Joe Rogan Experience #2224 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 2:12

   Election-day riffing: live show fears, Trump jokes, and conspiracy-brain culture

   1. TDTim Dillon0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. It's the end of the world as we know it. How are you feeling?

   4. TDTim Dillon0:16

      I'm feeling good, thank you for having-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Real good.

   6. TDTim Dillon0:17

      I heard you were having a problem getting big guests-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      (laughs)

   8. TDTim Dillon0:21

      ... and things were not going good. And I, I said, "Hey, I'll fly in and, and I'll help." I'm always here to help.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Well, we were talking about doing a live show-

   10. TDTim Dillon0:28

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       ... at the Mothership.

   12. TDTim Dillon0:30

       Sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       But then somebody told a Puerto Rican joke, and we're like, "Maybe that's not a good idea."

   14. TDTim Dillon0:33

       Yeah, I mean... (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (laughs)

   16. TDTim Dillon0:37

       It was, uh, you know, it might have been. We don't know. It could've been interesting, could've been, uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       It would've been fun, but-

   18. TDTim Dillon0:43

       Could've been fun.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... you know, whatever. What are you gonna do?

   20. TDTim Dillon0:45

       Yeah, it's election, it's election day.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       If, uh, if Trump loses, he's on suicide watch.

   22. TDTim Dillon0:50

       If Trump loses, we're gonna have to hide him.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       (laughs)

   24. TDTim Dillon0:52

       We're gonna have to pay a cartel to shelter him for a, a period of months or years.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       They'll take him in Canada. He can just move up to Canada.

   26. TDTim Dillon1:00

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Sort of change his rhetoric a little bit.

   28. TDTim Dillon1:02

       Yeah, yeah. No, if, if Trump loses, it definitely, he definitely will have to, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Kind of tone it down.

   30. TDTim Dillon1:07

       Eh, you know, he might have to-
2. 2:12 – 4:07

   Decadence as a collapse signal: celebrity chefs, tasting menus, and indulgence fatigue

   1. TDTim Dillon2:12

      ... they make celebrities out of chefs, like, that get very decadent. This happened in Rome, and there's, there's, there's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Really?

   3. TDTim Dillon2:18

      Yeah. Like, they, they... Like, people that provide you these comforts become celebrities because you're getting-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      Oh.

   5. TDTim Dillon2:25

      You're just living very-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      Get so much comfort, right.

   7. TDTim Dillon2:27

      Living a decadent-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Ah.

   9. TDTim Dillon2:29

      ... lifestyle. And-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       Oh, that's... I never considered that. That's-

   11. TDTim Dillon2:32

       So, it's one of the things that people say is, like, a harbinger of the apocalypse, is, like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Celebrity chefs?

   13. TDTim Dillon2:39

       People just focusing way too much on, like, you know, artisanal, you know, donuts or whatever.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Right. My wife likes going to those places.

   15. TDTim Dillon2:48

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Where they serve you, like, 13 different things.

   17. TDTim Dillon2:50

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       And each one is the size of a quarter.

   19. TDTim Dillon2:51

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       I need a steak. I need a-

   21. TDTim Dillon2:53

       It's very, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Bring it all at once. I'm a glutton.

   23. TDTim Dillon2:56

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       I need my food in a large plate.

   25. TDTim Dillon2:59

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       I need a, just a giant fucking-

   27. TDTim Dillon3:02

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       ... hunk of meat.

   29. TDTim Dillon3:03

       Well, it's also so much time. It's, like, three hours.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       I can't do it.
3. 4:07 – 5:41

   Oversharing, modern therapy-speak, and the medicalization of personality

   1. TDTim Dillon4:07

      ... I hate people that ruin meals with real discussions about anything. That's depressing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      That is a problem.

   3. TDTim Dillon4:13

      Anybody who comes out, and if there's money being spent, keep it to yourself.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      (laughs)

   5. TDTim Dillon4:18

      Talk about things that we can all get on board. Nobody cares, you know, "Oh, do you... My dad's gonna beat it. He's a fighter." "Hey, hey, hey, not now."

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      Yeah.

   7. TDTim Dillon4:26

      Yeah. I'm-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      It's, uh, the emotion dump that just, like-

   9. TDTim Dillon4:30

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       ... "What am I supposed to do with all this?"

   11. TDTim Dillon4:31

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       "Now I have all your emotions in a pile on my lawn."

   13. TDTim Dillon4:33

       It's too much. People talk too much about personal things, and then they expect you to offer them some degree of comfort.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Right. What can you do?

   15. TDTim Dillon4:42

       You can't do anything.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       There's nothing you can do. Keep it to yourself.

   17. TDTim Dillon4:43

       "I'm sorry your sister has borderline personality disorder."

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       What is that exactly?

   19. TDTim Dillon4:47

       It's th- It's th-

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       Is that real?

   21. TDTim Dillon4:50

       No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       (laughs)

   23. TDTim Dillon4:50

       And it's people that just go around ruining all the relationships in their life.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Oh, so they come up with a mental illness.

   25. TDTim Dillon4:55

       So it just means you're a piece of shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       Right.

   27. TDTim Dillon4:58

       Which is fine. And then there's, they, so they just say it's bord- they're borderline.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Right, 'cause there's a lot of, like, mental things like that, that are just sort of patterns that people fall into.

   29. TDTim Dillon5:07

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Like, if you're rude-
4. 5:41 – 8:46

   War, patriotism, and why conflict feels unreal until you’ve lived it

   1. TDTim Dillon5:41

      There are people you meet... I have grown friends in my life that are... You know, I'm 39, and they're in their late 30s, and I'm like, "The best version of you is dying in the Ukraine."

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      (laughs)

   3. TDTim Dillon5:52

      You should be a flag on a mantle, and we should point to you and go, "This, he made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom." And that's the best version of them.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:59

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon5:59

      And we don't have enough wars. We don't have enough...... dead people, so-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:03

      Well, if we had-

   7. TDTim Dillon6:04

      ... and when Kamala wins, we're gonna change that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      We are. If we had more wars, one thing that people would appreciate is the whole concept of America.

   9. TDTim Dillon6:11

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       Like if we got attacked-

   11. TDTim Dillon6:12

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       ... like after 9/11-

   13. TDTim Dillon6:14

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       ... after 9/11, I don't know where you were, um, but I was in LA and the fucking ... well, you're a lot younger than me-

   15. TDTim Dillon6:19

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       ... but the flags on people's cars were everywhere in Los Angeles-

   17. TDTim Dillon6:24

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       ... which is crazy. It's like everyone was super pa- patriotic. And people merged-

   19. TDTim Dillon6:29

       I was in New York and it felt, it felt, uh, you know, people get mad when you say this. It, it was the best time ever to live in America-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Yeah.

   21. TDTim Dillon6:36

       ... after 9/11.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       Isn't that crazy?

   23. TDTim Dillon6:37

       It was the warmest time you felt. I never felt better about the country.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       United. Yeah.

   25. TDTim Dillon6:44

       We felt united. We were compassionate. We truly loved each other.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       I think that's how people in Israel feel every day.

   27. TDTim Dillon6:52

       Really?

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Yep. Yeah.

   29. TDTim Dillon6:53

       Isn't it so they go through it so much that they're desensitized-

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       Mm-hmm.
5. 8:46 – 14:52

   Sponsor break and election-night bit: ‘called it for Kamala’ + media retaliation talk

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:46

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   2. TDTim Dillon10:44

      252. They just called it for Kamala.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:46

      (laughs)

   4. TDTim Dillon10:48

      And, (laughs) and I'm excited about it because many of us-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      What is-

   6. TDTim Dillon10:53

      ... will be in jail if we don't-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:54

      What is the current results-

   8. TDTim Dillon10:54

      If you don't get excited right now-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:56

      Yeah, you'd be in jail.

   10. TDTim Dillon10:56

       ... many of us will go, go right to jail.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Right.

   12. TDTim Dillon10:59

       So-

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       It's like when Dear Leader died and you had to cry-

   14. TDTim Dillon11:01

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       ... for six months.

   16. TDTim Dillon11:02

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       If you didn't cry, they put you in jail.

   18. TDTim Dillon11:04

       Yeah. I don't think we should get nuts with the counting. If it feels good-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       (laughs)

   20. TDTim Dillon11:10

       If it feels good, let's just do it. If it feel-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       Right.

   22. TDTim Dillon11:13

       To me, the numbers and the columns and the tabulation kind of is a waste of time.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       I think we just go with whatever Joy Reid thinks.

   24. TDTim Dillon11:21

       Whatever, whatever they want. I mean-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       Did you see Rachel Maddow calling for Elon Musk contracts to be taken away?

   26. TDTim Dillon11:26

       I didn't. But that's... that's kind of makes sense I guess if you're Rachel Maddow, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Uh, but it's the most bananas thing ever. You have-

   28. TDTim Dillon11:33

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       ... literally one of the greatest geniuses-

   30. TDTim Dillon11:37

       Yeah.
6. 14:52 – 17:50

   Elon, Ukraine, and ‘vote on it’: war funding, border policy, and voter ID

   1. TDTim Dillon14:52

      Elon refused to provide Starlink to the Ukraine because they were gonna use it to attack Russia, and there was going to be a dramatic escalation in the war.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Right.

   3. TDTim Dillon15:00

      And I think he was trying to avoid that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon15:03

      I think he was trying to avoid a dramatic escalation in that war.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Well, he's probably fucking right.

   7. TDTim Dillon15:08

      So do people that want a dramatic escalation in that war-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      (laughs)

   9. TDTim Dillon15:12

      ... the people that think that's a good idea, he's, um, an enemy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Yeah, y-... Fucking Christ. It's... That's, that's something I think people should be voting on. Imagine if you put it up to vote for people, like, "Hey, do you guys think we should fund Ukraine to the tu- tune of 190 billion?"

   11. TDTim Dillon15:29

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       And maybe have someone else come along and say, "This is an alternative of what we could do with that money."

   13. TDTim Dillon15:32

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       You know?

   15. TDTim Dillon15:33

       There's no vote on that. There's no vote on a lot of the things that we're told to live with.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah.

   17. TDTim Dillon15:40

       There's never been a, a, a, a vote on immigration. There's votes for candidates to support it or don't support it, but there's never been a vote on should, you know, "Should we secure the southern border," would unanimously be voted on.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah.

   19. TDTim Dillon15:53

       And people would unanimously pretty much say, "Absolutely."

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Well, how about the voter ID laws?

   21. TDTim Dillon15:58

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       84% of America think we should have voter ID.

   23. TDTim Dillon16:01

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Uh-huh.

   25. TDTim Dillon16:02

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       I showed my ID today. Um, Jamie, what's the total so far? What's the, like, the latest results?

   27. NANarrator16:07

       We won't know for a few hours.

   28. TDTim Dillon16:09

       So here's what I will say about-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       We don't know anything?

   30. NANarrator16:10

       The polls don't close until-
7. 17:50 – 21:11

   Culture-war flashpoints: trans sports, donor class incentives, and school activism

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:50

      You know they found out that that boxer that won a gold medal in the Olympics is actually a man?

   2. TDTim Dillon17:55

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:55

      The one that-

   4. TDTim Dillon17:56

      That's, that's not shocking.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:56

      ... everyone was complaining was-

   6. TDTim Dillon17:58

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:58

      ... was a biological male.

   8. TDTim Dillon17:59

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:59

      Like, "You piece of shit."

   10. TDTim Dillon18:00

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       "They have a medical condition." No. Has a micro penis.

   12. TDTim Dillon18:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Internal testicles.

   14. TDTim Dillon18:05

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       Went through male puberty, biological male.

   16. TDTim Dillon18:07

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       XY chromosome, whole deal.

   18. TDTim Dillon18:09

       It's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Won a gold medal in the women's Olympics in boxing.

   20. TDTim Dillon18:11

       It's so crazy to me, and I think the biggest problem is the donor class, because the donor class of the Democratic Party, and like Republican Party, you either have people that are business owners that are donating because of business interests or you have radicals-

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       Right.

   22. TDTim Dillon18:24

       ... that are donating because they are-... a, a, a radical activist that wants something that the American public thinks is crazy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       Right.

   24. TDTim Dillon18:32

       And biological men competing in women's sports is something most people think is crazy. And, and 13-year-olds getting, uh, puberty blocking hormones, 11-year-old, you know, all that stuff, most people think it's crazy. But they have to just kowtow to this donor base that is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:48

       Insane.

   26. TDTim Dillon18:48

       ... maniacal-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       Maniacal and insane.

   28. TDTim Dillon18:50

       ... and insane.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       Yeah. Yeah, it's all about money, right?

   30. TDTim Dillon18:52

       It's all about money. And they, it's the, the, the money guys are at least like, at least the billionaires will go, "I wanna build a casino," or, "I wanna do this, I wanna do that, I wanna pollute a lake." This isn't good, but you know where they're coming from. When you have these radical activists, they're-
8. 21:11 – 29:57

   Democratic Party realignment: elites, Sanders, ‘joy’ messaging, and Biden’s disappearance

   1. TDTim Dillon21:11

      And they, they're just not, you know, I don't think they are... Nobody's pushing back in a way... Like, there's a lot of elitism and condescension that comes from the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party used to be a party of unions, of workers, of worker's rights.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:27

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TDTim Dillon21:28

      And, and, and it was a, a party that my, people like my grandmother in, was in for years because she believed that people should be able to have healthcare, they should be able to have sick leave, or they should be able to have maternity care, whatever it is. But then it became a party dominated by kind of corporate elites, very wealthy donors, uh, Wall Street people, finance people, and also very radical fringe elements that are advocating policies that most Americans don't agree with. And then you, you cobble together that coalesce- that coalition of interest groups. And the only way that works is if you condescend to... Because you can't have these debates 'cause they lose them.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:07

      Right.

   5. TDTim Dillon22:07

      They lose the debates.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:08

      Right.

   7. TDTim Dillon22:08

      So you can't have them. So the way to shut down a debate is to tell people, "If you don't agree with me, you're racist."

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:12

      Mm-hmm.

   9. TDTim Dillon22:13

      "You're, uh, homophobic, transphobic, uh, you're an idiot, you're stupid."

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:17

       Right.

   11. TDTim Dillon22:17

       "You're not worthy of having this discussion," because they don't wanna have the discussion. Because if they wanted to have a debate about healthcare, that's a debate.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       Right.

   13. TDTim Dillon22:25

       People understand that. If they wanted to have a 'bate about like, debate about early childhood education, people understand that. But the things they're choosing to focus on, like having a wide open southern border, for example, benefits nobody.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:38

       Right.

   15. TDTim Dillon22:38

       Truly. U- unless you are a billionaire, multimillionaire who wants to hire people and pay them less money. Um, it doesn't really even benefit the people that are coming into the country because they're working for wages that are far less. Um, and it certainly doesn't benefit Americans. But like, they don't wanna have that argument.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:56

       Well, it benefits the people that are coming into the country 'cause they're coming from a place where they have fucking zero.

   17. TDTim Dillon23:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       So if they work for very little-

   19. TDTim Dillon23:02

       Sure.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       ... they're happy, they got 10 people in a house.

   21. TDTim Dillon23:04

       Sure.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       They're not getting shot at every day.

   23. TDTim Dillon23:06

       But they, they're also m- much more likely to be taken advantage of than somebody who's a citizen.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:11

       Right. For sure.

   25. TDTim Dillon23:12

       So they're not gonna unionize or they're not gonna, you know, be able to assert themselves at all.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:17

       Right. That's the argument for offering these people amnesty. But the thing is like, you've gotta vet them. You gotta figure out who's a fucking criminal. Like, I'm all for letting poor people in-

   27. TDTim Dillon23:25

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:25

       ... that want a better life. But I, I'm not for, i- illegal workers.

   29. TDTim Dillon23:29

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:30

       Meaning like, I think those people should be paid what Americans are paid.
9. 29:57 – 37:14

   Information control and election interference: Hunter laptop, Google bias, and media framing of Trump

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:57

      You know what? I had a chance to have him on the podcast.

   2. TDTim Dillon30:00

      No. Joe! And you didn't?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      I fucked up. I fucked up.

   4. TDTim Dillon30:02

      Oh, my God.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      It was early, early on when he was writing a book. Remember when he wrote a book?

   6. TDTim Dillon30:07

      I remember that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Yeah, they- they reached out to- to get press. And then the laptop story kind of blew up.

   8. TDTim Dillon30:13

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      And-

   10. TDTim Dillon30:13

       Yeah, well then-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       And then I was like, "Get him on." And then they were like, "No."

   12. TDTim Dillon30:16

       "No, we d-... You don't want a pre-laptop."

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Little-

   14. TDTim Dillon30:20

       "You want him post-laptop."

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       This was post-laptop, but they thought-

   16. TDTim Dillon30:23

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       ... they had squashed it. So this was before Elon had purchased Twitter.

   18. TDTim Dillon30:27

       Gotcha.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       Once Elon purchased Twitter and then they understood-

   20. TDTim Dillon30:29

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       ... that there was a coordinated effort by 51 former intelligence agents-

   22. TDTim Dillon30:33

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       ... to say that the laptop was Russian disinformation.

   24. TDTim Dillon30:36

       That's right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       And then- and then the fucking cat's out of the bag and then everybody knows what's going on, but...

   26. TDTim Dillon30:40

       Well, this is- you also the problem with saying that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when you have...... literally, like, credible, documented examples of intelligence officials lying to the public and facing zero consequences.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Yeah.

   28. TDTim Dillon30:57

       And trying to manipulate an election.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah.

   30. TDTim Dillon30:59

       I mean, that's, that's, that's a huge problem.
10. 37:14 – 42:45

    Shenanigans, ‘not zero’ fraud, and suspicion around security-state accountability

    1. TDTim Dillon37:14

       So, I don't want to upset you. But, no, I mean, do you, do you think it's going... 'cause me and you talked about this. I think it will be decided tonight. But you think maybe not.

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:26

       No.

    3. TDTim Dillon37:27

       Okay.

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:27

       Not if it's close.

    5. TDTim Dillon37:28

       Interesting.

    6. JRJoe Rogan37:29

       I think that's when shenanigans take place.

    7. TDTim Dillon37:31

       Shenanigans.

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:32

       If shenanigans are real-

    9. TDTim Dillon37:34

       Uh, yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        ... okay, if there's, is the really, there's manipulation, manipulation will take place at four o'clock in the morning.

    11. TDTim Dillon37:40

        Interesting.

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:41

        Don't you think?

    13. TDTim Dillon37:42

        Well-

    14. JRJoe Rogan37:42

        Don't you think that's when ballots show up? I mean, if you're gonna cheat-

    15. TDTim Dillon37:45

        Here's the deal-

    16. JRJoe Rogan37:46

        ... on both sides.

    17. TDTim Dillon37:46

        ... my grandmother-

    18. JRJoe Rogan37:47

        I'm not accusing any side.

    19. TDTim Dillon37:47

        ... my grandmother died in 2017. She was a big Democrat.

    20. JRJoe Rogan37:50

        She been voting lately?

    21. TDTim Dillon37:51

        And she voted six times for Kamala Harris.

    22. JRJoe Rogan37:54

        (laughs)

    23. TDTim Dillon37:54

        And if you think that's wrong, that's disgusting.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:56

        (laughs)

    25. TDTim Dillon37:57

        I don't know what to tell you.

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:58

        That's who she would have voted for.

    27. TDTim Dillon37:59

        She probably would have, yeah, of course.

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:00

        So, in her honor.

    29. TDTim Dillon38:01

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:02

        In her honor, vote for her.
11. 42:45 – 54:54

    From Vegas to deep-state vibes: missing details, fast-moving news, and public amnesia

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       Hey, how much do you know about the Vegas thing? Is it true that there's-

    2. TDTim Dillon42:49

       Not enough, but that's never stopped me before.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:50

       ... three women that were checked into the room with him? I was reading this thing the other day about how there's three unaccounted for women that apparently checked into the room with him.

    4. TDTim Dillon42:58

       Interesting. I, I don't know that, but-

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:02

       What is-What's that, Jamie?

    6. NANarrator43:03

       I've never heard that.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:04

       You never heard that?

    8. NANarrator43:04

       I've researched a lot. I mean, there's, uh, cell phones, I think, that were found that were unaccounted for. He had a girlfriend that wasn't there that I think he sent to the Philippines or something like that, but I've never heard-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:14

       That's right.

    10. TDTim Dillon43:14

        Mary Lou Danley was the girlfriend-

    11. NANarrator43:16

        I've never heard of anyone there.

    12. TDTim Dillon43:16

        ... who went to the Philippines. Jamie's controlled opposition.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:18

        He is. (laughs)

    14. TDTim Dillon43:19

        The point, you know, you can't really defend-

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:20

        He's a Reddit mod. (laughs)

    16. TDTim Dillon43:21

        I mean, he's a guy, he doesn't-

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:23

        (laughs)

    18. TDTim Dillon43:23

        Who knows where he's...

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:25

        (laughs)

    20. TDTim Dillon43:25

        He's getting texts from Netanyahu, this guy.

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:28

        (sighs) Kamala Harris-

    22. TDTim Dillon43:28

        Um-

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:29

        ... is on speed dial.

    24. TDTim Dillon43:30

        Yeah. I don't know. It feels... It's an interesting day because everybody has a, a weird tension.

    25. JRJoe Rogan43:35

        Yeah.

    26. TDTim Dillon43:35

        Not here. People are friendly here. But I was just in a car accident and everyone was friendly. Um, and the cops were f- everyone was kind of friendly. But there-

    27. JRJoe Rogan43:43

        Didn't anybody recognize you?

    28. TDTim Dillon43:45

        No.

    29. JRJoe Rogan43:45

        Did you wear the glasses?

    30. TDTim Dillon43:46

        Yeah. There was-
12. 54:54 – 58:19

    Campaign spectacle: celebrity rallies, Michelle Obama’s talent, and tribal extremism

    1. TDTim Dillon54:54

       Well, Oprah... Last night, I'm watching a rally and I'm watching, Oprah's out there and she goes, "If you cast a b- if you don't cast a ballot for Kamala, you may never be able to cast a ballot again," which seems extreme.

    2. JRJoe Rogan55:04

       That's so crazy. She said that?

    3. TDTim Dillon55:05

       Can you get the r- rally... I want you to watch this. will.i.am is on the rally and he's doing this crazy Kamala rap, and then there were these two white kids, like college kids, like awkwardly dancing to this music. And then there's Doug Emhoff and then Tim Walz, and I'm like...... these are the whitest people. Like, K- Kamala's just surrounded by this circle of, like, white nerds and weird people, and they're all, like, kinda trying to dance, and it's like a really-

    4. JRJoe Rogan55:32

       (laughs)

    5. TDTim Dillon55:32

       ... sad... Whereas Michelle Obama's just a much better speaker.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:35

       (laughs)

    7. TDTim Dillon55:35

       Like, Michelle Obama-

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:37

       Why didn't she run?

    9. TDTim Dillon55:38

       I don't know why.

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:38

        She would have won.

    11. TDTim Dillon55:39

        She is a v-

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        In a landslide.

    13. TDTim Dillon55:41

        When you watch her talk, you go-

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:42

        Yeah.

    15. TDTim Dillon55:42

        ... she has political talent. It's raw. It's amazing. She can deliver.

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:46

        I think she wanted more money.

    17. TDTim Dillon55:46

        She can deliver.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:47

        She didn't want to f- she went with it through her husband.

    19. TDTim Dillon55:49

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:50

        Fuck the fuck doing that.

    21. TDTim Dillon55:51

        I think she was like, "Fuck this." It's a pr- it's probably-

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        "Fuck that."

    23. TDTim Dillon55:53

        ... a shitty job.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:54

        Not only that, you don't make as much money as you do being an ex-president.

    25. TDTim Dillon55:56

        Yeah, I think if Trump didn't have the rallies, he might not want to even do it, because it probably sucks once you're in there, but it's probably fun to be able to go on the road. Like, he goes on the road like a comedian.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:04

        Right.

    27. TDTim Dillon56:05

        And he's able to kind of... You know, I bet once you get in there and you realize, "Oh, this is how it all works, and this is how many deals everybody has that are preexisting, and if I, if I touch this, this happens, if I touch that, that happens."

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:17

        Yeah.

    29. TDTim Dillon56:17

        I bet it's probably not that fun.

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:20

        Well, I bet it's probably fun. Well, first of all, Trump is almost 80 years old, right? He's been famous most of his life.
13. 58:19 – 1:01:03

    Government power, propaganda, and why institutions became ‘the blob’

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:19

       The more you are reasonable, instead of attacking people in this fucking crazy way where we know it's not true. I can't... Like, I used to think Obama was the best president ever, 'cause-

    2. TDTim Dillon58:29

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:30

       ... Obama, I think still to this day, the best statesman.

    4. TDTim Dillon58:33

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:33

       He was the best example that you could take this guy who is from a single family... It's not like he didn't g- single mom.

    6. TDTim Dillon58:40

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:40

       He didn't grow up, uh, with great privilege. Obviously, a brilliant guy, obviously very smart-

    8. TDTim Dillon58:45

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:45

       ... great orator. And hey, we elected a Black president. Maybe racial tensions can r- relax a little bit in this country-

    10. TDTim Dillon58:52

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:52

        ... and realize anybody could rise based on the merit of wh- what-

    12. TDTim Dillon58:56

        Yes.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:56

        ... they can do and who they are and what they stand for. I was like, "He's the best."

    14. TDTim Dillon58:59

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:59

        Finally, I felt really good about America when Obama was the president.

    16. TDTim Dillon59:02

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:02

        Honestly, I wasn't paying attention to politics back then, 'cause I didn't understand about he was one of the worst presidents ever in terms of, uh, going after whistleblowers. Like, that was a part of the Hope and Change website was that they were gonna provide safety to whistleblowers. That's not the case at all. It was-

    18. TDTim Dillon59:18

        No.

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:19

        ... one, one of the worst.

    20. TDTim Dillon59:20

        No. O- Obama was an extension in many ways of the national security policies of George W. Bush.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:27

        Yeah.

    22. TDTim Dillon59:27

        Which was a, you know, kind of zero tolerance policy for whistleblowers, and it was a, you know, the government has proprietary information, and-

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:40

        Yeah.

    24. TDTim Dillon59:41

        ... you know, if you-

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:41

        Well, there was two things that were passed-

    26. TDTim Dillon59:42

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:42

        ... during his administration that should terrify people. One of them, I, I think NDAA was passed during his administration, and the other one was the CIA's ability to use propaganda.

    28. TDTim Dillon59:52

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:52

        That the intelligence agencies are now legally allowed to lie and use propaganda and fake stories in the interest of national security.

    30. TDTim Dillon59:59

        Yeah. The problem really is you're taking on... When you take on this behemoth, this thing that we've built-
14. 1:01:03 – 1:31:17

    Russia/Ukraine incentives: Navalny skepticism, rare-earth minerals, and Lindsey Graham says the quiet part

    1. TDTim Dillon1:01:03

       And I was so mad they all got Russian money. They gave Tim Pool and all these people Russian money. I've been defending Russia for free for two years on my show.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       Well, how-

    3. TDTim Dillon1:01:11

       Not a dollar.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Well, how did they get that money? What is the actual story behind the Russian money thing?

    5. TDTim Dillon1:01:16

       I don't know, but it was a- it was a- it was a front group that was... I guess Russia was giving this group money, and they were sponsoring these media entities that were-... I don't think they even knew. I don't think the people knew-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       Right.

    7. TDTim Dillon1:01:29

       ... that they were getting Russian money. But some of them might have been able to sniff it out, I don't really know.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Here's my question.

    9. TDTim Dillon1:01:33

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

        Isn't that a way that they could compromise you without compromising you?

    11. TDTim Dillon1:01:38

        Sure.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        Just say you're connected to Russian money, it doesn't matter what your opinion is. Like say if your opinion is counter-

    13. TDTim Dillon1:01:43

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

        ... to the narrative, but they sponsor you.

    15. TDTim Dillon1:01:46

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

        And they give you the money, and then it leaks.

    17. TDTim Dillon1:01:49

        A thousand percent, that could've been it. It could've also been Russia doing it, it could've been us doing it. They could've killed Navalny, we could've killed Navalny. There was no reason for them to kill Navalny, he was in a Siberian prison. We had a very, uh-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

        But he was an enemy of Putin, right?

    19. TDTim Dillon1:02:04

        Yeah, but he was-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

        Wouldn't it be more logical-

    21. TDTim Dillon1:02:05

        ... in a prison in Siberia, yo, Navalny-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:07

        ... that Putin just wanted to get him whacked?

    23. TDTim Dillon1:02:08

        No, because Navalny was never c- widely popular in Russia. This is a lie. Navalny was a anti- a very, you know, kind of, you know, anti-Jewish, like kind of really right-wing character, and a lot of his early writings were about that. Then he took a trip to Germany, and then he came back incredibly progressive and very enlightened, talking about Western values.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

        Really?

    25. TDTim Dillon1:02:30

        So he met someone somewhere that said, "Actually, this is better." And he came and said, "Okay," and they're like, "Tamp down the Jew stuff." So then he goes back to Russia-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

        (laughs)

    27. TDTim Dillon1:02:39

        ... you know, does all the things. He, he makes these documentaries that all the Putin's oligarch friends have big houses. Can you imagine that? People that are working with the government get really rich and have big houses? This is crazy. This is only in Russia. So Navalny does this whole thing and he shows all the corruption in Russia, and then our good government people go, "Look how corrupt Russia is. Putin's cronies get all these big houses." (laughs) And Americans go, "Oh my God, it's so corrupt over there." And then, you know, listen, they try to poison him. I'm not defending or saying Putin's a, a great guy, but this idea that, you know, w- we like to look at other places and identify things that we are also doing here.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:18

        Well, that was one of the things that Trump said that people-

    29. TDTim Dillon1:03:19

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:19

        ... got very upset about, remember that?

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