Joe Rogan Experience #2266 - Brian Simpson

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Brian Simpson 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

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Brian Simpson 0:09 (instrumental music) Little things you say. L- like, imagine having to be that measured in, in everything you say all the time. Just stick to the talking points.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Bro, that's my whole life.

Brian Simpson 0:22 Ugh. God, that's stressful.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Yeah, it's super stressful, especially if you're a little intoxicated.

Brian Simpson 0:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:28 You know, you get a couple of whiskeys in you, and you start talking shit. You gotta (laughs) be responsible for every word that comes out of your mouth, even if it's stupid. But, you know, I think people get it. They get what, that people are human beings and they can stumble. Like people w- they forgave a lot of Biden stumbles until they were like, "What the fuck?" You know, a lot of people like in 2020 were like, "There's no way. There's no way he's gonna do it." He was too old to run when it was 2016.

Brian Simpson 0:53 Yeah, but you know, he, he's kind of always been known for the gaffes, like ev- 'cause I remember when (clears throat) when Obama was, picked him, that was like the number one concern was like, "Oh, but he be sometimes-"

Joe Rogan 1:03 Right.

Brian Simpson 1:03 "He be saying shit."

Joe Rogan 1:04 Didn't Obama always, he was famous and quoted as, "Joe, don't worry."

Brian Simpson 1:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07 "Joe will find a way to fuck things up." (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:10 (laughs) Oh, I never heard that bit.

Joe Rogan 1:11 There's supposedly, well, it's hard to know what the quote was, but supposedly-

Brian Simpson 1:16 But he got, but he got out, he got out of all of it. I mean, i-

Joe Rogan 1:19 Yeah. Well, that's because the machine was behind him, right? So he gets into office, and you saw the, the, the Mike Johnson guy, the Speaker of the House? He said that he had talked to him... A- it took a year to have a meeting, and he finally had this meeting with him, and he just want- wanted to talk to him about something, and he said, "Why did you sign this executive order?" And it had something to do with liquid natural gas, and he said, "I didn't sign that." He said, "Yes, you did, sir. You signed it. Can we get it?" And so he has the secretary print it up, he brings it in. He'd never read it, so he was just signing executive orders that he didn't even know. He didn't know what it was about. He thought it was about research, and it was about shutting it down. And so, it, that to me showed there's a bunch of people behind him that want to do things, and they think it's for the best interests of the country, and they're all acting as a big group that's like the puppeteer of the president. And that's not how it's supposed to be. (laughs) It's not supposed to be that way.

Brian Simpson 2:09 But isn't it like that with every president?

Joe Rogan 2:10 I don't know-

Brian Simpson 2:11 I feel like-

Joe Rogan 2:11 ... because I think when a president brings in a new cabinet, and the new cabinet starts doing different things, then you see what's happening right now, right? So they've already found thousands of criminals that had snuck in here and had committed multiple crimes while they were here, and the Biden administration had left them here, and they allowed them to stay in these sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. And Trump's just yanking them out and flying them back to Colombia, and flying them back to Mexico, and flying them back to wherever they're from. Get the fuck out of here.

Brian Simpson 2:40 No, but I, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:40 And exporting them in planes. The Biden administration could have done this too.

Brian Simpson 2:44 Yeah, but I think, I think they, every president that get in there, they do, they do little shit different than the other side.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 2:52 (clears throat) But at the end of the day, the big major shit that would help out the average people, that shit, it always just falls short a couple votes.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Trump is talking about getting rid of income tax and replacing it with tariffs. I asked him about that on the podcast.

Brian Simpson 3:07 What?

Joe Rogan 3:07 I thought he was joking around. Yeah, exactly. He was saying that it would be better for the economy, we'd have way more money if instead of you paying tax, these companies should be paying tax. Like, why are they making such a killing off the American people?

Brian Simpson 3:22 But the companies would just charge us bigger prices, wouldn't they?

Joe Rogan 3:25 Well, here's the thing, could they if we had American manufacturing that can make the same products? No. So the whole like, the whole reason why-

Brian Simpson 3:34 But you can't make the same products for the same price.

Joe Rogan 3:35 But if you have other countries charge tariffs, and I think we've charged tariffs in the past, and it's a, it's an interesting thing. It's like you make a trade agreement. It's essentially a trade agreement, and his position has always been that one side of the trade agreement was unbalanced, and America does a stupid job at negotiating its trade agreements. So he wants tariffs and everything. That's what he, that's what he threatened the guy from Colombia with. He said, 'cause they didn't want to take the prisoners. The flights were coming over and he didn't want to give them approval to land, and he said, "We're gonna tax you. We're gonna tariff you 25%, and then like in a week, we're gonna jack it up to 50%." And this guy wrote like a poem to Trump. It was the most ridiculous thing ever. The guy's a wild dude.

Brian Simpson 4:15 I mean, that's the thing is like if you're bringing the tariffs, you would have to make them so high that, that the American goods were cheaper by comparison.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Well, you'd have to really ramp up American manufacturing in a lot of places. Like, we don't make phones. That's one of the craziest things about America.

Brian Simpson 4:30 We don't make, we don't make anything.

Joe Rogan 4:32 We can't make a phone. We can't even make a phone.

Brian Simpson 4:33 We make mistakes.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Well, I mean, maybe we could make a phone. Doesn't there one phone that is made in America? Is there one phone that's manufactured here? I think there is.

Brian Simpson 4:42 I mean, even if it's assembled here?

Joe Rogan 4:44 Is it the Nothing Phone?

Narrator 4:46 I would say that's American.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Is that it?

Narrator 4:47 I think it might be assembled here. I don't think... I think they still have to get something from somewhere.

Joe Rogan 4:49 They still have to get shit from China.

Brian Simpson 4:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:51 They have to get shit from Taiwan.

Brian Simpson 4:53 The key pieces.

Joe Rogan 4:53 They have to get shit from India. Yeah. Everybody gets their shit from somewhere.

Brian Simpson 4:57 Yeah. I mean, like I said, the problem with American manufacturing is you can't do it for cheap because you have to pay people-

Joe Rogan 5:03 That, no, our problem is-

Brian Simpson 5:05 ... enough to live on.

Joe Rogan 5:05 ... first of all, we're addicted to buying new shit all the time. I have a, I have a bunch of phone lines and one of my phone lines I have an iPhone 11. It's like five years old. I don't notice when I'm using it. Like long as it still works.

Brian Simpson 5:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:22 You don't notice on a normal experience. What do I do with my phone? I'm not fucking making complex video rendering, you know? What am I doing? I'm watching YouTube videos, I'm text messaging people. You don't notice, right? But we're force-fed this idea that you're supposed to get a new one every year. Like it's one of the weirdest things. You get a new TV every year? You get a new computer every year? Why the fuck do you get a new phone every year? But every year they keep pushing us to get a new phone. If you make a phone that's American made more durable and lasts more than a year, it would be worth a premium, and I wouldn't have to feel bad about like slaves in China making it.

Brian Simpson 5:59 Like he makes it so the only phones... They need to bring back the Nokia phones. Remember those brick phones?

Joe Rogan 6:04 ... yes. Well, don't do that. They would just be indestructible. Make it dope. Make it a-

Brian Simpson 6:07 Just make-

Joe Rogan 6:07 ... dope phone. But, you know.

Brian Simpson 6:09 (sighs) I don't know, man. I don't think, I think we've, I think those days are long gone.

Joe Rogan 6:15 The days of American manufacturing?

Brian Simpson 6:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Well, I think with incentives, with government incentives, and people understanding that this competition that we're having is all, um, technologically based, and if all of our technology is getting made in another country, that's essentially a, a national security issue.

Brian Simpson 6:33 See, you, you know, you know what I realize is like why... 'cause sometimes, you know, politics comes up in the green room, and I just... I, I always separate myself from the conversation because I realize what everybody has, regardless of what sides or issues they on (clears throat) is they, y'all have hope.

Joe Rogan 6:50 (laughs) I'm cynical, I'm cynical than a motherfucker. I'll be like, "This shit was over, this shit been... " (laughs)

Brian Simpson 6:54 Th- you know, it's like for, for me, I'm like, I see, I see the asteroid coming.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 6:58 And I'm like, "Ain't nothing we gonna be able to do about that."

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Brian Simpson 8:11 That's right.

Joe Rogan 8:11 I don't know, man. I'm interested to see. Like, if, if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets, uh, gets approved, I'm interested to see.

Brian Simpson 8:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:18 If they start removing pesticides and, uh, herbicides and all these things that are killing people, if people's health improves, if we remove things from the human diet, if just e- start educating people on the importance of diet and exercise, I would love to see that.

Brian Simpson 8:33 Yeah, but you know the problem with that is, like, we live in a society where, like, none of that shit's gonna happen unless they make more money than what we already doing.

Joe Rogan 8:39 That's not necessarily true because you can motivate people. There's a real power in free motivation. And having a government that's, like, promoting health in that way would cause a bunch of people to take that step that they've been thinking about taking. So, a lot of times, motivation doesn't catch you flat. Motivation catches you looking for motivation, right? Like, you want to get your shit together. You're like, "Oh, well, I just fucking need to get to the gym. I just need some-" And then one day, the government, announces that we are going to turn the health of America around, and we are gonna promote a, a national fitness regime. We're gonna start bringing it to, to schools and kids to get people healthier. We're gonna bring in organic food and start feeding kids. When you feed them in public schools-

Brian Simpson 9:27 Didn't Michelle Obama try to do-

Joe Rogan 9:27 ... and you have free lunches.

Brian Simpson 9:28 ... something like that?

Joe Rogan 9:29 Yeah, she did. She got shut down immediately. (snaps fingers)

Brian Simpson 9:31 Yeah, exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:31 They shut her right the fuck down.

Brian Simpson 9:33 Yeah, they were like-

Joe Rogan 9:33 They're like, "Sit down."

Brian Simpson 9:34 ... "Nah, bitch. No, no, no, no. Fuck all that."

Joe Rogan 9:35 "You're gonna fucking kill our profits."

Brian Simpson 9:37 Healthy.

Joe Rogan 9:37 "Fuck this healthy shit."

Brian Simpson 9:38 'Cause the, 'cause that's the other thing. But, but what's different now than, than what was happening back then is we're so divided. If, if somebody in the government suggested anything was the best, the healthiest thing, at least half the country would be like, "I'm not fucking with it for that very reason."

Joe Rogan 9:53 Yep. Yep.

Brian Simpson 9:53 You know? It's like-

Joe Rogan 9:54 You're so right.

Brian Simpson 9:55 Yeah, it's like th- it's like they attached Obama to Obamacare even though it was, it was not a bad thing, right?

Joe Rogan 9:59 Right.

Brian Simpson 9:59 And if, like, if Trump was literally like, "Hey, every, every American, jumping jacks is the best exercise." People would be like-

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 10:05 ... "Ain't doing no jumping jacks."

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 10:07 "That's your president's exercise." So it's like we so divided, nothing's gonna stick.

Joe Rogan 10:12 I also think that the problem with, like, healthcare and a- all these things where people are getting paid, you're dealing with a bunch of different games that are being played inside a game that has a function.

Brian Simpson 10:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:28 And that function is healthcare. Like, it provides healthcare in a kind of shifty, shitty way. But the, but the game it's playing is make the most money. That's the game it's playing. The ga- it's, it's playing a financial game.

Brian Simpson 10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 That's why it's coming up with reasons to deny people and it's using AI to figure out how to deny people. And it, they deny a large amount of claims. So it's-

Brian Simpson 10:53 Mm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:53 You gotta look at it like what it actually is.

Brian Simpson 10:55 Which you know is funny.

Joe Rogan 10:55 It's not that it's all bad, but that th- there's a bunch of different games. Each person in that game is playing their own game. You have thousands of employees. You have thousands of people trying to corporate, climb the corporate ladder and make more money and get promotions and make more money for the company and impress the board. They want a fucking yacht, bro.

Brian Simpson 11:17 I, well, I, I, I'm talking about how much we're divided, but it's weird how that's the one thing they couldn't divide people on. Like, I remember, like, after the, after the, after the TO got popped, like, on CNN and MSNBC-

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 11:30 ... and Fox, the, the narrative was the, like, "How sh- dare people be excited." 'Cause at first they tried to do what they do with everything, and they, they say, "Oh, these is, look at these liberals fucking laughing at them." And then, and then they realize like, oh, it's... The insurance industry has fucked over everybody.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Everybody.

Brian Simpson 11:45 They don't give a fuck who you voted for. They'll fucking... So-

Joe Rogan 11:47 That might be the one. Healthcare might be the one thing that we can come to, like, a bipartisan agreement on-

Brian Simpson 11:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:52 ... that health insurance and insurance companies in general, they, they're just captivated by what a corporation is. A corporation has a responsibility to its shareholders to make the most money. And they just... That's a problem with the whole structure of it, is that no matter what the business is, they find a way to make money more than they find a way to do the thing that they're supposed to be doing well as a service to people.

Brian Simpson 12:16 If Trump actually, if Trump actually f- fixed healthcare...... he, he would go down as one of the greatest presidents. He would- he would be, like it would be, I think it would be a whole different earth. Like, if he actually did, like viable, real change to the healthcare system, that like made it work for everybody.

Joe Rogan 12:33 Well, it used to be that there was no social media. So if you wanted to make a big change, the government could gaslight you on TV in these press conferences and bring out experts, and they could gaslight you and tell you what to do, and that was all the information you had.

Brian Simpson 12:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:49 That doesn't work anymore. It doesn't work anymore. So this is one of the reasons why this is the best time ever to kind of revamp healthcare, and revamp like the way people think about what is healthy, what is healthy.

Brian Simpson 13:02 But how you gonna revamp it in a way that still makes money?

Joe Rogan 13:04 You... Well, it doesn't have to... First of all, first of all, you're gonna lose money. The country's gonna lose money. It's like who's gonna get the money? There's an exchange of money, right? So if a lot of people are sick all the time, and a lot of people are on Medicaid, and a lot of people are on health insurance, the country's gonna spend more money that's going to go to pharmaceutical drug companies. But it doesn't have to go there. We can't commit to giving it to them every year just because they've figured out a way to keep getting it. That's dumb. The right way to say it is, we have to look at the collective money of the country. Wouldn't it be way better if we spent way less on healthcare because people got healthier because they figured out there's no easy way to do it? You have to have diet and exercise. It's the most important foundation for any healthy human being. It doesn't matter what kind of exercise. It does- ah, it probably doesn't even ma- matter what kind of diet as long as you're like committed to eating healthy, real food. The whole thing is just diet and exercise and movement. That would fucking cure 70% of the problems we have in this country with healthcare, because people would be healthy. And so then you wouldn't be as susceptible to getting sick. You wouldn't be as susceptible to getting injured. There's a, a bunch of things that would probably likely stack up financially in our favor.

Brian Simpson 14:24 But a- but it's-

Joe Rogan 14:24 So that's how you make money out of it. You make-

Brian Simpson 14:26 ... eventually you would need-"

Joe Rogan 14:26 ... money out of it because everybody makes more money. You make more money if you're healthy. You make more money if you're active. If you're in, if you're in the bed all the time because you have back surgery constantly or if you've got this and that and the other, you got a lot of interruptions in your life. They're gonna hiccup your career, they're gonna hiccup your, whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life if you're- you're dealing with being sick all the time.

Brian Simpson 14:45 So you think, you think if people were healthier, they would deny less people?

Joe Rogan 14:49 I think if people were healthier, first of all, you would need way less healthcare. First, that's the number one thing. If people were fit and they took care of themselves, there's a giant part of, if you looked at all of the healthcare issues that we have in this country, there's a- a giant chunk of it that's connected to diet. It's connected to the standard American diet.

Brian Simpson 15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:10 It's connected to eating too much calories, garbage food, obesity. That- th- all that is pos- it's possible to shift that in a different direction. You just have to change the way people eat. And that, you would see other people getting results, and then you would want those results. If you hear RFK Jr. on TV trying to motivate people to do this, and you see him working out, like maybe that's the thing you need that takes you from, "Man, I gotta go to the gym one day," to, "Fuck it, I'm going to the gym. This is it." And then if more people do that, there's more healthy people. If there's more healthy people, there's less losers. If there's less losers, the country makes more money. The whole GDP goes up. Everybody m- you're- you're- you're gonna do better, you're gonna do better with whatever you're doing in life if you're healthy-

Brian Simpson 15:55 But-

Joe Rogan 15:55 ... because health is energy.

Brian Simpson 15:56 ... but how do you make people w- like-

Joe Rogan 15:58 You don't, you don't make them do it, but you inspire. And the government has never done that before. Why not try it? Why not try that? Why not try that? Why not try to like fucking gaslight people and tell... "You gotta wear a mask in your car or you're gonna die." Instead of that gaslighting, how about pump 'em up? They scared the fuck out of everybody-

Brian Simpson 16:16 It-

Joe Rogan 16:16 ... with COVID. How about they pump everybody the fuck up with health?

Brian Simpson 16:19 If the government- if the government wanted everybody to do anything, they have to pay 'em.

Joe Rogan 16:24 You know another problem with my theory?

Brian Simpson 16:25 They g- I give you a tax break if you lose 40 pounds.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Here's another problem with my theory. Trump, eats nothing but McDo- McDonald's (laughs) drinks Diet Cokes-

Brian Simpson 16:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:35 ... sharp as a tack, 78 years old. Like, okay, I don't know what to tell you.

Brian Simpson 16:39 If he came back, if- if he disappeared for like six months and came back just jacked-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Jacked. Shaved his head. Did you see him play tennis with Serena Williams?

Brian Simpson 16:46 Nah.

Joe Rogan 16:47 He took his shoes off and he's playing tennis with Serena Williams.

Brian Simpson 16:51 I mean playing playing?

Joe Rogan 16:52 Not playing like as good as she can play.

Brian Simpson 16:55 Oh, well obviously-

Joe Rogan 16:55 She's not gonna embarrass him.

Brian Simpson 16:56 ... no, no obviously not that, but I mean-

Joe Rogan 16:57 They're volleying back and forth.

Brian Simpson 16:58 What I mean is-

Joe Rogan 16:59 And he's playing.

Brian Simpson 16:59 ... is he running?

Joe Rogan 17:00 He plays tennis, man. He can play tennis.

Brian Simpson 17:03 Oh.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Like the guy plays tennis. Like he's... I mean, I don't know how to play tennis, so I don't know if it looks good. But I'm looking at him hit the ball, it looks like he's doing it the right... He doesn't look like me if I was doing it, I'd be a fucking spaz. I don't know how to play tennis.

Brian Simpson 17:13 Completely lost. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah. Well, let's see it. It's 'cause it-

Narrator 17:18 It was in 2015.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Oh, it was?

Narrator 17:19 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 17:20 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Oh, goddamn it. I got lied to by the reels. (laughs) I thought it just happened.

Brian Simpson 17:26 Oh.

Narrator 17:26 No, no, no. 2015.

Brian Simpson 17:29 When Trump and Serena-

Joe Rogan 17:30 But check out the tennis. Check this out. She could clearly fuck him up. Oh, that's a nice gentle serve. Look at it. But look at dude, he's firing back.

Brian Simpson 17:40 Uh.

Narrator 17:41 Both of his shots were out of bounds.

Brian Simpson 17:42 That wasn't good.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Ah, he's old. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 17:46 (laughs) I mean, but he is doing better than I would do.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Oh, way better than me. I mean, he plays tennis. There's v- video of him playing tennis. There's like photos of him playing tennis. So he does do some things.

Brian Simpson 17:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 17:57 It's like there's a lot of guys that are too, um... Th- they can't go to a gym. It's just they don't have... They need a purpose or they need something that occupies their brain so they play golf or they play tennis or they play games. They do- they play a little pickup basketball. They do that for their health-

Brian Simpson 18:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 ... because they just can't do the gym thing. "I just don't wanna do it." So they do something that keeps them active.

Brian Simpson 18:15 I mean, most of the people I know do shit like that.

Joe Rogan 18:18 Yeah, so he's active.

Brian Simpson 18:19 Pickup basketball or soccer or-

Joe Rogan 18:20 But that dude just eats cheeseburgers and shit all day long, like- (laughs) ... it's like, I don't know what to say.

Brian Simpson 18:28 But he probably also has zero stress.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Well, he has a way of letting shit roll off his back. I mean, he had to have some stress when that guy shot at him. But even then, he gets hit in the ear and he stands up and yells, "Fight, fight, fight." It's like, is this a movie? Are we in a, a movie? Is this like a simulation?

Brian Simpson 18:44 Yeah. And then his ear healed up like Wolverine.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Bro, it healed up pretty quick. You can see a little mark on it.

Brian Simpson 18:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 You see a little... There's a little ti- if you look at it, like, when he was right there. I go, "Let me see it." And he leaned in. You can kinda see-

Brian Simpson 18:54 You know what was wild, though?

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... the ear's filled with blood vessels.

Brian Simpson 18:56 When-

Joe Rogan 18:56 That's why it bleeds so much.

Brian Simpson 18:57 Nobody talks about it anymore.

Joe Rogan 18:58 No. You know what else nobody talks about? The guy who blew up the Cybertruck in front of Trump Tower? What happened to that guy?

Brian Simpson 19:05 I don't even know what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 19:06 You don't know that story?

Brian Simpson 19:07 Nah. See, I don't follow any of the pol- political stuff.

Joe Rogan 19:09 Well, this isn't even political. This is a weird story. Um, it's a guy who was like... Now, has it been confirmed that that's him?

Narrator 19:17 I'm gonna look. I have to, um... I'll see.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Let's pull up the story 'cause I don't, I don't wanna do it any misjustice. But this was, uh, after the election, correct? Yes. Definitely. It was real recent.

Narrator 19:27 It was on New Year's, New Year's Day.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Okay. New Year's Day. That's, that's how crazy the news cycle is. Like you forget, you forget what day things happen. Like, "Was that a year ago?" "No, it was last week." "Oh, all right." There's like something constantly bombarding you all the time. So this dude-

Brian Simpson 19:41 That dude?

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yeah. What is the story behind him? He was a Special Forces guy, right? And he was in, I think he was in a television show with Tim Kennedy. They had like a Special Forces TV show where they did something.

Brian Simpson 19:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 19:55 So this guy's like, you know, he's an operator. He's like a serious soldier.

Brian Simpson 19:58 Why a Cybertruck?

Joe Rogan 20:00 And he allegedly committed suicide, um, with a large handgun, a Desert Eagle. So-

Brian Simpson 20:09 Oh, he re- he ransomed it. Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Large handgun, and blew up this thing. It's his self-inflicted gunshot wound. Well, it, the whole thing's weird, man. Nobody, n- n- nobody could imagine him doing this. Everybody's saying it doesn't make sense. Wh- why would he... This guy knew how to make bombs. Why would he make a shitty bomb like that, that doesn't even blow up the building? It just blows him up in the car? And why would he do it in a Cybertruck, which is like the most durable car you can buy? Like that whole thing... The Cybertruck, you saw that video where I tried to shoot an arrow through it?

Brian Simpson 20:48 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:48 My arrow exploded. That thing's solid steel. So why would you blow yourself up in a solid... Why... You would get a convertible and fuck everybody up, right? You would... If you were gonna blow up yourself in a car, and you wanted to do the most damage, you'd have a car that you'd wanna blow apart. Those Teslas contain the entire explosion.

Brian Simpson 21:09 Yeah. I mean, was it, did he leave some kind of manifesto?

Joe Rogan 21:13 I don't know if he left a note. Did he leave a note?

Narrator 21:15 I think so. Yep. Uh, must have been-

Brian Simpson 21:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:17 They probably found it, like barely smoldering outside the car.

Brian Simpson 21:20 Well, that's exactly... Remember?

Joe Rogan 21:20 Look, it's like when, remember when they found the, the terrorist passports? The planes went into the fucking World Trade Center, blew up in front of everybody's face. Just a gigantic, enormous pile of fire. And yet this dude's passport just barely singed on the outside like a Bugs Bunny cartoon-

Brian Simpson 21:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:40 ... falls to the ground. (laughs)

Narrator 21:41 That was what the whole Sean Ryan thing was about, 'cause they sent the email, and then it was, "Did the guy write the email?"

Joe Rogan 21:47 Right. That's right.

Narrator 21:48 It was about drones and all sorts of stuff.

Joe Rogan 21:48 That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Now I remember. God, I forgot Sean Ryan was in- involved in that.

Narrator 21:53 Yeah. That was like two days later.

Joe Rogan 21:53 And then people were saying that he didn't s- that guy didn't send that to you. You got hoaxed. And then Sean Ryan proved that the guy did send that. So, he was saying some stuff in there about drones and... What was he saying? Let's put up what he said.

Brian Simpson 22:06 Man... You know what I realized, man? It's-

Joe Rogan 22:07 Shout out to Sean Ryan. Um, it said, "In case I do not make it to my decision point or onto the Mexican, Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this until 1 Jan, and keep my identity private until then. First off, I am not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 black Ford Mustang V6 for verification." First of all, that's not true.

Brian Simpson 22:32 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 22:32 That was not his first car.

Brian Simpson 22:34 No?

Joe Rogan 22:34 No, he had a different car. We'll find that out in a second. Pu- put a, a tab on that, Jamie. Uh, "What we have been seeing with drones is the operational use of g- gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by, most recently China in the East Coast, but, but throughout history, the US. Only we and China have this capability. Our open location for this activity in the box is below. China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force, and they are using it similar to how they used the balloon for si- SIGINT. S- SIGINT?" How do you say that? "SIGINT and ISR, uh, which are also part of the integrated comm systems. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time. The, uh, so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft, they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted to. It's checkmate. US government needs to give the history of this, how we're employing and weaponizing it, how China is employing them, and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast. I've been followed for over a week now, likely from Homeland or FBI, and they are looking to move on me and are unlikely to let me cross into Mexico, but I won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED." I think, uh, that's vehicle something-

Brian Simpson 24:08 Vehi- vehicle-borne implosive device.

Narrator 24:09 Vehicle-borne implosive device.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Oh, you know. You're a military guy. Uh, "I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone, and they are definitely digitally tracking me."

Brian Simpson 24:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 24:19 "I have knowledge of this program and also of war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in the Nimruz Province, Afghanistan in 2019."... by the admin, DOD, DEA, and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings. 65 were struck because of CIVCAS that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day. USFORA continued strikes after spotting civilians on initial ISR. It was supposed to take six minutes and scramble all, all aircraft to CENTCOM. The UN basically called these war crimes, but the administration made them disappear. I was part of that cover-up with USFORA and agent rejac- redacted. They cut his name off, of the DEA. So, I don't know if my abduction attempt is related to either. I worked with, uh, Generals, General Miller's ten staff and, on this as well as the response to Bala Murgab, uh, AOBS commander at the s- at the time, redacted. Okay, he said, "You need to elevate this to media so we avoid a world war because this is a mutually assured destruction situation." So, he gave his, uh, LinkedIn for vetting, uh, active duty. You know, he, he could... His profile, the whole, all th- the whole deal. Now, the problem is, that was not his first car. So Google what his first car was.

Narrator 25:47 But why, why, why lie about that?

Joe Rogan 25:49 Because somebody might not have known. Like, if you ask m- like, there's a lot of people that say, "What was your first car?" And a lot of people don't know. I've said it publicly, but, like, how many people know what my first car was?

Narrator 26:02 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Right? So, if you're a dude and you're hanging out with other dudes, like, I don't know what your first car was.

Narrator 26:06 Oh, so you're, you're, you're suggesting someone else wrote that?

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yes.

Narrator 26:09 Oh, okay. All right.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Yeah. I mean, if they get the car wrong, yeah.

Narrator 26:13 Yeah, you right.

Joe Rogan 26:14 Listen-

Narrator 26:14 I mean, that's a hell of a th- that's a hell of a detail to get wrong.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Here, I had... My first car was a 1973 Chevelle. But I only had it for, like, two days. It broke down and the guy sold me a lemon and I got my money back. He came and got his car. He got... He, he... I think he knew he fucked me.

Narrator 26:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:29 You know? And then my next car after that was a 1968 Oldsmobile. So, I remember. I know what my cars were. Like, you're a kid, you get your first car. You know what your first car was.

Narrator 26:41 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Bitch, if your first car was a 2007 Mustang, you're gonna kn- everyone's gonna know. You're gonna tell everybody, right?

Narrator 26:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not gonna forget what your first car was.

Joe Rogan 26:50 You're gonna know. You're gonna kn- you're not gonna be confused. You're not gonna be confused as to what c- was your first car. You'll have a... (snaps fingers) You'll pull it out right away.

Narrator 26:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I've never seen anybody get that wrong.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Your car is like the first time you have freedom. You can't believe you could just drive anywhere you want. You go to your friend's house. You're like, "Dude, I can drive."

Narrator 27:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:13 It's one of the wildest experiences. I remember clearly just learning to drive and how wild it was. You could just drive. We're so used to it.

Narrator 27:23 It's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 27:24 We're basically riding around in amusement park rides you would pay a lot of money to ride in. Like, your car? That Audi? Bro, that's like...

Narrator 27:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 You're in a n- you're in a super capable sport sedan from 2024. So you're talking about, like, modern suspension, an anti-lock breaking system, and everything's controlled electronically, and you have a fucking super powerful engine. It's all taut and, uh... And it moves differently based on how the fucking ground moves, like whether it's shitty surface or smooth surface.

Narrator 27:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:56 They just adapt to everything. That thing's glued.

Narrator 28:00 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Yeah, those things are crazy. This, this world that we live in today is so fun. You would remember your first car.

Narrator 28:09 I'm having a hard time. This is the first-

28:11 No fucks at first...

28:11 Thi- This is one of the strangest searches I've had. I'm, uh...

28:13 Yeah.

28:14 It's... I'll add this to conspiracy. I can't find anything that's coming up with a date before, like, January 4th, which would only be in a few days (clears throat) . Excuse me, a few days after. I've done Google search and Twitter search. Twitter search didn't show anything and I hit latest and it's still not showing me anything recent.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Damn, somebody wrote a whole article about how that was not his first car.

Narrator 28:30 I know, but it's just weird that it's blocking the stuff. Look at the thing.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Can you try, uh, the Brave browser?

Narrator 28:35 How would that...

28:36 Um, it... I don't know that it would have a... I'm on a website. Like, I'm on Twitter and the-

Joe Rogan 28:39 What, what was, what was their proof then? What was-

Narrator 28:40 ... Twitter search isn't, isn't giving me anything more recent than January 4th.

Joe Rogan 28:45 So, when they say about discrepancies, does anybody, uh, use the car as a discrepancy? Because I definitely know I read that.

Narrator 28:52 No, uh, uh, that's not what I'm even bringing up. I'm sort of saying, like, the search is being manipulated right now. Like, I can't search for this.

Joe Rogan 28:59 Oh. What?

Narrator 29:00 That's what I'm trying to say.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Ew.

Narrator 29:02 Like, searching for his name in th- in car was... It... I don't get anything in the last-

Joe Rogan 29:07 Well, it's-

Narrator 29:07 ... three weeks. That, that's weird that no one on Twitter-

Joe Rogan 29:09 Let me-

Narrator 29:09 ... is talking about it.

Joe Rogan 29:10 Uh, l- let me imagine this. Is it possible that if there was a story like this and you were trying to, like, cover up discrepancies and you didn't want people talking about it, could you just flood the search with a bunch of other stories on it so that it takes so many pages to get to it that you would never get it?

Narrator 29:24 I would argue, yes, you could. But that's... I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing the opposite. I'm seeing no stories other than, like, within the 48 hours of it happening, which-

Joe Rogan 29:34 Wow.

Narrator 29:34 ... means, that's... I find that odd.

Joe Rogan 29:36 That is weird.

Narrator 29:37 I'm like switched. Like, I'll go to page two.

29:38 Bro, this is how checked out I am. I didn't even know this happened.

29:41 I went to news. News isn't showing. It's like four weeks ago, four weeks three, three weeks ago.

Joe Rogan 29:43 But how about just write... Will you do me a favor and just write, "Matthew Levensberger"... How do you say it? Levis-

Narrator 29:48 Levensberger?

Joe Rogan 29:49 Levensberger's car was not... First car. Just say, "First car."

Narrator 29:53 I did. I, I didn't-

Joe Rogan 29:53 No, but, but let me ask you... Just say, "First car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang."

Narrator 29:58 All right. Good. That's too specific.

29:59 Yeah, that's too specific.

Joe Rogan 30:00 But just try.

Narrator 30:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Was not... First car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.

Narrator 30:10 I mean, it's, it's... I'm getting the same thing. That's sorta the... Hmm, it's not the best way to do a search.

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Joe Rogan 31:37 The other thing was, um-

Narrator 31:39 It's very strange.

Joe Rogan 31:40 ... that... The gun that he used is a crazy gun. That is a crazy gun to shoot yourself in the car. And the question is, like, when did he do it? Because it looks like the guy in the video, in the car, sits there, pulls up, and then the whole thing blows up. So, are you telling me that he's blowing himself up and shooting himself at the same time? Like, does he have a button on his left hand that's the bomb detonator and then the trigger on his right?

Narrator 32:05 Here's to my point-

Brian Simpson 32:05 I don't know, man. This shit's highly advanced, man. The, the-

Narrator 32:07 When I take off "car," I get tweets from two hours ago.

Brian Simpson 32:08 The Cybertruck might have shot him. Shit.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Say that again to me.

Narrator 32:10 When I take off the word "car" from my search on Twitter-

Joe Rogan 32:12 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 32:12 ... I get tweets from two hours ago.

Joe Rogan 32:14 So they're still tweeting like crazy about it.

Narrator 32:15 But when I type in "car," now it's old tweets.

Joe Rogan 32:19 You get January 16th. Yeah.

Narrator 32:21 And I'm on latest.

Joe Rogan 32:22 That's weird.

Narrator 32:23 I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 32:26 He typed "first car"?

Narrator 32:27 I didn't. I just typed in the word "car." What I should know is the history though.

Brian Simpson 32:29 T- but, tell me the whole conspiracy though.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Try, try "first car".

Narrator 32:31 I already, I'm just... I already did that. I r-

Joe Rogan 32:32 I know. I s- I know, I know.

Narrator 32:33 I reduced it so that it was less specific.

Brian Simpson 32:36 But what's the rest of the conspiracy?

Joe Rogan 32:37 "Incorrect as to the first car discrepancies." Ri- click on that. Show more. So, um, "Including incorrect reference for the first car Livelsberger owned. According to public records, his first car was not a 2006 Ford, contrary to what is mentioned in the email. This has led to skepticism on whether the email is real or fabricated." That's it.

Brian Simpson 32:59 So, well where's the-

Joe Rogan 32:59 According to public records, that was not his first car.

Brian Simpson 33:02 Well, show us the public records.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Let's see. Uh. It was a BMW. 2008 1-Series BMW.

Narrator 33:13 I would, I would add... Wouldn't this just be registered under his name? Maybe he borrowed one, maybe his parents registered it. I think they checked his parents' cars too.

Brian Simpson 33:19 But what, what about that 1998? It was a Ford Mustang.

Narrator 33:21 But it's 2006. That's a big difference.

Joe Rogan 33:24 See right here, "Why is Sean Ryan spreading an easily confirmed fake email? If your first car was a 1998 Mustang, would you say your first car was a 2007 Mustang? The dates don't even line up." So, he had a '98 Ford Mustang.

Brian Simpson 33:38 Ah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Why is the BMW circled?

Narrator 33:40 Because it's... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 33:40 'Cause, you see, the thing is, whenever weird shit happens, the first people to talk be full of shit. They the worst, those... They the worst people.

Narrator 33:46 Uh.

Joe Rogan 33:46 So it looks like he didn't have... He had... Scroll that back again. So, he had a '98 Mustang.

Brian Simpson 33:52 Uh.

Joe Rogan 33:53 Not a 2007. That was his first car. Then he had a 2008 BMW.

Brian Simpson 33:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 And then he had a Jeep.

Brian Simpson 34:00 But didn't... But did-

Joe Rogan 34:00 He never had a 2006 Mustang.

Brian Simpson 34:03 You can see right when he got divorced 'cause he got a Mustang again.

Joe Rogan 34:05 Yeah, I'm back, baby. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 34:08 (laughs) 2018.

Joe Rogan 34:09 2018, he got a Ford Mustang GT.

Brian Simpson 34:11 Yeah, that's that, that's that midlife crisis right there.

Joe Rogan 34:12 He got the GT too. Greg Fitzsimmons got it. He got it with the EcoBoost. He was telling me how much he loves it. I was like-

Brian Simpson 34:17 He loves the EcoBoost?

Joe Rogan 34:18 "I know, but you didn't get the V8." And he's like, "Oh, gas mileage." I'm like, "Shut your mouth."

Brian Simpson 34:23 What you mean EcoBoost?

Joe Rogan 34:24 Oh, it's a great engine. Don't get me wrong. It's got plenty of power. In comparison to old cars, it's way more powerful. I mean, it's a fast fucking car. But the EcoBoost is just, uh, more, uh, fuel efficient. It doesn't have the same horsepower.

Brian Simpson 34:37 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 34:37 And the, the GT has the Coyote V8 that has that rumble, makes you feel alive. You know when you're... Vroom, vroom. You ever been at a red light with a guy in a Mustang and they take off and you hear that sound? Especially if he's got a manual. Brrr.

Brian Simpson 34:52 Brrr. Nah, my, my, uh, my homie, um, when I was in the service, he had this, he had this fucking blue Corvette.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 35:00 I forget what year it was, but it was old as shit. But he, he was obsessed with this motherfucking car. And it was so fucking loud.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 35:07 The, it was definitely like a, you know, '70 something.

Joe Rogan 35:10 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 35:10 You know what I mean? Or a '60 something. It was like a old-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Oh, the cool ones.

Brian Simpson 35:13 Yeah, but it was like no modern technology in that motherfucker. It was loud as shit.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Corvettes are the only cars that looked good into the '70s. All the other American cars turned to dog shit. They turned to-

Brian Simpson 35:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:25 They became boxes. They became fuel efficient boxes. But Corvettes always had that. And then eventually they fucked that up too. And they made Corvettes, like, flat and s- like, look- looked like a wedge. They looked so stupid for a while.

Brian Simpson 35:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:37 But now they're back. Now they're better th- they're better looking now, I think. Like Tony's, I think the, these new ones, the 2025s and '26s, they're, they're better than any other car ever. Any American car. Like, the Corvette ZR1, it's the greatest American car that's ever been built.

Brian Simpson 35:52 It really sounds-

Joe Rogan 35:53 It's 1,100 horsepower.

Brian Simpson 35:54 I don't know shit about it.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Oh, Brian Tempsian, you ready to look at this?

Brian Simpson 35:57 You got one?

Joe Rogan 35:58 D- No, no, no, I don't have one. But this is, um... Google this. This is literally the greatest American car ever produced, by a long shot.

Brian Simpson 36:06 Corvette Z1.

Joe Rogan 36:06 ZR1.

Brian Simpson 36:08 ZR1.

Joe Rogan 36:08 It's got a giant wing on the back of it. It's literally a race car that you can buy. It has 1,100 horsepower. If y- or excuse me, 1,064 horsepower. Um-... and this is not even tuned, right? Guys are gonna be able to do things with these things. You're gonna get these Hennessy guys-

Brian Simpson 36:26 Oh, oh, is this new?

Joe Rogan 36:26 Yeah. You're gonna get these Hennessy guys that are gonna, like, jack up the boost and make them even faster. These things are insanely fast, insanely fast, and insanely capable. I don't know if they've got Nurburgring times on them, but I, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fastest American car ever.

Brian Simpson 36:43 How much does that cost?

Joe Rogan 36:45 I think it's like $190,000.

Narrator 36:47 I think they're coming to Austin soon.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Bro, this car is-

Narrator 36:51 ... off.

Joe Rogan 36:51 ... fucking insane, has carbon fiber wheels. It's insane.

Brian Simpson 36:55 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 36:56 And it's beautiful. Like, look at that thing. I mean, it's just a piece of art and engineering, you know, together. It's really, it looks like what you'd expect from a foreign supercar.

Brian Simpson 37:07 Yeah, right, there you go.

Joe Rogan 37:08 From, like, Ferrari or McLaren or something like that. That's what it looks like. It looks incredible. I don't know how we get on the subject.

Brian Simpson 37:17 Oh, we were talking about how you remember your, you remember your first car.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Oh, you remember your first car.

Brian Simpson 37:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Fuck, imagine your first car is this thing.

Brian Simpson 37:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:24 (laughs) Dude, your first car should be a Miata.

Brian Simpson 37:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:26 Someone shou- everybody should drive a stick-shift Miata.

Brian Simpson 37:29 But you can't buy your... 'cause, like, p- like, some people get crazy and they buy their kids shit like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 37:34 Well, you know, it's like motorcycles. You know, I was gonna get a motorcycle license at one point in time, and one of my buddies was gonna get, like, a Ninja. I was like, "Bro, we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't just hop right on some crazy bike that..." You gotta get comfortable with the whole idea of riding a bike.

Brian Simpson 37:49 Bro, if I told you how many of my, how many of my friends or family that I've had to talk out of getting a motorcycle.

Joe Rogan 37:55 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 37:55 Like w- like, it's like that midlife crisis part where it's like-

Joe Rogan 37:57 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 37:58 ... "Hey, bro, you've never rode a motorcycle. Y- like, you 40, you can't start now."

Joe Rogan 38:02 (sighs) I got real close and then the universe-

Brian Simpson 38:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:04 ... gave me a whole bunch of signs.

Brian Simpson 38:05 Nah, e- bro, e- 'cause even the, even the best riders in the world will lay that bike down.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Yep.

Brian Simpson 38:12 So it's like, you out here, you haven't (laughs) ridden a bike ever or e- or in 25 years, like, you gonna get fucked up out there.

Joe Rogan 38:18 You ever see the one where the dude is flying down a country road and he hits a deer?

Brian Simpson 38:22 No.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Oh. This dude is, like-

Brian Simpson 38:27 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 38:27 ... on one of those race bikes, boom. Boom! Flying through the air.

Brian Simpson 38:33 Bro, I saw one the other day where it was the other way around.

Joe Rogan 38:36 (gasps)

Brian Simpson 38:36 It was like, uh, it was like the end of a parade or something, and there were girls on the street and this guy, it, it, a bunch of motorcycles went by, but only one girl got hit.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Oh, God.

Brian Simpson 38:44 But it was like...

Joe Rogan 38:46 Oh, God.

Brian Simpson 38:47 Oh, man, that's, oh... (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 38:48 Uh. Vehicles.

Brian Simpson 38:51 Yeah, but you can't, you can't find 'em-

Joe Rogan 38:52 So you didn't see this thing today? Um...

Brian Simpson 38:55 What thing?

Joe Rogan 38:55 A Black Hawk helicopter collided with a American Airlines flight.

Brian Simpson 39:01 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 39:01 Over DC. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 39:03 Over DC?

Joe Rogan 39:03 Over DC, yeah, and they, they plunged into the Potomac, and, uh, everybody's dead. And there's video of it. Uh, there's a fireball in the sky. The helicopter collides right with the plane, it explodes in the sky. Watch this. Boom. They explode and collide in the sky, and then this is the plane.

Brian Simpson 39:25 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 39:28 It's crazy. And i- it's only... I mean, I don't, it's not for- there's nothing fortunate about it, but it's fortunate that it landed in the river and that it didn't land on apartment buildings, you know, and kill-

Brian Simpson 39:40 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 39:40 ... kill a bunch more people.

Brian Simpson 39:43 Man.

Joe Rogan 39:43 I don't even know how that happens. I've never heard of something like that happening. It's... And then where did the, uh, helicopter emanate from? Where did it come from, Jamie?

Brian Simpson 39:53 Probably Andrews.

Joe Rogan 39:54 'Cause it, this is a military helicopter.

Brian Simpson 39:57 Andrews Air Force Base, I'm guessing.

Joe Rogan 40:02 I don't understand how that's possible. I don't get it. Uh, but I don't know anything about flying.

Brian Simpson 40:07 Man, you know what, honestly, man? It comes close to happening a, a lot.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Fuck. That's so crazy that, uh, a military h- helicopter collides with a American Airlines jet. (exhales)

Brian Simpson 40:21 Yeah, and this, and I, it, I d- I don't think it was some kind of malfunction. It probably was bad communication. Somebody got wrong information.

Joe Rogan 40:27 Yeah, maybe, unless we find out that someone was on that jet, like someone on-

Brian Simpson 40:34 Somebody important was on that jet?

Joe Rogan 40:35 ... like gravity drive scientist.

Brian Simpson 40:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:37 (laughs) Some fucking, some fucking dude who's at the forefront-

Brian Simpson 40:40 Just-

Joe Rogan 40:40 ... of quantum computing-

Brian Simpson 40:41 That's the, that was the move.

Joe Rogan 40:41 ... a, and he's got a laptop with him-

Brian Simpson 40:43 See-

Joe Rogan 40:43 ... that he's trying to deliver to somebody in Saudi Arabia.

Brian Simpson 40:45 See, this is why, this is why I checked out, bro, 'cause it-

Joe Rogan 40:47 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 40:47 ... 'cause (laughs) , because (laughs) , 'cause it's so hard to take-

Joe Rogan 40:51 (laughs) .

Brian Simpson 40:51 ... the, everything serious, because it's like-

Joe Rogan 40:52 It's too much.

Brian Simpson 40:53 ... we live in such a ridiculous time where that, like, that, that is, the chances are more than zero that what you said is the case just now.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Right, more than zero.

Brian Simpson 41:01 Right? It's like we live in a ridiculous... We don't trust anything.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Right.

Brian Simpson 41:05 I don't. So it's like that could ha- that could be the, somebody... 'cause my next thought shouldn't be, "I wonder if somebody important was on that jet."

Joe Rogan 41:12 The other th- thought was that you can control those helicopters remotely. You don't have to have, uh, pilots-

Brian Simpson 41:21 No, bullshit. No way.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah, you can.

Brian Simpson 41:23 You can fly a helicopter remotely?

Joe Rogan 41:24 Yes. They, uh, they use artificial intelligence now not just to fly helicopters, but also to fly jets. And when they use jets that are controlled by artificial intelligence versus jets that are controlled by the best pilots we have, the jets can c- controlled by artificial intelligence win dog fights 100% of the time.

Brian Simpson 41:45 Yeah, but they gonna fuck some- I mean, listen, I, 'cause all I have to judge artificial intelligence-

Joe Rogan 41:48 But this is a, this is the tinfoil, we're putting on some tinfoil.

Brian Simpson 41:51 Yeah, but all I have to judge my artificial intelligence is the Google Gemini-

Joe Rogan 41:56 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 41:56 ... and ChatGBT, and they be fucking shit up.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Yeah, but this is-

Brian Simpson 42:00 So till I see it, it's propaganda.

Joe Rogan 42:01 ... just consumer-grade, this is consumer-grade shit that didn't exist a while ago and ex- you want some coffee?

Brian Simpson 42:06 Nah, I'm good. It's okay.

Joe Rogan 42:07 And exists now. So here it is. Uh, Black Hawk remote control demos have been performed by Sikorsky Aircraft and Lockheed Martin to demonstrate the ability to remotely control a Black Hawk helicopter. These demos have shown the potential for autonomous flight and the ability to perform missions without a pilot.

Brian Simpson 42:27 Okay. But here's the other thing though.

Joe Rogan 42:28 But this is the thing, if it's such a super sophisticated piece of equipment, how is it not... If it is being piloted by a person, how do they not have sensors that detect where the planes are? How, how is that even possible that you could be in a place where planes are flying 500 miles an hour left and right, all over the place, landing and taking off, and you're gonna fly through that? And you don't know where the planes are? That seems insane. That doesn't even seem possible, because like how could you exist as a military aircraft if you don't have a comprehensive analysis of everything that's around you all the time? We have sensors. We, we put them on jets. Why wouldn't we put sensors on the helicopter?

Brian Simpson 43:07 They, they probably do have them.

Joe Rogan 43:08 So why didn't it work?

Brian Simpson 43:10 I don't know. We, we gonna find out pretty soon.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Will we even know?

Brian Simpson 43:12 Or, or we'll never find out.

Joe Rogan 43:13 But everybody's dead, right? So how do you know when everybody's dead? They think the pilots are dead, of the helicopter. There ... I believe there was ... Was there supposed to be two people in the helicopter? I bel- ... Four? Three? Three people in the helicopter? And was it like 60 or 70 people?

Narrator 43:28 60.

Joe Rogan 43:28 60 people in the plane are dead.

Brian Simpson 43:31 Damn, only 60 people on a flight, on a flight?

Joe Rogan 43:32 Small flight.

Narrator 43:33 Yeah, this was a f- ... A figure sk-

Joe Rogan 43:35 Yeah.

Narrator 43:35 Mostly a figure skating team. Figure skating.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Fuck, man.

Brian Simpson 43:38 Oh, yeah. 'Cause, 'cause that's the thing. I would say it would have to be a group of people. 'Cause if it w- ... If they just wanted to take out one person, why, why, why waste a helicopter? Like there's, there's better ways to kill one person.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Yeah. Well, also you want like the worst press possible, kill a plane filled with young figure skaters.

Brian Simpson 43:56 Mm.

Joe Rogan 43:57 The sweetest, most delicate people, like twirling around on the ice. I mean, we think of them like they're almost like superhumans. You know? The, the ... We don't even want to think about ... That's why like when that Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan shit went down, nobody wanted to believe it's possible.

Brian Simpson 44:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 The figure skating community's got thugs? Remember that?

Brian Simpson 44:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:16 The figure skating community tries to take out people by breaking their knees?

Brian Simpson 44:20 And that shit was ripe for comedy for like five years.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 44:24 Yeah, yeah. We're ... People get vicious about shit, man. Like-

Joe Rogan 44:26 People get vicious.

Brian Simpson 44:27 And, but here's the other thing. I ... It might just be incompetence.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Most likely it's incompetence.

Brian Simpson 44:35 Somebody, somebody was just fucked up or, uh ...

Joe Rogan 44:37 Most likely someone made a mistake. Most likely.

Brian Simpson 44:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 But in this day and age, when you know about things that have happened, you know about false flags, you know about all kinds of shit that happens, you always gotta wonder. And if, if we do find out, here's worst case scenario. What if a foreign government has figured out a way to hack into our equipment, and they can get a helicopter to fly right into a plane?

Brian Simpson 45:00 Oh, like this was a test run?

Joe Rogan 45:01 What if this was like proof of concept?

Brian Simpson 45:03 See, I think a better conspiracy would be if we found out that it was like, that like Delta was behind it. You know what I mean? Like this was-

Joe Rogan 45:11 Delta trying to take out American airlines?

Brian Simpson 45:12 Or just, or like, or like Alaska was like, "Yo."

Joe Rogan 45:14 No.

Brian Simpson 45:14 "We gonna fucking ruin their reputation."

Joe Rogan 45:16 But if you were a foreign country and you wanted to demonstrate that you have technical superiority over people, how would you do it? Well, first of all, you'd lay the groundwork, right? This is one thing they definitely did, right? Where's that lighter, bro? Got that? Thank you, sir. You lay the groundwork, and the groundworkers sell them all the shit they need. Sell them all the shit they need. And some of the shit you sell them, put a back door in there. Put a little back door in there. And they've been doing that. That's a fact. That's why Huawei was banned from the United States. They banned Huawei phones. They're the most ... They were the most sophisticated phones.

Brian Simpson 45:52 Ah, man. They were.

Joe Rogan 45:53 They were coming out of China.

Brian Simpson 45:53 They were awesome.

Joe Rogan 45:54 They were so good.

Brian Simpson 45:54 They was great. (laughs) Yeah. Those, yeah. You right.

Joe Rogan 45:56 I tried... I've taught this before, but forgive me if you heard it before, but I tried to buy a Porsche design Huawei phone. Uh, it was an amazing phone. It was like so much more advanced than iPhones. Eh, it had a bigger battery. It had like 100 megapixel camera. And then right before it was coming out, they put the ban. And then there, there was all these national security concerns. And Huawei is like spying on Americans. And something about their routers and their systems, they figured out there's like backdoor possibilities that were engineered into these things. So they sold us cellphone towers and computer chips and all this stuff, and all the components that you need to run your AI. So wouldn't it make sense that if they're a part of it, they're integrated into it physically, and we know they put back doors on things, wouldn't you put back doors on the stuff that you're putting into jets? Wouldn't you put ... Like who's making that stuff? Who's making all those electronics that are inside the jets?

Brian Simpson 46:55 I think we make those.

Joe Rogan 46:56 Do you think we make the chips?

Brian Simpson 46:59 (sighs) .

Joe Rogan 46:59 Do you think we make the chips? Do you think, do you think we make ... What do we make? Do we make the hard drives? Are you sure? I don't know.

Brian Simpson 47:06 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Do we make the processors?

Brian Simpson 47:08 It just seems like it would be-

Joe Rogan 47:09 Do we-

Brian Simpson 47:09 ... the smart thing to do.

Joe Rogan 47:10 It would be a very smart thing to do.

Brian Simpson 47:12 Like for your military stuff.

Joe Rogan 47:12 But do we make the swap- ... Does, does ... Do we make the processors? Or have there been installed some sort of electronical backdoor into almost everything that we have? Almost everything we have.

Brian Simpson 47:25 I think-

Joe Rogan 47:25 Where anything can be taken over.

Brian Simpson 47:27 ... I think that it, it probably is the case, but it's definitely our government doing it.

Joe Rogan 47:32 You know the Michael Hastings story, right?

Brian Simpson 47:34 No.

Joe Rogan 47:34 You don't know that story? Oh. This was the guy who was a journalist who was writing for Rolling Stone, and he goes over to ... Afghanistan? Was it Afghanistan? Goes over to Afghanistan, and um, gets stuck there-

Brian Simpson 47:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:50 ... because of the volcano. So the volcano in Iceland, I think. So this volcano blows up and the sky is covered with dirt. You can't see for like weeks, so you can't fly. So he can't leave there. So he gets stuck with this troop. He, he's embedded with these troops. And they get loose. They get loose. They start saying things. They start talking shit about Obama. The general talks shit about Obama. And then, uh, this guy puts all this in the story. And he puts all this in the st- ... And they, they thought he was like one of their homies. "We're just hanging out. We're just boys." He's not gonna write about that. I mean, but the guy wrote about all that shit. You get these 20-year-old kids, they're deployed, at war. I mean, of course they're gonna talk shit. They're kids. You get the generals like hanging out with these guys. They're gonna talk shit. They're a bunch of men out there doing war.... so he has to step down and he, the general, is one of the most beloved generals in the military. And then this guy is terrified for his life. And he's openly said-

Brian Simpson 48:42 The reporter?

Joe Rogan 48:42 The reporter's terrified for his life, um, because, uh, he's been threatened.

Brian Simpson 48:46 The general, he got nothing to do.

Joe Rogan 48:47 So then, he dies on... Was it Laurel Canyon?

Narrator 48:52 Labrea.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Labrea. He d- he dies on Labrea going-

Narrator 48:56 No, Melrose and Highland, sorry.

Joe Rogan 48:57 Oh, Melrose and Highland?

Narrator 48:58 No. I'm watching the video right now but that's...

Joe Rogan 49:03 W- either way.

Narrator 49:04 Whatever, yeah, whatever.

Joe Rogan 49:04 Either way, point is, he's in LA, he's going like 120 miles an hour and he goes straight into a tree and the car explodes. The car explodes and hi- watch how fast it goes. Look at this. He just hits the gas and boom, runs into a tree and explodes. Had said, you know, "If anything happens, I didn't kill myself." And then the question was, back then, so was this 2005?

Narrator 49:36 13.

Joe Rogan 49:36 2013. So back then, the question was, do they have the technology to take over vehicles? And if you ask people that are honest, the answer is yes. Yeah, they do. There's a way to do it. It's not impossible. It's not like-

Brian Simpson 49:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:51 ... you know, breathing under water. It's, it's, it can, it can be done. Whether you have to get access to the actual car itself and put something in there, I don't know. But-

Brian Simpson 50:01 See, that, that's why people-

Joe Rogan 50:01 ... it can be done.

Brian Simpson 50:02 That's why people, like it's gonna be a couple generations before people will be down with there being fully autonomous cars. Like, you know, we see all these driverless cars around this motherfucker all the time.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 50:15 But it's like, I ain't getting in one of them motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Yeah, get the fuck outta there.

Brian Simpson 50:18 No way. But, but, 'cause if they wanted to kill you, I mean we saw that in the, the, the old, the, the new Total Recall they did that, whereas like all the cars drive themselves and, but when they wanna find you, they fucking stop your car, pull you over, you know?

Joe Rogan 50:29 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 50:29 Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Well, everybody's terrified about that, you know? And, um, there's cars right now that they could shut off, i- if there's a police chase. That's what OnStar does, right? So, like if you're in one of those Corvettes, I bet that Corvette has OnStar.

Brian Simpson 50:45 Mm.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Does that Corvette have OnStar? So the, what the, the way they sell you OnStar is they say, "Well, Brian, if someone steals your car, we can just shut it off." And you're like, "Oh, that would be good. I don't want anybody stealing my beautiful car." But the, the other side of that is, we could also just shut it off for other reasons.

Brian Simpson 51:03 (laughs) Right, right.

Joe Rogan 51:04 We could shut it off because we don't like you-

Brian Simpson 51:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:07 ... and we just decided to shut your car off.

Brian Simpson 51:08 But don't worry, it says right here that that's illegal. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:10 You could have the wrong political opinion depending on who's in power. You know, you wanna give these people power because you don't want the other side to win, but then the problem is now you've established that the government, which is not always you, is going to have power, and they're gonna just be able to shut your fucking car off. Stolen C7 Corvette disabled remotely by police using OnStar. Yeah, they just shut them up. See?

Brian Simpson 51:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:31 That's a, that's a happy moment. Look at that. The, the sad moment is you got a trunk load of meth-

Brian Simpson 51:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 51:36 ... and you're making a run for it. (laughs) They just shut your car off.

Brian Simpson 51:39 Right. But imagine (laughs) , imagine being a drug runner and, and getting all the features.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Well, the drug runners always get caught going too fast. It's the dumbest fucking thing you'll ever hear.

Brian Simpson 51:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:52 They always get busted going like 60 miles an hour over the speed limit. What does it say, Jamie?

Narrator 51:57 Mandatory.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Mandatory.

Brian Simpson 51:58 My favorite.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Comes with mandatory OnStar subscription. There's no way around it.

Brian Simpson 52:03 One of my favorite online lawyers-

Joe Rogan 52:04 Whoa.

Brian Simpson 52:04 ... he always goes, his name is Bruce Rivers, but he always saying, um, "Never commit a misdemeanor while you committing a felony."

Joe Rogan 52:13 Ooh.

Brian Simpson 52:14 You know? It's like you, if you moving cocaine, don't break the speed limit.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 52:17 Put on your seatbelt.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 52:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:19 It's just the dumbest... But you get these kids that are willing to do these drug runs, and they're cocky, and they're probably using, right? So they're probably taking a little amphetamines while they're driving to stay sharp, Brian. Can't get sleepy behind the wheel. And they're probably not the most reliable people anyway. They're literal drug runners. Like, what they're doing could get them locked up for the rest of their fucking life and they're probably gonna make $2,000 for doing this.

Brian Simpson 52:44 Yeah, and they'll have some cool stories.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah, I mean who, who is gonna make the money? They're probably doing it for somebody else, right? They're probably moving it for somebody and they s- they have to sell it, and then they get a piece, and then, you know, and then they keep doing it, and that's, that's... They just have to hope they don't get arrested. And then they do it a few times, they get a little cocky. I mean someone's bringing all this shit in. Like how's it getting in? How many car... If you're a cop and you're just out there looking around at all the... How many of these moving trucks have fentanyl in them?

Brian Simpson 53:09 I think the CIA bring in most of it.

Joe Rogan 53:11 A bit, a bit of it.

Brian Simpson 53:12 I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:12 For sure.

Brian Simpson 53:12 ... 'cause who stops selling drugs when they get away with it? Nobody.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Right.

Brian Simpson 53:16 Why, why would they stop doing that?

Joe Rogan 53:17 Right. Right.

Brian Simpson 53:18 They just, now they just know how to not get caught.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Well, maybe they probably work with people.

Brian Simpson 53:22 Yeah. 'Cause, 'cause please believe, if we really, really wanted to stop drugs, it would be extreme, but we could. But we don't want to.

Joe Rogan 53:29 It would be too hard. You'd have to take away too much freedom from people. They wouldn't stand for it and they'd vote you off.

Brian Simpson 53:34 I'm talking about to stop it from coming in the country.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Yes. You could stop it from coming into the country, but you're not gonna stop a demand. The r- the real problem is, just like the prohibition of alcohol, and I'm not comparing meth with alcohol 'cause I think most people, most people that I know responsibly use alcohol. They take a few drinks. I mean, I know a bunch of people who have abused it. I know a bunch of people who stopped, had to stop drinking. But most guys that we're friends with, "Yeah, have a drink. You guys wanna do a shot? Let's do a shot. Yay." And then you go do your show and no one is getting drunk every night.

Brian Simpson 54:03 Right. I don't-

Joe Rogan 54:03 You know what I mean?

Brian Simpson 54:03 ... I don't really see anybody drunk.

Joe Rogan 54:05 But if you're out there doing meth, there's a chance you're not engaging in like responsible meth use. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 54:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:14 There's a good, there's a good chance if you're using meth, you're going hard.

Brian Simpson 54:17 You're just micro-dosing meth?

Joe Rogan 54:18 You're just go... Nah, no one ain't micro-dosing meth.

Brian Simpson 54:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:21 They're going hard. I think meth gets you to go hard. You're listening to fucking Slayer in your car and you're fired up and you're making bad decisions.

Brian Simpson 54:30 Yeah, I mean you definitely just not thinking, you're just doing.

Joe Rogan 54:33 But what is Adderall? Adderall's super close to meth. Super close.

Brian Simpson 54:37 It's the, it's an amphetamine for sure.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Yeah, it's not the same.... but it's-

Brian Simpson 54:42 And yeah, you get-

Joe Rogan 54:43 ... it's in the hunt. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 54:44 You could... People do wild shit on that shit, too.

Joe Rogan 54:45 Especially if you take a lot of it, if you take a lot of it, it might as well be meth.

Brian Simpson 54:49 If you slur-

Joe Rogan 54:49 And people abuse the shit out of everything. You tell them to take one, they're gonna take five or six-

Brian Simpson 54:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:53 ... if it doesn't give them a heart attack.

Brian Simpson 54:53 But I think the biggest problem is, like, most people's lives suck so bad, that, like, drugs is their only thing. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 55:01 That's true, too. That's true, too. Yeah.

Brian Simpson 55:03 'Cause that's, that's happy... That's instant happiness. It's like-

Joe Rogan 55:05 That's true.

Brian Simpson 55:05 Even when you... 'Cause, you know, what the fuck was so funny is, I think a lot of people assume that a, that most of the, like, homeless people on the street, um, are homeless because they got a drug, they had a drug problem. But it's usually the other way around. They usually are fine when they hit the street, and they, they start using drugs. 'Cause, like, what else the fuck are you gonna do? Where, where else you gonna get happiness from?

Joe Rogan 55:26 Right.

Brian Simpson 55:26 You not, you're not warm, you're not safe.

Joe Rogan 55:28 Well, there's probably a bunch of different scenarios there. But a lot of it has to do with drug use.

Brian Simpson 55:32 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 And a lot of it has to do with self-medicating. A lot of those people are just, like, severely mentally ill-

Brian Simpson 55:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:37 ... and really should be in some sort of an institution.

Brian Simpson 55:40 People are never gonna stop getting high.

Joe Rogan 55:42 No. They're not going to.

Brian Simpson 55:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:44 This is... I'm smoking a cigar right now.

Brian Simpson 55:45 And I, and I don't know if... I don't know what the s- I don't know if the solution is, oh, just legalize everything, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:51 I don't know that either.

Brian Simpson 55:51 I would've, I would've said that five years ago, but, um... And maybe that is the ultimate solution, but it, but the way it's implemented... 'Cause I think they, they tried that in Seattle or Portland or somewhere like that.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Yeah, they had to stop it.

Brian Simpson 56:03 Yeah, and so it's like... But they also just went from what we doing now to, like, just everything's legal?

Joe Rogan 56:08 Yeah, yeah.

Brian Simpson 56:09 It's like, you can't do that.

Joe Rogan 56:09 But they also, it's Portland. They're ridiculous.

Brian Simpson 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Those people are ridiculous. That was Seattle, right?

Brian Simpson 56:15 Uh, I think it was Seattle.

Joe Rogan 56:16 No. Was it Portland or Seattle? Which one was it that... It was Oregon that legalized everything, right?

Brian Simpson 56:21 Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Oregon.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Yeah, it was Oregon. So was Portland.

Brian Simpson 56:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Portland's ridiculous. They're ridiculous. So if you just say you can just do drugs wherever you want, just do whatever you want, everything's legal now, everyone's just gonna be brazen about it. You've got a culture that was, that, it was demonized for so long. And you have a, a culture of mental illness, where people are looking for something to get them out of this rut that they're in. And the only thing that makes them feel good is fentanyl or oxycodone or whatever the fuck they're taking.

Brian Simpson 56:50 Man...

Joe Rogan 56:50 Whatever that shit that makes you lean over. What's that stuff?

Brian Simpson 56:53 There's a lot of shit they do there.

Joe Rogan 56:54 The stuff that... W- where they doing yoga in the street?

Narrator 56:57 Trank.

Joe Rogan 56:57 Trank?

Narrator 56:57 Yeah, something like that, I think.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Whatever the fuck they're doing, these people, they're trying to escape, right?

Brian Simpson 57:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 And the, the idea that you just, like, leave them... They're obviously, like, severely mentally ill. Like, if we spend money on people with illness, why don't we spend money on people with mental illness? It seems like if you want to support Medicaid, shouldn't you support, like, m- m- mass, uh, m- medical, uh, assistance to most of these people? 'Cause a lot of them are probably severely mentally ill and unmedicated, and maybe they can be helped.

Brian Simpson 57:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Maybe someone can take them into an institution, get some-

Brian Simpson 57:31 There's somebody calling you a socialist right now in the comments section right now.

Joe Rogan 57:33 I am in a lot of ways. I am, with some things, like the fire department. I think the fire department is a very socialist idea. We're all gonna put our money into this, this one group of people that's gonna act in the best interests of the entire community and put out fires everywhere, regardless of who's got money or doesn't. Like, if you're a poor person and you live on this block and your house catches on fire, they don't say, "We're not gonna put that fire out. We're only able to put the big guy's fire out." No, if the fucking house gets on fire, everybody agrees that that fire needs to get put out, so the fire people-

Brian Simpson 58:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:04 ... move. That's... You spend your tax dollars on that.

Brian Simpson 58:06 See, that's how I feel about healthcare is like-

Joe Rogan 58:07 That's... It's, it's true. That's a good way-

Brian Simpson 58:09 That's like imagine-

Joe Rogan 58:09 ... to look at it.

Brian Simpson 58:10 It's like imagine the fire department could deny you when your house was burning. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:13 See, the problem is they're already making so much money doing it the way they're doing it now. And they've got a really good system. If I was a business person involved in that system, not just a human being with ethics and morals, I would say, "This is the way to do it. This is the way we're gonna make the most money."

Brian Simpson 58:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:29 But, but people are tired of it. That's why people were cheering when that guy got shot, which is kinda fucked up.

Brian Simpson 58:35 'Cause here's the, here's the truth of the matter, some shit just can't be for profit. If we, if we want it to be for the, the best, some stuff can't be for profit.

Joe Rogan 58:43 The thing about that guy shooting that person that's the most disturbing wasn't just that every- that a lot of people cheered for it. But what was the most disturbing was that people weren't mad. They weren't outraged. They didn't treat it like a regular assassination. It was like an assassination where he deserved it. Right? It didn't seem like a bad... Even, even though people were like, "That was horrible," it didn't seem like as bad a thing as, like, if someone shot John Lennon.

Brian Simpson 59:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:07 You know what I mean? Or not even a famous person. If someone just randomly shot some, you know, executive as he was walking out.

Brian Simpson 59:15 Look, you know how I reacted? The same way when they got Osama bin Laden. I was like... It's the same to me.

Joe Rogan 59:21 Really?

Brian Simpson 59:22 Yeah, it was like the, the... 'Cause w- think about this.

Joe Rogan 59:24 You feel, you feel like that insurance guy was Osama bin Laden?

Brian Simpson 59:26 No, but I mean, they both, they both are res- indirectly responsible for the deaths of how many Americans? Except he was doing it for profit. Osama was doing it for the love of the game-

Joe Rogan 59:37 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 59:37 ... or whatever.

Joe Rogan 59:38 I do think it's a corporate capture issue.

Brian Simpson 59:40 It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:40 'Cause I think the culture of the c- the corporation is to make as much money as possible and deny more people than the other insurance companies do. Like, they, they had a higher rate of denying.

Brian Simpson 59:51 Yeah. Like, you can't let people's grandmas die and-

Joe Rogan 59:54 No.

Brian Simpson 59:54 ... let them stay in pain and shit and then expect them to have empathy for it.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Did you ever see that one video, I think we played it on the podcast, where this woman talked about how, uh, she made a decision to deny someone care that they definitely needed, and she was thanked by the company. And then the guy wound up dying, and she knows that she could have given him the lifesaving care. She could have improved it. And she was rewarded for not approving it. Like, they were like, "You did the right thing."

Brian Simpson 1:00:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 So that's like the culture is not about... It's... See, like, what we were talking about earlier. It's not really about healthcare. Healthcare is the arena in which they're playing their game. But the real game is the people behind the scenes that are trying to make money. And especially if you're doing something that is not... You don't have a lot of mean- it doesn't give you a lot of meaning to deny people healthcare. It doesn't give you a lot of meaning. Like, you don't feel like you have a meaningful life. So those people, guarantee you, they get addicted to mat- th- material stuff. They get addicted to getting a nice Rolex. "I want to get the newest Rolex." "I want to get a fucking Ferrari." "I want to-"

Brian Simpson 1:00:57 And you, and you also gotta...... like, it got, it gotta switch up your whole ethic.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Yep, yep.

Brian Simpson 1:01:02 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 And you gotta somehow or another placate yourself, whether it's with drugs or with buying a new purse, something. You need new stuff all ... You're not gonna live in a fucking log hut in the woods if you're living like that. You're not gonna be interested in starting your own fire and reading books by candlelight. Shut the fuck up. You're, you're doing cocaine and you're trying to buy a house.

Brian Simpson 1:01:22 Y- and you're, and you're surrounded by people that, like-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:01:25 ... they're, they're impressed by the shit you're doing too, so when you do that-

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 And they probably all medicated.

Brian Simpson 1:01:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Everybody's on probably something that, like, allows them to, like, not freak out all the time, some sort of anti-anxiety medication because of what they're doing. And then they're not, they don't feel fulfilled in life, you know? You don't, you don't feel like that's a good relationship between you and the way you make money and the way you interact with people.

Brian Simpson 1:01:49 No, I don't think they feel guilt. I mean, some people might feel guilty afterwards, but I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 I think a lot of them are medicated.

Brian Simpson 1:01:53 ... I don't, I don't think they feel bad, man. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 I think they're medicated.

Brian Simpson 1:01:55 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 I bet ... Yeah. I bet if you're in ... I bet you have anxiety when you're doing stuff like that and you probably need an SSRI, probably need a little something.

Brian Simpson 1:02:02 T- but the, like, the easiest person to lie to is yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 1:02:05 So it's like, you probably feel like shit that you get that first paycheck and you go, you start twisting shit so you can justify it. Like, "Well, you know, somebody would do this."

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 And you also realize, hey, the, the re- rest of the public, they don't know. They don't know. That's just the insurance business. That's the business.

Brian Simpson 1:02:19 Phew. Yeah. Well, this is, this is standard.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:02:22 Standard's a word they use a lot when they trying to fuck you.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 They ... People looked at it very differently than someone just shooting some other person.

Brian Simpson 1:02:27 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 They almost looked at it-

Brian Simpson 1:02:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 ... like he deserved it.

Brian Simpson 1:02:30 And it wa- and it wasn't bipartisan. That's what I mean. That-

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Right.

Brian Simpson 1:02:32 That was the wildest thing about the whole thing. It was like y- you couldn't tell b- by any other information from anybody how they felt about it. I just felt nothing, honestly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 It was weird too 'cause it gave a lot of liberal grifters the opportunity to celebrate someone getting shot and murdered violently, which is like, should be the, the complete opposite of the way they view violent crime. They should think of violence as being the last resort. Violence is abhorrent. Violence is not a part of a civilized society. We want kindness and compassion and we want people to be able to live their life hea- ... You don't want violent murderers on the street if you are a progressive, but a lot of progressives were cheering when this guy got murdered.

Brian Simpson 1:03:20 Yeah. I mean, the thing is-

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 It just shows how many grifters and hypocrites there are.

Brian Simpson 1:03:22 The thing is, I would ... 'Cause the, for me, it just depends on who got murdered. I'm not rooting for a murderer, but if certain people die, I'm like, "Well, you know."

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Well, I don't even know what this guy's-

Brian Simpson 1:03:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 ... relationship to that guy was. I don't know why he wanted to kill him-

Brian Simpson 1:03:39 I don't.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 ... specifically.

Brian Simpson 1:03:40 And they haven't said specifically. I mean, there's a lot of speculation about was it a family member or, like, he'd had a back surgery that screwed him up and ... But I, like I said, I only, I only get the news that, like, rises, that's, like, forced in my face 'cause I don't s- ... I don't watch any of the ... I don't watch the channels.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 And to me it's, it's different than, like, let's say some Iraq war veteran assassinated Dick Cheney. Like, that to me makes more sense. That one makes more sense.

Brian Simpson 1:04:12 But I think he w-

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 Like, here's a guy-

Brian Simpson 1:04:12 I think he-

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 ... who knows that this guy engineered this thing where they m- lied about weapons of mass destruction, led us into a war that ultimately wind up killing who knows how many people.

Brian Simpson 1:04:23 But I think peop- ... I think Dick Cheney would have got a better reaction than, than this guy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 You think people would have been sad that Dick Cheney got shot? Well, they would have thought it's very dangerous-

Brian Simpson 1:04:33 No-

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 ... 'cause when a-

Brian Simpson 1:04:33 No, but I think-

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 ... whenever a vice president gets shot everybody feels vulnerable.

Brian Simpson 1:04:35 But I think that's a, that's something that you can, you can partisanize. Is partisanize a word? I think it's something you can ma-

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Try it. Try it out and see if it's a word.

Brian Simpson 1:04:41 ... you can ma- you can make partisan. (laughs) But with i- but like I said, that's what was special, that's what's special. That's what's special about this is-

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Everybody got fucked over by insurance companies.

Brian Simpson 1:04:48 Everybody got fucked over with, like ...

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:04:49 So, like, there's people that love Dick Cheney or there's people that still hold, like, those politics-

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:04:53 ... from back then.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 I don't know-

Brian Simpson 1:04:54 There's-

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 ... if anybody loved Dick Cheney. That's why it was-

Brian Simpson 1:04:56 No-

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 ... really crazy when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and they were all like, "Yeah." Like, "What are you ta- ... What? That guy? What?"

Brian Simpson 1:05:02 (laughs) Well, the-

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 "You forgot?"

Brian Simpson 1:05:03 Yeah, but, but I just mean I don't think peop- ... I don't think he is as hated as ... I mean, the truth is, nobody ... I didn't even ... Nobody knew that CEO's name before this, but the whole business is hate it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 1:05:16 So it's like th- he became the face for that. And it's, it's definitely apolitical. It's like, like I don't know a single, I don't know a single person that hasn't had an issue with health insurance.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 Yeah. Well, again, it's a business. It's a business designed to make money and all of them wanna make ... I mean, they have an obligation. They need to make more money next quarter. What can we do? What can we do? And they start denying people. And if you're using AI, like, specifically to deny people, like, like let's make this more efficient-

Brian Simpson 1:05:49 Wow. Is that what's happening now?

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 (sighs) I don't know if that's true, but I've read it, I've read it that some insurance companies are using AI to deny more claims than ever. See if that's true. I wouldn't be shocked. Would you be shocked? If you're a company and you're trying to make the most money and you find out that there's software that'll allow you to make more money and all you care about is making money, you're not really caring about healthcare. You don't want people to feel ... I- if you did, you'd say, "We should all make less money and give out more money to these people. We could, you know, accept more claims and we would have a, a much healthier world."

Brian Simpson 1:06:19 That's never gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 "And we would feel better karmically." Right? Wouldn't that be nice if they thought like that? (laughs)

Brian Simpson 1:06:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 You'd have to own the company. You'd have to be, like, a guru, like a really calm, peaceful guru and you would own the company and just have, like, an ethical insurance company and not give anybody stake in it. Don't let anybody, like, try to juice the system 'cause they wanna make more money.

Brian Simpson 1:06:38 Oh, like a m- ... Like, not, like, not a public company.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Exactly. Stay private.

Brian Simpson 1:06:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Stay private.

Brian Simpson 1:06:44 Yeah. But don't you think the type of person that really-

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 Stay golden, pony boy.

Brian Simpson 1:06:46 ... would want to make an insurance company ... Like, I think you would have to be a certain type, a certain type.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 Right. Yeah, you have to be a psychopath.

Brian Simpson 1:06:51 And you're like, "I should profit from suffering somehow."

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 Yeah. I should ... Well, you're gambling, right? You're gambling that something doesn't happen to you that's more expensive than all the payments you give me every month for 10 years.

Brian Simpson 1:07:01 Yeah. 'Cause I think if you, if you start heading in that direction of, like, ethical healthcare-

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:07:05 ... eventually you gonna arrive at, "Oh, there shouldn't be health insurance." (laughs) It should just cost what it costs. It should-

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 Well, it should probably be the same way we treat the fire department.... but if we're going to do that, and people say, "What about all these people who are obese? What about all these people who are, like, eating bad food?" Yeah, we've got to educate our society. We have to think of ourselves as a community, as a collective community, educate ourselves, and healthcare should be something that's paid for by the government. "Insurance companies use artificial intelligence to automatically deny claims, which you can raise concerns about bias and inaccuracies." Which can raise concerns about bias and inaccuracies. "If your claim is denied by AI, you can take steps to understand your rights and challenge the denial. Keep records. Document all correspondence with your insurer, including denial letters and any communication about AI. A lawyer can help you understand your rights and determine if the denial was made in bad faith." Like, you're fucked. Yeah, for most people, especially people that work all day and you're dealing with this shit, you're fucked.

Narrator 1:08:03 They made a... I think this is in California.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 "Landmark law prohibits health insurance companies from using AI to deny healthcare coverage." All right. That's great. Especially, like, using it specifically to deny. So, that's California. That's great law. The whole country should adopt that.

Brian Simpson 1:08:18 Using AI to deny.

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 Yeah. I really think that the problem is that there's been a long history of profit for healthcare, and that they go into it to profit. And the r- the real problem with that is-

Brian Simpson 1:08:32 It seems to me-

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 ... you want. but you also want the best surgeons, right? You want the best doctors, and they have to be motivated. And most of them are motivated both by excelling in their practice and also by material possessions that reward them. Like, doctors always have, like, a Porsche. Doctors have a Mercedes. Doctors have a nice house. Like, "You should be a doctor, Brian. You should be a doctor, a nice doctor."

Brian Simpson 1:08:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Doctors make a lot of money, but they also have a fuckload of bills and they have a fuckload of insurance. Okay?

Brian Simpson 1:09:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 So, they have ... the problem with them is, like, liability insurance. Like, liability insurance for malpractice insurance for doctors is crazy expensive.

Brian Simpson 1:09:11 But don't doctors still make good money in country still?

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 They do, but they're, they're constantly moving people in and out of their office because they got a fucking, uh, heavy nut to cover every month.

Narrator 1:09:20 Convenient lie.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 "United Health is facing multiple class action lawsuits over its use of algorithms, its investment practices, and its treatment of patients. Uh, algorithm used to claim processing. United Health is facing a class action lawsuit over the algorithm it uses to process claims."

Narrator 1:09:37 Mm.

Brian Simpson 1:09:37 Mm.

Narrator 1:09:37 They're gonna sue the hell out of it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Yeah.

Narrator 1:09:39 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Yeah, yeah. Monsters, monsters.

Brian Simpson 1:09:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 But this is also because we've set up a system of profit. Now, imagine if that system of profit existed for the fire department. Imagine if you had to pay fire department fees every month, and if you didn't and your house burned, they go, "Hey, Brian, we just checked and you don't have fire coverage." And so then, now you're fucked. That sounds-

Brian Simpson 1:09:59 You can't, you can't get risk money, money.

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 ... crazy. That's crazy, right?

Brian Simpson 1:10:01 Yeah. I mean, I, I haven't seen it happen.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 Right? So, then so, we agree that the fire department should be kind of a socialist organization.

Brian Simpson 1:10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 Okay. Why not healthcare?

Brian Simpson 1:10:10 Uh, yeah. That's how I feel.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 But then the problem is, you know, Doctor fucking Grossman, he wants, wants a Ferrari. He's the baddest motherfucker for fixing knees. He fixes everybody's knees on the Lakers. He wants some money.

Brian Simpson 1:10:23 Give him a Ferrari.

Joe Rogan 1:10:24 He's the best! Yeah, but the problem with that is, like, how do you