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Pneumonia scare derails the planned recording
- NANarrator
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- JRJohn Reeves
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Good to see you, my friend.
- JRJohn Reeves
Good to be seen. Thank you, good to see you.
- JRJoe Rogan
We were supposed to be doing the end of the year, but unfortunately, you got caught with the cooties.
- JRJohn Reeves
I did. I did. And, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
What'd you get?
- JRJohn Reeves
... I can officially announce that the end of 2024 is right now.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Well-
- JRJohn Reeves
Been waiting for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
... calendar's all bullshit anyway. Supposed to be on that old one that's 13 months.
- JRJohn Reeves
There you go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, so what happened? What'd you catch?
- JRJohn Reeves
Well, I thought I had bronchitis. All the- everybody in the house had it and we go to CrossFit, and they all had it. I go to CrossFit Jackson. My trainer's Megan Russell there, and she's going, "Ah, you know, you, you might wanna take it easy a little bit." Of course, I'm smoking cigarettes, and I got bronchitis. And I go to a clinic, they give me some drugs. "Yeah, you got bronchitis." Go home, couple days later, I'm sleeping in my chair and my wife has one of those little oxygen modern things that you put on your finger. She wakes me up and goes, uh, "All right, let's go." "Well, what do you mean, 'Let's go'?" "Oxygen levels. You're going to the hospital." "What? I'm just sitting here taking a nap." "No, you're going to the hospital." So I said, "Okay." So we get... It's late at night. We go to St. Vincent's Clinic, go in, it's late, and, um, sitting there waiting for the doctor. Arian Afshari, great guy, turns out. He comes in and looking at me. He's young enough to be one of my kids. He goes, stethoscope, listening to my lungs. He goes, "Do you smoke?" I said, "Yeah." He says, "You need to quit." I said, "I just did."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
He goes, "What?" I said, "I just did. I'm done. Now what do we do?" He goes, "Well, next, you're going to the hospital. This is just a clinic." I said, "What do you mean I'm going to the hospital?" He says, "You haven't got bronchitis. You got pneumonia, and I think you got double pneumonia. So you're going right now."
- JRJoe Rogan
What's double pneumonia?
- JRJohn Reeves
Both lungs.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JRJohn Reeves
The bad kind.
- JRJoe Rogan
The bad kind.
- JRJohn Reeves
He says, "But the good news is you don't have bronchitis." (laughs) I said, "Okay."
- JRJoe Rogan
I guess that's good news.
- JRJohn Reeves
And that, that was about the time I was supposed to be in the studio with you. Uh, just a couple days before that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JRJohn Reeves
And I'm going, "Wow, this kind of screw up my plans." As you know, best made plans and all that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Listen, the plans are all bullshit. We made those up.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We'll do it at the end of the year (laughs) if you... It doesn't have to be that.
- JRJohn Reeves
All right. Well, I look-
- 3:44 – 5:39
Quitting a 50-year smoking habit (and what finally worked)
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you have a hard time kicking the cigarettes? You've been... 'Cause you've been smoking, like, your whole life, right?
- JRJohn Reeves
I did. I've smoked for over 50 years. And I know it's bad for me, and I've never been an anti-smoking crusader, but if anything good comes of my appearance with you today was that this Dr. Afshari, total stranger, guy I never met before in my life, happened to tell me at the right exact time, "You need to quit." And I've been thinking I need to quit for a long time. My loved ones told me that, my wife, my kids, and I never... Okay, yeah, that's a good idea.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a weird thing because it kills you slowly. And along the way, it gives you just a little bit of happiness, a little bit of happiness while it kills you slowly. And it's not just a problem of killing you slowly, it's how it's gonna kill you. The way it's gonna kill you, it's gonna suffocate you.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, I have a friend, my friend Mike, who, uh, owns the Comedy and Magic Club in Hermosa Beach, and he was trying to convince a friend of mine to quit smoking because his wife is a nurse. I believe so. I believe ............................ But he was explaining that, um, the way people die of lung cancer, the way people die at the end, and he's like, "It's horrible." Like, it's hor-... You don't see that. You just hear "He died of cancer." You don't see what the final days are like. And it's avoidable. It's avoidable.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, well, since I quit, well, I don't cough anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that crazy?
- JRJohn Reeves
It's crazy. I can breathe better and I, I'm still re-... uh, you know, getting better from the, uh, pneumonia.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm sure.
- JRJohn Reeves
'Cause it takes a while to get over that. But I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I was amazed that you could still fly so quickly.
- JRJohn Reeves
We drove.
- JRJoe Rogan
You drove from Alaska?
- JRJohn Reeves
No, from Florida.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's right, Florida in the west.
- JRJohn Reeves
We were in Florida and-
- JRJoe Rogan
How long did that take though? That's a couple days.
- JRJohn Reeves
It was a couple days.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ.
- JRJohn Reeves
Well, we had stuff we didn't wanna put on the airlines.
- JRJoe Rogan
Got it.
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Wink. Government. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs) I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 5:39 – 7:16
Road travel, seeing America up close, and escaping ideological bubbles
- JRJohn Reeves
I'm just teasing. We, uh, we went on a road trip, went on a little adventure. You know, it's... You fly over this country at 45,000 feet and you're looking out the window, it's a big country.
- JRJoe Rogan
It happens in two hours.
- JRJohn Reeves
I-That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
And you're looking out and you suddenly you see a little dot and see some houses and you go, "I wonder what those people do down there."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a real problem with people who don't venture outside of the bubbles. If they're in those, those left-wing liberal bubbles like New York and California, the people that don't travel... What, what helped me a lot is doing stand-up on the road.
- JRJohn Reeves
Oh, boy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because I was on, I was everywhere. So I would go to all these different towns all over the country, you get to see a whole different group of people, a whole different kind of people. You know, it's like people are the same and different everywhere you go. And this idea that the people in the middle are stupid, especially now, that's a really dumb way to look at it because of the internet. Now everybody kind of has access to information and you're gonna have dumb people and you're gonna have smart people no matter where you go, including in the cities. But the problem in the cities is the dumb people can trick you because they believe the things that the smart people believe and they say them loudly. And so they think they're smart. So this is a way to be smart without actually being smart. Just say the things that smart people say and say it like you're defending it and you're defending freedom or science or some shit, democracy, whatever it is. You just yell it out. And then the smart people won't say anything because you're saying the things that they want to say and the other people are like, "Hey, I know what you're doing," and it, it more than anything it turns people off.
- JRJohn Reeves
Exactly. By traveling, you having a chance at having an adventure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
Something cool could happen.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you run into interesting characters.
- 7:16 – 8:48
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- NANarrator
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- JRJoe Rogan
Regular humans just living different lives, you know, and they're all over the place and they're all unique. You know, that's the cool thing about this country, if you really did have the time. That's what I loved about Anthony Bourdain's show, especially the first one of the hour is y- you go to these, like, little hot dog stands in New Jersey and just, it, it, you just hang out with people and street food and, you know, you just get a, just a bigger picture of humans and life.
- 8:48 – 11:33
Buc-ee’s, cheap gas, and why energy pricing feels upside down
- JRJohn Reeves
When we got to, uh, I forget, Texas, there was a place called Bucky's.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
Jesus Christ.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that crazy?
- JRJohn Reeves
Y-
- JRJoe Rogan
First time you go there you're like, "What the hell is this place?"
- JRJohn Reeves
Two, there... 200 gas pumps.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
I went, "What are you doing?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs) We paid a buck 47 a gallon.
- JRJoe Rogan
(groans) .
- JRJohn Reeves
That's three times what I, or three times less than what I pay in Alaska.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Alaska's got to be rough, right? But meanwhile, that's where they get the oil. Isn't the oil, like, real close to there?
- JRJohn Reeves
It's r- runs right through my property.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
I helped build that son of a bitch. So, any, anyways.
- JRJoe Rogan
(yawns)
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, no, that's, I've never understood the economics of how that works.
- JRJoe Rogan
California's the worst. I believe the way, we tried to figure this out the other day, I don't think we got to the bottom of it though. I think California has to use gasoline that's refined in California. So it's one of the reasons why, and then, I'm sure, crazy fucking carbon taxes, whatever. They, they, they ramp up some of, extra shit to make it more expensive because you're, you're looking at a price per gallon that's like a couple bucks more a gallon always than it is here. As soon as we came here I was like, "What happened to gas prices? Why, why is it so much less here?"
- JRJohn Reeves
Y- you get a little plastic bottle of water, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JRJohn Reeves
12 ounces.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
You look at that bottle, you'll pay two bucks for it in a 7-Eleven, you know, for that little bottle of water. Four of those bottles of water make a gallon. You're paying eight bucks a gallon for water. Water is the most abundant thing on the planet. It's everywhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JRJohn Reeves
Except in some parts of California, apparently they didn't want to have the-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
... reservoirs filled up.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they had to put a lid on it, Jon. There's a lid and the lid was broken.
- 11:33 – 14:40
Is oil ‘fossil fuel’? Underground oceans and the ringwoodite rabbit hole
- JRJoe Rogan
There is a book that I read, a book that I read I think in the '90s called Black Gold Stranglehold. Maybe early 2000s, and I never found out if it was real or not. W- well, I n- I never looked into it any further. I need to talk to, like, an expert. But this guy was essentially saying that oil is a natural property of Earth and that it's not like dinosaur fossils, like, we like to think about it, fossil fuels, dinosaurs and plants break down, they make oil. He, no, he said oil is a natural component of Earth and that...... the proof is in the fact that if they have s- these wells that go dry, they can wait just a little while, and then they could go back to the well again, and it'll replenish itself.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
How is that possible if this is just decaying matter over millions and millions of years? It doesn't make sense. Unless it's coming, seeping in from other areas that they don't have access to, and it somehow or another gets to that well, like it's all like a stream underground. Which begs the question, like, how much is there? Well, they found out that there's three times more water in the ground, underground, than there is in all the oceans of Earth.
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs) Some crazy stuff, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Crazy stuff. That I didn't even make sense, 'cause they said the water's trap- I think they're saying the water's trapped in rocks. Is that what they're saying? See, see if you can find that article. It's, uh, three times as much water under the ground as the ocean. Like, how? Wha- three times?
- JRJohn Reeves
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It says it's stored within a mineral called re- ringwoodite.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ringwoodite.
- JRJohn Reeves
Which is a mineral within ringwoodite.
- JRJoe Rogan
What does it look like?
- JRJohn Reeves
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Does it have a picture?
- JRJohn Reeves
I'll Google that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like some fucking Avatar mineral, some glowing blue mineral filled with water.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, yeah, that's kinda what it looks like.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
With, oh, shit! That's crazy. I called it. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Magnesium silicate. Wow, it's beautiful. Show me an image of that shit.
- JRJohn Reeves
I'll have to look into that.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Key points about it. The hidden ocean's found under hundreds of miles below the Earth's surface in the transition zone between the upper and lower mantle. The water's trapped within the crystal structure of the mineral ringwoodite. Significance: This discovery could significantly alter our understanding of the Earth's water cycle and potentially provide insights into the origin of water on our planet." Whoa. Thank God there's scientists out there. Except, th- you know, of course the cocksuckers that fucking steal your phones won't give 'em back.
- JRJohn Reeves
Motherfuckers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck those guys. But other scientists, like these cool guys that figured this out, these cool guys, gals, and nonbinary folk. That is wild stuff, man. Three times as much ocean as is in the ocean? That's so crazy. So that's the transition zone. It's all hydrated. How long before, like, rappers start wearing that around a w- a necklace? That seems like s- a- a dope necklace.
- JRJohn Reeves
That's sweet.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's that shit that they make water out of.
- JRJohn Reeves
Dope.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
You just gotta sell it to someone. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you just need some Kendrick Lamar-type influencer, someone who's at the top of his game, to start wearing it. You know, like Kanye in his prime, he could've, he could've got that out there. (laughs)
- 14:40 – 16:29
Complimenting the Trump episode and getting mobbed in the comments
- JRJohn Reeves
By the way, I wanna thank you for your, uh, podcast, and the one with, uh, President Trump.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, you're welcome.
- JRJohn Reeves
I thought that was great. And I made the mistake of complimenting you on, on that page. I said, "I really enjoyed the podcast between you and President Trump." Jesus Christ. 8,000 people coming at me. "I'm stopping to follow you. You're a nasty person. I hate you."
- JRJoe Rogan
This is on your page?
- JRJohn Reeves
On my page.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you gotta stop reading the comments.
- JRJohn Reeves
I know. A great man once told me that.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
The problem is, I don't take advice and I don't give advice.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
But I'm trying to.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't give a whole lot of advice. I guess I do sometimes, but only with really important stuff. Like, that's an important one.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, I've-
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't fix those... And they will affect the way you think.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They affect the way people behave.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
They affect th- your freedom of expression, to freely express yourself.
- JRJohn Reeves
I think it had a great impact on the election, myself.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think, I think it had an impact. Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
'Cause i- it showed d- showed, um, Mr. Trump as a regular guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
As a human. Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah. It humanized him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, well, he also was right about a lot of shit.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The fact that he called the problem with the LA fires months before they happened-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... was literally saying what they needed to do-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
... what they're doing wrong, and then, boom, two times the size of Manhattan is gone.
- 16:29 – 20:56
Government waste, USAID skepticism, and why accountability collapses
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, there's, you're always gonna have a certain amount of hurricane damage, and d- but if we don't take care of that first, and instead we spend $200 million on transgender animal studies, like, what the fuck? What are we doing? Like, why aren't we allocating money to the most important things we have, which is people and their safety and their homes and to be able to rebuild? The fact that they get a $770 check and that's it, that's all those people in Maui got? That's just to let you know, like, th- this is a fucking rigged game. So even if you're not happy with what Elon Musk is doing, and he has access that he shouldn't have and all this different stuff, y- you, y- you gotta rip the Band-Aid off, kids.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This country is trillions of dollars-
- JRJohn Reeves
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
$36 trillion in debt, and a lot of the stuff that's listed on US Aid, all the stuff that's coming out, all these different things that they paid for, they're so frivolous and so fucking insane. W- it wouldn't be too cra- it wouldn't be as crazy if we were, A, $36 trillion in debt, and B, not taking care of people in Maui and North Carolina.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
But the fact that those things exist, that those three things exist, and then people are still... They don't wanna say that he's right. They're, they're so locked into this idea. Like, if a Democrat had found all that, if Joe Biden had went in and found corruption that was in the, the, the halls of our government and tried to weed it out and said, "There's corruption in these NGOs, there's corruption in these, you know, not-for-profits, there's a lot of corruption and influence, and we're gonna weed this out because we want a fair country," the fucking place would be cheering him. This would be like some shit JFK would do in '62.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody would be cheering him. Yes, this is what we need, a real president who's really gonna come in and fix these things. But because it, because Trump's doing it, and the way he does things. It's just like he's a fuck...
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He just...... did you see on the J- Air Force One, they announced that this is the first time a president has ever flying over the Gulf of America, the newly named Gulf of America? (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
That was classic. I mean, he doesn't miss a beat.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's funny. It's funny. Look, I hope that the good stuff from USAID can be picked back up. I hope that there's some stuff that can be reinstated, because I think there's genuine good that a lot of these nonprofit organizations and NGOs, a lot... A lot of people are genuinely good people, they're doing good work, and it'd be good for us, as a civilization, to sponsor some of that. But you gotta know, like, what's fraud, you know? And how much of it is horseshit? And how mu- uh, how much of it can you track? There's this guy, Ian Caroll. Did you see Ian's video about it? He was saying that somewhere in the neighborhood of, like, 90% of the stuff that they're paying for doesn't even make it to where it's supposed to be going, and that it could just all... A lot of it could just be fraud.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yup.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see that video, Jamie?
- NANarrator
No, but I just... I've... He makes a lot of cool videos. I've seen the videos. He's gotten things wrong, though.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know.
- NANarrator
So.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what makes it fun.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) That's why I like people like him. Him and Candace Owens, they're my favorite go-tos when I wanna know who the fucking lizard people are. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Well, the, the money we send to Ukraine, and they can't find $100 billion of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're only missing $100 billion, John.
- JRJohn Reeves
It's only $100 billion.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not a lot of money.
- JRJohn Reeves
No, it's not.
- JRJoe Rogan
$100 billion for all those fine weapons? Uh, I don't even know what happened. Like, where's the... How'd the money get distributed? Like, who/where did it go? (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
I-
- 20:56 – 23:57
Immigration: compassion, screening, and fixing root causes abroad
- JRJoe Rogan
The people that aren't like that are the people that are in desperation, the people that are in horrible desperation or people that have been abused, you know? And I, I, I've always said, like, there's this compassionate view of, um, immigration in this country. Like, the progressive, compassionate people, their idea is we should not stop people from pursuing a better life, and that they come here because where they live is fucking terrible and they wanna be able to come here and they wanna be able to live the American dream, and we should be open to that. That's great, but you can't do that while you're also letting in terrorists, right? So, like, what i- what is the... what's the solution? 'Cause the solution is you bring everybody over here that could commit crimes, you have chaos. Then people demonize the rest of them, who are very good people who just want a better life, because the few that you let in 'cause you didn't screen at all, the few that you let in that were scumbags, they're fucking gang members and-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... holding up apartment buildings-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and all this different crazy shit that we know is true. The right way to do it is take what we have in America, the f- the freedom and the, the ability to prosper, and expand that throughout the world. Like, if we were good neighbors, what we would try to do is turn Mexico into another America. Not another America culturally. That's not what I'm saying. But stop being run by the fucking cartels.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Stop being run by people who are selling fentanyl. You know, like, d- d- figure out how to pay people a, like, a fair wage, the reason why all those factories went down there, so they could pay people slave labor. Make that illegal. Make that illegal. Make your own shit. Like, we should all help each other get to a state of living, like, that the whole world could live at. Like, that seems... If, if that's not possible, something's real wrong with the system. You know? Like, the top 1% in this country is... I don't know what it is, but the top 1% in the world is $34,000 a year. That's how different the rest of the world is. That's why they're walking here from Guatemala.
- JRJohn Reeves
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I get it. I get it. My thought is, if you wanna invest money, don't invest money and just, like, f- pay all these people to live here and stay at the Roosevelt Hotel and all that crazy shit. Invest money in making their life better where they are.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yup.
- JRJoe Rogan
If, if you could figure out how to make these places where they come from as prosperous as America, wouldn't that be better?
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that possible?
- JRJohn Reeves
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it's gotta be. It's possible here. How come you can't... That's the best concept of spreading democracy, like spread real democracy. But the problem with us is we don't really spread democracy. We just go over there and take over, you know? We go over there and ins- install a puppet dictatorship and, you know, throw the whole fucking country into a tizzy.
- JRJohn Reeves
And a lot of people are getting rich off of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of people are getting rich. This is the problem. And we're reliant on cheap stuff, you know? I mean, all these fucking social justice warriors and virtue signalers, they're all doing it on phones made by slaves. That's what's crazy.
- 23:57 – 40:54
Gold at $3,000: mining timelines, nuggets with ‘character,’ and old-school lingo
- JRJohn Reeves
And the, and the ones that wanna shut the mining industry down, uh, uh... I use gold as an example. By the way, gold's gone up $1,000 an ounce since I saw you last.
- JRJoe Rogan
Damn.
- JRJohn Reeves
Damn, that's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
$1,000 an ounce?
- JRJohn Reeves
It's 3,000 bucks an ounce.
- JRJoe Rogan
Didn't they find a gang of it in China recently?
- JRJohn Reeves
Oh, they probably got all kinds of it in China.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think China ju- didn't they f- China just found, found some crazy new discovery of an en- enormous, uh, amount of gold.
- JRJohn Reeves
They're, they're talking about backing a cryptocoin with gold.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's better than money.It's real.
- JRJohn Reeves
My, my son is a-
- JRJoe Rogan
When are you gonna get a, uh, Boneyard cryptocoins?
- JRJohn Reeves
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
2024 November, China discovered a large gold deposit in the Wangu, uh, Goldfield in the Hunan Province. The discovery is estimated to be worth $83 billion, making it one of the largest gold finds in history. Holy shit.
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
The deposit is estimated to contain over 1,000 metric tons of gold. Gold is located in 40 veins that extend up to 3,000 meters underground. The discovery was made using advanced 3D geological modeling. That's incredible. Isn't it amazing? I mean, you're a gold miner. Tell me, like, how the f- how do you know where to dig? How do you guys find that stuff?
- JRJohn Reeves
It's real simple.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah?
- JRJohn Reeves
Gold's where you find it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Well, that's-
- JRJohn Reeves
I mean, that's the bottom line, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JRJohn Reeves
And, and... But once you make a discovery, let's use lode gold, which is still in the rock. Placer gold, what we do is then erode it out of the rock. It's in the concentrates on bedrock, and you, you gotta wash it and sift it and sluice it and... But, uh, lode gold, you gotta crush to get the gold out of the rock.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JRJohn Reeves
And so, from the moment of discovery until you produce it out of that gold mine takes, average, 29 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa!
- JRJohn Reeves
29 years to go from finding it to having an operating gold mine or copper mine or lead mine or silver mine or zinc mine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow! That's crazy. Y- what's really interesting, too, in this country is the story of the gold miners, like the San Francisco 49ers, the people that came across the, the, the, the country-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... when they found out that they had struck gold. And that must have been a really wild time, a fucking dangerous time, too. You got- 'cause you have the lawless West, and then you have a bunch of people who are just desperados, who are pulling gold out of the ground. And that guy might have pulled enough gold out of the ground to literally pay for the rest of your life.
- 40:54 – 43:56
Cybersecurity, Bitcoin doubts, quantum threats, and ‘Boneyard Coin’ jokes
- JRJohn Reeves
My son, Kenzie, works for Palo Alto. He's got a master's degree in cybersecurity. He's working on another one, a master's in AI.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- JRJohn Reeves
And, uh, after talking to him and seeing what he's doing, he's ... he, uh, he did his master's thesis on hacking satellites. And when I heard that, I s- t- th- you know, that puts a whole new light on Bitcoin for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
I'm going, "Heh, I like gold. It's in your hand. You can see it, you can hold it, you can feel it. But here, I brought you some Bitcoins. Catch."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
I just threw you 20 of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, as soon as you have real quantum computing where they can a- run actual programs on it, you're not gonna have encryption anymore. Or you're gonna have to have some new kind of encryption that we never anticipated before, that, like, maybe you turn on and off and y- y- ... It's gonna have to be something that the computer doesn't have access to, somehow or another. Maybe possibly, like, independent of a system. But independent of a system, how would it even c-
- JRJohn Reeves
(coughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... communicate with you if it's electronic? If it has Wi-Fi, like, the, the ... it's gonna get into it. There's n- ... You're not gonna be able to stop something that's infinitely more intelligent than any human being from deciphering any kind of goofy ass encryption you have, some fucking stupid apple complex password that it picked for you. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
See, I- I- I'm just not ... I just don't understand it. I mean, for two years, Bitcoin went after the gold miners saying, "Why, why would you-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's dumb.
- JRJohn Reeves
... invest in gold when you can invest in Bitcoin?" So, I don't have a problem with Bitcoin. I mean, the guys that are making money on it or making bank, they're doing great.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm telling you, we need a Boneyard, we need a Boneyard Coin.
- JRJohn Reeves
We do.
- JRJoe Rogan
How about a Boneyard Coin? Just don't do a pump and dump. That's the key. You can have your own money.
- JRJohn Reeves
Can we make it out of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie and I have been talking about it. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Can we make a real- make it out of gold?
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs) Real ones? Yeah, we could.
- JRJohn Reeves
One penny weight coins. There's 20 penny weights in an ounce.
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's an opening right now 'cause Trump just banned the penny.
- JRJohn Reeves
It's about time.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Each one of those pennies is worth about six cents.
- JRJoe Rogan
Two cents. It costs us two cents to make each penny.
- JRJohn Reeves
To make it, yeah, but the copper itself...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- JRJohn Reeves
Oh, yeah. You gotta mine it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really? So each penny is worth six cents?
- 43:56 – 46:20
Money feels imaginary: pennies, phone payments, banking, and the post–gold standard world
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, so in the '80s, there were real pennies. So if you get one of them old pennies, that's a valuable penny. The weight of a penny determines if it's copper or zinc. A copper penny weighs 3.11 grams, while a zinc penny weighs 2.5. Interesting. Yeah, coins are weird. Like, enough of that. I fucking... I know it's stupid because you are, like, a part of the system, and you can't control it, but I love paying for things with my phone. I love going, toot-toot, looking at my face and p- pressing on the register and, "Thank you."
- JRJohn Reeves
I see guys do it all the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
I don't know how to do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I love it. It's like, I feel like I'm living in the future. I- it's my favorite th- it's so irrational. So my favorite thing to do is to pay for shit with my phone. I could pay, I would pay for everything with my phone if I could.
- JRJohn Reeves
I used to in Jacksonville.
- JRJoe Rogan
Toot-toot! (laughs) Just use your face, touch it, and it pays for the... I love, I'm so stupid. Um, I love the little check that comes up, "Oh, yay, I paid for it."
- JRJohn Reeves
You go through a drive-through to get food, and you see the guy in front of you ai- aiming his phone at somebody inside.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JRJohn Reeves
And you don't see any cash flying around.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. It's weird.
- JRJohn Reeves
It is weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird because, like, who's controlling it? And if you have the same sort of oversight that you had with all the stuff that Doge is showing, where there's all this corruption and waste, and $100 billion is missing from Ukraine, and, like, what, where, wh- what'd you do? How many, how much money did you spend on these fucking charging stations, and how many have you made? All that kind of stuff. If you, if you look at all the, if that's all applied to money too, and it's digital money. Like, how do I know where you have it, if you even have it, right?
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause this is part of the problem with money and banks, that they don't really have all the money that you put in there. Like, if you put in $10 million to a bank, guess what? They don't have $10 million to give you. Like, if you say, "I want my $10 million back," that's a process.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, they gotta, you have to get it. They're gonna really try to discourage you. It's, you can't get it that day.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's gonna be, a, a lot of things have to happen. If you show up at a bank, and you're fucking Jeff Bezos or something, where they're not worried about where it came from, and you want to deposit $10 million, and you have a fucking bag, and you're wheeling in on, like, a luggage cart, and it's $10 million, and they count it, and they put it in there.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but it's not there anymore. They're gonna do s- they're gonna loan that out. They're gonna do stuff with it. They don't have it right there.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah. No. No, it's all...
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's all weird. Like, the whole economy is weird. Everything's weird. 'Cause w- since we went off the gold standard, it's like, what, what is it based on? And how do you guys just print more of it every time you need something? Every time you wanna do something, you just print more?
- 46:20 – 57:54
Mask culture after COVID, ‘sick care’ vs healthcare, and Joe’s diet + glyphosate concerns
- JRJohn Reeves
I'm old enough to know and remember, if you were in a bank and a guy walks in wearing a fucking mask, usually you had to hit the floor.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JRJohn Reeves
B- there's a bank I go to in Jacksonville, where you walk in the bank and the tellers are wearing masks. I'm going, "This ain't right." And they go, "What are you wearing a mask for?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they're mentally ill.
- JRJohn Reeves
What are you wearing a mask for?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think a lot of people weren't really doing well before COVID, you know? There's a lot of people that are fragile. They're barely hanging on already, you know? A lot of people are, like, really anxious about diseases. I have friends that are like that. I know a few guys in the w- comedy community that really cracked during that time 'cause they were already filled with anxiety, and some of them were already hypo contracts, and they cracked.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, they're not the same people anymore. Like, people don't want to hang out with them anymore. Th- they're weird. Like, th- they're just, they're just broken. And they wear masks everywhere.
- JRJohn Reeves
This one bank I went to, teller's wearing a mask. The next teller over is not wearing a mask.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's probably Republican. (laughs) That's what it is. It's a MAGA hat. It's a Democrat's MAGA hat.
- JRJohn Reeves
Ah. And you see them driving around with a mask on in his car.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's my favorite.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's, they're, they're meant, they might as well have fox ears on. They're mentally ill.
- JRJohn Reeves
And I wear, you know, when we're out on the field, and we're out mining or got all the dust flying around, we don't worry... We have masks on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but that's big, that's a big difference.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, it is a big difference.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking invisible viruses as you're driving your car. By the way, I think fox ears are more noble 'cause fo- if you put, like, little fox ears on, you're like one of those furries, at least you're just having a good time.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? Like, you're just having a good time. You like wearing fox ears. Who gives a shit? The mask is just stupid. It's just, you, what, what, do you like smelling your own breath? What do you like? Not being able to breathe as good? What do you like? What do you like? Pretending that viruses can't get through those fucking gaping holes...
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that are all around the outside of your face and through the fabric, which is the reason why you can breathe in the first place? You fucking idiot. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Well, we made a bunch of masks with my logo on it. So, you know, you're wearing one of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
... these logos on your f- face like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's funny.
- JRJohn Reeves
Going, "Go fuck yourself."
- JRJoe Rogan
We, uh, had JRE masks that we were selling during the pandemic, and Sanjay Gupta brought one in like it was a gotcha. Like, "You sell masks." Like, yeah, 'cause people have to wear them, not 'cause they make sense.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't make any sense. You know they don't make sense.
- 57:54 – 1:11:17
Truckers, automation, and the idea that protests (and chaos) can be funded
- JRJohn Reeves
That's right. And, uh, you know, people say, "Oh, the, there's a revolution coming." It's here. I mean, the revolution is here. What we're seeing right now is history being made because the people that have been taken advantage of forever, in my opinion, are the people that are out there producing, the farmers, the miners.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, for sure.
- JRJohn Reeves
And the guys that I think (clears throat) really control, they have their hand on the throttle of this country, if they ever decide to take the- their hand off the throttle, is the truckers. Without the truckers, nobody eats.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're right.
- JRJohn Reeves
Nobody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
You get nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, th- that, those are the people that are gonna suffer the most with AI, AI and automation. Once they have those Tesla trucks that can just drive themselves, they never get into car accidents, those fucking things are everywhere, you never have to worry about them staying up all night and whether or not they're gonna make a mistake behind the wheel, once they get that totally dialed in, we're gonna have a real problem. That's gonna be a real problem 'cause you're gonna have so many people out of work and so many people that are gonna say, "Hey, figure it out." Well, they've been delivering your stuff. You've been r- depending upon them. Every Amazon package you order, every time you get anything delivered to your house, any time you're moving, anytime... Anytime, you're relying on truck drivers. And that job's just gonna go away.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's a lot of people. I think... Didn't we... Looked up the number of people that drive trucks or drive... That do, uh, that are drivers, whether it's taxi dri-... I think they put them all together, like people who drive for a living. I think it's more than a million. I think more than a million just truck drivers. That's crazy. Like, that (snaps fingers) one invention will put a million people out of work.
- JRJohn Reeves
I don't know, it's gonna have to be an awful big truck to have all the copper-
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you seen those things? Have you seen those Tesla trucks?
- JRJohn Reeves
Not the big ones.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're just the beginning.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The ones that they have now are just the beginning. United States has over 3.5 million professional truck drivers, but the trucking industry is facing a shortage of drivers. Wow. So they need more.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They have over 3.5 million, and they, they need more. Google, uh, Tesla Semi. This thing's crazy looking. This looks like something straight out of a science fiction movie. It's a giant electric... Go to images.
- NANarrator
It's on CCUs and YouTube.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm. Um, it looks like something out of a fucking science fiction movie. It's a giant electric truck. It makes no noise other than the tire, like you hear the tires rolling around the ground. You don't hear any... And that's the... Look at the seat of this fucking thing.
- JRJohn Reeves
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's two screens. And it drives itself. And they're going to be really good at driving themselves. Like, right now, they're really good, but they're gonna be really, really, really good. They're gonna be better than people, so they're not gonna make any mistakes and they're gonna be safe. And as long as all their sensors are working and a- long as all their equipment is reliable, they'll be better at detecting accidents and stopping accidents and avoiding things than people are.
- NANarrator
Elon said today they're gonna start the (clears throat) driverless Teslas in Austin in June as well as all-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, for taxicabs?
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, how long before they get attacked by the Free Palestine People?
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that's the other thing we found out through all this Doge stuff. How much, how much of this stuff that you see that you think is organic, these, these riots and protests, how much of that is funded? How much of that is, uh, uh, how much are we paying for the decisions that are costing us that? Like, how much? We're spending money to, like $27 million went to the George Soros D- DA fund. That's so crazy. That's more than he puts in. (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We were, we were paying to get shitty DAs elected. It's nuts. And anybody who doesn't think it's nuts, it's like, listen, you're not paying attention. You, you, you're captured. You must be captured by... And, and this is not saying that USA doesn't do good things. I'm sure they do. But the amount of things that they do that are ridiculous are, should concern you. And if it doesn't concern you, we're talking nonsense. We're not having a real conversation.
- 1:11:17 – 1:17:20
Deepfakes, AI-generated reality, and revisiting moon-landing conspiracies
- JRJohn Reeves
I saw a clip this morning with George Lucas was saying that he filmed the moon landing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, you mean Stanley Kubrick?
- JRJohn Reeves
Or s- I'm sorry. Stanley-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, Stanley Kubrick.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is an actor that's doing that. And that's why it's like a really close cropped footage of him. You don't, like, zoom in. He doesn't quite look like Kubrick, but he looks like a weird old guy with a beard. And so-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... if you don't know what Kubrick looks like-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's... Yeah, not Kubrick. But if anybody faked the moon landing, it was that guy.
- JRJohn Reeves
What about Buzz Aldrin? Have you... He... I think he came out and said, "No, I would, I would know. We didn't land there."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he said some weird stuff, but the weird stuff you could attribute to, like, Biden type weird stuff. Like, when you get old, sometimes the old dome don't work so good and-
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... your words come out goofy. Like he was talking to that young girl, "'Cause it didn't happen. We never went." Like he said something weird like that. But I think as a conspiracy theorist, I want to believe that that's him letting everybody know. That's not nearly as interesting as the, um, the Neil Armstrong one. The Neil Armstrong one is crazy. And this was at the 25th anniversary of the moon landing. He gives a speech in front of America's best and brightest high school students. And instead of saying, "I went to the moon. It was amazing," he gives the most cryptic explanation for what they have to do in order to progress in science. Play it for me, Jamie. 'Cause when you see it, when you listen to it, you're like, "What the fuck is he saying?" And why would you ever say that when you're giving a speech to the best high school students in the country at the White House? Why would you say this? Like, play it.
- NANarrator
... anniversary of the event in 1994. Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House. (instrumental music)
- JRJoe Rogan
Today we have with us, uh, a group of students among America's best.To you we say, we've only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. What the fuck does that mean? Breakthroughs for those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. Truth's protective layers? What the fuck does that mean? Like, why would you say that? That is so cryptic. I don't care what reasonable explanations you have. That is undeniably cryptic. And if you're a person that did something in 1969 that no one's come even close to recreating today, it's a little weird.
- JRJohn Reeves
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a little weird. And that's just part of what's a little weird about it. It's a little weird that it's got a, almost a religious connotation to it, where people wanna believe in it like they believe in the resurrection. They wanna believe in it despite any evidence. I believe in the resurrection more. How about that? (laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
(laughs) Take that rumor and twist it around however you want.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JRJohn Reeves
Make it, make it something you can deal with.
- JRJoe Rogan
The, the moon landing one I'm like, "I don't know. I don't think so." I don't know, but if I had to guess, I don't think so. And then, um, what's really weird is we had that Bart Sibrel guy on, that was his documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. Um, he was showing us some footage where the Russians had used AI to do an analysis on some of the photos from the moon, and they said that they were deceptive. So they use AI on all these other images, it can show as like, like a high 90% accuracy whether or not something's been fucked with. And they're like, "These are all... These have been monkeyed with."
- JRJohn Reeves
Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
"It was all edited."
- JRJohn Reeves
You don't know what to believe. I mean, I just saw a clip yesterday with my voice again-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) What were you selling?
- JRJohn Reeves
... talking about some-
- JRJoe Rogan
I'd sent you something. I sent you one of them.
- JRJohn Reeves
Oh, yeah. No, it has you and me and I talking like this, and we're talking about some space enterprise with starships and shit, and I'm going, "How do they do this?"
- JRJoe Rogan
They can do a whole podcast with your voice now.
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