Joe Rogan Experience #2234 - Marc Andreessen

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   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. MAMarc Andreessen0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) All right. Hello, Mark.

   4. MAMarc Andreessen0:13

      Hello.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Good to see you.

   6. MAMarc Andreessen0:14

      (laughs) Thanks for having me back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      My pleasure. Good to see you. Well, the world's still, uh, functional.

   8. MAMarc Andreessen0:19

      It's amazing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Yeah, amazing. Um, we, we wanted to talk, you wanted to talk about the post-election, sort of a wrap-up-

   10. MAMarc Andreessen0:25

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       ... and sort of where we stand. Are you happy?

   12. MAMarc Andreessen0:28

       Very happy. It is-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It was a weird one.

   14. MAMarc Andreessen0:31

       ... morning in America.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       That was, uh, one of the first times ever I felt hopeful-

   16. MAMarc Andreessen0:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... after an election. Like, you should've seen the green room at the comedy club.

   18. MAMarc Andreessen0:37

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Everybody was like, "Yes."

   20. MAMarc Andreessen0:39

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Whew.

   22. MAMarc Andreessen0:40

       So, my theory is the timeline, l- like in a science fiction movie, the timeline has split twice-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Ah.

   24. MAMarc Andreessen0:45

       ... in the last, in the last, like, nine months.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       What was the first split?

   26. MAMarc Andreessen0:48

       It was when Trump got shot.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Oh. Yeah.

   28. MAMarc Andreessen0:51

       And th- and there was that moment where the world was gonna head in two totally different directions.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Right. If he got hit ...

   30. MAMarc Andreessen0:56

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      was a weird one too, because a lot of people thought Beyoncé was gonna do a concert.

   2. MAMarc Andreessen15:03

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      And she just went out there and talked and everybody was like, "What the fuck?"

   4. MAMarc Andreessen15:06

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      'Cause they all came to see a free Beyoncé concert-

   6. MAMarc Andreessen15:08

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      ... and then she just said, "I wanna support Kamala Harris," and everybody's like, "Good, good." Now, if you like it, then you should've put a ring on it, right?

   8. MAMarc Andreessen15:17

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Uh, uh, oh. Oh, come on. (laughs)

   10. MAMarc Andreessen15:19

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       We love your songs.

   12. MAMarc Andreessen15:20

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       That's what we're here for.

   14. MAMarc Andreessen15:22

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       I just didn't think that it was even possible that a ... I, I didn't think a candidate would ever pay for an endorsement.

   16. MAMarc Andreessen15:31

       Yeah. Oh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       I mean, the fact that it was-

   18. MAMarc Andreessen15:32

       ... yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       ... even alleged.

   20. MAMarc Andreessen15:34

       Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, and then there's, of course, there's, there's the, the even stinkier version arguably, which is all the d- all the social media influencer campaigns now. There's, you know, a tremendous amount of payola.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That's for sure.

   22. MAMarc Andreessen15:42

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       'Cause I know people personally who were approached multiple times-

   24. MAMarc Andreessen15:46

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       ... and offered a substantial amount of money to post things-

   26. MAMarc Andreessen15:50

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       ... in support of Harris.

   28. MAMarc Andreessen15:51

       Yeah. And like, I'm, I'm pro capitalism and I'm happy for them-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Yeah.

   30. MAMarc Andreessen15:54

       ... that they get paid, but like, maybe we should know. Like-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Wow. …

   1. MAMarc Andreessen30:00

      presumptively, and killed. And so there was no way to survive without being part of your community.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Wow.

   3. MAMarc Andreessen30:04

      Um, and I, and I, that's what the wokes figured out is you can do the same thing. If you're able to like, you know, nail somebody, um, on, you know, on, on charges of having done something, you know, unacceptably horrible, then you make them toxic and all of a sudden they can't, you know, they can't have ... I'm sure you know people who, you know, they lose friends, they lose family-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Yes.

   5. MAMarc Andreessen30:17

      They, they lose ... they can't get work. You know, before you know it, like they're, you know, living, you know, severely diminished, damaged lives. Some people then go on to kill themselves.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      I don't know if you've been paying attention at all to Blue Sky-

   7. MAMarc Andreessen30:28

      I have.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      But I have multiple friends that have accounts on Blue Sky that, uh, are very sophisticated trolls-

   9. MAMarc Andreessen30:37

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       And are pushing like the woke agenda to a satirical point.

   11. MAMarc Andreessen30:43

       There we go.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Like to ... or like parody.

   13. MAMarc Andreessen30:45

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       But on the edge where you're not quite sure.

   15. MAMarc Andreessen30:48

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Or they'll say enough real things that make sense and talk about their own anxieties and personal issues with stuff and then say fucking ridiculous shit and it's fascinating.

   17. MAMarc Andreessen30:58

       I bet it works.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       It does work.

   19. MAMarc Andreessen31:00

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       That's what's so terrifying.

   21. MAMarc Andreessen31:01

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       It's like all the outcasts of Twitter-

   23. MAMarc Andreessen31:03

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       All the people that were like, "I can't take this." A few of them come back, which is wonderful. I love when they come back. "I'm gone. I'm gonna go to Blue Sky. Fuck you people." Like a bunch of them went to Threads for a while, like Stephen King, he went to Threads, came right back. They all come right back. They can't ... The marketplace of ideas, like, okay, you could go to like a fruit stand in the middle of the fucking desert and that's a marketplace or you can go to the farmer's market where everybody's there.

   25. MAMarc Andreessen31:28

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Like where are you gonna go?

   27. MAMarc Andreessen31:29

       That's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       You're gonna go to the farmer's market.

   29. MAMarc Andreessen31:30

       That's right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       There's tons of people-
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   You should know, yeah.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      that.

   2. MAMarc Andreessen45:00

      You should know, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      And you should probably not reprimand someone for reading a book on this.

   4. MAMarc Andreessen45:03

      Yeah. That's right. Yeah, exactly. And look, the German people went along with it, right? And so, like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      Yes.

   6. MAMarc Andreessen45:06

      ... how, you know, how did that happen?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      How did that happen?

   8. MAMarc Andreessen45:08

      Right. And how many, you know, did they, was there active agreement, was there passive agreement?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Right.

   10. MAMarc Andreessen45:11

       Was there, you know, what, what...

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:13

       What are the steps-

   12. MAMarc Andreessen45:14

       Yeah. Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:14

       ... where things go horribly wrong?

   14. MAMarc Andreessen45:15

       Yeah. No, that's right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       And how can we recognize those? Because those steps have taken place multiple times in history-

   16. MAMarc Andreessen45:20

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       ... recorded history.

   18. MAMarc Andreessen45:21

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       We know about them.

   20. MAMarc Andreessen45:22

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       So, like, if we see them happening today, maybe we should stop it and nip it at the bud.

   22. MAMarc Andreessen45:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       What better way than to read about when it already happened?

   24. MAMarc Andreessen45:29

       Yeah. One of, one of my observations about, uh, people talking about current events is i- uh, we know conclusively the prior eras all had horr- horrible moral problems, disasters, you know, catastrophes, wars, and all kinds... they made all kinds of horrible mistakes. But we are completely certain that in our time we figured it all out.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Right.

   26. MAMarc Andreessen45:44

       Right? We're 100% convinced that we have it all dialed in. And the one thing I know for sure is people 50 years from now are gonna look back on this and they're gonna say, "Oh my God, those people were awful."

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       100%.

   28. MAMarc Andreessen45:52

       Right. It just, it's, but like, in what way?

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Right. In what way are we horrible?

   30. MAMarc Andreessen45:57

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:01:26

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   2. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      But, uh, the poor lady. I mean, she... But she was being very arrogant and she laughed and mocked this man and said, uh, "You do realize you wasted your vote, right?" (laughs)

   4. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:09

      Oh. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      And she laugh-... Which makes her hard to feel sorry for.

   6. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:13

      That's right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      It's like you were, you were ready to mock this man.

   8. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:16

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      But in her eyes, it was all about reproductive freedom.

   10. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:20

       Yep.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       And she thought that that was under attack under the Trump administration, and that women were gonna stand up and they're gonna stop that. Because in her echo chamber, that was the case.

   12. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:29

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Everybody was universally, uh, they all agreed, were universally on board with this idea that Trump is evil and we gotta get rid of him and women are gonna vote and this is gonna be fun.

   14. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:37

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       But, like, who you hanging out with, lady?

   16. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:39

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       You know? You could hang out with a bunch of people that think baseball's awesome-

   18. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:42

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       ... and then, you know, you run into someone from another country and like, "What the fuck is baseball?"

   20. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:46

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Like, you gotta realize, there's a lot of people out there.

   22. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:48

       Yeah. And people really don't like being talked down to.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       They really don't.

   24. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:51

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       And they don't like you mocking the fact that-

   26. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:53

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       First of all, nobody wasted their vote.

   28. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:55

       Right. Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       Like, that's not how it goes.

   30. MAMarc Andreessen1:00:57

       Right.

Episode duration: 3:08:45