Joe Rogan Experience #2251 - Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard

Data from the Stanford study and thousands of Mexican clinic cases suggest ibogaine can reverse brain aging, regrow white matter, and eliminate PTSD symptoms in a large majority of veterans, while rapidly resolving physiological opioid dependence in 36–48 hours.

Ibogaine can cause dangerous heart arrhythmias (QT prolongation/Torsades) and even death if misdosed; safe use requires interventional cardiology oversight, ICU‑level nursing, EKG monitoring, magnesium co-administration, and strict screening—never mail‑order or DIY use.

Perry and Hubbard argue ibogaine clearly has medical value and no addiction potential, yet remains Schedule I due to Nixon‑era political motives that lumped all psychedelics together, blocking clinical research for over 50 years.

Hubbard describes Social Security Disability, Medicaid, and opioid maintenance programs as structurally biased toward more enrollees and ongoing drug regimens, while solutions like ibogaine that could end dependency threaten entrenched financial and bureaucratic interests.

After Kentucky’s $42M ibogaine project was politically killed, Perry and Hubbard are pushing a $50M Texas Ibogaine Initiative that would fund FDA‑aligned clinical trials, secure state equity in resulting IP, and position Texas as a global model, with other states lining up to follow.