Joe Rogan Experience #2271 - John Reeves

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

John Reeves 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Good to see you, my friend.

John Reeves 0:13 Good to be seen. Thank you, good to see you.

Joe Rogan 0:15 We were supposed to be doing the end of the year, but unfortunately, you got caught with the cooties.

John Reeves 0:20 I did. I did. And, uh...

Joe Rogan 0:22 What'd you get?

John Reeves 0:22 ... I can officially announce that the end of 2024 is right now.

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs) Well-

John Reeves 0:29 Been waiting for that.

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... calendar's all bullshit anyway. Supposed to be on that old one that's 13 months.

John Reeves 0:35 There you go.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Um, so what happened? What'd you catch?

John Reeves 0:38 Well, I thought I had bronchitis. All the- everybody in the house had it and we go to CrossFit, and they all had it. I go to CrossFit Jackson. My trainer's Megan Russell there, and she's going, "Ah, you know, you, you might wanna take it easy a little bit." Of course, I'm smoking cigarettes, and I got bronchitis. And I go to a clinic, they give me some drugs. "Yeah, you got bronchitis." Go home, couple days later, I'm sleeping in my chair and my wife has one of those little oxygen modern things that you put on your finger. She wakes me up and goes, uh, "All right, let's go." "Well, what do you mean, 'Let's go'?" "Oxygen levels. You're going to the hospital." "What? I'm just sitting here taking a nap." "No, you're going to the hospital." So I said, "Okay." So we get... It's late at night. We go to St. Vincent's Clinic, go in, it's late, and, um, sitting there waiting for the doctor. Arian Afshari, great guy, turns out. He comes in and looking at me. He's young enough to be one of my kids. He goes, stethoscope, listening to my lungs. He goes, "Do you smoke?" I said, "Yeah." He says, "You need to quit." I said, "I just did."

Joe Rogan 2:06 (laughs)

John Reeves 2:07 He goes, "What?" I said, "I just did. I'm done. Now what do we do?" He goes, "Well, next, you're going to the hospital. This is just a clinic." I said, "What do you mean I'm going to the hospital?" He says, "You haven't got bronchitis. You got pneumonia, and I think you got double pneumonia. So you're going right now."

Joe Rogan 2:26 What's double pneumonia?

John Reeves 2:27 Both lungs.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Oh.

John Reeves 2:30 The bad kind.

Joe Rogan 2:31 The bad kind.

John Reeves 2:32 He says, "But the good news is you don't have bronchitis." (laughs) I said, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 2:37 I guess that's good news.

John Reeves 2:38 And that, that was about the time I was supposed to be in the studio with you. Uh, just a couple days before that.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Wow.

John Reeves 2:45 And I'm going, "Wow, this kind of screw up my plans." As you know, best made plans and all that.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Listen, the plans are all bullshit. We made those up.

John Reeves 2:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 We'll do it at the end of the year (laughs) if you... It doesn't have to be that.

John Reeves 2:57 All right. Well, I look-

Joe Rogan 2:57 Most-

John Reeves 2:58 Thanks for the invite. I look forward to it this year.

Joe Rogan 3:00 I'm just happy that you're okay.

John Reeves 3:01 I am okay. And, and-

Joe Rogan 3:02 The date didn't matter, you know. Things happen.

John Reeves 3:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:05 I'm just glad you recovered. And I'm glad you quit smoking too.

John Reeves 3:08 Yeah. He says, "You need to quit smoking." I did, and went to the hospital. I was in there for almost five days. And I haven't been in a hospital in a while, but they, they have it... St. Vincent's did a great job. The nurses have their little machines they wheel around, and they come into your room every, it seemed like quite often, to check your vitals, to do this, to do intravenous, to do that.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Yeah.

John Reeves 3:30 So I'm sitting in there and couldn't sleep. So I'm one of those guys, if you walk by the door and you see an old guy sitting on a bed looking out the door, that's me.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Mm-hmm.

John Reeves 3:40 So I maybe got a hour, two hours of sleep at night.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Did you have a hard time kicking the cigarettes? You've been... 'Cause you've been smoking, like, your whole life, right?

John Reeves 3:47 I did. I've smoked for over 50 years. And I know it's bad for me, and I've never been an anti-smoking crusader, but if anything good comes of my appearance with you today was that this Dr. Afshari, total stranger, guy I never met before in my life, happened to tell me at the right exact time, "You need to quit." And I've been thinking I need to quit for a long time. My loved ones told me that, my wife, my kids, and I never... Okay, yeah, that's a good idea.

Joe Rogan 4:19 It's a weird thing because it kills you slowly. And along the way, it gives you just a little bit of happiness, a little bit of happiness while it kills you slowly. And it's not just a problem of killing you slowly, it's how it's gonna kill you. The way it's gonna kill you, it's gonna suffocate you.

John Reeves 4:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:35 Um, I have a friend, my friend Mike, who, uh, owns the Comedy and Magic Club in Hermosa Beach, and he was trying to convince a friend of mine to quit smoking because his wife is a nurse. I believe so. I believe ............................ But he was explaining that, um, the way people die of lung cancer, the way people die at the end, and he's like, "It's horrible." Like, it's hor-... You don't see that. You just hear "He died of cancer." You don't see what the final days are like. And it's avoidable. It's avoidable.

John Reeves 5:04 Yeah, well, since I quit, well, I don't cough anymore.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Isn't that crazy?

John Reeves 5:08 It's crazy. I can breathe better and I, I'm still re-... uh, you know, getting better from the, uh, pneumonia.

Joe Rogan 5:17 I'm sure.

John Reeves 5:17 'Cause it takes a while to get over that. But I was-

Joe Rogan 5:19 Yeah, I was amazed that you could still fly so quickly.

John Reeves 5:22 We drove.

Joe Rogan 5:23 You drove from Alaska?

John Reeves 5:25 No, from Florida.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Oh, that's right, Florida in the west.

John Reeves 5:27 We were in Florida and-

Joe Rogan 5:28 How long did that take though? That's a couple days.

John Reeves 5:30 It was a couple days.

Joe Rogan 5:31 Jesus Christ.

John Reeves 5:32 Well, we had stuff we didn't wanna put on the airlines.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Got it.

John Reeves 5:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:36 Wink. Government. (laughs)

John Reeves 5:38 (laughs) I was-

Joe Rogan 5:39 Yeah.

John Reeves 5:39 I'm just teasing. We, uh, we went on a road trip, went on a little adventure. You know, it's... You fly over this country at 45,000 feet and you're looking out the window, it's a big country.

Joe Rogan 5:49 It happens in two hours.

John Reeves 5:51 I-That's right.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Yeah.

John Reeves 5:52 And you're looking out and you suddenly you see a little dot and see some houses and you go, "I wonder what those people do down there."

Joe Rogan 5:58 That's a real problem with people who don't venture outside of the bubbles. If they're in those, those left-wing liberal bubbles like New York and California, the people that don't travel... What, what helped me a lot is doing stand-up on the road.

John Reeves 6:09 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 6:10 Because I was on, I was everywhere. So I would go to all these different towns all over the country, you get to see a whole different group of people, a whole different kind of people. You know, it's like people are the same and different everywhere you go. And this idea that the people in the middle are stupid, especially now, that's a really dumb way to look at it because of the internet. Now everybody kind of has access to information and you're gonna have dumb people and you're gonna have smart people no matter where you go, including in the cities. But the problem in the cities is the dumb people can trick you because they believe the things that the smart people believe and they say them loudly. And so they think they're smart. So this is a way to be smart without actually being smart. Just say the things that smart people say and say it like you're defending it and you're defending freedom or science or some shit, democracy, whatever it is. You just yell it out. And then the smart people won't say anything because you're saying the things that they want to say and the other people are like, "Hey, I know what you're doing," and it, it more than anything it turns people off.

John Reeves 7:07 Exactly. By traveling, you having a chance at having an adventure.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

John Reeves 7:12 Something cool could happen.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah, you run into interesting characters.

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Joe Rogan 8:24 Regular humans just living different lives, you know, and they're all over the place and they're all unique. You know, that's the cool thing about this country, if you really did have the time. That's what I loved about Anthony Bourdain's show, especially the first one of the hour is y- you go to these, like, little hot dog stands in New Jersey and just, it, it, you just hang out with people and street food and, you know, you just get a, just a bigger picture of humans and life.

John Reeves 8:48 When we got to, uh, I forget, Texas, there was a place called Bucky's.

Joe Rogan 8:54 Oh, yeah.

John Reeves 8:55 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 8:56 Isn't that crazy?

John Reeves 8:57 Y-

Joe Rogan 8:57 First time you go there you're like, "What the hell is this place?"

John Reeves 9:00 Two, there... 200 gas pumps.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Yeah.

John Reeves 9:02 I went, "What are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 9:04 (laughs)

John Reeves 9:04 (laughs) We paid a buck 47 a gallon.

Joe Rogan 9:07 (groans) .

John Reeves 9:07 That's three times what I, or three times less than what I pay in Alaska.

Joe Rogan 9:11 Oh, yeah. Alaska's got to be rough, right? But meanwhile, that's where they get the oil. Isn't the oil, like, real close to there?

John Reeves 9:16 It's r- runs right through my property.

Joe Rogan 9:18 (laughs)

John Reeves 9:18 I helped build that son of a bitch. So, any, anyways.

Joe Rogan 9:22 (yawns)

John Reeves 9:22 Yeah, no, that's, I've never understood the economics of how that works.

Joe Rogan 9:25 California's the worst. I believe the way, we tried to figure this out the other day, I don't think we got to the bottom of it though. I think California has to use gasoline that's refined in California. So it's one of the reasons why, and then, I'm sure, crazy fucking carbon taxes, whatever. They, they, they ramp up some of, extra shit to make it more expensive because you're, you're looking at a price per gallon that's like a couple bucks more a gallon always than it is here. As soon as we came here I was like, "What happened to gas prices? Why, why is it so much less here?"

John Reeves 9:55 Y- you get a little plastic bottle of water, right?

Joe Rogan 9:59 Mm-hmm.

John Reeves 9:59 12 ounces.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yeah.

John Reeves 10:02 You look at that bottle, you'll pay two bucks for it in a 7-Eleven, you know, for that little bottle of water. Four of those bottles of water make a gallon. You're paying eight bucks a gallon for water. Water is the most abundant thing on the planet. It's everywhere.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Right.

John Reeves 10:19 Except in some parts of California, apparently they didn't want to have the-

Joe Rogan 10:22 (laughs)

John Reeves 10:22 ... reservoirs filled up.

Joe Rogan 10:24 Well, they had to put a lid on it, Jon. There's a lid and the lid was broken.

John Reeves 10:28 Remember we talked about that 60 foot diameter water line coming down from Southeast-

Joe Rogan 10:33 Mm-hmm.

John Reeves 10:33 ... Alaska to-

Joe Rogan 10:34 Yeah.

John Reeves 10:34 ... California?

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yeah.

John Reeves 10:36 That would have been helpful.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yeah. Yeah, we talked about that.

John Reeves 10:39 Uh-

Joe Rogan 10:39 Like, if they can do that with oil, why can't they do, uh, that with water?

John Reeves 10:43 Because they're afraid there'd be a water leak in the Pacific Ocean. You can't have water leaks.

Joe Rogan 10:47 Yeah, you can't drown the ocean, that's terrible. It's a good way of thinking.

John Reeves 10:49 Oh. So anyways, so you're looking at eight bucks a gallon for water.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Yeah.

John Reeves 10:53 But oil, you gotta go for sale, you gotta go find it.

Joe Rogan 10:56 Right.

John Reeves 10:56 Then you gotta do all kinds of seismic work. Then you gotta drill and then you gotta discover it and then you gotta build a well and then you gotta build feeder lines and then you got to get it to a pump station, then you gotta get it somewhere in a pipeline, then you gotta ship it 4,000 miles.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Yeah, and you gotta use it to ship it, which is even crazier.

John Reeves 11:13 And you're paying a buck 47 a gallon.

Joe Rogan 11:18 (laughs)

John Reeves 11:18 (laughs) How's this working, boys? I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Yeah. It is crazy. And how much, uh, do you have? How is it, how we burned so much and it's still there? How much is there? How much do you guys have left? (laughs)

John Reeves 11:28 They got a bunch in Alaska.

Joe Rogan 11:29 (laughs) They got a bunch everywhere.

John Reeves 11:30 I bet they got a bunch in Greenland too.

Joe Rogan 11:33 There is a book that I read, a book that I read I think in the '90s called Black Gold Stranglehold. Maybe early 2000s, and I never found out if it was real or not. W- well, I n- I never looked into it any further. I need to talk to, like, an expert. But this guy was essentially saying that oil is a natural property of Earth and that it's not like dinosaur fossils, like, we like to think about it, fossil fuels, dinosaurs and plants break down, they make oil. He, no, he said oil is a natural component of Earth and that...... the proof is in the fact that if they have s- these wells that go dry, they can wait just a little while, and then they could go back to the well again, and it'll replenish itself.

John Reeves 12:13 Yep.

Joe Rogan 12:14 How is that possible if this is just decaying matter over millions and millions of years? It doesn't make sense. Unless it's coming, seeping in from other areas that they don't have access to, and it somehow or another gets to that well, like it's all like a stream underground. Which begs the question, like, how much is there? Well, they found out that there's three times more water in the ground, underground, than there is in all the oceans of Earth.

John Reeves 12:41 (laughs) Some crazy stuff, dude.

Joe Rogan 12:42 Crazy stuff. That I didn't even make sense, 'cause they said the water's trap- I think they're saying the water's trapped in rocks. Is that what they're saying? See, see if you can find that article. It's, uh, three times as much water under the ground as the ocean. Like, how? Wha- three times?

John Reeves 13:01 Mm-hmm. Yeah. It says it's stored within a mineral called re- ringwoodite.

Joe Rogan 13:05 Ringwoodite.

John Reeves 13:06 Which is a mineral within ringwoodite.

Joe Rogan 13:06 What does it look like?

John Reeves 13:08 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Does it have a picture?

John Reeves 13:11 I'll Google that.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Like some fucking Avatar mineral, some glowing blue mineral filled with water.

John Reeves 13:15 Yeah, yeah, that's kinda what it looks like.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Really?

John Reeves 13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:17 With, oh, shit! That's crazy. I called it. (laughs)

John Reeves 13:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:20 Magnesium silicate. Wow, it's beautiful. Show me an image of that shit.

John Reeves 13:26 I'll have to look into that.

Joe Rogan 13:28 "Key points about it. The hidden ocean's found under hundreds of miles below the Earth's surface in the transition zone between the upper and lower mantle. The water's trapped within the crystal structure of the mineral ringwoodite. Significance: This discovery could significantly alter our understanding of the Earth's water cycle and potentially provide insights into the origin of water on our planet." Whoa. Thank God there's scientists out there. Except, th- you know, of course the cocksuckers that fucking steal your phones won't give 'em back.

John Reeves 13:56 Motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Fuck those guys. But other scientists, like these cool guys that figured this out, these cool guys, gals, and nonbinary folk. That is wild stuff, man. Three times as much ocean as is in the ocean? That's so crazy. So that's the transition zone. It's all hydrated. How long before, like, rappers start wearing that around a w- a necklace? That seems like s- a- a dope necklace.

John Reeves 14:21 That's sweet.

Joe Rogan 14:22 That's that shit that they make water out of.

John Reeves 14:24 Dope.

Joe Rogan 14:25 (laughs)

John Reeves 14:26 You just gotta sell it to someone. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yeah, you just need some Kendrick Lamar-type influencer, someone who's at the top of his game, to start wearing it. You know, like Kanye in his prime, he could've, he could've got that out there. (laughs)

John Reeves 14:40 By the way, I wanna thank you for your, uh, podcast, and the one with, uh, President Trump.

Joe Rogan 14:46 Oh, you're welcome.

John Reeves 14:47 I thought that was great. And I made the mistake of complimenting you on, on that page. I said, "I really enjoyed the podcast between you and President Trump." Jesus Christ. 8,000 people coming at me. "I'm stopping to follow you. You're a nasty person. I hate you."

Joe Rogan 15:09 This is on your page?

John Reeves 15:10 On my page.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah, you gotta stop reading the comments.

John Reeves 15:13 I know. A great man once told me that.

Joe Rogan 15:15 (laughs)

John Reeves 15:15 The problem is, I don't take advice and I don't give advice.

Joe Rogan 15:18 (laughs)

John Reeves 15:19 But I'm trying to.

Joe Rogan 15:20 I don't give a whole lot of advice. I guess I do sometimes, but only with really important stuff. Like, that's an important one.

John Reeves 15:26 Yeah, I've-

Joe Rogan 15:26 You can't fix those... And they will affect the way you think.

John Reeves 15:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 They affect the way people behave.

John Reeves 15:31 Yep.

Joe Rogan 15:31 They affect th- your freedom of expression, to freely express yourself.

John Reeves 15:35 I think it had a great impact on the election, myself.

Joe Rogan 15:38 I think, I think it had an impact. Yeah.

John Reeves 15:39 'Cause i- it showed d- showed, um, Mr. Trump as a regular guy.

Joe Rogan 15:44 As a human. Yeah.

John Reeves 15:45 Yeah. It humanized him.

Joe Rogan 15:46 Yeah, well, he also was right about a lot of shit.

John Reeves 15:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:49 The fact that he called the problem with the LA fires months before they happened-

John Reeves 15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 ... was literally saying what they needed to do-

John Reeves 15:56 Yep.

Joe Rogan 15:56 ... what they're doing wrong, and then, boom, two times the size of Manhattan is gone.

John Reeves 16:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:02 It's so crazy when you see it live, or- or excuse me, uh, from above, like on video, when they do the drone sweeps over it. Fucking... Yeah, like a bomb went off, like a fucking nuclear bomb-

John Reeves 16:13 Yep.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... hit that part of the state. It's nuts.

John Reeves 16:16 Well, maybe they can rebuild it after rebuild Hawaii and North Carolina.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Yeah.

John Reeves 16:21 And take care of some of those guys.

Joe Rogan 16:22 They're still working on shit that's blown over in Florida, right?

John Reeves 16:25 Yep. We saw a lot of it in Ge- in Georgia when we went through.

Joe Rogan 16:29 Yeah. I mean, there's, you're always gonna have a certain amount of hurricane damage, and d- but if we don't take care of that first, and instead we spend $200 million on transgender animal studies, like, what the fuck? What are we doing? Like, why aren't we allocating money to the most important things we have, which is people and their safety and their homes and to be able to rebuild? The fact that they get a $770 check and that's it, that's all those people in Maui got? That's just to let you know, like, th- this is a fucking rigged game. So even if you're not happy with what Elon Musk is doing, and he has access that he shouldn't have and all this different stuff, y- you, y- you gotta rip the Band-Aid off, kids.

John Reeves 17:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:13 This country is trillions of dollars-

John Reeves 17:16 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 17:16 $36 trillion in debt, and a lot of the stuff that's listed on US Aid, all the stuff that's coming out, all these different things that they paid for, they're so frivolous and so fucking insane. W- it wouldn't be too cra- it wouldn't be as crazy if we were, A, $36 trillion in debt, and B, not taking care of people in Maui and North Carolina.

John Reeves 17:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:37 But the fact that those things exist, that those three things exist, and then people are still... They don't wanna say that he's right. They're, they're so locked into this idea. Like, if a Democrat had found all that, if Joe Biden had went in and found corruption that was in the, the, the halls of our government and tried to weed it out and said, "There's corruption in these NGOs, there's corruption in these, you know, not-for-profits, there's a lot of corruption and influence, and we're gonna weed this out because we want a fair country," the fucking place would be cheering him. This would be like some shit JFK would do in '62.

John Reeves 18:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Everybody would be cheering him. Yes, this is what we need, a real president who's really gonna come in and fix these things. But because it, because Trump's doing it, and the way he does things. It's just like he's a fuck...

John Reeves 18:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:22 He just...... did you see on the J- Air Force One, they announced that this is the first time a president has ever flying over the Gulf of America, the newly named Gulf of America? (laughs)

John Reeves 18:32 That was classic. I mean, he doesn't miss a beat.

Joe Rogan 18:36 It's funny. It's funny. Look, I hope that the good stuff from USAID can be picked back up. I hope that there's some stuff that can be reinstated, because I think there's genuine good that a lot of these nonprofit organizations and NGOs, a lot... A lot of people are genuinely good people, they're doing good work, and it'd be good for us, as a civilization, to sponsor some of that. But you gotta know, like, what's fraud, you know? And how much of it is horseshit? And how mu- uh, how much of it can you track? There's this guy, Ian Caroll. Did you see Ian's video about it? He was saying that somewhere in the neighborhood of, like, 90% of the stuff that they're paying for doesn't even make it to where it's supposed to be going, and that it could just all... A lot of it could just be fraud.

John Reeves 19:21 Yup.

Joe Rogan 19:23 Did you see that video, Jamie?

Narrator 19:24 No, but I just... I've... He makes a lot of cool videos. I've seen the videos. He's gotten things wrong, though.

Joe Rogan 19:29 I know.

Narrator 19:30 So.

Joe Rogan 19:30 That's what makes it fun.

Narrator 19:31 Yeah.

John Reeves 19:31 (laughs)

Narrator 19:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:32 (laughs) That's why I like people like him. Him and Candace Owens, they're my favorite go-tos when I wanna know who the fucking lizard people are. (laughs)

John Reeves 19:40 Well, the, the money we send to Ukraine, and they can't find $100 billion of it.

Joe Rogan 19:43 They're only missing $100 billion, John.

John Reeves 19:44 It's only $100 billion.

Joe Rogan 19:45 It's not a lot of money.

John Reeves 19:46 No, it's not.

Joe Rogan 19:47 $100 billion for all those fine weapons? Uh, I don't even know what happened. Like, where's the... How'd the money get distributed? Like, who/where did it go? (laughs)

John Reeves 19:57 I-

Joe Rogan 19:57 How are you missing so much?

John Reeves 19:58 I, I figure a lot of it never got out of America.

Joe Rogan 20:01 But this is the thing about human beings. If you just don't ever have them be accountable, they won't be. They won't be. The United States is like a meth head that we gave a checkbook to and at the end of the month, we're like, "What the fuck did you buy?" You know?

John Reeves 20:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:17 And he's like, "Don't worry, man. I got this. I'll cover it. I'll cover it." Okay. Wh- What did you buy? (laughs)

John Reeves 20:23 Yeah. America's a big business.

Joe Rogan 20:25 It's a giant business.

John Reeves 20:26 And, uh, we got a... We got a president now that's a business guy.

Joe Rogan 20:29 Yes.

John Reeves 20:29 I don't wake up every morning to see what the fuck he's done. I know that the business is in good hands and he'll take care of it, 'cause when you drive through it and you see what we got going, you realize, man, there's people trying to make it right. And most of the people in America are good people. It's not racists, they're not sexists, they're not bad people. Most people that you see every day are just good people.

Joe Rogan 20:54 I think that's most people in the world.

John Reeves 20:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 The people that aren't like that are the people that are in desperation, the people that are in horrible desperation or people that have been abused, you know? And I, I, I've always said, like, there's this compassionate view of, um, immigration in this country. Like, the progressive, compassionate people, their idea is we should not stop people from pursuing a better life, and that they come here because where they live is fucking terrible and they wanna be able to come here and they wanna be able to live the American dream, and we should be open to that. That's great, but you can't do that while you're also letting in terrorists, right? So, like, what i- what is the... what's the solution? 'Cause the solution is you bring everybody over here that could commit crimes, you have chaos. Then people demonize the rest of them, who are very good people who just want a better life, because the few that you let in 'cause you didn't screen at all, the few that you let in that were scumbags, they're fucking gang members and-

John Reeves 21:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 ... holding up apartment buildings-

John Reeves 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 ... and all this different crazy shit that we know is true. The right way to do it is take what we have in America, the f- the freedom and the, the ability to prosper, and expand that throughout the world. Like, if we were good neighbors, what we would try to do is turn Mexico into another America. Not another America culturally. That's not what I'm saying. But stop being run by the fucking cartels.

John Reeves 22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Stop being run by people who are selling fentanyl. You know, like, d- d- figure out how to pay people a, like, a fair wage, the reason why all those factories went down there, so they could pay people slave labor. Make that illegal. Make that illegal. Make your own shit. Like, we should all help each other get to a state of living, like, that the whole world could live at. Like, that seems... If, if that's not possible, something's real wrong with the system. You know? Like, the top 1% in this country is... I don't know what it is, but the top 1% in the world is $34,000 a year. That's how different the rest of the world is. That's why they're walking here from Guatemala.

John Reeves 22:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:57 And I get it. I get it. My thought is, if you wanna invest money, don't invest money and just, like, f- pay all these people to live here and stay at the Roosevelt Hotel and all that crazy shit. Invest money in making their life better where they are.

John Reeves 23:10 Yup.

Joe Rogan 23:11 If, if you could figure out how to make these places where they come from as prosperous as America, wouldn't that be better?

John Reeves 23:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Isn't that possible?

John Reeves 23:19 Well-

Joe Rogan 23:19 I mean, it's gotta be. It's possible here. How come you can't... That's the best concept of spreading democracy, like spread real democracy. But the problem with us is we don't really spread democracy. We just go over there and take over, you know? We go over there and ins- install a puppet dictatorship and, you know, throw the whole fucking country into a tizzy.

John Reeves 23:39 And a lot of people are getting rich off of it.

Joe Rogan 23:42 A lot of people are getting rich. This is the problem. And we're reliant on cheap stuff, you know? I mean, all these fucking social justice warriors and virtue signalers, they're all doing it on phones made by slaves. That's what's crazy.

John Reeves 23:57 And the, and the ones that wanna shut the mining industry down, uh, uh... I use gold as an example. By the way, gold's gone up $1,000 an ounce since I saw you last.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Damn.

John Reeves 24:06 Damn, that's right.

Joe Rogan 24:07 $1,000 an ounce?

John Reeves 24:08 It's 3,000 bucks an ounce.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Didn't they find a gang of it in China recently?

John Reeves 24:12 Oh, they probably got all kinds of it in China.

Joe Rogan 24:13 I think China ju- didn't they f- China just found, found some crazy new discovery of an en- enormous, uh, amount of gold.

John Reeves 24:21 They're, they're talking about backing a cryptocoin with gold.

Joe Rogan 24:24 (laughs) It's better than money.It's real.

John Reeves 24:28 My, my son is a-

Joe Rogan 24:29 When are you gonna get a, uh, Boneyard cryptocoins?

John Reeves 24:32 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 24:34 2024 November, China discovered a large gold deposit in the Wangu, uh, Goldfield in the Hunan Province. The discovery is estimated to be worth $83 billion, making it one of the largest gold finds in history. Holy shit.

John Reeves 24:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:50 The deposit is estimated to contain over 1,000 metric tons of gold. Gold is located in 40 veins that extend up to 3,000 meters underground. The discovery was made using advanced 3D geological modeling. That's incredible. Isn't it amazing? I mean, you're a gold miner. Tell me, like, how the f- how do you know where to dig? How do you guys find that stuff?

John Reeves 25:12 It's real simple.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yeah?

John Reeves 25:13 Gold's where you find it.

Joe Rogan 25:14 (laughs) Well, that's-

John Reeves 25:16 I mean, that's the bottom line, Joe.

Joe Rogan 25:17 Right.

John Reeves 25:17 And, and... But once you make a discovery, let's use lode gold, which is still in the rock. Placer gold, what we do is then erode it out of the rock. It's in the concentrates on bedrock, and you, you gotta wash it and sift it and sluice it and... But, uh, lode gold, you gotta crush to get the gold out of the rock.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Oh.

John Reeves 25:36 And so, from the moment of discovery until you produce it out of that gold mine takes, average, 29 years.

Joe Rogan 25:45 Whoa!

John Reeves 25:46 29 years to go from finding it to having an operating gold mine or copper mine or lead mine or silver mine or zinc mine.

Joe Rogan 25:54 Wow! That's crazy. Y- what's really interesting, too, in this country is the story of the gold miners, like the San Francisco 49ers, the people that came across the, the, the, the country-

John Reeves 26:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:09 ... when they found out that they had struck gold. And that must have been a really wild time, a fucking dangerous time, too. You got- 'cause you have the lawless West, and then you have a bunch of people who are just desperados, who are pulling gold out of the ground. And that guy might have pulled enough gold out of the ground to literally pay for the rest of your life.

John Reeves 26:29 Yep.

Joe Rogan 26:29 And he's right there, and no one's around.

John Reeves 26:32 I know a couple guys, you couldn't tell they could rub two sticks together. Good friend of mine (clears throat) bought a bank (clears throat) (laughs) 'cause the bank had a big vault.

Joe Rogan 26:44 (coughs)

John Reeves 26:44 He had three tons of gold that he was... He was like a collector and a hoarder.

Joe Rogan 26:49 Jesus Christ.

John Reeves 26:50 He'd been mining for 40 years.

Joe Rogan 26:52 What is three tons of gold worth?

John Reeves 26:54 A lot.

Joe Rogan 26:55 What is that worth, Jamie?

Narrator 26:56 I'll try to do my best.

Joe Rogan 26:57 This is crazy. Let's guess. Take a guess. I'm so dumb, I don't even know what that would mean.

John Reeves 27:01 Well, I mean-

Joe Rogan 27:01 Three tons of gold.

John Reeves 27:03 Gotta remember, there's a difference between a... If I was to ask you what p- weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold, what would you tell me?

Joe Rogan 27:10 Um, pound is a pound.

John Reeves 27:12 You'd be wrong, because-

Joe Rogan 27:13 Really?

John Reeves 27:13 ... a p- there's 16 ounces in a pound of feathers, and there's 12 ounces, different o- ounces in a pound of gold.

Joe Rogan 27:20 How come?

John Reeves 27:21 Just the way it is.

Joe Rogan 27:23 So, when you buy a pound of gold, you're not getting 16 ounces?

John Reeves 27:26 You're getting 12, 12 troy ounces.

Joe Rogan 27:30 What nationality invented that? (laughs) I don't wanna s- I don't wanna go full Kanye here. The value of three tons of gold depends on the current market value of gold, which is con- uh, constantly changing. As of now, 2023, one ton of pure 24-karat gold was worth about 55 million. Wow! This dude had three tons of gold? (laughs)

John Reeves 27:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 He had a 100 and fucking 60 million dollars.

John Reeves 27:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:56 165 million dollars in gold just laying around. (laughs)

John Reeves 27:59 That's what h- him and his wife did. That was what they did.

Joe Rogan 28:02 That is so nuts. And so, this was just pure gold, or did he have it made-

John Reeves 28:06 No.

Joe Rogan 28:06 ... into ingots?

John Reeves 28:06 It's placer gold. This is the kind that we have. He was on my ground, and he would melt it and refine it if he wanted to get 24 karat.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Oh.

John Reeves 28:15 It generally runs about 85% pure in its form on my creeks. So, if you find a one-ounce nugget, 85% of that's probably 24 karat.

Joe Rogan 28:24 What's the biggest nugget you've ever found?

John Reeves 28:26 Uh, 33 ounces.

Joe Rogan 28:28 Whoa! What does that look like?

John Reeves 28:31 Uh, looks like a whale, actually.

Joe Rogan 28:33 How big is it, like, in your hand?

John Reeves 28:35 I got a picture of it on my page. My daughter's holding it.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Like an old school flip phone?

John Reeves 28:41 It's-

Joe Rogan 28:41 About that big?

John Reeves 28:42 It's almost this big.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Almost as big as a cell phone, like a, uh, uh, an iPhone?

John Reeves 28:46 Uh, maybe.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Almost? Like, half of it?

John Reeves 28:48 Nine s- uh, seven-eighths.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Really?

John Reeves 28:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Damn.

John Reeves 28:52 It looks... If you hold it one way, it looks like a whale. You flip it over, it looks like a dolphin.

Joe Rogan 28:56 And now, how much is a piece of gold like that worth right now?

John Reeves 28:58 Well, because it looks like something, it's called character.

Joe Rogan 29:02 Oh.

John Reeves 29:02 So, if you have, if you have a nugget that looks like a whale or a dolphin, it's generally goes for four or five times world market.

Joe Rogan 29:09 Really?

John Reeves 29:10 So, if gold is $3,000 an ounce, that would be 12 to 15,000 for that character that you're buying. If you find a nugget that looks like a heart, no limit.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Really?

John Reeves 29:23 Yeah. It's g- characters.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Suckers. Bunch of suckers out there.

John Reeves 29:25 Yeah. It's go- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:25 What about one that looks like a demon?

John Reeves 29:28 Oh, that's big money.

Joe Rogan 29:30 (laughs)

John Reeves 29:30 If you find one that looks like a pile of dog shit, you're gonna get spot market.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Yeah, you gotta find one-

John Reeves 29:34 Maybe not.

Joe Rogan 29:35 ... that looks like a skull.

John Reeves 29:36 Oh, you find a skull one?

Joe Rogan 29:37 Oh, boy.

John Reeves 29:38 Oh, they'll be knocking your door down.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Oh, there are people that, the real nutty ones-

John Reeves 29:41 They'll be looking for the dude.

Joe Rogan 29:42 The rich occultists would want it-

John Reeves 29:45 Part of their collection.

Joe Rogan 29:46 ... for their collection.

John Reeves 29:46 But every, every little nugget has some kinda, or bigger nugget has some kinda character that you keep looking for. Like, "What's this look like?"

Joe Rogan 29:52 That makes sense.

John Reeves 29:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:54 That makes sense. Did you study the history of gold mining in this country before you got involved?

John Reeves 29:59 I've, I'm... Not really.

Joe Rogan 30:00 No?

John Reeves 30:00 No. I've been gold mining, and I knew how to do it. I wasn't worth a shit, but I, I'm, I'm getting better at it.

Joe Rogan 30:10 But it's a, it's a crazy way to make a living. You know, you're, you're pulling the most precious thing. Like, the thing that's probably... Other than diamonds, which is kinda manufactured, right? There's probably a lot more to diamonds than the value suggests. Don't they, like, hoard them up so that, like, it keeps the price high?

John Reeves 30:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:28 They do that, right? Very smart.

John Reeves 30:29 Yeah, De Beers controls the-

Joe Rogan 30:30 What nationality does that?

John Reeves 30:32 Uh, De Beers. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:34 (laughs)

John Reeves 30:35 But you bring up an interesting point, the history of gold mining.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

John Reeves 30:39 People don't en- they don't even know how entrenched in our everyday lingo gold mining terms are. I'll give you an example.

Joe Rogan 30:47 Struck it rich?

John Reeves 30:47 Struck it rich. You know, the m- you hit the mother lode.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Right.

John Reeves 30:52 Guy's into... He doesn't know the difference between shit and Shinola.

Joe Rogan 30:55 Oh, what's that?

John Reeves 30:57 Shit. And Shinola is gold.

Joe Rogan 30:59 Really?

John Reeves 30:59 You can't tell the diff- between shit and Shinola.

Joe Rogan 31:02 I thought it was like poop versus shoe polish.

John Reeves 31:06 Shinola's gold.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Isn't Shinola shoe polish?

John Reeves 31:10 I don't know. I never had a pair of shoes that had Shinola.

Joe Rogan 31:12 I think Shinola is a shoe polish.

John Reeves 31:14 Jamie, don't turn it on.

Joe Rogan 31:16 (laughs)

John Reeves 31:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:16 I'm just gue- I'm 90% sure Shinola is a shoe, but I don't know which one came first. Like, Shinola might've come after the gold term, you know? It might be a recent corporation.

John Reeves 31:25 Could be.

Joe Rogan 31:27 But I think Shinola's like an old school one. Like, I kinda r- I mean, maybe I'm having a fake memory, but I kind of remember of it in high school, like shoe polish.

John Reeves 31:36 But after today, it's... Now you know it's gold.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Now. Well, in-

John Reeves 31:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:40 In gold rush terms, gold. Y- yeah, but like every culture has its own little lingo, right?

John Reeves 31:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Is it, is it a shoe polish, Jamie? It is? How long has it been around?

Narrator 31:50 I'm looking, uh, that, uh, now.

Joe Rogan 31:52 They could have stole that from gold.

John Reeves 31:55 Going bust.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Going bust?

John Reeves 31:57 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:57 I thought that was a gambling term. I thought that was, uh... But it could be both, right?

John Reeves 32:04 Probably. I mean, it's those kind of things in our lang- in our language like pay dirt, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:10 Right.

John Reeves 32:11 You know?

Joe Rogan 32:11 You hit pay dirt, right.

John Reeves 32:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:13 Right. You hit gold in the dirt.

John Reeves 32:16 The, the, The way I've heard shit in Shinola was shits. Shits. Shits. Bedrock schist. Sorry.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Oh, I see.

John Reeves 32:27 Schist in Shinola.

Joe Rogan 32:29 Oh.

John Reeves 32:29 Schist. My goal is found in schist.

Joe Rogan 32:33 That actually makes more sense than shit in Shinola.

John Reeves 32:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:35 You can't tell the difference between shit and shoe polish? Don't you smell it, right?

John Reeves 32:41 I ain't never seen a shoe with shoe polish.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Really? You've never seen a shoe with shoe polish?

John Reeves 32:45 I actually had to wear them in high school. My, my parents put me in a reform school.

Joe Rogan 32:50 I had... I have to wear them when I dress up. I wear polished shoes.

John Reeves 32:53 I saw you dressed up here recently.

Joe Rogan 32:55 (laughs) I dress up. I look like a monkey with a suit on. That's what I look like when I get dressed up.

John Reeves 33:01 You looked p- looked pretty sharp when I saw what you were wearing.

Joe Rogan 33:03 I feel like a fraud whenever I wear a suit. Like, "What are you doing? What is this? What is this thing you're wearing?" (laughs)

John Reeves 33:11 You look pretty good.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Thank you very much. Thank you.

John Reeves 33:14 Yep. Yeah, it's hard for me. I, I shop at the same place Fetterman shops.

Joe Rogan 33:19 Ah.

John Reeves 33:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:20 Fetterman's a m- an animal. He goes to the fucking inauguration in a pair of shorts and a hoodie.

John Reeves 33:24 I like that.

Joe Rogan 33:24 He's got a Carhartt hoodie on-

John Reeves 33:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:26 ... and a pair of shorts, and-

John Reeves 33:27 That's it.

Joe Rogan 33:27 ... didn't give a fuck. Like-

John Reeves 33:29 No.

Joe Rogan 33:29 And he's a genuine guy. He's a very nice guy.

John Reeves 33:31 Yeah. I, I, I kind of like the guy.

Joe Rogan 33:33 I like the guy a lot.

John Reeves 33:34 I do. They w-

Joe Rogan 33:34 I, I saw him when I was there. I gave him a hug, talked to him. He was very friendly.

John Reeves 33:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 33:40 I don't like that he said no, he's gonna vote no on Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. I think that's terrible. But-

John Reeves 33:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 33:46 ... I'm biased, obviously. I like both of them very much.

John Reeves 33:49 And they're both in, if I'm not mistaken.

Joe Rogan 33:51 I don't know how this works, man. I'm confused about this whole process. I'm confused about what's legal, what's not legal, what you can, you, you can and can't do, what these executive orders can and can't do. I'm confused how they closed the problem at the border down in three days. They just basically, like, completely put a stop to all the illegal coming in, except for like 100 people a day. It was thousands a day. It was just-

John Reeves 34:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:13 ... an overrun of people coming through every day. And they stopped it, and they, he said you couldn't stop it. They negotiated... He negotiated with Canada and with Mexico to ramp up their border, stop the fentanyl from coming in. Like, all this stuff seems so common sense. And it's just amazing to me that people don't look at that. Like, no one is going to trust you if all you talk about is the bad side from the other side. If you don't say, "This is good. This is good for all of us," if you don't say that, if you don't acknowledge... You... Are you rooting against America? 'Cause like when good things happen, do you not want them to happen because a Republican is president? 'Cause that's a very un-American way to look at things. And I think that's where we're at these days. I think there's a giant chunk of our population that is so wrapped up in these social media squabbles, and owning people online, and talking shit, and listening to videos and TikToks. They're so wrapped up in this us-versus-them shit that they can't see that we're supposed to all be in this together. And even if you don't like that guy, if Trump gets in and he does something that's awesome for the country, you should say, "That's awesome for the country."

John Reeves 35:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yeah, it's really good that terrorists aren't sneaking into our southern border. That's really good. It's really good that they find all the fucking criminals that are taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado, and root them out. Yeah, that's really good. They should deport them. Yeah, they're fucking criminals. That shouldn't, we shouldn't have to deal with that. Yeah, maybe we should fix everything that's going on in North Carolina. Yeah, that's, that's good for everybody. It's like these thing, these things are common sense.

John Reeves 35:43 It's because it's gotten so bad now that the only reason to run for politics used to be to make the money, not just get reelected. And it's the first thing they try to do when they get elected is start getting reelected.

Joe Rogan 35:55 They're making so much money. That's what's crazy.

John Reeves 35:57 Oh, look, look at the money that-

Joe Rogan 35:58 When you, when you look at the amount of money some of those congresspeople are worth, and you're like, "You tell me how. You tell me how you make $180,000 a year and you're worth 30 million. You tell me how. You tell me how." There's... I can't find a way that makes any sense, because you should be really busy, right? So if you be, should be really busy doing this $180,000-a-year job, you've r-... Who has time to have a side hustle that p- (laughs) that pays you 10 times more? Who has time? Who's doing that?

John Reeves 36:33 It's...... that's the only reason I can think of that people would wanna get into that game.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Well, I think a lot of people like being the boss. There's a lot of that. And a lot of people just want to be that person. And when you're in a competition, right, a hierarchy-based status competition, like the president of the United States, like, everybody wants to be in that spot where everybody calls you sir and everybody shakes your hand and foreign leaders want to ... You wanna feel important. They all do. They can pretend they don't. They all like it. That's why they do it. Otherwise, they wouldn't want their whole life exposed like that, and digging into your past and distortions of your character and outright lies, anything to destroy you all over television 'cause they're trying to win an election. If they weren't the person that wants that spot, they wouldn't do it. That's why we don't get good leaders. (laughs) We don't get, we don't get people who you would, like, really want to do it, other than Trump.

John Reeves 37:25 Yeah. Uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 37:26 And with that guy, it's like he's, he's kind of a psycho.

John Reeves 37:29 Yeah. He doesn't need the money. He's not doing it for the money.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Well, I'm sure it helps that you can make money doing it, you know, not from the salary, but from a lot of other stuff. Like, it elevates his, his, uh, social profile, for sure, and makes him more popular, which is part of the, the brand of Donald Trump. But like, didn't he famously not even get a paycheck for-

John Reeves 37:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Yeah.

John Reeves 37:50 He donates his check to some-

Joe Rogan 37:51 Yeah.

John Reeves 37:51 ... some organization.

Joe Rogan 37:52 That's fucking ama- ... And then there's this other thing about Elon. Elon's gonna steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you, he's not gonna steal your money. I'm telling you, that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is, he's a super genius that's been fucked with. Okay? And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies, and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive, and he helps Donald Trump get into office, and he goes, "I wanna find out what kind of corruption is really around." Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum (laughs) 'cause he's gonna fucking ... he's gonna hunt you down. He's gonna find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's what, how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards.

John Reeves 38:45 Yeah. Well, AOC is the one that says he's look- ... he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met.

Joe Rogan 38:50 Did she really say that?

John Reeves 38:50 She really said that.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Wow. I wanna meet her friends. They're probably cool.

John Reeves 38:53 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 38:54 Imagine the conversation you'd have with her friends.

John Reeves 38:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:56 If he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met, wow, her friends must be amazing.

John Reeves 39:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:02 I wanna go to one of those parties. It's probably just, like, fascinating person after fascinating person.

John Reeves 39:07 Well, I wonder what she's worth. And Nancy Pelosi, I think, is way up there in the multiple, multiple million.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Well, she's psychic. I don't know if you know this. She's really good at the stock market. Like, basically-

John Reeves 39:18 Yeah. It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 39:18 She meditates and she just sees it. She sees how it's gonna happen. She should teach that, huh?

John Reeves 39:24 There's a few honest ones.

Joe Rogan 39:26 Sure. Y- ... There's plenty of honest c- co- ... Just like there's plenty of, uh, teachers who don't get the students drunk. (laughs) You know, there's like ... It's ... The problem is not the honest ones. The problem is the ones that aren't honest. And there's a ton of them, and they don't get rooted out because the system is so corrupt. "Probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I've ever met, seen, or witnessed." (laughs)

John Reeves 39:49 (laughs) That's from AOC.

Joe Rogan 39:51 Well, you know. "This guy is one of the most morally vacant, but also just least knowledgeable about these systems that we know of," she said. Wow. She used to own a Tesla car. Damn. She doesn't own a Tesla anymore. Uh, "Has a history of public disagreements with Mr. Musk- Musk, particularly over his Department of Government Efficiency. This team has been examining government spending, which has drawn sharp criticism from Democrats. Last week, Doge gained access to federal payment systems to help with its review, a move that many Democrats viewed as controversial. And Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was particularly critical of the involvement of young staffers, saying they don't do their homework clearly, and adding that 19-year-olds were being placed in key positions at the Treasury Department." (laughs) I love it. (laughs) Get those, get those internet wizards on the case. Only he would do that because he understands internet culture. And he understands what genius is. He understands there's a lot of these people have, like, these super brains. They're 19 and they're-

John Reeves 40:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:45 ... you know, like, one of those kids, he wa- ... is from Omaha. He figured out a way to use AI to decode burnt scrolls. (laughs)

John Reeves 40:54 My son, Kenzie, works for Palo Alto. He's got a master's degree in cybersecurity. He's working on another one, a master's in AI.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Oh, wow.

John Reeves 41:04 And, uh, after talking to him and seeing what he's doing, he's ... he, uh, he did his master's thesis on hacking satellites. And when I heard that, I s- t- th- you know, that puts a whole new light on Bitcoin for me.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Oh, yeah.

John Reeves 41:21 I'm going, "Heh, I like gold. It's in your hand. You can see it, you can hold it, you can feel it. But here, I brought you some Bitcoins. Catch."

Joe Rogan 41:29 (laughs)

John Reeves 41:29 I just threw you 20 of them.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Well, as soon as you have real quantum computing where they can a- run actual programs on it, you're not gonna have encryption anymore. Or you're gonna have to have some new kind of encryption that we never anticipated before, that, like, maybe you turn on and off and y- y- ... It's gonna have to be something that the computer doesn't have access to, somehow or another. Maybe possibly, like, independent of a system. But independent of a system, how would it even c-

John Reeves 41:56 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 41:56 ... communicate with you if it's electronic? If it has Wi-Fi, like, the, the ... it's gonna get into it. There's n- ... You're not gonna be able to stop something that's infinitely more intelligent than any human being from deciphering any kind of goofy ass encryption you have, some fucking stupid apple complex password that it picked for you. (laughs)

John Reeves 42:15 See, I- I- I'm just not ... I just don't understand it. I mean, for two years, Bitcoin went after the gold miners saying, "Why, why would you-"

Joe Rogan 42:21 Well, that's dumb.

John Reeves 42:22 ... invest in gold when you can invest in Bitcoin?" So, I don't have a problem with Bitcoin. I mean, the guys that are making money on it or making bank, they're doing great.

Joe Rogan 42:31 I'm telling you, we need a Boneyard, we need a Boneyard Coin.

John Reeves 42:35 We do.

Joe Rogan 42:36 How about a Boneyard Coin? Just don't do a pump and dump. That's the key. You can have your own money.

John Reeves 42:40 Can we make it out of-

Joe Rogan 42:41 Jamie and I have been talking about it. (laughs)

John Reeves 42:43 Can we make a real- make it out of gold?

Joe Rogan 42:45 (coughs) Real ones? Yeah, we could.

John Reeves 42:46 One penny weight coins. There's 20 penny weights in an ounce.

Joe Rogan 42:50 And there's an opening right now 'cause Trump just banned the penny.

John Reeves 42:53 It's about time.

Joe Rogan 42:55 (laughs)

John Reeves 42:55 Each one of those pennies is worth about six cents.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Two cents. It costs us two cents to make each penny.

John Reeves 42:59 To make it, yeah, but the copper itself...

Joe Rogan 43:01 Oh, really?

John Reeves 43:01 Oh, yeah. You gotta mine it.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Really? So each penny is worth six cents?

John Reeves 43:05 I'm gonna say five cents.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Wow.

John Reeves 43:08 Because he added two cents to it.

Joe Rogan 43:09 So you actually could profit from melting pennies?

John Reeves 43:13 People been collecting pennies for a long time.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Right. But melting them down to sell it for raw copper is actually profitable.

John Reeves 43:17 You bet. What- what's the price of copper these days? And you can figure out how many ounces or how many pennies makes a pound.

Joe Rogan 43:23 I remember when I was doing construction, one of the sites that one of the guys had got robbed, where they stole all the copper pipes, and I was like, "What?" Like, how much is copper worth?

John Reeves 43:33 It's worth a lot.

Joe Rogan 43:34 I would have never imagined that. US pennies were made of 2.5% copper and 97.5% zinc. Ah, that means-

John Reeves 43:43 That's the modern, the modern penny.

Joe Rogan 43:44 The penny contains a small amount of copper that's plated on top of a zinc base. Oh, interesting.

John Reeves 43:49 Yeah, but that's, that's today's penny, not, not-

Joe Rogan 43:51 From 1982, they were made in 95% copper.

John Reeves 43:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Okay, so in the '80s, there were real pennies. So if you get one of them old pennies, that's a valuable penny. The weight of a penny determines if it's copper or zinc. A copper penny weighs 3.11 grams, while a zinc penny weighs 2.5. Interesting. Yeah, coins are weird. Like, enough of that. I fucking... I know it's stupid because you are, like, a part of the system, and you can't control it, but I love paying for things with my phone. I love going, toot-toot, looking at my face and p- pressing on the register and, "Thank you."

John Reeves 44:23 I see guys do it all the time.

Joe Rogan 44:24 (laughs)

John Reeves 44:24 I don't know how to do it.

Joe Rogan 44:25 I love it. It's like, I feel like I'm living in the future. I- it's my favorite th- it's so irrational. So my favorite thing to do is to pay for shit with my phone. I could pay, I would pay for everything with my phone if I could.

John Reeves 44:34 I used to in Jacksonville.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Toot-toot! (laughs) Just use your face, touch it, and it pays for the... I love, I'm so stupid. Um, I love the little check that comes up, "Oh, yay, I paid for it."

John Reeves 44:44 You go through a drive-through to get food, and you see the guy in front of you ai- aiming his phone at somebody inside.

Joe Rogan 44:49 Right.

John Reeves 44:50 And you don't see any cash flying around.

Joe Rogan 44:51 Right. It's weird.

John Reeves 44:53 It is weird.

Joe Rogan 44:53 It's weird because, like, who's controlling it? And if you have the same sort of oversight that you had with all the stuff that Doge is showing, where there's all this corruption and waste, and $100 billion is missing from Ukraine, and, like, what, where, wh- what'd you do? How many, how much money did you spend on these fucking charging stations, and how many have you made? All that kind of stuff. If you, if you look at all the, if that's all applied to money too, and it's digital money. Like, how do I know where you have it, if you even have it, right?

John Reeves 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 'Cause this is part of the problem with money and banks, that they don't really have all the money that you put in there. Like, if you put in $10 million to a bank, guess what? They don't have $10 million to give you. Like, if you say, "I want my $10 million back," that's a process.

John Reeves 45:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Like, they gotta, you have to get it. They're gonna really try to discourage you. It's, you can't get it that day.

John Reeves 45:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:41 There's gonna be, a, a lot of things have to happen. If you show up at a bank, and you're fucking Jeff Bezos or something, where they're not worried about where it came from, and you want to deposit $10 million, and you have a fucking bag, and you're wheeling in on, like, a luggage cart, and it's $10 million, and they count it, and they put it in there.

John Reeves 45:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yeah, but it's not there anymore. They're gonna do s- they're gonna loan that out. They're gonna do stuff with it. They don't have it right there.

John Reeves 46:03 Yeah. No. No, it's all...

Joe Rogan 46:05 So it's all weird. Like, the whole economy is weird. Everything's weird. 'Cause w- since we went off the gold standard, it's like, what, what is it based on? And how do you guys just print more of it every time you need something? Every time you wanna do something, you just print more?

John Reeves 46:20 I'm old enough to know and remember, if you were in a bank and a guy walks in wearing a fucking mask, usually you had to hit the floor.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Right.

John Reeves 46:30 B- there's a bank I go to in Jacksonville, where you walk in the bank and the tellers are wearing masks. I'm going, "This ain't right." And they go, "What are you wearing a mask for?"

Joe Rogan 46:39 Well, they're mentally ill.

John Reeves 46:41 What are you wearing a mask for?

Joe Rogan 46:42 Well, I think a lot of people weren't really doing well before COVID, you know? There's a lot of people that are fragile. They're barely hanging on already, you know? A lot of people are, like, really anxious about diseases. I have friends that are like that. I know a few guys in the w- comedy community that really cracked during that time 'cause they were already filled with anxiety, and some of them were already hypo contracts, and they cracked.

John Reeves 47:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:07 And, uh, they're not the same people anymore. Like, people don't want to hang out with them anymore. Th- they're weird. Like, th- they're just, they're just broken. And they wear masks everywhere.

John Reeves 47:14 This one bank I went to, teller's wearing a mask. The next teller over is not wearing a mask.

Joe Rogan 47:20 She's probably Republican. (laughs) That's what it is. It's a MAGA hat. It's a Democrat's MAGA hat.

John Reeves 47:26 Ah. And you see them driving around with a mask on in his car.

Joe Rogan 47:29 That's my favorite.

John Reeves 47:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Well, that's, they're, they're meant, they might as well have fox ears on. They're mentally ill.

John Reeves 47:34 And I wear, you know, when we're out on the field, and we're out mining or got all the dust flying around, we don't worry... We have masks on.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Yeah, but that's big, that's a big difference.

John Reeves 47:42 Yeah, it is a big difference.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Fucking invisible viruses as you're driving your car. By the way, I think fox ears are more noble 'cause fo- if you put, like, little fox ears on, you're like one of those furries, at least you're just having a good time.

John Reeves 47:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:52 You know? Like, you're just having a good time. You like wearing fox ears. Who gives a shit? The mask is just stupid. It's just, you, what, what, do you like smelling your own breath? What do you like? Not being able to breathe as good? What do you like? What do you like? Pretending that viruses can't get through those fucking gaping holes...

John Reeves 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:06 ... that are all around the outside of your face and through the fabric, which is the reason why you can breathe in the first place? You fucking idiot. (laughs)

John Reeves 48:12 Well, we made a bunch of masks with my logo on it. So, you know, you're wearing one of-

Joe Rogan 48:17 Yeah.

John Reeves 48:17 ... these logos on your f- face like that.

Joe Rogan 48:19 That's funny.

John Reeves 48:20 Going, "Go fuck yourself."

Joe Rogan 48:21 We, uh, had JRE masks that we were selling during the pandemic, and Sanjay Gupta brought one in like it was a gotcha. Like, "You sell masks." Like, yeah, 'cause people have to wear them, not 'cause they make sense.

John Reeves 48:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:34 They don't make any sense. You know they don't make sense.

John Reeves 48:37 No.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Shut the fuck up. That was one of the weirdest beginnings of quote, of COVID, when I started really wondering how anybody could believe that this stupid surgical mask, which is supposed to stop, like, driblets of spit and food from your mouth dropping into a, a wound as you're operating. They're not supposed to protect you from viruses. That's not what they're there for.... the fact that people started wearing those to pre- and then some people were just wearing bandanas. And my favorite, which is maybe the dumbest of all time, people would wear that shield.

John Reeves 49:07 Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 49:07 So it's open air, open air. All this is open. And then there's a shield, and they would be walking down the street with a fucking shield over their face. Like, this is mental illness. That's all this is. This is not, this is just people responding to stress that they can't handle, and they're freaking out. That's all this is. This isn't normal. And the more we allow this, the more we rationalize this, and the more we, we enable this by not telling them they're fucking ridiculous... Take your goddamn mask off when you come into the store. No, you can't come in the store like you're gonna rob it.

John Reeves 49:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 It's 2025. Take that fucking stupid thing off. And the more you don't, you allow people to just continue with this delusion. They get in these social groups on, on Twitter, and they talk about the power of the mask, "And I feel so much better when I'm wearing a mask, and, you know, I'm, I'm being safer for others," and they all agree with each other. I'm like, "You're, you're all, you should be in an asylum. You should all go to Alaska and see what bears look like in the flesh. You should go, go salmon fishing."

John Reeves 50:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:05 Get the fuck outside your house. You're sick.

John Reeves 50:07 Yep. Well, you know, I don't wanna put a mask on 'cause I'm pretty good-looking and shit.

Joe Rogan 50:12 I hear you, bro.

John Reeves 50:13 Yeah, you know the problem. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:14 I hear you, yeah.

John Reeves 50:15 Jamie's pretty good-looking, too.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Also, you're a giant. Like, you with a mask on is scary, 'cause it's like, "What is he up to?"

John Reeves 50:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Why is he covering his face? What's his plans?

John Reeves 50:22 Well, the doctor told me, we had lunch with him about a week ago, and he says... The, the one that, uh, told me to quit smoking. He goes, um, "When I first saw you, I was wondering, what the hell am I going to do here?" 'Cause I, I'm sitting in there, and he has no idea what my ailment is.

Joe Rogan 50:40 Right.

John Reeves 50:40 And so, I am a big guy, and the one benefit that came from this is I don't smoke. And I still do the CrossFit. Even though you look at me and you, you can't tell, but I've been doing it for a while.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Well, that's great.

John Reeves 50:54 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 50:54 That's more important, really, than anything. I would say if I had to choose between one thing that you should do to make yourself healthy, I would say exercise, maybe even b- over food.

John Reeves 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 I'd say maybe it's close. It's real close. Food's probably maybe, but no, you gotta exercise too. It's almost, there almost, like, cancel each other out.

John Reeves 51:12 Megan was t-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Or, or equal, rather.

John Reeves 51:14 My trainer was, Megan was telling me that, uh, there's a difference between sick care and healthcare. And I said, "What is it?" She goes, "Well, sick care is when you're sick, you go to the doctor. Healthcare is your exercise, all the things you do to keep yourself healthy."

Joe Rogan 51:31 Yes.

John Reeves 51:31 You don't wanna be sick.

Joe Rogan 51:33 Right.

John Reeves 51:33 And we're not paying attention to the healthcare part.

Joe Rogan 51:37 You're right. So we gotta get you fit.

John Reeves 51:39 I'm trying.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Gotta get you fit, gotta get you dieting.

John Reeves 51:42 I do.

Joe Rogan 51:42 We just gotta get you to eat only meat. Try that. Try that one.

John Reeves 51:45 Is that what they call a keto?

Joe Rogan 51:46 Carnivore.

John Reeves 51:47 Carnivore?

Joe Rogan 51:48 Carnivore diet.

John Reeves 51:49 I could do that one.

Joe Rogan 51:50 That's the move. I'm telling you. Cut out all the crap.

John Reeves 51:51 Oh, you could do that one?

Joe Rogan 51:52 Yeah, I'd do that. Whenever I do that, I feel way better. I do it, like, in sprints, because I'm Italian. And Italians love pizza and pasta. I love that shit. If I go to New York, I'm breaking my diet. I'm gonna get sandwiches from my man Giovanni's Deli. I'm gonna-

John Reeves 52:06 Nah.

Joe Rogan 52:06 I'm gonna eat Italian food. I'm gonna go off. I need it. Every now and then, I just wanna have it just for the, ah.

John Reeves 52:12 Are you glad to have eggs on that one?

Joe Rogan 52:14 Yeah, you can have eggs. I eat eggs all the time. The whole idea is you're only eating animal products. You're, I don't eat anything else other than some fruit. I'll eat like an orange or a banana here and there. I'll have some blueberries with some yogurt. But the, the idea is what you're really doing is mostly eating meat. And so most of my diet is red meat. And when I eat like that, I feel so much better. I feel clear-headed. I have more energy. Um, like, um, it's more stable throughout the day. I feel like my brain functions better. When I eat carbs, I just start getting sloppy. I just start getting slow. It's like, I don't think there's anything wrong with carbohydrates. Don't get me wrong. But I do think that they're really easy to overconsume. And if you're a glutton, which I definitely am, I'm a glutton. I will eat two pizzas. If you give me some fucking good, some really good, like, New York pizzas, I will eat two of those bitches. I will, I will eat until I'm sick. I just have always been like that. I always eat too much food. I just, I'm, I, I have an appetite that just, it just won't stop with pasta, but not with steak. Steak cuts you off. There's a thing about eating protein, steak, things like chicken. You don't eat too much of it. You eat enough, and then you stop. You, it's, they have what's called a high satiety level. Like, high-protein foods have a very high satiety level. And so, like, I'll eat like a 16-ounce elk steak. I don't wanna have nothing else. I'm good. But if there's spaghetti there, and if there's some fucking macaroni and cheese, you know, if there's potato salad, if there's a little bit... Then I'll start keep, I'll keep going. I'll keep eating. And then I'll have way more calories really than I need.

John Reeves 53:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:58 With the same amount of nutrients. The thing is, like, for performance, for like athletes, I don't think the carnivore diet's the right way to go. I think you should supplement with... There's nothing wrong with, I don't think there's anything wrong with rice. I don't think there's anything wrong with, uh, with vegetables. I don't think there's anything wrong with fruit. I think the real problem with a lot of people is pastas and breads and just processed food and garbage. You know, I think we're just eating poison most of the day. I think if you can just eat regular whole food, I think you're better off. But I think you gotta, even now, I think you have to clean your rice. 'Cause I've been, I keep hearing shit about rice having glyphosate on it. Is that, is that true? They were talk- I was reading this thing about rice being a, uh... I know it's the case with, uh, corn and wheat. They think that's why some people have what they perceive to be a gluten sensitivity. But they really probably are getting sick from glyphosate, which is so crazy to think.... but they've, it sounds nuts, but then they've tested people and they found out the group that they tested, like, 90% of them had traceable levels of glyphosate in their blood. Glyphosate drift to rice, a problem for us all. Yeah, here it is. This is from 2011. Fuck.

Narrator 55:17 Check the highlighted piece

John Reeves 55:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 55:19 Damage inflicted by derelict glyphosate during this period is often invisible and not noticed until harvest. Damage is characterized by significantly decreased yields and milling the rice often exhibits the first signal that has been hit with a drift, kernels shaped like a parrot's beak. This is so dark. And then you eat it. Yay.

Narrator 55:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:40 Yay.

John Reeves 55:41 Like-

Joe Rogan 55:42 But it's like, you know, the reality is farming... And I'm no farmer, right? Be clear. I don't know what I'm talking about, but I've talked to a bunch of farmers. I've talked to, you know, these guys like Joel Salatin, who runs, uh, Polyface Farms, or Will Harris, who runs White- runs White Oak Pastures. These guys who run these regenerative farms, what they're saying makes sense. They're saying the other way is suicide. The other way is bad for the land, it's bad for the people, it's bad for the environment, they're using tons of chemicals. The way to do it is the way nature has been doing it for millions of fucking years. You have a bunch of cows, they shit in the grass. You have a bunch of pigs, they root things up. You have a bunch of chickens, they eat all the bugs. Everybody lives together. Everybody nutrate... Nutri- nutrient rich soil. They're all, like, a part of this complete system, this complete ecological system, and it's carbon neutral. They say that they, eh, when they raise cows like that, they actually sequester carbon. The question is can you feed everybody in LA and New York like that? I don't think so. So it's like, what did we do? We got so far ahead of ourselves that it seems like we've had this requirement for food that almost demands this kind of crazy farming. That's where it's fucked because if they don't farm, like if everybody has to go to, like, a Joel Salatin, Will Harris model, is there enough land to grow enough meat like that? Is there enough land to let all the pigs loose? Is there enough land to have all the chickens just roaming around? Is there enough land for that? I don't know.

John Reeves 57:17 There's some big farms on the way over (clears throat) that we saw coming across.

Joe Rogan 57:21 There's a lot of people eating.

John Reeves 57:23 (clears throat) Big farms.

Joe Rogan 57:23 There's not a single farm in LA, and there's 20 million hungry people just scarfing up food all day long. (imitates gobbling)

John Reeves 57:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:33 And you need all these p- these farms out there just constantly making life forms for people to consume. It's really a crazy, crazy thing that we've done 'cause we've, like, completely overpopulated areas where they don't grow any food. It's like the dumbest strategy of all time. We rely 100% on transportation.

John Reeves 57:54 That's right. And, uh, you know, people say, "Oh, the, there's a revolution coming." It's here. I mean, the revolution is here. What we're seeing right now is history being made because the people that have been taken advantage of forever, in my opinion, are the people that are out there producing, the farmers, the miners.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Oh, for sure.

John Reeves 58:18 And the guys that I think (clears throat) really control, they have their hand on the throttle of this country, if they ever decide to take the- their hand off the throttle, is the truckers. Without the truckers, nobody eats.

Joe Rogan 58:32 You're right.

John Reeves 58:33 Nobody.

Joe Rogan 58:34 Yeah.

John Reeves 58:34 You get nothing.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Yeah, th- that, those are the people that are gonna suffer the most with AI, AI and automation. Once they have those Tesla trucks that can just drive themselves, they never get into car accidents, those fucking things are everywhere, you never have to worry about them staying up all night and whether or not they're gonna make a mistake behind the wheel, once they get that totally dialed in, we're gonna have a real problem. That's gonna be a real problem 'cause you're gonna have so many people out of work and so many people that are gonna say, "Hey, figure it out." Well, they've been delivering your stuff. You've been r- depending upon them. Every Amazon package you order, every time you get anything delivered to your house, any time you're moving, anytime... Anytime, you're relying on truck drivers. And that job's just gonna go away.

John Reeves 59:17 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:18 And that's a lot of people. I think... Didn't we... Looked up the number of people that drive trucks or drive... That do, uh, that are drivers, whether it's taxi dri-... I think they put them all together, like people who drive for a living. I think it's more than a million. I think more than a million just truck drivers. That's crazy. Like, that (snaps fingers) one invention will put a million people out of work.

John Reeves 59:42 I don't know, it's gonna have to be an awful big truck to have all the copper-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Have you seen those things? Have you seen those Tesla trucks?

John Reeves 59:47 Not the big ones.

Joe Rogan 59:48 They're just the beginning.

John Reeves 59:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:50 The ones that they have now are just the beginning. United States has over 3.5 million professional truck drivers, but the trucking industry is facing a shortage of drivers. Wow. So they need more.

John Reeves 1:00:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 They have over 3.5 million, and they, they need more. Google, uh, Tesla Semi. This thing's crazy looking. This looks like something straight out of a science fiction movie. It's a giant electric... Go to images.

Narrator 1:00:17 It's on CCUs and YouTube.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Mm. Um, it looks like something out of a fucking science fiction movie. It's a giant electric truck. It makes no noise other than the tire, like you hear the tires rolling around the ground. You don't hear any... And that's the... Look at the seat of this fucking thing.

John Reeves 1:00:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 There's two screens. And it drives itself. And they're going to be really good at driving themselves. Like, right now, they're really good, but they're gonna be really, really, really good. They're gonna be better than people, so they're not gonna make any mistakes and they're gonna be safe. And as long as all their sensors are working and a- long as all their equipment is reliable, they'll be better at detecting accidents and stopping accidents and avoiding things than people are.

Narrator 1:01:04 Elon said today they're gonna start the (clears throat) driverless Teslas in Austin in June as well as all-

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Like, for taxicabs?

Narrator 1:01:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Bro, how long before they get attacked by the Free Palestine People?

Narrator 1:01:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 ... that's the other thing we found out through all this Doge stuff. How much, how much of this stuff that you see that you think is organic, these, these riots and protests, how much of that is funded? How much of that is, uh, uh, how much are we paying for the decisions that are costing us that? Like, how much? We're spending money to, like $27 million went to the George Soros D- DA fund. That's so crazy. That's more than he puts in. (laughs)

John Reeves 1:01:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 We were, we were paying to get shitty DAs elected. It's nuts. And anybody who doesn't think it's nuts, it's like, listen, you're not paying attention. You, you, you're captured. You must be captured by... And, and this is not saying that USA doesn't do good things. I'm sure they do. But the amount of things that they do that are ridiculous are, should concern you. And if it doesn't concern you, we're talking nonsense. We're not having a real conversation.

John Reeves 1:02:09 That's what I don't get about the blues and the reds.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Yeah.

John Reeves 1:02:12 There's gotta be some people on the blue side that go, "It's a good idea that we're doing this."

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Yeah.

John Reeves 1:02:17 "What he's doing is a good idea, 'cause we're squandering a lot of money."

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 There's a lot of people like that, but they're quiet, 'cause the blues will come for you. (laughs)

John Reeves 1:02:25 Well, that's... I don't know if you noticed, but after the election, at least in my, my opinion for myself, I had the right to make an opinion again. I can have an opinion.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Yes.

John Reeves 1:02:36 I can have an opinion.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Finally.

John Reeves 1:02:37 Finally, I can have an opinion after four fucking years.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Isn't that weird? It did really feel like that, like the consciousness of the country was like a rat, like, "We're gonna rat on you." You, you, you, you couldn't just have fun and talk about things. You couldn't have an opinion that wasn't, like, uh, r- right out of mainstream news. You had to 100% toe the line, or you were attacked.

John Reeves 1:02:59 I, I put (laughs) in one post, I put, "I have an opinion. I'm gonna use it again. I think we should sink every commercial whaling ship in the ocean, send them to the Davy Jones' locker."

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 You'd get a lot of support behind that. You get a lot of support from the environmental people too.

Narrator 1:03:17 There's, uh, pushback on that 27 million George Soros stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Oh, really?

Narrator 1:03:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 What's the pushback?

Narrator 1:03:21 That it's, uh, not true.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 What do they say?

Narrator 1:03:24 Uh, there's a long tweet, if you want me to bring it up.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Sure, bring it up.

John Reeves 1:03:27 I thought it was 58 million.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:30 It's, uh, it's, uh, it's along, it's why on the side of the page here, though.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Okay. Uh, "The claim that Mike Benz establishes in his research is that USAID paid out $27 million in grants to The Tides Foundation, be The Tides Foundation is a major funder of the Soros-backed group Fair and Just Prosecution. Benz frames this as though it's evidence of USAID funding Fair and Just Prosecution." Well, it seems like it is. Um, "This framing only works if you have no idea what The Tides Foundation is or how large foundations like it operate. Tides is an intermediary funder, meaning that it facilitates grants from or- originating grantors, the money people, to receive grantees, the people getting the money. If you're a big organization like USAID, you don't give money to Tides to do with it what they will. You forward money through Tides to a specific recipient of your choosing. Why do you send your money through middlemen instead of giving it directly? For the same reason people always use middlemen to facilitate contracts, because middlemen know how to deal with paperwork, to supervise contracts, and so on. Did USA give money to FJP? You can figure that out quickly for yourself. Go to usaspending.gov, set keyword Tides, and awarding agency to USAID. Click Submit. Go to tab Grants tab. You will see four grants. Open each one. The lion's share of USAID's money came to a single grant of 24.6 million. If you click through, you see it is described as a Civil Society Innovation Initiative Fiscal Agent. (laughs) Read that. That sounds Orwellian. Civil Society Innovation Initiative Fiscal Agent. The Fiscal Agent description means that The Tides Center acted as a middleman for the government's money. The Civil Society Innovation Initiative was the end recipient. Already, the FJP-USAID link has been broken. But what else can we say about this grant?" Well, that doesn't seem like it's been broken. That seems like you've given this money to an agency or to this, this group. It doesn't... You haven't disproven that this group is attached to Soros. It says, "First off, CS2 was awarded the grant in 2016, FJP. The Soros org was founded a year later in 2017." Still doesn't mean they don't work together now, and it doesn't mean that he wasn't a part of the people that were do-... I mean, like, it's, I'm not saying he is, and I'm not saying he was, but I'm saying y- this is not disproving anything. "As far as I could tell by googling, there has never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations." Okay, by googling? (laughs) That, that's it? You just googled... I want you to google "vaccine injuries" and tell me if there's any. Good luck. Good luck. "COVID-19 vaccine injuries." Tell me that you can decide everything that you need to know about COVID-19 vaccine injuries by a Google search. You're not going to, right? Okay, so by googling... "There's never been any organizational affiliation between the two organizations. CS2's work appears to be funding civil society organizations, CSOs abroad. What does that mean? As far as I can tell," that's a little vague, "it mainly means they give money out to nonprofits in foreign countries to do things like monitor and fight disease spread, monitor human rights abuses." This sounds a little like whitewashing. "Promoting digital security and so on." They do only good things, John. They definitely don't get involved in shady characters that are trying to rewrite the way our legal system deals with violent criminals. Nah. (laughs)

John Reeves 1:07:08 I, I've never understood Soros.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 (laughs) I don't get it either. Elon Musk hates him. I, uh, you know, I, I have a limited amount of knowledge, but I do know that he spends a lot of money on these, like, super progressive liberal DAs. I don't know wheth- whether or not Mike Benz, who's gonna be here soon, can really trace that 27 million. I'll ask him.... but the end of the line, it's like, this is all vague. Like, what is that- what's that 24 million going to? Like, what, what... It might be going to fight diseases. It might be go- or sure, or you don't know. How about you don't know? And all you did was Google whether or not those people know each other? That's crazy. Doesn't mean they do, doesn't mean it's corrupt, doesn't mean it goes to Soros funds, but you didn't disprove it.

John Reeves 1:07:49 Well, that's... Anymore, you can't hardly tell what's true. I mean, the rumors that are floating around are... Is it AI? Is it true? Is it... What am I looking at?

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Yeah, a lot of AI stuff.

John Reeves 1:08:01 And the, and the rumors I've... We were talking about rumors on the drive, and I'm going, sometimes you just can't do anything about them. You just gotta let them run. And then if you can improve them, if you're involved in it, improve it somehow-

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 Hmm.

John Reeves 1:08:15 ... to make it a better rumor.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Yeah.

John Reeves 1:08:17 One of the most recent rumors, and I was looking, talking to Drew this morning, the, the rumor that, uh, Elon Musk was going to put four commercials on the Super Bowl about Doge and all the things that are fine things they're doing.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Yeah.

John Reeves 1:08:33 He didn't do that.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 I wonder if that's even legal.

John Reeves 1:08:36 That was fake news.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 Right. But that seems like... If you can make a stylish video about... I wonder if that's legal, right? Like, I don't know what the rules are. I don't even know if it should be legal. Like, what are the rules in terms of, if you're, if you're involved in some sort of a government agency or a government discovery agency, which is like what Doge is, right? If you're involved in that, like, would you be able to propagandize to the people even in a positive way? Even if it's true. Like, make a video showing how amazing a job you're doing and doing it in a cinematic way that makes it compelling? That seems like a lot of influence, right?

John Reeves 1:09:17 Yeah, supposedly he was going to spend 40 million on it or something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Yeah, but that's just the internet.

John Reeves 1:09:21 I know. It's crazy. But-

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 I didn't even ask him. And then I went online looking for them. (laughs)

John Reeves 1:09:27 Yeah. Well, I was thinking every, at least there's gonna be one a quarter. Didn't see one in the first quarter-

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 No.

John Reeves 1:09:33 ... in the second quarter, the half. And, uh, by the end of the game was kind of over.

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 Well, that's like when everybody thought that JFK Jr. was going to come back to life and show up in Dallas and...

John Reeves 1:09:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 (laughs) There's a lot of those online that you have to wonder what those are. 'Cause, uh, I used to think, "Oh, there's just some idiot made this up." But now I'm more inclined to think that some of that is just more disinformation that's designed to muddy the waters of truth. And the more of that, the better. The more it makes it easy to, like, move stuff around and you forget about other things. Like, what's Benghazi? I got this to worry about. And there's, like, always some new thing that's popping up everywhere. And it's like, keep you distracted completely.

John Reeves 1:10:19 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 Trump's gonna have four commercials about how Elon Musk... No, nothing. Not one commercial.

John Reeves 1:10:24 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:10:25 I did think it was interesting that Taylor Swift got booed-

John Reeves 1:10:28 We talked about that.

Joe Rogan 1:10:29 ... at the Super Bowl.

John Reeves 1:10:30 There's-

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 That was crazy.

John Reeves 1:10:31 Max and, Max and Drew out there were saying it's because 75% of the people were Phillies fans in that stadium.

Joe Rogan 1:10:38 Eh.

John Reeves 1:10:39 I don't know. Could be fake news.

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 The dude tweeted, "I hate Taylor Swift." (laughs)

John Reeves 1:10:47 (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 So ridiculous. Imagine like you being the people that are around him and you see that tweet and you're like, "Oh, fuck. Take his phone away." (laughs) Satire, the claim about Elon spending $40 million on ads for the Super Bowl originated from the TikTok account, bryanbanjo. Bryan Banjo is a satire account. Oh, okay. So people just ran with it.

Narrator 1:11:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 There you go.

Narrator 1:11:13 Yeah. They had the wrong date on it, apparently.

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 That makes sense. That makes sense.

John Reeves 1:11:17 I saw a clip this morning with George Lucas was saying that he filmed the moon landing.

Joe Rogan 1:11:22 Oh, you mean Stanley Kubrick?

John Reeves 1:11:24 Or s- I'm sorry. Stanley-

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 Yeah.

John Reeves 1:11:25 Yeah, Stanley Kubrick.

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 That is an actor that's doing that. And that's why it's like a really close cropped footage of him. You don't, like, zoom in. He doesn't quite look like Kubrick, but he looks like a weird old guy with a beard. And so-

John Reeves 1:11:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 ... if you don't know what Kubrick looks like-

John Reeves 1:11:40 Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 1:11:41 ... it's... Yeah, not Kubrick. But if anybody faked the moon landing, it was that guy.

John Reeves 1:11:47 What about Buzz Aldrin? Have you... He... I think he came out and said, "No, I would, I would know. We didn't land there."

Joe Rogan 1:11:54 Well, he said some weird stuff, but the weird stuff you could attribute to, like, Biden type weird stuff. Like, when you get old, sometimes the old dome don't work so good and-

John Reeves 1:12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:03 ... your words come out goofy. Like he was talking to that young girl, "'Cause it didn't happen. We never went." Like he said something weird like that. But I think as a conspiracy theorist, I want to believe that that's him letting everybody know. That's not nearly as interesting as the, um, the Neil Armstrong one. The Neil Armstrong one is crazy. And this was at the 25th anniversary of the moon landing. He gives a speech in front of America's best and brightest high school students. And instead of saying, "I went to the moon. It was amazing," he gives the most cryptic explanation for what they have to do in order to progress in science. Play it for me, Jamie. 'Cause when you see it, when you listen to it, you're like, "What the fuck is he saying?" And why would you ever say that when you're giving a speech to the best high school students in the country at the White House? Why would you say this? Like, play it.

Narrator 1:13:06 ... anniversary of the event in 1994. Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House. (instrumental music)

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 Today we have with us, uh, a group of students among America's best.To you we say, we've only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. What the fuck does that mean? Breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth's protective layers? What the fuck does that mean? Like, why would you say that? That is so cryptic. I don't care what reasonable explanations you have. That is undeniably cryptic. And if you're a person that did something in 1969 that no one's come even close to recreating today, it's a little weird.

John Reeves 1:14:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:27 It's a little weird. And that's just part of what's a little weird about it. It's a little weird that it's got a, almost a religious connotation to it, where people wanna believe in it like they believe in the resurrection. They wanna believe in it despite any evidence. I believe in the resurrection more. How about that? (laughs)

John Reeves 1:14:44 (laughs) Take that rumor and twist it around however you want.

Joe Rogan 1:14:49 (laughs)

John Reeves 1:14:49 Make it, make it something you can deal with.

Joe Rogan 1:14:51 The, the moon landing one I'm like, "I don't know. I don't think so." I don't know, but if I had to guess, I don't think so. And then, um, what's really weird is we had that Bart Sibrel guy on, that was his documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. Um, he was showing us some footage where the Russians had used AI to do an analysis on some of the photos from the moon, and they said that they were deceptive. So they use AI on all these other images, it can show as like, like a high 90% accuracy whether or not something's been fucked with. And they're like, "These are all... These have been monkeyed with."

John Reeves 1:15:29 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:29 "It was all edited."

John Reeves 1:15:32 You don't know what to believe. I mean, I just saw a clip yesterday with my voice again-

Joe Rogan 1:15:37 (laughs) What were you selling?

John Reeves 1:15:38 ... talking about some-

Joe Rogan 1:15:38 I'd sent you something. I sent you one of them.

John Reeves 1:15:41 Oh, yeah. No, it has you and me and I talking like this, and we're talking about some space enterprise with starships and shit, and I'm going, "How do they do this?"

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 They can do a whole podcast with your voice now.

John Reeves 1:15:54 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:54 Not, not only could they do a whole podcast with your voice, AI could generate the content. Like you'd say, "I wanna talk to John Reeves about biological evolution and what the current state of science is, and what the future holds for us."

John Reeves 1:16:07 And that'll be used in the clip that we're gonna see within a week.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 (laughs) Probably.

John Reeves 1:16:11 Your voice. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:12 Probably, 'cause it, they