Joe Rogan Experience #2226 - Theo Von

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   4. TVTheo Von0:12

      What up, dog? These are like conversation condoms, aren't they?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah, a little bit. (clears throat) Well, it's like a, a safe room, blocks out the world.

   6. TVTheo Von0:21

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Conversation only exists inside your ears, you know? Locks you in. I, I think it locks you in.

   8. TVTheo Von0:27

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      That's what I like about it.

   10. TVTheo Von0:29

       Yeah, it's almost like a, a football player kind of putting on their helmet.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Right, ready to go, ready to go.

   12. TVTheo Von0:33

       Like, we're ready for this, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yo, how fun was election night at the mothership?

   14. TVTheo Von0:38

       It was baffling, man. I mean, here, I'll tell ... (laughs) It was, uh ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs)

   16. TVTheo Von0:42

       I mean, it was crazy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       It was so much fun. We had such a good time. That green win was so positive, the-

   18. TVTheo Von0:49

       My favorite part, at one point they were playing that song, um, (singing) "You talk about a revolution."

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   20. TVTheo Von0:55

       And people were dancing, people were smoking weed. There was a b- I think there was a baby smoking weed.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       (laughs)

   22. TVTheo Von1:00

       People, there was, everybody was like, people were like, make ... It was crazy, dude.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       It felt-

   24. TVTheo Von1:05

       Adam and Eve were in there. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       (laughs)

   26. TVTheo Von1:07

       It was just, there was just a lot going on.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       It felt like America's brighter. That's what it felt like. We were, we were moving towards this insane world where we're being controlled by liars. We're just being gaslit left and right. We saw it all over the media, we saw it all over the news, things that were right in front of your face, they're trying to deny. There's just so much craziness, and then all of a sudden, poof, the world's woke. Did you see the map of the actual country, like how many places-

   28. TVTheo Von1:41

       I've seen it before.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       ... actually vote, voted red?

   30. TVTheo Von1:44

       Oh, no, I don't know if I saw that or not.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. TVTheo Von15:00

      like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Yeah.

   3. TVTheo Von15:00

      I have to trust my own instincts at some point and know I know him.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Right.

   5. TVTheo Von15:05

      You know, he's a, he's a, somebody I would vouch for.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Right.

   7. TVTheo Von15:08

      You know, he's a good guy and he's been helpful to me, like in, i- in moments, um, where I have had str- have, have struggled as a person, and just, uh, been inspirational to me. You know, it's like I know him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Yeah.

   9. TVTheo Von15:20

      You know, like a friend.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Right, right.

   11. TVTheo Von15:21

       And so, so that's, I think, like, that was something I was, like, super excited about, just to see where everybody was like, "Screw this guy."

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Yeah.

   13. TVTheo Von15:29

       You know? And to see him have a arc where it's like, um... 'Cause all he ever cared about, um, to me, and I don't know, this is just my opinions, dude. Some people, everybody has their own opinions and I'm, I'm an idiot, but, but he had ju- he always cared about, like, um, the rivers and the environment, you know? And then he started to care about the environment inside of our bodies, right? So for me, that all makes sense, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Right.

   15. TVTheo Von15:54

       And so, like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       Well, you know where it all happened from, right?

   17. TVTheo Von15:56

       I was super, like, that was, I was super excited about.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Do you know how he made the transition to being worried about pharmaceutical drugs?

   19. TVTheo Von16:02

       Mm-mm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       He would give these speeches and he, um, he litigated a bunch of lawsuits against corporations that were polluting rivers. They cleaned up the East River. Like, he was an environmental attorney. And, um, they were also talking about the effects of mer- mercury poisoning in the soil and water. And, um, these women kept coming to these things that he was doing and saying, "You need to investigate mercury in vaccines." And, you know, he thought, like, that is, like... Which most people think. You hear vaccine, like, the last thing I wanna be labeled is a vaccine skeptic. Jesus Christ. A vaccine denier? That's like... I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it's like Holocaust denier is number one, but vaccine denier and election denier are, like, right under there.

   21. TVTheo Von16:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       And he started looking into it, particularly the MMR vaccines and, and the correlation between the uptick of all these autoimmune issues, autism spectrum disorders, all these different things that coincided directly with the increase in the vaccine schedule for kids. And so then he starts doing research on it, and the more he does research on it the more it gets uncovered that there's this gigantic machine that's protecting all of this because there's so much money that's being generated, and most of it has to do with during the Reagan administration, they, they gave them immunity to prosecution, so they couldn't... They were no longer liable for whatever side effects the vaccines ca- uh, caused.

   23. TVTheo Von17:27

       Yeah, that's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       Yeah.

   25. TVTheo Von17:28

       That's pretty wild.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Yeah, and then of course these motherfuckers started giving little kids, little babies that were just born Hep B vi- vaccines. Like, what are you doing? Like, that's a, uh, you get that from needles and sex.

   27. TVTheo Von17:41

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       This is a fucking baby.

   29. TVTheo Von17:41

       Unless it's Pam Anderson's baby, dude. I wouldn't-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (clicks tongue) We could hook…

   1. TVTheo Von30:01

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      (clicks tongue) We could hook it up. I know some people.

   3. TVTheo Von30:03

      Um, yeah, dude, it was just what a cr- I mean, just like what a crazy week.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Yeah, very crazy. What ... Well, you were one of the first guys to have him on the podcast. Did you have any hesitancy having him on at all?

   5. TVTheo Von30:17

      (inhales) Um ... My brother actually ... My brother's, my brother's a lot smarter than me, and he said, "Hey, man, uh, I just want you to think that there could be some reflection from people if you have him on," right? Like, you could, people, some people could be upset about it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      Right.

   7. TVTheo Von30:37

      You know? And I thought about that a little bit, and I was like, "Well, I don't really..."Like, I, I, like, I don't know, you know, like, I have political thoughts and beliefs and stuff like that, and it's, like, it's hard to find a group that really embodies them. And if anything, right now for me, it seems like I don't even feel like these new parties are the same as the old parties.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      They're not.

   9. TVTheo Von30:57

      It doesn't seem, like, this isn't democrats and republics. This, there's something else transmorphing right now.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   11. TVTheo Von31:04

       And so, um, I thought, like, I thought, well I think I'm, I just wanna be able to have a chance to talk to this guy, you know? And the main thing for me was, like, um, like you talked about Dana White earlier, he's really, uh, you know, I know that you guys worked together and he, you know, I knew that Trump's brother suffered from addiction, right? I knew that. Right? I, I just, or I heard that or something and I looked into it and it's like, okay he lost his brother, his brother died of addiction. So I was like, well that's interesting to me. You know? And I wish that people, I wonder if there's more to Donald Trump. Like, is there more of a way to talk with him about something that means, you know, a lo- try to get an emotional well, like more of an emotional well to him that see- than it seems like that's in the public.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       Well there was a thing that was going on for a while where you were platforming people. This was the idea, like if you had on a guy like Trump you were platforming this bad person. This was, this was this thing.

   13. TVTheo Von32:05

       Yeah, I didn't think about that at all.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       But it's a, it's, it's an authoritarian way to regulate conversations that let you know more about people and it's stupid because people don't want to have a nuanced perspective on anybody. Look, I'm sh-, this is one of the reasons I wanted to talk to Kamala Harris. I'm like, "I bet there's a person in there. I bet I can get to that person."

   15. TVTheo Von32:24

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       I wanted to find that person. I don't wanna hear all the speeches, I don't wanna hear, uh, "I was raised middle class." I don't wanna hear any of that shit.

   17. TVTheo Von32:31

       She's a roller skater, you know that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       No, I would love to find that out.

   19. TVTheo Von32:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       I would love to talk to her about all kinds of shit. Um, I would, I literally said, like 'cause there was a few restrictions of things they didn't want to talk about, but I said, "I don't give a fuck. Like, we'll get her in here." Like, "Whatever you wanna talk about." And they wanna know if I edit, and like there's not gonna be any editing. There's no editing.

   21. TVTheo Von32:49

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       We're not gonna edit. Uh, but...

   23. TVTheo Von32:52

       Yeah, that's the same thing they asked us.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       I just-

   25. TVTheo Von32:54

       Is there an edit, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:55

       Yeah. I just wanted to talk. I just, like, I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you start talking about anything, I'ma see the pattern of the way you think. I'm gonna see the way you process ideas. I'm gonna see whether or not you're calculated or whether you're just free.

   27. TVTheo Von33:13

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       Or are you comfortable with you or do you, are you projecting things? Like, she's got 80 different accents, how do you decide which one to pull out?

   29. TVTheo Von33:22

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:22

       Like she's got like... (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   That was... Yeah, yeah,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      of Pr-

   2. TVTheo Von45:00

      That was... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Benoit Saint-Denis, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Yeah.

   4. TVTheo Von45:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      No, no, no.

   6. TVTheo Von45:04

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Was it?

   8. TVTheo Von45:05

      Yeah, he beat up Benoit Saint-Denis and knocked him out.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Uh, Islam Makhachev.

   10. TVTheo Von45:10

       That was after that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:10

       He lost to Islam. That was in Jersey.

   12. TVTheo Von45:12

       But... All right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:12

       Oh, which one was in Jersey? Islam? That one was in Jersey.

   14. TVTheo Von45:14

       He didn't beat, he didn't beat eml- Islam in Jersey.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       Right.

   16. TVTheo Von45:17

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       Right, right, right. So, he fought Benoit Saint-Denis, then he gets a title shot against-

   18. TVTheo Von45:21

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       ... Islam. Islam's-

   20. TVTheo Von45:22

       Yeah, we went, I went with Joey. We went and saw... And I went to the, um, James J. Braddock statue before.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Mm.

   22. TVTheo Von45:27

       It was awesome, dude.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Islam's a monster. He's so good.

   24. TVTheo Von45:30

       Yeah, it was crazy. And Joey was like, "What do I..." Dude, he was on... (laughs) so...

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       (laughs)

   26. TVTheo Von45:37

       This is all love, dude. He's, he's a fucking tremendous... He's one of a kind. And his book is great too, if you haven't read his book. But, um, he's sitting there. He'd been eat- (laughs) he'd been eating mushrooms, you know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       (laughs)

   28. TVTheo Von45:50

       And once he even started eating a little, you could see Aaron Rodgers start to look over, you know. He was getting curious.

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       That's hilarious.

   30. TVTheo Von45:55

       You know, he's like, "What is happening?" You know?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:49

   Okay. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      uh, Guardians of the Galaxy.

   2. TVTheo Von1:00:01

      Okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      You know who I'm talking about. Big Jack dude.

   4. TVTheo Von1:00:03

      Dave Bautista?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      He's trying to get movies, man. He's wearing pearls to, like, red carpet events. I know what you're doing.

   6. TVTheo Von1:00:08

      Hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      You're trying to get those movies. You gotta, like, show-

   8. TVTheo Von1:00:11

      Oh, for what, though?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      You're an artist. You're sensitive. You're on the right side. Put him in the ... He wants to be a lead in a movie. He wants to be a movie star.

   10. TVTheo Von1:00:17

       Then fucking turn on your camera at a house and make something.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       Dude, I'm telling you, it's the right move. What he's doing is the right move. Even if he's faking it.

   12. TVTheo Von1:00:25

       You mean, for Hollywood, you mean?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wear the beads, wear the w- wear pearls. That softens you up a little bit. Lose some weight. Lost a bunch of weight. Um, talk shit about Trump.

   14. TVTheo Von1:00:34

       'Cause-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       He, he's allowed to be like a tough guy talking shit about Trump. Did you ever see that Jimmy Kimmel sketch they did? We called Trump a whiny bitch, and you ever seen it?

   16. TVTheo Von1:00:42

       Where Jimmy Kimmel called Donald Trump that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       No, no, no, no, no, no. Bautista.

   18. TVTheo Von1:00:45

       Dave Bautista did? Uh-uh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       You never saw it? S- find it, 'cause it's kinda funny.

   20. TVTheo Von1:00:49

       Is he the Intercontinental Champion? I don't even rem- I, I haven't watched wrestling in a bit.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       He was a big-time wrestler. Was a giant dude. Like, fucking built like a superhero. And then he went and did Guardians of the Galaxy. He was a giant dude in that.

   22. TVTheo Von1:01:00

       Oh yeah, with Chris Pratt?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       Yeah. He's a big, giant wrestler dude.

   24. TVTheo Von1:01:03

       Yes, now I know who you're talking about.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Yeah. But he wants to be a movie star, so he's losing some weight. He's a good actor, too, man. He was good in that, um ... What was that movie? The Glass ... Onion? The Glass Onion. Yeah. That was a great movie. That w- he was really good in that. Um ...

   26. TVTheo Von1:01:20

       I'm trying to think of what I've seen recently.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       He's just like a ... If you're a big, giant dude, and you're a big muscle-bound giant dude, and you wanna do, like, serious roles, like you kinda gotta lose some weight. You know, you gotta ... And you kinda gotta, like, support Kamala Harris. You kinda gotta, like, wear ...... pearls. You kinda gotta, like, soften your stance. You know, you gotta kinda, like, be performative that you're the guy that they would wanna pick, 'cause that's, like, part of the battle. Like, here, let me give you this.

   28. TVTheo Von1:01:45

       Oh, that's him?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Yeah.

   30. TVTheo Von1:01:46

       Thought that was Eddie Bravo, dude.

Episode duration: 3:21:36