Joe Rogan Experience #2223 - Elon Musk

1. 0:00 – 1:55

   Elite gaming as a “mental reset”: Diablo rankings and why Asia dominates

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. EMElon Musk0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   4. EMElon Musk0:12

      Uh, but if, if you, if, if you wanna sort of see like a, a, a vision of the future, it's like basically the, the, like the top 20 and the, or even the top 100 is, like, totally dominated by China. (laughs) It's insane.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Really?

   6. EMElon Musk0:23

      Yeah, there's like China, Kora- and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      So you in, are you in the top 20 in the world or top 20 in the-

   8. EMElon Musk0:29

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Wow. In Diablo.

   10. EMElon Musk0:30

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Do you wanna tell everybody your handle?

   12. EMElon Musk0:33

       Uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       No, no, don't tell them.

   14. EMElon Musk0:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Don't tell them. It's not worth it.

   16. EMElon Musk0:36

       Well, I, uh, they, they, they actually listed me with my actual name in the, in the list.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Oh, did they really?

   18. EMElon Musk0:42

       Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Oh, interesting.

   20. EMElon Musk0:43

       Um, but, um, yeah, there's only, there's only two Americans in the top 20. Uh, the re- the rest, almost everyone is, uh, from Asia, uh, otherwise.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       We were talking about something that I think is a really good, uh, because people always think that video games are frivolous, but what, what you were saying I think that's really important is it, it, it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that and it can, like, relieve stress because-

   22. EMElon Musk1:05

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       ... it can, uh, take out the rest of the world because it's so hard.

   24. EMElon Musk1:08

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       You can only think about that.

   26. EMElon Musk1:10

       Yeah. I mean, if I, like, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then, um, I have to concentrate fully on the game, um, and it's, it's, it has a, a calming effect.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yeah.

   28. EMElon Musk1:19

       Uh, it sort of chills down. Um, and, uh, I mean, you mentioned, I think, and, and maybe people, like, if you play martial arts or you, you play pool-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Yes. Yes.

   30. EMElon Musk1:27

       ... uh, like, something that, that forces you ... It, it's like I think any- anything that forces you to concentrate fully, um, actually has a, has a calming effect. I find it just sort of, like, um, kind of a, a mental, uh, restoring effect, maybe.
2. 1:55 – 4:01

   Why difficult games improve dexterity and performance (including surgeons)

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      I was watch, I was reading this study about surgeons-

   2. EMElon Musk1:59

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      ... where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make less errors.

   4. EMElon Musk2:03

      Well, it's, uh, uh, I mean, video games require manual dexterity.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      Yeah.

   6. EMElon Musk2:07

      So, uh, it makes sense.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      Completely makes sense.

   8. EMElon Musk2:08

      I mean, I, actually, if, if somebody was like, "Elon plays good video games," uh, I'd, I'd say, like, "Those, those surgical skills are gonna be very good" because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast reaction video games, uh, you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Look at this. 32% fewer errors.

   10. EMElon Musk2:20

       (laughs) Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       24% faster and scored 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues.

   12. EMElon Musk2:27

       Oh, I believe that for sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       That's incredible.

   14. EMElon Musk2:29

       Well, the only-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       Like that, you should be required in medical school to play video games.

   16. EMElon Musk2:32

       (laughs) I, I, if some-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       Don't you think?

   18. EMElon Musk2:34

       If somebody's, like, top, a top-ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like, "Plus, plus one, plus two type of thing."

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       Oh, top ranked for sure.

   20. EMElon Musk2:41

       Well, because-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       But this isn't even top ranked. This is just people who play.

   22. EMElon Musk2:44

       Well, you, your, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Yes.

   24. EMElon Musk2:46

       So you're, you're, you're looking at things on a screen. You've got ... You're reacting and, and, you know, sometimes you've got, like, 10 milliseconds to react.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Yes.

   26. EMElon Musk2:52

       Um, and, um, and, and so if somebody's got, uh, incredible reaction times and manual dexterity, they're obviously gonna be a good surgeon.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       Imagine if there was a course-

   28. EMElon Musk3:01

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       ... that you could take.

   30. EMElon Musk3:02

       Right.
3. 4:01 – 8:01

   Quake obsession, addictive feedback loops, and “calibrating” your brain

   1. EMElon Musk4:01

      Yeah. I actually (laughs) before I mentioned Quake, way, way, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:06

      (laughs) I know. We talked about this.

   3. EMElon Musk4:07

      Yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Yeah.

   5. EMElon Musk4:08

      Um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      I loved Quake.

   7. EMElon Musk4:09

      Yeah, yeah. And, and, and my final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes. Um ...

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds.

   9. EMElon Musk4:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       They were very, very fun guys. And they had a LAN set up at the studio where-

   11. EMElon Musk4:22

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       ... they all played Quake. I had never played video games.

   13. EMElon Musk4:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       And I would go in with the writers and just kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly, and then we would, we'd all start playing video games and put, playing Quake against each other.

   15. EMElon Musk4:32

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       And I got addicted.

   17. EMElon Musk4:34

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Like hardcore.

   19. EMElon Musk4:34

       Like hardcore.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       I got a T1 line installed in my house.

   21. EMElon Musk4:36

       (laughs) Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       I went hardcore.

   23. EMElon Musk4:38

       Yeah, ex- exactly. Checking how many milliseconds of latency you have.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Oh, yeah. I was, I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers.

   25. EMElon Musk4:45

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       I was go- going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards-

   27. EMElon Musk4:48

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       ... and putting everything together. And you know, it was, uh, too much of a time suck though.

   29. EMElon Musk4:53

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved. Like, I can't play golf.
4. 8:01 – 9:40

   Sleep, creatine, and the steak-and-eggs “power up”

   1. EMElon Musk8:01

      I mean, s- sleep's hu- is, is, is massive. I mean, like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:03

      Huge.

   3. EMElon Musk8:04

      Yeah. So, uh, if, if, I can tell immediately, like, did I get a good night's sleep or not if I, if I just play, like, a video game for like five minutes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      Yeah.

   5. EMElon Musk8:12

      I'm like, "Okay, my sleep wasn't that good," um, because my, my, uh, you know, and then sometimes they don't, they'll, your brain will recover through the day and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Yeah.

   7. EMElon Musk8:23

      Uh, 'cause your brain does kind of recover from bad nights sleep little bit during the day.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:27

      Do you know what really helps? Creatine, apparently.

   9. EMElon Musk8:29

      Does it?

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Yeah. Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of, like-

   11. EMElon Musk8:33

       Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       ... benefits of creatine that are really weird.

   13. EMElon Musk8:35

       So is it, are there any downsides?

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       No. No.

   15. EMElon Musk8:37

       So you might as well just have it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       It's a natural part of food. Yeah. Yeah. Especially women.

   17. EMElon Musk8:40

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       For, for women apparently, especially post-menopausal women, it's very beneficial.

   19. EMElon Musk8:44

       Okay.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       And, uh, i- i- it, uh, there's, but there's a lot of, like, cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep deprived.

   21. EMElon Musk8:53

       Oh. Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Mental performance when sleep deprived impre- increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine.

   23. EMElon Musk8:59

       I- is it, is creatine naturally occurring in like steak or?

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Yeah, it's, like, naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's a p- primarily an animal based thing.

   25. EMElon Musk9:10

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       Yeah. But-

   27. EMElon Musk9:11

       Like, I, I did switch to, like, steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power up.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       Oh, yeah.

   29. EMElon Musk9:16

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       Yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates.
5. 9:40 – 11:16

   Meat, climate claims, and propaganda arguments around diet and emissions

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      People dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads-

   2. EMElon Musk9:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:43

      ... there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.

   4. EMElon Musk9:52

      Yeah. It's-

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      It's-

   6. EMElon Musk9:53

      ... it's rubbish.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      Bullshit.

   8. EMElon Musk9:53

      It's not true. Bullshit.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:54

      It's hot bullshit.

   10. EMElon Musk9:55

       It doesn't matter.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       Not only is it hot bullshit-

   12. EMElon Musk9:57

       Irrelevant.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:57

       ... but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon.

   14. EMElon Musk10:04

       The, the, the animals are not gonna make any difference to global warming. Like none. Zero.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       No. It's horseshit.

   16. EMElon Musk10:09

       Zero. Zero. Simple as zero, ze- nothing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in, like, plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy?

   18. EMElon Musk10:18

       I think that's part of it. Um, you know, the, you, you're generally gonna get people pushing to avoid meat. Like some people just, you know, um, yeah, maybe they've got a financial interest, maybe they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Ideological interests.

   20. EMElon Musk10:32

       ... ideological reasons. Um, but, uh, I, it's not gonna make any difference, uh, to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere really, um, if, if people eat fewer, uh, steaks. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Irrelevant. I wanna just be super clear about that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Yeah. And-

   22. EMElon Musk10:48

       Will not matter, you will not even be able to measure it. Okay? That's how irrelevant it is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       Isn't it funny that that's a-

   24. EMElon Musk10:53

       Unmeasurable irrelevant.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       ... heretic speaking? (laughs) Like that's crazy talk now. Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat-

   26. EMElon Musk11:02

       No.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       ... that meat is bad.

   28. EMElon Musk11:02

       You can totally eat, uh, as much meat as you want. It's not gonna make a difference.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:06

       Sing it. Sing it.

   30. EMElon Musk11:07

       Yes.
6. 11:16 – 25:51

   Why Musk bought Twitter/X: censorship fears, deplatforming, and advertiser boycotts

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      Well, there's so much bullshit out there. The, first of all-

   2. EMElon Musk11:18

      Yeah, it's bullshit in all directions.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      ... thank, thank you so much for buying Twitter.

   4. EMElon Musk11:22

      (laughs) You're welcome.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:23

      Thank you so much.

   6. EMElon Musk11:24

      You're welcome.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:24

      I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you, you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship-

   8. EMElon Musk11:35

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:35

      ... and of, of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they-

   10. EMElon Musk11:41

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       ... were able to do back when they had newspapers-

   12. EMElon Musk11:44

       Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       ... and, uh, the media under control. The, what they were doing with social media by suppressing information-

   14. EMElon Musk11:49

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:49

       ... and when you had a combined government effort-

   16. EMElon Musk11:52

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       ... like with the, what they were doing with the laptop story.

   18. EMElon Musk11:55

       Yep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation-

   20. EMElon Musk12:00

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       ... take it off- offline.

   22. EMElon Musk12:01

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       And Twitter complied.

   24. EMElon Musk12:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       If w- if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea.

   26. EMElon Musk12:07

       Yep. Exactly. Uh, no, the, it's-I mean, the- the- the reason I bought it was because I- I'm, uh, pretty attuned, um, since I- I was like the most interacted with, uh, user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisition, I s- I had more interactions than- than... Like, there are some accounts, like Obama and whatever had higher follower counts. Uh, but, uh, I had the most number of interactions of- of any account in the system. So, um, I was very attuned to, like, if- if- if they saw change, if they changed the system, I can tell immediately. Like, a- and I'm like, I'm like, "Something weird is going on here." You know? Like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       Yeah.

   28. EMElon Musk12:39

       ... so there's, like, I- I just got increasingly uneasy. Um, and obviously when- when they deplatformed a sitting president, you know, not... They deep- deep-deplatformed Trump, uh, that was- that was just insane. Um, you know, um, (sniffs) and- and- and the things he was posting, like, he was posting things that- that, like, he was posting good things. He was saying like, "Hey, don't- do not riot. Don't- don't d- do any destruction of property." You know, "Please stay calm." Like that's the kind of stuff he was posting.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Yeah. Yeah.

   30. EMElon Musk13:08

       And you're like, "Uh, what's wrong with that?" That's... And- and then they'll, then- then some people said like, "Oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite." I'm like, "Okay, so we'll give you Trump's account. Now you p- you post what you think you should post 'cause you can post nothing, you can ask people to calm down." W- w- like, what? It was insane. Like, it didn't make any sense.
7. 25:51 – 27:35

   Community Notes and “go to the source”: scalable rebuttals to misinformation

   1. EMElon Musk25:51

      And, you know, the, the, the best thing I found for, as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material. You know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      Right.

   3. EMElon Musk25:58

      If, if you think, if somebody's saying, thinks, uh, you know, is, is, oh, uh, you know, Trump said that, that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. I'm like, "Let, let, let me send you a link to X, so you can watch his video." That's the best way.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:11

      Yes.

   5. EMElon Musk26:11

      It's, it's... Don't, don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material.

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:15

      And community notes.

   7. EMElon Musk26:16

      Yes, and community notes is awesome.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:17

      Community notes is the best.

   9. EMElon Musk26:18

      It's awesome.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       It's incredible-

   11. EMElon Musk26:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       ... because everybody gets checked.

   13. EMElon Musk26:22

       Yes, ev- including me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       Yeah.

   15. EMElon Musk26:23

       Um, and, uh, 'cause community notes, the, all the software is open source and all the data is open source, so you can recreate any given note independently.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       That's amazing.

   17. EMElon Musk26:35

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       That's how it should be.

   19. EMElon Musk26:36

       It's total absolute transparency-

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:38

       Yeah.

   21. EMElon Musk26:38

       ... in every way. Um, you know, sometimes I get, I get asked like, "Oh, Elon, can you remove a note?" Uh, you know, mostly by the left, but (laughs) sometimes by the right. And I'm like, I'm like, "I don't even remove, remove notes on my own account." Nothing. And, and, and by the way, everything is totally open. So, if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:57

       Yeah.

   23. EMElon Musk26:57

       Like, it's not gonna be subtle.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       That is the best counter to misinformation.

   25. EMElon Musk27:00

       Yes, absolutely.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       Yeah. Like, you let everybody look at it and say, "Okay, here's what the actual fact says."

   27. EMElon Musk27:05

       Yes, exactly.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:06

       Yeah.

   29. EMElon Musk27:06

       The counter to misinformation is better information.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:09

       Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community.
8. 27:35 – 35:50

   Pennsylvania controversy and constitutional messaging: free speech, guns, and UK arrests

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:35

      So, as of today, when you were l- litera- on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail-

   2. EMElon Musk27:42

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:42

      ... in Pennsylvania.

   4. EMElon Musk27:43

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:43

      Tell me what the fuck is happening?

   6. EMElon Musk27:45

      Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. Um, so we're, we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, uh, you know, I've been, been, uh, I've given a whole bunch of talks in, throughout the s- the, the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, um, so I've been giving ta- And I spent three years in Pennsylvania. I went to college in, in Philadelphia. So, um, so it's not like I'm a, a total, I'm not like a total stranger to the state, you know? I spent three years there. Um, and, um, and, and, and we, you know, we, we've, we've organized this, uh, petition in support of the Constitution, um, which I think is a good thing. Um, and, and specifically s- uh, asking people to, uh, it's g- and, and we wanted this to be like, um, r- registered voters in swing states. Like basically, we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution, because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. There have been, especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that, that the, that the First Amendment is an obstacle because... And, and they're claiming, "Oh, the First Amendment is, is enabling dis- disinformation, misinformation." And I'm like, "Yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment, like freedom of speech." The, the reason that the founders of the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if, if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms is there to protect freedom of speech. Um, you know, um... You know, and I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they, they're like, "We want to take everyone's guns away." And I'm like, "Yo, can you guarantee me that the government, that we will never have a tyrannical government in the, in the United States? Can you, can you make that guarantee?" They're like, "Well, nobody can make that guarantee." I'm like, "Then we need to keep our guns, because that's what, that's what's going to stop it."

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:51

      That sounds crazy for people to hear, because they think about gun violence-

   8. EMElon Musk29:55

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:55

      ... and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in, is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're, you're seeing-

   10. EMElon Musk30:10

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       ... I, I think the, the number of people that have been arrested for just social media, uh, posts is bananas. It's in the thousands.

   12. EMElon Musk30:18

       Yes. Several thousand people have been, have been given prison sentences, sentences in the UK for social media posts that, where there was no explicit link to actual violence.... but they just said it encouraged violence. I'm like, "Well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post?" Uh, well, no. But they, they're just, uh, and, and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK so they, uh, quite literally are releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       That is so wild.

   14. EMElon Musk30:52

       Like, it's, you're like, "What-"

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       It's so wild that people can't see that.

   16. EMElon Musk30:55

       "... what the fuck, you know, is going on?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       And what's insane to me is-

   18. EMElon Musk30:57

       Make Orwell fiction again.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       Yeah.

   20. EMElon Musk30:59

       You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson.

   22. EMElon Musk31:03

       Absolutely.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       John Kerry.

   24. EMElon Musk31:04

       Yeah. Uh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Uh, uh, Hillary Clinton.

   26. EMElon Musk31:05

       John Kerry, John Kerry was one of the people who said that, uh, he's on camera rec- like, a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is a pro- is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes.

   28. EMElon Musk31:19

       Yes. Exactly.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       You have a solution in something- that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.

   30. EMElon Musk31:23

       Yes. And, and even without a community note, you can reply to a post and with, with evidence that cl- that, that shows that the post is wrong.
9. 35:50 – 39:52

   Twitter Files and government-platform entanglement: portals, payments, and deletion policies

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:50

      Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? 'Cause I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and, and on discourse. Because when, when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual-

   2. EMElon Musk36:11

      Yeah, all the time.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:11

      ... they did, they did the same thing to Facebook, they had them throttle pieces of, one of Tucker Carlson's show, they, they suppressed the views by 50%.

   4. EMElon Musk36:19

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:20

      Of factual information.

   6. EMElon Musk36:22

      Yeah, no, there, there was, there was massive government interference in Twitter. Um, but, but, like, Twitter welcomed it. That's important to... All, all Twitter welcomed it. Uh, it, it, I mean, Tw- all Twitter was controlled by, by far left activists.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:35

      (smacks lips) Yeah.

   8. EMElon Musk36:35

      So, uh-And, and, uh, they, they welcomed the government interference. The govern- they got paid by the government for it. Uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:43

      That's crazy.

   10. EMElon Musk36:44

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:44

       They got paid for their time, correct? Is that how it worked?

   12. EMElon Musk36:46

       Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for, for suppressing information.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       So it's like billed time-

   14. EMElon Musk36:50

       And, and, and a bunch of it was, like, flat-out illegal. Like, the F- FBI had this, like, this, this, this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system. Uh, w- and, and the, but all of the communication in that, uh, sort of in this portal was auto deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even know what was said because it was auto deleted after two weeks.

   15. JRJoe Rogan37:08

       That's insane.

   16. EMElon Musk37:09

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan37:10

       That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.

   18. EMElon Musk37:13

       It's not, it's super not okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:14

       No, it's super not okay, it's unconstitutional and no one would want that. No one would want the government-

   20. EMElon Musk37:20

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:20

       ... to have that kind of access.

   22. EMElon Musk37:22

       Exactly.

   23. JRJoe Rogan37:23

       And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like, uh, you had anticipated there was gonna be problems when you, when you released that. Like, what was, what happened?

   24. EMElon Musk37:34

       Well, we got a lot of, we, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars. Um, and, um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:41

       Which is crazy because it's essentially, like, one of the most important forms of journalism-

   26. EMElon Musk37:45

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       ... is exposing government corruption.

   28. EMElon Musk37:47

       Yes. Uh, I mean, this is the weird, weird thing. It's like, the left used to be, uh, big, big on exposing government corruption, but n- but once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption.

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:59

       Right, they want to pretend that the left wing government's incapable-

   30. EMElon Musk38:02

       Yes.
10. 39:52 – 45:35

    COVID-era “psyop,” Fauci, pharma incentives, and failures of accountability

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:52

       No apologies. Yeah, and you know, the whole Fauci thing.

    2. EMElon Musk39:56

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:56

       Like any criticism of Fauci is like anti-science.

    4. EMElon Musk39:59

       I think he's a freaking demon if you ask me.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:01

       If you read RFK's book-

    6. EMElon Musk40:03

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:03

       ... if, The Real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could-

    8. EMElon Musk40:09

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:09

       ... find the sources, and on top of it, he's never been sued for that book.

    10. EMElon Musk40:12

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Which doesn't make any sense. If he just-

    12. EMElon Musk40:13

        Exactly.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:13

        ... made a bunch of lies up he would get sued.

    14. EMElon Musk40:15

        Yes.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:16

        So the guy's a monster.

    16. EMElon Musk40:17

        I think so.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        Yeah, I think so too.

    18. EMElon Musk40:19

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        Yeah.

    20. EMElon Musk40:20

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        Yeah, I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul.

    22. EMElon Musk40:29

        But, but he, he, people... Uh, I think a lot of, maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the, the, the, the bioweapons research that was going on in, in Wuhan. And he, he bank-shorted it off... Like i- like, he can't send the money directly to China, so he just bank-shorted it off of EcoHealth.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:42

        Right.

    24. EMElon Musk40:42

        That's this, like, fake nonprofit in the US.

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:45

        Right.

    26. EMElon Musk40:45

        And they sent it to Wuhan.

    27. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014.

    28. EMElon Musk40:49

        Yes. I mean, so, you know, um, to, to give Obama, throw Obama, give Obama some credit, he actually was, like, looking at this to say, "Hey, this is crazy." And, uh, "We, we need, we..." And he, so he, he actually did s- uh, stop the, the, this, like, like, the so-called gain, gain-of-function, again, a propaganda word, uh, because what is the function they're talking about? Death. (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:10

        Right, right.

    30. EMElon Musk41:11

        Okay? (laughs)
11. 45:35 – 51:05

    Psychedelic therapy vs opioids: drug policy contradictions and addiction variability

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       But yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans?

    2. EMElon Musk45:39

       Yeah. They should let MDMA through, honestly. That... I think that'll actually help a lot of people. It's-

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       It would help a lot of people.

    4. EMElon Musk45:45

       It would help a lot of people.

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       There's a lot of different therapies, sp- specifically p- psil- psilocybin, ibogaine.

    6. EMElon Musk45:50

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       The fact you have to go to Mexico to get, uh, ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there-

    8. EMElon Musk45:56

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       ... and it's like completely given them a, a clean slate-

    10. EMElon Musk45:59

        Yeah, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan45:59

        ... refreshed their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions.

    12. EMElon Musk46:06

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:06

        Illegal.

    14. EMElon Musk46:06

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:07

        Illegal. OxyContin, go get it. (laughs)

    16. EMElon Musk46:10

        Yeah. Um, and I know some people who, like, their, their life was ruined by OxyContin.

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:15

        Oh, yeah.

    18. EMElon Musk46:16

        'Cause, uh, I mean, it, it, it really depends on s- on, you know, somebody's in- individual biochemistry. Um, like, to me, like, like, um, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, I... You know, I've had them when I've had operations or something, and, uh, they, they, they, they're, they barely affect the, my, my pain level and they make me, like, itchy and uncomfortable. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:34

        They make me stupid.

    20. EMElon Musk46:35

        (laughs) Yeah, they... Exactly. But, but I'm like... So, so like, like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or, or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, it... 'cause my biochemistry just, does, does not have... But like, but I love tasty food. If you're like, you know-

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:50

        Yeah.

    22. EMElon Musk46:50

        ... you know, if, if, if there's... I'm addicted to tasty food, sure. Um, but like, there's, there's, it can be... Like I have a whole wall of, wall of alcohol that's there for decoration. (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan46:59

        Yeah.

    24. EMElon Musk46:59

        I never touch it, basically.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        I feel the same way. Uh, I could easily quit alcohol.

    26. EMElon Musk47:02

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:02

        I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink.

    28. EMElon Musk47:04

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:04

        It doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races.

    30. EMElon Musk47:08

        Exactly.
12. 51:05 – 1:11:36

    Adderall, meth, and culture war detours: McAfee, the squirrel raid, and government overreach

    1. EMElon Musk51:05

       Um, and so, um, i- y- the, and un- un- I c- I, I have actually seen people like become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse, you know? It's, it's like an anger amplifier. So, they're-

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       Yes.

    3. EMElon Musk51:19

       ... um... Now, now, I'm not saying... Like, Adderall is something like where there's, there are pluses and minuses, it's not a clear-cut issue.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:24

       Right.

    5. EMElon Musk51:24

       Um, it does help some people a great deal. Um, and, uh, but, but in, in higher doses, man, that, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on, on high doses of Adderall, just, they're, the, the, they're just angry, like extremely angry all the time.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       Yeah. They're methed up.

    7. EMElon Musk51:42

       (laughs) Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:42

       Yeah.

    9. EMElon Musk51:42

       That's the, that's what happens if you take meth. (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:45

        It's crazy, well-

    11. EMElon Musk51:46

        You, you, you turn it... Like, meth turns you into a freaking rage demon. (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:49

        And so-

    13. EMElon Musk51:50

        And I'm like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:51

        ... and so many prescriptions.

    15. EMElon Musk51:52

        And I'm like, "Jesus."

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        We, we Googled it-

    17. EMElon Musk51:54

        You know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:54

        ... like in one year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country.

    19. EMElon Musk51:59

        Oh, yeah, yeah. Th- like once in a while, there's like an Adderall shortage and like there's like wa- widespread panic, you know? (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:04

        (laughs) And then what do people do?

    21. EMElon Musk52:05

        It's like... (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:05

        And then it's the same thing as like when they tried to like limit the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, your guy who sells you weed is like, "Hey, man, I can get you like, like low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took," like-

    23. EMElon Musk52:20

        Well, they, they had high-grade meth actually, they had pharmaceutical-grade. It was p- they had epic, (laughs) they had epic meth. (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:24

        (laughs)

    25. EMElon Musk52:25

        It was like made by the... Like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is gonna be the- u- if- w- i- f- w- i- like, there's, there's, the... I mean, there's... I mean, it's... You just look at the freaking, um, online Wikipedia page. But there's like many different versions of meth, like they're all the same, um, and, and they have different effects. Um, so, but, but like pharmaceutical-grade pure meth, you are gonna be... Oh, my God. (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:45

        Super productive.

    27. EMElon Musk52:46

        Super productive for a certain period of time.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:49

        (laughs)

    29. EMElon Musk52:49

        And, and you're not gonna sleep for a while, and, uh, and, and then you, you will, you w- will have some anger management issues. Um, so like, like, uh, y- they actually, the, uh, the, the Nazis, they did actually s- um, uh, uh, go roll back how much meth they were using because (laughs) they had, they had quite a few incidents of, of the, of the soldiers killing their officers (laughs) because they were on too much meth.

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:14

        Jesus Christ.

Episode duration: 2:38:40