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Dec 5, 20243h 14mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. NA

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) So, we just watched this... What is his exact job?

    3. NA

      Go find out.

    4. JR

      We watched this guy get assassinated.

    5. DD

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      Which is kind of... I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.

    7. DD

      Oh, yeah, dude. The Explore page now is a disaster.

    8. JR

      Why... It's li-... Just, like, me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day.

    9. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    10. JR

      It's a brutal text thread. But because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm.

    11. DD

      She's the CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the difference is and what people... Her... He's the CEO, but.

    12. JR

      Mm. A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him, a real assassination. 6:45 AM, outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue, where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. I wonder what's going on with that. That's the, one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo. I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now.

    13. DD

      Oh, for sure.

    14. JR

      (laughs) Is there?

    15. NA

      I have, I have all of... (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs) It's gotta be.

    17. DD

      The investor meeting has now been canceled, obviously, but, so. That was maybe the goal. What's worse, your, uh, X explore page or your Instagram?

    18. JR

      Uh, my Instagram.

    19. DD

      Oh, really?

    20. JR

      Yeah. My... I don't... I just follow... I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram.

    21. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      And it's... I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing. But when I... Someone says, says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow. I'm like, "Let's see."

    23. DD

      Hmm.

    24. JR

      "Let's see if this'll be fun." Um, but on... The thing about Twitter or X is that, like, I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm. I'm mostly just reading stuff. I don't really... Hardly ever, like, post anything.

    25. DD

      I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DD

      So then it reinforces the algorithm that, "Oh, you wanna see this guy get shot," or, "Oh, you wanna see this car accident? We'll give you more of those."

    28. JR

      'Cause I've seen so many people get run over by cars.

    29. DD

      Ugh. Yeah.

    30. JR

      So many people.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    (laughs) …

    1. JR

      now. He smashes this guy. Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie. Find, find another video of it. There's a, the actual video of it from the fight event. That's, like, someone's camera from s- side, side view, but he's huge.

    2. DD

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      Yoel's like 220 now, 225 maybe.

    4. DD

      He's-

    5. JR

      He's fucking massive.

    6. DD

      He used to suck down to 185, and then what would he walk in at though? I think, like, 200?

    7. JR

      Well, when he would weigh 185... This was back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins.

    8. DD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      You know, so right now there's actual weigh-ins, but the, it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Like, tomorrow, uh, at the UFC, uh, hosts a ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at, like, 9:00 in the morning. The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5:00 PM. They've had the entire day to rehydrate. So, Yoel, back in those days, was 185 when you weighed in at 5:00 PM at 185, and you couldn't believe he was 185 'cause I would be, like, 200 pounds, and I'd be sitting there, I'm like, "How?" (laughs)

    10. DD

      (laughs) Yeah.

    11. JR

      "How am I bigger than you?" This doesn't make a- e- this, like, defies all known laws of-

    12. DD

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... physics and gravity. Like, it doesn't make any sense. He was massive. He has enormous traps. He was one of the rare guys that, when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man.

    14. DD

      Yeah, he had, like, really, he has really round muscle bellies, so it's almost like bodybuilder-esque-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. DD

      ... in terms of, like, how much, how much bigger you look just cosmetically too.

    17. JR

      So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now.

    18. DD

      He's definitely less lean.

    19. JR

      Yeah. Oh, he's less lean.

    20. DD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six-pack. But he's fucking massive, dude.

    22. DD

      So how'd he end up in this league? Like, what was the...

    23. JR

      Oh, I, I think this is Mike Per- Mike Perry's thing. I think he's putting this together, or he's involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically, like, toying with this guy. This guy has literally no business, no disrespect to the man, but no business in the, the ring with this world-class athlete.

    24. DD

      Like, how much do you gotta get paid to go in-

    25. JR

      B-

    26. DD

      ... and fight Yoel for this?

    27. JR

      He gets $15. Like, watch how he hops up in the air-

    28. DD

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      ... before he, he decides to go.

    30. DD

      Yeah.

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    Yeah, I think the…

    1. JR

    2. DD

      Yeah, I think the two primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams.

    3. JR

      So Novitsky was saying that w- at least in theory, uh, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals and then it would be impossible to differentiate.

    4. DD

      Yeah, I think, uh, maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a-... CIR-proof testosterone formulation, if athletes are doing that, and I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more, and it does seem like there's strong (laughs) evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing. Now, they're looking at, like, hydrogen ratios, because it's more minute and specific apparently-

    5. JR

      Oh.

    6. DD

      ... as opposed to with the carbon content. They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.

    7. JR

      Wow.

    8. DD

      And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is too, 'cause they have to use as, like, a reference. They use... For example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is, like, upstream from testosterone, for example, and they will use that as a benchmark of, like, this is what your signature is of h- the carbon content of sex hormones. And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone.

    9. JR

      (laughs) Oh.

    10. DD

      So through that, we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin. But the, if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, like, you, you would never be able to tell.

    11. JR

      So, it's possible, if you were sophisticated enough, to make the exogenous look like the upstream-

    12. DD

      Yeah, and-

    13. JR

      ... even though you've injected it.

    14. DD

      Yeah, and if you had, like, animal-grade testoster-, or cholesterol even, from, like, a medical-grade, you know, compound, facility, or something, like, you could probably react it down and create, like, a CIR-proof testosterone.

    15. JR

      God, it would be... It seems like it would be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out.

    16. DD

      Maybe, yeah. But it's like the access to lab equipment and high-level testing is not as, uh... The barrier is a lot lower than it used to be, for sure. Like, there are... I even have heard of people paying off WADA-accredited labs to get, like, testing done to-

    17. JR

      Oh, really?

    18. DD

      Yeah, so they could, like, assess where they stand in terms of, like, some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd pop, pop or not.

    19. JR

      Is that legal?

    20. DD

      No (laughs) .

    21. JR

      So, they bribe WADA? This i- allegedly?

    22. DD

      There's WADA-accredited labs, not just in the States, but, like, in other countries-

    23. JR

      Oh.

    24. DD

      ... where they're a bit more corrupt and you can, you know, persuade them to test your samples.

    25. JR

      Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere-

    26. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      ... and then they go, "Uh, señor, you got problems."

    28. DD

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      "Señor, this does not look good." (laughs)

    30. DD

      Yeah (laughs) . But yeah, and if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team, and, you know-

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    Oh, nice. …

    1. JR

      it was just getting locked up, like r- painful and stiff and sore, my lower... Like it would hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going. I would do it for hours, three hours a day, just hours and hours and hours, and I just developed a real problem to the point where, like when I was... Th- the last trip, when I was going up hills, my, my hips were f- getting numb, like my glutes weren't firing. I was getting sciatic pain. It was pretty bad. So I knew after hunting season was over, I was gonna have to address it. So I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped. I started doing a lot of stretching, no archery for a couple of months, a lot of like hard foam, like it's, I have a, from Elite Flexibility, they make like a PVC roller with like a very thin layer, so it's very hard, and I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna, cold plunge sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal. Like, uh, t- it was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called neufit, and what neufit is, is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines, and so they slap these electro pads, uh, all over your muscles and fully contract you, and then you go through exercises while you're doing it, and it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation.

    2. DD

      Oh, nice.

    3. JR

      I've only been doing it for a few weeks too. I've only been doing it for like three weeks. All my back pain's gone. Mobility's back. Uh, no, no more sciatica at all. No issues at all. And everything is like much looser. It's like coming back.

    4. DD

      So do you find that more effective than stem cells?

    5. JR

      No, I think it's the combination of things. It's hard, it's very hard to tell like what is actually working, but when you add one thing and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this neufit thing is having l- at least responsible for, I mean there's some sort of synergistic effect, right?

    6. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      'Cause I'm using peptides. I got this, like I said, I got stem cells shot into it, so this is like a, and it takes a while for the stem cells to take place. I'm sure that's part of it, but then this neufit thing is pretty significant. So I've been doing that quite a lot. I've been dealing with that four days a week, and it's, it's legit, man. It's really legit. I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the... fight with Jake Paul. Um, so I know a lot of other athletes-

    8. DD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... use it. A lot of people use it for rehabilitation. It's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that.

    10. DD

      Hmm. What else are you using now as part of your...

    11. JR

      Nothing new. Nothing new. Um, still BPC-157, TB 500, you know, Ipamorelin, stuff like that, like the same stuff that I've always used before. This is the only thing that I've done that's really new, this neufit. Have you ever seen it before?

    12. DD

      No.

    13. JR

      See if you could find like some examples of, uh, n- I, 'cause like I said, Tyson was using it.

    14. DD

      So it's no more time-intensive because it's during training?

    15. JR

      So you're, what you're doing is, uh, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation, so, uh, so this is what it looks like. So they slap these electrodes to you so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate.

    16. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      You know, so I, I get them to crank that fucker up, and when you're doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed-

    18. DD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... through the whole thing. It's like, it's kind of painful.

    20. DD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises.

    22. DD

      Okay, so they're like kind of-... rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you've been doing.

    23. JR

      Y- for me, what I'm doing is rehabilitative.

    24. DD

      Hmm.

    25. JR

      But other people do it for h- for hypertrophy. And bodybuilders do it apparently to, like, say if you've got, like, trap issues, like you don't want... You need to, like, have one area where you want to improve, they're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises.

    26. DD

      Yeah, there was (laughs) I... An entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as, like, a replacement for exercise.

    27. JR

      Oh, just a replacement? (laughs)

    28. DD

      And, and yeah, and it was, like, such, like, a rich person question, like, "How do I not go to the gym and still, like, go to the gym?"

    29. JR

      There was a place in Boston, when I lived there, in the l- the '80s that had that.

    30. DD

      Yeah.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

    Yeah, has he ever…

    1. JR

      muscle fiber engagement, there's so much explosion. It's like constant sprinting.

    2. DD

      Yeah, has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even?

    3. JR

      That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he certainly could, right?

    4. DD

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I mean, he's not out of shape.

    6. DD

      I remember what, what you're saying though, it was like the later rounds, it was so blatant he was gassed.

    7. JR

      Yes. Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds.

    8. DD

      Yeah, yeah.

    9. JR

      That was the thing. It's like if he didn't fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds, if you were like Nate Diaz, some indestructible zombie-

    10. DD

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      ... and then you get into the later rounds, and you're fucking tired. Like, "How is this guy still here?"

    12. DD

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      And then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up, and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.

    14. DD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode. They just would like touch you. They would just touch you all the time. And you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right? So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard, you're like ... 'Cause you're always like ... 'Cause you don't know if these punches are gonna be hard, and then he occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots.

    16. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      And so you always have to be ready for the hard shots, so you never get to breathe, you never get to relax, so you're constantly on edge. And you, you just get worn out and he's relaxed, 'cause he's just hitting you and touching you, and he's talking shit to you. "What, bitch? What, bitch? What's going on, bitch?" And he'd keep hitting you, just like 50%, like literally like this.

    18. DD

      Hmm.

    19. JR

      Not really trying to hurt you at all, just, just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.

    20. DD

      Oh, they, uh, seem relentless, for sure.

    21. JR

      Oh, dude. Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio is insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz. He did it on five different occasions, in the ocean with great white sharks, swam... What is it, like a mile and a half or something like that? In the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest Ocean?

    22. DD

      I don't know, but... (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs) How far is Alcatraz? How far is the swim? They used to think you couldn't do it.

    24. DD

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      They used to think no one could survive it.

    26. DD

      Hm.

    27. JR

      So that's why they put Alca- Alcatraz there, like put a prison out there, they're fucked.

    28. DD

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    29. JR

      But a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them, like they found their clothes at the beach and-

    30. DD

      Oh. Oh.

  6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:10

    Mm-hmm. …

    1. JR

      were sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard.

    2. DD

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      I'd hit you like that. I wouldn't, "Ah!" I wouldn't try to kill you. I'd hit you like that, but that over and over again, you're gonna get brain damage.

    4. DD

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Fact.

    6. DD

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      No if, ands, or buts about it. You're gonna get brain damage. And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15-year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred, and not just sparred that way. How many collisions? I've been... How many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu? You accidentally butt heads, you a- accidentally take a knee to the head, you accidentally take an elbow to the head. It's constant. So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again. And then, you get a little bit of coke, little bit of coke, and you're feeling good again. Ah!

    8. DD

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And I, I bet, I bet, you know, you get addicted to it. And the guy obviously likes extreme things, right, which is why he's such a great fighter. They're wild people. That's why Jon Jones liked cocaine too. They're fucking wild people.

    10. DD

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      They wanna fight.

    12. DD

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You know, they wanna fight in a cage for a living. That's how they literally feed themselves, by beating the fuck out of skilled people.

    14. DD

      Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could r- almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to-

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. DD

      ... achieve, like, baseline even-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. DD

      ... to feel normal.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DD

      There's a drug I didn't mention earlier but it's worth mentioning. You said what's not being tested for that's useful. In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage after fights.

    21. JR

      Oh.

    22. DD

      And not being tested for by WADA yet.

    23. JR

      What, uh, how does it work?

    24. DD

      Uh, it's like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly. So-

    25. JR

      Hmm.

    26. DD

      ... like, brain-derived, uh, I forget what the NF stands for, but it's something that could be, um, basically, uh, grow new brain cells essentially.

    27. JR

      Whoa.

    28. DD

      Yeah. Or offset deterioration as well during- after fighting.

    29. JR

      Why would you not let people take that? That seems like that should be standard. That should be given to everybody like vitamins.

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