The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
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Intro
- NANarrator
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- 0:06 – 2:26
Two Air Force intel veterans explain how they ended up in “The Program” documentary
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Okay, gentlemen, what's happening? Nice to meet you.
- JSJason Sands
Nice to meet you, Steve.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, both you guys were in, uh, The Program, uh, which is, uh, a U- Uh, that's why I wore my Roswell shirt.
- JSJason Sands
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, UFO disclosure documentary, uh, all about what's going on behind the scenes. Why don't you tell everybody before we get started, uh, Jay, tell them w- what your background is, what you do.
- JSJason Sands
I'm a retired master sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years. Uh, retired twenty- or 2007. Um, started off as an airframe guy, ended up in Intel, and that's when things got strange. Um, had my second duty assignment as a Intel guy and got introduced to The Program. And that's how I ended up, uh, in the movie, is I had some, uh, strange experiences that, uh, I could talk about that were unclassified. So, I came forward, and that's where James found me. And, uh, we got along pretty good, and everything's history from there.
- JRJoe Rogan
And Logan, you were in the documentary as well. So tell everybody what you do.
- LLLenval Logan
So I am a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Pull this up to your face.
- LLLenval Logan
Oh, I'm sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's okay.
- LLLenval Logan
So, I'm also a retired master sergeant from the Air Force. Uh, started off as a B-52 crew chief, uh, cross-trained into Intel, uh, retired after 21 and a half, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force. And I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people. And, uh, from that, um, James found out about me (laughs) and said, "Okay, we need to talk." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
So, him and Leslie Kean approached me, and I was like, "Uh, yeah." But I kind of got outted by, by Jay Stratton. He, he, everybody was ganging up around me, and he, around him, and he was like, "Why are you asking me? Logan worked for me." And everybody went, "What?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
And I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LLLenval Logan
And he's, "Okay, I guess I'm out."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, boy. Um, what, so, what, let's start with you, Jay. What was your first introduction to this, uh, whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there's been some contact? Like, what, what was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?
- 2:26 – 4:14
Jason’s childhood UFO sighting: a silent red orb and a reflective craft
- JSJason Sands
I had had a, a, a childhood experience with a UFO previous to that when I was ten years old. So I, I didn't really get an interest in UFOs at all. I just thought it was strange. Uh, it was also a, a shared experience with my mother. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
What was the experience?
- JSJason Sands
Uh, well, it was just a red orb that came down. It looked like it came from the atmosphere, you know, distance, and then kept approaching, uh, my bedroom window, uh, and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street. And I was screaming to my parents, you know, "There's a strange light outside," and nobody responded. So I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad's binoculars, and ran out to the front lawn. Finally, my mom was the only one that responded. And we both got to see it taking off as it hit, came across the, the rooftop of, uh, my friend Eddie's house at the bottom of the street. And, uh, that's what she got to see, my mother and I.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did it make any noise?
- JSJason Sands
Zero noise. No, it just looked like a total mirror, completely polished mirror kind of, uh, oblong kind of a, a ship or craft.
- JRJoe Rogan
How big was it?
- JSJason Sands
It was about 30, 35 foot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JSJason Sands
Maybe even 40 foot. Yeah, it was about the, half the size of my friend's rooftop, uh, if you were to measure it from front to back. So, it was pretty big. It was enough for probably your eye to stand up in it and walk around a little bit.
- JRJoe Rogan
And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?
- JSJason Sands
Yes. Actually, I'm, I'm st- I've been asked to write a book, so I've got her, her writing her part of that, and I'll have the same thing. I've had a, another couple of experiences that my family members and other friends will probably write up some...
- JRJoe Rogan
And so this was all when you were young, and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government. But when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?
- 4:14 – 9:49
First ‘program’ confirmation: intercepted calls about an NHI named “Eben” and lab interviews
- JSJason Sands
Uh, well, I know I was on mission, because I, I just kind of filed away that UFO experience at ten years old for many years. And I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my m- my mind or eyes or something. But anyway, um, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at Wright-Patt on a mission, when I was in The Program and we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about, uh, an NHI presence in The Program. And they were working in labs.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, Wright-Patt for everybody, Wright, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, NHI, non-human intelligence, right?
- JSJason Sands
That's correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so they were saying... What were they saying? W- how much can you say? Like, and is any of this top secret, or is any of this-
- JSJason Sands
I can pretty much talk to you about the culture and the presence of the NHI, but I can't talk about w- like, weapon systems and the technology they're developing. That's all gonna have to be national security stuff, because we don't want our enemies to know what we got.
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course. Um, so what was this, uh, this talk of NHI? What did it entail-
- JSJason Sands
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
... when you first heard it?
- JSJason Sands
Well, it was between two people that were, uh, talking about the day's interview with this NHI that they had. They called him Eben. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
He had an interview?
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. He had had an interview with him, and he was relaying what was talked about in that interview to another individual, uh, probably his boss or somebody that is gonna, you know, pass it on to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see, see this written down?
- JSJason Sands
I did not. I, I had had it recorded just like you would with anything else that's, you know ... It, it, it's recorded in su- in such a way that it can stand legal forensic kind of analysis. That, that's the level of stuff that you have to do with an Intel guy, is you have to be really-... specific about what you're recording and make sure it's accurate. Even whether you believe it or not what's going on, you have to be able to transcribe that word for word the way it goes.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, you heard the recording. That's how you found out about this non-human intelligence thing?
- JSJason Sands
Well, it was an active phone call. W- that's what I did on the red team that I was on-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- JSJason Sands
... for the program, because I was, um, monitoring for the Air Force. And in this case, I'm monitoring for the program.
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you say how the conversation went? Like (laughs) how did-
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... someone bring up non-human intelligence? What was, like... Had y- was there any discussion before this non-human intelligence of UFOs at all or aliens at all?
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. There was, uh, quite a few times. We had an, a scientist on the team who was an officer. He was a nuclear scientist, and he was able to, uh, give us some insights and stuff like that, 'cause we'd have some really strange things, like, uh, things that were turning at 90 degrees and how do you not break that piece of machinery or, um, or not kill the occupants. And they were, we were hearing stuff like that. And they had, like, very technical parameters that I, I can't dis- cannot discuss. But they were talking about these and we'd get the scientist to come talk to us and he's say, "Oh, yeah. That's this, this, and this."
- JRJoe Rogan
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- JSJason Sands
That was just, uh, like, the two of them that, when we, when I picked up the call and started the recording on it, uh, there was some guy that was there at Wright-Patt, and apparently he had been talking to this Eben. And he said, "Yeah, about today's session, uh, yeah, we got some more information you need to hear about. Um, this is what is gonna happen." You know, he says that there's gonna be another meeting, and that, uh, if we don't return their, the equipment and the prisoners, there's gonna be some bad things happen.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We have prisoners."
- JSJason Sands
Yes. This is what they said on the phone call. And the other guy's like, "Well, hey, what if we, we can't get them, you know, to, to return all the equipment and the people?" And the o- and the guy that had given the interview, he's like, "Uh, you don't, you don't want to do that." And the guy's like, "Well, why?" He said, "If you don't, they're gonna be put to death." And I was like ... I, I literally s- stepped back for a minute and I was like, "What's going on here?" So, I had to finish out the call. They, they talked about sundry other things, just stupid stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
C- can you be a little bit more clear, like, who was gonna be put to death?
- JSJason Sands
The program folks that are responsible for keeping the, the tech that's not theirs, and also, you know, doing things to these extraterrestrials.
- JRJoe Rogan
How did they, uh, allegedly acquire this tech?
- 9:49 – 11:52
Retrievals, ‘psionics,’ and corporate interests: how craft are allegedly brought down
- JSJason Sands
Retrievals.
- JRJoe Rogan
Retrievals.
- JSJason Sands
That was... Yeah. When I was first introduced into the program, one of the very first things they asked me was, "Do you want to be part of the retrieval program?" And I said, "Well, tell me about it." And when they said the things they said, I was like, "No. Number one, it sounds gross. Number two, you probably can't get me enough PPE gear and hazmat gear to, to make me feel safe around these things. And no, I'm not interested in that. Thank you very much."
- JRJoe Rogan
So, how do they describe it that it freaked you out that much? They're talking about biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash?
- JSJason Sands
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why do they crash if they're so fucking smart?
- JSJason Sands
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's always the big question, right?
- JSJason Sands
Well, um, you're, I think the, the new guy on the block, uh, uh, Jake Barber, he is describing some of the ways that you can do this psionically. I guess the psionic team is gonna start showing some of that to the world, um, that some of this is, some of these craft are, are manned and piloted by a consciousness. And apparently they have a psionics team that can actually get in the headspace of these craft and cause them to land. Uh, so it's not really a forced landing, it's just kind of a mutual thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, wait a minute. The United States government ha- has the ability to contact or interact with these craft?
- JSJason Sands
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And force them to land?
- JSJason Sands
Yes. And then there's other ones that are done kinetically, um, which is more the scary side of it and the ugly side of the program, is that what you've got here is ... It's not so much the military doing this, but the corporate people like Lockheed, you know, Northrup and all these other companies. They treat this stuff as very high, high value, uh, target kind of stuff, and it's very valuable for them to get the retrievals. So, you've got really what amounts to a bunch of treasure hunters that are hired, with mercenaries involved as well, that go out for these retrievals. And that's where Jake Barber comes in, is that he sees some of these people that are hired to come out and retrieve this stuff, and he's done that.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable 'cause you could back engineer the tech-
- JSJason Sands
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
... figure out how it works, make s-, make weapons systems, make superior crafts.
- JSJason Sands
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
How long has this supposedly been going on for?
- JSJason Sands
Decades. It's been going on for a very long time. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
And, but ... Okay, so if the tech-
- JSJason Sands
Even before I was born.
- 11:52 – 22:16
Why do ‘advanced’ craft crash? Roswell radar, storms, and skepticism
- JRJoe Rogan
But if the tech that we have now that allows us to tell them to land didn't exist before, why did they crash before? Like, what, what is Roswell?
- JSJason Sands
Well, Roswell-... the, the, the most accurate account is the one where, uh, the microwave radar waveform upset the, uh, onboard avionics inside these craft that these NHI were flying on that day in Roswell. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's just ... Radar's just a detection, uh, signal, right?
- JSJason Sands
Right. But if you look at some of the stuff like Garry Nolan said about how, you know, even at the very molecular level, these things are, are organized very minutely. So, you can imagine what even a flow of electricity, if it affects it wrong-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JSJason Sands
... or if it's at the right, right wavelength, it, it does break down the, the electrical current and the electromagnetic or whatever drive that they might have. And that seems to be what happened at Roswell, is that they, they actually accidentally went in, um, and were just sweeping like a radar. And it act- uh, it, it caused this craft to crash.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) What a shit design.
- JSJason Sands
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm saying? Like, imagine, imagine like if you bought a Tesla and the wheels fly off when it rains out.
- JSJason Sands
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You'd be like, "What the fuck? You guys have this like super advanced vehicle that you can come here from another planet-"
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "and radar makes you crash?"
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's ... That kind of stuff makes people incredulous, right?
- JSJason Sands
It does.
- LLLenval Logan
So, I'd like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to say, think of it as there's a type of metal that is totally non-magnetic, but as soon as you put a current through it, it becomes magnetic, all right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
And he said, "Imagine this, you're in Roswell, you're cruising along, you're checking out, everybody go ... doing their thing." And then, 'cause remember that night there was a huge electrical storm. It ... That's one of the big things they keep talking about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
If one of those things gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they're magnetic, (laughs) and then they bounce off. And that's why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah, there were two.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
So, that was what someone told me. Now, I've never been able to figure out if that's the actual truth, but the two most likely possibilities is that one and what Joe just said.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. There's actually another person that was approached by a s- you know, the same race of NHI. Um, and this guy says that they actually recounted what happened is that they thought they were attacked by a directed energy weapon. And then they quickly found out that no, this was just accidental and that this was some sort of a, a, a radar system that just caused their, their onboard computer to go haywire for just that second, enough to cause the crash to happen.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) But if it, it, uh ... It almost doesn't make sense to me, 'cause like, like if you were gonna go visit a non-contacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons. You'd assume they have bows and arrows. And if you got hit with a- an arrow, you'd be like, "This is crazy."
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, "I can't believe I got shot by an arrow." But you wouldn't be surprised if they have arrows. Like you would probably ret-, "Hey man, we should be real careful that they might have arrows."
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"They might shoot us." So, if you're visiting the human race and you're so advanced that in 1947 you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you're doing-
- 22:16 – 28:56
What do ‘they’ want? Multiple factions, controlled interaction, and the “farmers” hypothesis
- LLLenval Logan
So my, my biggest question any, anytime someone brings up NHI aliens, my first thing is, "Which one?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Which one?
- LLLenval Logan
Because they, uh, they talk about it as if it's one entity. "Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this." Or... But when you break it down, we're hearing some like us and want us to evolve, some don't like us and want us to kind of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Pull back.
- LLLenval Logan
... pull back.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. Yeah.
- LLLenval Logan
And they want to control certain things. So I'm like, "Well, which one?" And then they, they look at me with that deer in the headlight look like, "Oh, um, I, I don't know."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. So there's the idea that our superiors, that the, the military, the top levels of government, they... Even they are n- not given all the information.
- JSJason Sands
Correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because probably we're like a bunch of children. You know? We're like, "You're too stupid to figure this out. I'm not gonna tell you what a nuclear bomb is. Just duck and cover."
- LLLenval Logan
However-
- JRJoe Rogan
Get under the table.
- LLLenval Logan
... we could be the greatest show in this part of the universe. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I'm sure we're a great show.
- LLLenval Logan
Yeah. I mean, imagine when we-
- JSJason Sands
It came in a way.
- LLLenval Logan
... when we talk about the, you know, the things with the nuclear bombs where the, the missile silos, they, you know, started counting down or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LLLenval Logan
Maybe it's like, "Hey. Hmm. Let's see how far they'll go if we do this."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LLLenval Logan
And then everybody gets all excited and then they're just like, "Ah, okay. We're just kidding. We'll turn it off and go from there." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, perhaps. I mean, listen, we run experiments all the time on animals. All the time. And we have collars on bears. We set them loose. Like, "Let's follow the bear. Where's he going?"
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
We do that all the time. We do that with all kinds of species.
- JSJason Sands
We do. And I think it's very much-
- JRJoe Rogan
It only makes sense that they would do it with us.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially so... Since we're... We literally have the ability to annihilate all life on Earth and we're pointing at each other.
- LLLenval Logan
Multiple times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 28:56 – 41:48
Evolution, body design, and mind-controlled craft: why many beings are depicted as humanoid
- JRJoe Rogan
Wha- What I'm interested in is are there things just like us? Is this, like, if you, y- you know, like, there's similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world, where ideally the seeds have never been able to get back and forth. But they're similar in, at least in some ways. It's just a matter of climate, resources-
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
These plant, over millions and millions of years, the same kind of plants grow. Similar kind of animals. There's rats all over the place. There's r-
- JSJason Sands
There's a pattern to it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there's a, there's a pattern.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. At atomic level, the, th- that there's a, a way that things occur naturally, and they me- form different things. So, a bird, I agree. I, I think you and I talked about it the first time we spoke on the phone is that, yeah, there probably is a bird, kind of looks like a bird on another part of the universe, but maybe it has, you know, two sets of wings-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JSJason Sands
... or two heads or something. I don't know, just because-
- JRJoe Rogan
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- JRJoe Rogan
... something similar, like, I mean, the birds vary so wi- I mean, you can get a sparrow or you can get a fucking eagle or a condor.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's so many different kinds of birds too.
- JSJason Sands
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I wonder, is there... Is this the only kind of way life evolves, or are there planets that are just radically different than our planet, and life forms in a completely different way?
- JSJason Sands
Yeah. I would think that that's true also, is that there's exceptions to the rule, just like there are here on Earth, that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JSJason Sands
... we've got some really strange creatures that roam around. Like, people are starting to say octopus, octopi, and, and stuff. They don't fit the, the, the normal way that things evolve around-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JSJason Sands
... the Earth and stuff like that.
- LLLenval Logan
And there's no bones there, so, you know, there, you're not gonna find any fossils anywhere-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- LLLenval Logan
... from an octopi.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
But if you think about some of the things that we are t- being told now, 99% of all life that lived before is all gone now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LLLenval Logan
So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there, th- there's something similar. Because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design, because when we see these aliens, when they, whether they talk about it's a Gray, it's a Nordic, it's a Draconian, or if it's a mantis, they're all standing upright. (scoffs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
You know?
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- 41:48 – 1:00:08
CE5-like contact, ‘the woo,’ and why summoning might be risky
- LLLenval Logan
Yeah. I got, I got asked a question, and they said, "If you were gonna go to Congress and say, 'Here's what we need to know about the UAP experience,' what would you tell everybody?"
- JSJason Sands
That's a good question.
- LLLenval Logan
And my answer was, "We don't need you anymore," because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves. Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the, the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people of like you, you said you don't trust the government, there's people they don't trust the government at all in this other thing. So they're like, "Let's reach out by ourselves." You've got people doing, you know, RVing and out of the body experience and all that other stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
You've got people that are being contacted directly, so now they're trying to say, say things. So, and also too we're evolving. So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Uh, n- n- please don't take this the wrong way 'cause people get angry. It's kinda like the Catholic Church. I was always told, "If you wanna talk to God, you talk to God." But then why do I need a priest?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- LLLenval Logan
You know? So, the government's always been the middleman.
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
So... do we really still need him?
- GCGuest (brief third voice, likely clip/insert)
Totally agree with that.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens-
- LLLenval Logan
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... what you're talking about is, like, people sitting down, suppo- this is something I'm hearing a lot lately. Sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out, like, an intention and that they w- they will come.
- LLLenval Logan
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Does that happen with you? You ever try it?
- LLLenval Logan
I haven't, yeah, uh, so... (laughs)
- GCGuest (brief third voice, likely clip/insert)
Why wouldn't you try it? (laughs) If you think it's real.
- LLLenval Logan
(laughs) I- I- I tell everybody I'm Black and I'm afraid of the woo.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
Okay?
- GCGuest (brief third voice, likely clip/insert)
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
Um, but at some point, I know I'm gonna have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So, like, I'm good friends with Travis Taylor, and when we first started talking, uh, he was like, "Okay, I'd like to- to- to talk to you about coming out to the ranch, you and some of your p- uh, your friends, your intel guys."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
And we just, uh, you know, we talked about it. And then I- I kind of put it up in the room and said, "Hey, guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go?" And all the white people put their hands up right away.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- GCGuest (brief third voice, likely clip/insert)
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
And all the Black people were, like, in the corner going, "Now, let's think about this."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
"Now, what are they actually asking?" You know? And I- and I- and I sat there and I go, "Why is it that we're so, you know, reserved about going?" And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it, but you don't run towards it because that, whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else and now you're interfering when you run towards it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, so if you summon the UFO, like if they come to visit you, that's meant to happen to you. But if you're summoning them-
- 1:00:08 – 1:12:15
Separating truth from performance: orbs, TV incentives, and analyst-style vetting
- JRJoe Rogan
I went to Skinwalker Ranch.
- LLLenval Logan
Oh, you did?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JSJason Sands
Wow. How'd that go?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, we, I was doing it for a television show and, uh, we interviewed a bunch of people that lived there. And, uh, one guy... There was a lot of, there was a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed and then when we got there, they chickened out. Uh, it seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding areas.
- JSJason Sands
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, a few people seemed like a little on tilt, but I think that's a good part of, uh, America.
- LLLenval Logan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think there's a lot of people, you could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs. Uh, so I wouldn't say that that was what it was, but this one guy that I talked to didn't seem like that at all. He seemed very respectable. I don't remember what he did-
- JSJason Sands
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... um, but he was a very smart guy, blue-collar guy, and, uh, lived in this, uh, very modest house. And he had this story of this thing, um, that flew into, uh, his yard and through his house. And he said it was a small orb and he said it seemed to be communicating with him. And-
- LLLenval Logan
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
This guy didn't have any other bullshit stories. He didn't have any claims of-
- JSJason Sands
Just the one off.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just this one experience that he said was beautiful, he said was incredible, that this thing seemed like it was alive. It seemed like it was communicating with him. And it went right through the walls and then it-
- LLLenval Logan
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it went through the wall again and disappeared.
- LLLenval Logan
I've had a similar case. So...... every March, I go to Seaside, Oregon, 'cause they have a paranormal conference. And I- I'm not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- NANarrator
So, I wanna listen and I wanna learn, 'cause-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Yeah.
- NANarrator
'Cause this is me get- trying to get over my fear of going in there. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
You have a fear of paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal?
- LLLenval Logan
No, f- uh, the paranormal because of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid. You know, and you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- LLLenval Logan
So when I was there, I was, uh, giving a s- talking about my app and all this other stuff. And these two Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage, and I was like, "Why are they looking at me like that?" I was like, "Is my flies down or something?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- LLLenval Logan
"What did I do?" You know? And as soon as I stepped off the stage, and they said, "Mr., Mr. Logan, what are they? What are they?" And I was like, "What do you mean?" She pulls out, on her phone, the most beautiful, pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I'm like, "What happened there?" And she said, "It was my birthday." And then she said, "All my family was there." And she said, "But I got tired, so I was laying down." And she said, "I heard, like, this electrical discharge going on."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- LLLenval Logan
And she said it came right through her wall, started floating across her room. She said it got to her doorway. She screamed, and all her family came. And the, the son, I guess it was, took the picture of the orb. And I was so amazed by her story, I- I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture and how long-
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