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Jeff’s untrained Ridgeback: wild dogs, respect, and discipline
- NANarrator
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JDJeff Dye
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I used to have a dog that had terrible... I mean ju- I don't how to... I'm always traveling and also, like, I'm not real good with discipline of, like, someone else, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
Like, I don't how to train a dog. So I just let him do anything. So I think it was hilarious. He'd be, like, chewing on something and I'm like, "Check that out." They're like, "He shouldn't do that." I was like, "Eh, fuck it. Let him..." Like, I just liked the idea that he was wild.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
It made me happy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep. It's very bad, though, if, you know, your dog bites somebody.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, he's always just humping stuff and, like, eating the-
- JRJoe Rogan
What kind of dog?
- JDJeff Dye
He was a Ridgeback.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Rhodesian Ridgeback?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. Those are-
- JDJeff Dye
But in my mind, I'm like, "Well, why do I wanna reign tyranny on this dog and be like, 'he needs to sit, he needs...'"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
I kinda liked that he was, like, this little psycho that would hump things and-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's fun, but you gotta be able to control them.
- JDJeff Dye
No, no, I couldn't.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. How old were you back then?
- JDJeff Dye
I was young. Like, 31 or something at the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
It was, it was, like, but young...
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not that young.
- JDJeff Dye
Young to me, dude. I didn't become an adult for a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
For, like, six months ago. (laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Well, about four years, I think, is when...
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
No, but I've... That dog, I would open the door, he would just dart. And I was like, "Ah, this dog is unhinged." I let him wolf.
- JRJoe Rogan
You liked it.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, I liked it. It was crazy.
- 2:42 – 5:04
Golden retrievers, “dumb breeds,” and how humans domesticated wolves
- JRJoe Rogan
My dog that I have now is the first dog that I've ever had that was so easy to train. It was like I didn't even train him.
- JDJeff Dye
And it's a golden?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Aren't they kinda dumb? Is that-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JDJeff Dye
That's not-
- JRJoe Rogan
My dog is very smart.
- JDJeff Dye
What's the dumb breed?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. They're just sweet. They're sweet, so people think they're dumb.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he understands words. Like, I'll say, "Not that door, dude. Let's go in the side door." And he turns around and goes towards the side door.
- JDJeff Dye
Nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, he's... He gets it. Like, he's a fucking smart dog. But training him was like (snaps fingers) that.
- JDJeff Dye
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God. First of all, like, golden have no resistance. They don't wanna fight. They don't wanna... And they never growl at people, and they never... If they bark, it's they see something weird. They never bark at people.
- JDJeff Dye
(sniffs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, they're just the sweetest dogs.
- JDJeff Dye
I love that.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they just want you to be their friend. So I teach them to sit was, like, real easy. It was like, "Sit." And I push his butt down, and then I put... And then I give him a little treat.
- JDJeff Dye
A little treat.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then, and then I'd say, "Sit." And he'd just sit down.
- JDJeff Dye
Love it.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I'd give him a treat.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then next day, it was like, "Sit." He sat. Pat him on the head-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... give him a kiss. He... Now he just listens. It was like that.
- JDJeff Dye
Which is also the metaphor for, for humans. We like to have a little, uh, approval. Like, it's less than-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
It's less of the treat and the pat on the head.
- 5:04 – 6:16
Dating as ‘trying to domesticate’ someone: projects, freedom, and commitment anxiety
- JRJoe Rogan
They're trying to do that to us.
- JDJeff Dye
What... I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're trying to do that to us, Jeff Darne.
- JDJeff Dye
That's the problem. Just keep your dogs.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're trying to do that to us.
- JDJeff Dye
Don't change me.
- JRJoe Rogan
But they wanna do that to everybody.
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
If Kamala won, we would have been one step closer to poodles.
- JDJeff Dye
I think that's... Right, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Every day I was getting closer. That's why I'm single too.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
I'm just trying to hold onto any freedom I got.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's w-... You gotta find someone that you jive with, that gets ya, and that's what's hard. It's like people wanna change people. Girls look at guys-
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They look at some guys like a project. Like, "I know he doesn't wanna settle down, and I know he doesn't want this."
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"But if I could just get him to start changing the way he dresses."
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
"And then I'll get him to do thi- open the car door for me, like, my hands don't work."
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
I'm still... I'm the Ridgeback we were just talking about where I'm going, "Just let me be wild. Let me..."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Like, you know, like I, I, I'll spend like 24 hours with a woman and I just enjoy every second of it. I enjoy every s-... Like, all the affection, the door opening. I enjoy these kind of things, you know, taking care of someone, showing them how cool...
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you open up the car door? Do you do that?
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, I do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh wow.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, I like that.
- 6:16 – 10:53
Bert Kreischer’s extremes and why “hero advice” doesn’t scale
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe he's overdosing, maybe it's, like, binge drinking.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, if you have a glass of wine with dinner, you don't feel like, like, "Oh, get that fucking wine away from me."
- JDJeff Dye
That is true.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you drink like Bert Kreischer-
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... you drink fucking boxes of wine.
- JDJeff Dye
Bert would get on the treadmill- All right, don't get me started.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and drink a box of wine-
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... on the treadmill.
- JDJeff Dye
Bert suffers from the same disease Patrice had. He doesn't know how, like, he's so this one of a kind person that he, everything he says and all the advice he tries to give don't work for anyone else-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
... because he's one of a kind. So he'll say, "Here's what you gotta do," and you go, "That doesn't apply to me."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Do you know what I'm saying? We can't be on a treadmill drinking a box of wine and then go do a show for 200 grand. We're different people.
- JRJoe Rogan
He, he c- can keep going.
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've never seen anyone like him. He's a freak athlete, believe it or not. Like-
- JDJeff Dye
I believe that.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Tom Segura played him in a game of tennis, and Tom got a tennis coach, they had this, like this big tennis match.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They even did it on, like, one of those, uh, Your Mom's House live screens.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, like, they made a big deal out of it, big tennis match and To-... Bert destroyed him.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Drunk, hungover.
- JDJeff Dye
Makes total sense. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Giant belly, serves like a pro. He said he literally serves like a fucking division one college player.
- JDJeff Dye
I didn't know that about him.
- 10:53 – 13:26
Patrice O’Neal relationship advice story—and why it could get you killed
- JDJeff Dye
I love him though. But I was just saying, like, the advice thing, like, di- did you ever work with Patrice or know him good?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
One time I'm in New York, this is the late great Patrice O'Neal. I'm going through a thing with a girl at the time and, uh, you know, people ask you how you're doing and if you're sad, I'm a pretty honest guy, I just go, "Oh, you know, this, my, my girlfriend's driving me crazy. She's back at our, you know, at the apartment in, when I was in New York. Uh, she's back, I'm ju- it's just stressing me out. I need to get on stage, have a good time, have some drinks. I need to, like, just whatever." He goes, "Here's what you do, man. You're a good looking guy." And I was like, "Yeah? I don't think I'm gonna get advice from Patrice, you know, this will be great."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
He goes, "You're a good looking guy, man."
- JRJoe Rogan
Bring another girl home.
- JDJeff Dye
Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that what he said?
- JDJeff Dye
He like goes, "I've seen the way these girls look over at you around there. You find one of these bitches, you have a good time, don't worry about what's back at the apartment. Then, when the time comes, bring her back, bring her back to your, uh, apartment and say, 'Yo, this is me, this i- you know, you gotta deal with this shit.'"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
"And if you ain't..." And I was like, "Patrice, Patrice, you're my hero, I love you." Terrible advice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Terrible advice.
- JDJeff Dye
You're gonna get me murdered.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're gonna get murdered. Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Also, that's just not the type of women I hang out with.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
They're not gonna be fine with that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's a very specific type of woman-
- JDJeff Dye
I couldn't believe it.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who are already probably gonna murder you.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Yeah, exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Time's ticking on that, exactly. So I just-
- JRJoe Rogan
I had a friend of mine that said that he was gonna s- he, he, "I talked my girlfriend into doing a threesome." And if, I had the same exact feeling if someone's saying to me, "Hey, I started making my own bombs."
- JDJeff Dye
Right, you go, "Don't do the..." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, Jesus Christ-
- JDJeff Dye
This is a trap.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you're gonna die. (laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, exactly. But I think that that's what you should think when you hear your heroes or Bert tell you anything. Just, just, just know, their lives are different than yours and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there's so- some certain one of a kind people that you just gotta say like, "We- not everybody can do that."
- 13:26 – 15:12
Addiction, sobriety, and impulse control (including concussion/brain injury)
- JRJoe Rogan
Because some... Look, I have certain friends that, uh, have recovered from alcoholism, and this one buddy that I had that used to drink, he would drink and then his eyes would glaze over like a shark's.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, no. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the pupils would be gone and he wasn't there anymore. Like-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "Oh, Bob's gone. Now, this fucking-"
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"... drunk Bob. Drunk Bob, totally different human being."
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
He would black out all the time, not remember things. Like, you don't remember what you did. Like, he didn't remember anything.
- JDJeff Dye
I was that guy. I would be fun, fun, fun, till it wasn't fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I think it's a genetic thing.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, I- I'm guessing. Um, but I- I've never had that.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I've gotta assume that it's a genetic... I've gotten fucked up before.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've gotten really drunk. I've never like, "I need to get drunk." I've never been like-
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
... "I need to get drunk." But I, I have friends that it's-
- JDJeff Dye
I have one gear, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
So there's a thing... Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
One gear.
- JRJoe Rogan
One gear.
- JDJeff Dye
If we're gonna smoke weed, I smoke all the weed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
And d- you know what I'm saying? If we're, if we-
- JRJoe Rogan
You're doing coke, you're going to Tijuana.
- JDJeff Dye
Right. Yeah. I become king coke guy, you know? Like, why do one Viagra when I can do six Viagras? You know, like, I just don't have a... And s- and that's why also, like, it works to my benefit. You know, the first time I said, "I'm gonna do standup," I never stopped. Like, I was up there... I was obsessed, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever get hit in the head real hard?
- JDJeff Dye
Um, yeah, I played a lot of, like, sports growing up, so yeah, I got hit. I've had two really serious concussions where I went to the hospital.
- 15:12 – 17:21
Self-improvement and authenticity: ‘be the person you pretend to be’
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you gotta get to know someone. If you're diving in with someone for 24 hours, 48 hours-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and you just met 'em, like the chances of you guys jiving perfectly are not that good.
- JDJeff Dye
It's tough. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like not even 50/50. You get lucky you find the girl of your dreams, and then, hey, we've been together. We, we hung out together for two days in a row, and then, fuck, we were married six months later-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and we live happily ever after. That's real.
- JDJeff Dye
For sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
That can hap-... I've met people like that.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It can happen, but generally-
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... first of all, when you meet someone, you barely meeting them. You're meeting the thing that they put on when they want someone to like them.
- JDJeff Dye
It's performative a little, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
I always say to young guys, "Try to become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid."
- JDJeff Dye
Wait, say that again? Try to be...
- JRJoe Rogan
Become the person that you're pretending to be when you're trying to get laid.
- JDJeff Dye
I like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
You just be that person-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and you never have to pretend.
- JDJeff Dye
I love that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
I, I, I believe that outside of the idea of relationships. So like, I always say like, uh, and I probably heard this somewhere, read it somewhere, but like, the idea of like, you can be like your heroes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJeff Dye
You know, you, what, like, what do you like about the person you say you like?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
They're kind. Okay, so just be kind.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJeff Dye
That's what people like, you know?
- 17:21 – 21:34
Weed vs. alcohol, mushrooms, ego dissolution, and choosing positivity
- JDJeff Dye
What's your exact strand? 'Cause that's the one everyone needs.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think it's-
- JDJeff Dye
Whatever the strand is you're doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like sativas over indicas, but I don't like to get super duper high.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I just... I know. It's like drunk. It's like, I like two drinks.
- JDJeff Dye
Nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
Two drinks and I go on stage, I'm the life of the party.
- JDJeff Dye
That's good. Lose it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Come on, what's up? Four drinks and I'm like, "What did I just talk about five minutes ago? Make sure I don't repeat my jokes."
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... make sure I don't bring up something that I'm not sure where it goes yet, you know.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. Did I do that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I didn't, I didn't look at my notes before I went on stage-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like, "I can't." Four drinks is too much.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Or you go, "I'll scrap these first four parts of the bit-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
"... and just do this joke." And you're like, "Why'd you scrap those?" Like, "I don't know. I was drunk. I just jumped right to that part."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Pot makes me really consider all the things I'm not doing. It makes me call friends and check in on them.
- JDJeff Dye
Love that.
- JRJoe Rogan
It makes... Yeah, it makes me, like, way more, like, kind and compassionate and friendly. I wanna hug people.
- JDJeff Dye
Mushrooms does that for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Same thing. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one for that.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, that one was like a life-changing thing for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Because I was like... I, I don't know. I'm trying to explain something scientific that I don't know nothing about. But if I had to describe how it felt, it felt like it connected things for me, where I was like, "Oh, I need to be a little bit more... I need to work on this, or I need to check in with so-and-so, or I need to let go of that."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 21:34 – 25:28
Groups, belonging, and online cruelty: woke politics framed as religion
- JDJeff Dye
I was describing my buddy Chris the other day, like, like, what I think the problem is, uh, with kinda, like, modern times. I know that's kinda vague, but it's like, I see, I've always seen my life as, like, I got dealt a card of hands, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJeff Dye
Some of those cards are real good, and some of the cards, not good, but that's the hand I was dealt.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
And we've all been dealt some hand of cards.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJeff Dye
A lot of people, bad ones, some people, really good ones. We've just been dealt a hand. And, uh, I had thought to myself, "How can I play these cards?" I didn't start bitching about the rules of poker. Like, I did-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
... I didn't start going, "Hey, dealer."
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- JDJeff Dye
"Let's, maybe we should change the whole board." Like, no, I just, all I can do is play my hand.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, and I think th- and I, I think that, like, that's kind of how I'm viewing modern times, where people would rather complain about the rules of poker instead of just playing their hand the best way they could.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's outcasts for the first time (clears throat) get collectively as a group and then act like bullies.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they act like people have acted to them.
- JDJeff Dye
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the most... You know, it's that old expression, hurt people hurt people. Right? So the nastiest, meanest people online, I find, other than, like, white radical, white supremacist Nazis and shit. The re- what just you're talking about, social issues, the, the meanest people are the left-wing people, for whatever reason.
- JDJeff Dye
Especially now.
- JRJoe Rogan
And this is not to say there's not some cunts out there that are right-wing people. There's a ton of them.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I just, it's commonplace for people who consider themselves good-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... kind people to say things like, "Punch a Nazi."
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then they get to define what a Nazi is, and it has nothing (laughs) to do with a swastika-
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... nothing to do with hating Jews.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, you just be, you voted Republican. Oh, you're a fascist.
- 25:28 – 28:38
Extremism, entrapment, and institutions covering for bad actors
- JRJoe Rogan
I watched this documentary on Netflix. It was about, like, the KKK, and the woman who made the documentary-
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... was like a kind of a cute Muslim girl, and she, like, interviewed actual white nationalists and, and KKK members. And she brings them into this thing, and what I learned from that documentary, uh, what I got from it was that, like, oh, they don't even really believe this.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They just wanted a group.
- JDJeff Dye
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
They wanted a daddy. They wanted someone to, like-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they, they, they thought to themselves, "I can hate black people. I mean, if, uh, if they're over there, I don't ever have to confront one."
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"And I don't ever have to be un-" And then when they will meet a black guy, they'll go, "Well, not you. We're talking about the idea."
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They're not even talking about that actual person. And the girl in the documentary goes, "Well, you know that you let me in and you've been very nice to me, and I'm a Muslim woman," and the guy's like, "Well, not you."
- JDJeff Dye
You're a good one.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We're talking about..." Yeah.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's because they just wanted a group like you.
- JDJeff Dye
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They just wanted a group like, like black gang members or Hispanic MS19, whatever these groups are.
- JDJeff Dye
I wanna be in a motorcycle gang.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whatever your lesbian group is.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, I'm on the bowling league. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Whatever your baseball team is. They needed a group.
- JDJeff Dye
They need a group.
- JRJoe Rogan
And their group was like-
- JDJeff Dye
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
... "I can hate some people I've never seen before."
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, that's why it's so dangerous, like, groups, like, um, where, where they can get entrapped because, uh, the, uh, the Governor Whitmer case, do you know that case?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-mm.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) These guys conspired to ki- to kidnap the governor of, uh-
- 28:38 – 39:24
Trans issues, social contagion claims, and incentives around ‘gender-affirming care’
- JDJeff Dye
And we do it in all these ways. I think that that's happened with the LGBTQ+ whatever. I think a lot of gay people are waking up and going, "Why did we let the trans people in this group? They're making us look terrible."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, lesbians are having a real problem with it-
- JDJeff Dye
Ugh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because there's a lot of trans men who identify as lesbian.
- JDJeff Dye
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or trans women-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they say they're a lesbian, and they get on lesbian apps and these girls are like, "I'm looking for a vagina." (laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
100%. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I want a dick. I don't fuck guys."
- JDJeff Dye
And now they're waking up going, "Ah, maybe this, maybe the trans struggle was different than the gay struggle, but we've let them in the group, and now..."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, a lot of gay guys think that the movement is homophobic because you're telling a young gay guy-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "No, you're a woman."
- JDJeff Dye
Which is crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
"You're actually a woman." Well, it's one of those things that you gotta say some people, it must be true, because it's always been a thing. Like, to, to have real gender dysphoria, to be in your mind-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... feel like a woman has always been a thing, even if you're a guy. There's more effeminate women that feel like women. So it's like, that's real, but also when you encourage that and you reward people socially-
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for that, and then you have Pride Day at kindergarten and you're, you're talking about, like-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, I'm telling you, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
... sexual orientation in people that are nowhere near puberty, which is really crazy. And then you start, like, uh, having people that become trans, all of a sudden they're amazing-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where they were just really mediocre before, like Bruce Jenner. Like, he was the goof of the Kardashian show.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
First of all, it makes no sense. No one's accomplished shit. This motherfucker was on the cover of Wheaties.
- JDJeff Dye
A star.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was a star.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He was a fucking gold medalist-
- 39:24 – 45:45
Future tech: gene editing, beauty/strength homogenization, and comic-book masculinity
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause I firmly believe, it might not be in our lifetime, but if, maybe in our children or our grandchildren's lifetime, gene editing will get to a place where they will be able to turn you into whatever the fuck you want.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's probably gonna be a nightmare, because every guy's gonna look like Thor and every woman's gonna look like a prime Jennifer Lopez.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like there's not gonna be any variations. Everyone's gonna be super hot, right?
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? There's no, you're not gonna appreciate hot people.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, you'll go, "Big whoop." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, because like, you know, when you, when a hot woman walks in the room and there's no other hot women, everyone's like, "Whoa-"
- JDJeff Dye
That's the best.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "One's here."
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. "Look what I got."
- JRJoe Rogan
"Look what, whoa, look at her. Oh, my goodness. What does she look like naked?"
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? But if everybody looks like that, it's gonna be commonplace.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I think we're gonna get to a place where every man's gonna look like the Hulk.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just gonna be just giant dudes.
- JDJeff Dye
Nerds will, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%, they're gonna be the first to sign up for that.
- JDJeff Dye
You know what's interesting-
- JRJoe Rogan
All these fucking dudes that go to the coffee shop and sit there with their legs crossed like this-
- JDJeff Dye
No working out.
- JRJoe Rogan
... which I can't even do.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And their f- their fucking, their shoulders slump. They're gonna look like The Rock.
- JDJeff Dye
That's so funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just fucking... (screams) (laughs)
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- 45:45 – 54:10
Social media childhood, trend conformity, and nostalgia vs. adaptation
- JRJoe Rogan
I think the social media thing is the craziest part of it. I think kids are just... First of all, they're weirdly connected 'cause they all get on Snapchat, and then they have a Snap Map.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they know where all their friends are at any given time.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and then so that they're, they're constantly like paying attention to that and h-
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and finding each other, and they go in groups and they go to this party and, "Oh, the, they're at this party. Let's go to that party."
- JDJeff Dye
Ugh.
- JRJoe Rogan
See 'em on the maps.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah. They're adults. Th- you just described adults.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're k-
- JDJeff Dye
Those aren't even kids anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're little kids that are like traveling around with their friends with phones and they only talk through text messages.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah, that's adults.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but it's-
- JDJeff Dye
Which sucks.
- JRJoe Rogan
... fucking weird. It's a-
- JDJeff Dye
It sucks.
- JRJoe Rogan
... a weird new life. They still do... Like kids today, they still do physical things. They still do sports, you know, but when we were kids, the thing about not having any other influences, espe- especially like social media influences, you didn't really aspire to be exactly like other people, you know? It's like there was peop- there was groups of people that, you know, you gravitated towards being a jock.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gravitated towards being an artist. You gra... But you didn't try to like completely copy whatever trend is going on.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nowadays, kids are... They leave their fucking stupid label on their s- their Nikes.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what is that? What is that? Where it's supposed to be cool to k- k- keep your fucking label on your Ni- and you're all doing it?
- JDJeff Dye
But, yeah, the tag is like, "Look, it's a limited edition..." It's like, it's not.
- JRJoe Rogan
I made David Look's cut it off.
- JDJeff Dye
They made a bunch of those. Oh, that's hilarious.
- JRJoe Rogan
I pulled a knife out. I go, "Cut that off."
- JDJeff Dye
Oh my God.
- 54:10 – 1:00:31
COVID-era politics, media narratives, celebrity endorsements, and clapter culture
- JRJoe Rogan
I think we are not designed for it, but I think kids will be. I think the human mind is going to adapt to technology and in- interacting with each other. And I think socially people are adapting to interacting with each other. You know? Like the way kids like go after each other online, like they're adapted to it. They're n- it's normalized to them.
- JDJeff Dye
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just like, you know, if you live in a war-torn part of the world, seeing dead people's n- it normalizes to you.
- JDJeff Dye
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I think kids are normalizing to electronics. And people wanna resist that and they wanna say, "Oh, I don't want my kids to use electronics." I'm like (sucks teeth) , it's a part of the world. I use it, uh, it's a part of the world. It doesn't, it's not a barrier to being a good person. It's not a barrier to living a, a happy, healthy life.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just like alcohol's not a barrier, but for some people it is.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some people have a real fucking problem with social media, and you see it, a lot of comics, especially the unsuccessful ones, when they're, they start falling apart when they get older, it just exacerbates their mental illness.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then it becomes all politics.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is these guys used to talk about farts and getting their dick sucked.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Now it's all politics.
- JDJeff Dye
That's so true.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's all like life hangs on every decision.
- JDJeff Dye
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we're doomed if this takes place.
- JDJeff Dye
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Doomed.
- JDJeff Dye
You know what, uh, comedian dude does that is Kathy Griffin. You know her? She's... That guy does a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not a dude.
- JDJeff Dye
Oh, you know what I mean.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not a dude.
- JDJeff Dye
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You just misgendered-
- JDJeff Dye
That guy, uh, that guy's un- unhinged. You go on there, it's all day, just some s- doom and gloom.
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you th- do you think that that's because like that's how they find meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence? Like what is it about people th- where their entire life becomes completely wrapped around politics to the point where they're tweeting about it literally all day long?
- JDJeff Dye
I know.
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