Joe Rogan Experience #2273 - Adam Curry

Adam Curry 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) That's bullshit. I never got it-

Adam Curry 0:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:13 ... 'til this year. But they, that's what they say.

Adam Curry 0:15 That's what they say. You get it within a couple years you get it, and then, all of a sudden, you got it.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah.

Adam Curry 0:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 I don't know who the fuck they are, but it's not bad.

Adam Curry 0:23 I could hear it the other day. I, I heard it...

Joe Rogan 0:26 Stuffiness?

Adam Curry 0:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:26 Yeah.

Adam Curry 0:26 I heard Joe moaning.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Yeah, I had it for, like, four days, I've had stuffiness.

Adam Curry 0:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:29 But the thing is, like, when I work out, I feel great. The way I can really tell, like, the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get-

Adam Curry 0:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:36 ... in the sauna, in the cold plunge. If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there-

Adam Curry 0:39 Then you know.

Joe Rogan 0:40 ... then I know something's going on.

Adam Curry 0:41 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:41 It's not as simple as allergies.

Adam Curry 0:43 So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy. For 10 years. It was so bad. I'd go out to dinner. Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg. We'd come into Austin. I thought it was Austin. Uh, ser-, I was like, "Ah, Austin has given me this." Uh, we'd go out to dinner, start eating, and then, oh, my nose, my eyes, everything just... And I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket. Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think-

Joe Rogan 1:09 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 1:09 ... the last time I was here. And, uh, um, Maverick, my, uh, periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs. He says, "You know, man, you've got some low level infection here, and, uh, that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff." Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years, so when he did the initial extraction, uh, I think I took one or two shows off. And then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on, I'm like, "Whoa." I thought I'd hit something, uh, you know, a volume knob or something. Came back because-

Joe Rogan 1:39 Your hearing came back?

Adam Curry 1:40 ... because this was infected, and it was basically clogging up my sinuses and that was affecting the, the, the hearing.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Jesus.

Adam Curry 1:48 (laughs) Yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 1:48 Having a mouth infection like that's very dangerous, isn't it?

Adam Curry 1:52 People have no idea (laughs) how important oral health is. It's really, really critical. And also, I feel better because, you know, I'm not fighting infection continuously.

Joe Rogan 2:02 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 2:02 I, I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 2:02 So what, how did it all start? Like, what, what was going on with your teeth-

Adam Curry 2:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:08 ... that, like, made all these infections?

Adam Curry 2:09 I had a b- I had a bad start in life when, uh, when I was two or three, we were living in Uganda, and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie. So I had kind of a-

Joe Rogan 2:19 Oh.

Adam Curry 2:19 ... bad start, you know, and I had a lot of work. I had, uh, you know, just tons of fillings on my baby teeth. Everything was messed up. Then I had the big outboard headgear, which really traumatized me for life, taking that to school, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:33 Oh, yeah. To have the-

Adam Curry 2:33 It's like I was one of those guys.

Joe Rogan 2:35 ... outboard headgear as a ki-

Adam Curry 2:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Oh.

Adam Curry 2:36 Oh, yeah. It was bad. And, uh, about, um, uh, 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more, I went to the dentist here in, uh, in Austin, and, you know, he's like, you know, "We really gotta start doing stuff. We gotta start looking at repairing." And then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me and, you know, I'm like, "That's not..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:55 Oh, great. Guy or girl?

Adam Curry 2:57 Guy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:58 Damn.

Adam Curry 2:58 (laughs) Like, like, no, no, no, no. So, and I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there.

Joe Rogan 3:02 How wild is that? Like, what a-

Adam Curry 3:04 It was-

Joe Rogan 3:04 ... what a risky move. Like-

Adam Curry 3:05 It was so dumb. Like, why?

Joe Rogan 3:07 You're a married straight guy, and he's like-

Adam Curry 3:09 (laughs) What, what?

Joe Rogan 3:09 "Yeah, I think I can get him, though."

Adam Curry 3:11 We can get, we could...

Joe Rogan 3:12 (laughs)

Adam Curry 3:12 He could be on our team.

Joe Rogan 3:14 That is such a ma-

Adam Curry 3:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:15 A man move.

Adam Curry 3:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:17 It's such a thing that men would do.

Adam Curry 3:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:19 It's so stupid.

Adam Curry 3:20 He's like, "I'm here with some buddies of mine." You know, sending a picture. I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no."

Joe Rogan 3:24 They're all shirtless.

Adam Curry 3:25 So I'm like, "I'm, I'm, I'm not-"

Joe Rogan 3:26 (laughs) Fucking wearing cowboy hats. (laughs)

Adam Curry 3:27 "I'm not going back."

Joe Rogan 3:29 (laughs)

Adam Curry 3:30 "I'm good." And then, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:31 Oh.

Adam Curry 3:31 ... Tina and I, you know, we got together.

Joe Rogan 3:33 (sighs)

Adam Curry 3:33 We moved out to Fredericksburg, and she, and she's real big on, you know, preventative anything. You know, her car has the oil ch- everything on time, everything is all set. And her teeth, of course, are impeccable, and she's like-

Joe Rogan 3:43 That sounds like a good fit for you. (laughs)

Adam Curry 3:45 Totally. (laughs) Dude, you, you-

Joe Rogan 3:47 You need an organized lady.

Adam Curry 3:49 I had a credit score of 350.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Oh, no.

Adam Curry 3:52 And I didn't have credit cards. I was just cash, you know. Like, I didn't care. Like, you know-

Joe Rogan 3:56 Right.

Adam Curry 3:56 ... I had cash flow, everything is good, I don't care. Uh, she straightened me out. Oh, yeah. Oh, big time. You know-

Joe Rogan 4:01 Yeah.

Adam Curry 4:02 ... we, we pay our-

Joe Rogan 4:02 Disorganized men-

Adam Curry 4:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:03 ... ve- very much need organized women.

Adam Curry 4:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:05 You just can't have one that turns into your mom.

Adam Curry 4:08 Oh, no, no.

Joe Rogan 4:09 You know what I'm saying?

Adam Curry 4:09 That was my first, that was my first wife, and that, that was wrong.

Joe Rogan 4:11 That does happen-

Adam Curry 4:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:12 ... with some of them. Some of them, when you give them the reins-

Adam Curry 4:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:15 ... and they start telling you what to do, all of a sudden then it becomes very non-sexy.

Adam Curry 4:19 I will say, props to my first wife. She kept me... I was at the height of my show business fame, MTV. She kept me out of trouble. I, I did not, I did not participate-

Joe Rogan 4:30 She was a good mommy. (laughs)

Adam Curry 4:31 She was a good mom. (laughs) And she's a good mom to our daughter, you know, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yeah.

Adam Curry 4:34 For sure. (laughs) It was-

Joe Rogan 4:36 Well, you know, you change, they change, you need a different kind of a mom.

Adam Curry 4:39 Uh, things, things change. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:40 (laughs)

Adam Curry 4:40 Things change. Uh, yeah, so then, you know, I, I went through it.

Joe Rogan 4:44 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 4:44 Yeah, it was like, um, uh... And that's also when I stopped smoking, you know, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 4:49 Uh, Maverick called me up. He said, "Hey man, I'm gonna be operating on you in a week. You know, could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth?"

Joe Rogan 4:56 (Laughs)

Adam Curry 4:56 And I've been smoking weed and tobacco since I was 15. And I quit at that moment. I haven't-

Joe Rogan 5:02 Oh.

Adam Curry 5:02 I didn't ever use... I mean, I vape like a, like a crazy horse, but...

Joe Rogan 5:05 Well, that's not good, is it?

Adam Curry 5:07 Well, that's a question. It's-

Joe Rogan 5:08 This is, we, you and I have gone over this, and we will go back to it.

Adam Curry 5:11 Yeah, it's a nicotine-

Joe Rogan 5:12 Yeah.

Adam Curry 5:12 ... uh, uh, delivery device.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Delivery device.

Adam Curry 5:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Right.

Adam Curry 5:13 That's what it is.

Joe Rogan 5:14 We'll get to that.

Adam Curry 5:15 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 5:15 But, so, so just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing? It was like you- the whole area was inflamed?

Adam Curry 5:23 Yes, right by your sinuses.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Uh-huh.

Adam Curry 5:25 And so that, you know, everything's connected, you know. If you hold your nose, you can hear.

Joe Rogan 5:29 Right.

Adam Curry 5:30 You hear differently, so-

Joe Rogan 5:31 Right.

Adam Curry 5:31 ... whatever it was doing, and it literally just a couple days after he extracted the- I mean, it extracted more than that, but after he extracted those teeth, it just came back.

Joe Rogan 5:41 Wow.

Adam Curry 5:41 And I didn't have horrible hearing loss, but it was enough where I was sick of saying, "I'm sorry, darling? What'd you say? I'm sorry."

Joe Rogan 5:47 Right.

Adam Curry 5:47 And at the moment you get to, like, "I didn't hear her. I'll, I'll ask her later," that's when I went, "No, I gotta get hearing aids."

Joe Rogan 5:53 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 5:53 "I don't wanna, I don't want..." And it's one of the biggest reasons men, um...... uh, get depressed is when they can't hear, and they kind of withdraw, and it's, uh, it's a-

Joe Rogan 6:03 Really?

Adam Curry 6:03 Yeah, it's a, oh, it's a real crisis. Yeah. Anyone, you need to go, if you think... Just, just have your ears tested anyway. Why not? I mean, you get your eyes tested, get your ears tested, get your teeth taken care of.

Joe Rogan 6:13 So, if they find out your ears are not good, do they ever check for infections?

Adam Curry 6:17 No. No.

Joe Rogan 6:17 'Cause it seems like now, you should get in the medical book.

Adam Curry 6:20 He... Thank you. We actually, he's been writing a paper on this, for this very reason.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Oh.

Adam Curry 6:25 And it's only because he did the 360 MRI-

Joe Rogan 6:28 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 6:28 ... that he saw it. And he, and he also knew what to look for. It's his expertise, you know? He's, he's... When I met this guy, I was like, he's, you know, he's young. He's, like, in his 30s. I'm like, "So, why did you choose this profession?" He says, "I like operating. I really love doing that stuff." I'm like, "Okay. You sound cool." And it turns out he's a pilot, you know, so-

Joe Rogan 6:46 Hmm.

Adam Curry 6:46 ... we become friends. Um, but yeah. He, he says people have no idea. And so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing. It's just not known. I talked about it on the podcast, and people from all over the world are like, "Really, man? You know, I've been having hearing issues." I said, "Get an MRI. Get a 360 MRI of your head."

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Adam Curry 8:38 Fluoride in the water, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:38 ... which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water, but it... And I, again, like, I'm, I don't wanna take even a political position on this. I just wanna look at this... I wanna look at this from a, a human lens. There is something that people do where even if something is obviously stupid, if it's a part of a system and there's enough air quotes "experts" that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are... You could put in, you could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it and experts that tell you he definitely didn't do it. So, we know this for a fact. But still, people will argue on the side of the experts. And I've seen this about fluoride, and it, it's so mind-boggling. There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in the local water-

Adam Curry 9:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:45 ... and lower IQs.

Adam Curry 9:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:48 And it's a neurotoxin. We know it's bad for you in large doses, and yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read The New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you wanna remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides-

Adam Curry 10:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:07 ... it's done in preventing tooth decay.

Adam Curry 10:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 A- and you just wanna say, "Hey, man, fuck you."

Adam Curry 10:13 Well, so-

Joe Rogan 10:13 "This is stupid."

Adam Curry 10:14 I went to dinner at Mitch's house. I call him Robert.

Joe Rogan 10:16 I'm a little upset. I got a little upset.

Adam Curry 10:17 No, no, it's okay because-

Joe Rogan 10:18 I go crazy.

Adam Curry 10:18 ... because we're sitting down.

Joe Rogan 10:19 (laughs)

Adam Curry 10:20 It's my wife, his wife. You know, he, he has a, one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, you know, or the hangar.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Oh, he's out of touch. (laughs)

Adam Curry 10:28 Exactly. I paid for that.

Joe Rogan 10:31 (laughs)

Adam Curry 10:31 I'm like, "I paid for that hangar." Um, and, and we're sitting down, and we're having a good time. You know, we're talking about stuff. He says, "So, what do you think about fluoride?" I said, "Should not be in the water." He's like, "You're wrong. You know what you..." And this is only a couple years ago, and now he's come back and he said, "Oh, man. This is, I was, this was-"

Joe Rogan 10:47 Did you apologize?

Adam Curry 10:48 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Oh, that's nice.

Adam Curry 10:48 This was drilled into my head, like-

Joe Rogan 10:50 Yeah.

Adam Curry 10:51 But what I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production, and a lot of this, you know, they had this fluoride waste product basically they needed to get rid of. And from what I understand, it was Alcoa. I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals. And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association, and that's how fluoride got into our water, and we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you. I knew it was wrong in, uh, 2000, in 2000, and there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes. It was written by a gol- a guy called Tim Weiner, who used to be New York Times, and it was all about the CIA. And it was a great book because my uncle is in it many times, Donald Gregg. He's still with us. He's 95 or 96, and he was really high up in the CIA. He was, you know, part of OSS back in the day. And in it, it talks about how the, how the agents would go and fluoridate the enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they could... They were docile, and they could pull them out, and they could kind of-

Joe Rogan 11:52 Yeah.

Adam Curry 11:52 ... attack them. And I said, "Uncle Don, is this true?" He says, "Yeah, pretty much how I remember it." I'm like...Well, of course. This... So the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water.

Joe Rogan 12:05 To make people docile. Yeah.

Adam Curry 12:06 Docile, and-

Joe Rogan 12:07 And the, the argument is so dumb because... You know, my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point. Uh, he said, "When you get toothpaste, uh, do you ever see toothpaste that says fluoride free?" Why would they say that and advertise it-

Adam Curry 12:23 (clears throat) Tom's.

Joe Rogan 12:24 ... if fluoride wasn't bad for you? Why would they do that? Like why would that be a selling point?

Adam Curry 12:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:30 If we've always looked for fluoride in toothpaste, my whole life-

Adam Curry 12:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Crest. Oh, fluoride. Got it. You know when you're going through the CVS and you're grabbing stuff-

Adam Curry 12:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:36 ... and throwing it in your bag?

Adam Curry 12:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:37 It's always fluoride. You're always looking for fluoride. That's what kills the fucking germ. I don't want cavities.

Adam Curry 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:42 I don't have to go to the dentist.

Adam Curry 12:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Gimme that fluoride. But they're selling toothpaste without fluoride. Why is that? And the guy who was saying it too, like had this look on his face like, he was like, he was trapped.

Adam Curry 12:53 (laughs) Uh...

Joe Rogan 12:53 He was, he was just trapped, like, "So you don't think fluoride is good for you?" It's like one of those things. Like that's just what he just said. No, just brush your fucking teeth.

Adam Curry 13:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:01 It's really that simple.

Adam Curry 13:02 As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist? Do you remember those?

Joe Rogan 13:06 What are the trays?

Adam Curry 13:07 It was a... And so it would be that, say, "We're gonna do fluoride treatment on you."

Joe Rogan 13:10 Oh yeah, they did that.

Adam Curry 13:11 And it, and it was like, "It's, it's, uh, it's fruity." You know?

Joe Rogan 13:14 Yeah.

Adam Curry 13:14 And this gunk will be dripping back in your throat.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah.

Adam Curry 13:16 You're gagging with this horrible... It's like that's not-

Joe Rogan 13:19 Then you go to school-

Adam Curry 13:19 That's not Hawaiian Punch.

Joe Rogan 13:20 ... and you get a D in English-

Adam Curry 13:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:21 ... because you're fucking stupid.

Adam Curry 13:23 Pretty, pretty much the story of my life, Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:26 (laughs) Yeah, it's, it's so bad. It's really bad for you, and it's not necessary. And we're being co-opted by something and someone. And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jimmy. Didn't it come out of... There was some town in Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally, you know, just happens, like-

Adam Curry 13:45 We have it in the Hill Country. The water is definitely naturally fluoridated. It's in the ground.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah, there's na- there's natural levels of different minerals-

Adam Curry 13:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:51 ... and there's different stuff that... And this one area had a, uh, a fairly high natural level of fluoride, and these people had, like, great oral hygiene. Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, there's like... You gotta look many layers into all this kind of stuff, 'cause they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long and how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water and how many people have, like, built mansions and have fucking-

Adam Curry 14:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:25 ... you know-

Adam Curry 14:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:25 ... Mercedes-Benzs, they're tooling around in 'em because they've been throwing fluoride in the water, and that's-

Adam Curry 14:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:30 That's a deep system to try to untangle after 50, 60 years of doing this.

Adam Curry 14:34 Well, it's the, it's the petrochemical industry. That's where all our medicines come from, and-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 14:38 I was watching the Grammys, and I don't really-

Joe Rogan 14:41 Why? What's wrong with them?

Adam Curry 14:42 I know.

Joe Rogan 14:42 (laughs)

Adam Curry 14:42 Well, I usually watch for the Satan segment. I would say, "Okay, there it is."

Joe Rogan 14:45 (laughs)

Adam Curry 14:45 "There's the Illuminati. There's the-"

Joe Rogan 14:47 There's always one. (laughs)

Adam Curry 14:48 There's the Sa... They didn't have one. They had-

Joe Rogan 14:49 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 14:50 ... beautiful women in nice dresses.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Maybe 'cause Trump is president. They're a little nervous.

Adam Curry 14:53 Oh, oh no, uh, presidents are important for the culture.

Joe Rogan 14:56 It's very important for the Satan people.

Adam Curry 14:58 But the... (laughs) They're in trouble.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah.

Adam Curry 15:00 They're in trouble.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Now they have like a God-fearing-

Adam Curry 15:01 Jesus is making a comeback, man.

Joe Rogan 15:03 Yeah.

Adam Curry 15:03 They're in trouble there.

Joe Rogan 15:04 You gotta hide now. Go back into the basement-

Adam Curry 15:06 And-

Joe Rogan 15:06 ... of Comet Pan- Pizza.

Adam Curry 15:07 It's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:09 (laughs) Place that doesn't have a basement, by the way.

Adam Curry 15:11 We're, we're reliably informed. Um, and I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product, which I'd never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death. I'm like, "What is going on with this?"

Joe Rogan 15:29 (sighs)

Adam Curry 15:29 I'm like, "Ask your doctor." I'm like, "Do I have this? Should I have this? Do I want this? I mean, is this going on with me?" And people are all happy in the commercials. They're like, "Look, my skin looks good, and I'm happy."

Joe Rogan 15:38 Yeah.

Adam Curry 15:38 "And I have a beautiful family." It's almost like we used to, you know, sell cars. Now they're just selling the pharmaceuticals.

Joe Rogan 15:44 Well, that will be an interesting thing if RFK Jr. gets in place. If RFK Jr. gets in place and they stop this-

Adam Curry 15:52 Advertising.

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... advertising on... We are one of two countries on Earth that allows-

Adam Curry 15:57 New Zealand.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Yeah, New Zealand, and New Zealand's far more restrictive than us. We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works. You know? And there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all, like Chevrolet Corvette. Vroom, vroom. Uh, I don't want one of those.

Adam Curry 16:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:11 You know, it's okay.

Adam Curry 16:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:11 It's fine. But when it can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology-

Adam Curry 16:15 Anal leakage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:16 Yeah, and you, you're just fucked up in the head and you're depressed-

Adam Curry 16:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:19 ... and like you don't know why but now your zits are gone. Like, hey.

Adam Curry 16:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:22 Slow down.

Adam Curry 16:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:23 That was not in that commercial with the, the lady-

Adam Curry 16:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 ... dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic.

Adam Curry 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:30 And they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together.

Adam Curry 16:33 It's good. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:33 That looked like fun. Like what, where's that part?

Adam Curry 16:36 Yeah. Well, of course, you know, this was... They tried, they've all tried all kinds of things to stop this and, you know, First Amendment comes up, although we have stopped, uh, tobacco advertisements and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years. Um, but what happened with television is all the money, I mean, really 60%, 70%, maybe 80% of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies. That's why there's also no reporting. Like we're not gonna bite the hand that feeds us. We can't-

Joe Rogan 17:04 That's the real problem.

Adam Curry 17:05 That's, that's it right there.

Joe Rogan 17:06 That's the real problem. The real problem is that these news organizations are not independent.

Adam Curry 17:10 Not just news, not just news. Everything.

Joe Rogan 17:11 Right. Everything.

Adam Curry 17:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:12 They're not independent. Like even television shows. Like could you imagine if, let's say, a network has a prominent news organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for, you know-... people that believe them.

Adam Curry 17:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:31 And they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies, but then they also have a crime show-

Adam Curry 17:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 ... on. And this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people, and they hide the data, and then they arrest him at the end of the- the end of the show. Like, no fucking way that-

Adam Curry 17:49 That's not getting made. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:51 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Adam Curry 17:51 No green light for you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:53 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Narrator 17:53 That's not gonna happen.

Adam Curry 17:55 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Narrator 17:55 No.

Joe Rogan 17:55 No, no, no. You turn- gotta turn that guy into a meth dealer. That's a meth dealer now. Let's just do a couple rewrites, simple rewrites-

Adam Curry 18:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:01 ... to the script.

Adam Curry 18:01 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Yeah, this is a bad guy from, um, uh, Guatemala.

Adam Curry 18:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:05 Let's- l- come- let's-

Narrator 18:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:07 He's like fucking... It's definitely not from here.

Adam Curry 18:09 No, no.

Joe Rogan 18:09 He's definitely not from Moderna, and they definitely aren't working in conjunction with the government to develop this thing-

Narrator 18:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:15 ... and the government's profiting off of it. That's not real.

Adam Curry 18:17 Well, we've, I mean, I say that we're in the season of reveal. I've been saying this for about a year now becau- and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to underst- I haven't seen your- your-

Joe Rogan 18:29 Yeah, Mike Benz-

Adam Curry 18:29 ... talk with Mike Benz, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:29 ... dropped some fucking seeds yesterday. If we're- we're-

Adam Curry 18:32 Because it's true. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:32 ... in the season of flowers, it's- it's- he's blooming today, 'cause-

Adam Curry 18:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 ... he was so nervous yesterday. Jamie was talking about it before, like he was making all these tweets like they were gonna kill him.

Adam Curry 18:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 18:42 Probably, yeah. It's probably-

Adam Curry 18:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:44 ... been discussed.

Adam Curry 18:44 Hmm. Well, I- I think it's way too far beyond. And I- I think, you know, I look at, um, Levita Beaver I call her. Who- who's the- the new press secretary? She's 27 years old.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Oh, yeah. She's good though.

Adam Curry 18:56 She's fantastic. She's younger than my-

Joe Rogan 18:57 I don't think you should-

Adam Curry 18:58 ... than my two daughters.

Joe Rogan 18:58 ... use an- it's a gr- a- a gal. I don't think you should say Levita Beaver. Call her-

Adam Curry 19:01 I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 19:02 ... Levita Beaver. (laughs)

Adam Curry 19:02 I'm sorry. That's just-

Joe Rogan 19:04 (laughs)

Adam Curry 19:04 ... just, that's how I remember her last name. All right, Caroline Levit. I think it's Levit.

Joe Rogan 19:08 (laughs)

Adam Curry 19:08 Thanks, Joe. Thanks. Thank you. So she- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:12 Because we're old enough to remember when beaver-

Adam Curry 19:14 We- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:14 ... was a vagina. Most kids are like, "I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about."

Adam Curry 19:17 What? Levita Beaver? What are you talking about?

Joe Rogan 19:19 What a dumb name for a vagina, a beaver. 'Cause dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks. It's just dick is the worst one. Like, "Ah, your dick. Put your dick away, you fucking weirdo."

Adam Curry 19:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:29 You know what I mean? It was like, just- but beaver-

Adam Curry 19:31 Well, we only had pecker.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yeah.

Adam Curry 19:33 You know, it was like, it- you know-

Joe Rogan 19:33 But pecker's kinda cute.

Adam Curry 19:35 Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's just a pecker.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Just a pecker.

Adam Curry 19:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yeah. There's no like real bad names for dick other than dick.

Adam Curry 19:41 But she comes out, and she does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money. But now- and I- I think our president is very smart, becau- he's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about... You know, 'cause it's not ideological that USAID, which is not US Aid. This is like one of these-

Joe Rogan 20:01 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 20:02 ... one of these psyops right up top, like-

Joe Rogan 20:03 Right.

Adam Curry 20:04 ... you know, Federal Express is not owned by the government. Federal Reserve is not owned by the government.

Joe Rogan 20:08 Right.

Adam Curry 20:08 USAID is the Agency for International Development, not Aid. And we see on television, there goes another pallet onto the C-130. Aid, US Aid-

Joe Rogan 20:18 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 20:18 ... from the American people.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Oh, we're being nice.

Adam Curry 20:20 Yeah, we're being s- we're being nice to people.

Joe Rogan 20:22 We should be nice. We're the nice people of the world.

Adam Curry 20:24 But, um, w- what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these- these dance parties and things. If you look at- I'm looking at these countries like these are countries where we wanna keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents.

Joe Rogan 20:38 Yes.

Adam Curry 20:38 And the way to garner support is to... And I really love how they added the Q. That just became so clear to me all of a sudden. If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts, these are people who feel that they've been marginalized. Then you add a Q, like, "Wait a minute, I can be queer. I'm different. I'm odd." You bring more people in. Then you can bring-

Joe Rogan 20:58 Or you can-

Adam Curry 20:58 ... the anarchists in.

Joe Rogan 20:59 You can get A. They have the A's in now.

Adam Curry 21:01 Oh, yeah. The A's, I's-

Joe Rogan 21:02 Which is so crazy.

Adam Curry 21:03 ... e- everything.

Joe Rogan 21:04 But the A's don't even have a dog in the fight.

Adam Curry 21:06 But that's the point. You want them to come to the party.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Everybody. Yes.

Adam Curry 21:08 Come to the party.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Right.

Adam Curry 21:09 You're allowed to the party. And then you-

Joe Rogan 21:10 That's why it's so long now.

Adam Curry 21:11 And I saw this, you know, AFD in Germany. You know, this is the- the extreme right party, and they wanted, um, you know, to slow or remove immigration. And, um, so now th- there was a protest, uh, against the AFD, uh, you know, something, because they're getting ready to vote now. And there's 100,000 people there. I'm like, "Wow, are there so..." I thought, 'cause I know people in Germany. I have friends in Germany. They really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff, so where are these people coming from? And in the news report, right up front, there's a dude in a blonde wig with eye shadow saying, "We just wanna get along. We just want- can't we just be diverse?" And like, that's the psyop.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Yes.

Adam Curry 21:50 He- he's talking about himself. So, he wants to feel included, which, by the way, in America, you can do whatever you want, call yourself whatever you want. People really don't have an issue with that. But they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world. And of course, it's sparked something here in the States. If you look, the Democrat Party, they're s- they're gonna die on this hill. They're still like, "Oh no, LGBTQ. They're taking away our rights." Because they know they can mobilize people to do that. And then you can throw in Palestine and all kinds of people who join this group.

Joe Rogan 22:25 Did you see the city council thing in Worcester, Massachusetts yesterday that's gone viral today?

Adam Curry 22:30 No, which one is that?

Joe Rogan 22:30 Jamie, did you see it?

Narrator 22:32 I have- I- I'm seeing it right now on Twitter.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry 22:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Yeah, yeah. Pull this bitch up. (laughs)

Adam Curry 22:35 (laughs)

Narrator 22:36 On the-

Joe Rogan 22:36 'Cause it's-

Adam Curry 22:36 I haven't seen it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:37 ... there's a- there's a compilation of these people like absolutely freaking out. The best one's the compilation, if you can find the compilation. But it's all these LBGT people show up at this city council meeting to say there's like a trans genocide. It's one of those, dude. "We're gonna round up in concentration camps." Yeah.

Adam Curry 22:54 Yeah, five minutes long. I'll play the beginning.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Yeah, just give me- start from the beginning. Give me- g-

Narrator 22:58 Can you wrap up, please?

22:59 Yes, I can. If you say that you're afraid of Trump and that's why you don't want city to be- the city to be a space- safe space for trans people, you better prepare for trans people to make this a very unsafe space.

Adam Curry 23:13 Oh, brother.

Narrator 23:14 I'm shaking right now. I don't want to be here.

Adam Curry 23:17 Can you wrap up, please?

Narrator 23:20 I'm sorry, am I taking too long pleading for my life?

Joe Rogan 23:22 (laughs)

Narrator 23:23 You remembered how many children I have and how many- and that two of them are trans.

Adam Curry 23:27 There it is.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Yeah.

Narrator 23:28 I speak as both the B and the T in the LGBT.

Joe Rogan 23:33 He's both. (laughs)

Narrator 23:34 I'm multiply disabled. I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, which is a connective tissue disorder that causes me immense physical pain. I, um, I'm on the autism spectrum, and I have narcolepsy, and I couldn't drive myself here, so I had to hide from my driver that I was in drag, which is not an easy thing to do in drag. I do not want to be here.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Whoa.

Narrator 23:57 It's my day off. I do not want to be in your DMs. I do not want to be in your email inboxes. I do not want my creativity writing diss tracks like Kendrick. I don't want to spend an hour applying glitter on my face so that you will hear and see me.

Joe Rogan 24:15 What? (laughs)

Narrator 24:16 I want you to listen to me.

Joe Rogan 24:18 (laughs)

Narrator 24:18 Let us remember that the n- You can go on.

Joe Rogan 24:20 No, that's enough. So it's like, (laughs) you made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit, because everyone knows when you go to court-

Adam Curry 24:26 I-

Joe Rogan 24:26 ... you have to have glitter up in your face.

Adam Curry 24:27 These people need, these people need hugs, they need love.

Joe Rogan 24:30 They need love. They need love.

Adam Curry 24:30 I pray for them.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Yeah.

Adam Curry 24:32 The biggest way to psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways. Old people, puppies, and children.

Joe Rogan 24:40 Mmm.

Adam Curry 24:40 And the whol- and I followed this. It started around 2012, not coincidental, when, you know about Smith-Mundt, the Smith-Mundt Act?

Joe Rogan 24:47 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 24:47 So that's, you know, it was a law that was put in since the Church Commission, you can't propagandize the American people. Uh, Defense Department and others went to the government and said, "Well, you know, like, we're on the internet now. We might accidentally, you know, f- push some propaganda on people." It started with bullying in schools. I know 'cause John Dvorak and I, we followed it on No Agenda. Started with bullying, then it was, um, we needed anti-bullying laws. And we're literally going, like, "What happened to sticks and stones will break my bones or punch the bully in his nose?" No, no, no. Then the teachers, and then we got hate speech laws. Not actually laws, but, you know, hate speech punishments. And this kept building up until you guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatrics Society, al- all of these different, um, trade groups that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Right.

Adam Curry 25:41 And that's just, that is a horrible thing that they've done. Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up and go, "What have I done? What have I done?"

Joe Rogan 25:51 Well, there was, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem, is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children, and they, they cannot face-

Adam Curry 26:00 They can't.

Joe Rogan 26:00 ... the reality-

Adam Curry 26:01 No.

Joe Rogan 26:01 ... of what they've done.

Adam Curry 26:02 I know.

Joe Rogan 26:02 And so they're gonna dig their heels in forever-

Adam Curry 26:04 Mm-hmm, and vote Democrat.

Joe Rogan 26:06 ... and they're gonna talk about gender-affirming care and yeah.

Adam Curry 26:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:08 But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people in the general population.

Adam Curry 26:13 Thank God.

Joe Rogan 26:13 And, thank God, but they're, they're overrepresented in the fact that they make it their whole life.

Adam Curry 26:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:18 And so they, they're, they're very loud and very vocal, and then they become a political beach ball. You know, I talk about beach balls at the concert.

Adam Curry 26:23 I heard you talk about that with Bridget.

Joe Rogan 26:25 That's what it is. It's-

Adam Curry 26:26 Yeah, totally. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:26 ... the political beach balls at a concert. They chuck 'em up in the air so we always have something to fight about, so we're not paying attention to, like, th- the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's, like, really important. And this is, uh, just a, uh, a part of this inter-tangled web of psyops that's been running our, our culture. I mean, I would say our government, but it's, it's everything, right?

Adam Curry 26:50 Mm-hmm, culture, yes.

Joe Rogan 26:50 So it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules, and m- the more law and the more rules, the better, 'cause the more likely you're gonna break a few of them-

Adam Curry 27:01 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 ... and then you're gonna shut the fuck up.

Adam Curry 27:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:03 And they, they've got these fucking things everywhere, and it's just allowing them to run this mafia business. And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable, educated people that have Stockholm syndrome.

Adam Curry 27:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 Like, they, they don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama was a part of this.

Adam Curry 27:24 Mm-hmm, big part.

Joe Rogan 27:25 And that these, all these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it. And fortunately today, we have the convenient access to YouTube instantaneously where you can watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things.

Adam Curry 27:43 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA.

Adam Curry 27:47 About deportations.

Joe Rogan 27:49 Yes.

Adam Curry 27:49 Yep, yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yes. And that if you stay, you have to pay a stiff fine.

Adam Curry 27:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:55 I mean, the whole thing is it's cyclical, right? Like, this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship. It's, it's not real. It's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racist who want to bring back, back the Confederate flag.

Adam Curry 28:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 That's not what's going on.

Adam Curry 28:14 No.

Joe Rogan 28:14 There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and kindness and also sternness and rule of law, and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street. And hey, maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the in- prison industrial complex-

Adam Curry 28:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:36 ... when there's no rehabilitation, like, uh, no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies-

Adam Curry 28:43 It's, it's a mess. It's a mess.

Joe Rogan 28:44 It can be done. It could be done, and it probably could be done with psycholo- psy- uh, with psychedelic drugs. They-

Adam Curry 28:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:50 ... they probably can do some things with people, especially non-violent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, "Why have I been stealing from people my whole life?" Like, "What the fuck is wrong with me that I..." i- i- uh, unless they're a, a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy. There's, there's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life. And there's, there's ways to do it, and you know, Rick Perry has been really r- uh, like, brave in this case because, you know, he's a former Republican governor of Texas and-

Adam Curry 29:22 That's right.

Joe Rogan 29:23 ... and now he's advocating for ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans.

Adam Curry 29:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:27 For guys who come over, they've seen the most horrific shit, their brain is in a shambles, and they want to do something, and they, they, they have no h- no help in these-... pills that just dull their mind and m- w- make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them. And they d- they wanna fuckin' end their life. And they can go and get therapy that, it cures 80% of them with one dose, and it's like 95% with two doses. It's fucking nuts, man. And we've been hiding this-

Adam Curry 30:01 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 30:02 ... because, because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents. It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government. So they just said, "Let's just make all these things that these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal." Not only just... Schedule I, like with no medical use whatsoever, things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years. And it's all the same shit. It's all psyops.

Adam Curry 30:40 Mm-hmm.

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Adam Curry 32:07 Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course, during Kennedy, is we realized that television was a big force. Television and radio-

Joe Rogan 32:17 Oh, yeah. They got that handsome guy.

Adam Curry 32:18 ... and, and they got ha- w- he... And if you listen to some of the debates, like, uh, um, you know-

Joe Rogan 32:24 (sniffs)

Adam Curry 32:24 ... it s- would sound on the radio like Nixon did better. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing (clears throat) how this worked between radio and television, but then newspapers, uh, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories. I mean, you look at CNN, you still see ex, ex-CIA guy shows up. Uh, a little stor-... When I saw you sitting at the inauguration, and I think I texted you, I'm like, "Dude, I can't believe it. I see you sitting there." You were texting me American flag emojis-

Joe Rogan 32:51 (laughs)

Adam Curry 32:51 ... and stuff, like, and then you w- you and, uh, and Trump, I'm like, "Oh, look at him, he's in a tuxedo." And I thought... (stutters) So my li-... In 1983, um, I was still a teenager and, um, I, I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country, the airwaves were controlled by the government. It was horrible st-... It was almost like Russia. Your phone was a gray phone and that was your phone. You couldn't get a different phone. You could... It was illegal to unplug it from the wall. And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam and we were playing-

Joe Rogan 33:24 Right. And klis-... You were Christian Slater.

Adam Curry 33:27 I- in a way. In a way.

Joe Rogan 33:28 You remember that movie? (laughs)

Adam Curry 33:29 In, in a w-... Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was that cal-... What was that movie called? Uh...

Joe Rogan 33:33 (sighs) I don't remem-

Adam Curry 33:33 Pire-... Uh, maybe it was called Pirate Radio?

Joe Rogan 33:35 But it was crazy. They were trying to arrest him. Remember?

Adam Curry 33:37 Well, so we all got arrested several times. And we were playing 12-inch imports from your Chicago warehouse.

Joe Rogan 33:43 You got arrested several times-

Adam Curry 33:44 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 ... for doing pirate radio?

Adam Curry 33:45 Oh, oh, they would always get... They would always come and arrest us.

Joe Rogan 33:47 How did they find you?

Adam Curry 33:48 We, we literally had the station name on the door.

Joe Rogan 33:50 (laughs)

Adam Curry 33:51 People would come around. We'd be smoking weed or hanging out. You know, we weren't making any money. We were basically- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:57 (laughs)

Adam Curry 33:57 ... paying to do it. You know, and we had this huge antenna on the roof.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV? Did they get nervous about that? Like, did they have to do-

Adam Curry 34:04 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:04 ... a background check? Say, "This guy's got a record."

Adam Curry 34:06 No. I'd... I'll... And remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute. Um, so no. Uh, but this is 1983 and I, and I felt it was so... First, I was a gawky, awkward kid. I got tics, you know, I got the wrong hair, every-... I got the wrong moped, everything's wrong. But on the radio, people are like, "Wow." And I was doing it in English. You can do that in Amsterdam. People are like, "Wow, it's so cool you got that Black guy on your station." I'm like, "I'm Black? Oh, cool." So I was-

Joe Rogan 34:31 (laughs)

Adam Curry 34:31 ... I was John Holden, the 23-year-old Black guy who drives a Harley. But the point was, it was liberating. I could speak my mind and, you know-

Joe Rogan 34:38 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 34:38 ... everything felt so stifling. Now we go forward 1993 and I'm on MTV, I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station. And, uh, I'm also on the internet. You know, I'd set up mtv.com. It was very, very s-... We had m- dial-up modems at the time. And it was so restrictive. You can't... They let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer. Like, "Uh, nah, we gotta burn that segment. You said something bad about Richard Marx. Oh, you said something that was off-color about Madonna. We can't do that." The radio was the same. It was, you know, like, "Read the liner card," you know, and then always end with Z100. And there was a, a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, "Adam, I see what you're doing with mtv.com on the web. That's cool. I'm gonna send you a computer." So he sends me this big Sun SPARC workstation and he said-

Joe Rogan 35:30 What year?

Adam Curry 35:31 ... '93.

Joe Rogan 35:32 So, this is pre-Windows 95? So, this is-

Adam Curry 35:34 Yeah, it's pre- yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 35:35 That's Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that?

Adam Curry 35:37 Well this was S- oh, Solaris OS. It's, it's Unix, basically.

Joe Rogan 35:41 So, it wasn't Windows back then, right? Like, what came before Windows 95?

Adam Curry 35:44 Well, no, it... I had, I had a Mac. No, I had a, an early Apple-

Joe Rogan 35:47 3.1?

Adam Curry 35:47 Apple II.

Joe Rogan 35:47 3.1, that's what it was, right?

Adam Curry 35:48 Yeah, yeah. It was... Yeah, 3.1 and a Apple II. I was more a Apple guy at the time. And, and he's... And so I hooked it up to my 56K modem. (imitates dial-up modem) Dial in, and he says-

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah. (imitates dial-up modem)

Adam Curry 35:57 ... "Watch this." And he says wa- and I'm on the phone with him. He says, "Watch this." And up on my screen pops a little player and it's, and he's streaming in PC... We didn't have MP3s back then. PCM, pulse code modulation. Nine Inch Nails. I'm like, "This is broadcasting. I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting, because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems." And so, 2003, now we're 10 years later, um, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs, and I see my first iPod and it's like snap, crackle, pop. "Hold on a second. This is amazing. We can combine..." This is a radio. This isn't an... And this is not, not a music device. It's radio. So, I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program onto... You know, as a... So, the show was an album, and then each track was an episode number. And then I immediately start doing a show. I start, you know... What I do is just try to get people involved. That's how Daily Source Code started, because I was trying to get software developers in. And then, two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me, uh, about putting this into, into the iPod and making it official. Making a podcasting thing in iTunes. And I'm like, "This is so perfect, because now you have this RSS feed, which you control." No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed, and you can, anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show. And then, 20 years later,

Adam Curry 37:29 I see the, the President of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for thr- by the way, props for you sticking to your guns. I love that you did that. "No, it's gotta be here." No restrictions on time.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Well, he didn't impose any.

Adam Curry 37:47 But-

Joe Rogan 37:47 He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it.

Adam Curry 37:50 But he, he understands it. But at that moment, then I see you sitting there. I'm like, "We just broke the elite messaging machine. Phase one, complete."

Joe Rogan 37:59 All because of you, dog. (laughs)

Adam Curry 38:00 No, no. You dog, you dog, man.

Joe Rogan 38:03 Hello, man. You did this. (laughs)

Adam Curry 38:03 Glory to God, I, I, I think I was just used.

Joe Rogan 38:06 Oh, but remember what, though? I always give you your props.

Adam Curry 38:07 I was just used. I think-

Joe Rogan 38:08 You, you were the first, too.

Adam Curry 38:08 I was just a vessel. It, it makes sense to me now.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Well, they... I'm just a vessel too. I think-

Adam Curry 38:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:13 ... that's the case with all of it, you know?

Adam Curry 38:14 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 38:15 I say that to the guys at my comedy club, you know. Like, well, they're always so thankful that I built this comedy club. I'm like, "I think this thing built itself." I think it was just... I was a thing that it did through me. It caught me because it knew that, you know, I was capable of doing it-

Adam Curry 38:31 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:31 ... and, and impulsive enough, and, and brash enough to like, say, "Fuck it. Let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens."

Adam Curry 38:38 You were given gifts, and you s-

Joe Rogan 38:39 I was given gifts.

Adam Curry 38:40 And you stuck with your gifts. And, and I know you're a very generous guy. I know you help a lot of people with all... Not monetary, necessarily, but just helping them, getting them on their feet. You know, like, even, you know, Parker. I'm like, "Can I bring this kid? He's a big fan." You're like, "Absolutely, bring him in." You're, you're a gracious guy. And so when you get whatever word it is to build a comedy club, you did.

Joe Rogan 39:01 I think you have to do that. I think that's the un- the universe is testing you. And if you, if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like, what's the right thing to do? Like, what's the thing... What is the greedy, impulsive thing to do? What is, like, the miserly thing to... "Save it all. It's my money. Save it all." You know, that's the, the... You know, like, "I'm out."

Adam Curry 39:18 That usually doesn't, usually doesn't end well for those people.

Joe Rogan 39:21 No, it's just, it's bad for you too, because it's... I always talk about this in terms of careers. Like, and, and I really try to put this in young comics' minds. There's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you, and you'll, you'll be angry at them. It is a bitter, pathetic, jealous, normal instinct that people have.

Adam Curry 39:41 It's the enemy, the enemy talking to you.

Joe Rogan 39:43 It's just, you have to recognize what that is.

Adam Curry 39:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:46 What that is, is you have a desire to be doing the same thing. This person is doing this thing. They are in the movie, they are on the TV show, they are headlining at the club. And you feel bad because it's not you, so you decide that they are bad. And so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you, and you don't do all the logical, objective reasoning that allows you to go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't do anything wrong. It's just me." And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist, because they do understand that people are mad at them now, so then they're like, "Fuck those people."

Adam Curry 40:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:22 "Those people are fucking losers."

Adam Curry 40:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:24 And it's bad for everybody. It's bad for everybody. The correct way to do it is to go, "Wow, look at what this person has accomplished. That's fucking amazing. That's inspiring. I wanna do something like that with my life."

Adam Curry 40:38 Which is what America used to be. People would come to am-

Joe Rogan 40:41 I think it still is.

Adam Curry 40:42 Yeah, thank you.

Joe Rogan 40:42 I think it is, I think it is.

Adam Curry 40:42 It was... It's been covered up. It's been papered over by media, basically. That's why I'm so happy that we, we've broken through that elite messaging system. Um, you know, the way I was raised is, in America, you can look at the guy with the Rolls-Royce or the Cadillac or whatever and go, "I want that, and you can be that."

Joe Rogan 41:01 Yes.

Adam Curry 41:01 And we've, we've kind of devolved into a, you know... It's international now, into a, a victim mentality. Um, it... There's good and evil. I mean-

Joe Rogan 41:09 Well, it's just a ploy. It's again the same thing as fluoride in the water. It's a fucking PSYOP. It's a ploy, and it's a way to keep us... Instead of empowering people to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration. That's what they are. They're fuel for you.

Adam Curry 41:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:27 You can use them. Every, whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar's doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration. That's a fuel.

Adam Curry 41:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:38 And you can use it correctly.

Adam Curry 41:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:40 You could... Or you can fuck your whole life up by p- paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way.... this is part of the problem with kids and social media.

Adam Curry 41:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:51 Because kids-

Adam Curry 41:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:52 ... are supposed to see-

Adam Curry 41:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:53 ... like, "Oh, look at Bobby. He's nice to everybody, and everybody likes Bobby. Be like Bobby." Like, "Look at Mark, he's fucking awesome at the guitar, and everybody wants to go see him play."

Adam Curry 42:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:04 "I want someone to come see me do something. I gotta... I wish I was good at something as Mark is at guitar." And that's what supposed to, like, raise us all up.

Adam Curry 42:13 But instead, we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody in a funny way-

Joe Rogan 42:19 Exactly.

Adam Curry 42:19 ... in a, in a video.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Yeah.

Adam Curry 42:21 This is a big part of the problem.

Joe Rogan 42:23 But sometimes funny way blasting is important too, 'cause that's my line of work. Like, (laughs) you gotta talk shit.

Adam Curry 42:28 You're-

Joe Rogan 42:29 Talking shit is important.

Adam Curry 42:29 You're a professional, Joe. You're a professional.

Joe Rogan 42:31 Yeah, but how do you become a professional? You start off as an amateur.

Adam Curry 42:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 You start off talking shit.

Adam Curry 42:35 But we can't, we can't, we can't all be a comedian or a comic. We just can't.

Joe Rogan 42:38 Ah, there are a lot more can than you think.

Adam Curry 42:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:40 I think a lot more... There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination, that just don't, don't get that spark, which is also one of the things we're trying to do with The Club, which is also why we have two nights of open mic nights.

Adam Curry 42:50 Oh, that's cool.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Yeah.

Adam Curry 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:50 We wanna make it accessible. We wanna make... This is like a place where you... There's, there's a real path. You can work on your act, and you're gonna see guys, like, on a daily basis, guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis and-

Adam Curry 43:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:03 ... you know, they're... There's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast, they're like the best of the best in the world.

Adam Curry 43:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:08 And they're coming to The Club.

Adam Curry 43:08 Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy.

Joe Rogan 43:11 It is.

Adam Curry 43:11 It's amazing what's taking place.

Joe Rogan 43:13 It's amazing.

Adam Curry 43:13 It really is.

Joe Rogan 43:13 It's amazing. And again, I think this was... I think it built itself. I think I just had to do it.

Adam Curry 43:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:19 I was like, uh, I was-

Adam Curry 43:19 I just gotta tell you. No, no, no. God loves you, Joe. He is at work in you. He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time. There's no doubt in my mind.

Joe Rogan 43:29 Well, whatever it is, I'm listening.

Adam Curry 43:30 You'll accept it.

Joe Rogan 43:31 I ac- I accept it-

Adam Curry 43:32 Yeah, that's it.

Joe Rogan 43:32 ... and I listen.

Adam Curry 43:32 That's it. Listen.

Joe Rogan 43:33 And I, and I go with it.

Adam Curry 43:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:34 But I think it all... Like, too many things had to happen. Like, if you wanna believe in fate, if you really wanna believe in fate, I should believe in fate. 'Cause especially with, like, this move here, too many things had to happen in line. It had to be the pandemic, and it had to be me with young kids, who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that LA was going, and then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns.

Adam Curry 43:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:58 And then I had to come to Texas and go, "Oh, oh, there's other ways that people live." And I'd known you for a long time-

Adam Curry 44:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 ... and you lived here.

Adam Curry 44:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:05 And you spoke very highly. And then my good friend, Gary, Gary Clark Jr., he came here, uh, like before the pandemic, and I remember talking to him on the phone, I'm like, "Why did you move back to Texas?" He's like, "Man, I just cannot fuck with those people in LA."

Adam Curry 44:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:20 And Gary's like the realest dude I know. It's like one of the realest. Like, he doesn't give a fuck about fame, about... That guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can. And that guy just locks himself up in a studio. He's got a studio on his house, at his house.

Adam Curry 44:35 Yeah, that's what you want. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day, and is just... That guy only gives a fuck about the art. Like, he's about the craft. And like so all the bullshit that came along with living in Hollywood, like he would just come hang out at The Comedy Store all the time.

Adam Curry 44:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:49 That was just... Because it was like, "Oh, you guys are real." Like, "I can hang with you." We'd just be cracking up and hanging. So when he came out here, I was like, "Fuck." And then Ron White came out here, I'm like, "Goddamn it."

Adam Curry 44:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:59 And then he was, "Oh, fucking love it. It's, it's, fucking airport's a breeze."

Adam Curry 45:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:04 "No traffic. Everyone's nice. It's the middle of the country." Oh, fuck.

Adam Curry 45:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:08 And then the pandemic happened, and it just-

Adam Curry 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 ... it was like it all pulled me to the spot. And then it had to be the Spotify thing, and then it had to be The Comedy Store shutting down for a year.

Adam Curry 45:18 Yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 45:18 And then it had to be all The Comedy Store employees that I loved were all unemployed. And so then it was like, "Okay, let's fucking do this."

Adam Curry 45:25 Exactly what I'm seeing. I'm seeing that with every... That's why I started in 1983. I'm like, "I see where the path was."

Joe Rogan 45:30 Yeah, you see the path.

Adam Curry 45:30 I've always been doing, been always been doing this stuff.

Joe Rogan 45:33 And that's the thing about-

Adam Curry 45:34 And it makes so much sense.

Joe Rogan 45:34 ... podcasting to me too. It's, it was oddly compelling. Like, it didn't make any sense. I was making no money and I was busy.

Adam Curry 45:42 It was costing you money-

Joe Rogan 45:43 Yeah.

Adam Curry 45:43 ... probably, and bandwidth and stuff.

Joe Rogan 45:44 It was definitely costing me some money.

Adam Curry 45:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:46 And I had young kids, and it was just like, "Why am I, why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money?"

Adam Curry 45:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Because especially back then, (sniffs) it was like I, I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore, so I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television, so I had to tour a lot. So I was doing standup, and I was doing, like, way too many dates with the UFC. The UFC, although I love it to death, it's w- I mean, that's the only job-job I still have.

Adam Curry 46:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:12 I still work for somebody.

Adam Curry 46:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:14 That's 'cause I've been there for so long, but it was like 22 dates a year. It's like, "Fuck."

Adam Curry 46:17 Did they send you a W9?

Joe Rogan 46:19 Um, I don't know.

Adam Curry 46:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:19 I think I'm an independent contractor. What's a W9? How does that work?

Adam Curry 46:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:23 I have accountants.

Adam Curry 46:24 (laughs) I was just messing with you.

Joe Rogan 46:26 I'm like Joe Walsh, I have accountants pay for it all.

Adam Curry 46:28 Yes, right, I got a Maserati guys, two, 200...

Joe Rogan 46:31 185.

Adam Curry 46:32 180...

Joe Rogan 46:32 I lost my license, now I don't drive.

Adam Curry 46:34 Now I can't drive. Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 46:34 I have a limo ride in the back, lock all the doors in case I'm attacked.

Adam Curry 46:38 Attacked. Yeah. Great song.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Life's been good to me so far.

Adam Curry 46:40 So far.

Joe Rogan 46:41 Yeah.

Adam Curry 46:41 That's right, it's a great song.

Joe Rogan 46:41 I, I use that song all the time. Everybody's so different, I haven't changed.

Adam Curry 46:44 You know he's a ham radio guy, Joe Walsh?

Joe Rogan 46:46 Is he really?

Adam Curry 46:47 He takes his rig out on the... He doesn't go on the road that much anymore. When he's out on the road, he has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like... You know, I'm a, I've been a ham for a long time, and that's like the... If you have a, a, we call it a QSL, uh, QSO, that's a, that's ham code for a conversation.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Oh, okay.

Adam Curry 47:03 With Joe Walsh, oh man, there it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:05 Look at that.

Adam Curry 47:06 Look at him.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Joe Walsh is the fucking man, dude.

Adam Curry 47:09 He's awesome.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Life in the Fast Lane.

Adam Curry 47:10 That's right.

Joe Rogan 47:10 That's gonna change The Eagles. The Eagles on th- their way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day.

Adam Curry 47:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:16 And then all of a sudden, Joe Walsh comes along.

Adam Curry 47:18 Joe Walsh comes in, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:18 And now you got Life in the Fast Lane.

Adam Curry 47:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Give me, give me that riff. Give me the beginning of Life in the Fast Lane.

Adam Curry 47:24 (sings)

Joe Rogan 47:25 Yeah. Joe Walsh. (sings)

Adam Curry 47:26 It was just...

Joe Rogan 47:27 It was wild rock and roll-

Adam Curry 47:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:29 ... guitar-

Adam Curry 47:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:30 ... attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting. Give me it, give me this, Jamie. Give it to me.

Adam Curry 47:38 Let's see how accurate I was. (sings)

Joe Rogan 47:42 But it was... There was a, there's a v-, you know, guitar, like I was talking about Gary, like, hear it. Oh, here we go.

Adam Curry 47:48 Close, close.Boom, bam, bam. Oh. All right, that's all we can do.

Joe Rogan 47:53 That's all?

Adam Curry 47:53 We are, we got in trouble. We get in trouble. We get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Is that already gonna get us in trouble?

Adam Curry 47:57 Probably. Probably.

Joe Rogan 47:58 All right, close. Fucking nonsense. I don't know.

Adam Curry 47:59 We're screwed. Because here we have all these pod... You know, there's four and a half million podcasts. Really only 400,000 update regularly, so it's not even that much. And that's global. Um, they've- (music) We-

Joe Rogan 48:11 Oh, how dare you. (laughs)

Adam Curry 48:14 We- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:14 You're teasing me.

Adam Curry 48:15 So we can't play music in podcasts because of all these different entities that own it. And so, you know, if you s- if you perform something on the radio or in a livestream, that's a performance right, which, you know, the club plays for that too, if you're playing your music. So that's ASCAP, BMI. Then you have the publishing right. Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it, so that's another group over here. So you have the publishers, then the record companies, you have all the... And they, they just could never agree and they've locked themselves in so tight that the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts. They've just ha- They've, they've painted themselves into a corner and it's so... And we all know now that most artists, you know, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify and you get a, you know, a penny after, after a couple of years, and then-

Joe Rogan 49:08 Did you see what Snoop Dogg, when he, he was going over this?

Adam Curry 49:11 Oh, he's-

Joe Rogan 49:11 You ever seen that video?

Adam Curry 49:11 It's horren- No, I'm, I'm sure it's, it's horrendous. He got 1,000 bucks.

Joe Rogan 49:14 He had thousands bucks. Billions-

Adam Curry 49:15 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:16 ... of streams-

Adam Curry 49:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:17 ... and he got a check for 45 grand.

Adam Curry 49:18 Yeah. And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money. I mean, it's, it's very odd.

Joe Rogan 49:21 But isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music? Isn't that the whole deal?

Adam Curry 49:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Like if you own your music, it's diff-

Adam Curry 49:26 If you're the publisher.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Right.

Adam Curry 49:27 And, and you... You know, this... I don't want to get too deep into, to Spotify and all that, but people are starting to move away from that and what I call the value-for-value model, where, uh... And we actually built this with Podcasting 2.0, where you can se- you can send a boost, like I wanna send some money to this person straight from the app.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 49:45 So you can play it, you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the, to the license, they own all their stuff. You can send them money. Uh, we just did Suzanne Santo. We had a, uh... I invited you to that.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Yeah, I couldn't make it-

Adam Curry 49:57 Nah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 ... unfortunately.

Adam Curry 49:59 All I had to say is, "I invited Joe." That was all-

Joe Rogan 50:01 (laughs)

Adam Curry 50:01 ... I needed to say. Um, and, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands. And they all made between $600 and $800 coming just from, from out there. There were not... There was maybe 50 f- At the end of the night, maybe 50 people left, it's a Monday night, but they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life, just because people can send it through the internet, through... We actually used-

Joe Rogan 50:26 Isn't that crazy that $600 for a performance that goes on the internet is the most they've ever made from the internet?

Adam Curry 50:34 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Isn't that crazy? Like you think about how many times-

Adam Curry 50:37 It is crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:37 ... they stream. Like I found out about Suzanne from, um, online. Some dude named Ballz Of Steel sent me a message. And he said, "This is your new favorite song." And I was like, "What?" And it was Honey, Honey, Angel Of Death. They did an acoustic version-

Adam Curry 50:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:51 ... on the top of a roof in Downtown LA, and it was incredible. And I was like, "Oh my God." And then I became friends with them and she and...

Adam Curry 50:57 Yeah, she and Nick are great. And their baby is super cute.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Yeah.

Adam Curry 51:00 Have you seen their, their daughter?

Joe Rogan 51:01 It's adorable.

Adam Curry 51:01 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:01 Adorable. It's so cool-

Adam Curry 51:02 She's very cute.

Joe Rogan 51:03 ... to see her mom.

Adam Curry 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 I love it.

Adam Curry 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 But it's all, it's like that... There's been so many streams on the radio and the fact that you never made more than 600 bucks is crazy. Like, something's broken.

Adam Curry 51:13 Well, i- uh, that's because the, the publishers are getting all of that.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Right. Exactly.

Adam Curry 51:18 And... Because, you know, it's... And then you have this-

Joe Rogan 51:19 But then on the other hand, you get m-... You know, you can get really famous. Like people like Tyler, The Creator, and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet. And then they do live performances.

Adam Curry 51:31 Yeah, but it... I still feel that they-

Joe Rogan 51:36 Someone's making money.

Adam Curry 51:37 Well, we know the publishers are making money.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Yeah.

Adam Curry 51:38 The people say the record companies-

Joe Rogan 51:40 They've always done that.

Adam Curry 51:40 ... but it's the publishers.

Joe Rogan 51:41 Yeah, they don't-

Adam Curry 51:41 They own music.

Joe Rogan 51:41 They can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records.

Adam Curry 51:43 (laughs) Thank you. Thanks.

Joe Rogan 51:45 Like- Who makes your records?

Adam Curry 51:46 I was in my garage the other day and I, I put my wall of fame in the garage, and like, "Time to move this out of the house." Like, "I'm old enough now." And I'm looking at, like, there's a, uh, a platinum record, um, with a cassette, with a platinum cassette on it.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Whoa.

Adam Curry 52:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:00 Like, do people even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it- That's crazy.

Adam Curry 52:05 ... for a 5 million copies sold of a cassette tape?

Joe Rogan 52:07 Jelly Roll gave us one of his platinum records. We got it out there in the hall.

Adam Curry 52:10 That guy, that guy is awesome.

Joe Rogan 52:11 He's the best.

Adam Curry 52:12 Jelly Roll is-

Joe Rogan 52:13 I love him to death.

Adam Curry 52:13 What a, what a story. What a story.

Joe Rogan 52:14 He's such a sweetheart. He's such a nice guy.

Adam Curry 52:17 And he's a, he's a big crossover artist, you know. The-

Joe Rogan 52:19 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 52:19 ... Christians love him.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 52:20 The country guys love him. The rock and rollers love him. It's like he's the perfect, perfect-

Joe Rogan 52:24 Yeah.

Adam Curry 52:24 ... uh, crossover artist. If I were an evil record executive, "He's the perfect, he's the perfect crossover artist, Joe."

Joe Rogan 52:32 Yeah.

Adam Curry 52:32 "We need to sign him." That's what I'd be doing.

Joe Rogan 52:34 But also like most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever, with the fucking, all the face tattoos and everything.

Adam Curry 52:39 Just goes to show.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Yeah.

Adam Curry 52:41 You can't tell a book by its cover.

Joe Rogan 52:42 No, you cannot. You cannot.

Adam Curry 52:44 Never.

Joe Rogan 52:45 No.

Adam Curry 52:45 Ever, ever, ever. So, um, anyway, back to that. It's just, it's a shame that we've, you know, the re- the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 52:57 Um, and it's... I mean, even if you have a, a spin studio, you know, the, the Gestapo comes around like, "Yo, you got more, you got more than 75 people a day here. You need to pay us more." And it's, you know, they're very litigious. The whole thing-

Joe Rogan 53:11 Right.

Adam Curry 53:12 ... is just a mess.

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yeah.

Adam Curry 53:13 You know, it's a mess.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Yeah. I mean, the law is great because it protects you from scumbags, but law is-

Adam Curry 53:19 Yeah, but, but who's it protecting now?

Joe Rogan 53:21 ... not so great. Yeah.

Adam Curry 53:21 Because the artists are making no money.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Exactly. Yeah.

Adam Curry 53:24 Although it's become easier to, you know, to do your music at home. That's... I mean, I remember going to the Hit Factory in, uh, in New York and hanging out, you know, watching people record records, right? That was amazing with, you know, the big machines-

Joe Rogan 53:37 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 53:37 ... and lots of people running around.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Well-

Adam Curry 53:39 That was cool.

Joe Rogan 53:40 I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode-

Adam Curry 53:47 Explode.

Joe Rogan 53:47 ... out of nowhere with one song.

Adam Curry 53:49 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 He's another sweetheart.

Adam Curry 53:51 Yeah. You had him on. I saw it. That was great.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Yeah. He was at the club the other night too.

Adam Curry 53:53 That was great. Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 53:54 We were all hanging out. Yeah.

Adam Curry 53:54 Where does he live?

Joe Rogan 53:55 Um, I think he's still-

Adam Curry 53:57 Is he down south?

Joe Rogan 53:58 Maybe he doesn't want people knowing.

Adam Curry 53:59 Oh, okay. Well, he lives in-

Joe Rogan 54:00 I don't wanna say.

Adam Curry 54:01 ... around.

Joe Rogan 54:02 But he, he was f- I mean, back when ... Was he was, he was, he was in Virginia?

Narrator 54:08 West Virginia.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Yeah.

Adam Curry 54:09 West Virginia. Okay. Yeah, West Virginia. That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 54:11 Richmon-, 'cause, uh, Richmond, north of Richmond was the song.

Adam Curry 54:13 Yeah. Right, right. Right, right, right.

Narrator 54:14 Yeah, Virginia. Right.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Um, yeah. That's where he was. I don't know if he's anymore.

Adam Curry 54:17 And, and God bless him-

Joe Rogan 54:18 He's the best.

Adam Curry 54:18 ... because he staye- he stayed away from the system. He's like-

Joe Rogan 54:22 Yeah, we had a phone call. Yeah. I, I called him up when it, when it would all started popping off for him. He said, "I really could use some-"

Adam Curry 54:27 He said, "I'm gonna sign you, boy. I'm gonna sign you to my Rogan Records. You're gonna make millions. Here, take this Cadillac. It'll be great."

Joe Rogan 54:34 Yeah, I sent a Cadillac right to his house.

Adam Curry 54:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:36 Um, that's the last thing you wanna give that guy. You wanna give him, like, a 1983-

Adam Curry 54:40 Exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:40 ... like, Chevy that's redone, you know, a pickup truck.

Adam Curry 54:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Like a, a, an F-150 from the '80s-

Adam Curry 54:46 Nice.

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... that's, like, redone.

Adam Curry 54:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:47 Those, the boxy ones.

Adam Curry 54:48 Yeah. Eight, eight-track in the dash.

Joe Rogan 54:50 That's where you wanna get that guy.

Adam Curry 54:50 Good to go.

Joe Rogan 54:51 Yeah.

Adam Curry 54:52 Yup.

Joe Rogan 54:52 No, he's a genuine guy. He's a really nice guy. And, uh, we had this conversation over the phone. He said, "People are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this." I go, "Stay independent." And, uh, he goes, "They keep saying I gotta strike while the iron's hot." I go, "No. No, no, no, no. Listen to me. You, you've already made it. All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did, and you can do that, right?"

Adam Curry 55:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:12 "You ... I'm sure you have other songs." He goes, "Oh, I got a bunch of other songs."

Adam Curry 55:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Then he sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good, if not better. And I was like, "Dude, you have talent. Talent is what you ..."

Adam Curry 55:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:20 "That's what everybody needs. All this other stuff is people just trying to take advantage of your talent. Stay independent."

Adam Curry 55:26 That's what I mean about you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Yeah.

Adam Curry 55:27 You are, you're a good guy. Y- y- we protect people.

Joe Rogan 55:29 But I was already ... I- I- I was already past that st- spot where he's at. Like, I'd been in that spot before, where people are offering you deals and stuff like that.

Adam Curry 55:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:37 I know what the, the trappings of that is. You're broke, and then all a sudden-

Adam Curry 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 ... y- you have money.

Adam Curry 55:43 That's it.

Joe Rogan 55:43 And like, for me, it worked out great. It, that, that happened to me in 1993. I got this big development deal with Disney.

Adam Curry 55:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 55:50 And I moved out to California to do a sitcom, but it was like m- but it was ... I wanted to be a comic.

Adam Curry 55:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:54 And then all a sudden, I've got all this money that's coming from TV.

Adam Curry 55:57 You're an actor.

Joe Rogan 55:57 I'm like, "This is so weird."

Adam Curry 55:58 Was that Newsradio or was that-

Joe Rogan 55:59 No, that was Hardball. That was a b- a baseball show-

Adam Curry 56:02 Hardball. Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:02 ... that was on Fox that never made it.

Adam Curry 56:03 Mm. I was on MTV, man. I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff.

Joe Rogan 56:06 Yeah.

Adam Curry 56:06 Oh, it didn't make it? Okay.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Well, it actually, uh, um, it actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first.

Adam Curry 56:11 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like 500 bucks-

Adam Curry 56:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:15 ... to do a pilot. I'm not kidding. And then if-

Adam Curry 56:17 Yeah, sounds like MTV. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:18 I'm not kidding. It was like 500 bucks. Some ... It may be 5,000.

Adam Curry 56:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:21 I don't think it was though. I think it was $500. And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time. I think it was like five years-

Adam Curry 56:32 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... where I couldn't do anything other than MTV.

Adam Curry 56:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:35 And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.

Adam Curry 56:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:41 And so they had decided that MTV is, uh, going to keep all of their talent, you know, like Denis Leary.

Adam Curry 56:46 Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in '87, VJs were expendable.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Ah.

Adam Curry 56:53 They're like, "No, you're expendable. Shut up." You know, "We can ex- we can ex-" Now they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe, and I had a two-year contract. Think the first year was 150 grand, the second year was 175 grand, and I got a car service. And, uh, and I could do radio, any, any radio I wanted to do. And so ... And they dis- they ... A lot of the pe- not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, "Cut your hair." I'm like, "No, I'm not gonna cut my hair."

Joe Rogan 57:21 Why did they want you to cut your hair?

Adam Curry 57:22 They have a n- new creative direction for the, for the channel.

Joe Rogan 57:26 Oh, God.

Adam Curry 57:26 I'm like, "No." And, you know, I'd, I'd had different lengths of hair throughout the years.

Joe Rogan 57:30 That's the '80s, man.

Adam Curry 57:32 (laughs)

Narrator 57:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:32 That hair was gold.

Adam Curry 57:33 I'm like, "Have you seen the artists we're playing?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:36 Let me, let me ... Give me a photo of Adam Curry in '88.

Adam Curry 57:40 It's glorious. It's-

Joe Rogan 57:41 Glorious locks.

Adam Curry 57:41 I have the hair of Generation X. Don't call me a boomer.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Look at that. Come on.

Adam Curry 57:46 There, there.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Who the fuck would tell you to cut that Farrah Fawcett?

Adam Curry 57:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:49 That's a beautiful head of hair. That's an amazing-

Adam Curry 57:52 Good times, brother. Good times.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Yeah. Imagine someone telling you that that pro- probably that was like a huge hook too, like probably-

Adam Curry 57:58 Oh, of course.

Joe Rogan 57:59 ... a lot of the ladies.

Adam Curry 57:59 Well, you know what, uh, Merv Griffin always said?

Joe Rogan 58:01 What'd he always say?

Adam Curry 58:01 Merv Griffin always said, "People with big heads are successful on television." That's why he had Pat Sajak and of course Jay Leno.

Joe Rogan 58:08 Jay Leno.

Adam Curry 58:09 Big heads, right?

Joe Rogan 58:10 Giant.

Adam Curry 58:10 I don't have a big head.

Joe Rogan 58:11 You have big hair.

Adam Curry 58:11 So ... I had big hair, so I had a big head.

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs)

Narrator 58:14 (laughs)

Adam Curry 58:14 Exactly. The formula works.

Joe Rogan 58:17 That's funny. Right, there's no, like, little tiny-headed dudes that are like-

Adam Curry 58:19 No.

Joe Rogan 58:19 Wow.

Adam Curry 58:20 No. No.

Narrator 58:21 What is that about?

Adam Curry 58:21 No. Now that works on YouTube now, but on television, it's not gonna ...

Joe Rogan 58:24 Does it work on YouTube?

Adam Curry 58:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:25 If you got a tiny head that's killing it on YouTube.

Adam Curry 58:26 I, I think any, anybody can be successful on YouTube.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Right.

Adam Curry 58:29 I mean, it's all kinds of interesting stuff.

Joe Rogan 58:30 But doesn't that show you that the formula's bullshit then? You know, like, you got a guy like MrBeast who is not, like, a classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.

Adam Curry 58:39 That guy has ... I mean, so I don't ... People say he's a creator. I think he's a creation. He, he is a creation of YouTube and how it works. Y- you don't have this, uh, because you're, you know, you're so established, but they, his team, and he's talked about this, micromanage every second of each video, every cut, every ... The poster images, all these things. And it's all about time spent viewing. If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 1:40, that other video was more successful. I mean, it's really ... In order to, to, like, hook the algos, get everything rolling-

Joe Rogan 59:17 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 59:17 ... you have to bring that down to a science. And of course, um, this is not for you and I, I don't think, is you have to always keep feeding the machine. You gotta keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it. You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel. Otherwise, you know, psh, you drop off very quickly.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Yeah. Well, um, I just think he has a different approach. I mean, his approach is very, like, scientific. He's very-

Adam Curry 59:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:40 ... very intelligent about it. And I'd ... I'm a m-... like, feel person, which is why I- when I get people as guests, I never think, like pe- sometimes people think, "Oh, you try to get, like, the biggest name guests because that'll be the most popular videos."

Adam Curry 59:55 No.

Joe Rogan 59:55 I don't- I don't do that at all.

Adam Curry 59:57 No, no.

Joe Rogan 59:57 I only, who do I want to talk to? That's ex- exactly how I've always done it. So that's how I'm gonna always do it. Do I want... and i- if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know, and he- happened-

Adam Curry 1:00:06 Great interview, by the way.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 He was great.

Adam Curry 1:00:07 By the way. He was f- I mean, I'm like, that's, for me, he's always Mad Max. When I was a kid-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:00:12 ... you know, we, we'd play hooky from school. We'd go back. We'd, and someone would have a VHS, no a Betamax, he had a Betamax-

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry 1:00:19 And like, we're watching Mad Max and then Diana Ross in the round. I mean that (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Diana Ross in the round.

Adam Curry 1:00:25 We love Diana Ross. You're like, "Oh, she's so awesome." But that Mad Max, man, that original. And he's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:00:30 ... standing there with his boots in the desert in, at the beginning. It was just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Great fucking movie.

Adam Curry 1:00:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 He had a bunch of bangers. But he just, he's an interesting-

Adam Curry 1:00:38 There he is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 ... guy. You know.

Adam Curry 1:00:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 And that-

Adam Curry 1:00:39 And-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 ... blower on top of the, the engine. I mean, the whole thing was just f- we just loved that. That was a fun movie.

Adam Curry 1:00:46 And then later Lethal Weapon.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 1:00:47 And then, and I didn't realize, 'cause I'd seen The Passion, uh, which is, you know, a- as a, as a Jesus freak myself, was like, that was like, whoa, that was, yeah, a heavy movie to watch. And when he said, I didn't realize that, I fe- ah, the whole thing was in Aramaic.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Mm.

Adam Curry 1:01:02 And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 1:01:06 And his theory that it, you know, it, it penetrates you differently, the story, I think is so spot on.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 I think so too. I mean the-

Adam Curry 1:01:13 Really, really interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Well, he's a, a very underrated filmmaker, and I always point to Apocalypto as another example-

Adam Curry 1:01:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 ... of that. That mo-

Adam Curry 1:01:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 There's no English in that movie.

Adam Curry 1:01:21 No, no.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 And it's a masterful movie.

Adam Curry 1:01:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 It's a great movie.

Adam Curry 1:01:24 That guy has a calling, man. He's, he's doing amaz- and talent.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:01:27 He's got just amaz- and he fought the system. He really, really fought the system so hard.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Well, that was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ-

Adam Curry 1:01:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 ... 'cause it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus, uh, reaction to that film. It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system.

Adam Curry 1:01:52 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 So in creating that movie, he financed it himself. He went outside the, he got a smaller distributor, and it did really well.

Adam Curry 1:02:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 And they were like-

Adam Curry 1:02:01 What, $800 million or something?

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Exactly. So they're like-

Adam Curry 1:02:03 Crazy amount.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 ... "We gotta make sure this doesn't fucking happen again."

Adam Curry 1:02:05 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 And that's where the attacks came.

Adam Curry 1:02:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 And that's also where Jim Caviezel, his career completely stalled out. You would think the guy's in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that, like he's gonna be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this.

Adam Curry 1:02:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 No. They kinda blackballed him.

Adam Curry 1:02:19 Yes. Well, and so you have smaller studios now, like, um, Angel Studios. And they're in, uh, Utah. And they did, uh, they crowdfunded, uh, this, uh, The Chosen, which is, you know, the s- the story of Jesus. And it's, I mean, unbelie- they're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it. And it's all crowdfunding. At the end of the season, the credits are like 15 minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Oh, wow.

Adam Curry 1:02:48 Of everybody who donated. And everybody who donated, you know, X amount, they get to be extras on the set. I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Interesting.

Adam Curry 1:02:57 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:02:58 Then, of course, they went on to do the, an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a dog. It's so horrible. It's like, "Oh, what is this?" I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Oh, it's a bad movie?

Adam Curry 1:03:07 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 (laughs)

Adam Curry 1:03:08 Bad acting. A-

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Is it bad enough to watch it?

Adam Curry 1:03:10 No, no. Joe and I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Have a cocktail?

Adam Curry 1:03:12 ... were watching it, and we're like, "Do we bail?" No, ten more minutes. "Do we bail?" No, no, it's gonna happen. Do we? And it was like, no, no, it was, it's too bad. I mean, just like, what are-

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 It's hard to make a good movie.

Adam Curry 1:03:20 I- g- of course it is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Well, imagine the amount of people that you have, if you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have-

Adam Curry 1:03:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 ... in the background of the movie-

Adam Curry 1:03:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 ... that are telling you what to do, all the money people, all the executives. Like it's so, it must be so hard. You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino, who's like, "Yeah, just leave him alone. Leave him alone. Let him do his magic."

Adam Curry 1:03:41 He's an interesting f- have you met him, Quentin Tarantino?

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Oh, yeah. He's been on a couple times.

Adam Curry 1:03:44 Interesting fellow.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 We hung out with him the other night. He, we went out to-

Adam Curry 1:03:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 ... dinner with him, him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome.

Adam Curry 1:03:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 And, uh, then we went to the club, and we hung out at the club.

Adam Curry 1:03:52 He's an interesting guy. He's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 He, and that's what he, like, want, he like requested to come to the club and come to dinner.

Adam Curry 1:03:55 Was he wearing his tracksuit?

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 No, he was dressed normal.

Adam Curry 1:03:58 Oh. Oh. I saw him in LA when I was there for about a year. I was like, "You see him, like tracksuit, tracksuit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Tracksuits are comfortable.

Adam Curry 1:04:03 Tracksuit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits all the time.

Adam Curry 1:04:06 Yeah, of course. The Russian mob guys-

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Once you wear them on, you're like, "Oh, this is the way to do it."

Adam Curry 1:04:09 They know, yeah, that's, Adidas, man.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 This is comfortable.

Adam Curry 1:04:10 Adidas, that's my uniform.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 I think the move is like stretchy jeans.

Adam Curry 1:04:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 'Cause stretchy jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like a weirdo.

Adam Curry 1:04:20 I've become a hoodie guy, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Good.

Adam Curry 1:04:22 ... much, much to my-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Great.

Adam Curry 1:04:22 ... my wife's chagrin. She's like, you know, I got friends of mine saying, "Hey, Fetterman." I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 (laughs)

Adam Curry 1:04:27 ... "Eh, really, brother? Really?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Fetterman wore a hoodie to the fucking inauguration.

Adam Curry 1:04:31 That was a little wild. I mean, the hoodie was one thing, but the shorts, I'm like, "Well, you know, that's Fetterman, I guess."

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 That's, he, really who he is.

Adam Curry 1:04:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 I mean, it's kinda weird in that like, come on, everybody else is wearing a suit. But it's also kind of like, well, that's how he dresses 24 hours a day. Like-

Adam Curry 1:04:46 Yeah, but you wore a tuxie- and dude, you wore a button down for the president being in your studio. I was impressed by that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Well, I felt li- I felt like I had to. The vice president too.

Adam Curry 1:04:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 It's like, "I gotta wear something nice."

Adam Curry 1:04:57 Yeah. It's, it's because, you know, it's just a little bit, shows a little bit of respect.

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 Yeah, I didn't even-

Adam Curry 1:05:00 You know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 ... clean the table off though. But you know-

Adam Curry 1:05:02 Well, why would you? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 ... my, my friend, uh, Harlan Williams is very happy that Dmitri was on the table.

Adam Curry 1:05:05 Oh, you snake. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Yeah. He, he gave me a giant hug. He goes, "Dmitri was on the table-"

Adam Curry 1:05:09 He was there, man. He was there.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 "... when you were interviewing the president."

Adam Curry 1:05:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 This is, uh, a gag that Harlan did. He said he had a tapeworm, and then th- three hours into the podcast, he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants.

Adam Curry 1:05:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 You gotta see Harlan. He's fucking, he's so funny and so unusual and so eccentric that like, for him, like that wa- it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants.

Adam Curry 1:05:30 Yeah, of course. I get it. I get it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 (laughs)

Adam Curry 1:05:32 I mean, it was so interesting where, um, you know, and, and you've talked about the, the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying, and you know, it's like, "Well, we talked to his people." I'm like, "His people?" I think it's Jamie and then maybe one other guy?

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Well, I do have managers, and they did talk to the managers.

Adam Curry 1:05:49 Oh, they did talk to them?

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:05:50 Okay. All right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 But, but what they said just wasn't true.

Adam Curry 1:05:52 But yeah, I mean, it's not like you have a super big team here. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 No.

Adam Curry 1:05:55 You know, it's small.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 It's a very-

Adam Curry 1:05:56 Small.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Even the team outside of here is not that big.

Adam Curry 1:05:58 Yeah, it's small.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 But it's, um, just-... con- it's just normal-

Adam Curry 1:06:02 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 ... political bullshit. They just lie.

Adam Curry 1:06:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 They cover their ass and they lie.

Adam Curry 1:06:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 I would have been very happy to have her on. And like I said, the goal was to le- release both of them the same day. I was trying to figure out how to do that.

Adam Curry 1:06:12 Oh, this was a great idea. It would have been great. That would have been fantastic.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do.

Adam Curry 1:06:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 You know? And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to put them out both at the same time. Like...

Adam Curry 1:06:21 But that's it. That's where we broke the mess- the elite messaging system. We broke it because-

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:06:26 ... they could not put her into the new system. They couldn't, because they knew that she would fall down.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Well, they just got scared. They could have. They could have put her in. I would have held her hand. Uh, I would have... We would have had a conversation.

Adam Curry 1:06:38 I'm sure you would have. I'm sure you would have.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Not that I need to hold, you know, the vice president's hand.

Adam Curry 1:06:40 You probably would have voted for her. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 But what I meant was... No, I wouldn't have done