Joe Rogan Experience #2238 - John McPhee

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Good to see you, brother.

   3. JMJohn McPhee0:12

      Yeah, how are you, man?

   4. NANarrator0:13

      Great, great. It was nice meet you at, uh, F1. And, uh-

   5. JMJohn McPhee0:16

      Yeah.

   6. NANarrator0:16

      ... I really loved your episode with Sean Ryan. I fucking love that dude.

   7. JMJohn McPhee0:19

      Thanks, man. Yeah, Sean is-

   8. NANarrator0:21

      He's the man.

   9. JMJohn McPhee0:22

      ... he's awesome. I love Sean.

   10. NANarrator0:23

       I'm so glad there's guys like him doing this, that there's, there's more people like him that are, like, finding new ways to, like, you know ... Media's, it's so wide open now.

   11. JMJohn McPhee0:35

       Yeah.

   12. NANarrator0:35

       And it's not, you don't have to get hired by a television station anymore. You could just start your own shit. And Sean's show is fucking great.

   13. JMJohn McPhee0:42

       Yeah, he's great. Sean's ... I love him as a person, so.

   14. NANarrator0:44

       Yeah, I love him too. He's great. He's an awesome dude. And I loved you on that show, but God damn, man, that show was crazy. Like, your childhood was so nuts, dude.

   15. JMJohn McPhee0:53

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator0:53

       Hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old.

   17. JMJohn McPhee0:56

       Yeah, me and my brother. (laughs)

   18. NANarrator0:57

       Fuck, dude. Your whole story was so nuts, man. I was listening to it in the sauna this morning, and I was like, "Oh my God." So I'm there cooking at-

   19. JMJohn McPhee1:06

       (laughs) Yeah.

   20. NANarrator1:06

       ... 195 degrees listening to you struggle.

   21. JMJohn McPhee1:08

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. NANarrator1:09

       (laughs) I was in there for half an hour.

   23. JMJohn McPhee1:11

       Yeah.

   24. NANarrator1:11

       Which, I usually do 20 minutes-

   25. JMJohn McPhee1:12

       Yeah.

   26. NANarrator1:12

       ... but I kept going. I'm like, his, his life was so fucked up, I feel like I shouldn't bail right now. I should keep listening.

   27. JMJohn McPhee1:18

       I f- I feel like, like, um, but I'm not the only one. You know what I mean?

   28. NANarrator1:21

       No.

   29. JMJohn McPhee1:21

       I f- I feel like where I was in the army is full of guys just like that.

   30. NANarrator1:25

       100%
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. Which is all…

   1. JMJohn McPhee15:00

      fighting, you know? I think the- the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student was, like, uh, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know, two-man cuffing procedures, searching, and then, like, how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the ground, right? But-

   2. NANarrator15:20

      Right. Which is all stuff you have to know.

   3. JMJohn McPhee15:21

      Right.

   4. NANarrator15:22

      But there wasn't a lot of, like, just-

   5. JMJohn McPhee15:24

      No.

   6. NANarrator15:24

      ... one-on-one.

   7. JMJohn McPhee15:25

      No. No. It's like, you know, you're in the- (laughs) you're in the gym, they roll out the wrestling mat, and it's like, "Okay, come at the guy, like, with your rifle, ah."

   8. NANarrator15:35

      Ah.

   9. JMJohn McPhee15:35

      You know- you know, a bunch of fucking white belts basically, like, out there fucking around basically.

   10. NANarrator15:39

       W- did- does it- wasn't, like, uh, there- was there a system, like, a training system?

   11. JMJohn McPhee15:44

       Yeah.

   12. NANarrator15:44

       Was there like a- a-

   13. JMJohn McPhee15:44

       Yeah. There was a- there was a system back then, and the system was really, um, I c- I think kind of four things without, uh, really knowing what they did back then. I went through the training, but I don't really know what the hand-to-hand was back then until later when I was, like, in the hand-to-hand program or fighting with guys, you know what I mean?

   14. NANarrator16:05

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JMJohn McPhee16:05

       But, um, I would say this. Back then, I'd say it was wrestling, it was, uh, Muay Thai, right? It was, uh, a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some, uh, Filipino martial arts.

   16. NANarrator16:19

       Oh, like Kali, escrima.

   17. JMJohn McPhee16:20

       Kali, yeah. We had guys that would do the sticks. I know a little bit of the sticks.

   18. NANarrator16:24

       Ah.

   19. JMJohn McPhee16:24

       You know, like first time I got smacked 37 fucking times around the head with another- (laughs)

   20. NANarrator16:29

       (laughs)

   21. JMJohn McPhee16:29

       ... another guy with his sticks. It was like, "What the fuck was that?" Like, "How do these sticks move so fucking fast?" You know?

   22. NANarrator16:35

       Yeah, dudes who are good with that are very impressive.

   23. JMJohn McPhee16:37

       Yeah, super impressive. So I think that was really the foundation, like- and, you know, maybe, like, some- I don't know, like, dirty boxing I would kind of imagine. You know what I mean?

   24. NANarrator16:47

       Like clinching and punching-

   25. JMJohn McPhee16:48

       Yeah.

   26. NANarrator16:48

       ... the clinch.

   27. JMJohn McPhee16:48

       Clinching, punching, stuff like that.

   28. NANarrator16:51

       D- how did the Filipinos develop that stick fighting? Like, where'd that come from?

   29. JMJohn McPhee16:54

       I don't know, man. Like-

   30. NANarrator16:55

       Isn't it weird, weird that, like, one culture's known for their stick fighting?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Uh, I think so.…

   1. NANarrator30:00

      know who roofied you?

   2. JMJohn McPhee30:01

      Uh, I think so. I think so.

   3. NANarrator30:03

      And they didn't tell you?

   4. JMJohn McPhee30:04

      Uh, I think they told my assistant. I think they-

   5. NANarrator30:06

      And you didn't ask her?

   6. JMJohn McPhee30:07

      No.

   7. NANarrator30:08

      Really?

   8. JMJohn McPhee30:08

      I didn't care. Yeah.

   9. NANarrator30:09

      Oh, I'd wanna know.

   10. JMJohn McPhee30:10

       I think it was, like, a targeted thing, where they just fucking rob ya.

   11. NANarrator30:14

       Oh.

   12. JMJohn McPhee30:15

       You know what I'm saying? And I, like-

   13. NANarrator30:16

       Oh.

   14. JMJohn McPhee30:16

       ... I don't think, I mean, all right, first and foremost, I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day and age, and you gotta keep your safe. So there's that, right? But, uh, I also think, like, uh, I think it was, like, he-... they know all these people are in for these conventions, so they try to drug somebody and just-

   15. NANarrator30:35

       Just rob them.

   16. JMJohn McPhee30:35

       ... (laughs) just fucking... He coulda just took my... (laughs) I'd have handed you my wallet. I'd have been like-

   17. NANarrator30:38

       (laughs)

   18. JMJohn McPhee30:39

       ... "You know what I mean? Fuck it." It wouldn't have-

   19. NANarrator30:40

       Yeah.

   20. JMJohn McPhee30:40

       It's not a crime. You hand it to-

   21. NANarrator30:42

       It happened to a buddy of mine recently.

   22. JMJohn McPhee30:43

       Oh, yeah?

   23. NANarrator30:43

       Yeah. He met this girl and they go back to his place. And then he wakes up the next day and he's robbed.

   24. JMJohn McPhee30:49

       Ugh.

   25. NANarrator30:49

       Stole his Rolex, stole $25,000 in cash-

   26. JMJohn McPhee30:52

       Ugh.

   27. NANarrator30:52

       ... from him, but he got tested and he had, um... I think it was Xanax. She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink and he was just out.

   28. JMJohn McPhee31:01

       Does-

   29. NANarrator31:01

       Didn't know what the fuck happened.

   30. JMJohn McPhee31:03

       Fuck.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh, yeah. Like- Yeah,…

   1. JMJohn McPhee45:00

      Uh, I know some legendary guys from the army, right? Uh, when he talks, it's like this weird time vortex. You ever talk to him, like, seriously?

   2. NANarrator45:10

      Oh, yeah. Like- Yeah, I've had a couple of podcasts with him.

   3. JMJohn McPhee45:12

      Wow. Like, it's incredible, you know?

   4. NANarrator45:13

      I went over his house once, in like 2000, and, uh, him and, um, uh, his, his son, and we were watching Coliseum. So, Coliseum was like the last time he fought, when he fought Funaki. And, uh, we were watching all the different fights. He had a, a tape of it, and we're watching it. And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong. It was such a fascinating education.

   5. JMJohn McPhee45:40

      Yeah.

   6. NANarrator45:40

      He's like, "There's too much space."

   7. JMJohn McPhee45:42

      Yes.

   8. NANarrator45:42

      "You start here, there's too much space." And he goes... He, he had this philosophy-

   9. JMJohn McPhee45:45

      Good, good accent, by the way.

   10. NANarrator45:47

       He goes, he goes, "We start at a neutral point. We start at a neutral point. If I get to one, I'm not going back to zero. I'm going one to two to three to checkmate." He goes, "I'm not going backwards." He goes, "These guys, they lose position, they go for here, go for there, all this extra space." And he was, like, breaking it down while we're watching the fights. It was such an education.

   11. JMJohn McPhee46:09

       Love that, man.

   12. NANarrator46:09

       Oh, it was fucking amazing, man.

   13. JMJohn McPhee46:11

       Yeah.

   14. NANarrator46:11

       It was amazing.

   15. JMJohn McPhee46:12

       Yeah. He's a, he's a legend.

   16. NANarrator46:14

       Oh, man. Like, one of the great legends of martial arts. You know? If you, like, go into the history of martial arts, Rickson Gracie will go down as... You know, if there's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends, him and Royce are right up there.

   17. JMJohn McPhee46:27

       Yeah, I agree with that. Agreed.

   18. NANarrator46:28

       And Royce would tell you, like, Rickson, he goes, "My brother was a 100 times better than me."

   19. JMJohn McPhee46:31

       Yeah. Yeah. Well, when Royce used to come to us, he would tell us straight up, "I'm not the family fighter."

   20. NANarrator46:36

       Yeah.

   21. JMJohn McPhee46:36

       Our, our, f- Uh, you know, and I think what he told us back then was like, I don't know, Rickson was Pride contracts.

   22. NANarrator46:43

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JMJohn McPhee46:43

       UFC was different. Couldn't figure it out.

   24. NANarrator46:45

       Yeah.

   25. JMJohn McPhee46:46

       That's why Royce even fought, right? I, I thought that was kind of the deal back then, but I don't-

   26. NANarrator46:50

       Well, I think-

   27. JMJohn McPhee46:50

       I don't... That was a long time ago.

   28. NANarrator46:51

       Rorion... There was a, a bunch of different thoughts on it. You know, Royce jokes around and he goes-

   29. JMJohn McPhee46:56

       Yeah.

   30. NANarrator46:56

       He goes, "Look how beautiful I am. That's why they wanted me."
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:23

   Yeah. …

   1. NANarrator1:00:00

      that's the argument against pads in football is that these guys-

   2. JMJohn McPhee1:00:04

      Yeah.

   3. NANarrator1:00:04

      ... the only reason why they can play the way they are and collide-

   4. JMJohn McPhee1:00:07

      Yeah.

   5. NANarrator1:00:07

      ... with each other full blast-

   6. JMJohn McPhee1:00:07

      Yeah.

   7. NANarrator1:00:08

      ... is 'cause they have helmets and pads on.

   8. JMJohn McPhee1:00:09

      Yeah, yeah.

   9. NANarrator1:00:10

      Which is totally true.

   10. JMJohn McPhee1:00:10

       Yeah. I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let's go.

   11. NANarrator1:00:14

       (laughs)

   12. JMJohn McPhee1:00:14

       (laughs) Like, come on.

   13. NANarrator1:00:15

       It would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads. I mean, that's what they used to do.

   14. JMJohn McPhee1:00:20

       Yeah.

   15. NANarrator1:00:20

       Way back, they had those little leather head-

   16. JMJohn McPhee1:00:22

       Yeah. Yeah.

   17. NANarrator1:00:22

       ... things they put on their head.

   18. JMJohn McPhee1:00:23

       Yeah, the little leather helmet. Like, you couldn't pay me to wear one of those. Get the fuck outta here with that.

   19. NANarrator1:00:27

       I wonder how many guys died playing that.

   20. JMJohn McPhee1:00:29

       Oh, imagine how many concussions.

   21. NANarrator1:00:31

       Oh, how many head-to-head collisions?

   22. JMJohn McPhee1:00:33

       Oh.

   23. NANarrator1:00:33

       Running full blast. And then, you know, if you're Samoan, you're like-

   24. JMJohn McPhee1:00:38

       Yeah.

   25. NANarrator1:00:38

       ... some big giant dude.

   26. JMJohn McPhee1:00:39

       Yeah.

   27. NANarrator1:00:39

       You're gonna go head to head with guys 'cause you know you're gonna win it.

   28. JMJohn McPhee1:00:42

       Yeah. Fuck, every time, man.

   29. NANarrator1:00:43

       So you're just fucking-

   30. JMJohn McPhee1:00:44

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:57:59