Joe Rogan Experience #2247 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:00 – 4:20

   Christmas bells, Kamala clip, and the ‘merry Christmas’ scolding debate

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drums play)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:12

      Oh, shit. I didn't know we had bells.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah, bro, we got bells. It's probably super annoying to people listening. (laughs)

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:19

      We're ... That ... It's fucking Christmas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      It is.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:21

      The war on Christmas must end.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      It d- ... How dare we say merry Christmas?

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:25

       How dare you say that? It offends me.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Did you ever see Kamala Harris do that? When she had that speech?

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:32

       She said, "How dare you say fucking Christmas?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       You've never seen it?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell0:35

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Oh my God. Okay, let's start with this, 'cause it's so crazy. I don't understand the context, so, like, I wish I could be charitable and say, "Well, there's probably a context where this makes sense."

   16. DTDuncan Trussell0:48

       Yeah. Satan is the lord of the Earth-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs)

   18. DTDuncan Trussell0:49

       ... is the context.

   19. NANarrator0:51

       (laughs)

   20. DTDuncan Trussell0:51

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       But, you know how you see something and it's only a 15-second clip, and you go like, "Okay, let me just be the nicest person possible."

   22. DTDuncan Trussell0:58

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Like what, what could be the reason why-

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:00

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       ... you would say, "How dare we say merry Christmas?"

   26. DTDuncan Trussell1:02

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Un- unless you're playing a character.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell1:04

       Right. Well-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Unless she's on stage doing a play. She's like, "I want to read from my college play, where I was the Grinch."

   30. DTDuncan Trussell1:12

       Can you imagine saying that? Like it seems like a nightmare that you would wake up from.
2. 4:20 – 7:39

   New Age channeling, cult memories, and Rogan’s pivot to telepathy research

   1. DTDuncan Trussell4:20

      Yeah. Well, you know, I was just l- ... Dude, for ... I don't know why I started doing this. Highly recommend it. I started listening, 'cause I forgot a lot of the new age ideas, so I started listening to new age channeled audibles, aliens channeled through new age people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      Oh, cheers, my brother.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell4:40

      Uh, cheers.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell4:42

      Merry Christmas. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:42

      We're off to a great start.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell4:44

      Yeah. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:45

      Mm. Mm. Isn't that Seth Speaks? Isn't that, uh-

   9. DTDuncan Trussell4:48

      It's a whole genre.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       But is that a Seth Speaks person? Is that... That's the whole deal behind that, right?

   11. DTDuncan Trussell4:53

       It's... Okay, so it's ... Again, I'm ... Like, my mom got into it briefly 'cause she dated this new age dude, and I fucking hated it. He wore Birkenstocks, he'd force us to go on hikes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       (laughs)

   13. DTDuncan Trussell5:04

       He wouldn't let me take my fake gun. I would ... You know, you're a kid, you want to take your fake gun on the hike?

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       (laughs)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell5:09

       He's like, "We don't do that on hikes."

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Oh.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell5:11

       You know, the fucking, uh, fascist hike where you're forced to recognize the beauty of nature. And it's like, "Dude, don't put that on me. I, I'll f- I'll find it on my own." But he got my mom into new age stuff. And this was prime new age time. This is like, uh ... This is when they all killed themselves. It's like th- they were part of it too. Do you remember the, the ... They were wearing the sneakers. What were they called? Uh, Heaven's Gate.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell5:37

       If you knew, knew ... That was the new age cult. So, um, I remember, like, s- watching these old grainy VHS tapes with my mom and this dude, and, um, thinking they were cool or even like there was some sound that, that was playing in one. And my mom looks at me, like, hopefully, like, "Do you recognize that sound?" 'Cause I guess-

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell5:56

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       Here, here's the thing about all this.I think some telepathy is real.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell6:07

       It is real.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       I think it is real. Have you listened to The Telepathy Tapes?

   25. DTDuncan Trussell6:11

       No.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       You haven't?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell6:12

       I haven't listened to it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       It's a new podcast that's out, and it's all about this scientific research that was done with non-verbal autistic kids and their parents, and they were able to go into another room and they would, uh, b- bring up things to one, whether it was... I think it w- uh, I think they would bring things up to the mom or the mom would say things. But the kid was accurate 95% of the time.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell6:39

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       With numbers, with colors.
3. 7:39 – 11:06

   Siddhis, fake ‘special powers,’ and hypnosis/ placebo as real mind-body leverage

   1. DTDuncan Trussell7:39

      I mean, think of all-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:40

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell7:41

      ... Firestarter, Carrie-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell7:43

      ... Stranger Things.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:45

      Yeah.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell7:45

      This is the fantasy. When I was a kid, dude, I would sit, when my dad was working in his apartment, and try to make shit on the table move with my mind, 'cause I had been reading books on telekinesis. One day, you know, like, when a, when, like, you've got a cold drink and it gets a little wet on the bottom?

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Uh-huh.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell8:05

      W- one day, as I'm doing that, because of that, it slid forward, and like, I w- I was like totally freaked out, 'cause I thought I'd used telekinesis-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell8:15

       ... to slide. It was just luck. It was just luck.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       (laughs) It was just a badly balanced floor.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell8:20

       It wa- ba- it was just a shitty fucking-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       (laughs)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell8:22

       ... apartment in College Station.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       Yeah.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell8:24

       But, you know, that's the, th- that once you recognize the flaw in the operating system in humans-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       Mm.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell8:30

       ... it's s- like, as a kid, like for a few days, I was like, "Shit, I might be telekinetic." But like, once you know people want that, or wanna believe in it, and how easy it is to manufacture those moments and then claim responsibility-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Mm.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell8:44

       ... holy shit, dude. You can really pull some strings on people, because there's an assumption. Let's say you, some- I do know, I, I really believe in telepathy. I'm positive it exists. But the assumption the- then would be, like, you get around a telepathic person, "Well, they must be good 'cause they're telepathic, right? They're, they're, they're magic, so we should trust them." This is where people get real fucked up. These are called, in India they call them siddhis, which is, if you meditate a lot-

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Right.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell9:13

       ... you begin to, like... Well, I would say s- comedy's a siddhi. Uh, you know, uh, it's not special. Uh, I was talking to Luis Gomez about sales, you know. That's a s- that's, uh, the really good people can get in your head and get you to buy shit. He was saying it's like basically magic. And it's like, so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Hypnosis.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell9:31

       Hypnosis. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       Yeah.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell9:33

       But man, I've t-

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       Have you ever been hypnotized?

   29. DTDuncan Trussell9:34

       Yes, I have.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       It's interesting, right?
4. 11:06 – 17:42

   What are we, really? Consciousness as perception, shared mind, and ape-brain baggage

   1. DTDuncan Trussell11:06

      So if somehow y- you could do that without the drug, if there w- and, and that's where it gets interesting, right? Because we, th- these are our bodies-

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      Right.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell11:17

      ... perfectly metabolizing, transforming so many things instantaneously, the heart effortlessly beating all the fucking time. So, theoretically, purely theoretically, you, you got, uh, what if you could control more of it?

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Right.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell11:35

      Like, how much of this thing can we actually control? And by the way, that's a really fun thing to think about, because like, not much. Uh, and so do you ever think about that? Like, uh, you sort of think, like, "Okay, like, I'm... How much of my body can I really do anything about? I can eat good food, I can exercise."

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:54

      Right.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell11:54

      "But all the quantum processes, uh, that are happening within, all of the things," you kind of realize you're just the tip of the iceberg. You're just the yappy tip of the iceberg.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      Yeah.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell12:04

      And underneath it is all this stuff that is you, but really isn't you if having control of yourself is l- like a way to identify, "This is me." So, what are you in that swirl of particulates? Like, what are you in there?

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Yeah, what are you?

   11. DTDuncan Trussell12:21

       Yeah. It's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       That's most people, and that's one of the reasons why ideologies are so interesting, because it's the same thing. It's the same person, it just they've agreed to one thing or they've agreed to the other thing. And it could be how you were raised, or it could be you rebelling, or it could be... But people find a way to fuckin' slip into a groove-

   13. DTDuncan Trussell12:45

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       ... and it's so much easier-

   15. DTDuncan Trussell12:47

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       ... than trying to look at, like, "What is this?"

   17. DTDuncan Trussell12:51

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:51

       What is this thing we're doing where I'm making noises with my mouth-

   19. DTDuncan Trussell12:55

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       ... you're reading my mind-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell12:56

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       ... and we're, like, broadcasting it to the world? By making noises with your mouth, we're, we're speaking through each other's minds.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell13:03

       Yeah. And also, though, you know, when you get into the telepathy idea, we, uh, which is sort of, like, the question is, like, uh, you know, right now, we identify our minds as some kind of neurological process, right? So the idea is, like, we have this, like, biocomputer, and somewhere in there is our mind. E- everything out here, not our mind, even though everything out here, from a neurological perspective, is our mind.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       Right.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell13:33

       Everything you're seeing is an instantaneous, uh, uh, interpretation of a variety of phenomena that gets compressed into reality. And then you say, "Oh, out there is... That, that's not me."

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       Right.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell13:48

       But it is you. It's like it's you in the way if you put on VR goggles, you know, except in this case the VR goggles is your neocortex, it's all the processes that are making color, light, sound, et cetera. So if we're sort of sharing a dual reality, which is all the phenomena that's being interpreted into our minds, somewhere in there is the possibility that we're, we kind of share a mind. So from that perspective, all these other things become possible. Telepathy, all of the stuff. Like, you know, you get around funny people, you get funnier. When I, when I was doing The Midnight Gospel, I was around all these artists, I got better at drawing. Like, you share a mind. It's the gestalt, or, you know, like, the, where three or two or more of you are gathered, there I will be. That something else comes in the room, and...

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:34

       I think we're collaborating with something that we're, we're, we, we don't truly understand, because we're still trapped in primate bodies.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell14:42

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       So I think, I think we have these moments of recognition of these connections, you know, and, and great moments in life, and these beautiful things that can happen, and it's all being twisted up by this ape, this wild ape that had-
5. 17:42 – 24:04

   Quantum consciousness theories and the media’s attention economy (ads, pharma, manipulation)

   1. DTDuncan Trussell17:42

      Did you see the new shit that they found about consciousness in the human brain? Th- uh, this popped up on my feed. This dude, Penrose, this guy used to be an anesthesiologist, he already knew about these neurological structures that are these quantum tubules that apparently anesthesia impacts. And he began to think maybe consciousness is not associated as much as we thought with the, um, with, with neurons, but is a microstructure within the brain, these quantum tubules that get shut down when there's anesthesia. And so there's this new controversial sort of emergent theory of consciousness which is that, uh, when you are awake-You go from being a wave to a particle. You... In other words, the, y- whatever you wanna call it, the I am, the, um, all-one situation that we actually are experiencing gets compressed-

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:37

      Right.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell18:38

      ... into a particle, which is your experience of reality. But when you fall asleep, when you've taken a facet, you go into a super position. When that's that feeling of being connected to everything, part of everything, not even-

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      Right.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell18:50

      ... being there anymore. So we're those things simultaneously. And, and, and I guess, as far as the default reality that, that you're talking about, that's a situation where it's a bunch of particles that have focused in on a s- on, like, a buffet of, um, moments that the news curates. So the news is like, "Okay, be mad at this person. This person's wrong. This person's right. Here's what you should be afraid of. Here's a celebrity that sucks."

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:21

      (laughs)

   7. DTDuncan Trussell19:21

      You know? (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:25

      That's the whole business model.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell19:26

      It's the business model.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       And that's the way we get the news.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell19:29

       That's it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       Isn't that crazy? And sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell19:34

       There you go.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       (laughs)

   15. DTDuncan Trussell19:35

       Exactly.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:35

       And everybody else... I was watching a regular movie the other night. I was in a hotel, and so it was... The only thing they had when, in the hotel was regular movies on TV TV.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell19:46

       Oh. Yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:46

       So I was watching John Wick on TV, and it's every five minutes.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell19:51

       Oh, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       You're bombarded with nonsense.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell19:55

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       They stop the show and give you five minutes of nonsense.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell20:00

       That's right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Just nonsense about the... And side effects.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell20:04

       Dude, it's unnerving. And also when you realize we think the show is John Wick. That ain't the show.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       No.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell20:10

       The show is the nonsense that's happening-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       Yes.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell20:13

       ... in between John Wick, 'cause when you think about when you're watching a good movie, you relax, you calm down, you open up. It's the perfect, perfect state of consciousness to manipulate people.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       I also thought it was incredible that they bleeped out all the bad words when the commercials were far more offensive. (laughs)
6. 24:04 – 35:04

   New Jersey drones, government gaslighting, and ‘who’s really steering?’

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:04

      Like, how are we doing this? Like, h- how... If, if we're in a world where it's 2024 and there's drones flying over New Jersey and they're gaslighting us saying they're all airplanes, they're saying, "We have it under control"-

   2. DTDuncan Trussell24:19

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:19

      ... and then it appears there was a satellite that was shot out of the sky.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell24:23

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:23

      Have you seen that?

   6. DTDuncan Trussell24:24

      No.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:24

      No, you haven't seen that?

   8. DTDuncan Trussell24:25

      I missed it somehow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:26

      So this is the big conspiracy. And again, I have done no research, so do not believe me, ladies and gentlemen.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell24:32

       Okay, elf!

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:33

       But the big conspiracy is that these are Chinese drones and they're being piloted by a satellite that they shot out of orbit.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell24:41

       Ah!

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       That's the... And this is a conspiracy, unfounded conspiracy.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell24:45

       Unfounded.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       But I'm just... For funsies, for funsies.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell24:48

       Well, I mean, do you remember when those weird green fucking lights showed up in Hawaii-

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:54

       Well, I remember where there was a ship, right? And there was, like, these triangle-looking things that were flying over a ship.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell25:00

       No, those laser lights that shot out of the sky.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:02

       Oh, yeah.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell25:03

       Remember that?

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:04

       That's right. That's right.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell25:04

       These-

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:05

       What was that?

   24. DTDuncan Trussell25:07

       What are the drones? I mean, that's what's, what I love about the drones, is... I mean, aside from the obvious, like, you know, getting to imagine, fantasize it could be they're chasing orbs and the orbs... Or whatever. What I love about the drones is that it's another step in shaking people awake. You know what I mean? Because it's like, uh, part of living in default reality, I think, is you sort of lean into the idea that the government is... You could trust. You can trust the government. Of course. Like, you have to.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       You can trust the people that make the weapons.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell25:41

       You can trust them.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:42

       They're really guys... Good guys.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell25:43

       Sure, yeah, some of them, you know- (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Are hyper-violent.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell25:47

       A little-
7. 35:04 – 40:54

   Factory metaphor, protest boundaries, and the CEO killing as a ‘message’ about imbalance

   1. DTDuncan Trussell35:04

      That, well that's... So, okay, so that is exactly what you want pieces of your factory to think like. And that is why at any moment anybody can actually just turn the channel. You're not a, you're not a piece of the fucking factory. Actually you're the universe.

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:22

      You are the universe.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell35:23

      And, and you're the universe who has been... Dude, I mean look what they, look what they can do to lions. At a circus. It's a deadly fucking thing. They can make it jump through hoops, they can make it catch a Frisbee. Right? So, uh, think of the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:38

      Most of the time.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell35:39

      (laughs) That's right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:40

      But when they can't, those, those make for some wild Instagram videos.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell35:45

      Oh, they do. And when, and when-

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:46

      There's a lot of those out there.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell35:47

      There is. It's the assassination of a fucking CEO. And by the way, like I am not like, uh, assigning any kind of like, um, I, I think it's a slippery slope if we start publicly fucking executing CEOs. Like if you start th-

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:01

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell36:01

       You know what I mean? That's a, that's a real slippery slope.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:02

       It's super slippery.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell36:03

       But I'll tell you, if, if you sort of look at the factory, uh, the way it works is like you're, number one, you, you really aren't supposed to identify the actual like what's causing like a lot of suffering. Like you, the, what you... Once you start making those identifications, um, then, uh, and you follow through with some kind of action based on those identifications, number one, the action can't be the, based on the rules of the factory. Of course the factory is gonna create a, create rules. You can go out with your fucking signs or whatever if, if you're at the right place. Not at Am- Amazon where they arrested those people protesting. But there's places in the factory where you can go and be like, "I need more oil. I'm squeaking." But that, but only once in a while and only in the right way. It's a... Peaceful protest is what we call it. You do it at the wrong time-It's a fucking insurrection. You know what I mean? So the factory's got rules about how we do this.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:59

       Right.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell36:59

       So the moment you go outside of those rules, the moment you, like, actually... And to do that, you k- You have to somehow really think outside the factory. Then, then you see something like that happen. And then you see the way the factory responds, which is the perp walk they did with that dude.

   16. JRJoe Rogan37:16

       Yeah.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell37:16

       They've got fucking SEAL Team Six walking that guy in.

   18. JRJoe Rogan37:19

       (laughs) He's handsome.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell37:20

       He's a-

   20. JRJoe Rogan37:20

       Like a movie.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell37:21

       Oh, he's a, he's like... Yeah. It's like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan37:22

       In a movie, if you saw that handsome guy getting arrested-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell37:25

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       ... and there was like SEAL Team Six behind him protecting him-

   25. DTDuncan Trussell37:27

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:27

       ... you'd be like, "That's no way they would do that."

   27. DTDuncan Trussell37:30

       That's right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:31

       It's just a regular killer.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell37:32

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:32

       There's no way they would have that many guys guarding that guy.
8. 40:54 – 44:51

   Medical system horror stories: billing, fraud doctors, and fertility clinic scandals

   1. DTDuncan Trussell40:54

      Well, you know, I d- I got my colonoscopy recently. It cost me $100. You know how much they charged my insurance company? $9,000.

   2. JRJoe Rogan41:02

      Have you ever talked to Brigham Bueller about this?

   3. DTDuncan Trussell41:04

      No.

   4. JRJoe Rogan41:04

      You should. You know, 'cause he, he understands it from top to bottom. He, he can tell you exactly what's going on. He's talked about it on the podcast. But it's... You know, it's a giant machine. It's a giant money machine.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell41:18

      That's right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan41:19

      That's really what it is. It's not really about making you better. It's a, it's about... It's a giant money machine.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell41:24

      That's right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan41:24

      But making you better is what they sell.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell41:26

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan41:26

       But it's about making more money.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell41:28

       That's right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan41:28

       And, and they can make incredible amounts of money for surgeries that maybe you don't need.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell41:34

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan41:34

       You know, I'm not saying everybody does it, but some people do it. It's been... It's... This... There's a guy that just got arrested recently. I don't know if you heard about this guy. Um, I sent this to Peter Attia. I can send it to you, Jamie. Or maybe you could find it. This dude, um, he was telling people they had cancer, and they didn't. And it was like a ton of cases, and he would give them chemotherapy, man. And he'd make them, like, severely ill.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell42:00

       Yeah. Demon.

   16. JRJoe Rogan42:01

       He did it to like... I don't know. I don't remember the number, because I think the number stunned me so much, I didn't want to remember it. But this guy told a ton of people they had cancer.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell42:12

       Dude.

   18. JRJoe Rogan42:12

       Just scared the fuck out of them, ruined their lives-

   19. DTDuncan Trussell42:15

       Dude.

   20. JRJoe Rogan42:15

       ... and then gave them poison-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell42:17

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan42:17

       ... that's designed to kill cancer.

   23. NANarrator42:20

       Is it a few, like 10 years old?

   24. JRJoe Rogan42:22

       It could have been. Um, uh, somebody sent it to me on, uh, Instagram. It was a news story.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell42:27

       Oh my God.

   26. JRJoe Rogan42:29

       He got 45... That's all he got, was 45 years?

   27. NANarrator42:32

       It says 13-

   28. DTDuncan Trussell42:32

       That's still pretty long too.

   29. NANarrator42:33

       ... counts.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell42:34

       He's 50. That's a, that's a life sentence.
9. 44:51 – 57:42

   Elon Musk: Diablo IV, simulation talk, and the tech trajectory to brain–computer fusion

   1. DTDuncan Trussell44:51

      I mean, how much, it is interesting. It's like, you know, you, you read Elon Musk is the top Diablo player in North America, right? Which-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      I think in the world, dude.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell45:01

      In the world.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      I think he's the to- number one in the world, which is fucking insane.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell45:05

      Uh, you, and, and dude, and I, I know you, and, and I, I'm, I'm not trying to high road you here, but unless you've played Diablo IV, you can't understand what that means.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      I absolutely accept that. I do not understand what that means.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell45:19

      It, it is insane. Like, it i- like, when I was addicted to that fucking game, like, I just wasn't sleeping, 'cause you know I had to do dad duty in the day, Diablo at night, and I was, I sucked. So, when you realize this guy, shooting rockets into space, making e-vehicles, starting a new fucking department of the government-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      (laughs)

   9. DTDuncan Trussell45:42

      ... is also the top...

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell45:45

       It's the w-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       It's so crazy.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell45:47

       It's the one time I actually let myself think, maybe he actually is an alien, because there is no, there's just no way, unless he's paying people to do it for him, which obviously he's not. I- that i- that is insane, man.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Yeah.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell46:01

       That is insane. So, dude, when you, when you consider... I don't even know where I was going with that. I got lost in Diablo IV just thinking about it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Well, we were just talking about how he's the number, he's the number one player, that Elon, that how, how preposterous it is.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell46:15

       It's i- no, it's s-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       That I don't know, I go, I don't play Diablo IV, so I really don't know what that means, but I believe it's huge.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell46:22

       It's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, it's like-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell46:24

       It's crazy. It's crazy, 'cause you know Diablo IV, it's all about your build. It's all about, like, i- it, eye-hand coordination is obviously a big part of it, but then-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       (laughs)

   23. DTDuncan Trussell46:35

       ... i- i- it's just, i- and then you see the chopsticks catch the fucking rocket. And it's like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       Yeah. Oh, that's side job.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell46:43

       I-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Side job, he's had more r- space innovation in, in the last five years than NASA has since the Apollo missions. (laughs)

   27. DTDuncan Trussell46:51

       It's amazing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       I mean, I'm just saying that. I don't know if it's a true number. But he gets rockets to land, and rockets get caught with robot arms. Like, what?

   29. DTDuncan Trussell47:01

       And that, to me, it's like, my God, you know, you get those feelings like, "Okay, I'm on the right timeline." 'Cause if the guy who's going to make us a galactic civilization is also a master Diablo player-

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       The number one.
10. 57:42 – 1:03:44

    The ‘fun time to be alive’ detour: movies, Miami cocaine era, and simulated experiences

    1. DTDuncan Trussell57:42

       The Substance.

    2. JRJoe Rogan57:44

       What is that?

    3. DTDuncan Trussell57:44

       Dude. I don't wanna ruin it for people, 'cause it just came out, but i- it's, um ... You ever watch any, like, Cronenberg movies?

    4. NANarrator57:52

       Sure.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell57:52

       Like, okay, so it's a ... It reminds me of that. It's got Demi Moore in it, who, by the way, looks so great. And she's like, like ... Dude, it is so fucked up. This movie is so fucked up, but it's got ... The effects, uh, something that happens in it is very similar to An American Werewolf in London, and it's basically this star is, she's a fading star. And so, um ... Oh, and he kills it too. But like, she's like a fading star.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:20

       So it's called The Substance?

    7. DTDuncan Trussell58:22

       Oh my God, it's fucking trippy, man. It's so good.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:25

       I'm gonna make a note, Duncan.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell58:27

       You will love it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:27

        I'm making a note. I c- I can't use ... I have to take my gloves off.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell58:30

        Uh, y- but it, it's really wild, man. And it's very dis- like, there's parts of it that are so disturbing.

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:36

        Really?

    13. DTDuncan Trussell58:37

        Oh, maybe they're gonna show it.

    14. NANarrator58:38

        No, it's like, uh, let's, uh, let's n- no, no spoilers.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:41

        Yeah.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell58:42

        Uh, what? You've seen it.

    17. NANarrator58:43

        No, but like, if it, if you say it's that good, then why-

    18. DTDuncan Trussell58:45

        Okay, yeah, yeah.

    19. NANarrator58:46

        ... why see some?

    20. DTDuncan Trussell58:46

        No spoilers.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:47

        I'm sorry.

    22. NANarrator58:47

        No spoilers.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:47

        So, what is it on again?

    24. DTDuncan Trussell58:49

        Uh, we had to get it on Prime.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        Oh, okay. So it's out.

    26. NANarrator58:52

        It's out.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:52

        It's out.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell58:52

        But dude, like the, the ... This is again, like, i- and I think one of the fun things about being alive right now-

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:00

        Oh, it's a fun time, Duncan.

    30. DTDuncan Trussell59:02

        And i- it's a fun time, and one of the fun-
11. 1:03:44 – 1:07:31

    Family, fatherhood, and population decline: trading hedonism for meaning

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:03:44

       You can't. And th- and that is, by the way, there, I think there's a new phase in recently married dudes who, um, I think there's a new phase that happens. I think I, I went through it actually, which is like that experience you had, and when I reminisce on my life in the past prior to having kids, which I fucking love, but when I reminisce on the past, the m- the, the memories that come to mind, uh, a lot of them are, like, snorting rails of ketamine and playing God of War.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

       (laughs)

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:17

       (laughs) It was amazing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:19

       Good times.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:20

       But nothing like... And I really mean this, it sounds cheesy but I really mean it, like, w- what I was going for there, that's what I get just on any given day when, and the most...

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:31

       Right. You're looking for highs, and the highs of the love of your family is above and beyond anything else.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:37

       Unquantifiable.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:37

       He ever tell you, uh, Chappelle's take on it?

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:40

       No.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:40

        He goes, "Not only did it increase the love in my life, but it increased my capacity for love."

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:46

        Yeah. That's right. And that-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:47

        It's wild.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:48

        And that can hurt. I-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        Yeah.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:04:49

        You know, this whole, like, romantic, hippie dippy version of love, it doesn't r- I don't think that's quite what love is. A fairytale love... Real love, it's like that, that expansion. Like, you know that thing where you go from one size butt plug to the next? (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:08

        (laughs)

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:08

        You know-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:08

        Yeah, yeah, you know that thing.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:10

        Yeah. But you know what I mean? It's like you, you're, you're, you're... it stretches you out in a way that nothing else could have. And when you consider, uh, and, and I, when I think of, like, the past versions of me and realize in this confused way, that's what you're looking for. You're looking-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:26

        Right.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:27

        ... for that. And that impulse is being subverted or, uh, captured by, you know, hedonic technologies that are, uh, paradoxically probably keeping you from having that experience. You know, they're, they're-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        Right.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:42

        ... they're getting in the way of that experience. But, and then, and then, like, new dads, you gotta shed that skin. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I had to, like, fucking, like, let go of that, uh, that it's such a habit, you know, that form of life, uh, video games, drugs. Like-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:00

        (laughs)

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:00

        ... you know what I mean? It's a real, it's a real, like...

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:02

        You have to be responsible now.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:04

        Yeah, exactly.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

        Yeah.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:05

        Yeah. But, um, yeah. And, and, uh, that probably sounds like a bummer to a lot of people out there, but it, uh, it actually... This is the way, you know? And it, it feels good when you're in it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:16

        Mm-hmm. It's just hard to convince people to do it, and that's why there's this... Elan's terrified of this population crash, this idea that younger kids, uh, young kids today are not having k- babies.
12. 1:07:31 – 1:26:37

    Mental illness, ‘compassion vs enabling,’ and contagious reality distortion

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:31

       Well, you know, man, this is the thing about mental illness. Like, and- and there's lots of studies that have been... What do they- what do they call it? A folie à deux, right? That's the name for if you were around a crazy person, it's an... It... You can actually... Like, if you're around a paranoid person long enough, you really might start thinking the walls are bugged if they're charismatic enough, right?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:50

       Sure.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:50

       So-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:51

       Yeah.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:07:51

       ... there's a- there's a quality to people who are charismatic and distorting reality that is contagious. And then when you add to it, it becomes a fashion statement, right? So- so basically the idea is, if you have some form of mental illness, it's not like I should shame you for it, obviously. Like, you need care, you need compassion. But one of the really, I think, very dangerous things that has emerged into the zeitgeist is that compassion has been confused. Like, so in other words, they... What- what you might call enabling, they are calling compassion. 'Cause the idea would be, you're... Right now, you need to get better.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:33

       Mm-hmm.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:08:33

       Let's get you fucking better.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:08:35

       Right.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:08:35

       Not like, right now, this is just how you are and you really don't have any hope. So this is where... And also, I congratulate you on your courage and all that's good, by the way. It- it is courageous if someone has mental illness to announce it. But when you go to the next step which is actually the fact that you're trying to lose weight, the fact that you're trying to balance your life. That is an aggression, you know what I mean? Like now you're aggressing against all the people who have this. It is a slap in the face to the people who have it. What I'm saying is, there's a culture where the normal societal pressure to try to make yourself healthy... Which by the way if you go back a long time ago, if we're... If it's just like you and me and everyone in the green room and we have to survive in the wilderness or something like that, there really isn't time for somebody to, you know... It's dangerous if someone is doing things that keep them sick 'cause we have to carry them. You know what I mean? We have to carry them through the fucking wilderness and that means we might die.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:44

        Right.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:09:44

        That- that lowers our survival chances.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:45

        Right.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:09:46

        So the- the- the idea is, you... In a- in a- in a... You don't want to enable people who are hurting themselves.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:57

        Right.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:09:57

        You- you don't want to enable people who have a chance to- to no longer, like, continue the patterns or to take the medicine or whatever the fuck it is to feel better. You actually want to help them feel better not keep them frozen in this thing which is a demonstration of their enlightenment. 'Cause that's the thing, when health... When sickness is health and health is sickness, well, that's the ant death spiral, dude. Like if- if-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:10:25

        Right.

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:10:25

        .... you know, that's how you create a very sick, unhealthy world. And then you- you know, you- you wouldn't want like... In other words, like you... If the... If you met some like raving paranoid person who was convinced that there were nanobots inside of them that were reading their minds and controlling their thoughts-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:44

        Duncan, I told you that in private.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:10:45

        I'm sorry, Joe, it's just not good that you think like that. That's scary.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:10:48

        I-

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:10:48

        That's a sad place to be! We gotta get you out of there!

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:51

        And we gotta get you on Reddit. (laughs)

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:10:54

        (laughs) Exactly, exactly. And I- You know-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:57

        Nanobots are legit, dude. Shut the fuck up.

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:11:00

        Dude, the main- the main-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:11:03

        (laughs)

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:11:03

        This is a- this is a-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:11:03

        You know what I'm really scared of-

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:11:05

        What?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:11:05

        ... legitimately though? I'm... I don't think nanobots are controlling us right now, but that this technology that they have, where they have these like little miniature robots that they can send into your, uh, bloodstream to repair tissue-

Episode duration: 2:35:02