Joe Rogan Experience #2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

Dr. Mark Gordon is an expert in the field of neuroregenerative medicine and the treatment of Traumatic Brain Injuries. www.millenniumhealthstore.com This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Get working on a better you with therapy. Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/JRE today to get 10% off your first month. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using http://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit http://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org (CT) or visit http://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: http://dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.

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Jan 24, 20252h 37mWatch on YouTube ↗

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(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…
1. NANarrator
  (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Rob Doc Lord, good to see you again, my friend.
3. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Hey. It's always great to be here.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  It's been a while. It's been a while.
5. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  (clears throat) Uh, four years. January 8th, I ... No, January 15th.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Was it really?
7. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah, not long ago.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Four years, geez.
9. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah. It's been four years.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  The last time, you were here, right?
11. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Uh, correct.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  I think the last tour was here.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That was, so that was, like, right after ... A couple of months after I moved here.
15. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Moved here, yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, so almost exactly four years.
17. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy.
19. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Well, waiting was great.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Waiting?
21. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Because I ... Waiting. I mean, the time, four years-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
23. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  ... waiting to have another chat with you 'cause so much has gone on since, uh, last we met.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Wh- Well, tell me. What's gone on?
25. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Well, uh, (laughs) where do you want to start? A? Z? (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Anywhere.
27. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Anywhere. Uh, let's see. You know, the family's expanding.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  You know, that which is great. All three daughters have, uh, been married and each has a grandchild, which is making me feel old, so I've ramped up, stepped up my hormonal treatment to keep me on edge because I wanna be a lot ... around a lot longer to take care of these kids or to be with the kids. They're just 16 months, but they're still fantastic, unbelievable.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  That's awesome.
15:00 – 30:00
This was, like, fraud…
1. MGDr. Mark Gordon
2. JRJoe Rogan
  This was, like, fraud in scientific research.
3. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Just recently. Yeah, this is recent.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  How a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research.
5. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  But it's, but it's one paper, and what was the focus of?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, okay. June 2024 landmark Alzheimer's research-
7. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Beta amyloid.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... paper toward, yep, uh, was retracted due to fraud allegations. Do we waste billions of dollars and thousands of hours of scientists' time? Maybe not. There are new potentially hopeful drugs on the market targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta. The review video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here. So what is the fraud itself, Jamie? Does it say? So you can find an article that's just not a video, not attached to a video?
9. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Well, fake beta amyloid data. See, they've been relying on beta amyloid as being the focus, and what they're finding is the treatment that addresses beta amyloid, the antibody against beta amyloid, people are still getting, uh, progression of the disease.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I understand this, but I just want to know what the f- what the fraud was.
11. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Oh, okay.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  So what is the fraud? Amyloid hypothesis, scroll down a little bit, Jamie. What's the fraud? Where does it get to the, what, what did the paper bullshit about?
13. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Putting it into perspective.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. Do, do, do, do, do, do. Okay. 56 paper lead to, uh...
15. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  But later publishing failed to find-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Where's the fucking, where's the fraud? What's it say?
17. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  Uh, let me try a different search.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, just find out, like, what was the-
19. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  This doesn't look right.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  This seems, like, very involved. This is a science journal.
21. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  All right, start over.
22. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Well, you know that in, (clears throat) there are papers that have been written about reproducibility.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
24. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Reproducibility is where a researcher does a paper, makes a claim about the results of his science, and then people look at that, and they want to go and reproduce it to prove it. They found that 70% of them can't be reproduced, and when you looked at the actual scientist who did the original work, goes back and tries to reproduce it, 7% failure rate. So there are major publications that have talked about this reproducibility error. I mean, you can go on to, you know, Google Scholar or else into Google and look at, uh, reproducibility.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, here it is. But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of Ma- Masilla, how do you say his name? Masilla, Massei-
26. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Mas, Masella, you were great.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... Meslia, Masllia, Masilla. Masilla's research, uh, science investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified Western blots, images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue. Numerous images seem to have been inappropriately reused within the, uh, within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals, describing divergent experimental conditions. After Science brought initial concerns about Maslia's work to their attention, the neuroscientists and forensic nan- analysists specializing in scientific work who had previously worked with Science produced a 300-page dossier revealing a steady stream of suspect images between 1997 and 2023 in 132 of his published research papers. Science did not pay them for their work. In our opinion, this pattern of anomalous data raises credible concern for research misconduct and calls into question a remarkably large body of scientific work.
28. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Okay. So, it seems like the fact that he was reusing the same inj- images-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  ... stating that they were new images.
30:00 – 45:00
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3. JRJoe Rogan
  L'chaim.
4. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  But we are...... responsible adults.
6. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Am I entitled to a refill?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes, sir. Yeah.
8. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Okay.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  There you go. Get in there you fucking drunk.
10. NANarrator
  (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
12. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  I took my glutathione.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I know you did. I know you did.
14. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  You know-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Psh.
16. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  I, I apologize. I finally went back and listened to our first podcast, 438, from August 8th, 2012.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm. Damn, that long ago?
18. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Wild. Wild.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  13 years ago?
20. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Wild. It was wild. And the thing that stuck out was the glutathione. So, I started this morning with my glutathione.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
22. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  'Cause I knew we were gonna finish this bottle. (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, well, I'm not finishing that bottle. There's not a chance in hell. I have stuff to do.
24. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Oh. We all do.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And I, and I just worked out. Um-
26. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Did you take glutathione?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, I haven't taken it yet, no.
28. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Okay. You want some?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I take it every night. Sure. If you got some, go get me some. I take it, uh, every night. I take liposomal-
30. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  This is nano like... That's what that is.
45:00 – 1:00:00
D- have you seen…
1. JRJoe Rogan
  your bananas."
2. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  D- have you seen where, uh, the ones- the Indians living in the Amazons, they're shooting down the, uh, the monkeys-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
4. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  ... for food?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
6. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They love monkeys.
8. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  They don't need anything. They've- they've already established a- a culture of, uh, hunting, harvesting, and, um, building their homes, or building their, uh, towns.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India.
10. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  India. Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I had been told that in fucking high school. (laughs)
12. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  So what is it?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  It's the children of God. It's, uh, what is the original term of Indios? There's like ... I- I forget the term. Um, but it's not about India. It's just w- they called them Indians because they were the people that were living here in this place that they had named.
14. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  The indigenous.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's w- you know, like, everybody thinks, like, America, you know, like, you think of Native Americans, you know, that we used to call them Indians because they thought we landed in India.
16. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  In India.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Columbus landed in India. Or he thought he landed in India.
18. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Did he really?
19. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  That's what it says, though.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  What's that?
21. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  What's that?
22. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  It says that they had the Portuguese word Indios, but because Columbus was Portuguese.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, but what does that ... there's a term, though. There's a term, like, the people of God.
24. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  Oh.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  The Portuguese word is Indios.
26. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  That's what the A- AI said.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, but there's another term. Uh, the- is something, uh, something that has to do with Indios. See, AI-
28. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  Portuguese Indios.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't ... AI's wrong about stuff sometime. Where did the- the term ...
30. GSGuest (secondary/clip speaker)
  That's why I just t- I just typed in word, the word "origin."
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Hmm. …
1. JRJoe Rogan
2. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  His teeth were ground down because, you know, they're just, they don't live long, and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age.
4. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah. Because no teeth?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  No teeth.
6. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause their teeth are, I mean, they're just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses, and they're constantly mashing and smashing. And over the period of, you know, 11 years, his, his teeth had worn down to the roots.
8. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah. So you've gone after bears?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I've hunted bears before.
10. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  You've hunted bears before?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I've eaten bears before.
12. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  And you've eaten it?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  What's the meat like?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like beef.
16. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  It's-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like a, a, like a, like a pig fucked a cow.
18. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  (laughs)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Like a, maybe a deer fucked a cow. It's, uh, it's good, though. It's good, but it's dependent upon the diet of the animal. So, like, the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they taste so fishy, it's, it's almost intolerable.
20. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  But you could turn them into sausage. You could, with the right spices and stuff. Like, bear sausage is great. But you also has to be- have to be careful because of trichinosis. So you have to make sure-
22. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Oh, yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you cook it to 160-plus degrees.
24. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.... with the parasites.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... to kill off the trichinosis-
26. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause I know several people that got trichinosis from bear meat.
28. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Heart?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's just parasites in your muscles.
30. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
1:15:00 – 1:17:11
And went after them?…
1. JRJoe Rogan
  yards away.
2. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  And went after them?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  No, the other way. It was a black bear.
4. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  It ran away.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Black bears run away.
6. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Smart.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Absolutely.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Well-
10. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Human, run.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. M- well ...
12. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  In any area where the bears get hunted, they run away.
14. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Sure.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you, generally they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska.
16. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  They don't have any experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48-
18. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Wow.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it's not legal to hunt them yet. But they're trying to change that.
20. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Grizzlies.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Grizzlies.
22. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Okay.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Interesting.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Interesting. Great new information for me.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's important to know.
28. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  Yeah. (laughs) In case I go out-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a wild world out there.
30. MGDr. Mark Gordon
  (laughs) Absolutely.

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