Joe Rogan Experience #2233 - Scott Storch

1. 0:00 – 1:38

   Iconic beats and the "perfect imperfection" of "Still D.R.E."

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. SSScott Storch0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (energetic music) Those are the three-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Yeah.

   5. SSScott Storch0:13

      ... I probably most iconic, um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      So what do you ... What are the ... We're rolling now, so tell me what, what's, like, the most iconic beats you've created in your opinion?

   7. SSScott Storch0:21

      Oh, we're already rolling?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      We're rolling. Fuck it.

   9. SSScott Storch0:23

      Hey, fuck it. We're doing it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Hey.

   11. SSScott Storch0:24

       How you doing?

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Hey.

   13. SSScott Storch0:25

       I mean, look. I've got not hundreds, but thousands of songs. I've created.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Thousands.

   15. SSScott Storch0:31

       Thousands.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       For sure.

   17. SSScott Storch0:32

       Thousands of songs. Um, I'm told most often that most iconic or identifiable one is obviously Still Dre. We got ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Give me a little of that real quick.

   19. SSScott Storch0:49

       Let's see. (piano music) Now, if you watch my fingers while I'm playing that, if I was just, like, a fucking sterile, like, just basic motherfucker, I'd be playing. (piano music) But I wanted to do it like ... (piano music) sloppy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Right.

   21. SSScott Storch1:21

       Like that perfect imperfection.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Right.

   23. SSScott Storch1:23

       Like, you want ... Sometimes you want a nice sloppy booty or a nice fucking ...

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       (laughs)

   25. SSScott Storch1:27

       You know what I'm saying? You don't want things always, like, perfect. Picture perfect.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Right. You like a little grit on your-

   27. SSScott Storch1:32

       I do.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       ... hardwood floor.

   29. SSScott Storch1:34

       Yeah. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Yeah. Yeah. No. I-
2. 1:38 – 4:20

   From self-taught piano kid to Philly: discovering hip-hop’s jazz-soul DNA

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:38

      How did you get started?

   2. SSScott Storch1:40

      Huh?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:40

      How did you get started making beats?

   4. SSScott Storch1:42

      Um-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:42

      Like what, what started you in music?

   6. SSScott Storch1:44

      What started me in music? Okay. Go all the way back?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:48

      All the way back.

   8. SSScott Storch1:49

      All the way back listening to, like, Ozzy Osbourne and Cheap Trick in the mirror with a tennis racket-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      (laughs)

   10. SSScott Storch1:57

       ... thinking, "Wow, I could probably get some girls to like me if I knew how to fucking play this shit." And then it... My parents had, like, this upright piano in the house. And it was a piece of furniture. And I had a cassette deck. You know, at that time, it was all about cassettes and I had the little baby cassette thing. I put it on the piano bench and figure out how to play all my favorite songs.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       Just, just self-taught?

   12. SSScott Storch2:22

       Yeah. And then I, you know, I ended up taking three or four lessons and the guy was like, "You should just teach yourself."

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       Really?

   14. SSScott Storch2:32

       Yeah, like ... And my family didn't ... We didn't have no money, like, and my mom to get to the piano lesson. All that shit was just ... I did my thing. And, like, it's at a point where my mom and dad were like, "Can you go outside and play with the kids? I'm tired of hearing this shit." I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no, no."

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       (laughs)

   16. SSScott Storch2:49

       And then that evolved into ... I moved with my father. My parents had divorced. My dad was a court reporter, stenographer. And we moved from ... I grew ... I was born in New York as an infant, moved to Florida, but when I was 15, just turning 15, I moved to Philly with my dad. And, um, I was really getting into music. I was experiencing, like, hip hop now in my head, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       What year was this?

   18. SSScott Storch3:19

       Ugh. I don't even know what year it was.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       How old are you now?

   20. SSScott Storch3:22

       I'm 50.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       Okay. Seven years different than me.

   22. SSScott Storch3:25

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       So, yeah. Okay.

   24. SSScott Storch3:26

       I'm real horrible with the years, but, um, talking early '90s.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       Yeah.

   26. SSScott Storch3:33

       Extremely early.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       At the beginning of, like, the big hip hop boom out of New York.

   28. SSScott Storch3:37

       Yeah. And when I first found a love for hip hop, it was this music that they were sampling all these, like, cool, like, Fender Rhodes sounds (piano music) like, uh, like say Tribe Called Quest. (piano music)

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Mm.

   30. SSScott Storch3:56

       That's not one of mine. But it was that, like, uh, Relax Yourself girl.
3. 4:20 – 7:20

   Couch-hopping at 15, joining The Roots, and building a sound with a busted Rhodes

   1. SSScott Storch4:20

      ... coming around. So I got into that and I couldn't really afford a keyboard. I'm living in Philly. My dad was like ... I was cutting school and going into the city from the burbs to, like, get in the music scene at this young age and it was like, "Yo. Go back to school and start that shit or get the fuck out." He was trying to do me a favor with tough love, but I decided to get the fuck out-

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:46

      (laughs)

   3. SSScott Storch4:47

      ... (laughs) at 15. And now, I'm like couch hopping at homies and that bo- uh, led to moving into the fucking hood in West Philly with this guy who was an aspiring manager that was a videographer that I met at my dad's court reporting firm. And kinda like halfway against my dad's will, he took me in and we started hitting the pavement, man, and I joined The Roots. It was ... They were called The Square Roots at that time. You know the band on Jimmy Fallon?

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      Mm. Sure, sure.

   5. SSScott Storch5:16

      Questlove, et cetera, et cetera. And, um, I didn't have much money and I bought what they call a Fender Rhodes. This is, like, big keyboard, which is ... They're very expensive now 'cause it's a vintage. But at that time, I could get that for, like, 200 bucks and I got the keyboard. Had a couple of broken notes on it and shit and I just made my sound with that and it was just, like, this soulful, um, this thing. You know what I mean? (laughs) And, um, joined The Roots and, uh, now I'm a band member, you know. At ... Simultaneously, I'm doing construction in Philly for a friend of mine who has, like, these, like, shell houses that I got live in one for a while and then I got my first place. I'm, like, living in this thing. He lived across the street in a kind of a nice one. This is, like, super horrible neighborhood, but he's got almost, like, the whole block and, like, there's a construction site on the first floor. I had to walk up and this was, like, semi-finished one-... no electricity, but he ran a cord across the street and a power strip for my electricity.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      (laughs)

   7. SSScott Storch6:22

      I ran everything on that one power strip. Like, I had a fucking, a space heater like this, 'cause it was freezing cold. I had, like, a keyboard set up, like, so I could do my thing. And that was just... I made my existence and-

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      Wow.

   9. SSScott Storch6:35

      If I had never made it, I was like, "Man, I'll just play at bar mitzvahs and weddings and fucking call it a day." But I'd rather do that than be a court reporter or some other shit, like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Right.

   11. SSScott Storch6:44

       And school wasn't for me. Couldn't focus on anything but the music.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       It always bums me out that there's so many people out there like that, that do have... They have intelligence and ability, but the system just wants them to plug into normal jobs. You don't realize, like, hey, there's other jobs out there. There's other things that you can do.

   13. SSScott Storch7:06

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       It's not conventional. The path's not clear. You know, you wanna get into music? You really fucking love music? Get, get into music.

   15. SSScott Storch7:15

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       Get into music. And nobody tells you that. (laughs) Nobody tells you.

   17. SSScott Storch7:18

       No. And they don't tell you, like...

4. 7:20 – 11:11

   Finding your niche: passion, talent, and "receiving satellite" in the studio

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:20

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   2. SSScott Storch9:10

      Find your niche within music.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      Yes.

   4. SSScott Storch9:12

      Maybe you can do the actual music, but you can become a promoter or you can become... There's so many different fields within music that you can do.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:20

      Right.

   6. SSScott Storch9:20

      If you're an expert. If you have no talent and you have no business being in music, at least be honest with yourself, 'cause we know if we're good or not. Like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:27

      Right.

   8. SSScott Storch9:27

      You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:28

      But what makes talent? What do you think it is?

   10. SSScott Storch9:30

       Passion, it's no talent.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       Passion.

   12. SSScott Storch9:32

       Yeah, if you're a passionate person and you love something so much, you're gonna end up being good at it, I think.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       It makes sense.

   14. SSScott Storch9:39

       If you're doing it to get money or something else, it's like, it's questionable, or you just wanna be cool because you like music. But if you're so passionate about this shit that you're showing results and you're growing and you're seeing that... When you watch people's reactions, I still do to this day. If I'm in the studio, I'm playing some shit. Like, I have this, like, weird thing where I start receiving satellite, and I'm like playing, and I don't even know what the hell I'm playing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       Receiving satellite?

   16. SSScott Storch10:03

       I swear to God.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       So, like, the muse.

   18. SSScott Storch10:04

       I'm not even there anymore. I'm just like, all of a sudden-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       Right.

   20. SSScott Storch10:07

       ... I'm just doing this thing I've been doing-

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah.

   22. SSScott Storch10:09

       ... for 30 years, and I watch the room. I'm like, "Oh, they like this one. Okay, let's use this." You know what I mean? That's how I know if I'm moving people. Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:17

       Receiving satellite is a great way to put it.

   24. SSScott Storch10:20

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       'Cause that's what it feel... Like, I always say that, like, there's sometimes I write things, I'm like, "I didn't really write that. That was..."

   26. SSScott Storch10:25

       You blacked out and it got written.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Some... Yeah, that's, that came from somewhere else. I didn't have any effort involved in this. It just came to me-

   28. SSScott Storch10:31

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       ... like a gift from the gods, like.

   30. SSScott Storch10:32

       Yeah, it's... You're receiving talent.
5. 11:11 – 19:47

   Health detour: inflammation, hydrogen water, CBD, diet, and the sea moss debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:11

      And it's the, the thing about it is, it's, it's so hard to control. It's just, it's... It comes, it goes, it's there, it's not. What's that water you're drinking? What is this crazy stuff?

   2. SSScott Storch11:22

      (laughs) 'Cause you know what?

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:23

      It's bag water.

   4. SSScott Storch11:24

      I'ma tell you what it is. I get, like, inflammation. Like, I'm playing piano or whatever-

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:30

      Mm-hmm.

   6. SSScott Storch11:30

      ... I sometimes get, like, a little bit like...

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:32

      Okay.

   8. SSScott Storch11:32

      And this is, like, hydrogen water.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Okay.

   10. SSScott Storch11:34

       And I, I fuck with it. A friend of mine, my boy Adam, like, he's like, "Listen, I think you should try my water." He's investing in all kinds of things and he's just... He's been my best, one of my best friends my whole life, this guy Adam Linder. Just fuck... Cool guy. I've been down and out and the fucking dude would take me in and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       Mm-hmm.

   12. SSScott Storch11:50

       You know, we're both meshuggeners but, you know, he has this fucking water and, um, him and, randomly enough, my boy who's a big songwriter, Poo Bear, they're giving a go at this water thing, so. But I like it. It's H-Factor Water, dude. And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:05

       Yeah, I've heard of that stuff.

   14. SSScott Storch12:06

       It's really good.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       So, when you say you're getting, uh, inflammation in your hands, like carpal tunnel type? Is that kind of like...

   16. SSScott Storch12:12

       Yeah, kinda like... Yeah, sometimes things-

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       Yeah.

   18. SSScott Storch12:13

       Like, sometimes if it's cold and my hands, it's like, freezing or something-

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       Mm-hmm.

   20. SSScott Storch12:16

       ... I can't really, like, go in and like...

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Do you ever use CBD?

   22. SSScott Storch12:19

       Huh?

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Do you ever use CBD or turmeric?

   24. SSScott Storch12:22

       ... I, yeah, turmeric, yeah, like, I do that ty- stuff. I do, like, the little shots, like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Yeah, you should do that all the time.

   26. SSScott Storch12:27

       ... the raw, raw ginger, the raw-

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       Yeah.

   28. SSScott Storch12:30

       Yeah. There's a place in LA that I like, uh, that th- they don't have it in Miami is, like, my fa- I'm, I'm real tight with R- I don't know if you know Rick Solomon.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       No.

   30. SSScott Storch12:37

       He owns this thing, Sunlife, and it's fucking ... They have great shit there. So I do that. Uh-
6. 19:47 – 24:43

   Leaving The Roots and betting on himself: early producer wins with Busta Rhymes and CNN

   1. SSScott Storch19:47

      So ... So, yeah, music, we started, like, talking about how my music career evolved.

   2. NANarrator19:53

      Pull up to that mic.

   3. SSScott Storch19:54

      Huh? So-

   4. NANarrator19:56

      Yeah.

   5. SSScott Storch19:56

      ... earlier we were talking about where did it start, and I went-

   6. NANarrator19:58

      Yeah.

   7. SSScott Storch19:58

      ... all the way back. So, now I'm hanging with this guy Richard, that my- ... You know, the videographer I was saying that my- ... that I met in my dad's office. He took me in. Started making a- an attempt to be- professionalize myself as a musician. Joined The Roots, we got a record deal. Um, and I- I loved it. You know, I was now, like, a very, like, lucky guy to be involved in something cool, but I- I was bringing something real major to the table within the group. And I just felt like after a while, I wasn't appreciated, and that I was just gonna be remembered as the guy who played keys for The Roots. Like ... And I wanted more than that. I left the group for a multitude of reasons. Some I usually don't talk about, but, like, I- ... You know, boo-hoo, I felt some reverse racism. I know that people have dealt with shit, like fucked up shit, and ... But I was just, like, kinda mortified one time on the stage, and I just remember I'm performing with The Roots at, uh, in New York this event called the Black Lily, and playing the keyboards, backing everybody up, and this and that, and somebody was rapping, da-da-da-da-da-da. They point at me, "The white devil." Something, and I was just like, "Uh, what the fuck is happening here?" Like, I- I'm the most-

   8. NANarrator21:21

      Were they serious?

   9. SSScott Storch21:21

      ... I'm the most loving-

   10. NANarrator21:22

       Or were they joking about it?

   11. SSScott Storch21:23

       No, no, it was fucked up shit, bro.

   12. NANarrator21:25

       Damn.

   13. SSScott Storch21:25

       And it really hurt me, because I'm like ... I don't see color. I don't see any of that shit. I'm the most, like, just coolest motherfucker in that aspect. Like, it's ... To me, racism bothers me. But it was like, you know, my- my family now were not representing for me, and that- that ... to let that happen, and it just combined with-

   14. NANarrator21:42

       So, someone on the stage said that?

   15. SSScott Storch21:44

       Yes, one of the rappers. I'm not gonna say names, but just-

   16. NANarrator21:47

       Goddamn.

   17. SSScott Storch21:47

       ... I- it- shit was just, like, "How is this happening right now?"

   18. NANarrator21:50

       Goddam.

   19. SSScott Storch21:50

       And, you know, I felt like all the credit, uh, for all the, like, big melodies and stuff that I was creating for the group was just being swept under the rug, and, like, I said, "I gotta leave this group." And I'm dating this girl at the time who was, like, urging me not to. She was saying, "You're gonna be the Pete Best of The Roots."

   20. NANarrator22:13

       Mm.

   21. SSScott Storch22:13

       You know who Pete Best is?

   22. NANarrator22:15

       Yeah, The Beatle.

   23. SSScott Storch22:16

       He left The Beatles, yeah.

   24. NANarrator22:17

       Yeah.

   25. SSScott Storch22:18

       So, she was like, "You're gonna be the Pete Best of The Roots." I was like, "That's cool." She actually dumped me. (laughs)

   26. NANarrator22:23

       (laughs)

   27. SSScott Storch22:24

       And, uh, and I- I- I, um, continued on my journey attempting to be a music producer and not join bands. And I met this guy through the whole process of being in The Roots. His name was Derrick Jaxson. And he and I ... He embraced me and said, you know, "You're so talented." Like, "Let's give it a go." And we would take these trips from Philly to New York and just go to every A&R, every fucking, uh, label, trying ... People that ... Contacts that this guy Derrick had in New York. He was from New York. Um, you know, like, he would just use them, and then the first week we were doing that, we got a couple bites. And one was ... My first client was Busta Rhymes.

   28. NANarrator23:08

       Wow.

   29. SSScott Storch23:08

       Who was ... I'll never forget it. Busta, like, believed in me. He's like, "All right." And I went to the studio and we made a record. One shot, one kill, baby. That's how it is. Like, you get one shot, you know? It's not like ... And we made Blowed Out, which was, uh, on his album, Anarchy. Um, and, uh, we also got that same week, maybe three days later, Capone-N-Noreaga and, uh, C.N.N., the album. You know, Nore's got his, like, his, like, you know ... His whole world is podcasts now, so he's proud of that guy. Great guy. But, yeah, they believed in me. And the day I went in, I'll never forget it, Capone, who was partner, was coming home from jail that day. And the theme of the day was I guess he got him some girls and, like, like, on the way to the studio to come work, and now he's, like ... All day, he kept saying, "It's nothing. It's nothing to come home from jail with these girls in your limousine and come work with me and Scotty," and this and that. It was, it was just amazing day. We made music. We made, like, three. And then I was off to the races, man. I was making music.

   30. NANarrator24:14

       Wow.
7. 24:43 – 29:17

   The Dr. Dre break: first LA trip, earning trust, meeting Eminem, and joining the camp

   1. SSScott Storch24:43

      ... but I, I held in there. And then, um, I always... Uh, a lot of people say this, but I'm like a fucking very harmonious person. I always do good for everybody. I never like... I'm- I- I'm, you can accuse me of being a lot of things, but being an asshole, I'm not. So when I was in, uh... My first trip to LA, all right, I went to LA to perform and I did this, this, uh, open mic at the Martini Lounge. It was my first time ever going to California and it was like, it was a Roots event. I wasn't in a group anymore, but like, whatever I had to do, I was gonna make a few 100 bucks to go play background on this, on this thing. It wasn't the Roots. It was like an open mic with peop- random people coming and this and that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:28

      Okay.

   3. SSScott Storch25:29

      So I did this thing and who do I see come up to me but a chick I knew from Philly and she was like, "Storch, what up, what up." She's like, "You're not gonna believe this but I signed a record deal with Dr. Dre and Aftermath." And I was like, "Wow, that's crazy." So she- she's like, "I'm gonna hook you up with Dre. You were always fucking good to me in Philly and you never tried to smash. You let me go in the studio and we did cool stuff together." And like it was a platonic thing, like if... She was my homegirl.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:00

      Okay.

   5. SSScott Storch26:00

      And, um, sure enough I go and I meet up with Dre. I'm waiting for him to come out. I's- I'm in the lobby like nervous as hell. I don't have anything to play for him. I have my fingers, that's about it. And, uh, I go into a room and he sits me down. He's like, "I heard you're good at them keys." I start playing for him and this and that. He's real quiet and just like listening. I'm like, "Ah, he need... Nothing's coming from this."

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      (laughs)

   7. SSScott Storch26:29

      "I'm gonna, I'm gonna go home sad today." He leaves the room. I'm still sitting in there. I'm like, "I don't know if I should be just leaving or I'm supposed to stay in here." And this dude, Larry Chapman, his like, one of his like head dudes comes back in and says, "Dre wants you to stay here for a long time. He's gonna, he's gonna get you a hotel and here's some money." It was like, "Vroom." It was like, "Really? Okay." (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:54

      (laughs) Dre wants you to stay here for a long time.

   9. SSScott Storch26:56

      Yeah, he was just like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:57

       (laughs)

   11. SSScott Storch26:57

       He's like, "Let me know if... Dre wants you here, man." Like, "You can stay." 'Cause I was-

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:00

       Wow.

   13. SSScott Storch27:00

       ... I was gonna get on a plane back to Philly that night.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       Hmm.

   15. SSScott Storch27:03

       And I remember I went back to the hotel, I got more of my shit and now I'm being switched to like a fancy hotel. And I'm like chilling and I got some money. I went and rented a fucking 5 Series BMW-

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       (laughs)

   17. SSScott Storch27:16

       ... and I was like, "Wow, I am in LA for the first time."

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       (laughs)

   19. SSScott Storch27:20

       "I have money. I just met Dre. I'm about to make a fucking album with Dr. Dre."

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       Wow.

   21. SSScott Storch27:24

       The next day I go, I go to the studio, I meet up with Dre and he's telling me all kinds of cool shit, man. Like he accepted me into his world, like it was like such a... It was surreal, bro. I- I- I-

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       It's a movie scene.

   23. SSScott Storch27:38

       It was surreal. And like I got this-

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:39

       Dre wants you to stay for a long time. (laughs)

   25. SSScott Storch27:42

       I got, I got this, I got this, uh... He's telling me, "I got this rapper that, uh, is really talented. I believe in him, da-da-da-da-da. He's a white boy," and this and that, and in walks Eminem-

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:52

       Wow.

   27. SSScott Storch27:52

       ... and like he let me finish up some record that he was doing with him. It was like one of Em's first releases, that Just the Two of Us. You know what I'm talking about?

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       Mm-hmm.

   29. SSScott Storch28:01

       And I played a little keys on that, a little bit of... The next day, me and Dre went in to work on his project and we made Big Ego's, which made it to the... That's like that one shot, one kill thing. Like that first day worked out, it led to me being along Dre's, you know, side and in his, his, uh, camp for a very long time.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:22

       But there's just a handful of dudes like you out there in the world that I call like a musical magician. You know, there's- there's people that people call upon, you know, like, "You gotta get Storch." Like-
8. 29:17 – 34:28

   Nashville vibes, Kid Rock stories, and a pivot into Mar-a-Lago & culture talk

   1. SSScott Storch29:17

      They... Look, not to jump around too much but working with them is the first time like I feel like I did anything good. I can't explain it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:26

      In what way?

   3. SSScott Storch29:26

      I have all these hits like the Candy Shop-

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:28

      Right.

   5. SSScott Storch29:29

      ... this, that, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:29

      Yeah.

   7. SSScott Storch29:30

      ... Beyonce, every single thing. I feel like the first time I had really got into it on some real, m- touch the culture real shit. Not what's people, like trap music and dumb shit like that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:44

      Yeah.

   9. SSScott Storch29:44

      Like this is like the real as it gets and I got to use these vintage keyboards. I'm playing shit with a wah-wah pedal on a keyboard and like going crazy and like if you look at my Instagram sometime you'll see some of the shit that like I'm doing like in their studio.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       I do. I watch it all the time.

   11. SSScott Storch29:59

       Their studio is insane, man. Like, and those toys, like I was really tapping in.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:04

       Really?

   13. SSScott Storch30:04

       Yeah, yeah. It was so much fun, but I-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:07

       I just love those two guys. They're just... And they're so fucking talented, man. We saw them out here at Stubs.

   15. SSScott Storch30:13

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       Fuck, it was so fun, man.

   17. SSScott Storch30:16

       Yeah, man. And something about Nashville is a great place to make music, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       That... Well, think about how much great music has come out of there-

   19. SSScott Storch30:23

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       ... and then the memory of that shit is burned into the city.

   21. SSScott Storch30:25

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       I- I believe in that. I believe that places have memory.

   23. SSScott Storch30:28

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       You know, I really do.

   25. SSScott Storch30:30

       Yeah, you feel it. You, uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       I think there's a, there's an element-... I mean, it's not everything about a place, but I think places have memory, you know?

   27. SSScott Storch30:39

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       I, I think that a place like Nashville, I mean ... And also, it's small enough, 'cause it's, 'cause it's kind of a tight community. Everybody kinda knows everybody.

   29. SSScott Storch30:47

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       There's so many musicians there.
9. 34:28 – 52:48

   Money, ego, and collapse: $100M lifestyle, car collections, Miami temptations, and moving for balance

   1. SSScott Storch34:28

      Lately, I've just been changing my whole fashion ways. Like, a friend of mine said something, um, he's like, "Even though I have s- ... nice things," he's like, "You don't need a Ferrari. Be the Ferrari."

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:42

      Ooh.

   3. SSScott Storch34:43

      When you walk in a room, there's a fucking-

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:44

      Ooh.

   5. SSScott Storch34:44

      You're on South Beach, and all these fucking guys that barely have a pot to piss in are getting out of the Lambo and the fucking, uh, valet, and they're iced out and shit. Like, I'm the king of that shit. I was filthy rich and did all that shit, and I might as well have just landed a fucking spaceship on top of the club. Like, I was doing everything. But lately, I just ... It turns me off. I look at myself, and I look like a ... I feel like a poser.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:08

      Hmm.

   7. SSScott Storch35:08

      Like, I feel like the richest guy in the room's wearing a fucking, a fucking, uh, a bare-bones, no-diamonds-type shit. Like, I'm just-

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:15

      Well, look at Elon Musk.

   9. SSScott Storch35:17

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       Dude wears Occupy Mars T-shirts.

   11. SSScott Storch35:19

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       Doesn't even have a watch.

   13. SSScott Storch35:21

       Yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       You know? He's just-

   15. SSScott Storch35:22

       So that's the theory.

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:23

       ... just hanging.

   17. SSScott Storch35:23

       That's where I'm at.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       You don't ... I think what happens is in the beginning you want everybody to know you're doing well, so you have all your stuff on.

   19. SSScott Storch35:30

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       You, you dress real nice. You know? You're like, "Wow, Scott looks good."

   21. SSScott Storch35:33

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       "You look sharp." But then, when you're undeniable, you reach a point in your life where you, you're just like, "What am I ... Who am I doing this for?"

   23. SSScott Storch35:40

       Yeah, well-

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       "This is stupid."

   25. SSScott Storch35:41

       ... if you're like me and you have a point in your life where you had $100 million and you were trying to impress everybody and you fucking didn't have any respect for buddy ... Like, my financial manager walked away from me back in the day. He said, "You're unmanageable."

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:54

       Why? What, you were going crazy?

   27. SSScott Storch35:55

       I was going ... I was spending so much money.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:57

       But look, you're still here. Yay!

   29. SSScott Storch35:58

       I had fun. I had tons of fun.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:59

       Bitch had a good time. Bitch had a good time.
10. 52:48 – 1:00:32

    Celebrity nightlife to cocaine spiral: Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, and losing the plot

    1. SSScott Storch52:48

       ... incredible music, Earth, Wind and Fires, and this, that. Like, I just... That's where it all comes from. So, I base my music on the past 50 years of music, 100 years of music. And, um, I was doing good. I smoked pounds of weed, made my music, lived a very healthy life, and became very rich. And I was in a bubble for so long that one day (laughs) I'm living in a house that, uh, um, Ivanka Trump recently just bought.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:19

       (laughs)

    3. SSScott Storch53:19

       It was my house on Indian Creek Island.

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:21

       (laughs)

    5. SSScott Storch53:22

       Okay? Which I owned outright. I l-... Bought the fucking house for cash from the, um, widow of the founder of Southern Wine & Spirits. And I bought this house. It was fucking massive topiary gardens and incredible thing. I was living a healthy life. And I wasn't, in my mind, like, cool, but I was, like, happy. I was cool. That was as cool as it gets 'cause I was balanced and healthy and doing what I love to do. But I felt like I was yearning for some- something bad or... I don't know what I was yearning for, but this girl ended up showing up at my doorstep, a very famous girl. (clears throat) And, look, I'm just... I'm not playing the ga- like, blame game or anything, but it just... A course of events happened. Paris Hilton shows up at my door initially to work on music, and we ended up connecting and I learned this whole new way of life, like with paparazzis and being, like, next to her. And then, (coughs) excuse me, inevitably hooking up with her and we're now an item and shit and we're, you know, kinda like... We're having tons of fun. We're good friends, but I think we're both using each other in a certain way, like, where I'm, like, uh, like, so excited to be next to this girl who's, like, the coolest, most famous girl in the world. She's, like, my girl. And, like, she's next to a few... Her passion was, at that time, music. And she was, like, next to me, who... I'm the number one music producer in the world at the time. And, um, it went on and then inevitably the nightlife led to fucking-... cocaine and that.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:07

       (singing)

    7. NANarrator55:07

       (laughs)

    8. SSScott Storch55:08

       << She don't lie, she don't lie >>

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:11

       (singing)

    10. SSScott Storch55:11

        First year, year and a half, going here on planes and Saint-Tropez and St. Barts, and the flyest shit you could do, and flyest, the best fucking coke and all- all that shit, just having a blast. And then it just goes bad, and then it's just like, uh, you have relation job. You've seen the movie Blow, and the-

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:33

        Oh, yeah.

    12. SSScott Storch55:33

        ... you've seen how hot, uh, Penélope Cruz and-

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:35

        Oh, yeah.

    14. SSScott Storch55:36

        ... and- and dude were like in the beginning, and they were-

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:38

        Oh, yeah.

    16. SSScott Storch55:38

        ... like into each other. Then it just goes...

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        Of course.

    18. SSScott Storch55:41

        All... Like, there's no happy ending.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:43

        Your foundation gets rotted out under you.

    20. SSScott Storch55:45

        Yeah, and like, my A-list life was like, you know, was born there, and like I was now like in that situation. And then I ended up with Kim Kardashian, and all these different things, and like she wasn't even famous at that point. But like, you know, she's cool, man. She's always been a great person, and like, plus the-

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:06

        I gained a lot of respect for her when she started working for criminal and prison reform.

    22. SSScott Storch56:10

        Yeah, that's some-

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:11

        And-

    24. SSScott Storch56:11

        It just shows like she's-

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:12

        Yeah.

    26. SSScott Storch56:12

        That's- that's from the heart, too. She's like-

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:13

        Advocacy for people that are wrongfully accused.

    28. NANarrator56:16

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:16

        Yeah, man. She's done a lot of good things. She's- that lady's gotten a lot of people out of jail.

    30. SSScott Storch56:20

        Yeah. Uh, I- I- I, look, as long as I've known Kim, she's never been anything but just a super sweet person. And like-
11. 1:00:32 – 1:07:42

    DMX, rehab efforts, and the reality of addiction’s comedown

    1. SSScott Storch1:00:32

       And that shit was the funniest shit. In my house, living with me, at that time, was one of my favorite people, and, um, I knew he was upstairs, like, sleeping or whatever, my good friend DMX, God rest his soul. And, um, Pamela was showing up, and I was like, "Yo, Epps, yo, Epps, check this out." I was all geeked out and like so, uh, thinking it's so funny that I got Pamela coming to my house at 10:00 in the morning.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       (laughs)

    3. SSScott Storch1:00:59

       And he comes over the, the, um, the railing of my house, and he's like, looks over, he's like-... Baywatch." And then he just walked back away. (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       (laughs)

    5. SSScott Storch1:01:07

       Walked back in the fucking thing, okay? X was like-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Yeah.

    7. SSScott Storch1:01:12

       X was living with me, man. And like, it was like the blind leading the blind. I'm a coke addict-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       Yeah.

    9. SSScott Storch1:01:17

       ... and he was a crack addict, and I'm like trying to help him. I'm like, "Man, you really need to get clean, man."

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

        (laughs)

    11. SSScott Storch1:01:23

        Like, like, "What the fuck is real?"

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

        (laughs)

    13. SSScott Storch1:01:27

        Yeah. So I'm like, "Yo, you need to go to rehab." I'm like... Um, so I, I get him. I convince him, like, to avoid, like, a, a jail sentencing for something, a charge that he had, whatever. He went to rehab and, like, was getting his shit together, the, the place that I had gone that didn't really work (laughs) for me. But I had him there. I really did care about him. I wanted him off that shit. Like, whatever that was, like, a worse evil or a faster suicide than I was even on. And, um, he ran out of the place, and I got a call from him. The place was directly across the street from the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida, and he's like, calls me. He's like, "Yo, what's up?" I'm like, "How are you calling me? You don't have phone privileges like that." And this guy-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

        (laughs)

    15. SSScott Storch1:02:08

        ... he's like, "I'm across the street from the rehab at the Hard Rock with one of the nurses." He... And like-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

        (laughs)

    17. SSScott Storch1:02:14

        I'm like, "Oh, my... Are you fucking kidding me?" I was like, "Yo, X-"

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

        (laughs)

    19. SSScott Storch1:02:20

        "... cover yourself up. Come back to my house. I'm gonna talk to these people, we'll let you back in." And they wouldn't let him back in. It was a real tough motherfucker that owned this place, and he ended up, 'cause it was court ordered, he had to go away.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

        Ah.

    21. SSScott Storch1:02:32

        I'm at the Montreon one morning a couple days later, and my security's like, "Yo, Doug, there's 50 federal agents here." Woo, woo, woo. Like, crazy shit, bro. It was like... I couldn't believe it. I felt horrible.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

        Wow.

    23. SSScott Storch1:02:46

        And then you flash forward to not so long ago, I was heavily involved in a rehab center in, um, in California, in Studio City, where we used cannabis for healing. And it came to my attention that he was on his last legs. X was in bad shape. So, um, I was able to make a meeting happen. My, uh, partner, Steve LaBelle. I don't know if you know who Steve LaBelle is, um, managed Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and all these people, like real legend. Um, we were partners on this place. And, uh, we had X come in. He had emphysema. He was one rock away from death, like, you know, that kinda thing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

        Yeah.

    25. SSScott Storch1:03:32

        So we convinced him. We put him on a private plane to Washington to do a detox. He went, he went through the whole detox, and his plan was to leave the detox and come to our facility, inpatient, and do rehab. He never made it back on the plane to head back, and we never saw him again.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:55

        Uh.

    27. SSScott Storch1:03:55

        And like, that was me trying to save a man's life that I really loved, man. He was, like, such a special guy, but like-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:02

        Such a special performer.

    29. SSScott Storch1:04:04

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:04

        Man, there's, there's some-
12. 1:07:42 – 1:11:44

    Biopic plans, media distortion, and rebuilding through new music and new artists

    1. SSScott Storch1:07:42

       I, um, I, I'm, I, I'm... I met this guy, Post Malone, who's part of his business team, like him and Dre London, this guy Austin Rosen. Austin Rosen's a fucking awesome dude. Like, he owns, uh, Electric Feel Entertainment. Post, all these guys, Lou Bell, they're all part of, like, some of the most talented, and, like, just one of the coolest things going on in music are these guys. So, I wanted to make a life story, like, biopic how it's gonna do something... Ah, one idea I was gonna do, and then he was like, Austin says, "Dude, I want you to go meet this guy. His name's Charles Roven. He owns Atlas Entertainment." I don't know if you're familiar with Atlas? But they made, like... It's a... Pff... One of the biggest movie producers in the history of movies. He did, like, Suicide Squad, that whole series. The Dark Knight, um, Oppenheimer. Like, some of the craziest movies. The list just goes on. I'm like, "Oh, shit, this guy makes blockbusters. Is he gonna make my movie?" He was like, he's like, "Listen, just go meet him. See what happens." I meet the guy, and I go in his office. I'm, like, so nervous. He, he says to me, "I don't like you very much."

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:09:04

       (laughs)

    3. SSScott Storch1:09:04

       (laughs) "Especially from what I read. But if I like you by the end of this meeting, I think we'll make a movie."

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

       What does that mean, "I don't like you very much, especially from what I read"?

    5. SSScott Storch1:09:13

       (laughs) Because, like, you know-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:09:14

       What did he read?

    7. SSScott Storch1:09:15

       ... there's some fucked up shit. Like, you know, like...

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:17

       Oh, tabloid-type shit?

    9. SSScott Storch1:09:18

       Yeah, but a lot of it's bullshit. Like-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:19

        Of course it is.

    11. SSScott Storch1:09:20

        ... they made me look a certain way. But meanwhile, me and him ended up really seeing eye to eye, and I was able to articulate why a lot of these things happened. There was one interview (coughs) I missed, because I wasn't even told about it. And apparently, it was rescheduled three times. (alarm goes off) And then, I was told about it, and I unfortunately had to reschedule it. Guy wrote the most horrible story about me. It was the cover of a magazine, and it was me covered with blood all over my face, and just making me just look like fucking Hitler. And, um, you know, it couldn't be any further from the truth. Like, I... Yeah, I made big mistakes. But I did it... I was the nicest person, giving per-... I would give the shirt off my back. Any person that ever stopped me in the streets to, like, get a picture, like, I'm f- gonna ask 'em how their day was. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm that guy.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:10:12

        Yeah.

    13. SSScott Storch1:10:13

        I'm very, very thorough and very consistent with all of it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:10:16

        Well, that doesn't sell.

    15. SSScott Storch1:10:17

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:10:17

        What sells is you're the worst piece of shit of all time.

    17. SSScott Storch1:10:20

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:20

        Oh my God, let me read about this-

    19. SSScott Storch1:10:21

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:10:21

        ... piece of shit.

    21. SSScott Storch1:10:22

        So-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:22

        And that's, that's a horrible thing-

    23. SSScott Storch1:10:23

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:24

        ... that journalists do for money.

    25. SSScott Storch1:10:26

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

        They make these pieces where they completely distort a person's essence, and they only do it for money.

    27. SSScott Storch1:10:32

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:10:32

        They, they're just, like, emotional hit people.

    29. SSScott Storch1:10:34

        Let's not talk about everything I've... Left my footprint in the fucking world. But any rate.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:10:39

        Yeah, right, let's just talk about negative things-

Episode duration: 2:00:23