Joe Rogan Experience #2254 - Mel Gibson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. MGMel Gibson0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All right, we're rolling. What's cracking?

   4. MGMel Gibson0:14

      Oh, man. My back just now, it just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      (laughs)

   6. MGMel Gibson0:17

      ... holy shit. It's fantastic.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      What is going on with your back? You, you've, you have, like, you've had back issues in the past, right?

   8. MGMel Gibson0:22

      Oh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      We talked about that the last time you came on.

   10. MGMel Gibson0:24

       Well, I was born scoliotic, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah.

   12. MGMel Gibson0:27

       So it's like a... I bought just, I just bought my own pen along so I could click the shit from it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       (laughs)

   14. MGMel Gibson0:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Here, take all devices away from me.

   16. MGMel Gibson0:36

       I can't believe, I can't believe you remember. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       (laughs) You remember clicking on the pen? That's hilarious.

   18. MGMel Gibson0:43

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm, I'm a fidget, you know, so I, uh, let me take everything off.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       (laughs)

   20. MGMel Gibson0:49

       So... So... (laughs) It's, it's not good. Oh, yeah, uh, born, born slightly scoliotic and then, of course, I banged myself up over the years, you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Of course. What can you... What, when the... Do they do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis?

   22. MGMel Gibson1:02

       They do, because I don't wanna do surgery.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah.

   24. MGMel Gibson1:05

       Once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   26. MGMel Gibson1:08

       ... there's no going back, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Especially the back.

   28. MGMel Gibson1:10

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Backs are rough. I'd nev- never met anybody that had, like, fusions or anything where it turned out good.

   30. MGMel Gibson1:15

       No. And, like, Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine, he said, "In any ailment, look first to the spine." And it was like, he's kinda right.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. MGMel Gibson15:00

      peoples who you ... And because they're not speaking your language, you totally kind of buy it, and you can buy the horror and, and the primal nature of, of the story you want to tell.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MGMel Gibson15:10

      And s- and really, it's just a series of fears, one after the other. You know, being chased by, you know, scary guys, or, uh, wi- eaten by wild animals, or, you know, hit by, pff, blowgu- you know, blowgun.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      Yeah.

   5. MGMel Gibson15:24

      It's all, like, uh, a series of these things. But I think, (clears throat) basically, what I was doing was trying to talk about our time now, and the civilization that we live in, and how close are we to collapse, and what are the things that lead to collapse, you know? It's environmental stuff. It's, um, human sacrifice.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      Yeah.

   7. MGMel Gibson15:45

      I mean, we do that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      Kinda.

   9. MGMel Gibson15:47

      We do.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah.

   11. MGMel Gibson15:48

       Yeah, we do.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       We just dress it up.

   13. MGMel Gibson15:51

       Yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       (clears throat) When you find out medications are killing people, and they keep prescribing them, and they do it for money, that's a kind of sacrifice.

   15. MGMel Gibson15:58

       It is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       When you find out that wars are ch- irresponsible.

   17. MGMel Gibson16:01

       They're not just wars.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Not just.

   19. MGMel Gibson16:03

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       They're, they're for money.

   21. MGMel Gibson16:05

       And we send our young people over there to-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Yeah.

   23. MGMel Gibson16:07

       ... to die.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Mm-hmm.

   25. MGMel Gibson16:09

       Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for not.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       Yeah.

   27. MGMel Gibson16:12

       I mean, I have, I love the s- I love the warrior. I do. I love the warrior, but I hate the war, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Yeah.

   29. MGMel Gibson16:19

       And, um, you know.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Well, we hate, we hate an unjust war.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. MGMel Gibson30:00

      And, uh, they, people do feel free to beat up on it.

   2. NANarrator30:03

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MGMel Gibson30:04

      Even I do when I see it's like, you know, when it's not fair-

   4. NANarrator30:08

      Right.

   5. MGMel Gibson30:08

      ... or when I think it's off, you know?

   6. NANarrator30:09

      Right.

   7. MGMel Gibson30:10

      Like, uh, you know when they appoint some cardinal in some diocese and he's been covering up for, like, people who were child molesters-

   8. NANarrator30:18

      Yes.

   9. MGMel Gibson30:18

      ... or s- you know, like Theodore McCarrick or Cardinal Wuerl-

   10. NANarrator30:21

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MGMel Gibson30:21

       ... or those kind of guys. I mean...

   12. NANarrator30:22

       Or the Pope.

   13. MGMel Gibson30:23

       Yes.

   14. NANarrator30:23

       Yeah.

   15. MGMel Gibson30:24

       Absolutely. I'm, um-

   16. NANarrator30:25

       Benedict.

   17. MGMel Gibson30:26

       Uh, not Bennie... Well, he was covering up, but like s-

   18. NANarrator30:28

       Yeah.

   19. MGMel Gibson30:28

       ... so is the guy now. And, uh-

   20. NANarrator30:30

       Is he really?

   21. MGMel Gibson30:30

       Well, yeah-It's, it's not great.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       I thought he was, like, the more progressive pope.

   23. MGMel Gibson30:35

       Oh, he's very progressive, yes, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       But he's covering up for stuff as well?

   25. NANarrator30:39

       (clears throat)

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Well, they, uh, they all are. I mean, it's a, it's a w- a dark institution-

   27. MGMel Gibson30:43

       (sniffs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       ... in a lot of ways-

   29. MGMel Gibson30:44

       It-

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       ... 'cause it's history.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   No. Well, a few…

   1. MGMel Gibson45:00

      good.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      No. Well, a few of those will explain a lot.

   3. MGMel Gibson45:04

      Yes, it does.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Yeah. And we didn't know that, you know, back then. That's why i- it always drives me crazy in a movie when someone gets hit over the head with a gun and knocked out, and then five minutes later, they're fighting, and they're fine.

   5. MGMel Gibson45:14

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      You know, it's like-

   7. MGMel Gibson45:14

      Or shot-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Yeah.

   9. MGMel Gibson45:15

      ... in the arm, you know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       (laughs)

   11. MGMel Gibson45:16

       They're gonna kill you. You know. I, that always makes me laugh too, but we used to do it, you know? We used to do it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Well, you kind of have to, right?

   13. MGMel Gibson45:22

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       It's like part of the whole thing of telling a movie. You gotta-

   15. MGMel Gibson45:26

       Sure. I mean, Michelle-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       It's a special kind of disability.

   17. MGMel Gibson45:28

       ... Michelle Dockery even brains Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       Yeah.

   19. MGMel Gibson45:31

       ... at one point, and it's like... (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Yeah.

   21. MGMel Gibson45:33

       He's back, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Brains him, shoots him.

   23. MGMel Gibson45:36

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       It's, uh, it's a lot.

   25. MGMel Gibson45:37

       He's a cockroach. You can't kill him.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       (laughs)

   27. MGMel Gibson45:39

       It takes a lot more. We'll... You'll find out. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Yeah. But, uh, we're w- you know, f-... People used to think that concussions were just something you recover from, like no big deal.

   29. MGMel Gibson45:50

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       You get a concussion, take a break for a little while, you'll be fine.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MGMel Gibson1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Yeah.

   3. MGMel Gibson1:00:01

      "There's fuck all I can do about this. I have to appeal to something better than me." And that, to me, is a miracle.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah.

   5. MGMel Gibson1:00:08

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Well, it's a very uniquely human thing, the ability to course correct, and also just the, the concept of addiction in the first place.

   7. MGMel Gibson1:00:15

      Sure.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      You know? It's a very uniquely human thing, that we all know that there's dark roads our mind can go down. And then we wonder, like, "What is the purpose of these dark thoughts?"

   9. MGMel Gibson1:00:24

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       "What is the purpose of this destructive behavior that we're, we're all prone to in some way, shape, or form?"

   11. MGMel Gibson1:00:31

       What is the purpose of everything?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Yeah.

   13. MGMel Gibson1:00:33

       I mean, like, really.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       Right.

   15. MGMel Gibson1:00:34

       I mean, "Why am I here? What's the meaning of this?" And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Yeah.

   17. MGMel Gibson1:00:38

       ... I'm looking for purpose, and, and, uh, what is it we're here for? I think ... You know, we have to leave some stuff. But you have to leave some good stuff. You can leave plenty of bad stuff, you know? And it's, uh ... And we're all prone that way. I often think about, you know, the human race as a whole, you know? You think about guys like, you know, Stalin or Hitler-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Mm-hmm.

   19. MGMel Gibson1:01:00

       ... or Chairman Mao, or the ... And I'm, I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna be sharing a cell in the afterlife with those guys, you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       Right.

   21. MGMel Gibson1:01:08

       I don't know where I'll be on the ladder, but, uh ... Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       Depends on how you end up, right?

   23. MGMel Gibson1:01:14

       Well, that's it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Yeah.

   25. MGMel Gibson1:01:16

       It really is. It-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Yeah.

   27. MGMel Gibson1:01:17

       It's like, you know. And we're allowed to make mistakes, and we do. We are so flawed. And I am, I, I'm more flawed than anyone, you know?... but it's, uh, um, something that you, I think... And it's pretty safe to say I'm in the third act now. You're in act two, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MGMel Gibson1:01:33

       Gesundheit, but-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       (laughs)
6. 1:15:00 – 1:19:32

   It's not. …

   1. MGMel Gibson1:15:00

      stuff like that, like, you know, the, you know, the icebergs melting and the water overflowing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:05

      It's not.

   3. MGMel Gibson1:15:05

      Ever have a glass full of ice and watched it melt? Did you ever see the glass flow over?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:10

      No.

   5. MGMel Gibson1:15:11

      It takes up less room, you know? So...

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:12

      Yeah.

   7. MGMel Gibson1:15:13

      You know, the, the hot greenhouse, whatever, you know. I don't know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:16

      Well, there's a lotta horseshit that's involved in climate change, for sure. I've studied that, and I've ta- had many discussions over the last four years. The problem with anything is that once a narrative gets established-

   9. MGMel Gibson1:15:27

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

       ... and then there, there's a profit attached to the solution to that narrative.

   11. MGMel Gibson1:15:30

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:31

       And that's green energy and green energy bills, and then there's businesses that are wrapped around there. And then there's also this fear that they love to pump into people about climate change, that, you know, they terrify the shit outta young people that we're gonna destroy the world, and climate change, you must act now. And then you become beholden to the political party that is espousing these ideas.

   13. MGMel Gibson1:15:51

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       And then they're, your enemy is the deniers of this science-

   15. MGMel Gibson1:15:55

       Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:56

       ... even though you don't even understand the science.

   17. MGMel Gibson1:15:58

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:58

       And did you see The Washington Post, uh, article that they published recently about, uh, temperature change on Earth?

   19. MGMel Gibson1:16:05

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:16:06

       Well, there's a down, th- like, what they've realized is over the last, you know, X amount of thousands of years that the temperature on Earth is plummeting.

   21. MGMel Gibson1:16:16

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:16:16

       And it's dropping. And then when they look at the, the dips, this is the most important thing for anybody that's really freaked out about climate change. Th- there's no static temperature of Earth ever.

   23. MGMel Gibson1:16:29

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:16:29

       There's never been a time where it maintains a temperature until human beings came along and fucked it all up.

   25. MGMel Gibson1:16:35

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16:35

       That is just not real.

   27. MGMel Gibson1:16:36

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:16:36

       Before human beings ever existed, if you trust these core samples, there's been a giant rise and fall and this constant dip in-

   29. MGMel Gibson1:16:45

       I think it's-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:16:45

       There it is.

Episode duration: 2:20:58