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  1. 0:00 – 2:27

    Instagram/X algorithms, shock content, and how engagement trains your feed

    1. NA

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) So, we just watched this... What is his exact job?

    3. NA

      Go find out.

    4. JR

      We watched this guy get assassinated.

    5. DD

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      Which is kind of... I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.

    7. DD

      Oh, yeah, dude. The Explore page now is a disaster.

    8. JR

      Why... It's li-... Just, like, me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day.

    9. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    10. JR

      It's a brutal text thread. But because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm.

    11. DD

      She's the CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the difference is and what people... Her... He's the CEO, but.

    12. JR

      Mm. A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him, a real assassination. 6:45 AM, outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue, where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. I wonder what's going on with that. That's the, one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo. I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now.

    13. DD

      Oh, for sure.

    14. JR

      (laughs) Is there?

    15. NA

      I have, I have all of... (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs) It's gotta be.

    17. DD

      The investor meeting has now been canceled, obviously, but, so. That was maybe the goal. What's worse, your, uh, X explore page or your Instagram?

    18. JR

      Uh, my Instagram.

    19. DD

      Oh, really?

    20. JR

      Yeah. My... I don't... I just follow... I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram.

    21. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      And it's... I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing. But when I... Someone says, says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow. I'm like, "Let's see."

    23. DD

      Hmm.

    24. JR

      "Let's see if this'll be fun." Um, but on... The thing about Twitter or X is that, like, I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm. I'm mostly just reading stuff. I don't really... Hardly ever, like, post anything.

    25. DD

      I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DD

      So then it reinforces the algorithm that, "Oh, you wanna see this guy get shot," or, "Oh, you wanna see this car accident? We'll give you more of those."

    28. JR

      'Cause I've seen so many people get run over by cars.

    29. DD

      Ugh. Yeah.

    30. JR

      So many people.

  2. 2:27 – 8:01

    Nudity loopholes, porn replies on X, and the economics of OnlyFans

    1. JR

      I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on. Do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts?

    2. DD

      Oh, which one?

    3. JR

      Fake boobs. A fake baby.

    4. DD

      Oh, no.

    5. JR

      Yeah, they use a fake baby.

    6. DD

      That's not right.

    7. JR

      So they breastfeed. So you got these girls with these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby, and the rubber baby's sucking on the ti-... And the, the r-... The baby looks so fake. (laughs)

    8. DD

      (laughs) That's hilarious.

    9. JR

      But they can get some, like, pretty realistic fake babies.

    10. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    11. JR

      Like, what was that movie with, um... What... The sniper movie about Chris Kyle?

    12. NA

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      About Chris Kyle? What was that called? Remember, it was a movie where he had a fake baby, and it was, like, so obvious?

    14. DD

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      He's got this, like, rubber baby, and he's, like, holding onto his child in this stupid scene.

    16. DD

      I'm pre- I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any-

    17. JR

      Yes.

    18. DD

      ... like, pr- problems, right?

    19. JR

      You can post pornography.

    20. DD

      Yeah, the... Dude, the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn, it'll just be like, "That's cool, but have you seen my pussy?" And it'll be, like-

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. DD

      ... some chick promoting her OnlyFans. That's so common now, and I just, like... The discourse is, like, half infested at this point, seemingly.

    23. JR

      They had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on it-... On, uh, OnlyFans.

    24. DD

      Oh, yeah. That's nuts.

    25. JR

      $40 million.

    26. DD

      Yeah.

    27. NA

      And she's a virgin, I guess, and she doesn't post sex stuff.

    28. JR

      Sure. Sure, she's a virgin.

    29. DD

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      Sure. She's a 23-year-old big-tidded virgin.

  3. 8:01 – 11:50

    AI girlfriends, fake influencer accounts, and the loneliness risk

    1. JR

      Everyone's talking about how AI is gonna change the world, but what if that's not always a good thing? What happens if insurance companies use it to jack up your premiums based on your WebMD history? What happens if HR departments use it to make hiring decisions based on your browsing history? What happens if politicians use it to sway your vote based on your online activity? I'll tell you what'll happen. You'll wish you had started using ExpressVPN today. ExpressVPN is an app that encrypts 100% of your online activity and reroutes it through secure servers. That means no one can see what websites you visit or what apps you use. Not data brokers, not shady marketers, not even your internet provider. Your private browsing data can never be used against you because it's totally off the record. ExpressVPN is incredibly easy to use, and it works on every kind of device. Phones, laptops, tablets, you name it. It's also extremely fast, so it won't slow down your streaming or gaming. And it even comes with a risk-free 30-day money-back guarantee. It's no wonder that the top tech reviewers like CNET and The Verge all rate ExpressVPN as the number one VPN on the market. So don't wait to future-proof your online privacy. Click my special link down below or scan the QR code on-screen to get three extra months of ExpressVPN's unbeatable protection for free. Just go to expressvpn.com/roganyt. That's expressvpn.com/roganyt to get three extra months totally free. Well, there was so- some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are gonna interact with guys, and how this is gonna create like profound loneliness and-

    2. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... all sorts of real problems.

    4. DD

      Yeah, I imagine so, and um, I- I imagine a lot of the DM conversations are probably AI ChatGPT already. (laughs)

    5. JR

      100%.

    6. DD

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Or you know, you got some Andrew Tate-type deal.

    8. DD

      Oh, yeah.

    9. JR

      There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounding on the keyboard while the girl shows her tits.

    10. DD

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Which is what he did for years.

    12. DD

      Yeah, innovator. (laughs)

    13. JR

      Yeah. (laughs) Ahead of the curve.

    14. DD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Yeah, you're- you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right? Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends, or girls rather, that have OnlyFans where they don't even exist. They're not even a physical being.

    16. DD

      Yeah, there's some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just like fake.

    17. JR

      Yeah, yeah.

    18. DD

      Uh- yeah, and it's just like even a- I- I think they're owned by entities, like companies that have like an army of AI chicks.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Oh, yeah, yeah.

    22. DD

      Which is crazy.

    23. JR

      And they generate a lot of money.

    24. DD

      I've seen the comments section on a couple of them too, and shockingly, well, maybe not, I don't know, but there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person. And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI, but I mean like some people are pretty stupid.

    25. JR

      Well, there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ.

    26. DD

      Hmm.

    27. JR

      Like a real good percentage. Isn't it like 15 or 20%? Is it something nutty like that?

    28. NA

      Yeah. Yeah, it's like a- it's the same amount that people that are like above it (laughs) are gonna be below it. It's like a standard deviation of like averages and stats.

    29. JR

      Yeah, there's people that are- they're about as smart as a Labrador. (laughs)

    30. DD

      (laughs)

  4. 11:50 – 14:41

    Rage bait marketing: the OnlyFans/UFC car-smashing promo and Power Slap

    1. DD

      Have you seen the, uh- the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick?

    2. JR

      No. There's a UFC collab with an OnlyFans chick?

    3. DD

      Yeah, p- pull it up. (laughs)

    4. JR

      What is this?

    5. DD

      So there's this girl who, to spark outrage and get engagement, she...... breaks l- like, exotic cars. Like, she'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something.

    6. JR

      What?

    7. DD

      W- and just, like, shake her ass, and then it gets tons of views, and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever. But at the end of the day, she gets views from it, and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.

    8. JR

      But how much is a Lambo worth? Like, Lambos are, like, half a million dollars, right?

    9. DD

      She'll smash, like, the windshield only or, like, a window from, like, the driver's side, and then do some, like, call to action or something.

    10. JR

      Wow.

    11. DD

      Like, pull up the, the UFC one. You'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better.

    12. NA

      I know the girl you're talking about, but I don't... I didn't know she did something with the UFC.

    13. DD

      Yeah, Dana White, like, posted it. (laughs)

    14. JR

      What?

    15. DD

      He's like, "Check this shit out."

    16. JR

      What?

    17. DD

      Yeah.

    18. NA

      I gotta find it. Hold on a second.

    19. DD

      Unless they un-

    20. JR

      Is it on UFC Instagram?

    21. NA

      ... collaborate.

    22. DD

      Yeah, it was, like, a collaboration I saw a few days ago.

    23. NA

      Nope. Okay, hold on.

    24. JR

      Okay. What?

    25. DD

      They're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event, I think.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. DD

      And she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a Lambo.

    28. JR

      What?

    29. DD

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Real...

  5. 14:41 – 18:52

    Yoel Romero’s freak athleticism, weight cuts, and how fighting styles conserve cardio

    1. JR

      He's also super juicy now. He's a heavyweight now.

    2. DD

      Oh, shit.

    3. JR

      So Yoel is 47.

    4. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    5. JR

      So he was competing under s- pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as, like... You know, I'm sure you would disagree. But look at what he looks like now.

    6. DD

      It's, uh... We could talk about that later actually.

    7. JR

      Yeah, yeah, definitely. This is Yoel now. He smashes this guy. Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie. Find, find another video of it. There's a, the actual video of it from the fight event. That's, like, someone's camera from s- side, side view, but he's huge.

    8. DD

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Yoel's like 220 now, 225 maybe.

    10. DD

      He's-

    11. JR

      He's fucking massive.

    12. DD

      He used to suck down to 185, and then what would he walk in at though? I think, like, 200?

    13. JR

      Well, when he would weigh 185... This was back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins.

    14. DD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      You know, so right now there's actual weigh-ins, but the, it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Like, tomorrow, uh, at the UFC, uh, hosts a ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at, like, 9:00 in the morning. The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5:00 PM. They've had the entire day to rehydrate. So, Yoel, back in those days, was 185 when you weighed in at 5:00 PM at 185, and you couldn't believe he was 185 'cause I would be, like, 200 pounds, and I'd be sitting there, I'm like, "How?" (laughs)

    16. DD

      (laughs) Yeah.

    17. JR

      "How am I bigger than you?" This doesn't make a- e- this, like, defies all known laws of-

    18. DD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... physics and gravity. Like, it doesn't make any sense. He was massive. He has enormous traps. He was one of the rare guys that, when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man.

    20. DD

      Yeah, he had, like, really, he has really round muscle bellies, so it's almost like bodybuilder-esque-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. DD

      ... in terms of, like, how much, how much bigger you look just cosmetically too.

    23. JR

      So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now.

    24. DD

      He's definitely less lean.

    25. JR

      Yeah. Oh, he's less lean.

    26. DD

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six-pack. But he's fucking massive, dude.

    28. DD

      So how'd he end up in this league? Like, what was the...

    29. JR

      Oh, I, I think this is Mike Per- Mike Perry's thing. I think he's putting this together, or he's involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically, like, toying with this guy. This guy has literally no business, no disrespect to the man, but no business in the, the ring with this world-class athlete.

    30. DD

      Like, how much do you gotta get paid to go in-

  6. 18:52 – 24:30

    USADA scandal and why anti-doping enforcement can be compromised

    1. DD

      Did you see that, uh, article I sent you, about the USADA corruption?

    2. JR

      Yes. So let's talk about that.

    3. DD

      Yeah, so basically, and this was, like, a WADA press release too.

    4. JR

      Mm.

    5. DD

      So it's not like it was some journalist or something. It's, like, on the official WADA site. And they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up, uh, test results, so-

    6. JR

      For which athletes?

    7. DD

      Uh, unnamed, uh, as far as-

    8. JR

      Which sports?

    9. DD

      They wouldn't say. They just said, like, Olympic level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague.

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. DD

      And essentially, they e- they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people.

    12. JR

      Oh, they were narcs?

    13. DD

      So, like, yeah. So if you helped them catch people-

    14. JR

      (gasps)

    15. DD

      ... then you could get away with using, like, full board testosterone, EPO, yeah.

    16. JR

      No! Really?

    17. DD

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Oh my God. So they're, like, a drug dealer that works for the government?

    19. DD

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Wow!

    21. DD

      Yeah, and this was, like, one of the reasons, of many, why, like, Hunter and others are very critical of USADA and they're glad they're not under it anymore.

    22. JR

      Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations. Like, one of them is BBC157, which is natural in the human body.

    23. DD

      Mm.

    24. JR

      You know, and peptides. All they're doing is helping you heal.

    25. DD

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      You're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training, and y- you're not gonna, like, assist these people in healing? Like, wouldn't that only benefit everybody? There's no, like, fear of, like, harm. There's no, there's, it, like, no one's dying from BBC157. "Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended." Wow, look how they phrased that. How, what dirty language. "Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended." What does that mean? That means you're, you're allowing them to cheat. "However, there's a clear process for that which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating info-" What? Wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn't do that. They're saying it doesn't do that. "While they may or-"

    27. DD

      Well, at the bot- at the bottom, "WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents."

    28. JR

      Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did.

    29. DD

      Yeah, like-

    30. JR

      Is that essentially-

  7. 24:30 – 41:03

    EPO, altitude, microdosing, sauna effects, and detection science

    1. JR

      Yeah, but like, let's p- uh, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's a, an event in Mexico City-

    2. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal. That, uh, that's where Cain Velasquez, uh, who was known as like probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio Werdum and he did not prepare properly. Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months.

    4. DD

      Hmm.

    5. JR

      So Fabricio speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico, he like, he was really got ready, and he beat Cain Velasquez in that night to become the champion. And he had tremendous cardio, and Cain was just dying. That's how brutal Mexico City is. So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these like really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO.

    6. DD

      Yeah, no, insane.

    7. JR

      That's crazy.

    8. DD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.

    10. DD

      Yeah, and it's like some of the stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyways. Like microdosing EPO is still, they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it and-

    11. JR

      How long is the sh- the like, the, the life it's detectable inside your body?

    12. DD

      Uh, I believe it's like a few days and that's if you're using like, that's not a microdose protocol either.

    13. JR

      Uh, well how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing?

    14. DD

      Uh, fairly significant given you can, even just retaining your baseline parameters if you're weight cutting can be quite helpful, so it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation, if you can sustain it at normal, is performance-enhancing in contrast-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. DD

      ... to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages.

    17. JR

      Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down to flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo.

    18. DD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Which is when he got popped and, you know, but he was, he looked like a skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cut?

    20. DD

      Yeah, that was insane.

    21. JR

      That was horrible.

    22. DD

      I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO by the way, but it's at m- at minimum, the microdose protocols that are being implemented still, even most recent literature you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing.

    23. JR

      Really?

    24. DD

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Wow. Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio imparts, uh, like, like a microdose EPO effect.

    26. DD

      Hmm.

    27. JR

      Have you read anything about that?

    28. DD

      Uh, not for, not recently, no. So I don't know, maybe you could brush me up. Do you have a...

    29. JR

      I, well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio. It, it helps significantly because I went through an injury once where I, I couldn't do, uh, any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while.

    30. DD

      Mm-hmm.

  8. 41:03 – 1:18:10

    Performance drugs beyond steroids: beta blockers, bowhunting ethics, and rehab tech

    1. JR

      Like beta blockers.

    2. DD

      Yeah. Like for archery, for example, things like propranolol are, like, highly effective, as well as for, you know, public speaking, playing piano publicly. I think there's like, uh, famous pianists who use this drug too.

    3. JR

      Yeah, I've heard of people using beta blockers.

    4. DD

      Snipers do.

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. DD

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      It makes sense, right?

    8. DD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Just dropping that, that anxiety response.

    10. DD

      Yeah, and if it crosses the blood-brain barrier, like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly. It's not just about lowering the heart rate. It also, like, s- de-stresses you.

    11. JR

      Hmm.

    12. DD

      Like it's an anti-anxiety drug, essentially.

    13. JR

      Wow.

    14. DD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      W-

    16. DD

      You've never tried it?

    17. JR

      No.

    18. DD

      For archery? I'd be wondering-

    19. JR

      No.

    20. DD

      ... if it was, uh, effective.

    21. JR

      I thought about doing it once. I even asked my doctor about it, and he was gonna get it for me, but I was like, "I don't wanna cheat." Like, half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together.

    22. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      And if you could just do it-

    24. DD

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... like if I could just shoot at a deer the way I'd shoot at a target-

    26. DD

      Right.

    27. JR

      ... I, I don't think it would be the same.

    28. DD

      Yeah, fair enough. Yeah.

    29. JR

      It's like part of it is-

    30. DD

      You're a purist. (laughs)

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