizarre. Right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:41

       Yeah, there's nothing. There's no-

   24. JVJD Vance18:44

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       No DNA, no hard drives, no nothing. So, then-

   26. JVJD Vance18:48

       Well, and, and how do you get that close? I mean-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       Yeah.

   28. JVJD Vance18:50

       Do, you know, do you shoot guns?

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       Yeah.

   30. JVJD Vance18:52

       Okay. So, I'm a pretty good shot. I served in the Marine Corps four years. Uh, an AR-15 from 140 yards away is a potshot.
7. 22:57 – 46:10

   Woke as a religion: trans ideology, kids, profit incentives, and forgiveness without redemption

   1. JVJD Vance22:57

      Well, you know these, these signs that are in super woke neighborhoods? I'm sure there's plenty of them in Austin. Like, "In this house, we believe." "Science is real."

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:04

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   3. JVJD Vance23:05

      "No persons le-" You know what I'm talking about?

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:06

      Yeah.

   5. JVJD Vance23:06

      Okay, so I don't know your religious background, but, like, I'm, I'm a convert to Catholicism. It's like I was raised Christian, became an atheist, came back to Christianity, got baptized Catholic, like, five or six years ago. Um, and what is so interesting about this, "In this house we believe," is it's so similar to the creed that you declare every day at a Catholic mass, right? "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of, of God." And there's almost a similar cadence-

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:36

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JVJD Vance23:36

      ... between the, the Christian creed-

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:39

      Yes.

   9. JVJD Vance23:39

      ... and what these, these guys are doing with this hyper woke stuff. And then there's the rallies. And then there's, of course, the various rituals. And it absolutely is a religious faith. There was this really interesting post that was, um... You know, I forget exactly who wrote it, but the title was, "Gay Rights As..." Uh, what was it? Um, it was like, "Gay Rights As Religious Rights," but-... the second rites was R-I-T-E-S.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:11

       Mm.

   11. JVJD Vance24:12

       And it was a guy who was, like, a, a pro-gay rights guy, but sort of made the observation that when you get into the really radical trans stuff, you actually start to notice the similarities between a practiced religious faith and what these guys are doing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:27

       Yeah.

   13. JVJD Vance24:27

       And it's, it's very interesting to me. I, I actually met earlier with a friend who lives in Austin who's, like, a, you know, kind of a gay Reagan Democrat. And-

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       Whoa. (laughs)

   15. JVJD Vance24:35

       ... he's, he's, he's a, he's a very, very interesting guy. He's, he's, he's a fascinating guy. He's one of the smartest political philosophers, I think.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       How do you be a gay Reagan Democrat?

   17. JVJD Vance24:43

       I, you know, I, I don't know. Um, it's just kind of-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       How's a-

   19. JVJD Vance24:45

       He's, he's, he's a-

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       What's a Reagan Democrat?

   21. JVJD Vance24:46

       Well-

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:47

       Like, how does that work?

   23. JVJD Vance24:47

       ... I mean, he's, he's basically, like, now what you'd call a Trump Republican, but he's a political philosopher and he writes about economics, right? That's sort of how I got connected to him. I had no idea he was gay when I first met him. But, you know, he (laughs) I rem- I'll never forget. He sent me something, like, six or so years ago, and it was Elizabeth Warren when she was running for president. And she was like, "We stand for all non-binary, two-spirit-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:11

       (laughs)

   25. JVJD Vance25:11

       "... and all of the, all of the, like, the uh, LGBTIA+."

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:15

       Right.

   27. JVJD Vance25:15

       She was talking about all the plus-

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Oh.

   29. JVJD Vance25:16

       ... and she was codifying it. And he sent me this, this text message with this Elizabeth Warren tweet, and he's like, "I don't know what the hell two-spirit is. We just want her to be left the hell alone." (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       Yeah.
8. 46:10 – 1:11:43

   Distraction politics vs real risks: environment, carbon tracking control, and the Big Pharma media pipeline

   1. JVJD Vance46:10

      Yeah. Well, and it, it raises ... One of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:21

      Yes.

   3. JVJD Vance46:21

      And so if I'm looking at the environmental movement in the United States of America, and I don't even have, like, strong views on the, you know, what the carbon footprint ultimately does. I'm sort of skeptical of the experts here, but I'm also skeptical of, you know, the other side. I, I just don't really know what I think about this. I think it's insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels. That's kind of a, a belief that I have. But it's interesting that the environmental movement in America, the only thing that it talks about is g- c- the carbon footprint, and it never talks about, like, "Oh, why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now?" Right? "Why, why is it that American kids spend less time outdoors in nature than they ever have in the history of our 250-year civilization?" There's this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff, and I think there is a really ...... very important environmental conversation to be had. It was interesting when, one of the first things that happened when I was a senator is, we had this terrible train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. Got a lot of headlines. And it was a mistake at the time that it wasn't obvious, they basically set off a few of the chemical cars, which, I, I mean, if you see the images, it looks like a nuclear bomb went off in East Palestine, Ohio. But it's putting vinyl chloride and all these other pollutants into the water, into the air, into the soil. And it was amazing, the environmental movement almost could not have cared less about a chemical explosion in rural Ohio that is potentially poisoning thousands of people. But they were really, really concerned about the carbon footprint of those same people. I- I- I- I- I'm sick of the distraction. I think we should focus on the real stuff. And unfortunately, it's true of the environmental policy, but it's true of a lot of other stuff, we just don't talk about the real thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan48:06

      The carbon footprint thing is very concerning to me, because I'm, I'm seeing this concept being pushed out of having an app that monitors your carbon footprint and limiting the amount of travel you can do and limiting the amount of thing-

   5. JVJD Vance48:21

      I know where that's gonna go.

   6. JRJoe Rogan48:22

      Yeah, just control. It's just control of people.

   7. JVJD Vance48:24

      It's absolutely about control.

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:25

      And if you can do that, then you can get away with a lot of things. You can get a lot of, away with a lot of policy-

   9. JVJD Vance48:30

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       ... and get away with a lot of decisions that are made that people wouldn't agree with because you're gonna limit so many things about their life, they're gonna become accustomed to being governed-

   11. JVJD Vance48:40

       That's right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:40

       ... in that way. It just, it's disturbing to me that there's also profit that's being made off the green movement. There's a lot of people-

   13. JVJD Vance48:47

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:47

       ... like Bill Gates, who have like-

   15. JVJD Vance48:48

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       ... making a lot of money off of these environmentally conscious things.

   17. JVJD Vance48:53

       Yeah. $50 million to Kamala Harris, by the way.

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:55

       All of those-

   19. JVJD Vance48:56

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:56

       ... bullshit fake food, that fake meat, which is not good for anybody.

   21. JVJD Vance48:59

       Aha, it creeps me out, man. Ex-

   22. JRJoe Rogan49:01

       You, read about fake meat, folks. Read about how they're making this. And I'm not talking about 3D printed meat, which is a very different thing, which seems to be at least more consumable.

   23. JVJD Vance49:11

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:11

       But like the plant-based meat stuff, that's garbage. That stuff is garbage. A highly processed garbage. If you want to eat vegetables and beat vegetarian, eat Indian food, okay?

   25. JVJD Vance49:22

       (laughs) Fuck.

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:22

       Like they make really delicious vegetarian food.

   27. JVJD Vance49:24

       I'm married to an Indian American. They make very good vegetarian food.

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:27

       They make the best vegetarian food.

   29. JVJD Vance49:28

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       But it tastes good and it's actually vegetables.

Episode duration: 3:17:20