Joe Rogan Experience #2229 - Jeff Dye

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Jeff Dye 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) I used to have a dog that had terrible... I mean ju- I don't how to... I'm always traveling and also, like, I'm not real good with discipline of, like, someone else, you know?

Joe Rogan 0:20 Right.

Jeff Dye 0:20 Like, I don't how to train a dog. So I just let him do anything. So I think it was hilarious. He'd be, like, chewing on something and I'm like, "Check that out." They're like, "He shouldn't do that." I was like, "Eh, fuck it. Let him..." Like, I just liked the idea that he was wild.

Joe Rogan 0:30 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 0:31 It made me happy.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yep. It's very bad, though, if, you know, your dog bites somebody.

Jeff Dye 0:36 Oh, he's always just humping stuff and, like, eating the-

Joe Rogan 0:38 What kind of dog?

Jeff Dye 0:38 He was a Ridgeback.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Oh, Rhodesian Ridgeback?

Jeff Dye 0:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Oh. Those are-

Jeff Dye 0:41 But in my mind, I'm like, "Well, why do I wanna reign tyranny on this dog and be like, 'he needs to sit, he needs...'"

Joe Rogan 0:47 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 0:47 I kinda liked that he was, like, this little psycho that would hump things and-

Joe Rogan 0:50 That's fun, but you gotta be able to control them.

Jeff Dye 0:53 No, no, I couldn't.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah. How old were you back then?

Jeff Dye 0:56 I was young. Like, 31 or something at the time.

Joe Rogan 0:58 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 0:59 It was, it was, like, but young...

Joe Rogan 1:01 It's not that young.

Jeff Dye 1:02 Young to me, dude. I didn't become an adult for a while.

Joe Rogan 1:04 For, like, six months ago. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:05 Yeah, yeah. (laughs) Well, about four years, I think, is when...

Joe Rogan 1:09 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:09 No, but I've... That dog, I would open the door, he would just dart. And I was like, "Ah, this dog is unhinged." I let him wolf.

Joe Rogan 1:13 You liked it.

Jeff Dye 1:14 Yeah, I liked it. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:16 That's crazy. Yeah, I've had some crazy dogs. But it's, like, you gotta train them.

Jeff Dye 1:20 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:21 You have to. They have to listen to you.

Jeff Dye 1:22 Well, when I-

Joe Rogan 1:22 'Cause I had a lot of pit bulls when I was younger.

Jeff Dye 1:24 Oh, nice.

Joe Rogan 1:24 You have to, they have to listen to you.

Jeff Dye 1:25 You look like a pit bull.

Joe Rogan 1:27 They have to have, like, they have to have a sense that you're the boss. You have to be kind and sweet-

Jeff Dye 1:32 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:32 ... and you love them, but you're the boss. Like, you have to train them. I trained my dog diligently. I was like, see, a treat, sit, stay-

Jeff Dye 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 ... lie down. Make him stay for five minutes and then give him a big treat and hug him and kiss him. You gotta, like, make sure they fucking listen.

Jeff Dye 1:46 Well, that was the problem is that I would literally... Like, he would be doing something and I'd be like, "He doesn't respect me."

Joe Rogan 1:51 Uh... (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:51 And I would think... Like, it was just... It was... That's as simple as it was. My dog di-... He saw me as, like, a cool guy. He didn't respect me.

Joe Rogan 1:57 (laughs) He was your friend.

Jeff Dye 1:58 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:59 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 1:59 So, like, I would leave him with this dog trainer in Sherman Oaks-

Joe Rogan 2:02 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 2:02 ... and the dog trainer would send me videos. And he'd be like, "Look." And I would wa-... I would think, "Look at me. My money is going to good..." He... Look at what my dog's doing.

Joe Rogan 2:09 He loves this.

Jeff Dye 2:09 He's doing a little turn and a... But it's 'cause he respected that guy.

Joe Rogan 2:12 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 2:13 And so then he would come back to my house, he'd just piss on the couch while he's laying there.

Joe Rogan 2:17 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 2:17 And I'm going, "Wait, what was all that stuff he learned?" And he goes... My dog's looking at me going, "Not for you."

Joe Rogan 2:21 "Yeah, you're my friend."

Jeff Dye 2:22 "Yeah, you're the cool guy, but that's me."

Joe Rogan 2:23 "You're my fucking roommate, bro. We were buds."

Jeff Dye 2:25 It sucks. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:25 We're both dogs. Come on.

Jeff Dye 2:26 Which is a metaphor for my life, too.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Eh.

Jeff Dye 2:28 Like, I wa-... I was the fun piss on the couch guy, but at some point, you gotta grow up and be disciplined. And-

Joe Rogan 2:34 You really do.

Jeff Dye 2:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:35 And you don't have as much-

Jeff Dye 2:36 It's better.

Joe Rogan 2:36 ... fun, but you... the fun that you have, you appreciate.

Jeff Dye 2:39 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Yeah, 'cause it's, like, it's not out of control.

Jeff Dye 2:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:42 My dog that I have now is the first dog that I've ever had that was so easy to train. It was like I didn't even train him.

Jeff Dye 2:48 And it's a golden?

Joe Rogan 2:48 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 2:48 Aren't they kinda dumb? Is that-

Joe Rogan 2:50 No.

Jeff Dye 2:50 That's not-

Joe Rogan 2:50 My dog is very smart.

Jeff Dye 2:51 What's the dumb breed?

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah. They're just sweet. They're sweet, so people think they're dumb.

Jeff Dye 2:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:56 But he understands words. Like, I'll say, "Not that door, dude. Let's go in the side door." And he turns around and goes towards the side door.

Jeff Dye 3:01 Nice.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Like, he's... He gets it. Like, he's a fucking smart dog. But training him was like (snaps fingers) that.

Jeff Dye 3:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:07 Oh my God. First of all, like, golden have no resistance. They don't wanna fight. They don't wanna... And they never growl at people, and they never... If they bark, it's they see something weird. They never bark at people.

Jeff Dye 3:18 (sniffs) .

Joe Rogan 3:18 Like, they're just the sweetest dogs.

Jeff Dye 3:20 I love that.

Joe Rogan 3:20 So they just want you to be their friend. So I teach them to sit was, like, real easy. It was like, "Sit." And I push his butt down, and then I put... And then I give him a little treat.

Jeff Dye 3:28 A little treat.

Joe Rogan 3:28 And then, and then I'd say, "Sit." And he'd just sit down.

Jeff Dye 3:31 Love it.

Joe Rogan 3:31 And I'd give him a treat.

Jeff Dye 3:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 And then next day, it was like, "Sit." He sat. Pat him on the head-

Jeff Dye 3:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:35 ... give him a kiss. He... Now he just listens. It was like that.

Jeff Dye 3:37 Which is also the metaphor for, for humans. We like to have a little, uh, approval. Like, it's less than-

Joe Rogan 3:43 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 3:43 It's less of the treat and the pat on the head.

Joe Rogan 3:45 They're the most like dog-

Jeff Dye 3:45 I made dad happy.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Yeah, they're the most like people.

Jeff Dye 3:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Those dogs. They're the most like people. They-

Jeff Dye 3:49 What's the dumb breeds? 'Cause I don't wanna keep doing this.

Joe Rogan 3:51 Oh, there's a lot of dumb breeds.

Jeff Dye 3:51 Sometimes I'll see, like, a Dalmatian and then I'll ask the... (laughs) That one.

Joe Rogan 3:55 This poor little Carl. Carl was... Carl was not the brightest.

Jeff Dye 3:58 He's so...

Joe Rogan 3:58 But his brain's the size of my thumb. It's not... That one over there. He doesn't have a big head.

Jeff Dye 4:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:04 It's that fucking hound.

Jeff Dye 4:04 They're cute, though, that's the thing.

Joe Rogan 4:05 I fucking love the shit out of that dog.

Jeff Dye 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 He's so jacked, too. Look how jacked he is.

Jeff Dye 4:08 I know.

Joe Rogan 4:08 His little muscles.

Jeff Dye 4:09 He's in constant shape.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Well, him and Marshall, like, go to war. Like, he just... Uh, when, when Marshall's here, like, Car-... Carl gets so tired from playing with my dog, 'cause my dog doesn't fight back-

Jeff Dye 4:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:19 ... so he just totally takes advantage of it.

Jeff Dye 4:21 I love it.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Just throws himself at him like a torpedo. But when it's over, he, like, can't breathe. He's like (pants) .

Jeff Dye 4:27 Oh yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Like (panting) .

Jeff Dye 4:27 'Cause he's... He was bred to not wrestle.

Joe Rogan 4:30 He's got no nose.

Jeff Dye 4:30 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:30 He's got no fucking nasal cavity. It's like... (laughs)

Jeff Dye 4:33 It is a weird dog.

Joe Rogan 4:34 That used to be a wolf.

Jeff Dye 4:35 They look like aliens.

Joe Rogan 4:36 But it's so fucking weird that humans turned a wolf into that fucking thing.

Jeff Dye 4:39 I think it's our best invention.

Joe Rogan 4:41 It's a cr- pretty cool job. Like, not saying it's an ethical thing or smart-

Jeff Dye 4:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:46 I mean, it's kind of like, you know if you knew-

Jeff Dye 4:48 It's our best invention.

Joe Rogan 4:48 ... what you were doing to a wolf, it's kinda fucked up, but pretty amazing.

Jeff Dye 4:52 But he doesn't need to survive. That thing's-

Joe Rogan 4:53 Right.

Jeff Dye 4:54 Yeah, he's got Jane, he's got us.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Right.

Jeff Dye 4:55 He's, he's in the safest place in America right now.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Like when you see those ladies that carry them around in them little purses? They've got a dog, carrying it around with their purse.

Jeff Dye 5:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:02 That's... Like, that used to be a wolf.

Jeff Dye 5:03 (laughs) Right, that's wild.

Joe Rogan 5:04 They're trying to do that to us.

Jeff Dye 5:06 What... I know.

Joe Rogan 5:06 They're trying to do that to us, Jeff Darne.

Jeff Dye 5:06 That's the problem. Just keep your dogs.

Joe Rogan 5:08 They're trying to do that to us.

Jeff Dye 5:09 Don't change me.

Joe Rogan 5:09 But they wanna do that to everybody.

Jeff Dye 5:11 I know.

Joe Rogan 5:11 If Kamala won, we would have been one step closer to poodles.

Jeff Dye 5:13 I think that's... Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 5:15 Every day I was getting closer. That's why I'm single too.

Joe Rogan 5:18 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 5:18 I'm just trying to hold onto any freedom I got.

Joe Rogan 5:20 It's w-... You gotta find someone that you jive with, that gets ya, and that's what's hard. It's like people wanna change people. Girls look at guys-

Jeff Dye 5:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 They look at some guys like a project. Like, "I know he doesn't wanna settle down, and I know he doesn't want this."

Jeff Dye 5:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:33 "But if I could just get him to start changing the way he dresses."

Jeff Dye 5:36 I know.

Joe Rogan 5:37 "And then I'll get him to do thi- open the car door for me, like, my hands don't work."

Jeff Dye 5:41 I know.

Joe Rogan 5:41 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 5:42 I'm still... I'm the Ridgeback we were just talking about where I'm going, "Just let me be wild. Let me..."

Joe Rogan 5:47 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 5:48 Like, you know, like I, I, I'll spend like 24 hours with a woman and I just enjoy every second of it. I enjoy every s-... Like, all the affection, the door opening. I enjoy these kind of things, you know, taking care of someone, showing them how cool...

Joe Rogan 6:01 Do you open up the car door? Do you do that?

Jeff Dye 6:03 Yeah, I do that.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Oh wow.

Jeff Dye 6:03 Yeah, I like that.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Oh, right.

Jeff Dye 6:04 But, uh, I'll show them-

Joe Rogan 6:05 That's cute.

Jeff Dye 6:05 ... my life, you know? Hey, these are my comedy buddies.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 6:07 And watch me go kill on stage.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Right.

Jeff Dye 6:09 And, oh, I got this. I'll pay for everything. And about, like, out of 24 hours of my brain, I'm like, "All right, I gotta get out of this."... like how, like how do I reset-

Joe Rogan 6:16 Maybe he's overdosing, maybe it's, like, binge drinking.

Jeff Dye 6:18 Yeah, maybe.

Joe Rogan 6:18 You know, if you have a glass of wine with dinner, you don't feel like, like, "Oh, get that fucking wine away from me."

Jeff Dye 6:23 That is true.

Joe Rogan 6:24 But if you drink like Bert Kreischer-

Jeff Dye 6:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:25 ... you drink fucking boxes of wine.

Jeff Dye 6:27 Bert would get on the treadmill- All right, don't get me started.

Joe Rogan 6:30 ... and drink a box of wine-

Jeff Dye 6:31 I know.

Joe Rogan 6:31 ... on the treadmill.

Jeff Dye 6:33 Bert suffers from the same disease Patrice had. He doesn't know how, like, he's so this one of a kind person that he, everything he says and all the advice he tries to give don't work for anyone else-

Joe Rogan 6:46 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 6:46 ... because he's one of a kind. So he'll say, "Here's what you gotta do," and you go, "That doesn't apply to me."

Joe Rogan 6:52 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 6:52 Do you know what I'm saying? We can't be on a treadmill drinking a box of wine and then go do a show for 200 grand. We're different people.

Joe Rogan 6:59 He, he c- can keep going.

Jeff Dye 7:01 I know.

Joe Rogan 7:01 I've never seen anyone like him. He's a freak athlete, believe it or not. Like-

Jeff Dye 7:05 I believe that.

Joe Rogan 7:06 ... Tom Segura played him in a game of tennis, and Tom got a tennis coach, they had this, like this big tennis match.

Jeff Dye 7:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:13 They even did it on, like, one of those, uh, Your Mom's House live screens.

Jeff Dye 7:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 You know, like, they made a big deal out of it, big tennis match and To-... Bert destroyed him.

Jeff Dye 7:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Drunk, hungover.

Jeff Dye 7:22 Makes total sense. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:24 Giant belly, serves like a pro. He said he literally serves like a fucking division one college player.

Jeff Dye 7:31 I didn't know that about him.

Joe Rogan 7:32 Cra-... He's like-

Jeff Dye 7:33 Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

Joe Rogan 7:33 He goes, "What the fuck?"

Jeff Dye 7:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:35 He goes, "His serve is insane."

Jeff Dye 7:37 That makes total sense. I mean-

Joe Rogan 7:38 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 7:39 ... I'm not so- yeah, I'm, like, somewhat surprised by it, but-

Joe Rogan 7:41 It's like the John Daly type.

Jeff Dye 7:41 Yeah, just got it.

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Jeff Dye 9:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:45 ... that allows him to not have anxiety about trying new things.

Jeff Dye 9:48 Great for this business.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 9:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Just dives in, takes his shirt off. Woo!

Jeff Dye 9:51 Look at me.

Joe Rogan 9:53 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 9:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:54 He's like-

Jeff Dye 9:54 Well, I was just thinking, like-

Joe Rogan 9:55 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 9:55 ... 'cause early, he went on something where he was going, "If, if you, if someone tells you to quit drinking, uh, don't stop drinking. T- tell them to shut up. Drinking's the best thing." I go, "Oh, Jesus Christ, do you know how many alcoholics are hearing this right now, Bert?"

Joe Rogan 10:08 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 10:08 Like some people should quit, some people shouldn't.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 10:11 I get what he was trying to do.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 10:12 I get the point that he was trying to do, but in my mi-

Joe Rogan 10:14 Is this the tennis match? Look at this.

Jeff Dye 10:15 Boom. Oh, that was beautiful.

Joe Rogan 10:17 W- what is he doing there? He hit it over the fence. What'd he do?

Jeff Dye 10:20 Yeah, but the form of that was beautiful.

Joe Rogan 10:22 What did he do here?

Narrator 10:22 I think he aced them.

Joe Rogan 10:23 Oh, he did ace them.

Narrator 10:25 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 10:25 Oh, Tom's flustered.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Yeah. He's really good.

Jeff Dye 10:28 Tom's just happy he didn't snap his leg here.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Boom. Yeah, look how, look at that fucking serve.

Narrator 10:33 Smoked it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Bro, it's got a curve to it too.

Jeff Dye 10:35 Oh, that's great. Also, Bert looks fit here.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Well-

Jeff Dye 10:40 It's the outfit?

Joe Rogan 10:40 That's for him. For him, he's fit.

Jeff Dye 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 You know, he loses weight, he gets way down, then he binges up again.

Jeff Dye 10:45 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:45 He gets crazy again. He lost like 60 pounds and got real fit, didn't drink for like three months.

Jeff Dye 10:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:51 And then he just goes crazy again.

Jeff Dye 10:52 Yeah. Has a good time.

Joe Rogan 10:53 At least-

Jeff Dye 10:53 I love him though. But I was just saying, like, the advice thing, like, di- did you ever work with Patrice or know him good?

Joe Rogan 10:58 Yes. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 10:58 One time I'm in New York, this is the late great Patrice O'Neal. I'm going through a thing with a girl at the time and, uh, you know, people ask you how you're doing and if you're sad, I'm a pretty honest guy, I just go, "Oh, you know, this, my, my girlfriend's driving me crazy. She's back at our, you know, at the apartment in, when I was in New York. Uh, she's back, I'm ju- it's just stressing me out. I need to get on stage, have a good time, have some drinks. I need to, like, just whatever." He goes, "Here's what you do, man. You're a good looking guy." And I was like, "Yeah? I don't think I'm gonna get advice from Patrice, you know, this will be great."

Joe Rogan 11:26 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 11:26 He goes, "You're a good looking guy, man."

Joe Rogan 11:27 Bring another girl home.

Jeff Dye 11:28 Right?

Joe Rogan 11:28 Is that what he said?

Jeff Dye 11:29 He like goes, "I've seen the way these girls look over at you around there. You find one of these bitches, you have a good time, don't worry about what's back at the apartment. Then, when the time comes, bring her back, bring her back to your, uh, apartment and say, 'Yo, this is me, this i- you know, you gotta deal with this shit.'"

Joe Rogan 11:45 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 11:45 "And if you ain't..." And I was like, "Patrice, Patrice, you're my hero, I love you." Terrible advice.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Terrible advice.

Jeff Dye 11:54 You're gonna get me murdered.

Joe Rogan 11:55 You're gonna get murdered. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 11:56 Also, that's just not the type of women I hang out with.

Joe Rogan 11:59 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 11:59 They're not gonna be fine with that.

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah, that's a very specific type of woman-

Jeff Dye 12:03 I couldn't believe it.

Joe Rogan 12:03 ... who are already probably gonna murder you.

Jeff Dye 12:05 (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 12:06 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 12:06 Time's ticking on that, exactly. So I just-

Joe Rogan 12:09 I had a friend of mine that said that he was gonna s- he, he, "I talked my girlfriend into doing a threesome." And if, I had the same exact feeling if someone's saying to me, "Hey, I started making my own bombs."

Jeff Dye 12:17 Right, you go, "Don't do the..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:18 Like, Jesus Christ-

Jeff Dye 12:19 This is a trap.

Joe Rogan 12:19 ... you're gonna die. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 12:20 Yeah, exactly. But I think that that's what you should think when you hear your heroes or Bert tell you anything. Just, just, just know, their lives are different than yours and-

Joe Rogan 12:28 Yeah, there's so- some certain one of a kind people that you just gotta say like, "We- not everybody can do that."

Jeff Dye 12:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:34 Like, Bert went and got a liver screen and cancer... Oh, he's fi- he's fine.

Jeff Dye 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 He's fine.

Jeff Dye 12:38 He can do it.

Joe Rogan 12:39 He's fine. He doesn't worry.

Jeff Dye 12:40 He is a machine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:41 He get, he goes and gets his health checked and his health is fi-... He's 50 years old.

Jeff Dye 12:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:45 He's still going hard. How old is Bert now? He's gotta be deep into his 40s.

Jeff Dye 12:50 But Bert will be like, "Don't quit drinking."

Joe Rogan 12:52 That's-

Jeff Dye 12:52 "Have a good time," and then some guy's like, "I'm hitting my wife again. Dude, this booze is-"

Joe Rogan 12:56 Well, he was probably drunk when he said that. You know-

Jeff Dye 12:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... like, he probably got that... He probably took some time off and then-

Jeff Dye 13:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:00 ... had a drink, started feeling good. "I wanna tweet some advice." (laughs)

Jeff Dye 13:04 Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was one of those things, 'cause I love him. And, and some people... And a lot of the comments were like, "Oh, another comedian not understanding another comedian." I was just... I was like, "No, it's not that. I love Bert. If you knew our relationship, you'd get it. Like, I... We're, we're good." (laughs) I just want people to know if you do have a problem, it's okay to quit, you know?

Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 13:20 You don't have to-

Joe Rogan 13:20 Well, especially you as a person who quit. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 13:22 Yeah. I was just saying, "Hey, you know, this is a sensitive subject for some people."

Joe Rogan 13:25 It is.

Jeff Dye 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Because some... Look, I have certain friends that, uh, have recovered from alcoholism, and this one buddy that I had that used to drink, he would drink and then his eyes would glaze over like a shark's.

Jeff Dye 13:37 Oh, no. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 Like, the pupils would be gone and he wasn't there anymore. Like-

Jeff Dye 13:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:40 ... "Oh, Bob's gone. Now, this fucking-"

Jeff Dye 13:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:42 "... drunk Bob. Drunk Bob, totally different human being."

Jeff Dye 13:44 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 13:45 He would black out all the time, not remember things. Like, you don't remember what you did. Like, he didn't remember anything.

Jeff Dye 13:50 I was that guy. I would be fun, fun, fun, till it wasn't fun.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Dude, I think it's a genetic thing.

Jeff Dye 13:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:55 I mean, I- I'm guessing. Um, but I- I've never had that.

Jeff Dye 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 So I've gotta assume that it's a genetic... I've gotten fucked up before.

Jeff Dye 14:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:04 I've gotten really drunk. I've never like, "I need to get drunk." I've never been like-

Jeff Dye 14:08 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 14:08 ... "I need to get drunk." But I, I have friends that it's-

Jeff Dye 14:11 I have one gear, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:11 So there's a thing... Yeah.

Jeff Dye 14:13 One gear.

Joe Rogan 14:14 One gear.

Jeff Dye 14:15 If we're gonna smoke weed, I smoke all the weed.

Joe Rogan 14:16 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 14:17 And d- you know what I'm saying? If we're, if we-

Joe Rogan 14:19 You're doing coke, you're going to Tijuana.

Jeff Dye 14:20 Right. Yeah. I become king coke guy, you know? Like, why do one Viagra when I can do six Viagras? You know, like, I just don't have a... And s- and that's why also, like, it works to my benefit. You know, the first time I said, "I'm gonna do standup," I never stopped. Like, I was up there... I was obsessed, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:36 Did you ever get hit in the head real hard?

Jeff Dye 14:38 Um, yeah, I played a lot of, like, sports growing up, so yeah, I got hit. I've had two really serious concussions where I went to the hospital.

Joe Rogan 14:45 Yeah, that's a-

Jeff Dye 14:46 You think that's it?

Joe Rogan 14:47 Yes.

Jeff Dye 14:47 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Yes.

Jeff Dye 14:48 I had two big ones, where I lost a week.

Joe Rogan 14:49 I don't... I mean, I'm not a psychologist-

Jeff Dye 14:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:51 ... or a psychiatrist, but I do know that that is one of the side effects of brain injury, is that-

Jeff Dye 14:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:58 ... you, you lose impulse control.

Jeff Dye 14:59 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 15:00 Yeah, I've got no governor. Which works good, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 15:02 It works good for some things.

Joe Rogan 15:03 For comedy.

Jeff Dye 15:03 Like, you know, like I said, when I'm hanging out with a girl, like, I'm best boyfriend ever.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Right, right.

Jeff Dye 15:07 I'm king, you know. But, and then it's gotta be extremely not. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:10 Right.

Jeff Dye 15:11 You know, there's kinda these extremes.

Joe Rogan 15:12 Yeah, you gotta get to know someone. If you're diving in with someone for 24 hours, 48 hours-

Jeff Dye 15:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 ... and you just met 'em, like the chances of you guys jiving perfectly are not that good.

Jeff Dye 15:22 It's tough. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:22 It's like not even 50/50. You get lucky you find the girl of your dreams, and then, hey, we've been together. We, we hung out together for two days in a row, and then, fuck, we were married six months later-

Jeff Dye 15:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:32 ... and we live happily ever after. That's real.

Jeff Dye 15:35 For sure.

Joe Rogan 15:35 That can hap-... I've met people like that.

Jeff Dye 15:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 It can happen, but generally-

Jeff Dye 15:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:39 ... first of all, when you meet someone, you barely meeting them. You're meeting the thing that they put on when they want someone to like them.

Jeff Dye 15:46 It's performative a little, for sure.

Joe Rogan 15:48 I always say to young guys, "Try to become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid."

Jeff Dye 15:54 Wait, say that again? Try to be...

Joe Rogan 15:56 Become the person that you're pretending to be when you're trying to get laid.

Jeff Dye 16:00 I like that.

Joe Rogan 16:01 You just be that person-

Jeff Dye 16:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 ... and you never have to pretend.

Jeff Dye 16:04 I love that.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 16:05 I, I, I believe that outside of the idea of relationships. So like, I always say like, uh, and I probably heard this somewhere, read it somewhere, but like, the idea of like, you can be like your heroes.

Joe Rogan 16:15 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:15 You know, you, what, like, what do you like about the person you say you like?

Joe Rogan 16:18 Right.

Jeff Dye 16:18 They're kind. Okay, so just be kind.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:20 That's what people like, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:21 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:21 Or, "Oh, I like that guy 'cause he's down to earth."

Joe Rogan 16:24 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:24 "So then you should try to be down to earth."

Joe Rogan 16:26 Yes. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 16:26 You know, it's very s-... You just, you, uh, you should-

Joe Rogan 16:28 Right.

Jeff Dye 16:28 ... be like the people, you know? And then you can also have anti-heroes. Me and my parents have a very tumultuous relationship, and so that's a positive for me, 'cause I'm going, "I don't wanna be like that."

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:36 Or that quality that I don't wanna be like.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Yes.

Jeff Dye 16:38 And so-

Joe Rogan 16:38 For me, it was always lazy people.

Jeff Dye 16:40 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:41 I, I had a, like a severe disdain for lazy people, like, and I'm, I'm aggressive disdain. I'd be angry at people if they were lazy, when I was a young man. It's because I was so scared of being lazy. I was so-

Jeff Dye 16:52 I love that.

Joe Rogan 16:52 I was so scared of being a loser that I, if I saw any laziness in people, I'd get angry.

Jeff Dye 16:57 Which is weird 'cause you love pot.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah, but that... It's a different-

Jeff Dye 17:00 A lot of pot guys are just... They're happy with their laziness.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Yeah. It's not me, man.

Jeff Dye 17:04 I know. You're the opposite. You're like the most productive pothead I've ever known.

Joe Rogan 17:07 (laughs) It's not a... To me, it doesn't slow me down. It makes me think more.

Jeff Dye 17:11 It's true.

Joe Rogan 17:11 And when I think more, I think about all the shit I need to get done, and I think about, like, how I'll feel if I don't accomplish-

Jeff Dye 17:18 Gonna do it.

Joe Rogan 17:18 ... what I wanna accomplish. Like, if I don't put in the work-

Jeff Dye 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:20 ... I s- I start freaking out.

Jeff Dye 17:21 What's your exact strand? 'Cause that's the one everyone needs.

Joe Rogan 17:24 I don't think it's-

Jeff Dye 17:24 Whatever the strand is you're doing.

Joe Rogan 17:25 I like sativas over indicas, but I don't like to get super duper high.

Jeff Dye 17:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 I just... I know. It's like drunk. It's like, I like two drinks.

Jeff Dye 17:34 Nice.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Two drinks and I go on stage, I'm the life of the party.

Jeff Dye 17:38 That's good. Lose it.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Come on, what's up? Four drinks and I'm like, "What did I just talk about five minutes ago? Make sure I don't repeat my jokes."

Jeff Dye 17:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:45 You know-

Jeff Dye 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 ... make sure I don't bring up something that I'm not sure where it goes yet, you know.

Jeff Dye 17:49 Yeah. Did I do that?

Joe Rogan 17:50 Like, I didn't, I didn't look at my notes before I went on stage-

Jeff Dye 17:51 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:51 ... like, "I can't." Four drinks is too much.

Jeff Dye 17:54 (laughs) Or you go, "I'll scrap these first four parts of the bit-"

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 17:56 "... and just do this joke." And you're like, "Why'd you scrap those?" Like, "I don't know. I was drunk. I just jumped right to that part."

Joe Rogan 18:00 Right. Pot makes me really consider all the things I'm not doing. It makes me call friends and check in on them.

Jeff Dye 18:06 Love that.

Joe Rogan 18:07 It makes... Yeah, it makes me, like, way more, like, kind and compassionate and friendly. I wanna hug people.

Jeff Dye 18:14 Mushrooms does that for me.

Joe Rogan 18:15 Same thing. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one for that.

Jeff Dye 18:16 Yeah, that one was like a life-changing thing for me.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 18:19 Because I was like... I, I don't know. I'm trying to explain something scientific that I don't know nothing about. But if I had to describe how it felt, it felt like it connected things for me, where I was like, "Oh, I need to be a little bit more... I need to work on this, or I need to check in with so-and-so, or I need to let go of that."

Joe Rogan 18:36 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 18:37 And that was all because of, um... I kinda came back a different guy after mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 18:41 Well, I think one of the primary things that it does is it dissolves your ego. And the ego, I think, is a giant cage that we all live in.And you can kinda see the world from outside the cage, but the ego's there protecting you from reality sometimes. The ego's there protecting you from your understanding of your own mistakes, which we all have.

Jeff Dye 19:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:01 And some, some people bullshit themselves and, but they keep it in the back of their head. The, the ego is what's doing all that for you, and it's doing that as, like, this little shield, this little b- cage that you've put in that allows you to move through the world.

Jeff Dye 19:13 Mm.

Joe Rogan 19:14 And mushrooms just, whew-

Jeff Dye 19:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... takes that down, and then you just get to see the world for what it really is and see you for what you really are and then see, like, some of the behaviors you, that you always regret about yourself, where you go, "Why am I doing that?" Like-

Jeff Dye 19:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:26 ... "What is that?" And then you can kinda see the, the roots of it all, or, and then you see the cause and effect of interactions with people. I remember one time I had a psychedelic experience, and, uh, I was closing my eyes, and I saw positive thoughts as a different pattern.

Jeff Dye 19:42 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Like, I had a negative thought, and the pattern turned, like, dark. And then I had a positive thought. Like, "Oh, no, no, no. Don't think negative." Then it went, ha.

Jeff Dye 19:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Like, like flowered open.

Jeff Dye 19:51 Love that.

Joe Rogan 19:51 These beautiful patterns. And then it was like the thing, like the mushroom was telling me, "That's the way to go."

Jeff Dye 19:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:57 That's the way to go.

Jeff Dye 19:57 That perception-

Joe Rogan 19:58 Like, yeah, you can lean into negativity-

Jeff Dye 20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 ... if you want to. You wanna be a cunt?

Jeff Dye 20:01 I love that.

Joe Rogan 20:02 There's plenty of cunts out there.

Jeff Dye 20:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:03 But there's people out there that are doing that. They're filled with anxiety. It's wrecking their life.

Jeff Dye 20:07 Dude.

Joe Rogan 20:07 It's just nice.

Jeff Dye 20:08 People love-

Joe Rogan 20:09 Just be nice.

Jeff Dye 20:10 ... being wronged.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Yeah, they do.

Jeff Dye 20:11 It's such a treat for them to hold onto their wrong, how vict-

Joe Rogan 20:15 Victim mentality, yeah.

Jeff Dye 20:16 ... the things they've been wronged and the ... And so, like, that's, uh, such a great way to describe that, 'cause really the, my failures and my flaws and the things I wanna work on and all that stuff are the connection.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 20:27 Like, that's when, like, when I was able to go, "Man, I think I really have a problem here, and I need, I need some help," people were excited to help me.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Right.

Jeff Dye 20:33 Because it gave them a chance to-

Joe Rogan 20:35 Connect.

Jeff Dye 20:35 ... help and serve-

Joe Rogan 20:36 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 20:36 ... and connect.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 20:36 And so as opposed to me thinking I needed to pretend I didn't have a problem or they wouldn't be my friends, it made them s- so much better friends knowing, like, "Oh, we can help him." We wanna-

Joe Rogan 20:45 Right.

Jeff Dye 20:45 So, and that's just... I keep using sobriety as an example, but just in general, the connection is that. You know?

Joe Rogan 20:52 Yeah. Connection's everything. Like, real connection with people is everything, and you gotta have good people around you. Like, this whole idea of being nice and being cool, some people can't be nice. They're surrounded by assholes.

Jeff Dye 21:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:04 They're surrounded by people that are fucking with them and taking from them and ruining-

Jeff Dye 21:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 21:07 ... their life and interjecting in their life, and they're just like, "Ugh." They have to stand up for themselves.

Jeff Dye 21:12 For sure.

Joe Rogan 21:12 But you've gotta as- at least aspire to get into a better situation in life and surround yourself somehow. There's a way.

Jeff Dye 21:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:20 I've done it. You've done it. Surround yourself with nice people.

Jeff Dye 21:22 100%.

Joe Rogan 21:23 It c- it can be done.

Jeff Dye 21:24 Yeah, 100%.

Joe Rogan 21:25 It can be done.

Jeff Dye 21:25 Find a group.

Joe Rogan 21:26 Yes.

Jeff Dye 21:26 Find a friend. Find a church. Find a-

Joe Rogan 21:28 And also-

Jeff Dye 21:28 ... whatever.

Joe Rogan 21:29 ... be that person-

Jeff Dye 21:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:30 ... so that you attract those people. Again, like, try, l- figure it out. Figure it out.

Jeff Dye 21:34 I was describing my buddy Chris the other day, like, like, what I think the problem is, uh, with kinda, like, modern times. I know that's kinda vague, but it's like, I see, I've always seen my life as, like, I got dealt a card of hands, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:47 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 21:47 Some of those cards are real good, and some of the cards, not good, but that's the hand I was dealt.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Right.

Jeff Dye 21:51 And we've all been dealt some hand of cards.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 21:53 A lot of people, bad ones, some people, really good ones. We've just been dealt a hand. And, uh, I had thought to myself, "How can I play these cards?" I didn't start bitching about the rules of poker. Like, I did-

Joe Rogan 22:04 Right.

Jeff Dye 22:04 ... I didn't start going, "Hey, dealer."

Joe Rogan 22:06 (clears throat)

Jeff Dye 22:07 "Let's, maybe we should change the whole board." Like, no, I just, all I can do is play my hand.

Joe Rogan 22:13 Right.

Jeff Dye 22:13 Yeah, and I think th- and I, I think that, like, that's kind of how I'm viewing modern times, where people would rather complain about the rules of poker instead of just playing their hand the best way they could.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Well, it's outcasts for the first time (clears throat) get collectively as a group and then act like bullies.

Jeff Dye 22:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:31 So they act like people have acted to them.

Jeff Dye 22:32 Sure.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Like, the most... You know, it's that old expression, hurt people hurt people. Right? So the nastiest, meanest people online, I find, other than, like, white radical, white supremacist Nazis and shit. The re- what just you're talking about, social issues, the, the meanest people are the left-wing people, for whatever reason.

Jeff Dye 22:49 Especially now.

Joe Rogan 22:50 And this is not to say there's not some cunts out there that are right-wing people. There's a ton of them.

Jeff Dye 22:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:54 But I just, it's commonplace for people who consider themselves good-

Jeff Dye 22:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:58 ... kind people to say things like, "Punch a Nazi."

Jeff Dye 23:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:02 And then they get to define what a Nazi is, and it has nothing (laughs) to do with a swastika-

Jeff Dye 23:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:06 ... nothing to do with hating Jews.

Jeff Dye 23:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 You know, you just be, you voted Republican. Oh, you're a fascist.

Jeff Dye 23:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Okay. W- you tell me, first of all, what does that mean?

Jeff Dye 23:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:14 You tell me what that means. Tell me what that word, define that word. You throw that word around so often.

Jeff Dye 23:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:19 And there's a wor- that, there's a lot of, there's a lot of definitions of that word, right wing f- you know, authoritarian government, all that stuff, but also, like, forcing people to behave and think in a certain way.

Jeff Dye 23:33 That's what they hate about religion.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Yeah, and it's also-

Jeff Dye 23:35 They claim they hate religion 'cause religious people tell them what to think and do.

Joe Rogan 23:38 It's a religion, yeah.

Jeff Dye 23:38 And then they do a religious act-

Joe Rogan 23:41 (clears throat)

Jeff Dye 23:41 ... of being, like, a liberal and going, "If you don't think like me, you must be bad."

Joe Rogan 23:44 100%.

Jeff Dye 23:45 Racism's their devil.

Joe Rogan 23:46 S-

Jeff Dye 23:46 And it's okay to hate the devil, and so they try to hate it.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Do you know who Marc Andreessen is?

Jeff Dye 23:50 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 23:51 He's a brilliant, uh, venture capitalist, like super s- genius guy, and been on my podcast a couple times. He broke the whole woke r- thing down as a religion, and like explained-

Jeff Dye 24:02 It is.

Joe Rogan 24:02 ... how you can get excommunicated-

Jeff Dye 24:04 Yep.

Joe Rogan 24:04 ... and cast out, and that's, and people are fearful of that, so they stay inside the lines.

Jeff Dye 24:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:08 There's a doctrine they all follow.

Jeff Dye 24:09 They're using race because guess what? Who'd wanna be-

Joe Rogan 24:12 It's not just race.

Jeff Dye 24:12 ... friends with a racist? But-

Joe Rogan 24:13 It's also gender. It's also, like, stupid shit, like you could be nonbinary. If you're a white man-

Jeff Dye 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 ... you got nowhere to go. "Hey, I can't be even, I can't even be, be, like-

Jeff Dye 24:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:21 ... fucked with. Like, nothing, no one's m- d- discriminating against me." You can become nonbinary.

Jeff Dye 24:26 Sure.

Joe Rogan 24:26 And you're like, "Oh, great." You can still fuck girls.

Jeff Dye 24:27 100%.

Joe Rogan 24:28 You just have to say you're a they/them.

Jeff Dye 24:30 Well, for, like, in my ex- like, for what I've, like, in my observation, like, the left used to be really, like, the cool, the progressive side, the nice side-

Joe Rogan 24:37 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 24:37 ... the good side, whereas to now, like, I'm like, "Listen to yourselves. You don't like rich people, right? You're mad at anyone wealthy. You're mad at the super wealthy. You hate, uh, gym bros. You hate frat guys. You hate, uh, straight white guys. You hate boomers."

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 24:51 "You're mad at your grandparents. You're mad... You, you seem to not like a lot of people-"

Joe Rogan 24:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Jeff Dye 24:56 "... for being the most"- Just-

Joe Rogan 24:57 ... "accepting side." ... generalizing, just completely generalizing.

Jeff Dye 25:01 Right. Also, where's our empathy?

Joe Rogan 25:02 (clears throat) Right.

Jeff Dye 25:02 I think what, if I ever met, like, a crazy right-wing, which I never have met any of these Nazis they're talking about, but if I did meet one, I believe that I could have some empathy for them and some sympathy and go, "They're just dumb."... yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 They're not evil. They're just dumb.

Jeff Dye 25:18 They're just dumb and misinformed.

Joe Rogan 25:18 They're just dumb. They can be tr- they can be, like, convinced otherwise.

Jeff Dye 25:21 They're also, they're also programmed. Right? It's generally they're programmed by the people around them.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 25:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:27 But where's our empathy?

Jeff Dye 25:28 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:28 I watched this documentary on Netflix. It was about, like, the KKK, and the woman who made the documentary-

Jeff Dye 25:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:33 ... was like a kind of a cute Muslim girl, and she, like, interviewed actual white nationalists and, and KKK members. And she brings them into this thing, and what I learned from that documentary, uh, what I got from it was that, like, oh, they don't even really believe this.

Jeff Dye 25:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:46 They just wanted a group.

Jeff Dye 25:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 25:48 They wanted a daddy. They wanted someone to, like-

Jeff Dye 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 So they, they, they thought to themselves, "I can hate black people. I mean, if, uh, if they're over there, I don't ever have to confront one."

Jeff Dye 25:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:57 "And I don't ever have to be un-" And then when they will meet a black guy, they'll go, "Well, not you. We're talking about the idea."

Jeff Dye 26:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:03 They're not even talking about that actual person. And the girl in the documentary goes, "Well, you know that you let me in and you've been very nice to me, and I'm a Muslim woman," and the guy's like, "Well, not you."

Jeff Dye 26:11 You're a good one.

Joe Rogan 26:12 "We're talking about..." Yeah.

Jeff Dye 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:13 So it's because they just wanted a group like you.

Jeff Dye 26:15 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 26:16 They just wanted a group like, like black gang members or Hispanic MS19, whatever these groups are.

Jeff Dye 26:21 I wanna be in a motorcycle gang.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Whatever your lesbian group is.

Jeff Dye 26:23 Yeah, I'm on the bowling league. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:23 Whatever your baseball team is. They needed a group.

Jeff Dye 26:26 They need a group.

Joe Rogan 26:27 And their group was like-

Jeff Dye 26:28 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 26:28 ... "I can hate some people I've never seen before."

Jeff Dye 26:30 Yeah, that's why it's so dangerous, like, groups, like, um, where, where they can get entrapped because, uh, the, uh, the Governor Whitmer case, do you know that case?

Joe Rogan 26:40 Mm-mm.

Jeff Dye 26:40 (laughs) These guys conspired to ki- to kidnap the governor of, uh-

Joe Rogan 26:45 Detroit.

Jeff Dye 26:46 ... Michigan? Michigan?

Narrator 26:47 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 26:47 Yeah. And, uh, there was 14 people involved. 12 of them were FBI informants.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Oh. (laughs) So (laughs) -

Jeff Dye 26:54 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 26:55 So he got these two dudes who just wanted to be in group.

Jeff Dye 26:57 Yeah, that's it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:57 Two guys, "Hey, man, we're gonna kidnap you-

Jeff Dye 27:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 ... and we're gonna take over the government. Fuck yeah."

Jeff Dye 27:02 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 27:03 "Yeah."

Jeff Dye 27:04 They just wanted some shit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:05 Red Riders. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 27:07 I'm in, I'm in. What time? I can be there.

Joe Rogan 27:08 They probably had a name for their gang.

Jeff Dye 27:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 27:10 They were cool. They called, they had a group chat, probably felt real cool.

Jeff Dye 27:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Group chat, all the guys in the gang.

Jeff Dye 27:14 We're doing it. We're gonna make some change.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah, we're getting the duct tape.

Jeff Dye 27:17 Vigilantes.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Yeah, meanwhile these two guys thought they were cosplaying and then they got arrested.

Jeff Dye 27:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Like, "I didn't know... I didn't really plan on doing it."

Jeff Dye 27:23 I know.

Joe Rogan 27:24 "It wasn't even my idea."

Jeff Dye 27:25 It's tricky. Another problem I've noticed too, like, along these lines is, like, let's say we're in a group. Let's say we have some group and then we find out one of the guys in our group did a bad thing. But we got, we gotta pay our bills, right? We got a group and also we do, we do have kind of camaraderie. So a bad thing groups like to do is cover up for that person.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Right.

Jeff Dye 27:43 So, like, it's not like every Catholic priest... I've heard all your terrible bits at the comedy clubs about the Catholic priests from every comic I know. It's not like all the ones were fine with sexually molesting children. It's just that there were a lot that did, and the church thought, "This is not gonna look good for us."

Joe Rogan 28:02 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 28:02 "Let's cover this up." It happens in the military.

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 28:05 Sometimes there's some bad guys in the military and they, instead of, like, they, they don't want people to think if you send your daughters to the military, bad things are gonna happen. So they kind of internally deal with it.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 28:14 You know? And that's a bad thing that groups do, is that even in our own government goes, "All right. Let's find a way to cover that up-

Joe Rogan 28:20 Right.

Jeff Dye 28:20 ... instead of dealing with this." Because if we just deal with it, it's gonna reflect poorly on the group.

Joe Rogan 28:24 "What are we gonna do with this obscene client list?" "Let's all get..." Yeah.

Jeff Dye 28:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:27 "Let's all..." Is it really helping the world?

Jeff Dye 28:30 Is it a big deal? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:30 Does Mr. Gates need this kind of attention?

Jeff Dye 28:32 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 28:33 He's out there trying to cure polio. Leave him alone.

Jeff Dye 28:34 Exactly. So you start to think-

Joe Rogan 28:37 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 28:37 ... "Let's protect the group."

Joe Rogan 28:38 Right.

Jeff Dye 28:38 And we do it in all these ways. I think that that's happened with the LGBTQ+ whatever. I think a lot of gay people are waking up and going, "Why did we let the trans people in this group? They're making us look terrible."

Joe Rogan 28:49 Well, lesbians are having a real problem with it-

Jeff Dye 28:51 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 28:51 ... because there's a lot of trans men who identify as lesbian.

Jeff Dye 28:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Or trans women-

Jeff Dye 28:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:55 ... they say they're a lesbian, and they get on lesbian apps and these girls are like, "I'm looking for a vagina." (laughs)

Jeff Dye 29:00 100%. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 "I want a dick. I don't fuck guys."

Jeff Dye 29:02 And now they're waking up going, "Ah, maybe this, maybe the trans struggle was different than the gay struggle, but we've let them in the group, and now..."

Joe Rogan 29:08 Well, a lot of gay guys think that the movement is homophobic because you're telling a young gay guy-

Jeff Dye 29:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:14 ... "No, you're a woman."

Jeff Dye 29:15 Which is crazy.

Joe Rogan 29:15 "You're actually a woman." Well, it's one of those things that you gotta say some people, it must be true, because it's always been a thing. Like, to, to have real gender dysphoria, to be in your mind-

Jeff Dye 29:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:28 ... feel like a woman has always been a thing, even if you're a guy. There's more effeminate women that feel like women. So it's like, that's real, but also when you encourage that and you reward people socially-

Jeff Dye 29:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:43 ... for that, and then you have Pride Day at kindergarten and you're, you're talking about, like-

Jeff Dye 29:47 Yeah, I'm telling you, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:47 ... sexual orientation in people that are nowhere near puberty, which is really crazy. And then you start, like, uh, having people that become trans, all of a sudden they're amazing-

Jeff Dye 29:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:59 ... where they were just really mediocre before, like Bruce Jenner. Like, he was the goof of the Kardashian show.

Jeff Dye 30:06 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:06 First of all, it makes no sense. No one's accomplished shit. This motherfucker was on the cover of Wheaties.

Jeff Dye 30:10 A star.

Joe Rogan 30:11 He was a star.

Jeff Dye 30:12 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:12 He was a fucking gold medalist-

Jeff Dye 30:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:14 ... in the decathlon in the goddamn Olympics.

Jeff Dye 30:16 Yeah. He was a national hero. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:18 He was a stud.

Jeff Dye 30:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:20 He was a stud.

Jeff Dye 30:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:20 And meanwhile he's on this show with these influencers.

Jeff Dye 30:23 (laughs) Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:23 And he's just getting nothing.

Jeff Dye 30:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:25 He's just mocked.

Jeff Dye 30:26 He's like, "I could be a pretty gal." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:28 Just openly mocked. He becomes a woman, he's Woman of the Year in six months.

Jeff Dye 30:33 Immediately. (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 In six months he took over the fucking game.

Jeff Dye 30:37 (clapping) He's a, he's a winner.

Joe Rogan 30:39 It's like a Chinese autistic kid coming into your math class-

Jeff Dye 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 ... and fucking up the curve.

Jeff Dye 30:43 How did they get here?

Joe Rogan 30:44 Like, "Hey."

Jeff Dye 30:45 What's going on here? This isn't-

Joe Rogan 30:45 This guy's a jink. He's got a 287 IQ. This is not fair.

Jeff Dye 30:49 He's cheating, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:49 He just came in and took over.

Jeff Dye 30:51 Superwoman?

Joe Rogan 30:52 He's... Everyone loved him until he started saying he was voting for Trump.

Jeff Dye 30:55 Yeah, now they hate him. Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Which was hilarious, like people are saying-

Jeff Dye 30:58 Her.

Joe Rogan 30:58 ... it's okay to misgender her.

Jeff Dye 31:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Uh, this person, call him Caitlyn, call her Caitlyn-

Jeff Dye 31:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:05 ... whatever, doesn't seem to care.

Jeff Dye 31:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Like, is fine with you deadnaming her or whatever.

Jeff Dye 31:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 Like, this is who she is now.

Jeff Dye 31:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:13 She's comfortable in her own skin. 60 years old, out of the closet, the whole deal. Yay.

Jeff Dye 31:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:18 But people are-... I saw this thing online where someone was saying it's okay to misgender Caitlyn Jenner because she voted for Trump. (slaps table) So, okay.

Jeff Dye 31:28 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 So transphobia is okay if someone differs with you politically?

Jeff Dye 31:32 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:33 Like, what are you doing?

Jeff Dye 31:34 I know. 100%

Joe Rogan 31:34 You're not being compassionate. You're not being kind. All these things that you said is only with total compliance are you willing to give people this grace. You must have total compliance to our ideology-

Jeff Dye 31:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:45 ... or you're cast out of the kingdom.

Jeff Dye 31:46 It's a leverage of power.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Even if you're a trans woman, which is like at the top of the oppression list.

Jeff Dye 31:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:51 They're above regular-

Jeff Dye 31:53 Cannibals. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 ... poor Black people, poor Mexicans, like poor immigrants. Trans people are at the top of the mount.

Jeff Dye 31:58 Yeah, they're attacking their own. They're like literally like cannibalists, just going like-

Joe Rogan 32:02 All you have to do.

Jeff Dye 32:02 ... "Oh, this one w- we, didn't fall in line."

Joe Rogan 32:04 Didn't fall in line. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 32:04 Just throw them out.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 32:05 It's the, it's the worst. I also think it's like just a big overcorrection. I think, I think humans are like guilty of always overcorrecting. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 32:14 Yes.

Jeff Dye 32:14 ... we were racist-

Joe Rogan 32:15 Yes.

Jeff Dye 32:16 ... historically. Uh, I, I could go on about that for hours. But like let's say that's the idea that we're agreeing with, that historically America was racist. So now the overcorrection is anything that is racist must be... Don't ever even accuse a person of color of something wrong, because-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Right.

Jeff Dye 32:31 ... because we have to so overcorrect, and we have to say how many Black friends we have and say how cool Black things are. And don't say that, uh, their hair is different 'cause that, that, that would be a racist thing.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Right.

Jeff Dye 32:41 Or, oh, we used to be homophobic. So now if a guy sucks a dick, well, let's give him a parade. Let's, let's-

Joe Rogan 32:46 Yeah, let's put him in the White House. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 32:47 Let's celebrate how... Exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:49 Let's get him in charge of-

Jeff Dye 32:50 It's like-

Joe Rogan 32:50 ... the fucking guy in the dress who's in charge of nuclear energy-

Jeff Dye 32:53 Right. Just let him suck dick.

Joe Rogan 32:53 ... that was stealing women's clothes.

Jeff Dye 32:55 Yeah, just let him suck dick. That's how-

Joe Rogan 32:56 We didn't need him to be in power.

Jeff Dye 32:57 That person's not exceptional just 'cause they wear a dress.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Right. That's crazy. That's a nutty person.

Jeff Dye 33:02 You're not virtuous, bec-

Joe Rogan 33:03 Yeah, exactly.

Jeff Dye 33:04 And that's... And like I think that there's a big difference between just letting someone live their life and not, and being kind-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Right.

Jeff Dye 33:09 ... to them in society and not treating them different and giving them all the same rights, as opposed to celebrating it.

Joe Rogan 33:14 I think you're absolutely right. It's just an extreme overcorrection.

Jeff Dye 33:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:17 What we need to do is just let people be themselves-

Jeff Dye 33:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:20 ... and figure out w- who that is. But what d- what is weird is when it becomes encouraged. And so then you get like th- with girls in particular, it's, they're very vulnerable. Abigail Shrier wrote a book about this, about how many girls that are on the spectrum get convinced that they're trans.

Jeff Dye 33:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:37 And then the problem is there's some states that allow you, I think if you're 15, you can go and get, uh, puberty blockers, or, uh, at the very least, you can get testosterone. I know you can do that. Do you know that like Planned Parenthood is like the number one prescriber of testosterone? See if that's true. But I think Planned Parenthood prescribes more testosterone than anybody, which is really crazy if that's true.

Jeff Dye 33:59 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Because I think in some places they help people with gender transition. So, and if you're a girl in some states-

Jeff Dye 34:06 You don't have to, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 ... you don't even have to be an adult. You can go to them and you don't have the permission of your parents.

Jeff Dye 34:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:10 And if you... I don't know who you have to consult with or what you have to do, but I've heard it's alarmingly easy.

Jeff Dye 34:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:15 And then now you're on testosterone. And one of the things that testosterone does is alleviates anxiety.

Jeff Dye 34:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Makes you feel stronger, you feel like more alert, you're more alive. Like that's, this is what I was missing.

Jeff Dye 34:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:26 I was missing testosterone. It's like, no, you weren't.

Jeff Dye 34:28 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:29 No, you weren't. That's not a natural part of your body. You just added something and now you feel way different, but now you're gonna change your voice. And if you grow out of this and if this is just a phase, well, now you've fucked up your life and you can't ever have children.

Jeff Dye 34:43 Right, it's a big deal.

Joe Rogan 34:43 And there's a bunch of those ladies out there, the detransitioners, they're stuck with deep voices for their whole lives, they're stuck with masculine features, they've cut their breasts off and they've done it before they're adults.

Jeff Dye 34:55 And I got in trouble for posting, uh, I got in trouble for posting this j- this.

Joe Rogan 34:57 Is that true about Planned Parenthood?

Narrator 34:59 I am... Hold on.

Joe Rogan 35:00 I don't want to get sued.

Jeff Dye 35:02 (laughs) Have, have you been sued?

Joe Rogan 35:05 No.

Jeff Dye 35:05 Anybody ever sued?

Joe Rogan 35:06 I did read it in a, um-

Narrator 35:08 I see one article, but I don't know if this is, uh, legit.

Joe Rogan 35:11 What does it say?

Narrator 35:12 Oh, it says that, but I'm trying to find out, I don't know what the... It's the Dallas Express. It doesn't seem like-

Joe Rogan 35:16 Well, that's the number one newspaper in the universe.

Narrator 35:18 (clears throat) Dallas Express.

Jeff Dye 35:19 It's gotta be. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:20 I was just at the-

Jeff Dye 35:20 Everyone's reading that.

Joe Rogan 35:21 ... Dallas Express. Planned Parenthood among largest suppliers of testosterone.

Jeff Dye 35:24 Right there in the headline.

Joe Rogan 35:25 Okay. Let's, let's see what the numbers are. Did they say numbers?

Narrator 35:27 That's right. I didn't even get that.

Jeff Dye 35:28 800 visits per year to more than 2,500.

Joe Rogan 35:30 That, that, that whole fucking ex- expression gender affirming care freaks me out, man, because-

Jeff Dye 35:34 I got in trouble for posting this. I said, uh, if genitals don't define gender, how does removing them affirm it?

Joe Rogan 35:40 Ooh. That's fucking touche.

Jeff Dye 35:43 So-

Joe Rogan 35:43 That's touche right there.

Jeff Dye 35:44 What are we doing? Like if-

Joe Rogan 35:45 Yeah. It's really crazy.

Jeff Dye 35:47 ... like you said like, "I don't need to have a vagina to be a woman," then why do I need to remove my penis to be a woman?

Joe Rogan 35:52 Whoa. Back that up again. The number of gender affirming hormone therapy visits to Planned Parenthood tripled between 2021 and 2023-

Jeff Dye 36:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:03 ... growing from 800 visits per year to more than 2,500. That's crazy. That shows you that it's a social contagion.

Jeff Dye 36:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:12 And that's Abigail Shrier's, uh, position on it, and it's a very compassionate, kind position.

Jeff Dye 36:18 Sure.

Joe Rogan 36:18 And it's about the future of children and them making decisions when they're very impressionable. And boy, did people attack her. They removed her from bookstores. They called her transphobic just for literally talking about facts and statistics and the numbers of increase and the psychological effect, like what's going on with them psychologically? Like why are they being led? Who are these... What is the ca- what, what is the actual odds that nine friends all become trans?

Jeff Dye 36:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:41 What are the odds of that? It's almost zero.

Jeff Dye 36:43 It's preposterous.

Joe Rogan 36:43 It's preposterous.

Jeff Dye 36:44 It's, it's absolutely. Yeah, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:45 But then again, it is also a real thing. Like there's always been people that have felt like they should have been a woman. And if you're a grown adult and you wanna make that decision, yeah, you do whatever you want to do.

Jeff Dye 36:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:58 I've met trans people that say they are very happy with what they've done.

Jeff Dye 37:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:03 That's great.

Jeff Dye 37:03 I guess.

Joe Rogan 37:04 But, but you got to know what the fuck that is. And when you're 13, you don't.

Jeff Dye 37:07 Yeah, I don't know if I'd encourage it even in an adult. I know that the correct statement for me right now would be like just leave our kids alone. But I think that maybe, I don't even want to encourage adults. I, we just got to pursue your own things, and I think that's beautiful, and I think that's what our country is about. But in my mind, I'm-

Joe Rogan 37:22 Find a dude who doesn't care about the dick.

Jeff Dye 37:24 (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Find... If you're a trans woman, find a dude who actually... Find Jim Norton.

Jeff Dye 37:28 Oh yeah, exactly. You can find-

Joe Rogan 37:29 Exactly.

Jeff Dye 37:29 ... a Jim Norton. You can find a celebrity.

Joe Rogan 37:31 You can find a Jim Norton. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 37:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:31 I mean, that's what happened with Jim.

Jeff Dye 37:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:33 He's got a trans woman for a wife.

Jeff Dye 37:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:34 He's happy. He talks about the dick.

Jeff Dye 37:36 You know what's crazy about-

Joe Rogan 37:37 He doesn't have a problem with the dick.

Jeff Dye 37:37 ... the Jim Norton thing? Is, uh, that like, you know, he's with these tough crowd guys, he's with All My Heroes. I looked up to Jim Norton my whole life. I love Jim Norton. I'm a fan. And then they go, "You know, he's, uh, married to a trans woman." And I was like, "The fuck?"

Joe Rogan 37:49 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 37:49 And every... (laughs) And everyone's like, "Oh, you, Jeff, and your trans thing." I was like, "No, if I know Jim Norton, he wouldn't have gotten married."

Joe Rogan 37:56 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 37:57 That's really what I was shocked about. The, the institution of marriage he believes in?

Joe Rogan 38:02 Well-

Jeff Dye 38:02 That's ridiculous. This is Jim Norton.

Joe Rogan 38:03 I think that's the over-correction.

Jeff Dye 38:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 You wanna show this is really your wife?

Jeff Dye 38:06 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:06 You're gonna marry her.

Jeff Dye 38:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Whereas all the girlfriends-

Jeff Dye 38:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:09 ... all the girls with va- d- their little stinky vaginas, "Get outta here."

Jeff Dye 38:12 "Get outta here."

Joe Rogan 38:12 "You ain't, you ain't getting married."

Jeff Dye 38:13 "You ain't getting married by telling anyone." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:14 "You can't take my last name. Fuck off."

Jeff Dye 38:16 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 38:16 "I'm waiting for a dick."

Jeff Dye 38:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:19 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 38:19 Yeah, it's very crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 38:20 But that's the over-correction, you know?

Jeff Dye 38:22 But you wouldn't encourage someone... And I know that I'm gonna take some hits for this, but you wouldn't encourage someone who believed that they were, that their body was fat if it wasn't healthily... You know, like with an eating disorder-

Joe Rogan 38:33 Right.

Jeff Dye 38:33 And they said, "Joe, but I-"

Joe Rogan 38:33 I think Tucker Carlson said that. You, you don't say, "Oh, you are fat."

Jeff Dye 38:36 Yeah, "Joe, you, oh, Joe, but I believe I should be..." And you go, "You're dying, dude."

Joe Rogan 38:40 Right. Or it's, no, he, what he said it about was anorexics. Like, you would never t- tell an anorexic-

Jeff Dye 38:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:44 ... "Oh, you are fat."

Jeff Dye 38:45 And that's real.

Joe Rogan 38:46 Right, right.

Jeff Dye 38:46 People are really out there believing.

Joe Rogan 38:48 Right.

Jeff Dye 38:48 They look in the mirror and they're a skeleton.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Right.

Jeff Dye 38:49 But they look in the mirror and they go, "I'm gross, I'm fat."

Joe Rogan 38:52 Exactly, yeah.

Jeff Dye 38:52 You, you wouldn't encourage it.

Joe Rogan 38:53 You would never encourage that.

Jeff Dye 38:54 You would treat it.

Joe Rogan 38:55 You would say, "No, there's something wrong," yeah.

Jeff Dye 38:56 Correct, you would treat it.

Joe Rogan 38:57 I think the other problem is that the whole way they do it, you can't orgasm ever again.

Jeff Dye 39:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Okay? And you don't really have a vagina. You have this hole, right? And then you have to keep that hole dilated, you have to stick something inside it. I think it's like lip jobs. Like don't get the early ones.

Jeff Dye 39:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Wait til they get this down. Don't let people experiment on you by splicing your dick open like a hot dog. Wait.

Jeff Dye 39:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Just hang in there.

Jeff Dye 39:21 Wait for the iPod 6.

Joe Rogan 39:22 Wait for gene therapy.

Jeff Dye 39:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:24 'Cause I firmly believe, it might not be in our lifetime, but if, maybe in our children or our grandchildren's lifetime, gene editing will get to a place where they will be able to turn you into whatever the fuck you want.

Jeff Dye 39:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:37 And it's probably gonna be a nightmare, because every guy's gonna look like Thor and every woman's gonna look like a prime Jennifer Lopez.

Jeff Dye 39:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:42 It's like there's not gonna be any variations. Everyone's gonna be super hot, right?

Jeff Dye 39:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Right? There's no, you're not gonna appreciate hot people.

Jeff Dye 39:48 Yeah, you'll go, "Big whoop." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:49 Yeah, because like, you know, when you, when a hot woman walks in the room and there's no other hot women, everyone's like, "Whoa-"

Jeff Dye 39:53 That's the best.

Joe Rogan 39:53 ... "One's here."

Jeff Dye 39:54 Yeah. "Look what I got."

Joe Rogan 39:55 "Look what, whoa, look at her. Oh, my goodness. What does she look like naked?"

Jeff Dye 39:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:00 Right? But if everybody looks like that, it's gonna be commonplace.

Jeff Dye 40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 And I think we're gonna get to a place where every man's gonna look like the Hulk.

Jeff Dye 40:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:06 It's just gonna be just giant dudes.

Jeff Dye 40:08 Nerds will, for sure.

Joe Rogan 40:09 100%, they're gonna be the first to sign up for that.

Jeff Dye 40:12 You know what's interesting-

Joe Rogan 40:12 All these fucking dudes that go to the coffee shop and sit there with their legs crossed like this-

Jeff Dye 40:17 No working out.

Joe Rogan 40:18 ... which I can't even do.

Jeff Dye 40:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:20 And their f- their fucking, their shoulders slump. They're gonna look like The Rock.

Jeff Dye 40:24 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 40:24 Just fucking... (screams) (laughs)

Jeff Dye 40:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:26 They're all gonna be beasts.

Jeff Dye 40:28 Dude, you know what's interesting about the, like, comic book, um, world? All the guys who, like, they read comics and it's Thor, right?

Joe Rogan 40:36 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 40:36 He's got shoulders like you and biceps like you. He's, they, they're reading Hulk-

Joe Rogan 40:40 Spider-Man, the Hulk, yeah.

Jeff Dye 40:41 ... all these dudes that are just fantastic-

Joe Rogan 40:44 The Punisher.

Jeff Dye 40:44 ... fantastic heroes that can give us justice-

Joe Rogan 40:47 Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 40:47 ... and beat your enemies.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Batman.

Jeff Dye 40:48 But then if they see you at the coffee shop and go, "Look at this douchebag," you go, "What? I look like your comic books."

Joe Rogan 40:53 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 40:54 Like, if Joe Rogan walked in, they should be going, "Holy shit, how does he look like that? I wanna look like that."

Joe Rogan 40:59 But isn't it also weird that it's like the feeblest men-

Jeff Dye 41:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:02 ... that really love the super powerful men in these fantasies-

Jeff Dye 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 ... but, but not real life?

Jeff Dye 41:07 But they don't wanna just work out to look like them.

Joe Rogan 41:09 They, but that's too hard, Jeff.

Jeff Dye 41:11 But just do it. Be like your heroes.

Joe Rogan 41:13 It's hard. I go in there and they pick on me.

Jeff Dye 41:14 (laughs) Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 41:15 Which is true, too.

Jeff Dye 41:16 "They look at me weird." Yeah, that's part of it.

Joe Rogan 41:17 It's so hard if you're, like, scrawny and you go to a gym for the first time, it's so disheartening.

Jeff Dye 41:22 It's tough, so what?

Joe Rogan 41:22 And there's always girls with those fucking yoga pants on that you might as well be a pile of shit to them.

Jeff Dye 41:29 (laughs) Well-

Joe Rogan 41:30 There's always big jack guys doing squats. (growls)

Jeff Dye 41:33 That's motivation, baby.

Joe Rogan 41:34 "Can you spot me?" "Yeah, I spot you." (growls)

Jeff Dye 41:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:36 It's like this-

Jeff Dye 41:37 Yeah, it is a-

Joe Rogan 41:37 And you're sitting there with your little fucking 10-pound dumbbells. (grunts)

Jeff Dye 41:41 My arms. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:43 (whimpers)

Jeff Dye 41:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:44 And it takes so long to get strong.

Jeff Dye 41:45 And guys like you are slamming weights.

Joe Rogan 41:47 It's-

Jeff Dye 41:47 You guys love to slam weights.

Joe Rogan 41:48 So long to get strong, it takes forever, so many reps. Oh, you gotta keep doing or you shrink.

Jeff Dye 41:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:55 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 41:55 Yeah. "Yeah, I gotta come back tomorrow?"

Joe Rogan 41:56 Yeah. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 41:57 They go, "Oh, I gotta do this again tomorrow?"

Joe Rogan 41:58 It's so hard that most people just wanna dismiss it.

Jeff Dye 42:01 But it's fun.

Joe Rogan 42:02 If you could do it in a pill, you would al- I always tell, I always tell it to anybody, can't... If I could give you a pill and that pill would give you more energy throughout the day, you could pick up anything-

Jeff Dye 42:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:10 ... you could carry things around, you'd never have to worry about yourself physically-

Jeff Dye 42:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:14 ... you, you're stronger than most people you meet, you know how to fight, wouldn't, wouldn't you take that pill?

Jeff Dye 42:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:19 Well, you can do that pill, stupid. It's called hard work.

Jeff Dye 42:21 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 42:21 That's all it is.

Jeff Dye 42:22 That's so true, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:23 That's all it is.

Jeff Dye 42:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:23 It's just work hard.

Jeff Dye 42:24 And it'll change everything for you. It'll change everything for you.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah. You know how it's boring to take all those vitamins? Take the vitamins, you fucking retard.

Jeff Dye 42:30 But, Joe-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Just open up the cabinet, uh, parse them out.

Jeff Dye 42:32 "But, we don't have t- I've gotta work at Chipotle."

Joe Rogan 42:34 Make sure you get enough protein and enough fat. Your fucking car's a race car that your body rather buys a race car.

Jeff Dye 42:39 "But, Joe, I don't have the free time. I have a family and I..."

Joe Rogan 42:41 Everybody has free time. You just choose to do it with other things. You choose to sit there with your fucking phone out.

Jeff Dye 42:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 42:46 Scrolling through Instagram.

Jeff Dye 42:47 I talk to it.

Joe Rogan 42:48 And checking your likes and arguing with people on Twitter.

Jeff Dye 42:50 Yeah, that's how I feel like.

Joe Rogan 42:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Jeff Dye 42:52 It's like you got plenty of time to-

Joe Rogan 42:53 (laughs) There's so much time.

Jeff Dye 42:53 ... go to McDonald's. You got time to-

Joe Rogan 42:55 There's so much time.

Jeff Dye 42:56 David Goggins has that great quote where he's like, he says, he's, "This guy said to me, 'Oh, uh, the gym membership's too expensive.'" He goes, "You got a motherfucking floor where you live?"

Joe Rogan 43:04 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 43:05 "You got a ground where, where you're at? Then work out, motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 43:08 Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:08 And I love that kind of mentality of like-

Joe Rogan 43:10 Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:10 ... you could do, you could do a whole workout right there.

Joe Rogan 43:13 All you need is a chin-up bar. That's the only... And you don't even need that. You can get those things that hang on your door. You don't even have to get like a permanent thing.

Jeff Dye 43:19 Yeah, you could push-ups.

Joe Rogan 43:19 They have good chin-up bars now.

Jeff Dye 43:21 Push-ups.

Joe Rogan 43:21 They're like attached to your door frame and they're solid and they hold you in place, you screw them in. They're, they're legit. Y- And all you need is that and push-ups, body weight squats, sit-ups.

Jeff Dye 43:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 There's a bunch of different yoga exercises you could do.

Jeff Dye 43:32 There's rocks outside.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:33 You could pick up a rock, free rock.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:35 It's not a cool kettlebell with a monkey hanging on it, but it, you know, it, you could-

Joe Rogan 43:39 Rocks.

Jeff Dye 43:40 Rocks are heavy.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Rocks are awkward, too.

Jeff Dye 43:41 Tree branch. I, I know-

Joe Rogan 43:43 Sandbags.

Jeff Dye 43:43 ... 7,000 parks by my house that have a bar that you wouldn't have to buy on Amazon.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 43:47 You could just go hang from it.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Oh, yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:49 Yeah, those are always good.

Jeff Dye 43:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Monkey bars, those are great.

Jeff Dye 43:51 That'll do it.

Joe Rogan 43:52 That's the number one way kids break their fucking arms too.

Jeff Dye 43:54 Oh, really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah, my daughter broke her arm on a monkey bar. I broke my arm on a monkey bar.

Jeff Dye 43:58 Really?

Joe Rogan 43:58 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 43:58 At school? Like, she broke it at school?

Joe Rogan 44:01 Yeah, at school, yeah.

Jeff Dye 44:02 It's like a park.

Joe Rogan 44:02 I'm at school and at this, that school. I was like, "Boy, that monkey bar is really high off the ground." (laughs) ... these fucking-

Jeff Dye 44:07 All right.

Joe Rogan 44:07 ... kids are seven.

Jeff Dye 44:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:08 Like, this is crazy.

Jeff Dye 44:09 I like that, though. It's-

Joe Rogan 44:10 And she's a little reckless.

Jeff Dye 44:11 ... Ninja Warrior out there.

Joe Rogan 44:12 Yeah. Well, that's what it is. All these kids are just trying to have fun, but they don't understand their limitations yet. That's why it's dangerous to have 'em in a, a environment like that.

Jeff Dye 44:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:19 'Cause they've... You know, but that's how you learn.

Jeff Dye 44:21 It's good.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Like, when we were kids, they had those domes.

Jeff Dye 44:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 And you'd climb inside. Kids were always getting concussions. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 44:26 Perfect triangles. Yeah. (laughs) There's foots in it, but they fall this way, so just kinda-

Joe Rogan 44:30 Oh, their leg knees rip apart.

Jeff Dye 44:32 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:32 Those fucking things.

Jeff Dye 44:33 What's the dome one?

Joe Rogan 44:33 Bro.

Jeff Dye 44:33 We had a, we had an actual, like, circular one that was little triangles.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Yeah. We had one of those too, and there was... But there was one that was like, it was like a half a circle.

Jeff Dye 44:41 Right. Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:42 It was like a dome with all these monkey bars inside of it and shit.

Jeff Dye 44:45 Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 44:46 Yeah, like that.

Jeff Dye 44:46 That's the one I had.

Joe Rogan 44:46 That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 44:47 Yeah, we had that. And like, there, there would always be-

Joe Rogan 44:49 There was always those.

Jeff Dye 44:49 ... like, one bar missing sometimes, like, on the thing.

Joe Rogan 44:51 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 44:51 You'd be like, "Huh? What happened here?"

Joe Rogan 44:52 Sharp, sharp edges-

Jeff Dye 44:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:53 ... and fucking screws sticking out of it.

Jeff Dye 44:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:55 But kids always bang their head. I banged my head a hundred times on those fucking things.

Jeff Dye 44:59 It also forces creativity too, 'cause you're like... You know, there's no iPad there. There's no, like-

Joe Rogan 45:04 Right.

Jeff Dye 45:04 ... uh, video. There's no Candy Crush. So you had to be like, "All right, this is our igloo that we're gonna protect." Or, "This is a"-

Joe Rogan 45:09 Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if that's good. Everybody wants to, like, look back to the days when everyone was bored and say... And like, romantically, "Yeah, when you make your own fun." Like, huh, I think if I had a video game-

Jeff Dye 45:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:20 ... it would've been way more fun. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 45:21 Well, we had both. I had the '90s, so we had both.

Joe Rogan 45:24 I didn't.

Jeff Dye 45:24 Like, when I was a kid, we would play video games all night. But during the day, there was something fun about, uh, wrestling. You know, like-

Joe Rogan 45:31 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 45:31 ... the human part of interact.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Oh, yeah, doing stuff.

Jeff Dye 45:33 So we really were making up things with guns and just-

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 45:36 ... like, shooting each other and yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:38 So you had the best of both worlds.

Jeff Dye 45:39 Yeah, we kinda had both.

Joe Rogan 45:39 But that was before online media or online-

Jeff Dye 45:41 Oh, yes. We weren't-

Joe Rogan 45:42 ... like social media.

Jeff Dye 45:42 ... online playing video games either.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 45:43 It was just me versus my buddy.

Joe Rogan 45:45 I think the social media thing is the craziest part of it. I think kids are just... First of all, they're weirdly connected 'cause they all get on Snapchat, and then they have a Snap Map.

Jeff Dye 45:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:54 So they know where all their friends are at any given time.

Jeff Dye 45:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 And, and then so that they're, they're constantly like paying attention to that and h-

Jeff Dye 46:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:01 ... and finding each other, and they go in groups and they go to this party and, "Oh, the, they're at this party. Let's go to that party."

Jeff Dye 46:07 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 46:07 See 'em on the maps.

Jeff Dye 46:08 Yeah. They're adults. Th- you just described adults.

Joe Rogan 46:10 They're k-

Jeff Dye 46:10 Those aren't even kids anymore.

Joe Rogan 46:11 They're little kids that are like traveling around with their friends with phones and they only talk through text messages.

Jeff Dye 46:17 Yeah, that's adults.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Yeah, but it's-

Jeff Dye 46:19 Which sucks.

Joe Rogan 46:20 ... fucking weird. It's a-

Jeff Dye 46:21 It sucks.

Joe Rogan 46:22 ... a weird new life. They still do... Like kids today, they still do physical things. They still do sports, you know, but when we were kids, the thing about not having any other influences, espe- especially like social media influences, you didn't really aspire to be exactly like other people, you know? It's like there was peop- there was groups of people that, you know, you gravitated towards being a jock.

Jeff Dye 46:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:49 You gravitated towards being an artist. You gra... But you didn't try to like completely copy whatever trend is going on.

Jeff Dye 46:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Nowadays, kids are... They leave their fucking stupid label on their s- their Nikes.

Jeff Dye 47:03 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Like, what is that? What is that? Where it's supposed to be cool to k- k- keep your fucking label on your Ni- and you're all doing it?

Jeff Dye 47:08 But, yeah, the tag is like, "Look, it's a limited edition..." It's like, it's not.

Joe Rogan 47:12 I made David Look's cut it off.

Jeff Dye 47:12 They made a bunch of those. Oh, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 47:14 I pulled a knife out. I go, "Cut that off."

Jeff Dye 47:16 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 47:16 I go, "What are you, a sheep?"

Jeff Dye 47:17 (claps hands)

Joe Rogan 47:17 "Are you a little sheep? You got a fucking tag-"

Jeff Dye 47:19 Shocked he did that.

Joe Rogan 47:20 ... "on your Nikes?"

Jeff Dye 47:21 And he did. He cut it off.

Joe Rogan 47:21 He goes, "You're right." I go, "I'm right."

Jeff Dye 47:23 I love that.

Joe Rogan 47:23 "I fucking am right."

Jeff Dye 47:24 Yeah, I love that.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Who cares if everyone knows there's-

Jeff Dye 47:26 Yeah, it's so stupid.

Joe Rogan 47:27 ... w- white label or whatever it is?

Jeff Dye 47:28 I know.

Joe Rogan 47:28 What is it called?

Jeff Dye 47:29 It's called an Off-White.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Yeah, whatever.

Jeff Dye 47:30 It means that it has that red tag on it. Yeah, stupid.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Get that fucking knife out.

Jeff Dye 47:34 No, he's smart. I love that he did that.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Cut it off. Cut if off right in the green room. Cut it off.

Jeff Dye 47:36 That was a daddy moment for him.

Joe Rogan 47:37 I gave him a knife.

Jeff Dye 47:38 You give... You, you said, "Hey, I'm Dad here. You need to-"

Joe Rogan 47:40 This is nonsense.

Jeff Dye 47:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:42 You are not doing this.

Jeff Dye 47:44 I love that.

Joe Rogan 47:44 You're not gonna have a propeller on your hat. (wailing)

Jeff Dye 47:46 Keep a sticker on your... on the thing.

Joe Rogan 47:48 (wailing) "Take that propeller off your fucking hat."

Jeff Dye 47:51 "Take it off." It's for di- Grow up.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 47:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:53 You don't have to have that label. When I was a kid, dudes would have labels on their hats.

Jeff Dye 47:57 I hate that.

Joe Rogan 47:57 They'd buy new hats and they'd-

Jeff Dye 47:59 Leave it.

Joe Rogan 47:59 ... leave the tag.

Jeff Dye 48:00 Or the sticker on the bill is-

Joe Rogan 48:01 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 48:01 ... one of my biggest pet peeves.

Joe Rogan 48:03 The sticker on the bill is stupid. Take that sticker off.

Jeff Dye 48:05 Take the sticker off. Like, like why is-

Joe Rogan 48:06 Why do you have that shiny, stupid sticker-

Jeff Dye 48:07 Makes no sense to me.

Joe Rogan 48:08 ... that's dumb?

Jeff Dye 48:09 Yeah. I, uh, I think the-

Joe Rogan 48:11 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 48:11 ... one thing that I do look backwards and, and, and think about, and this is a mushroom thought for sure. This came to me, you know, uh... Whereas like I would s- my mom would go, "Why do you need these expensive shoes for school?" And I didn't have the intelligence at the time to explain it to her now, but now I look back and I go, I wa- I wish I would've said, "Mom, my whole social structure is based on this."

Joe Rogan 48:33 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 48:34 Because I don't have the internet, which would later come out. I don't have these things. W- when, at least in the '90s and the, and the late '80s when I was growing up, Amber Shoemaker was the hottest girl at our school, which meant Amber Shoemaker's the hottest woman in our universe. I didn't go online and go, "Well, Amber's not..." I didn't have anyone else. That's the hottest girl.

Joe Rogan 48:53 Right.

Jeff Dye 48:54 Do you know what I'm saying? The coolest guy in our school, Anthony Medina, was the coolest guy in the world-

Joe Rogan 48:57 Right.

Jeff Dye 48:57 ... 'cause that's our world.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Right, right.

Jeff Dye 48:58 Whereas kids now could go, "Who gives a shit about Anthony Medina?"

Joe Rogan 49:01 Right.

Jeff Dye 49:01 "I'm following LeBron." And I'm fu-

Joe Rogan 49:03 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 49:03 So, like, w- you... We had our own little realities.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Hmm.

Jeff Dye 49:06 You know? So it's like, I didn't give a shit about the, uh, the Bulls necessarily, but if Mike Jensen from my school said, "The Bulls are cool," I liked the Bulls.

Joe Rogan 49:15 Right.

Jeff Dye 49:15 I didn't have anywhere to escape to. I need to do-

Joe Rogan 49:18 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 49:18 ... what I can... And I think even before me was probably even better than that. I think like when cowboys roamed the earth, that might have been number one.

Joe Rogan 49:25 No, no, no, no, no.

Jeff Dye 49:27 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 49:28 No, no, no, no, no.

Jeff Dye 49:28 'Cause here's why. H- hear me out. That cow... Let's say we're cowboys, right?

Joe Rogan 49:32 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 49:32 We're on the ridge line.

Joe Rogan 49:33 Cowboys.

Jeff Dye 49:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:33 I like it. I like it.

Jeff Dye 49:34 And we... It's... The sun's going down.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Yellowstone type cowboys.

Jeff Dye 49:36 Yeah, sun's going down.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Tied to a house?

Jeff Dye 49:37 It's a jo-

Joe Rogan 49:37 Tied with a house or they're kinda-

Jeff Dye 49:38 Yeah. No, no, but we're-

Joe Rogan 49:39 ... in the real one?

Jeff Dye 49:40 We have a house, but we're now on the ridge line with our horses.

Joe Rogan 49:42 Oh, we're on the road.

Jeff Dye 49:43 A few days.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Dye 49:44 And-

Joe Rogan 49:44 On the trail.

Jeff Dye 49:45 ... I say, "Hey, buddy. Let's, uh... Sun's going down. Let's make a fire."

Joe Rogan 49:47 Okay.

Jeff Dye 49:48 All right. But we gotta brush the horses. We gotta do our shit.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Right, right, right, right, right.

Jeff Dye 49:51 We're eating our can. We see all these twinkling lights out there and we go-

Joe Rogan 49:54 Right.

Jeff Dye 49:54 ... we got a picture of Our Lady in our wallet. Like, "Oh man, I can't wait to get home to her, you know, say some dirty things about her." And then I, uh, would eat my beans and then I'd say, "Wonder what everyone's doing out there?"I would just wonder.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Yeah, that is a really cute version of what it meant like to be a cowboy. Here's what it really was like.

Jeff Dye 50:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:11 You would stay up be- and I would sleep because we don't want anybody raping and killing us-

Jeff Dye 50:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:17 ... in the middle of the night 'cause the Indians have been following us for miles.

Jeff Dye 50:20 That's true.

Joe Rogan 50:20 And we don't know they've been following us, and we're too stupid-

Jeff Dye 50:22 That would be reversed, by the way.

Joe Rogan 50:23 ... we're too stupid-

Jeff Dye 50:23 You'd stay up and I'd sleep. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:24 We're too stupid to cold camp, okay? So we started a fire-

Jeff Dye 50:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:28 ... which makes you really easy to spot, and they just-

Jeff Dye 50:30 Oh.

Joe Rogan 50:30 ... wait 'til that fire starts getting dim and they hear snoring. And they come in and they cut you up and they fuck you and they do whatever they want.

Jeff Dye 50:37 No, you're supposed to stay awake and-

Joe Rogan 50:39 And they kill you. Well, I mean y-

Jeff Dye 50:40 ... slaughter them.

Joe Rogan 50:40 We, it was only two of us.

Jeff Dye 50:42 That's true, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:42 There was like seven or eight of them and, you know, back in the musket days-

Jeff Dye 50:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 ... it was a lot of reloading time.

Jeff Dye 50:47 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Just fucking pointing them out every day.

Jeff Dye 50:49 I get one of them, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Y- that's why the Comanches dominated this area-

Jeff Dye 50:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:53 ... because they, they were ch- using single shotguns.

Jeff Dye 50:56 But Joe, that's racist.

Joe Rogan 50:57 And the Comanches have-

Jeff Dye 50:57 They were just sitting here peacefully.

Joe Rogan 50:59 The Comanches, they were not.

Jeff Dye 51:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:01 The Comanches had multiple arrows on their fingers. So they'd keep like four or five arrows, and they would shoot one and they'd shoot another one-

Jeff Dye 51:08 So sick.

Joe Rogan 51:08 ... then shoot another one. They were just fucking these dudes up.

Jeff Dye 51:11 Yeah, I bet.

Joe Rogan 51:12 The only thing that saved this entire state and the only reason why people were able to conquer was the Colt r- pistol.

Jeff Dye 51:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:17 When they figured out how to make a pistol with like a chamber, it was Colt, right? Wasn't it?

Narrator 51:22 I think so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:22 I think it was Colt. So they, they developed the, the, the, the, the, believe this or not, at the time, the military didn't want him.

Jeff Dye 51:29 Really?

Joe Rogan 51:29 They were like, "What are we doing with these six shots? We got one shot."

Jeff Dye 51:31 Really?

Joe Rogan 51:32 Good enough. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 51:33 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 51:33 So the guy couldn't sell them.

Jeff Dye 51:34 That's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 51:34 He sold them to the Texas Rangers.

Jeff Dye 51:36 Oh, that's amazing.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Jack Smith, that guy who's out in the hallway, that photograph?

Jeff Dye 51:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:40 That's why he's there. That's, that's the original Texas Ranger. That guy was-

Jeff Dye 51:43 Why wouldn't they want more bullets f- quicker accessibly? Like that's just-

Joe Rogan 51:46 'Cause it's the government. They're always, they've always been retarded.

Jeff Dye 51:48 Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 51:49 They were even retarding in the 1800s.

Jeff Dye 51:50 More bullets.

Joe Rogan 51:51 So this was a u- a novel invention-

Jeff Dye 51:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:53 ... where this guy figured out a revolver. And it was like a, you had to take the cylinder out and put a new cylinder in. But every time you did you get five or s- six? Was it six shots or five? But, so it was the first time ever you could fire multiple times and then just start fucking up these Indians.

Jeff Dye 52:05 Yeah, m- no, that was-

Joe Rogan 52:06 And then they started taking over.

Jeff Dye 52:06 ... protection, yeah, for sure. That's great.

Joe Rogan 52:07 But it's these guys that like, they dressed like Indians, they fucking infiltrated, they cold camped, they would go deep, deep, deep into like uncharted territories.

Jeff Dye 52:16 Those were probably just bad guys pretending to be Indians to make the Indians look bad.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Oh, no, no, no. They w-

Jeff Dye 52:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:21 ... they were bad guys.

Jeff Dye 52:23 Just kidding.

Joe Rogan 52:23 But they were bad guys to go after the Indians.

Jeff Dye 52:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:26 They were bad guys.

Jeff Dye 52:27 No, but what I was saying-

Joe Rogan 52:27 But so were the fucking Indians.

Jeff Dye 52:29 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 52:29 They were bad to each other.

Jeff Dye 52:31 St- exactly, they were also... That's why I always get so mad about the debate about like, "Well, you came here. Like, white people came here and did bad." It's like, dude, you think that they weren't all fighting for land here? They were all s- fighting.

Joe Rogan 52:41 They weren't just fighting.

Jeff Dye 52:41 But-

Joe Rogan 52:41 They w- they didn't ever, ever, ever surrender.

Jeff Dye 52:45 Yeah, there was lots of tribes.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Because if they got, if they surrendered, they were tortured and murdered.

Jeff Dye 52:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:48 Like the Comanches used to chop dudes' arms off and legs off and then throw them while they were still alive on a roaring fire.

Jeff Dye 52:55 That's gross.

Joe Rogan 52:55 And watch them squirm around.

Jeff Dye 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:57 They, it was fun.

Jeff Dye 52:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:59 They were having a good time.

Jeff Dye 53:00 I meant mentally. Earlier, from my earlier analogy of the cute cowboy stuff.

Joe Rogan 53:03 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Jeff Dye 53:04 It's, no, no, what I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 53:05 It was never cute.

Jeff Dye 53:05 ... is that mentally we didn't compare.

Joe Rogan 53:07 D- it was dangerous, dude.

Jeff Dye 53:08 I know, I believe, I, I hear you.

Joe Rogan 53:10 It was terrifying. All that Home on the Range shit is straight up horse shit.

Jeff Dye 53:13 No, what I mean is they didn't compare.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Oh right, because there were, there were, you hear that sound? Yeah, someone's-

Jeff Dye 53:17 You had too many real things.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Someone's raping an Indian lady.

Jeff Dye 53:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Hear that? Are you fucking s- (laughs) You hear gunshots and children screaming.

Jeff Dye 53:25 You wouldn't think, "Oh, so what that Jeff dies with me," uh, "so what that he's funny, he's no Dave Chappelle." Y- y- you didn't compare.

Joe Rogan 53:35 But they did, like Billy the Kid. Like d- people became famous.

Jeff Dye 53:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:39 They became infamous, these people, that everybody wanted to be like Billy the Kid.

Jeff Dye 53:42 Well, there was one guy that we'd try to be like. Right now I'd go, big deal Billy the Kid, there's a guy in Japan that can shoot 70...

Joe Rogan 53:48 Right.

Jeff Dye 53:48 Like the phone makes you have seven million.

Joe Rogan 53:50 That's true. That's true.

Jeff Dye 53:50 You don't even appreciate your wife learning guitar 'cause you go, "She's no Bob Dylan, you know, who gives a shit?" So that's what I was trying to say.

Joe Rogan 53:58 That sounds like a really, really shitty husband.

Jeff Dye 53:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:59 That's a (laughs) that guy's a dead-

Jeff Dye 54:00 That guy's mean, but he's thinking that.

Joe Rogan 54:01 You're not even Eric Clapton, you bitch.

Jeff Dye 54:02 He's thinking that.

Joe Rogan 54:03 What the fuck? She just started.

Jeff Dye 54:05 Give her a break, dude.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Yeah, I think-

Jeff Dye 54:07 But I meant mentally we didn't compare.

Joe Rogan 54:10 I think we are not designed for it, but I think kids will be. I think the human mind is going to adapt to technology and in- interacting with each other. And I think socially people are adapting to interacting with each other. You know? Like the way kids like go after each other online, like they're adapted to it. They're n- it's normalized to them.

Jeff Dye 54:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Just like, you know, if you live in a war-torn part of the world, seeing dead people's n- it normalizes to you.

Jeff Dye 54:35 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:35 And I think kids are normalizing to electronics. And people wanna resist that and they wanna say, "Oh, I don't want my kids to use electronics." I'm like (sucks teeth) , it's a part of the world. I use it, uh, it's a part of the world. It doesn't, it's not a barrier to being a good person. It's not a barrier to living a, a happy, healthy life.

Jeff Dye 54:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:51 Just like alcohol's not a barrier, but for some people it is.

Jeff Dye 54:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:54 Some people have a real fucking problem with social media, and you see it, a lot of comics, especially the unsuccessful ones, when they're, they start falling apart when they get older, it just exacerbates their mental illness.

Jeff Dye 55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:05 And then it becomes all politics.

Jeff Dye 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Is these guys used to talk about farts and getting their dick sucked.

Jeff Dye 55:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:11 Now it's all politics.

Jeff Dye 55:13 That's so true.

Joe Rogan 55:13 And it's all like life hangs on every decision.

Jeff Dye 55:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 And we're doomed if this takes place.

Jeff Dye 55:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:19 Doomed.

Jeff Dye 55:20 You know what, uh, comedian dude does that is Kathy Griffin. You know her? She's... That guy does a lot.

Joe Rogan 55:25 That's not a dude.

Jeff Dye 55:26 Oh, you know what I mean.

Joe Rogan 55:27 That's not a dude.

Jeff Dye 55:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:27 You just misgendered-

Jeff Dye 55:29 That guy, uh, that guy's un- unhinged. You go on there, it's all day, just some s- doom and gloom.

Joe Rogan 55:34 What do you th- do you think that that's because like that's how they find meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence? Like what is it about people th- where their entire life becomes completely wrapped around politics to the point where they're tweeting about it literally all day long?

Jeff Dye 55:50 I know.

Joe Rogan 55:50 And saying these things that they think are profound about all kinds of different issues.

Jeff Dye 55:56 I think it's gotta be some sort of virtue signaling.

Joe Rogan 55:58 What-

Jeff Dye 55:58 Like it's their way to go, "Look at how good I am."

Joe Rogan 56:00 It's also a way to show that you're relevant.

Jeff Dye 56:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:04 You know, you're talking about the things that people care about right now, and you're chiming in and saying the things that need to be said.

Jeff Dye 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 You're being heard.

Jeff Dye 56:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:11 You know, there's a lot of like weird... There's a lot of just, they want attention. There's a narcissism to, to a lot of it.But then there's also people that are capable of going online and having interesting discussions with people they don't know. And if you can manage that, you can actually get a lot out of, like, Twitter and X and all these different-

Jeff Dye 56:29 100%.

Joe Rogan 56:29 ... ways. You can get a lot out of it. You can get out a lot. But it's so hard to do.

Jeff Dye 56:33 I know.

Joe Rogan 56:34 Because it's, like, so... It's such a... It's like you're, you're deciphering smoke signals. It's like the person's not even in front of you.

Jeff Dye 56:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 You know? Like you're getting these weird interactions with people. There's a lot of like, like what does this guy mean by that?

Jeff Dye 56:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Is he being shitty? Is he just being honest? Like what is this?

Jeff Dye 56:50 Yeah, it's, uh, very tough to, to, to translate their-

Joe Rogan 56:53 It's a sucky way to communicate.

Jeff Dye 56:54 What are they doing? Like, like what is the... Were they trying to be funny right there?

Joe Rogan 56:57 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 56:57 Were they trying... Yeah, it's very tricky.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Well, I'm very lucky in that I get to talk to so many interesting people. So I don't need to have as many interesting conversations online with people.

Jeff Dye 57:06 Yeah, and also you're a comedian. My favorite thing about being a comedian is I get heard a lot.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 57:10 We get to be heard.

Joe Rogan 57:12 That helps.

Jeff Dye 57:12 Even when I'm wrong, I get to be heard.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Right.

Jeff Dye 57:14 So like, is I-

Joe Rogan 57:15 You can be wrong and still funny.

Jeff Dye 57:16 Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Yeah, that was Patrice's whole act. (laughs)

Jeff Dye 57:19 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, 100%. I'm often sometimes wrong and it's just so funny. They go, "Oh yeah, like I like this guy."

Joe Rogan 57:24 If it's funny, and also there's part of being wrong on purpose.

Jeff Dye 57:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Like I say things that I know is wrong on purpose 'cause it's funny. It's funny to say.

Jeff Dye 57:32 Yeah, if they go... You're going for the laugh first.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Yeah, I'm just trying to be silly.

Jeff Dye 57:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 I'm trying to be silly. That's what I like. That's the kind of comedy I like.

Jeff Dye 57:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:39 So I'm gonna do that and you can like it or you don't like it, but-

Jeff Dye 57:41 100%.

Joe Rogan 57:42 What infuriates me is when people try to take jokes or talking shit and just conflate it and pretend that it's a statement.

Jeff Dye 57:52 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Like, "You-"

Jeff Dye 57:53 It drives me crazy.

Joe Rogan 57:54 "Do you not have any friends?"

Jeff Dye 57:55 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Do you not have any friends?

Jeff Dye 57:57 You don't joke? Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 57:58 You don't joke around?

Jeff Dye 57:59 You don't pretend.

Joe Rogan 57:59 You order wild, outrageous shit.

Jeff Dye 57:59 You wonder why all these comics wanna go to the right, it's 'cause freedom of speech is a pretty big deal to us.

Joe Rogan 58:04 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:04 I- Naturally it's a pretty big deal that we can say whatever we want. 'Cause here's the thing, racism is bad.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:09 But it is kind of funny sometimes.

Joe Rogan 58:11 It's, it's very funny when it's about white people.

Jeff Dye 58:14 Sexism is bad, but it's pretty funny sometimes.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Sometimes.

Jeff Dye 58:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:16 If it's well-made.

Jeff Dye 58:17 Yeah, it's funny. If, if it's funny enough.

Joe Rogan 58:19 A good meme, a solid meme.

Jeff Dye 58:20 Great. Love it.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:21 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Things are funny.

Jeff Dye 58:23 And people go, "Well that's racist." You go, "I- Well and it's racial and it's funny."

Joe Rogan 58:27 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:27 "But don't just assume that it's this blanketly bad thing."

Joe Rogan 58:30 It makes hate. Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:30 Yeah, it's, it's such a silly...

Joe Rogan 58:31 Like it's funny no matter who gets it.

Jeff Dye 58:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:34 It's funny if white guys get it. It's funny if white women get it.

Jeff Dye 58:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:37 It's funny if Indian guys get it.

Jeff Dye 58:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Things are funny when people get it. When they get them jokes, it's funny.

Jeff Dye 58:43 Right. And they don't care about the racial stuff when it's, when it's like a comic of any other race doing it.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Right, of course.

Jeff Dye 58:48 You're like, if you were gonna use that same measuring stick, go to the Laugh Factory, you could cancel all 12 comedians that are on stage-

Joe Rogan 58:53 Mm-hmm.

Jeff Dye 58:54 ... making easy racial remarks.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Right.

Jeff Dye 58:55 But they're like, "But he's Persian." Yeah, I know, but it's still a racial remark.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 58:59 You know?

Joe Rogan 58:59 Especially if you're cracking on white people. You could crack on white people as hard as you want right now.

Jeff Dye 59:03 I know.

Joe Rogan 59:03 It's great.

Jeff Dye 59:04 Which is so vague too. I don't know if this is a smart idea or not, but it's just something I always think is like, it's so vague. These shitty comics like Hari Kondabolu are like, "White people, white peo-" What white people?

Joe Rogan 59:15 Which ones?

Jeff Dye 59:15 French? Canadian? Do Jews count?

Joe Rogan 59:19 (laughs)

Jeff Dye 59:19 Croatian? What a great lump you've done. All white? You know how many countries that covers?

Joe Rogan 59:25 Uh-oh.

Jeff Dye 59:25 And then you go, "Well, that's why we're saying it 'cause we don't mean a specific country. We're talking about a..." But then so then that's racist. You go, "Well, white's not a race. It's just a, it's a color of the..." Well then how come black is, is, is a race? Because black would be Haiti, it would be a tons of parts of Africa. It would... You know? So I guess my point is like then, then it's not racist when I say black if it's not racist when you say white 'cause you're over-gloaming a big thing.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Yeah. It... No, it's ridiculous. Also, how much do white people vary? (laughs)

Jeff Dye 59:56 There's so many white people.

Joe Rogan 59:58 They vary so much.

Jeff Dye 59:59 It's so vague.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 To just say white men, like, "Oh, God."

Jeff Dye 1:00:01 "Oh, you must be rich 'cause you're white." You're like do you know how many poor white people there are?

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Go to Kentucky.

Jeff Dye 1:00:06 Most of them are poor.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Okay. Yeah, go to where the fucking coal mines are.

Jeff Dye 1:00:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 Those coal mining communities where people have just been popping pills-

Jeff Dye 1:00:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 ... since the '80s.

Jeff Dye 1:00:15 Meth?

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:00:16 You never heard of white trash?

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 You ever see-

Jeff Dye 1:00:17 Like we dominate the poor community.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Have you ever seen The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia?

Jeff Dye 1:00:21 Yeah, dude. Jessco White.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Fucking amazing.

Jeff Dye 1:00:23 Those dancing skills.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Didn't Johnny Knoxville produce that?

Jeff Dye 1:00:27 I, that's how I saw it, was the-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Yeah.

Jeff Dye 1:00:28 I don't know if it was Johnny Knoxville, but uh, Jackhole