Joe Rogan Experience #2253 - Theo Von

Narrator 0:00 (drum beat) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Theo Von 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

Narrator 0:12 If you wanna rock and roll with thousands of-

Theo Von 0:16 Who sings that?

Joe Rogan 0:17 How- how dare you? How dare you say, "Who sings that?"

Theo Von 0:19 No, uh, who, who's, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:20 Angus Young.

Theo Von 0:22 A-C-

Joe Rogan 0:22 No, Angus Young is the s- the guitarist, right?

Theo Von 0:26 Why you so loud though?

Joe Rogan 0:27 It's a ... Goddammit.

Theo Von 0:29 My brother used to beat the shit out of me to that music. But loud.

Narrator 0:33 Joe Rogan Johnson.

Joe Rogan 0:34 That's right. And then, before him.

Narrator 0:38 Bon Scott.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Bon Scott. Bon Scott died of a drug overdose, right?

Theo Von 0:41 Aw, man.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Is that how he died? Just went too hard.

Theo Von 0:45 (gasps) That's the thing. It's like, it's that moment where you're like, "Do we wanna go any harder?" Or-

Joe Rogan 0:49 I saw a video of Angus on stage the other night, like recently. He's like 70 years old.

Theo Von 0:55 From AC/DC.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Going ham. Old fucking dude, white hair, just dancing. See if you can find that video.

Theo Von 1:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Just dancing around on stage. Carl is still up. He's like, "Dad, you didn't even put me down yet."

Narrator 1:07 It takes ... It takes three minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:09 It takes three minutes to calm him?

Narrator 1:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11 You gotta put ... (laughs) You got a whole system?

Narrator 1:13 It's usually three or four minutes, and then by, for sure seven or eight he's asleep.

Theo Von 1:16 And get him a weighted ... Do they have a weighted blanket or not for him?

Narrator 1:21 No.

Joe Rogan 1:21 (laughs) I don't think they do that for dogs.

Narrator 1:23 He doesn't have that much anxiety. He's a pretty good ...

Joe Rogan 1:25 Does that really work with people? I feel like there's other ways than a weighted blanket.

Theo Von 1:29 There was that one video of that, like, really, like, kind of, kind of (laughs) weak kid who gets trapped under one or whatever. Have you ever seen that?

Joe Rogan 1:36 Oh, no. (laughs)

Theo Von 1:37 (laughs) At that birthday party?

Joe Rogan 1:38 How big is the blanket?

Theo Von 1:39 I mean, it's like, I guess it's like 80 lb test or whatever. I don't know how heavy the thread.

Joe Rogan 1:44 (laughs) Like a marlin blanket?

Theo Von 1:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 A marlin line?

Theo Von 1:47 I mean, I don't know how heavy the thread was, but it's like ... He's, like, trying to text for help or whatever on the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Jesus Christ. (laughs) Oh, it's j- it's just a joke?

Theo Von 1:56 No, no. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:56 It has to be a joke.

Theo Von 1:57 I, I, it did, it looked like he-

Joe Rogan 1:59 For real, though? He was really trapped?

Theo Von 2:00 Yeah, it looked like he c- he was very much trapped under there.

Joe Rogan 2:02 Oh, man.

Theo Von 2:03 Some div- he was very, um, I don't wanna say malnourished or unnour- you know, he just didn't, he didn't like to eat or whatever. One of those kids that only eats nuggets or whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Oh, well, nuggets are better than just chips. At least nuggets are some kinda protein.

Theo Von 2:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:18 I mean, some kinda. What do you think, uh, Bobby Kennedy's gonna do when he gets into the White House?

Theo Von 2:23 Did we start?

Joe Rogan 2:24 I think we're started. Are we rolling?

Narrator 2:26 I think we're rolling.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yeah, we're rolling.

Theo Von 2:29 Oh, okay. (laughs) Okay, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:29 So what do you think? They're gonna get rid of nuggets? See-

Theo Von 2:32 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 2:32 ... here's my take on it. Like, I was just reading this whole thing about, uh, Chick-fil-A.

Theo Von 2:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:36 And they were saying, "This is the most dangerous food in America. The number one burger. Chick-fil-A is, like, the number one fast food sandwich, chicken sandwich, and there's a fucking thousand ingredients, and it's not-" Yeah, just don't eat every day, stupid.

Theo Von 2:51 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:52 I eat them.

Theo Von 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 I'm healthy. I'm real healthy. You just don't eat them every fucking day.

Theo Von 2:58 You enjoy them.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Yeah. You don't ... That's not your primary diet.

Theo Von 3:02 Yeah, if you're going over there every day or whatever, leaving your kids at home to go get one or something.

Joe Rogan 3:07 (laughs)

Theo Von 3:07 If you're lying-

Joe Rogan 3:08 You're just fiending.

Theo Von 3:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:09 You're just fiending for Chick-fil-A all day.

Theo Von 3:11 Well, they're so good, and they come in that little bag. It almost has that, um ... They come in the unmarked bag, you know.

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Theo Von 4:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Feel good. Still work out. Still feel healthy. The key is just don't make that most of what you eat.

Theo Von 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Every now and again, a little Chick-fil-A's not gonna hurt nothing.

Theo Von 4:52 Yeah, treat your lady. Treat your friend. Treat yourself.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Treat yourself.

Theo Von 4:55 Get off of work. I'm gonna have one today. I'm-

Joe Rogan 4:57 I'm gonna get me a double-double from In-N-Out. Fuck it.

Theo Von 4:59 That's a lot though. Double- just get a regular one. Nah.

Joe Rogan 5:03 If you're gonna go hard, go all the way hard.

Theo Von 5:06 See, I'm the guy who, I would get two singles instead of getting a double.

Joe Rogan 5:09 You know what I get at In-N-Out?

Theo Von 5:10 Huh.

Joe Rogan 5:10 I get the Flying Dutchman.

Theo Von 5:12 Oh.

Joe Rogan 5:13 You know what that is?

Theo Von 5:14 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 5:14 It's just patties with cheese on it.

Theo Von 5:16 Mm. And there's no hay-

Joe Rogan 5:18 It's so good. It's so good 'cause it's fresh.

Theo Von 5:21 There's-

Joe Rogan 5:21 'Cause In-N-Out doesn't freeze their meat. Their meat is-

Theo Von 5:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:24 ... always fresh, so when you get those ... I mean, it's just perfect, man. Just two burger patties with two slices of cheese, and I pick those greasy bitches up and ... Nom, nom, nom, nom. And I feel great. I don't feel bad at all.

Theo Von 5:38 At last.

Joe Rogan 5:38 It's like the closest thing you can get to healthy food at a fast food spot.

Theo Von 5:42 And so you're ... And there's no bread on them?

Joe Rogan 5:44 No bread. No bread, no nothing, no sauce, no ketchup.

Theo Von 5:46 And what do you pick them up with? You pick them up with two forks?

Joe Rogan 5:48 My fingers, like a fucking pig.

Theo Von 5:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:49 Like a sloppy glutton. (laughs) I just ... I just resigned myself.

Theo Von 5:56 That's that Missouri sushi, dude. You're fucking getting freaking ... (laughs) It's meat and cheese. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:01 (laughs) Just meat and cheese and greasy fingers.

Theo Von 6:04 Oh, damn, dude. That's that Montana sashimi, brother.

Joe Rogan 6:06 And it's so hot. It's so hot, you can barely hold onto it. Oh, people do it with the onions on it too. Yeah, I've had that.

Theo Von 6:11 Oh, I haven't seen all this.

Joe Rogan 6:12 The onions is good, but my way is no onions.

Theo Von 6:16 ... I have a block on my computer. I don't think I can-

Joe Rogan 6:18 (clears throat)

Theo Von 6:18 ... look at some of this stuff. (laughs) This-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Theo Von 6:19 Yeah. Oh, yeah, if I'm with the Flying Dutchman, dude, it's gonna bring up-

Joe Rogan 6:23 My buddy, Cody, gets 'em with the onions inside of 'em. So you s- they slice up the onions-

Theo Von 6:28 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:28 ... and put it inside of 'em. A grilled onions inside.

Theo Von 6:31 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:32 That's nice.

Theo Von 6:33 I love onions. I think onions are a, um, underrated, um, food.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Do you think onions have any nutrition in them at all? I love onions too, but-

Theo Von 6:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:44 ... but whenever I eat onions, I'm like, "What am I doing here? This isn't... There's nothing here."

Theo Von 6:48 Right. But there's-

Joe Rogan 6:49 You know?

Theo Von 6:49 ... something about 'em that's like, "Oh, yeah, but you want some," huh?

Joe Rogan 6:52 They, well, there's a tinge to... You know what I love?

Theo Von 6:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:54 I love a good tomato and onion salad.

Theo Von 6:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:57 You know?

Theo Von 6:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Like, when they give those, like, beefsteak tomatoes, like, heirloom tomatoes with slices of onion and some balsamic on that bitch-

Theo Von 7:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:05 ... with a little bit of salt.

Theo Von 7:06 I love that.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Oh, that's nice.

Theo Von 7:08 Oh, I love that, and-

Joe Rogan 7:09 That's like a old-school New York steakhouse thing, you know? Like a sliced-

Theo Von 7:13 Like a burrata-style thing, you mean?

Joe Rogan 7:14 Oh, that's good too. Yeah.

Theo Von 7:15 If you got burrata, you're great.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Oh, the burrata in the tomatoes, you can't go wrong.

Theo Von 7:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:19 But the onions in tomatoes, tomato in onion salads is like a steakhouse thing. I never really saw it anywhere else. But, like, tomato in onion salad was, like, a big thing in, like, New York steakhouses.

Theo Von 7:31 Yeah, baby. That sounds good.

Joe Rogan 7:32 Mm.

Theo Von 7:33 I like having... I, I like when you get... There's a Vidalia onion. You ever seen that one?

Joe Rogan 7:37 No.

Theo Von 7:38 That's a beautiful onion. Bring one up-

Joe Rogan 7:40 Vidalia.

Theo Von 7:40 ... if you don't mind, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 7:41 But, well, let's guess, though, 'cause I, I genuinely have no idea.

Theo Von 7:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Do you think there's any nutritional content in onions?

Theo Von 7:51 Let me think about it. Let me think about it while I'm eating one. Mm. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 7:57 There might be some sneaky shit that, like, only, like, Andrew Huberman can tell you about, you know? Some weird ingredient in it.

Theo Von 8:04 Like some back e- like a back end magnesium or something?

Joe Rogan 8:07 Yeah, yeah (laughs) , yeah, some weird... (laughs)

Theo Von 8:08 (laughs) Yeah, like some fucking-

Joe Rogan 8:10 Some weird shit.

Theo Von 8:11 Like s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:13 So there's this-

Theo Von 8:13 You mean, there's some-

Narrator 8:14 Really looking.

Joe Rogan 8:14 That's a Vidalia onion?

Narrator 8:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:16 Okay, so I think I've seen 'em before. I just didn't know they had a different name.

Theo Von 8:19 Those are good.

Narrator 8:20 There is a lot of nutritional value. I have it on the next tab, so-

Joe Rogan 8:22 Is there?

Narrator 8:23 ... I'll look it up.

Theo Von 8:23 You don't-

Joe Rogan 8:23 Okay, that'll, that's what I wanna know. "Impressive health benefits of onions." Oh, okay. Now I feel better for liking onions.

Theo Von 8:29 Excellent.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Tell me what, what can they do for you?

Narrator 8:30 Vitamin C.

Joe Rogan 8:31 Mm.

Theo Von 8:32 Easy. We should've known it.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Let's see. Look at all that. There's a little sugar? Interesting.

Theo Von 8:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 8:37 4.7 grams of sugar in an onion. Imagine how nasty it would take without said sugar?

Theo Von 8:42 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 8:43 How nasty would onions taste if they taste that good with that much sugar?

Theo Von 8:47 And just say just God put a touch in there. He knew it.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Has anybody ever had onions, sliced onions with sugar all over it?

Theo Von 8:53 Mm, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 8:54 Damn, that might be good.

Theo Von 8:54 'Cause you would think it would bring the sugar out even more.

Joe Rogan 8:56 More, right? You know what I had the other day that was really good? Watermelon with salt on it. You ever have that?

Theo Von 9:03 No, I haven't had that.

Joe Rogan 9:05 Dude, it's... Like, it's you either love it, or you li- what the fuck have you done to watermelon?

Theo Von 9:10 Oh, I could see that.

Joe Rogan 9:11 I, I love it.

Theo Von 9:13 Mexican people like to put crazy shit on fruit.

Joe Rogan 9:18 Chili mango.

Theo Von 9:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:18 Chili mango, man. That's a-

Theo Von 9:19 They're like-

Joe Rogan 9:19 ... big one in Mexico.

Theo Von 9:21 "You like this fruit?" And they're like-

Joe Rogan 9:22 They nailed it.

Theo Von 9:22 ... "Now, you like it or what, motherfucker?"

Joe Rogan 9:24 (laughs) They get spicy fruit-

Theo Von 9:26 (laughs) Yeah, they get crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Bro, ch- but chili mango works uniquely. Like, out of all spicy fruits, that's the one that caught on so much it made it to potato chips.

Theo Von 9:34 Chili mango?

Joe Rogan 9:35 Yeah. Chili mango is in everything.

Theo Von 9:37 I haven't had that.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Oh, dude, I drink chili mango LMNT. You know what LMNT is? Like, the s- uh, hydration mix.

Theo Von 9:43 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 9:44 It's nice. It's uh-

Theo Von 9:44 I like a hydration, though.

Joe Rogan 9:46 That's, uh, Robb Wolf's company, right? I believe so.

Theo Von 9:49 Dude, why are people... Why is there so much hydration now? And also, dude, thank you to-

Joe Rogan 9:54 (laughs)

Theo Von 9:54 I just wanna say thank you to Mexican people just for doing everything that they do, dude. I feel like every week, we should have a round of applause for Mexican people, I feel like, in America.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Well, it's weird to wanna keep 'em out, you know? They have some of the best food. They're the nicest people. They are har-... They're the har-... Some of the hardest working people. Like, one of the, uh-

Theo Von 10:12 Yeah, and they're organ donors too, a lot of 'em.

Joe Rogan 10:14 W- well, that's awesome. One of the dumbest, like, uh, stereotypes ever was, like, the lazy Mexican. Like, what are you talking about?

Theo Von 10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Everyone I've ever met has, like, fucking three jobs.

Theo Von 10:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 They're all working 12 hours a day. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Theo Von 10:28 Dude, I knew a Mexican guy. He had to leave work to go to his job.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Bro.

Theo Von 10:33 All day, it never ends, dude.

Joe Rogan 10:35 You know, Mexicans used to have a feud with Puerto Ricans back in the day with boxing. In boxing, there was always, like, this feud between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. And the Mexicans would always say that the Puerto Ricans didn't work hard enough. (laughs)

Theo Von 10:49 What? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:49 Like, the discipline. Like, some of the Puerto Rican guys were maybe more talented, but the Mexican guys were known for discipline. Like, some of the great Mexican boxers like Julio Cesar Chavez, one of the things about him was his volume was insane.

Theo Von 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 His knowledge of boxing was insane, but his volume was insane. And the only way you could have a volume like that is if you have supreme conditioning.

Theo Von 11:13 And what does volume mean? Volume punching?

Joe Rogan 11:14 Volume of punching.

Theo Von 11:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 11:16 You ever watch Julio Cesar Chavez?

Theo Von 11:17 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 11:18 One of the greatest of all time.

Theo Von 11:18 He passed away?

Joe Rogan 11:18 One of the greatest of all time. No, no, he's still alive.

Theo Von 11:23 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 11:23 And his son is boxing now. His, his son is a really good boxer. Not at the level that his dad was, but Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. was one of the all-time greats. But he would just overwhelm people with volume and just break them down. Pull up a Julio Cesar Chavez highlight.

Theo Von 11:41 Mm.

Joe Rogan 11:41 'Cause when he was in his prime, he, he... One of the, the greatest fights of all time was him versus Meldrick Taylor, and he knocked Meld-

Theo Von 11:48 Meldrick?

Joe Rogan 11:48 ... Meldrick Taylor, who was an Olympic gold medalist, phenomenal boxer.

Theo Von 11:51 Cool name.

Joe Rogan 11:51 And he knocked out Meldrick Taylor with, like, 10 seconds to go in the final round.

Theo Von 11:56 Hm.

Narrator 11:56 He said he made this dude cry.

Joe Rogan 11:58 He made this dude cry?

Narrator 11:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:59 Well, I... Look, his hair's should make me cry.

Theo Von 12:01 And who is that again?

Joe Rogan 12:02 That's, is that the dude from Red Clay Strays? That's his brother? (laughs)

Theo Von 12:06 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 It looks like it, though. (laughs)

Theo Von 12:10 It does. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:10 It looks like he could be his cousin that wants money from him.

Theo Von 12:12 Bro, that, that-

Joe Rogan 12:13 (laughs)

Theo Von 12:13 Oh, that's my cousin, the boxer. Shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:15 (laughs)

Theo Von 12:15 That looks like much... Uh, it looks like fucking machine gun punching. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah.This is ... So, I don't know why he made this dude cry, but just g- go ... Get me a highlight because we don't have the time to, like, just watch him break this dude down. Give me just, like, a Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. High- or, excuse me, Chavez, Sr. highlight.

Theo Von 12:33 She comes from silver spoons. God- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:35 That- those guys ... You got one of their jackets on, man. You- you're wearing a Redca- Redclaw-

Theo Von 12:40 Oh, you realize that?

Joe Rogan 12:41 ... Tigers tees, baby.

Theo Von 12:41 Yeah, I am.

Joe Rogan 12:41 They're great, man.

Theo Von 12:42 Thank God this is warm.

Joe Rogan 12:43 So, in the 1990s, he was the fucking man.

Theo Von 12:48 He was an animal, huh?

Joe Rogan 12:49 He was the man. He was- I forget what his record was before he had his first defeat, but it was something crazy, like-

Theo Von 12:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:56 ... 80 or 90 fights-

Theo Von 12:57 Athlet-

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... before he had his first defeat.

Theo Von 12:59 Yeah, athletico.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Bro. And just- it- is there a highlight of his knockouts?

Theo Von 13:03 Oh.

Narrator 13:04 There's a highlight in some of them.

Joe Rogan 13:05 Just give me a highlight of, like, him beating the fuck out of people. He was so good, dude.

Theo Von 13:10 Look at this. He about to cook this brother up.

Joe Rogan 13:11 That was Meldrick Taylor.

Theo Von 13:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 13:13 So, Meldrick Taylor and him had an epic fight where Meldrick was winning the beginning of the fight, but Meldrick was very good. And he's-

Theo Von 13:19 That Meldrick?

Joe Rogan 13:20 No, that's Pernell Whitaker. That was a fight where he probably shouldn't have won, but they gave it to him, and a lot of people, including myself, watched that and think Pernell Whi- Whitaker got robbed.

Theo Von 13:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Pernell Whitaker was, like, the slickest of all of the, uh, American boxers of his era.

Theo Von 13:38 Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:38 But Jul- Julio Cesar Chavez just broke Meldrick down later in the fight and just kept attacking-

Theo Von 13:42 What made him so good then? What made him?

Joe Rogan 13:45 Well, he's ... Uh, you know what makes a fighter? There's a lot of things. But he didn't stand out in terms of ... He wasn't faster than everybody-

Theo Von 13:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:51 ... or hit harder than everybody.

Theo Von 13:52 He's like the John Stockton of fighters right here.

Joe Rogan 13:54 He wasn't a one-punch guy. He's- he was a volume puncher.

Theo Von 13:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:56 So, he would put guys away by breaking them down. He would break their will and crush them. That was what he would do, and he would do it with this fucking mean look on his face when he's just ... At the end of fights when he had guys broken, he would just overwhelm them and swarm them. He was one of the most terrifying guys 'cause he kept his pace up, 12 rounds, no fucking problem, iron chin-

Theo Von 14:18 Like Dominic Cruz?

Joe Rogan 14:18 But different. You know? And to like- who knows ... That's the final punch that dropped Meldrick Taylor.

Theo Von 14:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:23 And that was one where- it was a f- fucked up call because Richard Steele knew that Meldrick Taylor was out, but there was really only two seconds left in the fight, but he still has to wave it off 'cause the dude can't fight.

Theo Von 14:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:34 So, it's kinda crazy. So, all these people-

Theo Von 14:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:35 ... were mad at Richard Steele because if he didn't do that, Meldrick Taylor would've won the decision.

Theo Von 14:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:41 So, he stops the fight with, like, two seconds to go. How many seconds was it when he called the fight off? I- I'm- I'm- I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say two seconds. Might've been five seconds.

Theo Von 14:49 And what would you do in that situation then?

Joe Rogan 14:51 Well, he- he's doing the right thing. The ref- the referee is there to save the fighter. If he takes one more punch in those two seconds and that one punch kills him-

Theo Von 15:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:01 That's him. It's on him.

Narrator 15:03 17 when he went down.

Joe Rogan 15:04 So, 17 he goes down. Well, so let's see what happens. So, he gives him the- the count, which is a standing eight count, and then he looks at him and he asks him a couple questions. Give me some volume. So, look, he's not looking at the clock. He's looking to save this guy. But look at- look at the wa- look at him. Look at him.

Theo Von 15:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:26 He looked him in the eye. He wasn't there.

Theo Von 15:28 Three seconds left.

Joe Rogan 15:29 But he's doing the right thing. He's doing the right thing. It's crazy if there's three seconds left, but he is doing the right thing.

Theo Von 15:36 'Cause a referee's job is to make sure that they stay alive.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Yes. Protect the fighter. Protect the fighter.

Theo Von 15:40 Because a fighter wouldn't make the right choice you're saying?

Joe Rogan 15:42 Right.

Theo Von 15:43 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:43 That's why- that's why a referee has to protect the fighter from a cut. Like, if the cut's too bad, the referee has to call it or bring in a doctor to call it. There's some times where the referee- it's- it's a judgment call and sometimes they get it wrong 'cause they're human, but it's a crazy job. They have the hardest job in the world. So, the guys like Herb Dean, the guys like Mark Goddard, those guys need more praise because th- it's- it's one of the most difficult jobs in all of combat sports other than being a fighter. The second most difficult, for sure, is being a referee.

Theo Von 16:13 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:14 'Cause you gotta make these calls. You- you're l- like in the middle of chaos in a world title fight where millions of people are watching.

Theo Von 16:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:21 And you gotta keep this thing together in this very chaotic sport.

Theo Von 16:25 That would be so tou- ... Yeah. I- I wonder what are the requirements to be a referee? Like, how much- you know, like, to be one of those, um, like Mark Goddard or, um ...

Joe Rogan 16:35 Well, there's courses you can take. You know, um, I know Big John McCarthy was very instrumental in, uh, educating people. Herb Dean's very instrumental in doing this. There's a lot of these guys. Uh, Mark Goddard. They- they'll put together seminars and help guys that are coming up and- there's probably a formal ... Let's see what's a f- ... Find out, like, what is the website f- that's, like, best for if someone wants to go and learn how to be a referee. But- (clears throat) you know-

Theo Von 17:01 Fuck, you could probably just pull up in Memphis and start blowing the whistle on a bunch of shit going down.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Most of them are massive fans, of course. Most of them train. Like, Mark Goddard trains. I beli- I believe Mark Goddard's a black belt in jujitsu. We'll have to check that. Uh, Herb Dean, I know had a few MMA fights.

Theo Von 17:16 Oh, so they also have s- so- a lot of them also have experience?

Joe Rogan 17:19 Mm-hmm. You have to s- have some. You have to know what's going on because sometimes, especially in, like, submissions and things like that, like, it- things get complicated real quick.

Theo Von 17:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:30 Like someone not letting go of an inside heel hook and, like, that's a scary one. There's, like- do you remember Husamir Palhares?

Theo Von 17:37 Uh-uh. (mimics punching) No way.

Joe Rogan 17:39 His- that- his name was 'taquinho, which means, uh, tree trunk. That's, like, his, uh, his nickname.

Theo Von 17:46 Husamir? He's Brazilian?

Joe Rogan 17:47 Husamir Palhares. He was the scariest guy of all time.

Theo Von 17:49 True.

Joe Rogan 17:49 Because he was all leg locks. He- and he was built like a tank. He was, like, 5'8", 185 pounds. Just this fucking ball of muscle.

Theo Von 17:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:59 And he would dive on dudes' legs and just rip them apart.

Theo Von 18:02 Oh, like a python kinda.

Joe Rogan 18:03 Re- and wouldn't let go. Wouldn't let go of the legs.

Theo Von 18:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:05 So, guys would be tapping. He's the only guy that ever got kicked out of the UFC winning.

Theo Von 18:09 Because he was doing that?

Joe Rogan 18:10 'Cause he was holding submissions. They kicked him out. They said, "You can't do that."

Theo Von 18:14 What do you mean you can't do it? You can't do what?

Joe Rogan 18:16 You gotta let go when the referee says stop-

Theo Von 18:18 Oh, he kept-

Joe Rogan 18:18 ... because he's crippling people.

Theo Von 18:20 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 18:21 You wanna see a highlight that makes you cringe? Pull up who Usman Paul Jara submission highlights.

Theo Von 18:26 Ugh, I don't wanna see it but I'll see it.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Jake Shields punched him in the face after their fight, because he got ahold of a Kimura, Jake tapped and he still kept cranking on it.

Theo Von 18:34 Huh.

Joe Rogan 18:34 He would do that with guys. He just was a pit bull. He wouldn't let go. But there's an unsportsmanlike aspect to it, for sure.

Theo Von 18:41 Do you feel like th- that that's unsportsmanlike? At a certain point it seems like it is?

Joe Rogan 18:43 100%.

Theo Von 18:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 You know you're gonna cripple a guy. You know if you keep twisting on a knee, he's gonna have to have surgery. You know, if a person-

Theo Von 18:51 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 18:51 ... taps, they, you let, it's supposed to be that's it. You know?

Theo Von 18:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:55 And there's the heat of the moment stuff, but then there's the people that just do it over and over and over again.

Theo Von 19:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:00 And there's, you know, folks that are known for that.

Theo Von 19:03 Like Draymond Green.

Joe Rogan 19:04 So what, look what he would do, man. He would just get ahold of guy-

Theo Von 19:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 19:07 Look at his knee. Look, and he's still, he's tapping, and he's... That was with Jon Fitch. Show that one again. So he's tapping, so he gets this knee bar. This knee bar is awful. Look how bad it is. He's tapping and he's still cranking. Still cranking.

Theo Von 19:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah, still cranking. So it was like, he would hold on for an extra second or two, which is more than enough to destroy their knee.

Theo Von 19:26 And they kicked him out?

Joe Rogan 19:27 A second doesn't seem like a long time unless you're caught in a knee bar. That second's... That's an eternity, where your, your knee is getting exploded-

Theo Von 19:35 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:35 ... and you're tapping and he won't let go.

Theo Von 19:36 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:37 You gotta let go immediately when the person taps.

Theo Von 19:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:41 When the referee stops the fight, you gotta let go immediately.

Theo Von 19:44 Now, do you let go when the guy taps? Do you let go when the-

Joe Rogan 19:46 So look at the, look at this here. The referee was on him, the guy's screaming in agony, he's still cranking.

Theo Von 19:53 Ugh. Yeah, he might've had a vengeance, he might've had a...

Joe Rogan 19:56 Oh, he was a mean dude. But he, he grew up very poor, on a farm, horrible upbringing. You know, it's like there's a kind of crazy story to it.

Theo Von 20:04 Lot of pain.

Joe Rogan 20:05 Lot of pain.

Theo Von 20:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:06 Grew up in extreme poverty. And, um, like this scar on his chest, this scar on his chest, like they had to glue a wound that he had-

Theo Von 20:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:14 ... as a child, like on the farm. They glued it together, that's why he has this big scar on his chest. Just a hard man.

Theo Von 20:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:21 And a scary dude, if he got ahold of your legs, 'cause he wasn't gonna let go.

Theo Von 20:25 God, I'm glad I don't know him.

Joe Rogan 20:27 (laughs)

Theo Von 20:28 I mean, in some ways, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:29 Yeah. Well, you glad you're not grappling with him.

Theo Von 20:31 Yeah, I'm glad I, I don't have to know him like-

Joe Rogan 20:33 Yeah.

Theo Von 20:33 ... adversely. Um, damn, dude.

Joe Rogan 20:36 (clears throat) Yeah, this is-

Theo Von 20:36 I can't believe we just saw Shane too.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah, what did you say, he looked like a pickled egg? (laughs)

Theo Von 20:41 (laughs) How dare you? Isn't that what you're saying?

Joe Rogan 20:44 I knew right away, you hadn't seen him in how long? As soon as you saw him, Shane's in the-

Theo Von 20:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:50 ... Shane's in the sauna and you're like, "You look like a pickled egg."

Theo Von 20:53 Well, he looked like one of those kind of eggs, like in a, in a little cage or whatever at the gas station, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:58 Those bucket eggs. The ones that are on the bars.

Theo Von 21:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 The pickled. Give me one of them pickled eggs. Do you know how fucking hungry you have to be?

Theo Von 21:06 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:06 (laughs) Fuck, these fucking eggs, who knows how long they've been sitting there.

Theo Von 21:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:12 You're like, "Yeah, give me one of them."

Theo Von 21:14 And there's always some trucker over there just bobbing for apples in the tank of them, like bleep, bleep, bleep.

Joe Rogan 21:21 (laughs)

Theo Von 21:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:21 It looks so unsanitary.

Theo Von 21:23 Bro, and the fart that rips out of your body off of that thing.

Joe Rogan 21:26 How are you gonna ban Chick-fil-A but you're not gonna ban that?

Theo Von 21:30 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:32 (laughs) Imagine.

Theo Von 21:32 Dude, that has to be RFK's arch nemesis right there.

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs) Imagine if you were living off those eggs, the farts you would have.

Theo Von 21:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:41 If that's your only food source.

Theo Von 21:43 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Like let's imagine-

Theo Von 21:44 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:45 ... you're like stuck on a boat in the middle of the ocean with only bottled eggs.

Theo Von 21:50 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:53 (laughs)

Theo Von 21:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:53 Bro, after a while your own farts are gonna make you jump in the ocean.

Theo Von 21:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:58 You're like, "I can't even be around myself."

Theo Von 22:01 But there's a lot of like, there's that trucker's high that they get from huffing their own gas. There's like a-

Joe Rogan 22:06 (laughs)

Theo Von 22:07 ... syndrome or something that starts from it. From people...

Joe Rogan 22:11 (laughs)

Theo Von 22:11 Just imagine, what, that can't be good for you, right? Caging yourself up at 80, 80 miles an hour-

Joe Rogan 22:16 With your own farts?

Theo Von 22:17 ... with your own farts?

Joe Rogan 22:17 (laughs)

Theo Von 22:19 And just cruising state to state just fucking...

Joe Rogan 22:22 Ugh, just letting it go, baby.

Theo Von 22:24 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 22:24 And the combination of things, ring dings and pork rinds and fucking Pepsi.

Theo Von 22:31 And just saying, saying the, saying fag over and over again.

Joe Rogan 22:34 (laughs)

Theo Von 22:34 Just all of that just compiled at once into you.

Joe Rogan 22:37 And then listening to conspiracy theorists talk on podcasts all day.

Theo Von 22:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:43 (laughs)

Theo Von 22:43 Just deep in fucking the murky waters of Alex Jones, just hopped up.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Dude, I've been, I've been on social media a little too much lately.

Theo Von 22:51 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah. I've been reading too many people fighting and arguing about stupid shit, to the point where I'm starting to develop theories. And I don't, I don't want to.

Theo Von 23:02 Like what do you... Well, I saw Alex Jones and he looks really good, doesn't he?

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah, he's losing all the weight. He's, he's great.

Theo Von 23:07 It looks like he has to go to court for something.

Joe Rogan 23:08 No, Sean, our friend Sean is helping him. He's-

Theo Von 23:11 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 23:12 He's working out with him every day. Yeah.

Theo Von 23:13 Well, I noticed it like in a month, I just saw like, and I was like, "Oh my God, he looks-"

Joe Rogan 23:16 Yeah, he's really committed. He's gonna do a documentary on it. He's gonna do a documentary on it. Take, Taking Back My Health.

Theo Von 23:21 He's, it's so noticeable.

Joe Rogan 23:23 Yeah.

Theo Von 23:23 I was like, "Wow, he looks handsome."

Joe Rogan 23:25 But there's fucking theories that it's not even him.

Theo Von 23:28 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 23:29 There's, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's theories that they replaced him-

Theo Von 23:31 Oh my God, I bet it's not.

Joe Rogan 23:31 ... with a different guy. Yeah.

Theo Von 23:33 Who did though? That's always the thing.

Joe Rogan 23:36 That's the thing, that's the thing. But here's the thing, I know that's not true.

Theo Von 23:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Like I know the guy who's training him, I know him. Like I'm still in touch with him.

Theo Von 23:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Like I text Alex all the time. I know him, he's just losing weight. But if you go online, there's a lot of people that believe that this is like a different person.

Theo Von 23:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 There's a lot of people who believe he's been co-opted by the government. There's a lot... Like he has to chime in on every single thing that everybody wants him to, otherwise he's been co-opted. And I'm starting to develop these theories where I don't know how much of that conversation is real. I certainly think there's a percentage of that conversation is real. There's certain-

Theo Von 24:10 What conversation you mean?

Joe Rogan 24:12 When people think that people have been co-opted.

Theo Von 24:14 ... okay.

Joe Rogan 24:15 ... by the government. Like, that they've become... What do they, what is that one name they like to use? Controlled opposition. That's what, if you wanna pretend to be a smart con- conspiracy theorist, you have to say "controlled opposition."

Theo Von 24:25 I could easily see-

Joe Rogan 24:26 Look at this. (laughs)

Theo Von 24:26 Bro, in two weeks, Tom Segura will be playing this guy.

Joe Rogan 24:29 He looks great. That's all it is. He looks great.

Theo Von 24:32 He does. But he al-

Joe Rogan 24:32 But he doesn't look like the same person, because-

Theo Von 24:34 Not at all, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:35 'Cause he's laid off the booze. He's laid off the booze, he's not needing any bullshit. I don't know, I don't even know if he-

Theo Von 24:40 What was he drinking?

Joe Rogan 24:41 A lot, bro.

Theo Von 24:41 Really?

Joe Rogan 24:42 Yeah, he's investigating-

Theo Von 24:42 Joe, can you bring us back up please when, one time, brother?

Joe Rogan 24:44 ... satanic pedophiles all day long.

Theo Von 24:46 (laughs) Oh, yeah. There you go.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah, sometimes you wanna take the edge off.

Theo Von 24:49 Yeah, right. He fucking... I mean, he looks totally-

Joe Rogan 24:53 Yeah.

Theo Von 24:54 ... different now.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Yeah.

Theo Von 24:55 He looks like, um, Ra- Randy Au- Orton.

Joe Rogan 24:59 Now, but imagine if this was no internet. Imagine there's no internet, so we don't know-

Theo Von 25:03 Oh, you'd believe in a heartbeat it wasn't the rogue guy.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Sure. There's no way that's the same guy.

Theo Von 25:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:07 This guy on the left looks fi- 15 years younger.

Theo Von 25:10 Oh yeah, dude, a chubby guy used to do the pool when I worked at this farm one time. He used to do the po- the pool. And one year, he got on Dexatrim or some illegal fat burner, whatever.

Joe Rogan 25:21 (laughs)

Theo Von 25:22 And he came and did the pool one time when I was there, and I didn't even believe it was him.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Wow.

Theo Von 25:26 And never believed it. Totally different.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Yeah.

Theo Von 25:29 So yeah, if you didn't have stuff like this, you would be like, "That's not the same guy."

Joe Rogan 25:32 So if this was just the television days, no social media...

Theo Von 25:36 Yeah, I think that they recasted the guy 'cause something happened to him over the offseason.

Joe Rogan 25:39 100%. You would think, "Oh, someone replaced Alex Jones with a fake Alex Jones."

Theo Von 25:44 But he would tell you if that happened, right? He would be like, "Joe, somebody is-"

Joe Rogan 25:46 Yeah, "They replaced me." He would say, "They replaced me."

Theo Von 25:48 "They're sending somebody in."

Joe Rogan 25:48 Well, who the fuck is gonna do his voice? There's only four people alive that can do a good Alex Jones impression.

Theo Von 25:55 Do-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Are you, are you aware of the Elon Musk/Adrian Ditman controversy?

Theo Von 26:01 That he-

Joe Rogan 26:02 (laughs)

Theo Von 26:03 I saw something. There's a... They, they, they said he, that he was a fake pers- that he made a fake...

Joe Rogan 26:08 A so, it's ca- I think they call them sock puppet accounts.

Theo Von 26:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 26:11 And it's, uh, it's generally frowned upon to have a fake account. Like, it seems like it would be a fun way to fuck around online.

Theo Von 26:21 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 26:21 I don't have one.

Theo Von 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 But it seems like it would be a fun way to fuck around online.

Theo Von 26:24 It takes a lot of time, it seems like.

Joe Rogan 26:26 Yeah, but you can have, like, a fake account where if you, if you're a public person, you know, like Elon Musk, and you wanna say some wild shit, but you don't wanna take responsibility for it. (laughs)

Theo Von 26:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:35 You just wanna shitpost like everybody else.

Theo Von 26:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:37 Like an anonymous person.

Theo Von 26:38 Oh, that's true. He can't do that, really.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Yeah, I would say that would be a smart thing to do.

Theo Von 26:43 Did it, was it really him, did they find out?

Joe Rogan 26:44 But is that, is that unethical? That when one person can call themselves, you know, Cat Turd, you know, that's a legit name for a dude. I don't know anything about that cat. But he can, that guy can just talk about anything he wants to talk about. But if Elon Musk does it, well, he has the responsibility of his public image. But maybe he doesn't want that.

Theo Von 27:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Like if you, it's... I don't have a problem with either one of them.

Theo Von 27:06 Yeah, sometimes you just wanna-

Joe Rogan 27:07 I don't have a-

Theo Von 27:07 ... shed your skin, you just wanna take a layer off.

Joe Rogan 27:09 Yeah.

Theo Von 27:09 And you wanna relax at the house and you wanna kick your feet up and yell something down the hallway you shouldn't yell.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Right.

Theo Von 27:15 And that's what he wants to do.

Joe Rogan 27:16 I think you should be allowed to do that.

Theo Von 27:17 Yes, I think you should too.

Joe Rogan 27:18 This is one of the problems with making the internet, you know, like taking away the anonymity. But here's my, my question.

Theo Von 27:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Because of that, right? So if people can just have fake accounts and people should be able to... Which I think they definitely should be able to do. Be- because of that though, then you have to wonder, when you see arguments, how many of these arguments are real people and their real opinions, and how many of these arguments are just giant block of accounts that's been purchased by a large organization that is hiring people or using AI to have arguments with people and incite things online?

Theo Von 27:55 Right. Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:55 It's not 0% people. Now-

Theo Von 27:59 No.

Joe Rogan 27:59 I'm, I'm saying like if you have a personal belief in something like, "No, they're not bots 'cause I think that way," I, I'm not saying that you don't believe what you believe. And I'm, I'm not even saying that you're wrong. I'm saying that if there's any hot button cultural topic, you can fucking guarantee that some of the people talking about it aren't real. Either they're not real in that these are not their real opinions, they're being told to say these things-

Theo Von 28:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:27 ... or they might not even be a real human. They might be an algorithm or they're a bunch of people that have been hired. Whenever there's hot button cultural issues or voting issues or political issues, a lot of those people arguing are not real.

Theo Von 28:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:45 And there's a real question as to what the number are. Like how much of this is like real interaction between people, and how much of this is all this meddling that's being done? Like they're, they're changing the way people think about things and, and forcing and arguing like these things all day very persuasively on behalf of some sort of special interest group.

Theo Von 29:09 Yeah, I think that sounds very plausible, especially these days there's like, there's not as much... You know, it used to be that a lot of media was controlled by a few channels and networks, right? I mean, that's safe to say. Would you agree with that?

Joe Rogan 29:21 It was all controlled by a few channels.

Theo Von 29:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:23 It was all... I mean, you, all you had... When we were kids, you had... I remember when cable came out. It was crazy.

Theo Von 29:30 Really?

Joe Rogan 29:30 Yeah.

Theo Von 29:30 What was before that?

Joe Rogan 29:32 You had ABC, NBC, CBS. That's it.

Theo Von 29:36 No.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Yes, that's it. And then out of nowhere-

Theo Von 29:38 You had three chances for-

Joe Rogan 29:39 You had Fox. Fox was crazy. Married with Children, The Simpsons.

Theo Von 29:44 (singing)

Joe Rogan 29:45 Fox was nuts.Fox was this wild network. So that was-

Theo Von 29:49 Yeah, Fox.

Joe Rogan 29:49 ... that was the fourth, that was the fourth network. All of a sudden-

Theo Von 29:51 Married With Children was so good, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:53 So good. So you have this fourth network, and then cable comes along, and then satellite, and now streaming and the internet. It's like, "What?" I don't even think we're aware of how much more content we absorb than people that were w- you know, when... That lived, like, when I was 21.

Theo Von 30:10 Oh, yeah.

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Theo Von 31:28 Well, even if you're just by the airport or whatever, sometimes I wish there'd be like... Can someone turn all this shit off? It's like-

Joe Rogan 31:34 Yeah.

Theo Von 31:34 ... y- y- you don't even know what's going on anymore. I... In the middle of the night, I'll have, like, songs playing in my head that I heard on, like, TikToks and shit. It's just bad. Like, it's gotten to be too much. But I think that there's n- What I'm saying is if, if somebody had all that control at one point, or if a few networks did, there's no way that now that they have less control, they're not still trying to find that control.

Joe Rogan 31:54 100%.

Theo Von 31:55 And that they're hiring different groups-

Joe Rogan 31:57 Yeah.

Theo Von 31:57 ... to be Twitter bots or Twitter personalities or whatever.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Yeah. Yeah, make TikTok accounts, do TikToks, uh, about issues. One hund- people... Look, people have said flat out that they were offered money, and then they got paid money to make things for political people. Like, make people, make people think that they were really excited about voting for someone. They would pay them for pro-content.

Theo Von 32:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:24 So pro whatever that person is. Like, there's a whole business in this where they reach out to popular influencers and they say, "Hey, I want you to endorse this person. Would you do that for X amount of money?" And they do.

Theo Von 32:36 Well, didn't that happen with, like, Megan Thee Stallion or somebody? Didn't they, weren't they hired recently or some of th- And I'm sure the Republican Party did it too. I think that was a Democratic one that they had. Where they hire performers to come and perform?

Joe Rogan 32:49 Yeah, this was the, this was the big controversy. We tried to get to the bottom of it. It's hard to know. So, the real... Th- the accusation was that there was a few artists. Lizzo was one of 'em.

Theo Von 33:04 Yeah, that's who it was, Lizzo.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Eminem was another one. Um, Beyoncé was the big one.

Theo Von 33:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:10 And that they were paid an exorbitant amount of money to go and endorse Kamala Harris at these rallies. I don't know if it's true. It seems like there might be something to it. Th- they spent so much money, dude.

Theo Von 33:26 I know.

Joe Rogan 33:26 It's so crazy that the economy is, like, one of the biggest problems that we think of today. Like, if you think of-

Theo Von 33:34 Like, what do you mean, the economy?

Joe Rogan 33:35 The economy. Like, the, it's, it's, the people who are-

Theo Von 33:38 Oh, okay. The US economy.

Joe Rogan 33:38 The people, the people that wanna vote on things, what do they want? They want the economy to be healthier. They want us to have less national debt. They want-

Theo Von 33:44 Safety?

Joe Rogan 33:45 Yeah, they want less inflation. They want safety. They want low crime. If that is, uh, the amount of fucking money they went through. Like, you've (laughs) , you, you spent $1.5 billion and you paid celebrities to... If that's true, you paid celebrities? You know, like, how am I supposed to trust you-

Theo Von 34:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 ... with spending money?

Theo Von 34:10 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:11 (laughs) Imagine if, like-

Theo Von 34:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:13 ... if you were gonna marry a gal and you just gave her access to your credit card. You're like, "Look, baby."

Theo Von 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 "You know, you and me, uh, we're in it now, so, uh..."

Theo Von 34:22 "Here you go, boo." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:23 "... I want you to be happy." And she just goes fucking ham.

Theo Von 34:26 Yeah. She's just buying shit. She wrote-

Joe Rogan 34:27 And she, she says, "Hey, hey, I'm only doing this-"

Theo Von 34:29 ... amulets.

Joe Rogan 34:30 "... up until we get married."

Theo Von 34:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 "Because once then, then I'm, I'm all about a sensible budget. I'm, I'm all about fiscally being responsible."

Theo Von 34:39 You couldn't believe that.

Joe Rogan 34:39 You wouldn't believe it.

Theo Von 34:40 Not at all.

Joe Rogan 34:40 You'd be like, "Wait a minute, like, you've been going crazy with these fucking handbags, and jewels and shit."

Theo Von 34:46 Yeah, you'd be like, "I'm not marrying you then, because yeah, we have too much shit. I can't even see you in the apartment now."

Joe Rogan 34:52 (laughs)

Theo Von 34:52 (laughs) "Because your-"

Joe Rogan 34:53 "Also, I can't trust you with the credit cards. You're a fucking maniac."

Theo Von 34:56 Dude, my, I had this roommate for a while, this dude, and he would get all high out in the living room. And he would get, um, these empty boxes, cardboard boxes, and he had a couple cats. And he'd get out there and he'd, um... And he would have 'em do, uh, tricks and stuff up the, up the box. He'd stack 'em really high in the living room.

Joe Rogan 35:15 (laughs)

Theo Von 35:15 It's like a 20-foot ceiling. And he, he'd get stoned and he'd get upset if I didn't come out and watch.

Joe Rogan 35:21 (laughs)

Theo Von 35:21 (laughs) Fucking weird as that?

Joe Rogan 35:22 Me, well, that guy can vote. Yeah, yeah. (laughs) That's, that's the kind of guys who go, "Whoa, Megan Thee Stallion?" "Is that who she's voting for? Well, fucking sign me up!"

Theo Von 35:32 (laughs) He would get pissed if I didn't come out and watch, dude.

Joe Rogan 35:35 That's what's crazy is like-

Theo Von 35:37 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 35:37 ... how... They s- spend money to make sure that people think that famous people will vote for them.

Theo Von 35:43 I don't think anybody... Dude, I don't even believe that there's... Famous, fame is this r- Uh, it doesn't even seem like a real thing anymore. It's like, like the other... Like, I was just texting with, uh, Nikki Glaser did, uh, um...... whatever it's called.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Golden Globes?

Theo Von 35:57 Golden Globes, right?

Joe Rogan 35:58 That's what it was, right?

Theo Von 35:59 Yeah. She hosted the Golden Globes. And she did a-

Joe Rogan 36:01 All right. She killed it.

Theo Von 36:01 She did a great job. Right? She did a great job, and she was, like, just confident, fun, and ri- just, i- it was awesome. She did a great job. Um, so I was just texting her saying, "Hey, congrats. That was awesome." And, uh, and I said, "Were you s- were you nervous at all?" You know, there's a lot of famous people. And then she's like, "No." And I was like, I, and then I was thinking, it doesn't e- it doesn't even seem like people are that f- fame has kind of gotten different over the years. Does it seem like that at all? I think 'cause some of the most popular people aren't... It used to just be like they were movie stars, you know? But now it seems like it's just changed. Like, you could have just as much infatuation for somebody that you saw that made an entertaining video on Instagram as you could for Tom Cruise, you know?

Joe Rogan 36:43 Well, what-

Theo Von 36:43 You know what I'm saying? Am I making any sense?

Joe Rogan 36:45 Yeah.

Theo Von 36:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Well, I think one of the worst things that's happened to, uh, actors is they talk outside of acting. It's almost the worst thing you could do 'cause then everybody th- change, it changes your opinion of who they are.

Theo Von 36:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:58 You don't, you don't like them as much anymore. You know?

Theo Von 37:00 Well, in Hollywood, all was always one way. Remember f- four years ago, you couldn't even say the word Trump or Republican, and you would be fucking ostracized. I mean, it was like-

Joe Rogan 37:09 Yeah.

Theo Von 37:09 ... or eight years ago. Like, that was crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:10 I'm sure it's probably still like that now in Hollywood. We're just not experiencing it 'cause you're living in Nashville, and I'm living here in Texas. But-

Theo Von 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 ... if you're l- in certain circles in Los Angeles, they still feel the same way.

Theo Von 37:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:22 You know, it's, um, it's just, uh, I wonder how much of the division in this country is caused by what we were talking about, by this thing that's legal. And again, I think it should be legal. I don't, I don't think you should have to tell your fucking name if you wanna talk shit about something that's going on that, that affects your life, or that affects your job, or that affects your, your kids' school. You shouldn't be subject to fucking prosecution because you said something about the school board because you just felt like being an anonymous person saying they're a bunch of fat slobs and retards. And you wanted to say that, but you couldn't say that because then you would get in trouble, and your kids would get in trouble, and this and that, and-

Theo Von 38:03 Well, that's what's happening in England right now, isn't it? In Britain?

Joe Rogan 38:06 It 100% is. It 100% is.

Theo Von 38:09 Is that r-

Joe Rogan 38:09 That is happening in England.

Theo Von 38:09 That's really happening you're saying?

Joe Rogan 38:10 Yes, it's really happening. Y- d- you can't give people that much fucking control. You can't give people that much control over what offends them or what offends people, what you could say, what you can't say.

Theo Von 38:22 Can you imagine if we c- if, if, uh, they would come at the end of every episode? They'd be waiting outside of your s- your-

Joe Rogan 38:28 Yeah. But here's the thing, man. This is a new thing. This wasn't England 10 years ago. All right? This is a new thing, and it's a scary thing. It's a really scary thing. They, they arrested thousands of people for social media posts. Thousands.

Theo Von 38:42 That's crazy. Were they threatening people?

Joe Rogan 38:44 Well, this is what they're doing, man, first of all.

Theo Von 38:46 No, no. Were the people, were the posts threatening?

Joe Rogan 38:48 No. No. No. No. No. No. No. They don't have to be. They don't have to be threatening.

Theo Von 38:51 What?

Joe Rogan 38:52 Yeah. They could be misgendering. There's a lot of things that you could get in trouble for.

Theo Von 38:55 Why be alive if you can't even think or say what you want?

Joe Rogan 38:58 People could deem it's racist, if it's anti-migrant. You know, they have a migrant crisis over there in Europe. Um, but people can deem it, you know, anti-migrant and Islamophobic, and you can... Uh, there's a bunch of, you know, them that are threats. People threaten people online, which totally makes sense.

Theo Von 39:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:16 So, you shouldn't be allowed to threaten people online. But when you get past that, if you have an opinion about something, about-

Theo Von 39:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:23 ... something that's affecting y- the country that you live in, I think you should be able to express yourself. And I don't necessarily think that, uh, people should know that it's you.

Theo Von 39:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:33 I don't think you should have to carry that around. Like, you, you should be able to express yourself and not have to be famous. I don't, I don't think there's a problem with that.

Theo Von 39:42 You mean, and not have to have it be known. So you're saying that-

Joe Rogan 39:44 Right. But, but, but-

Theo Von 39:44 ... Elon should be able to also have a separate voice if he wants to, or anyone should.

Joe Rogan 39:47 If you want to. But the problem is, if you do that, then you're gonna have corporations that are doing what we're suspecting that they're doing. And what this, uh, one former FBI analyst, we pulled up this article 1,000 times, Jamie. But pull it up one more time just 'cause it's just so crazy, you can't believe it's real. This guy was analyzing the, uh, amount of d- Twitter people that are bots. And this was l- a contentious issue, contentious aspect of the purchase when Elon bought Twitter. So when Elon bought Twitter, they were saying there was only 5% bots.

Theo Von 40:17 I remember that.

Joe Rogan 40:18 We sampled 100 people. 5% of them were bots. And he's like, "That's not enough. You have hundreds of millions of people that are signed up for this. How many of these people are fake?" And they really didn't wanna tell. (laughs) They didn't, they just like-

Theo Von 40:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:31 They just, not a lot. Don't worry. It's like (laughs) you know?

Theo Von 40:35 Yeah. How many bots were programmed to lie if they were asked if they're a bot?

Joe Rogan 40:39 It's like a guy asking a girl, "How many guys have you slept with?"

Theo Von 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:42 A couple, nothing.

Theo Von 40:43 Four.

Joe Rogan 40:44 Nothing. Don't worry about it. "I'm a former CIA cyber operations officer who studies bot traffic. Here's why it's plausible that more than 80%-"

Theo Von 40:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:53 "... of Twitter's accounts are actually fake, and Twitter is not alone." More than 80%.

Theo Von 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 See, I don't think we realize that because we're on there for real, we're real people on there. But if you're real people, where fake people are constantly arguing right in front of your face like the world is ending, and it's not necessarily all real people. There definitely are real people arguing on Twitter, don't get me wrong. And I think even the fake people arguing is very addictive, and I think you wanna get involved too 'cause you like, you seeing this guy dunk on that guy? I wanna fucking dunk on somebody.

Theo Von 41:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 And then people are spending all their time in this job that they hate when no one's looking, the boss isn't around, m- you know, typing up some real witty, nasty shit on Twitter.

Theo Von 41:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:39 And I think there's... You wanna be able to do that anonymously. But-... if you do have that and you don't know who's doing what-

Theo Von 41:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:51 ... you do get to this point where someone can fucking manipulate it. But if you do know, then the problem is the government has already shown how fucking shady they are when someone comes out and says something that goes against what they agree with, or what they're trying to push, or what agenda they have, or what's best for them financially. So, they'll fucking throw the kitchen sink at you. We've seen them do that. You can't have those kind of people in power where they can know exactly who's saying what. You still have to have the ability to have whistleblowers. So, you have this conundrum. On one side, you can have this completely manipulated environment that's done by corporations and fake people, and, and, and people that are paid by parties just to push the party line and to go out there and debate it vigorously and argue it.

Theo Von 42:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:36 They're paid to do it.

Theo Von 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:38 And all you have is your wits. All you have is your ability to try to form your own opinions of things regardless of, like, where you feel like you're pulled because of whatever ideology you've, uh, you know, you've publicly proclaimed to be. "I'm, I'm a liberal person. This is how I feel."

Theo Von 42:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:55 "I'm pro this, I'm pro that." And then-

Theo Von 42:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:58 ... they'll start fighting about what that means, and you-

Theo Von 43:02 Which scare you when that happens, because then you also have locked yourself into a space where you might not change because you're afraid of what your public persona is.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Exactly.

Theo Von 43:11 And that's gotta be...

Joe Rogan 43:12 Well, that's how you get to, "Dick Cheney endorses Kamala Harris," and the liberals like, "Yeah." (clapping)

Theo Von 43:18 (clapping)

Joe Rogan 43:18 Boom. I saw this dude, he po- posted a atomic bomb GIF in his, like ... after that happened, like, "It's over." Boom.

Theo Von 43:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:25 Like, you guys are just dorks who don't play sports. Do you realize what kind of mental gymnastics you have to go through where Dick Cheney, rest in peace, where Dick Cheney-

Theo Von 43:35 He passed away?

Joe Rogan 43:35 He just passed away.

Theo Von 43:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Where Dick Cheney endorsing your liberal progressive candidate that somehow or another, that's a good thing. The guy was the architect of the fucking ... architect of I- the Iraq invasion, weapons of mass destruction host, all that shit. The guy was-

Theo Von 43:53 He was a slumberger guy, right?

Joe Rogan 43:54 He was a scary guy, man.

Theo Von 43:56 He was the oil guy, right, who couldn't put-

Joe Rogan 43:57 Halliburton.

Theo Von 43:58 Yeah, Halliburton.

Joe Rogan 43:59 He's from Halliburton.

Theo Von 44:00 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Bro. Does that ... So you have-

Theo Von 44:02 Yeah, that, that was bizarre. I mean, ex- ... that's the thing-

Joe Rogan 44:04 It's mental gymnastics.

Theo Von 44:05 Everything's gotten so bizarre, dude.

Joe Rogan 44:08 He's not dead. He's not dead? No. Oh, it's a fake report? Yeah. Fake Dick Cheney death report came from RT parody (laughs) account.

Theo Von 44:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:15 Those motherfuckers.

Theo Von 44:16 Here we go, bro. But, hey.

Joe Rogan 44:17 They got me. But this is the thing. It's like-

Theo Von 44:18 (laughs) This is the thing.

Joe Rogan 44:19 ... you can't tell what the fuck is true. Well, first of all, how is he still alive, you know?

Theo Von 44:24 Yeah, that's gotta be-

Joe Rogan 44:25 How many soccer players did we lose this year, midfield, mass of heart attacks-

Theo Von 44:29 From electricity.

Joe Rogan 44:29 ... just running down the street. People are dying.

Theo Von 44:33 And li-

Joe Rogan 44:33 And somehow or another, Dick Cheney's still alive.

Theo Von 44:35 And Dick Cheney's still out there twerking.

Joe Rogan 44:37 With a different heart.

Theo Von 44:38 Yeah. That's what they're doing now.

Joe Rogan 44:39 He's got a fake heart.

Theo Von 44:40 I'm sure he does. I'm sure he is on his sixth or seventh heart. A lot of these-

Joe Rogan 44:44 (laughs)

Theo Von 44:44 You don't think politicians are getting fucking separate hearts and organs, dude? You don't think they're first in line when they fucking-

Joe Rogan 44:50 Oh, yeah, for sure. That's probably part of the, like, the ... if you gonna open up a hospital, this is what I want the moment my shit goes south.

Theo Von 44:56 I-

Joe Rogan 44:56 I, I want, wa- ... I want a doctor ready with his hands scrubbed.

Theo Von 45:00 Yeah. Oh, I bet there's a sick Rothschild out there somewhere-

Joe Rogan 45:03 (laughs)

Theo Von 45:03 ... and every month they're putting' a new ticker into him.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Dude, I was reading a, uh, a story last night about this dude who was one of the R- ... I think he was a Rockefeller, uh, who got eaten. See if th- is- that's ... I th- I believe he's one of the Rock- Rockef- Rothschilds or Rockefellers. Goddammit. One of them fancy people.

Theo Von 45:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:23 When you hear their name, you're like, "Oh, that fancy family." You know those?

Theo Von 45:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:26 So, this dude went to New Guinea and got eaten by cannibals.

Theo Von 45:29 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Apparently, he went there.

Theo Von 45:32 I'd hate ...

Joe Rogan 45:33 Michael Rockefeller. So, apparently he went there, um-

Theo Von 45:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 45:38 ... and they were fine, they were fine with him the first time he went there, but he was trying to get something from them. And the something that he was trying to get from them was sacred.

Theo Von 45:46 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:46 And apparently, they were very pissed off at him. So, uh, he didn't know that they were pissed off at him, so then wh- when he went back, he thought they'd be friendly with him.

Theo Von 45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:53 And they killed him and ate him.

Theo Von 45:55 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Yeah.

Theo Von 45:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 45:57 And then they hid it. They hid the story forever. So, they went looking for this guy like, "Hey, uh, my rich cousin is missing. Where is he?" And they're like ... (burps) "I don't know."

Theo Von 46:06 They just lie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:07 (laughs) They fucking burp. They just ate that dude.

Theo Von 46:09 They just ... somebody just coughs up a, uh, one of those, um, things that keeps your, uh ... What is that thing that goes on the ... into your shirt, Joe?

Joe Rogan 46:18 Your cuff?

Theo Von 46:19 A cuff link.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Oh, a cuff link.

Theo Von 46:20 (laughs) I just fucking-

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah.

Theo Von 46:22 Some guy just coughs up a cuff link.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Hey, let me give a shout-out to the person who's, uh ... it was on their YouTube channel because, uh, I can't remember most of the details of the story. But if you go to this dude's YouTube channel, he lays it out.

Theo Von 46:37 I tried to find a hat that matched with y'all's curtain in here.

Joe Rogan 46:39 It's perfect. You nailed it.

Theo Von 46:41 Thanks.

Joe Rogan 46:41 I'll get it in here somewhere. I, I have a real-

Theo Von 46:43 Anyways.

Joe Rogan 46:43 ... problem with these goddamn YouTube videos. I'm watching too much. I'm absorbing a lot. I'm learning things.

Theo Von 46:49 But do you think, like, um, y- like, you talked about, uh, Islamophobia-

Joe Rogan 46:58 Mm-hmm.

Theo Von 46:59 ... in Britain.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Uh, did I talk about it? What do you mean?

Theo Von 47:04 Or did you mention it a minute ago, Islamophobia?

Joe Rogan 47:06 Well, we were talking about mig-

Theo Von 47:07 What does Islamophobia mean?

Joe Rogan 47:08 We were, we were talking about the migrant crisis. We didn't ... weren't necessarily-

Theo Von 47:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 47:12 ... saying Islamophobia. I think there's a ... You know, it's like the migrant crisis in the United States, it's not a, a crisis of, um, one type of individual coming in. The, the idea is that you wanna be able to vet everybody who comes in.

Theo Von 47:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:29 And from ... No matter what, wheth- whether they're from Guatemala or they're from Syria, you wanna find out who the fuck they are. You don't wanna-

Theo Von 47:36 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 47:36 ... let in criminals and psychopaths.

Theo Von 47:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:37 That's ... It's all that simple. And if you start, you know, blocking off people's ability to do that, I always have to wonder, like, what are you trying to do?

Theo Von 47:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 If you're just trying to let everybody in and not check, are you trying to g-... create chaos? Is that what you want? 'Cause that's what I would do if I was an evil person, and I wanted to fuck up an entire civilization. I would just let criminals in. I would encourage criminals to go there. I would release them out of my jails and give them money to go north.

Theo Von 48:06 Yeah. Like-

Joe Rogan 48:07 You can just walk across to America. We're gonna pay you to do it.

Theo Von 48:10 Well, I think you have a lot of people that have, like, a, that believe in some sort of a moral and ethical code, and they feel like they don't have a place to be sometimes, you know? Um...

Joe Rogan 48:22 Well, there's also some people that grow up and they just got fucked by the world. They just got brought to a real bad spot, and they started off way worse than you and I.

Theo Von 48:31 For sure.

Joe Rogan 48:32 And that's the reality of, if you wanna keep a healthy society, you have to keep those (laughs) fucking people out. Like, the world is not fair. It's not fair. And if you wanna protect the best aspects of the world, you gotta keep them safe. And then spread out, spread out that safety from there. It's not let in all the bad, it's spread out the safety. It's like, the, the way to do it isn't to just let all the criminals in, and then, "Oh, well now we all live with crime." Like, (laughs) no, that's stupid. The way to do it is to solve the crime problem in an area and then expand that area ever greater-

Theo Von 49:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:07 ... across the world. That is totally doable.

Theo Von 49:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:09 That's totally doable. You're never gonna stop all crime, but you can minimize it significantly with a concerted effort, which is not being done. They're not doing that. And there's a bunch of different things that they have to do. Instead of just hiring cops to fuck people up, they should train cops better. They should pay them more. They should make them more respected.

Theo Von 49:26 Yeah, I saw the-

Joe Rogan 49:27 They should make, make people appreciate cops instead of, like, think of them as the enemy.

Theo Von 49:31 I agree. We always thought that cops were reliable, but then I guess some cultures have different experiences with cops. But these days, cops are so diverse that it's like you couldn't have a, like, you'd almost have to be a f- uh, alien or something to have a racial issue, it feels like sometimes. You know?

Joe Rogan 49:48 Well, I think cops are just like all, all kinds of people. And the problem with all people is they're gonna vary. There's gonna be some people that can handle pressure and, and some people that can handle having power and being a boss.

Theo Von 50:00 Oh, that's a good point.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Like, if you've had good bosses. I've had great bosses, who were great guys. They made you happy to work with them. You knew they were the boss, but it was a cool situation. And then you've got people that are cunts just because they're bosses. You got this guy that just won't stop talking down to you 'cause he knows he can get away with you 'cause you need the job.

Theo Von 50:17 Ah.

Joe Rogan 50:18 He can get away with shitting on you. W- you've all had that too. And those, th- that, that's, that's the problem with being a cop. Like, some people are just not good at having power over people, and some people are great with it. And then there's the reality of the stress that they face. Every fucking day you might get shot. Every day you're pulling people over. What is the worst thing that's gonna happen to you in your day? Oh, oh, did someone open their door on your car? Aw.

Theo Von 50:41 You had someone whistle at you-

Joe Rogan 50:43 Yeah, I j- yeah.

Theo Von 50:43 ... 'cause you had big tits or whatever?

Joe Rogan 50:44 I saw a 10-year-old get their face shot in.

Theo Von 50:46 Yeah. Shit.

Joe Rogan 50:46 You know, I saw a little girl get run over by a car. I saw horrible murder scenes. You know, they, th- they're, they're going upon car accidents every day. You're seeing so much awful shit.

Theo Von 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 You're dealing with s- and then every time you pull somebody over, every cop has seen those videos of people, pulling people over and just getting lit, littered with bullets. Just ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, fall to the ground. There's so many of those videos. Getting your gun taken away from you, getting shot and killed.

Theo Von 51:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:14 We've all seen those videos.

Theo Von 51:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:16 They're fucking horrible.

Theo Von 51:16 It's at Walmart everywhere. A lot of that shit, it's like there's just so much violence now.

Joe Rogan 51:21 There's this one where this guy was beating up this female cop, and his daughter was te- s- telling her to s- telling him to stop. The daughter was trying to get him to stop beating this cop to death.

Theo Von 51:33 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 51:33 And you're like, "Oh my god." So, like, that job is not a normal fucking job, and when people don't have respect for it and don't appreciate it, it's a s- it's a sign of the, the sickness of society.

Theo Von 51:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 It's the, the illness of society that we don't appreciate law and order, and we think of it as something that somehow or another... That it's uniquely oppressive, and that with- without it being there, you'd have less problems. So there was that, that was all that defund the police thing.

Theo Von 52:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Which is just, we should've learned from that, and I hope a lot of people did. Like, that's a terrible idea. The problem is not cops. The c- the problem is cops are human.

Theo Von 52:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:17 And they, they have (laughs) to stay human, otherwise you're gonna get f- fucking RoboCop'd.

Theo Von 52:20 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:21 So what do we, what are we gonna do?

Theo Von 52:23 RoboCop could easily get hijacked too, that's another issue. It's like, a lot of cy- like...

Joe Rogan 52:27 Oh, yeah.

Theo Von 52:27 If there were cyberattacks, like, um, where they wanted every, uh, electric vehicle or something to just go drive off a cliff, they could just control... Like just-

Joe Rogan 52:37 100%.

Theo Von 52:38 If they wanted every oven to just r- heat to 250 degrees and just burn down every house.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Sure.

Theo Von 52:43 Like if something got hacked, you know? It would be very spooky. So yeah, if cops got hacked, bro, that would be crazy. And then also, they could just say they hacked the c- like, you could have a dirty entity hack the cops and use them for whatever they want, and then who do you even sue at that point? What are you gonna even, you know? They're not even people. Are you gonna put a robot on the stand?

Joe Rogan 53:00 Well, you also, you would have to know what kind of, like, hacking is even possible, and whether or not it can be detected. 'Cause if they're doing it wirelessly, like can they do it wir- like, Jamie you would probably know this. Can you hack something wirelessly from an anonymous account and like get into a system and no one knows who did it? Or is everything ultimately traceable if they could find the source of the invasion?

Guest (remote contributor) 53:28 Hmm. I think, when you get to the high level stuff, they're going, the hacker, like the, the person doing the attack goes through so many levels to try to hide where they're going from.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Yeah.

Theo Von 53:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:40 So they can hide somewhat.

Guest (remote contributor) 53:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 And also, how many of those guys that are like operating at that level even exist?

Theo Von 53:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 How many of those, like, super high level hackers are out there?... and everybody else is just kind of at the mercy. Like, if you, like, try understanding that, if you don't do that-

Theo Von 53:57 N- it's impossible.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah. So how is a judge gonna understand it? How's, uh, who's gonna understand it?

Theo Von 54:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:03 How are the cops gonna understand it?

Theo Von 54:05 Right, it's kind of, yeah, it's gotta be weird if you know that much stuff. You're kind of in a world of your own.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Oh, yeah. If you're, like, a super Bitcoin creator-type dude, you're in a world of your own. You're, uh, you're existing in the, the most sophisticated layers of the technological power of the likes the world's never s- seen before, never seen anything like it. And you're the people-

Theo Von 54:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:28 ... that are at the head of the code. You're the people that are making AI.

Theo Von 54:32 Yeah, you're like, crypto for Columbus or whatever. You're the fucking-

Joe Rogan 54:35 (laughs)

Theo Von 54:36 You're on the-

Joe Rogan 54:37 Crypto for Columbus is great.

Theo Von 54:38 (laughs) You're on the edge.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Bro, that's great.

Theo Von 54:40 Dude, if people, that's why I've said this for years, people with autism are the, they are the link between regular people and machines. It's, that's where we're headed. It's all-

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Theo Von 54:52 No, in seven, two generations everyone will have autism, you won't be able to find anybody that doesn't have it or that doesn't, like kinda freak out-

Joe Rogan 55:01 Well, it's almost like-

Theo Von 55:01 ... if, like, somebody's, like, whistling or whatever.

Joe Rogan 55:03 It's, it's almost like, whatever the reason why more people have autism today, I'm sure there's a bunch of people that think it's vaccines, there's a bunch of people who think it's environmental issues, there's a bunch of people who think it's-

Theo Von 55:13 Think it's Chick-fil-A some people, probably.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Could be. Could be Doritos.

Theo Von 55:17 I'll take it though, dude. It's so fucking good. There's no way you wouldn't take some Chick-fil-autism if they had it, bro. You know what I'm saying? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:24 (laughs)

Theo Von 55:25 If you like, every now and then just a weird guy runs out of the back room with a s- couple of pickles on his back, dude, I'd fucking be like, "I love this guy no matter what he has," you know?

Joe Rogan 55:35 I totally forgot what I was gonna say.

Theo Von 55:37 Sorry, dude.

Joe Rogan 55:37 But it was... (laughs) . It had something to do with autism that, oh, what we were talking about, like-

Theo Von 55:43 Oh, I think that this is the end of their realm.

Joe Rogan 55:45 No, no, no. So just imagine.

Theo Von 55:46 All right.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Okay. So there's, whatever the reason why there's more cases of autism, most people, I think, will agree there are more cases of autism now than ever before.

Theo Von 55:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 55:58 But what meaningful changes have we done, if any, to try to limit that, or to try to mitigate that, or pull that back? I'm not sure. And what meaningful, like, like, what progress has been made where you're saying, like, "Oh, now we have 20% less autistic kids"?

Theo Von 56:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:16 So if, so if that's not the case and yet we're i- in the greatest technological time that we've ever been aware of, and people have more access to information now than ever before, why, why is it moving in that direction? And maybe that is a natural thing. Maybe all this transgender shit where everybody's like, "Oh my God, like, I am so sick of hearing there's boys and there's girls," and that's it. Maybe when you find out about plastics and the things that's happening to the human body because it's fucking with our endocrine system and it's, uh, it- it's shrinking people's genitals, and shrinking people's taints, and it's lowering testosterone levels-

Theo Von 56:53 Oh my God, I didn't even know that.

Joe Rogan 56:53 ... and causing more, more miscarriages, causing more miscarriages. If you were watching this play out, if you were not connected to us-

Theo Von 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:01 ... and if you were, like, from another planet and you were like, "What is this thing doing? Oh." So this is a very complicated animal, and this animal gets involved in various plastics and metals and the, it has a symbiotic relationship with plastics and metals. Where the plastics and metals, it gives them cars and handbags and television sets, but it also robs them of their primal essence and slowly turns them into these genderless, weird creatures that can only survive by replicating through their DNA.

Theo Von 57:38 Dude, well said, bro.

Joe Rogan 57:40 'Cause if you were, if you were looking at it from somewhere else and you were looking at-

Theo Von 57:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:43 ... well, what are we addicted to? We're addicted to electronics and we're addicted to plastic.

Theo Von 57:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:47 We use plastic for everything.

Theo Von 57:49 And we're willing to sacrifice something for it.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Dude, I was reading this whole thing about petroleum in the healthcare industry, and, like, health and wellness, and, like, oils and shit, like, how much petroleum is used in all this. It's everywhere. It's just everywhere. It's b- bizarrely everywhere.

Theo Von 58:07 Petroleum is?

Joe Rogan 58:07 Petroleum is.

Theo Von 58:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:08 So you've got oil and you've got plastics and you've got all of these weird, funky phthalates and chemicals and pesticides and herbicides, and we're all aware of it. We're like, "This is really a problem. This is really a problem." I'm fucking blasting the air.

Theo Von 58:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:24 It's all over your food. Like, this could be a problem. Let's, everyone's on fucking Monsanto. Like, fucking glyphosate is everywhere.

Theo Von 58:31 Yeah, nobody can sleep anymore. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:31 Is, and everyone's like, "Well, we'll certainly get to the bottom of that once we make it safer for queer kids."

Theo Von 58:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:37 (laughs) Like, like, and then slowly we're going to get to a point of no return where our genetics are fucked by our environmental pollutants which have only existed over the last couple hundred years. So our genetics get fucked by these environmental pollutants and, like, giant changes in human testosterone levels-

Theo Von 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... just from the 1970s. Giant changes.

Theo Von 58:57 Oh yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Yeah. So I think th- if you're on that path, and you're, you're clearly on that path. We are, we are, as a human race, we're clearly on that path.

Theo Von 59:06 Fast.

Joe Rogan 59:07 And we're also, at the same time, on the path of artificial intelligence. It's like, how much time do we really have? How much time do we really have here?

Theo Von 59:17 What if this, though? What if-

Joe Rogan 59:18 What?

Theo Von 59:18 ... a trans kid ... How many trans people are there?

Joe Rogan 59:23 They're all trans now. Everybody.

Theo Von 59:25 Right. What if this-

Joe Rogan 59:26 The whole country is trans.

Theo Von 59:27 What if this-

Joe Rogan 59:28 I think they've backed off, a lot of it, a lot of people have, uh, decided that they really didn't wanna do it anymore.

Theo Von 59:32 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:34 There's quite a few. And they get, people get mad at them.

Theo Von 59:36 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Which is really wild.

Theo Von 59:37 When they f- when they, um-

Joe Rogan 59:38 People get mad at them for changing their mind.

Theo Von 59:40 Have you interviewed anybody that has gone d- down the surgery path and doesn't, did, and didn't want to have the surgery? Have you ever talked to somebody like that?

Joe Rogan 59:48 No.

Theo Von 59:48 Just curious what that whole, what that world is like?

Joe Rogan 59:50 Look, it's, everybody's got their own weird thing with that-

Theo Von 59:53 W-

Joe Rogan 59:53 ... because the, it's a weird thing. Like, you're, you don't like your sexual organs that you're born with.

Theo Von 59:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:58 You identify with another gender, or at least you think you do.

Theo Von 1:00:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Or at least, like, you identify with what they like more than what the boys like. (sighs) You're probably just gay. And-

Theo Von 1:00:12 Yea-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 ... that's one of the things that they've studied, is when they leave transgender or supposedly transgender, uh, youths and they don't do anything, they eventually become gay men.

Theo Von 1:00:21 Oh, I see.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 It's a big- big percentage of them.

Theo Von 1:00:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Does that mean they're all like that and some people don't j- j- like, genuinely have, like, true gender dysphoria? No. The- they've-

Theo Von 1:00:31 Pfft.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 That's always been a thing, too.

Theo Von 1:00:33 And being gay used to seem like if you were just gay, that was everything. It was like- it was like- but I guess-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Was it everything?

Theo Von 1:00:40 It was like gay didn't- it was like, oh, if you- if you were trans or any- now it's LGBTQI, right? And I'm not- I'm not-

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Oh, there's also, yeah, there's intersex-

Theo Von 1:00:49 Plus.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 There's two, plus.

Theo Von 1:00:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 What is plus?

Theo Von 1:00:52 Huh?

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Which one is plus?

Theo Von 1:00:53 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 I know two is Two-Spirit, which is my favorite.

Theo Von 1:00:57 Really? I know I'm gonna meet-

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Two-Spirit. They took the kooky Two-Spirit people in. (laughs)

Theo Von 1:01:01 The Native Americans?

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 No. Two-Spirit is, like, a- a- a very specific, like, let's Google it. Two-Spirit is, like, you think of, like, foxkin or some shit like that.

Theo Von 1:01:11 Oh, yeah, yeah. People-

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Well, they- they- I- this is where I found out that, I- I might be fucking up what Two-Spirit is.

Theo Von 1:01:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 But this is where I found out about this stuff, because, uh, my- a buddy of mine-

Theo Von 1:01:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 ... who lives in Utah, his wife, uh, worked at a public school. And he told me that she told him that they were having a meeting because one of the parents had, uh, proposed putting a litter box in the bathroom because their kid thinks it's a cat.

Theo Von 1:01:39 Oh, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Uh, and he told me that.

Theo Von 1:01:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 I talked about it on podcasts. And people started saying that that was transphobic and this is a transphobic lie. And I was like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."

Theo Von 1:01:51 So it wasn't a real story you mean?

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 What does that have to do ... But wh- hold s- f- first of all, what does that have to do with transgender? What does it have to do with that? You're talking about someone who thinks they're a cat. Well, how is that transphobic?

Theo Von 1:02:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 And then I realized, like, th- oh, there's a lot of things connected in this one group that are not the same thing. Like, they're just trying to lump in every idea. Like, say if you only have, like, you know, the electoral college, you get, like, a couple points in this state. But if you win in, like, 10 fucking states, you got a big coalition you can get-

Theo Von 1:02:20 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 ... in the White House.

Theo Von 1:02:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 You know? So it's like if ... You can't ... Just transgender people on their own, too many people are like, "No, you can't go into the women's room. Get out of here." But then you add them to the gays.

Theo Von 1:02:31 Oh, I see.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 You add them to the queers, which is like, what does that mean? You know? And then if you're- you're-

Theo Von 1:02:36 Then you have more of a buffet of folks.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 What is that? Are you i- in ... Okay. Two-Spirit people, may be straight, gay, bisexual, asexual or queer.

Theo Von 1:02:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. They're the people that want to pretend the most. "I'm everything. I'm a boy, I'm a girl-"

Theo Von 1:02:49 Right. They want to play the shell game kind of.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 "... I'm a straight, I'm ..." You're a fucking narcissist probably.

Theo Von 1:02:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 You're probably a loon. Or maybe you really have this Two-Spirit thing. I don't know.

Theo Von 1:02:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 But there's a variety of things that are true at the same time. You know?

Theo Von 1:03:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 You're gonna have people that are kooky and you're also gonna have people that unfortunately really do wish they were born a girl.

Theo Von 1:03:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Both those things are real. But the thing about us as a species, if you're looking at these drops that are all clearly established markers in terms of testosterone levels, miscarriages, um, men who are, um, incapable of having children, low sperm counts, smaller testicles and penises. Like, we're moving in the gen- we're moving in a direction of looking like those fucking aliens.

Theo Von 1:03:36 Well, that's what I've- I've said this for years. If you look at an alien-

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 Right.

Theo Von 1:03:39 ... their head is big.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:03:41 'Cause that's the only thing that's going still.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:03:43 And their body is this useless sort of fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:03:46 ... uh, Christmas ornament.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Spindly. Spindly, genderless thing. And not-

Theo Von 1:03:51 Yeah, they pi-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Genderless, like no tits, no ass.

Theo Von 1:03:52 That's stuck under a weighted blanket too probably, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 (laughs) Trapped.

Theo Von 1:03:55 Bro, if you want to s- stop an alien, throw one weighted blanket on that bad boy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Well, I bet they don't interact with things.

Theo Von 1:04:03 Of course they don't because everything happens in their head.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:04:05 It's all built in at that point.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:04:07 Why do you even eat if you can just blink and cum or whatever?

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Yeah. (laughs)

Theo Von 1:04:09 And you just, you know, you fucking blink again and you have a mortgage.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:04:13 And then you fucking cough and your fucking parents are deceased. It's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 There's no non- non-aware language. You- you- you speak every language. You know every fact about everything on Earth at any given moment. It's all in your head.

Theo Von 1:04:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 There's no questions.

Theo Von 1:04:29 There's no ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 You have no dick.

Theo Von 1:04:31 Yeah, who needs it?

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 You have no mouth. You can't even enjoy food. You have (laughs) no mouth.

Theo Von 1:04:34 Yeah, dude. Well ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 (laughs)

Theo Von 1:04:36 If I got a dick- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 (laughs)

Theo Von 1:04:36 ... and you got a mouth, dude-

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Let's party.

Theo Von 1:04:38 ... food's- food's second. Okay?

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Let's party. (laughs)

Theo Von 1:04:41 I'm catching a BJ. I really could get a ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 From a fucking alien? Imagine getting head from an alien. Imagine you wake up and you're in the middle of the night and, like, you're having this crazy sex dream. And you're like, "Oh, my God." Like, you- you're getting ... Like, you ever have a dream where you're having sex?

Theo Von 1:04:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 You think- you think in the dream you're actually having sex.

Theo Von 1:04:58 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Like, it feels real. Guys come in their pants.

Theo Von 1:05:00 Oh, I had a dream. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:05:01 I was on an airplane one time, dude. I was flying to Philadelphia, right? And I had a dream (laughs) that I was doing oral sex, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:05:09 And, uh, and I was just kind of like that in the air and this old dude fucking shook me and he's like, "Get it together."

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Whoa.

Theo Von 1:05:16 I was on the plane. It was just-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 He told you to get it together?

Theo Von 1:05:18 Well, yeah. I was eating air pussy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 Were you slurping? (laughs)

Theo Von 1:05:20 (laughs) Yeah, dude. What are you talking about? Yeah. I think at that point-

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 (laughs)

Theo Von 1:05:24 ... at that point it's okay if somebody shakes you.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Imagine if you open your eyes and an alien was blowing you.

Theo Von 1:05:28 Oh. I bet it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 I mean, you just feel trapped. You're paralyzed. The alien is just sucking your dick, looking you in the eyes, just-

Theo Von 1:05:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 ... big insect eyes, just ...

Theo Von 1:05:36 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Could you imagine?

Theo Von 1:05:38 N- no, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Bro, fuck Stephen King.

Theo Von 1:05:41 I'm not-

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 That's a real horror movie.

Theo Von 1:05:43 Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 That's ... Could you imagine you're paralyzed and an alien is sucking your dick?

Theo Von 1:05:47 What sound does it make? I bet it makes a sound like a-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Slurpee. Like ...

Theo Von 1:05:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 They- they over exaggerate.

Theo Von 1:05:53 Doo-doo-dee-doo-doo-doo-doo.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 They give you, like, a characterized version-

Theo Von 1:05:56 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 ... of our porn films.

Theo Von 1:05:57 (sucking noises) Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 We know they like it when you make a lot of noise. They're gonna be gagging.

Theo Von 1:06:02 (gagging noises) (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 (laughs)

Theo Von 1:06:06 But they're not even moving. It's just the feeling of making the noise. Or it also has that light. You know, like, whenever you make a Xerox copy of something and that fucking light goes down and back?

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Theo Von 1:06:14 It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 Ugh. I don't even want that. Dude, what it was I seen the other day? They were having m- uh, gay, uh, animals now. Is that- They were having gay ani- what are you saying? If you pull that up, Jimmy, if you see anything of it. (laughs) Or that animals- What kind of request is that? Well, I'm just saying if you see, um- Bro, animals fuck couches. They fuck your leg. Okay. You ever have a dog? Well some of them- Dogs will grab ahold of your leg. They know your leg isn't a female, dog. They don't care. They grab ahold of your leg. Does that mean he's gay? Well- No, it means he's crazy horny. But no, I was seeing something where they were trying to have a ho- it's like a upscale meat or beef that comes from a gay... Why- (laughs) this one, hold on to this. Why are scientists- Yeah, gay animals. ... ignoring all the gay animals? Go down to that because it's a fucking- (laughs) It's a great question. There's a study ... This, this is like those, that James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, Peter Boghossian thing. Uh, what does it, what does it say? Can I read the, the headline? Why are scientist ignoring all the gay animals? Yep. Imagi- (laughs) imagine, like, you're a scientist and, you know, you're trying to figure out how old the universe is. And that, that's the complaint you read first thing in the morning. (laughs) And you're like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey! There's other shit to worry about!" "Hey! You telling me this otter ain't a homosexual?" (laughs) I'm trying to figure out how old the fucking universe is! That's why. There's not a lot of federal funding for gay animals. (laughs) Oh, there is now I bet. (laughs) Bro, you have to get funding for this stuff. I'm sure we spent a bill on it, dude. Yo, that was, uh, another thing that was crazy about the Harris campaign, was, uh, when you found out that they can pay activist groups. They give, give donations to activist groups, like large sums of money. Like hey- To activist groups? Like, what? So these people will endorse them. Oh, I see. There's an accusation that she gave, uh, what's that dude's name who's on N- MSNBC? The old dude? Don Leonard? No, no, no, no, no. (laughs) Don Leonard? You combined two names. Don Lemon? And who ... Sugar Ray Leonard. Don Lemon. That's what you did. (laughs) Yeah, yeah, dude. No. Hey, bro. (laughs) But hey- No, Al Sharpton. Don's got a- That guy. Don's got a little more sugar than Ray Leonard, I think. (laughs) To be honest. No judgment, dude. But I'll tell you this- Bro, that's maple syrup. Gay animal m- (laughs) Bro, gay animal meat is gonna be the new thing. You're telling me you're at a restaurant, right? Right. They'll bring you- And- ... a gay lamb. And they're like, "Hey okay, you can have this lamb." Yeah. $70, this shank. Or you could have this sweet little lamb shank over here. (laughs) Yeah, this lamb. For 90 bucks. Yeah. (laughs) The best of both worlds. So it's got the firmness of male. Yeah. But it also has that sweet tenderness of female. (laughs) Yeah, it's also been basted from the inside. (laughs) You know? I think there's- (laughs) You telling me you're not gonna get a gay steak, dude, for an extra 20 bucks? You're not gonna try it? Well, especially if you're LBGT friendly. You want to support the gay steak market. You have to. (laughs) Yeah. That's their next thing though. What if they're like, they start cheating though and encouraging straight cows to fuck each other?

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 (laughs) Yeah. Just because it's more ... 'cause why they ... (laughs) because they realize there's more money in gay steaks? Yeah. (laughs) You're like, "I'll take a steak." They're like, "Is he gay?" Like, like listen. You're like, "He fucking better be, buddy." In the, in the attention market that is social media, there has to be a few people out there that are pretending to be gay that aren't. Like here's a good example. Oh, for sure. Here's a good example. There were a bunch of girls, and people got mad at them because their hot female OnlyFans girls, and they started putting fake dicks in their, in their pants. Okay. And pretending that they're trans 'cause that was getting them a lot more views. Oh. So apparently the way to get a lot of views is to be a really hot trans person. Hm. Like, really hot trans people are in right now. Oh? Like, really hot like a girl, like a super hot girl, with a hog on you. With that smoker- Big old, big old hog on you. (laughs) So people got mad and started saying that my identity is not your costume. Like, the actual trans people. Like cultural appropriation, kinda? Yeah, but like, hey! Right. Aren't you doing that? (laughs) Are you doing that? You have a dick and you're saying you're a girl, and then these girls who don't have a dick are putting a dick on, and you're saying you can't do that. Oh, so they're all- This is crazy. (laughs) Yeah, it's like we're caught in a blender, dude. Dude, I heard- First of all, it's very shortsighted because you should be pro trans even if it's fake trans. Right. If you ... That would make more people into trans people, that'd be better for everybody. Right, no matter what. Now, are some people ... It's the famine thinking. Are there really some people ... Are people born with wiener and breast? Is that a real thing? I have not heard of that, but I know that some guys do have problems with their breasts. Like,