Joe Rogan Experience #2277 - Woody Harrelson

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Woody Harrelson 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) So what's happening, man? How are you?

Woody Harrelson 0:14 Oh, everything's groovy as could be. I'm happy to be in Austin. I love it here, you know.

Joe Rogan 0:20 It's a fun place.

Woody Harrelson 0:21 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm... I stay here, so... yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Oh, do you?

Woody Harrelson 0:25 Yeah. And, uh... I don't know. It's like... Just... It's a... It's just a special place in this country.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yeah, I agree. It's perfect because it's like a blue city in a red state, and it's like even the really kooky liberal people are pretty... reasonable in comparison-

Woody Harrelson 0:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:43 ... to like the kooky liberal people from California or New York.

Woody Harrelson 0:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:48 It's balanced.

Woody Harrelson 0:48 Kooky liberals, yeah. I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Did you get a lot of that after Saturday Night Live? (laughs) A lot of kooky liberals coming your way? That, uh...

Woody Harrelson 0:57 Uh... (laughs) Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 0:59 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 0:59 That's a good transition there.

Joe Rogan 1:01 That, uh-

Woody Harrelson 1:02 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:02 ... monologue was great, by the way.

Woody Harrelson 1:03 That thing? (laughs) Yeah. Well, I got a... I got a lot of blowback-

Joe Rogan 1:08 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:08 ... as I knew I would, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:10 Because, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:11 'Cause you tell the truth. (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:13 Well, yeah. I... You know, it's just that you don't wanna say anything negative about vaccines, which I didn't. What- what I was talking about in that monologue was... was really about profiteering.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:29 Okay, so World War II, necessary. Everyone could say that was a necessary war. Let's say this war on, uh, microbes was a necessary war, right? Why is anyone profiteering?

Joe Rogan 1:43 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 1:44 Why did, uh, you know, uh, you know, Pfizer get to make $100 billion in 2021?

Joe Rogan 1:51 Right.

Woody Harrelson 1:53 Anyway, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:54 Why did the government-

Woody Harrelson 1:55 The profiteering-

Joe Rogan 1:55 ... profit off of it? Why did-

Woody Harrelson 1:56 The profiteering-

Joe Rogan 1:57 ... it was Moderna-

Woody Harrelson 1:57 ... of war is just wrong. Like okay, if you say that it has to be... there's conflicts happening right now I disagree with, but I'm wondering, why are people making money off of it? You know.

Joe Rogan 2:11 Right.

Woody Harrelson 2:11 Even if you think you have a legitimate vantage point from the other side of it-

Joe Rogan 2:16 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 2:16 ... why does someone get to make so much fricking money off of it?

Joe Rogan 2:20 Yeah. Yeah. It's the dirtiest aspect of human beings.

Woody Harrelson 2:25 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 2:25 We'll find a way to prof- profiteer off everything.

Woody Harrelson 2:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Everything and anything, even- even if it's just. And they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit.

Woody Harrelson 2:36 Well, I mean, I- I'm sure you know that, uh, um, you know, Richard Nixon wa-... knew it was imperative that the war continue, you know, the Vietnam War, back before he got elected, you know.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 2:50 He didn't want that to get settled.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 2:53 And, uh, he... There's a great phone call. I don't know if you've listened to any of Johnson's phone calls, uh, Lyndon Johnson, but-

Joe Rogan 3:01 What- what phone call?

Woody Harrelson 3:02 There was a phone call he had with, uh, with, uh, Nixon, saying, "Hey, man, (laughs) you... you're... you're, uh, going against the peace," 'cause he was trying to get a peace to go before the '68 election, right, which he eventually just bailed out of anyway 'cause he could see he was gonna lose it, Johnson. Uh, any-... I don't... M- you know, maybe you haven't, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:27 No, I've never heard-

Woody Harrelson 3:27 ... thought about this, but-

Joe Rogan 3:27 ... that conversation between Nixon and-

Woody Harrelson 3:29 It's an incredible-

Joe Rogan 3:30 ... Johnson.

Woody Harrelson 3:30 ... conversation. And Nixon's like, "Oh, I... Oh, I wouldn't have... wouldn't do that. I would never," you know. And of course he was doing that.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 3:37 He was subverting the peace process, you know, in the same way that, uh, you know, they wanted to make sure Carter didn't get those, you know, uh, those guys-

Joe Rogan 3:47 Iranian hostages, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 3:47 ... released, uh, in- in a... in a... in Iran-

Joe Rogan 3:51 Yeah, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 3:51 ... uh, 40.

Joe Rogan 3:52 I always wondered about, uh, the Vietnam War, how much of it was about heroin. Three days before 1968 presidential election, President Johnson contacted Senate Majority Lever... Leader, uh, Everett M. Dirksen to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M. "Dick" Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War. In this call, Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese President Nguyen... uh, Van Thie... I don't know how to say his name... urged that they thwart any such negotiations. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 4:32 Yeah. And that did happen. (clears throat) And also, they definitely, uh, uh... Bush, uh, you know, the senior Bush, uh, George Bush Sr., he met and, uh, with the leaders of the Iranian, uh... well, you know, what do you call it, party, whatever in... uh, before the election to Carter but... the... the fight between Carter-

Joe Rogan 5:00 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 5:00 ... and Reagan, uh, and insisted they... they needed to not be letting those hostages go.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Right.

Woody Harrelson 5:09 And so I met, uh, Carter in Aust-... or rather in, uh, Atlanta, I don't know, couple, three years ago, right? It's very exciting for me because I've... I've always been a big, big fan of Carter. I think he's the-

Joe Rogan 5:23 Me too.

Woody Harrelson 5:23 ... best president in my lifetime. And I talked to Carter, and he was like... and I so... I said... I'm sitting there, I'm thinking to myself, "Is there a better time to ask? When am I gonna have another time?"

Joe Rogan 5:35 Right.

Woody Harrelson 5:36 And so that was known as the October surprise, right?

Joe Rogan 5:39 Right.

Woody Harrelson 5:40 That- that Bush met with those guys. Anyway, I just said, "I'm gonna ask him." I says, "Well, I just wonder, is there any truth to the October surprise?" And he kinda... he looks at me like he hadn't heard this question (laughs) lately, right? And he looks at me, and he goes, "Well, I... I never talk about this publicly, but, uh..."... we did still have people in the h- in the White House after we left, who, who were there during the Reagan administration. And, uh, they confirmed it was true.

Joe Rogan 6:16 Yeah, of course, it was true. It was too obvious-

Woody Harrelson 6:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:18 ... that hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected.

Woody Harrelson 6:21 Yeah. They, they released him on the day he took office.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Yeah. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 6:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Ridiculous. It's kinda disgusting.

Woody Harrelson 6:28 Very disgusting.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 6:30 But, I mean, uh, I don't wanna be one to talk ill of American government.

Joe Rogan 6:38 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 6:40 (laughs) Far be it for me.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Yeah. We don't need to. Hey, man, your movie's fucking great. I loved it.

Woody Harrelson 6:45 Oh, you saw it?

Joe Rogan 6:46 I saw it Wednesday night. Yeah, it was great.

Woody Harrelson 6:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Really-

Woody Harrelson 6:48 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 6:48 ... really great. Nail-biter. Like-

Woody Harrelson 6:50 Yeah, an edge-of-your-seat movie.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Yeah. There's not a single cut-the-shit moment in that movie. You know, there's movies that there's a m- there's... Where you have to suspend disbelief, and it takes you out of it. There's none of that in that movie.

Woody Harrelson 7:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:02 It's really good. It's really good. Very suspenseful, very fulfilling.

Woody Harrelson 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 At the end of it, you feel super entertained. It was great.

Woody Harrelson 7:09 Yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. It's... I, I, I love it. I... It's so exciting, that film. Uh, I... It's like an action movie. I mean-

Joe Rogan 7:19 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 7:19 ... it really is, like, as nail-biter as any action movie I've seen. I love it. And Alex Parkinson, he also... He was the director. He also directed the... 'Cause it was a, uh, documentary.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Oh.

Woody Harrelson 7:33 Last Breath.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Oh, wow.

Woody Harrelson 7:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 So he directed both?

Woody Harrelson 7:36 So... Oh, 'cause people may not know, he... This was a real incident that happened-

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 7:40 ... in the North Sea. Anyway, uh, yeah. Simu Liu and, uh, Finn Cole, you know, love those guys. Loved working with them. That was a great experience.

Joe Rogan 7:54 It's a great movie. It's very good. It's very fun. Like, it's exciting. And I hardly ever go to the movies anymore, but, uh, your people made me go see it in the movie theater.

Woody Harrelson 8:03 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 8:04 Yeah, so I had to actually go to a theater-

Woody Harrelson 8:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:06 ... and see it. It was great, though.

Woody Harrelson 8:08 Ah, well, thanks-

Joe Rogan 8:09 I really enjoyed it.

Woody Harrelson 8:09 ... for doing that, man.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Oh, my pleasure.

Woody Harrelson 8:11 That's, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:12 My pleasure.

Woody Harrelson 8:12 I know you're a busy man, you got a lot going on.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 8:15 Appreciate that.

Joe Rogan 8:15 But I was excited to talk to you, man. I'm a big fan. I've been... Goddamn, I've been watching you since Cheers.

Woody Harrelson 8:20 Oh, thanks, dude.

Joe Rogan 8:21 You know, it's a long time.

Woody Harrelson 8:22 Thank you. Well, I'm a fan of yours too.

Joe Rogan 8:25 Thank you.

Woody Harrelson 8:25 I, I really am. I, I'm so... I love the things you've done that just flipped everything on its head, you know, the people you've interviewed that you got, you know, people gen- genuinely up in arms, you know. Like, you, you're, you're not afraid. You're, you're a fearless warrior, and I just... I appreciate what you do. Like allow-

Joe Rogan 8:48 Thank you.

Woody Harrelson 8:48 ... give allowing voice to people... Other people will be like, "You're wrong just to interview that person."

Joe Rogan 8:56 Yeah. You get a lot of that, for sure, but that's ridiculous.

Woody Harrelson 8:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:59 That's ridiculous. The, at least... That's ridiculous thinking. I don't even understand that. I really don't. I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them. This idea of platforming people. Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think? Based on what? The mainstream media that lies to you constantly, that's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth? They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed, and they want no deviation from that at all. Get the fuck outta here.

Woody Harrelson 9:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:32 Get the fuck outta here. It's crazy. And if you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.

Woody Harrelson 9:42 Yeah. I liked your interview with Robert Malone.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 9:47 That was a crucial interview at a crucial time.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Well, it was the most pushback I'd ever experienced ever in my life, and I was like, "This is crazy." When you... It was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and, uh, Neil Young-

Woody Harrelson 10:01 Neil Young.

Joe Rogan 10:01 ... and, like, what... You got... I wanted to sit down and talk to them and, like, show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say like, "You don't really know what you're talking about."

Woody Harrelson 10:11 Well, that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they're receiving is, like, from mainstream media-

Joe Rogan 10:18 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 10:18 ... which certainly has its own objectives and its own, uh, uh, you know, um, uh, things that it won't discuss.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 10:26 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah. At all.

Woody Harrelson 10:28 And, and, uh, um... Yeah. And I, I just felt like, after that happened, you know, I almost... I was gonna try to get in touch with you just to tip my hat to you. But it, it just felt like, why don't people just listen to the interview? Because I feel like everyone who was giving it a hard time hadn't even heard the interview.

Joe Rogan 10:49 Of course. Yeah. They had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation. By the way, everything he said has turned out to be true. Every single thing he said had turned out to be true.

Woody Harrelson 11:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the s- the studies and, and distorted the information, everything was true. All of it. Including-

Woody Harrelson 11:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:15 ... Yale just released some study about people producing spike proteins 700 plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place. A host of different serious problems that people are having because these... That everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate. And doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't wanna be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things. It's horrible.

Woody Harrelson 11:46 Well, I mean, I agree with you, and, uh... Yeah. If, if we go back to the, uh, allowing... You know, I just feel like to mandate was wrong.

Joe Rogan 11:59 Crazy.

Woody Harrelson 12:00 It just... It... That's... That, to me, is fascistic behavior.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 12:04 If you mandate that I have to take this thing-... that if you take it, you're protected. Well, if I take it, wouldn't that mine? (laughs) You know-

Joe Rogan 12:15 Right. Doesn't even make sense.

Woody Harrelson 12:15 ... that should be my prerogative. I either wanna be protected or don't wanna be protected. Or, maybe I am like I am, which is the last two entities on Earth I would trust with my health, would be big pharma and big government. Like, those would be the last two I would look to. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:32 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 12:32 Uh, you know, how much big pharma's done to just, uh, just push it through that they know is bad for you-

Joe Rogan 12:39 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 12:40 ... that they know harms you? And in this case, they know what's happened.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 12:44 They know. And, and all we're left with after the... What was it? '86 that they, uh, mandated that you couldn't sue the vaccine companies?

Joe Rogan 12:53 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 12:54 Uh, and so since then, we've only been left with VAERS, right? The-

Joe Rogan 12:57 Yeah. VAERS, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 12:59 ... the, the government... VAERS-

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 13:00 ... uh, the government website. And now we have millions of people who fought through the red tape and then the bureaucratic whatever just to, just to s- anonous- anonymously be known-

Joe Rogan 13:14 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 13:14 ... that they were injured.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 13:17 So-

Joe Rogan 13:17 That's... It was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the, the pharmaceutical industry. And take their side.

Woody Harrelson 13:29 But it's not weird if you think of how... I mean, it was ubiquitous. It, it never stopped. The, the mainstream press was just harping on it constantly.

Joe Rogan 13:41 Yeah. Constantly, yeah. But it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question. I mean-

Woody Harrelson 13:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:48 And especially, the weirdest part was that it was the people on the left. That was so confusing to me 'cause-

Woody Harrelson 13:52 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 13:52 ... all my life, people on the left were very, very hesitant to believe anything that big pharma said, and, uh, always distrusting in any major institution that was profiting off of something. And all the... It was all very clear. You could see where the motivation was with everything. You could see the amount of profit that was gonna be generated. And still, everybody was just so scared. It just exposed a lot of cowards, uh, a lot of fools, a lot of cowards, and a l- and a lot of people that are just, at the moment of any form of adversity, are willing to just bow down and, and do what the system tells them to. It's very strange.

Woody Harrelson 14:34 Well, (laughs) yes. I mean, to say cowards, it's, it's, it's interesting because, um, because of the nature of it being so mandated, you know? You had... I had... Many people I know got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to fly-

Joe Rogan 14:55 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 14:55 ... they wanted to be able to work.

Joe Rogan 14:57 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 14:57 So when it's mandated that you can't work... (laughs) You know, I mean, how many drivers?

Joe Rogan 15:03 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 15:03 Every single driver had to be vaccin... In, in, in, in, uh, uh, Atlanta, you... Every person on the crew had to be vaccinated, and you... If it was... You, you had the first vaccination, but when you got the, uh... What do you call the next...

Joe Rogan 15:21 The boosters.

Woody Harrelson 15:21 ... the booster, it had to be within six months. If it's six months and a day, you won't work that day.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 15:27 You know, it was very regimented. Everybody in every crew in this-

Joe Rogan 15:33 And including people that had already been sick, so it didn't even make sense. Not only that-

Woody Harrelson 15:37 No, of course not.

Joe Rogan 15:37 ... I mean, you talk to virologists, they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because that encourages variants. You know, I posted that on Twitter, the study on Twitter, and p- so many people were attacking me. I'm like, "Hey, I didn't write the study." There's a study that shows that when you vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, it encouraged, encourages variants. And that's what happened. And they was blaming the-

Woody Harrelson 16:00 What do you mean non-sterilizing vaccine?

Joe Rogan 16:01 So it doesn't... A vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the disease.

Woody Harrelson 16:07 Oh, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 16:07 And that's what COVID is, or that's what the COVID vaccine is.

Woody Harrelson 16:09 Well, initially, it was supposed to stop you... It was 100% gonna stop the va-

Joe Rogan 16:14 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 16:14 And then the... Of course, that guy had to be modified. Uh, uh, it came to now it will lessen your symptoms. A completely-

Joe Rogan 16:23 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 16:23 ... unprovable (laughs) claim.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Yeah. Well, there was never-

Woody Harrelson 16:26 And you pay me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:26 ... any studies ever in the beginning that ever showed that it stopped transmission. None.

Woody Harrelson 16:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Zero. All it did is it showed that it, it had an immune response. That's it.

Woody Harrelson 16:36 So you, you read Bobby's book?

Joe Rogan 16:38 Oh, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 16:39 Yeah. And even the guy, uh, interestingly... You know, uh, Kary Mullis, I believe is his name-

Joe Rogan 16:45 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 16:45 ... the guy who created the PCR test. Or, well, there was some discrepancy with other people. But anyway, it doesn't matter. But the guy credited, he said this vaccine... This, this, uh, test cannot prove, uh...

Joe Rogan 17:05 Infection.

Woody Harrelson 17:06 Uh, it doesn't, it doesn't prove causation. So, in other words, you may... You're, you're having a response that says that you have a viral load, but you don't know what the cause of that is. You don't know what generated that. And, and it can't prove what the illness is, or what the-

Joe Rogan 17:26 Not only that-

Woody Harrelson 17:26 ... what the problem is that causes that.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, I mean, you could detect, like, the, the most minute amount that is not indicative of the, indicative of the person being infected-

Woody Harrelson 17:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:39 ... and that person will have a false positive. And they... There's... False positives were all through the fucking roof.

Woody Harrelson 17:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Yeah, it... The whole thing made no sense, and it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively. And I hope we learn. I hope we learn. I hope next time things roll around, people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and b- and believe this shit.

Woody Harrelson 17:58 Well, already, they were coming up with additional vaccines for this or that or another booster, and people were like, "Meh." No. So I think people have already started to question-... the validity of things, you know.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Well, I think this pandemic and the response and th- the mandates and all that shit, it, it, it ruined people's faith in... first of all, the mainstream media. I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit out of anybody. Like, the, the tr- the trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an all-time low.

Woody Harrelson 18:38 Well, I hope you're right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:39 Oh, it's... I think, I think I'm right. I think it's-

Woody Harrelson 18:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... pretty obvious. I mean, the ratings are f- down on every fucking show there is. Um, newspapers can't-

Woody Harrelson 18:48 You mean, you mean-

Joe Rogan 18:48 No one wants to buy them.

Woody Harrelson 18:49 ... since, since the pandemic?

Joe Rogan 18:50 Yeah, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 18:51 Yeah, okay. I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Oh, yeah. They're, th- CNN is... fucking no one's watching it anymore. MSNBC is, is a ghost town. They're... no one's watching these shows, 'cause they're all just lying. They're lying... they're still lying. They're lying constantly. And now, you know, now they're lying about the Department of Government Efficiency, when before they were lying about ven- pandemics and vaccines. It's just... it's not really the news, you know? If it was the news, they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can't have the-

Woody Harrelson 19:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:21 ... fucking news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on and then you never report on them. That's just crazy.

Woody Harrelson 19:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:29 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:29 Well, also, that, that whole, uh, Trusted News Initiative.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:34 You familiar with that?

Joe Rogan 19:35 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:37 I guess you would be.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:38 You, you talk to Bobby and everybody.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:40 Uh, but yeah, the Trusted News Initiative is just like, "Okay, we won't pr- we won't..." Uh, you like... when you... I'd send a YouTube video that I just got to someone else, and by the time it gets to them, they're like... it won't let me watch it.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:55 Right?

Joe Rogan 19:56 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 19:56 Why? Why? You know? It... misinformation. But isn't m- misinformation also information?

Joe Rogan 20:05 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 20:05 You know? (laughs) it's like, how can you determine misinformation and what, what, you know... what are your, uh, uh, uh, you know, criteria that allow you to call that misinformation?

Joe Rogan 20:19 Yeah. Well, I'm hoping people have learned, but it was a weird time. Uh, an educational time though. It was a good, a good experience for some people till... just to learn that like, hey, like, there's sources that you cannot trust. And I think now, the, the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now, you have a way of fact-checking things, where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, "No, this story is not true. Here's why it's not true. Here's why it's provably not true." You know? So, this is the best way to handle misinformation. It's not leave it up to government censors.

Woody Harrelson 21:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:01 You know? And that, that was where everybody was going in, in 2020. It was just fucking crazy to watch.

Woody Harrelson 21:06 Well, but those weren't government censors. Those were the- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 21:09 ... those were the mainstream media censoring themselves.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Well, yeah, yeah, but I mean, they-

Woody Harrelson 21:15 At the, at the behest of government-

Joe Rogan 21:17 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 21:17 ... but also at the behest of Big Pharma, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:20 Yeah, yeah. Well, we found out that the, the government was actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true.

Woody Harrelson 21:30 Oh, oh.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Because there was mal-information. They could... Do you, do you know th- that term?

Woody Harrelson 21:34 I haven't heard that one before.

Joe Rogan 21:35 So, there's misinformation, disinformation, and mal-information. Mal-information is true, but could have a detrimental effect on society. True information that can have a detrimental effect on society is mal-information that also should be censored.

Woody Harrelson 21:52 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 21:53 It's Orwell.

Woody Harrelson 21:54 Wow.

Joe Rogan 21:54 It's right out of, right out of 1984.

Woody Harrelson 21:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:57 It's crazy.

Woody Harrelson 21:58 I feel so Orwellian-

Joe Rogan 21:59 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 21:59 ... just the, the, the time we've gone through and the time we're in.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 22:03 It feels extremely Orwellian to me.

Joe Rogan 22:05 It's very weird. It's a weird time, but I'm optimistic.

Woody Harrelson 22:13 (laughs) I'm, uh... I wanna be optimistic, but-

Joe Rogan 22:16 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 22:17 ... I think cynicism is the worst disease of old age, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 22:20 Once you're cynical, you are fucked, man.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 22:24 Like, it just-

Joe Rogan 22:25 Targeted out of it.

Woody Harrelson 22:25 ... it infects every part of your being, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:27 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 22:28 But you stay very positive, right?

Joe Rogan 22:30 Yeah, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 22:31 I mean, you're just... you seem like... man, y- y- nothing can stop you.

Joe Rogan 22:37 I try to stay positive.

Woody Harrelson 22:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:39 I mean, I've... I'm, I'm affected like everybody else is, you know? I- I was down during the pandemic. It bothered the shit out of me. But I... you know, we came through it on the other end, and I think people have more resolve now. And I think generally, the general public has... at least a good percentage of the gen- general public has a healthy distrust now for bullshit.

Woody Harrelson 22:56 Certainly your listeners.

Joe Rogan 22:58 Yeah, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 22:59 Now, uh... but after that Robert Malone thing happened, I was really curious. I was wanting to contact you and I didn't, but, uh, but I- I was just curious how... 'cause man, I never seen anyone take more body blows-

Joe Rogan 23:13 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 23:13 ... but I gotta say, it was cool. They were like... stood behind you, uh... is it Spotify?

Joe Rogan 23:17 Yeah, yeah, Spotify did.

Woody Harrelson 23:19 I think yeah. Yeah. It's modified. I was like, "Uh, well..."

Joe Rogan 23:20 Well, fortunately they're not American. It's not an American company, you know?

Woody Harrelson 23:23 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah. They're Sweden.

Woody Harrelson 23:24 What... where are they from?

Joe Rogan 23:26 Sweden.

Woody Harrelson 23:27 Ah, okay.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Yeah. So, they're like, "Eh, we're not buying it." (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 23:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:33 Also, it was... the show was big enough where they were like, "Why would we pull this thing off the air? Let's hang in there and see what happens." And it just kept getting bigger. And so, they're realizing that the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information and-

Woody Harrelson 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:48 ... they, they didn't buy it. But there was two, there was two guys, Peter Mercola and Robert Malone. Those are the ones. And then there was like some fucking-

Woody Harrelson 23:54 Oh yeah, Peter Mercola.

Joe Rogan 23:56 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 23:56 Boy, he took a lot of hits-

Joe Rogan 23:57 He did.

Woody Harrelson 23:57 ... big time during the... Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Most published doctor in human history in his particular-

Woody Harrelson 24:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:03 ... field of study. I mean, he's a-

Woody Harrelson 24:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 ... well-respected, rock solid credentialed-

Woody Harrelson 24:09 And it was one of his videos I tried to send right after I got it-

Joe Rogan 24:12 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 24:12 ... I tried to send to people... No.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 24:15 They were so quick. I've never seen such quick...... censorship-

Joe Rogan 24:20 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 24:20 ... or editing, you know, uh, w- uh, almost, uh, impressive, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:25 It was creepy.

Woody Harrelson 24:25 Creepy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 What was it like in Hollywood having your perspective, your healthy distrust of what was going on, where, uh, e- sort of everybody was sort of in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was?

Woody Harrelson 24:39 Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, I mean, I don't know how many sets you visited, but everybody was, like, you know, in masks-

Joe Rogan 24:46 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 24:47 ... and then, you know.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 24:47 And then there'd be different zones.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 24:50 And then, you know, you get... Well, the closer you get to the actual set where the shoot- shooting is, and then they're like, "Red zone, people!"

Joe Rogan 24:57 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 24:57 "Put your masks on!" And I was just like, I never bought it.

Joe Rogan 25:01 (sighs)

Woody Harrelson 25:01 And I, you know... (laughs) I- I never bought it from the beginning. I'm just like, I don't... (laughs) I just, this doesn't feel right, all right? I- I'm supposed to wear a mask, but I haven't been s-... Now, at this point, this, n- n- right now, I haven't been sick in eight years, right? Well, back then was, whatever, six years. But- but it was just like I knew... Well, no, I'm doing the math wrong, but you know what I mean.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 25:28 But it had been a long time since I'd been sick, and I'm like, "I don't feel like I need to wear a mask," so I w- I would just not wear a mask, you know? But everybody else on the set's wearing a mask, which r- which is very discomforting-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 25:44 ... because, you know, you- you can't even relate to people so well without-

Joe Rogan 25:48 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 25:48 ... seeing their face, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:49 It's very weird.

Woody Harrelson 25:50 Uh, anywa-

Joe Rogan 25:50 It was very weird.

Woody Harrelson 25:51 Very strange times.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah, the strangest. And it didn't make any sense. And there was also this narrative that if you weren't vaccinated, the vacce- the- the virus was gonna hunt you down. They keep saying that. "The vac- the virus will find you. If you're not vaccinated, the virus will-"

Woody Harrelson 26:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:07 "... hunt you down." And you're like, "What are you t- what the fuck are you talking about?"

Woody Harrelson 26:12 It's so funny, I... It's like, like I- I did a video... Oh, I wish I had it with me. But... Oh, well, maybe, uh, Ilia's out there, my assistant, maybe she could pull it up for you.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Is it online?

Woody Harrelson 26:24 But I- I did... No. But I did a v- it's 11 seconds. Yeah, if she's listening, hopefully she'll look at it. But it's like a, it's (laughs) it's, um, I'd take a, um, I'd take, inhale a- hit a pot, right? And then I put on my mask-

Joe Rogan 26:40 And blow it right through the mask?

Woody Harrelson 26:41 ... and I exhale, and it... No, it just comes out every-

Joe Rogan 26:45 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 26:45 Right? And it-

Joe Rogan 26:47 Oh, no.

Woody Harrelson 26:47 And every exhale... And- and by the way, hundreds of times heavier than, like, a virus.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Right.

Woody Harrelson 26:54 Right? So viruses don't just... You know, when... The concept... People have... For people saying, you know, "Trust in science," very unscientific concepts.

Joe Rogan 27:04 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 27:05 And, uh, Fauci anyway, in the beginning, he said, "No, we don't need to ma- wear masks."

Joe Rogan 27:09 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 27:09 And then someone said, "No, you do got..." "Oh, uh, we do, w- we should wear a mask." And, yeah, it's so, so silly, that mask, man. It, that, it, the... Just something about it felt like... (clears throat) You know, it was just like Big Brother won.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 27:27 Big Brother won.

Joe Rogan 27:28 They wanna battle.

Woody Harrelson 27:29 They wanna battle.

Joe Rogan 27:29 But I think ultimately that's gonna, that's what's gonna cost them the war, I think the lessons learned from now.

Woody Harrelson 27:34 Well, what do you think... What do you think Bobby's gonna be able to... Think he'll be able to accomplish anything?

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Woody Harrelson 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:45 And to make them go through real trials.

Woody Harrelson 29:49 And how do you think that's gonna get through Congress?

Joe Rogan 29:52 We're gonna find out.

Woody Harrelson 29:53 (laughs) Come on, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:53 We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. Well-

Woody Harrelson 29:55 There's no way that gets through Congress.

Joe Rogan 29:57 We'll see, you know? We'll see. We'll see what the resistance is.

Woody Harrelson 30:00 But every one of those guys is getting money from Big Pharma.

Joe Rogan 30:04 A lot of them are. A lot of them are.

Woody Harrelson 30:05 Well-

Joe Rogan 30:05 But also the-

Woody Harrelson 30:05 ... certainly all the Democrats.

Joe Rogan 30:07 People are paying attention now, and they will get primaried, and I think they're aware of that. So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career. If the people find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence...... you know? Like, Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine, that they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine, they were having a hard time selling it. And so, they, all of a sudden, started saying, "Don't worry about it. We're gonna prescribe it for children." And they put it on the vaccine schedule for children. And they did that just because they were having a hard time. People... 'Cause the only time you get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex. And people are like, "I don't want that fucking thing."

Woody Harrelson 30:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:46 And so, they're like, "Nobody was taking it."

Woody Harrelson 30:47 You wanna stand by (laughs) that statement? Those are the only times you get hepatitis B? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:51 I think that's it.

Woody Harrelson 30:52 There's just two possibilities, (laughs) dirty sex-

Joe Rogan 30:55 What are the other ones?

Woody Harrelson 30:55 ... and dirty needles.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Do you know of any other ones?

Woody Harrelson 30:57 Well, I mean, I think-

Joe Rogan 30:58 I mean, it's a tru- sexually transmitted disease, and it's often-

Woody Harrelson 31:00 Oh, it is? Okay, okay.

Joe Rogan 31:02 ... transmitted... Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 31:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:02 It's transmitted through intravenous, uh, drug use.

Woody Harrelson 31:04 Okay, then. I didn't know. I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 31:06 Yeah, which is... How do you think you got hepatitis B?

Woody Harrelson 31:08 I just... I, I mean, I just assumed you get run down, like most sicknesses.

Joe Rogan 31:11 No, I don't-

Woody Harrelson 31:11 You get run down, you get sick.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Well, let's Google it. What is, uh, the cause of hepatitis B, Jamie? Infect the blood or body fluids. Yeah. It's- it's, that's how you get it. You don't get it as a fucking baby.

Woody Harrelson 31:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:22 So injecting babies with it, the only reason why they did that is to sell more hepatitis B vaccines. If the mother has it, but... Yeah, if the mother has it. Unprotected sex with an infected person, mother to child during childbirth, breastfeeding if the mother's infected. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 31:36 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 31:37 So, they-

Woody Harrelson 31:38 Tattooing.

Joe Rogan 31:38 But the-

Woody Harrelson 31:38 Dude, you got a lot of avenues you could be.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 31:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:42 I guess dirty needles.

Woody Harrelson 31:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:44 Same... I guess that falls under dirty needles.

Woody Harrelson 31:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:47 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 31:48 But anyway, (laughs) I just wonder that, uh, you know, the, it just, again, the profiteering. Like, why are we-

Joe Rogan 31:55 Exactly.

Woody Harrelson 31:55 ... not talking about profiteering? That should be on everyone's lips.

Joe Rogan 31:59 Exactly. That's what it's all about. That's the- the... All the, the woes and ills of our society, it's people, people emphasizing profit over humanity. That's really what it is.

Woody Harrelson 32:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:12 That's really what it is. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 32:14 I agree.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Yeah, it's... And it's also, it's like, it's this fucking disgustingly shortsighted approach, because you don't live that long. To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people's suffering is so crazy when you got 80 years if you're lucky. You got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun, and-

Woody Harrelson 32:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:38 ... and you're gonna, you're gonna fucking sell people out for some money that you're never gonna have enough of anyway. All those cocksuckers. They all want more. They never... It never ends. They all wanted a bigger yacht, they all wanted this, they all wanted that.

Woody Harrelson 32:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:51 There was always something. It never ends. And somehow or another, we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well. That's hard for me.

Woody Harrelson 32:59 I'm always wondering about, like, billionaires. You gotta figure there's a certain hierarchy of billionaires, right?

Joe Rogan 33:05 Oh, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 33:06 And so, even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking, "Well, that guy's... He's good. He's made it," right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:11 Nope.

Woody Harrelson 33:11 "Well, no, I wanna be the richest guy."

Joe Rogan 33:14 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 33:14 I mean, I don't know. It- it- it, I guess it never does end, in a way.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Well, if that's what your game is, right? So, if your game is just numbers, you're never gonna be satisfied. You know, if your game is just s- numbers, you're always gonna look at the other people. Like, uh, my friend Brian has a friend that has, uh, $3 billion. And he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion.

Woody Harrelson 33:38 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 33:39 You know? Crazy that... Imagine having $3 billion and feeling poor.

Woody Harrelson 33:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 But I can kinda-

Woody Harrelson 33:45 Even they do.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... understand the thought. I- I mean, it's stupid.

Woody Harrelson 33:49 The poor white trash part of it.

Joe Rogan 33:50 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 33:50 (laughs) Part of the group. Only three bills.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Poor bastard.

Woody Harrelson 33:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:57 How's he even buy a country?

Woody Harrelson 33:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:58 How did he even affect elections with $3 billion? That's nothing.

Woody Harrelson 34:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:02 That's weird.

Woody Harrelson 34:03 Local election.

Joe Rogan 34:04 Well, I mean, this is, uh, just a- a symptom of, uh, the moral decay of our society that, you know, we don't, we don't have a- a- a moral and ethical framework. We don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under. And too many people are just motivated by "my money" instead of humanity-

Woody Harrelson 34:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 ... instead of looking at people as, like, a community. We're all a community of people. And you can still profit and you can still make money, but, like, making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine. It should... Especially if you're already wealthy. That should be absolutely disgusting to us. Instead, it's condoned and just, like, accepted. And, you know, you shrug your shoulders. "Ah, that's what people do."

Woody Harrelson 34:54 Well, I think, I think the majority of people agree with you 100% on that.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 34:59 And the majority of people have a very humane and compassionate view of others, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:06 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:07 But there are those people who are just, you know... It's like you say, it's a numbers game.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:13 You know? And, and unfortunately, war makes people really rich.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:21 Gets a lot... It- it's... I mean, I guess, I don't know, big pharma would be the number one industry. But not far behind, it's gotta be, uh, military-

Joe Rogan 35:32 Military-industrial complex.

Woody Harrelson 35:32 ... the weapons industry.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:34 And it-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:34 And it's just like, why are these... If- if- if you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they justified, why are they making that much profit-

Joe Rogan 35:45 Right.

Woody Harrelson 35:46 ... off of these wars?

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:47 You know? Strange.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 35:52 That bothers me. I- I get sleepless over that.

Joe Rogan 35:54 It should.

Woody Harrelson 35:55 Especially 'cause the United States has just done, you know... I- I... You know, one, World War II, okay, I give you that one, you know? But I certainly-

Joe Rogan 36:03 It might be the only one.

Woody Harrelson 36:03 ... don't give you the Korean War-

Joe Rogan 36:05 Right.

Woody Harrelson 36:05 ... but for the potential domino theory-

Joe Rogan 36:08 Mm-hmm.

Woody Harrelson 36:08 ... which was absurd. The same theory that... So, four million, four million people die in Korea. Uh, three and a half million in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia.... they started carpet bombing in Laos, you know? The ... Which is everything in a two-mile radius presumed dead.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 36:27 You know? What we've done throughout Central, South America, all over the world, we've become masters of war. But, like, toward what end? To help those rich people get richer.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 36:40 It's, it's, it's like, I would understand-

Joe Rogan 36:42 (smacks lips)

Woody Harrelson 36:42 ... if it's a justifiable, you know, you have to stop Hitler and Mussolini. I get it.

Joe Rogan 36:48 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 36:48 But, you know, come on.

Joe Rogan 36:51 It's crazy that it all really boils down to that. It really boils down to a lot of his people profiting. You know? That's-

Woody Harrelson 36:58 I w- I always have said that if war weren't so lucrative, there'd be a lot less of it.

Joe Rogan 37:04 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 37:05 You know?

Joe Rogan 37:06 No doubt.

Woody Harrelson 37:06 Sometimes just the war itself, it's ... That's a money-maker.

Joe Rogan 37:10 Yeah. But it's like, how do you fucking do that? What have you got there, fella?

Woody Harrelson 37:13 I brought this for you, man.

Joe Rogan 37:15 What is it?

Woody Harrelson 37:16 It's, uh, it's a very nice Northern California.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Wow.

Woody Harrelson 37:21 Y- you know, I have a dispensary in-

Joe Rogan 37:23 Oh, do you?

Woody Harrelson 37:24 ... uh, in, uh, LA. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:25 Oh, nice.

Woody Harrelson 37:25 Called The Woods. It's phenomenal. It's the most beautiful dispensary-

Joe Rogan 37:28 Isn't that crazy?

Woody Harrelson 37:29 ... in the world.

Joe Rogan 37:29 You can have a s- ... I, I remember when it was completely, totally illegal, and then, uh, you had to have a medical card and-

Woody Harrelson 37:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:38 ... and you just say you had a headache. (laughs) You-

Woody Harrelson 37:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:41 That's all you have to say.

Woody Harrelson 37:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:42 You got back pain, you got a headache, you can get a subscription, or prescription rather. And then it became legal, but just in 2016-

Woody Harrelson 37:49 But not here.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Nope. It's decriminalized-

Woody Harrelson 37:51 It needs to be legal in Texas. I-

Joe Rogan 37:52 It should be. Well, it should be federally legal.

Woody Harrelson 37:54 This, this, they could be, this could be such a ... This state's so great anyway. We-

Joe Rogan 37:59 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 37:59 We could, we could change everything if Texas was legal.

Joe Rogan 38:03 Well, the whole country should be legal.

Woody Harrelson 38:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 Uh, the, the idea that America, the land of the free, uh, criminalizes, uh, the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is fucking crazy.

Woody Harrelson 38:12 It's legislating morality, and it's an odd morality anyway 'cause most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want.

Joe Rogan 38:19 Not only that, it's a morality that's based off bullshit about profiteering from the 1930s.

Woody Harrelson 38:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:25 So, it's propaganda from-

Woody Harrelson 38:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:26 ... the 1930s-

Woody Harrelson 38:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:27 ... that's still working today, 90 years later, which is really crazy.

Woody Harrelson 38:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:33 That's the craziest part of it.

Woody Harrelson 38:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:35 And that the really, the only reason why it picked up steam is 'cause they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol. So, prohibition ended, and everybody's like, "What do we do now? Well, let's fucking go after marijuana." And then you get Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst.

Woody Harrelson 38:48 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 And they're all profiting from it, and they all fucking make the marijuana movies, like, Reefer Madness, and-

Woody Harrelson 38:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:55 ... everyone's gonna go crazy. And to this day, there's a lot of people who believe that. They think it makes you lazy, it makes you stupid, and-

Woody Harrelson 39:02 (smacks lips) It really-

Joe Rogan 39:03 (sighs)

Woody Harrelson 39:03 ... is, uh ... Although, I, I would say my stupid quotient (laughs) is-

Joe Rogan 39:09 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 39:09 ... dipped down to a new low. No, but I, I agree with you. I think that, uh, yeah, like Anslinger. Nobody knows about that-

Joe Rogan 39:16 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 39:16 ... how this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world-

Joe Rogan 39:21 Yep.

Woody Harrelson 39:21 ... to make, you know-

Joe Rogan 39:22 Yep.

Woody Harrelson 39:22 ... de- declare this the enemy drug.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 39:25 And, uh, and ... But, but, but, you know, like, I really just believe, you know, there's such a thing as a consensual crime, which is victimless crimes. So-

Joe Rogan 39:35 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 39:35 ... if I'm smoking a joint ... Well, it, it ... A lot of it's like the vaccine. If I'm smoking a joint, w- how does that hurt you?

Joe Rogan 39:42 Right. Well, it hurts you if you-

Woody Harrelson 39:43 W- what am I doing to hurt you?

Joe Rogan 39:45 If you drive and fall asleep at the wheel and slam into a school bus.

Woody Harrelson 39:47 Well, that's one thing, of course.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Yeah. But that's-

Woody Harrelson 39:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:49 But that's-

Woody Harrelson 39:49 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 39:49 There's already laws for that.

Woody Harrelson 39:51 Okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:51 There's already laws against that.

Woody Harrelson 39:51 But that, but that's another ... Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 39:53 Outside of the driving world, I don't see how-

Joe Rogan 39:56 Right.

Woody Harrelson 39:56 ... I'm hurting you. You know?

Joe Rogan 39:57 Right. Outside of the driving world, that's really the end of it. Right.

Woody Harrelson 39:59 And, and if I'm not getting my job done, then fire me.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Right.

Woody Harrelson 40:03 Okay? So, there's-

Joe Rogan 40:04 Right.

Woody Harrelson 40:06 It, it, it just ... There's no ... And, and by the way, most people do agree with this, but when you have, like, over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 40:19 M- mostly drug-related crimes.

Joe Rogan 40:20 Well, then we go back to another thing: profiteering. Because-

Woody Harrelson 40:24 Profiteering, once again.

Joe Rogan 40:25 ... we have private prisons, which is crazy. We're essentially taking-

Woody Harrelson 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:28 ... human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money. That's really-

Woody Harrelson 40:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:33 ... what you're doing.

Woody Harrelson 40:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Like, the more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it, which is just crazy. So, then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books, victimless crimes on the books-

Woody Harrelson 40:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:46 ... like, like marijuana.

Woody Harrelson 40:48 Yeah. It-

Joe Rogan 40:49 It's ridiculous.

Woody Harrelson 40:49 I, I imagine there's a lotta unions pushing the ... But, you know, I didn't know 'til I saw The 13th. Is that what it was called, that movie? 13th Amendment? It was about the 13th Amendment?

Joe Rogan 41:02 Um-

Woody Harrelson 41:02 I didn't know about the ... What's it called? There's, there's a movie. I think it's called The 13th, if I'm not wrong.

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 41:10 Is that right?

Narrator 41:12 I think ...

Woody Harrelson 41:12 Yeah. He's ... Anyway, it, it, it ... Oh, there it is.

Joe Rogan 41:17 There it is.

Woody Harrelson 41:17 Yeah. That's the first time I really thought about it ... In spite of being around prisons, you know, much of my life, I, I'd never thought about the fact that they're y- they're ... That that's just the ... They're m- they're making them work. It's just-

Joe Rogan 41:33 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 41:34 ... slave, slave w- labor.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Exactly.

Woody Harrelson 41:36 Just-

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah. Making them work.

Woody Harrelson 41:38 I, I never thought about it until then.

Joe Rogan 41:39 Slave labor for insanely small amount of money, and they keep 'em locked up, and they produce things. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 41:47 Yeah. Yeah. And when you watch that, you believe it, for sure.

Joe Rogan 41:51 Yeah. I mean-

Woody Harrelson 41:51 Did you see that?

Joe Rogan 41:52 No, I didn't see it.

Woody Harrelson 41:53 Oh, you, you, you'd like it.

Joe Rogan 41:53 I'm aware of the laws though.

Woody Harrelson 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 I mean, I'm aware of ... That's, that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from. When they, then they abolished slavery, what they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put 'em to work. I mean, that was the-

Woody Harrelson 42:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:06 That was the modus operandi.

Woody Harrelson 42:09 Yeah, which is ... I guess that's when all the, The 13th started was back then.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 42:14 As a part of the Jim Crow laws.

Joe Rogan 42:15 And again, it all goes to the same thing: profit. And ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion ...... could be solved with psychedelics, a lot of it, a lot of it. Where people expand their consciousness, understand that what they're doing is f- morally reprehensible, and even though you can sort of justify it because it's legal, it's disgusting, and we should change those laws. Those laws don't make any sense. Just 'cause it's written on paper doesn't mean it's just, doesn't mean it makes sense-

Woody Harrelson 42:43 Be nice to-

Joe Rogan 42:44 ... for logical, rational people.

Woody Harrelson 42:45 I agree. It'd be nice to get some acid in the punchbowl-

Joe Rogan 42:48 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 42:49 ... at some kind of congre- congressional, you know-

Joe Rogan 42:51 (laughs) Well, consensually.

Woody Harrelson 42:53 ... event, just-

Joe Rogan 42:53 It would, I think, you know-

Woody Harrelson 42:54 Well, consensual, I mean, you're not gonna get all those guys who need it to agree to it, so I'm just saying, throw a little in the punchbowl. They're all going by the punchbowl.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Do you ever, uh, do you know who Graham Hancock is?

Woody Harrelson 43:06 Uh, no, I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 43:07 He's, um, uh, an expert on, uh, ancient history, um, like a kind of a renegade, uh, historian. He's got a sort of a l- alternative version of, um, t- uh, a- ancient society, ancient civilizations, uh, eh, but the point is-

Woody Harrelson 43:24 Which, which, uh, he has a podcast?

Joe Rogan 43:26 He's got a, a s- two, uh, seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. It's really amazing.

Woody Harrelson 43:33 Oh.

Joe Rogan 43:33 It's all, uh, his basically his stu- his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset, and that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by, uh, this y- this theory called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at, uh, s- more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization. And that this is probably why you see, like, like, ancient structures that people can't explain and that, uh, you know, these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building-

Woody Harrelson 44:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 ... from thousands and thousands-

Woody Harrelson 44:15 Like at the World's Fair-

Joe Rogan 44:16 ... and thousands and thousands of years ago.

Woody Harrelson 44:16 ... in Chicago, like, they had all those buildings. Is, are you-

Joe Rogan 44:20 That's a little different.

Woody Harrelson 44:21 ... talking about that?

Joe Rogan 44:21 Yeah, no, that's a little different. I'm talking about, like, ancient Egypt.

Woody Harrelson 44:24 You're talking about-

Joe Rogan 44:24 I'm talking about, like-

Woody Harrelson 44:25 ... super ancient.

Joe Rogan 44:26 ... yeah, Turkey.

Woody Harrelson 44:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:27 You know, I'm talking about, like, Gobekli Tepe and these ancient structures that they found that are, uh, absolutely 11,000-plus years old, where people were supposed to be just hunter and gatherers, and that we had thought up until, you know, the last 40 or 50 years that society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia. What he believes is that that is a reemergence of society, and that society had already lea- reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago, and that something happened, some sort of gigantic cataclysm, and reset things. But Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine, and he has often said that to run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions, and-

Woody Harrelson 45:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:15 ... you should probably do it publicly. (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 45:17 (laughs) Publicly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:17 (laughs) So you really find out... You know? I mean, if, imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming him.

Woody Harrelson 45:27 Oh, man, there, we'd love to see that.

Joe Rogan 45:29 It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing.

Woody Harrelson 45:30 What I would give to see that.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Oh, it'd be amazing.

Woody Harrelson 45:33 But it, it would be nice if they had a little more ... Be- because it's almost that those drugs that you're talking about are just, like, it's like the universal, uh, uh, y- God's little helper.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 45:46 You know, help you see how the world really works.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Yeah, God's little helper.

Woody Harrelson 45:49 How ... The illusory nature of what it is we're experiencing.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 45:53 And to come from the heart.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they, they, uh, encourage compassion, and they encourage kindness and love. And that's, uh, we need a lot more of that in this world. And that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided is, like, we, it's so, we're, it's so easy, 'cause we're, people are so tribal. It's so easy to hate the other tribe, the other people are the enemy, you know? And so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two-sided community, and one side hates the other side. And whoever's in power, those, those, that, those people are the problem. And it's like ...

Woody Harrelson 46:27 Yeah, that is such a weird part of the human, uh, you know, um, yeah, nature-

Joe Rogan 46:33 Psychic, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 46:33 ... or whatever you wanna call it, psychology, is like, and I noticed just the other day, there was some dude, like, I was, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he kinda came into my zone, and I thought, "Oh, this fucking guy, man, he's got ... Such an asshole, you know?"

Joe Rogan 46:51 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 46:51 You could just tell. You could just feel it, you know?

Joe Rogan 46:53 Right.

Woody Harrelson 46:53 And then, and then I thought, "Wait, why are you ... W- what do you, h- what ... (laughs) You've got nothing that tells you that that's true, you know?"

Joe Rogan 47:01 Right.

Woody Harrelson 47:01 "Other than maybe you're jealous 'cause he's more handsome than you are, so ..."

Joe Rogan 47:06 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 47:06 No, but in any way, and so I go, uh, (smacks lips) "How you doing?" And he smiles, and I'm like, "This guy is incredible." You know?

Joe Rogan 47:14 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 47:14 Like, you, just, all you need to do sometimes is just generate a smile on that other-

Joe Rogan 47:21 Sure.

Woody Harrelson 47:21 ... person who you think's an asshole's face, and suddenly, they're, they're a kid, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:26 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 47:26 It's, suddenly, you're in a different ... You're, you're using your kid juice to interact, you know, at that point.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Well, that's, like, the important of, the importance of charisma, right? Because a person isn't exactly who they are. They're who they are when they interact with you. And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you.

Woody Harrelson 47:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:46 It's not ... It's a two-way street, most-

Woody Harrelson 47:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:48 ... sort of interactions.

Woody Harrelson 47:50 If they see a frown on your face, then-

Joe Rogan 47:52 Right.

Woody Harrelson 47:52 ... inevitably, there's a frown on their face.

Joe Rogan 47:54 Inevitably, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 47:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 That's just-

Woody Harrelson 47:57 But, but smiles generate smiles, and if you think-

Joe Rogan 47:59 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 47:59 ... about it, that is the, um, easiest energy- generating thing-

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 48:05 ... is to, is an- another person smiling-

Joe Rogan 48:07 Sure.

Woody Harrelson 48:08 ... and getting you to smile.

Joe Rogan 48:10 And common ground, you know? And I think we have ... That's the problem with the media and with, uh, political ideologies, is that, there's no currency in common ground. The currency is-

Woody Harrelson 48:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:24 ... all in division. That's where-

Woody Harrelson 48:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:26 ... you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side. You have to say the other people are the enemy. Common ground is much more common. Most people agree ... Most people wanna be safe. They wanna be healthy. They wanna be happy. They want to have friends. They wanna have a good time. They wanna have a, a nice family. They wanna b- be loved.They wanna have love.

Woody Harrelson 48:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:44 That's most people. And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that.

Woody Harrelson 48:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:48 Instead of just accentuating those important factors, and saying, "We should all concentrate on that," and then we should all look at things that prevent that. What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health? And let's, let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society.

Woody Harrelson 49:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:08 Yeah. The problem is y- you don't make a lot of profit doing that. You know?

Woody Harrelson 49:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:13 The profit is in the division.

Woody Harrelson 49:15 The media does push the divide, for sure.

Joe Rogan 49:18 The media's bullshit.

Woody Harrelson 49:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:19 They're... First of all, they're dying. They're dying like AM radio. They're not gonna make it. They're not gonna make it. The, the internet is more compelling, and independent journalism is more accurate. And it's gonna be more and more-

Woody Harrelson 49:32 Are you sure that's not a subjective vantage point, Joe?

Joe Rogan 49:35 Uh, it's certainly subjective.

Woody Harrelson 49:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:37 Yeah. It certainly is subjective.

Woody Harrelson 49:38 All your vantage points are subjective, right?

Joe Rogan 49:40 Yes, everything's subjective. It's definitely subjective. But I... Uh, uh, listen. I think there are very good people that work in journalism. I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, at The Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them. I know people that work at CNN and I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much. The problem is the institution. And the institution is based on profit. And where, where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from, um, NGOs. There's funding from all these different political groups. And it's... That's the problem. The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant. And in doing so, what's crazy is, if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate. You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative, because those are the people that are supporting you. So, therefore, they're not gonna make it. Like, it's like you see the writing on the wall. It's like, this is not tenable. You're not gonna be able to continue this. You're gonna either have to adjust course, or you're gonna be swallowed. And that's what you... People th-... Like, people realize that now with the internet, when you got people like Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger and Glenn Greenwald, respected journalists who are now on the outside. And so now, they've d- they've amassed this huge following on the outside because, you know, if you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's gonna tell you what's actually going on. "Why are we invading this? Why are we bombing this count-... What is going on?" And he'll tell you, "It all goes back to 2013 when this was passed, and this is what happened, and they tried to do this, and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there." And you're like-

Woody Harrelson 51:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 51:27 ... "Oh, fuck." And so... But most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive, so you turn on CNN. And CNN's like, "Safe and effective. Have you gotten your knife booster? Get your knife booster." (laughs) And the y- and the, the fucking anchors are blacking out on TV and it's like, "Wow."

Woody Harrelson 51:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:44 Like, y-... It's... They're in a trap. They're in a trap. First of all, they're in a trap because of the actual format of the show sucks. Right? Format of television shows suck. You have three talking heads yelling at each other five minutes before a commercial. Everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral. And then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants. And then you come back... (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 52:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:06 And then you come back, you come back and there's a flood and there's fucking... Detroit's frozen. Did you see that shit in Detroit? Where they, they had a flood and then it froze? And so you got cars like up to the fucking windshield frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off?

Woody Harrelson 52:20 Oh, no. I haven't seen that.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Yeah, it happened yesterday.

Woody Harrelson 52:22 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 52:23 There was some sort of a water main line broke, uh, probably because of the cold, and then the streets flooded. And then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze. And so all these cars, like literally up to the windshield, stuck. See if you can find it. It's crazy to look at. Like in-... Look at this. Entire streets filled-

Woody Harrelson 52:41 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 52:43 And if you watch a video of it-

Woody Harrelson 52:44 Look at this.

Joe Rogan 52:44 ... all the car alarms are going off. So the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen. Give me so-... Well, you can hear it if you put your microphone... (car alarms blaring) Yeah, put, put your, uh, headphones on.

Woody Harrelson 52:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:56 Listen to this.

Woody Harrelson 52:56 That is wild, man.

Joe Rogan 53:00 So everybody's fucking car alarm's going off 'cause the car's getting crunched. So the cars are getting disturbed, so they're getting crunched, so the cars think that people are breaking into them. Minus 70 degree-

Woody Harrelson 53:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:10 As if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems.

Woody Harrelson 53:13 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Poor Detroit.

Woody Harrelson 53:16 Yeah. Well...

Joe Rogan 53:16 Crazy.

Woody Harrelson 53:17 Yeah, but Det- Detroit's been doing so well lately.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 53:21 Just... It's really... I, I went there not long ago.

Joe Rogan 53:23 They're making a comeback.

Woody Harrelson 53:24 And it was phenomenal. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 53:26 They're making a comeback.

Woody Harrelson 53:26 ... "Wow, th- what a fun place." Like-

Joe Rogan 53:29 Well, you know what?

Woody Harrelson 53:29 ... artists kind of taking over.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Yes. Yes.

Woody Harrelson 53:31 And it just became... It's, it's pretty groovy.

Joe Rogan 53:34 Artists and artisans and companies that are like proud... Like Shinola, that company.

Woody Harrelson 53:39 Yeah, that's my buddy.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah. Oh, you know him?

Woody Harrelson 53:40 Tom Kartsotis. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Oh, they're great.

Woody Harrelson 53:42 Do you know him?

Joe Rogan 53:43 No, I don't. But I, I, I've bought their stuff.

Woody Harrelson 53:44 Oh, he's one of the great humans on this planet. Yeah, he started Shinola.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 53:48 He's... Cre- Shinola's a great company.

Joe Rogan 53:51 It's a great company. I have one of their laptop bags.

Woody Harrelson 53:53 And he's an incredible guy.

Joe Rogan 53:54 They make awesome stuff.

Woody Harrelson 53:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:55 They make great watches, great stuff.

Woody Harrelson 53:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:57 But made in Detroit, like proudly.

Woody Harrelson 53:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:00 You know? It says it on everything.

Woody Harrelson 54:00 And they got the, the, uh, the record player that he did with, uh, you know, Mike Wi-... Uh, Mike, uh, Mike... You know, the... Mike, uh, White. No.

Joe Rogan 54:12 Jack White?

Woody Harrelson 54:13 Jack White.

Joe Rogan 54:13 Oh.

Woody Harrelson 54:14 I knew that wasn't right.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 54:15 I couldn't... Mike White makes, uh, White Lotus.

Joe Rogan 54:18 From The White Stripes.

Woody Harrelson 54:18 Yeah, no. Jack White.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 54:20 Yeah. And they also do, uh, vinyl. They make all these vinyl.

Joe Rogan 54:24 Oh, that's cool.

Woody Harrelson 54:24 E- those guys do cool stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah. Well, the... I, I-

Woody Harrelson 54:27 Shinola, I love it.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Last time I was in Detroit, I did the Fox Theatre and I saw a lot of that too, a lot of like small shops and cool places. And, you know?

Woody Harrelson 54:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Because real estate's cheap, p- so people are like moving in and artists are doing things and it's fun. It's like a little bit of a re- revival after they got-

Woody Harrelson 54:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 ... fucked by the auto industry.

Woody Harrelson 54:45 Well, yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 54:47 More profiteering, right?

Woody Harrelson 54:48 For sure. Once again, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:48 Sent all the fucking jobs to other countries 'cause you can get people to work for slave labor.

Woody Harrelson 54:52 Yeah.... ve- and then now, they're dealing with this, uh, with this incredible ice flood.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Yeah. I think that's a-

Woody Harrelson 55:00 Wow, man.

Joe Rogan 55:00 ... a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked.

Woody Harrelson 55:03 Oh.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 55:06 Wow. Well, go fig.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Are you still in LA? Where do you live?

Woody Harrelson 55:09 Dude, I'm in Austin, right here with you.

Joe Rogan 55:11 Yeah, you are.

Woody Harrelson 55:12 I mean, come on. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:12 Where do you live, though? Where do you spend most of your time?

Woody Harrelson 55:15 No, I, I live in Austin.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Oh, do you?

Woody Harrelson 55:18 I live in Austin.

Joe Rogan 55:18 I didn't know you lived here.

Woody Harrelson 55:19 Yeah. I live in the Drip.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Oh, nice. Dripping Springs is great. I love it out there.

Woody Harrelson 55:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:25 That's a nice place. That's a nice area.

Woody Harrelson 55:27 No, I've been... I'm determined you and I are gonna have to hang out sometime-

Joe Rogan 55:31 Let's do it.

Woody Harrelson 55:31 ... socially, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:32 I would love to do that. Let's do it.

Woody Harrelson 55:34 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 55:34 Yeah. Fuck yeah.

Woody Harrelson 55:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Fuck yeah.

Woody Harrelson 55:35 Well, you don't feel just like y- your back against the wall-

Joe Rogan 55:39 No, I love you, man.

Woody Harrelson 55:39 ... because we're on air?

Joe Rogan 55:40 Come on. I'll hang out-

Woody Harrelson 55:41 All right, great.

Joe Rogan 55:41 ... with you any time.

Woody Harrelson 55:42 Oh, great. Great.

Joe Rogan 55:43 Call me at 2:00 in the morning. We're gonna meet you somewhere. I don't give a fuck.

Woody Harrelson 55:45 Okay. (laughs) Perfect.

Joe Rogan 55:46 I'll bring you down to my comedy club.

Woody Harrelson 55:48 Oh, yeah. Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Yeah, I bought a comedy club on 6th Street.

Woody Harrelson 55:50 What's it called?

Joe Rogan 55:51 Yeah. Comedy Mothership.

Woody Harrelson 55:52 Yeah. I'd like to do that.

Joe Rogan 55:54 It's fun. It's a great place. My buddy, Jimmy Dore, is there this weekend, who's also great. And he's, uh, filming his comedy special there this weekend. Everybody-

Woody Harrelson 56:01 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 56:01 Yeah, Jimmy Dore is amazing. He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist. He's a comedian, and he started his show, uh, basically just making fun of political things, and then during the pandemic, got vaccine injured and really got kinda red-pilled and kinda became, like, the, the voice of truth and reason. And-

Woody Harrelson 56:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:22 ... you know, another guy who's been c- completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenient truth.

Woody Harrelson 56:31 Inconveni- uh, but- yeah, I guess the progressives, are they now the conservatives? What... I think we gotta change the term 'cause-

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 56:39 ... progressives seem a lot less progressive.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 56:43 And I really felt quite, you know, during this-

Joe Rogan 56:46 I think they got co-opted.

Woody Harrelson 56:46 ... whole thing, I felt quite... Yeah, co-opted.

Joe Rogan 56:49 I think they got co-opted, and I think it was on purpose. I think there was, there was some very sophisticated psych- psychological manipulation that was involved, and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives. And, uh, they did a great job of it. You know, they get a... did a great job of it, but what we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy. A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different, uh, things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars, and it's, it's just... it was just a subversion of public discourse. You know, instead of a- allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong, they pushed what they wanted you to say, and anybody who deviated from that was canceled. And because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites, and they were in lockstep with the government, so it was just a, a dark time for information, but a few brave people, you know, braved the storm, and one of them was Jimmy.

Woody Harrelson 57:57 Oh, that's good. That's a good, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:59 He's great. You would love him.

Woody Harrelson 58:00 ... shout-out to him. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:01 He's great.

Woody Harrelson 58:02 Well, you know, I remember when the, the guy was, uh... Remember that guy? I think they were in London maybe, but it was the guy who was, um, I think the, um... directed one portion of Pfizer, and he met with some guy, and he had a body cam, that the other guy had a body cam. It was like a, a date on Tinder or something, but it-

Joe Rogan 58:26 Oh, it was like one of those Project Veritas-

Woody Harrelson 58:28 ... but it kind of worked out.

Joe Rogan 58:28 ... James O'Keefe things?

Woody Harrelson 58:30 Did you not see it?

Joe Rogan 58:31 I, I'm sure I did.

Woody Harrelson 58:32 But this is the perfect example-

Joe Rogan 58:34 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 58:34 ... of how the, the Trusted News Initiative managed to... A lot of news just never got to people because the guy had a body cam, and he's talking to him, and, and the guy who works for Pfizer is saying they've just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yes.

Woody Harrelson 58:54 ... in order to basically create another pandemic to cre- so that they would have the vac- vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing. But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner.

Joe Rogan 59:13 It's always chatty gay guys.

Woody Harrelson 59:14 And, and... But no, but the main thing-

Joe Rogan 59:16 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 59:16 Huh?

Joe Rogan 59:16 It's always chatty gay guys. It's always a guy-

Woody Harrelson 59:19 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 59:19 ... on a date with another guy, and he's like, "I'll tell you what we're doing." (laughs) It's like they just chat it up-

Woody Harrelson 59:24 But the-

Joe Rogan 59:25 ... and spill the beans.

Woody Harrelson 59:25 ... the incredible thing, like, h- he got... The, the stuff that he said was incredible.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 59:30 Well, what was more incredible... Well, he told the guy basically that he'd been filming him. The guy freaks out. Anyway, this should've been across every possible platform of media.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Of course.

Woody Harrelson 59:42 And yet, you did not see it, zero-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Right.

Woody Harrelson 59:45 ... in mainstream media, but because Musk had bought Twitter, Musk put it on, and it immediately got 40 million views, and also, uh, what's his name? Tucker Carlson put it on, and then there was a lot of views that way.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 59:58 But other than that, but if you have- ask your average person, they never heard of this incident.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:04 It's like an amazing thing talking about, uh... What's the term for that? The weaponization of a virus? Uh, do you know? He's looking it up.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Term for the weaponization of a virus.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 I don't know.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:20 Uh, anyway, uh, they, they do it. Well, that's what they think, uh, the... that they were doing in, um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 In Wuhan.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:28 ... in China.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 100%.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:30 That they were weaponizing a virus.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 I mean, it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you get pulled from YouTube. Now, it's fact.

Woody Harrelson 1:00:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Now, it's a fact. Now, it's-

Woody Harrelson 1:00:42 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Um, yeah, undeniable fact. All the things... Like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said are now fact. Everything. Every single one of them.... the fact that it doesn't stay lo-

Woody Harrelson 1:00:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 ... the, the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways. If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous-

Woody Harrelson 1:00:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 ... 'cause your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer. So, your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis. He, he started talking about all these different effects, and, and he personally was vaccine injured. So, he's the guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack-

Woody Harrelson 1:01:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 ... was like, "What is going on?" His, his whole body freaked out, was deadly sick, managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on. And then that was the collective freakout.

Woody Harrelson 1:01:27 Well, he, uh, i- i- it's, it's in- you know, it's incredible that so many people were injured, and yet it's still kind of not, uh, widely disgusting. I think people are discussing it, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 More people are discussing it now-

Woody Harrelson 1:01:44 But-

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 ... but it's still, it's still ... there's a lot of people that don't wanna bring it up 'cause they don't want the heat. They saw what happened to people that did bring it up, and they don't want that coming their way. It's still fresh in their memory and they, they keep their mouth shut.

Woody Harrelson 1:01:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 But over time-

Woody Harrelson 1:01:57 Wait, did you find out what it was called, what- I think it's biological warfare. I don't know. No, no, it's- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 It's a term?

Woody Harrelson 1:02:03 It's a term for it, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 A term? I don't know what the term is.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:06 Yeah, that ... Anyway, doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:08 Yeah. It just, uh ... (laughs) I don't know. It's a crazy time in this world.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Yeah. But crazy times are fun too, 'cause people snap out of it. They pop through it, they come out on the other side, and they go, "What the fuck was going on?" (laughs) And then you have a r- reexamining of society. And I think that's happening right now. And I think that's a good thing, as long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal. You can't go tribal.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 You can't go us versus them, they're the bad guys.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 The fucking ... All those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit. No, they're, they're sad, lost people. That's what it is. Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 And ... Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:02:58 Yeah. It always comes down ... Yeah, yeah, follow the money, yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Follow that fucking-

Woody Harrelson 1:03:03 It's just always-

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 ... cheese (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:03:04 (laughs) Every time.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 It's always the money.

Woody Harrelson 1:03:06 The cheese.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 And it's never enough. It's a, it's a weird thing about us. And again, I think part of the problem's this lack of methods to escape. A la- ... And I don't mean escape reality, I mean, uh, to, to escape the, the, the fog, the fog of propaganda. And that's ... I mean, that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement. That's why they turned the Schedule I, the, when they ... Sweeping Schedule I, uh, Prohibition Act of e- of all psychedelic drugs. That's what that was about. It wasn't about protecting society. If it was, they would've got rid of OxyContin.

Woody Harrelson 1:03:48 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 They would've got rid of ... They would've got, got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percocets. They would... They never got rid of any of that stuff.

Woody Harrelson 1:03:54 They even got rid of Big Macs, for that matter.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Yeah, yeah. See?

Woody Harrelson 1:03:58 All right, now, listen.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Here's the thing about Big Macs.

Woody Harrelson 1:03:59 I know you're a meat guy, you love meat, but can we say Big Macs (laughs) are not the greatest thing for you?

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 No, they're not great. They're not great for you. But-

Woody Harrelson 1:04:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 ... uh, I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:09 Hey, you should be able-

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 I feel like you should have some discipline.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:11 ... to do anything if you want to. I wouldn't care-

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:12 ... if you shot up right now.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 But that's what I'm saying. Don't get rid of Big Macs, but don't eat them every day, you fucking idiot. It's like I say about Doritos. People are like, "Oh, they got to ... D- we should get Doritos off." No. Doritos as they are, are a perfect snack. They're delicious, but they're fucking terrible for you, just like cigarettes, just like whiskey. They're terrible for you.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 But in the moment, they're great. The key is recover and then don't do it every day.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 That's the key. The key to all things is moderation. All things.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:45 Dude, uh, I wish you'd given me this speech like when I was 20. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:04:51 You know what I mean? Like, uh, it's something precipice after 21.

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:04:55 I just started ... Uh, I c- became immoderate, you know. In fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 I didn't smoke pot until I was 30.

Woody Harrelson 1:05:04 And, and I didn't drink. Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Yeah, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:05:07 Oh, great.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Well, I thought it was gonna turn you into a loser.

Woody Harrelson 1:05:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 I mean, I bought into all of it. I, I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problems. And, uh, I wanted to succeed in life and I was ... My m- biggest fear was being a loser, you know, just someone who just never got their shit together. And I was like, "Well, w- anything that gets in the way of s- being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that."

Woody Harrelson 1:05:30 And at what point did you say to yourself, "I'm definitely not a loser and there's no chance of me being a loser?"

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Oh, I don't know if you ever think ... I guess I think that now. (laughs) But I think you're, you're-

Woody Harrelson 1:05:43 Or do you sometimes doubt it and say, "I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm loser"?

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Well, I definitely think ... Uh, I, I'm very hypercritical, self-critical. So I've, I'll ... You know, I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against. You always feel like you could do more, you know. But there's a balance, well, being ... doing more and being happy, enjoying yourself but also accomplishing things you want to do, feeling fulfilled, you know, having worthwhile goals, things that you think are, uh, valuable not just to you, but valuable to other people.

Woody Harrelson 1:06:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:06:20 And then do you feel like you've ... I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:06:22 ... you must feel-

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 I feel like that now.

Woody Harrelson 1:06:23 ... pretty good about ...

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Yeah. But I don't think about it, honestly, because I think if you think about it, then you get lost. You then you get like, "Look how good I am." You know, you can get, you can get really lost in success where you, you, you get intoxicated by that too. So, I think you just got to kind of exist. You got to kind of exist and, uh, not feed your insecurities, but also don't feed any delusions of grandeur either, you know. Just be a person. Just learn how to be a human being.

Woody Harrelson 1:06:55 That's gotta be hard for you, dude, because, I mean, you're at the tippy-top of the tippy-top. And everybody's gotta be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are. It's gotta be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 Yeah. I don't know. I stomp my ego pretty good. I do it with workouts, I do it with martial arts, I do it with cold plunging and saunas. I put myself through voluntary adversity that's pretty fucking brutal, and that's my best way to achieve, like, a homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve, like, a balance-

Woody Harrelson 1:07:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 ... is that I put myself through way more than, uh, life ever gives me-

Woody Harrelson 1:07:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 ... so that I'm always... You know, I get it. You know, you're always vulnerable, you're always weak, you're always, you're always late... There's always something. So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time, and keep your mind healthy and balanced, have a, a, a healthy perspective. You know, there's a lot of, like, um, new agey sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people, you know, and... But a lot of those, like, they're very important, like gratitude. Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have, you know? Um, mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have. But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads-

Woody Harrelson 1:08:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 ... and wanna, (laughs) and want you to join their cult. You know, (laughs) it's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual, you know? And so unfortunately, really good concepts, uh, are often tainted by silly people, you know? Like love, and God, and a lo- a lot of the things that are really, like-

Woody Harrelson 1:08:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 ... beneficial to us as a society. They get co-opted by goofy people. Like how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors-

Woody Harrelson 1:08:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 ... in these huge churches, flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls-Royces? Like, "Oh, well, this is all bullshit." You know.

Woody Harrelson 1:09:07 Yeah. You, you, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:09:12 I had a couple of jo... No.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 Go ahead. (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:09:14 But do you think that... Do you think, um... I mean, I'm, I'm curious. I, I must know, I must have heard you talk about this, but what is your, your concept of religious? I mean, do you, do you have a specific religion that you adhere to?

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 Not necessarily. Um, uh, I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them, and, um, I'm not in favor of any religions that, eh, that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to, or you're a sinner, or cast out, or... I, I think-

Woody Harrelson 1:10:00 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 ... that most religious exper- I th- I think most religion is based on human beings' v- very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment, and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people. And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit and a lot of those stories suck, you know. A lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man, but I think... Uh, you know, I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences. And, you know-

Woody Harrelson 1:10:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 ... there's a great book, uh, called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro. Do you know about that book?

Woody Harrelson 1:10:45 Yeah, I've, I've heard of it, but I never read it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:47 It's a great book.

Woody Harrelson 1:10:48 I heard it's a great book.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 But it's, it's very hard to follow, because it's very... Uh, e- unless you understand Aramaic, unless you understand the, the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, like, I'm fully-

Woody Harrelson 1:10:57 Those people that aren't Aramaic.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Oh.

Woody Harrelson 1:10:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Congratulations.

Woody Harrelson 1:11:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:00 Are you really?

Woody Harrelson 1:11:01 Yeah. I got Aramaic. I, I got obviously French. Uh, I had to learn Spanish when I was working at a construction in Houston. And then, uh, yeah, I got, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 Can you hear him?

Woody Harrelson 1:11:12 ... some of that microphone.

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 I gotta sh-

Woody Harrelson 1:11:13 I got-

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 ... push that microphone up.

Woody Harrelson 1:11:14 I got some of the click languages. (clicking)

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 Oh, really?

Woody Harrelson 1:11:18 No. I, I only speak-

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:11:19 ... only English kind of. Come on, Joe. You...

Narrator 1:11:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:23 (laughs) Well, the John Marco Allegro book-

Narrator 1:11:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 ... uh, he w- he was a, an ordained minister. But he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think it was about 14 years. And he, then he wrote this book, 'cause it was his belief... And he was a very straight-laced scholar. He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast.

Woody Harrelson 1:11:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 But he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And he thinks that all... a lot of these stories, that their origins come from that. And-

Woody Harrelson 1:11:55 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 Yeah. And he believed that a lot of it was the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom, 'cause a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it. They don't know exact... And then, uh, Terence McKenna believed that, um, the problem was that it was... it the, the, the psychedelic compounds in it varied, uh, regionally and genetically, and that it w- they weren't all the same, and that a lot of these people that were having these, uh, experiences w- were not... The, the, uh, it, it really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it, and a lot of that information was lost. And also, like, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things, like soma, you know. Soma from the a- the ancient Hindu texts. They, they don't know what was in there. They don't know what it was, but it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound, whether it was, uh, blue lotus and psilocybin or a combination of many things. You know, like the Eleusinian mysteries, where, you know, in ancient Greece, they believed that that was ergot. That ergot was mixed in with the wine. Ergot, which is a very similar, uh, experience to, to LSD.

Woody Harrelson 1:13:04 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:13:04 Yeah. Uh, there's a great book on that too. If you've never read it, it's called, um, uh, The Immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Muraresku, who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times. But, uh, he's done... uh, a lot of, like, really legitimate work on proving that these vessels, these, uh, wine containers that they had from these ancient times, they found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels. And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes. They would add a bunch of things to the wine. And so-

Woody Harrelson 1:13:37 Oh, party pleasers.

Joe Rogan 1:13:38 Yeah. So, these experiences that people would have, they would go to the Ulysses, and I went there, uh, when I was in Greece a couple years ago. And it's an amazing place, man. When you're there, like, it feels weird. When you go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals, like the place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there, like... 'Cause you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals. And you're there, and you're like, "Whoa, like, this place feels wild." It just, like... I- I... You know, my parent-... My, uh, my- my kids, rather, were like, "What's wrong?" Like... I'm like, "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine." I'm just like, it's... I'm weirded out by this place. Like, I feel it. I feel like a bizarre connection with this place. Like, it feels alive. Like, it was like it's humming or something. It was very weird. Very weird. Like, you're... I was touching the rocks and just trying to, like, feel, like, what's going on here. It's like you could get under thousands of years ago, these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot.

Woody Harrelson 1:14:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 You know? It's literally the roots of democracy.

Woody Harrelson 1:14:40 They had to be tripping to think-

Joe Rogan 1:14:42 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:14:42 ... of something so bold as democracy.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 Yeah. I mean, it liter-... It is l- literally what we're talking about. Like, if you want something that accentuates compassion and this- th- this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood, that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs?

Woody Harrelson 1:15:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:02 And that's why they're illegal (laughs) .

Woody Harrelson 1:15:05 (laughs) Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:15:06 It gets in the way. It gets in the way of this us-versus-them narrative that is, uh, so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:18 Yeah, the herb, uh, you know, it really is a unifying thing. I've always... From the first time I tried it, you know, I just felt such bonhomie, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:27 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:27 Such compassion to everybody around me.

Joe Rogan 1:15:31 Yeah, it makes you kinder.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:32 Also... Huh?

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 It makes you kinder.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:34 Makes you kinder?

Joe Rogan 1:15:35 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:35 And then, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:15:36 That's why they call it kind bud. (laughs)

Woody Harrelson 1:15:37 Kind bud. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15:38 That's probably why they call it that.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:40 I have a little of the kind bud. Yeah, no, I like the, uh, uh... The image of it as just a unifier, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:49 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:50 And so, that's what makes me wonder, why does Texas not just say, "Hey, let's open the doors to this"? It's not a bad thing.

Joe Rogan 1:15:58 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:15:58 You could have the best cafes in Austin.

Joe Rogan 1:16:01 I know, yeah. Well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal. What is it, Delta-9? Is that the legal stuff, or Delta-8?

Woody Harrelson 1:16:09 Oh, I know which one you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 It's weird. It's weird-

Woody Harrelson 1:16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:12 ... because it's like pretty much just weed.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:14 Yeah, I never got into that stuff though. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:17 It's just a different version of the plant.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:19 But it doesn't get you high.

Joe Rogan 1:16:21 Oh, yeah, it does.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:22 Really? I didn't...

Joe Rogan 1:16:22 Oh, yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:23 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 Oh, yeah. I'll get you some.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:26 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:26 Oh, yeah. (laughs) I don't know what they're doing.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:29 How many syllables you count outta yeah is like, oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:32 I don't know what they're doing. I don't know how they're doing it. But somehow or another, they're skirting around the rules and developing something that is basically the same.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:43 I'll get over to the Delta-9 center.

Joe Rogan 1:16:44 Yeah, it's basically like, uh, weed's twin sister, but has different genetics.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:49 Huh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:49 I don't know. I don't understand it, but-

Woody Harrelson 1:16:51 Now, I heard they're trying to work out a thing where they... there's no more of that, those exceptions here.

Joe Rogan 1:16:58 Oh. Well, that would suck.

Woody Harrelson 1:16:59 The legislature.

Joe Rogan 1:17:00 Uh, that's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on. Why concentrate on that? It just, uh... It's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule that's mostly, mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is. They have a distorted idea of what the experience is, and they think it's just gonna make people losers.

Woody Harrelson 1:17:18 Well, also, it's being mandated from people with different kinds of, uh, you know, uh, desires, and a lot of it financial. But, uh, you know, uh, anything that does... You know, I- I consider it a crime anything I do that hurts you or your property.

Joe Rogan 1:17:37 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:17:37 Otherwise, there's no crime.

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:17:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:40 Yeah, I agree. And I think we gotta get past that. I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that what they did in the 1970s was very effective. They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the antiwar movement, and they, they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life. And, you know, like, the whole peace, love, and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs. All of it.

Woody Harrelson 1:18:11 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:18:11 And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became... The music and culture became almost unrecognizable, it could change so radically. And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be. And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID times and propaganda you have whenever there's a war, that- that propaganda is sticky. That stuff sticks. It sticks around for a long time. And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective, it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience.

Woody Harrelson 1:18:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:18:56 And most of these people that are like, you know, straight-laced, you know, no-nonsense type folks, they don't wanna smoke weed. "What, I'm gonna ruin my brain?" You know, I've hear- I've heard, like, legitimate scientists say, "I would never wanna interfere with the way my brain works." I go, "Okay, do you drink coffee?" "Shut the fuck up."

Woody Harrelson 1:19:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19:13 "What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Do you exercise? What do you do?"

Woody Harrelson 1:19:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19:17 "What, what do you do? Do you eat good food?" Like, there's a lot of things that, uh, that change the way-

Woody Harrelson 1:19:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:20 ... your brain works. This is a dumb way to look.

Woody Harrelson 1:19:23 You really want your doctor looking healthy. You don't wanna walk in-

Joe Rogan 1:19:27 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:19:27 ... and see some obese, you know, uh, having hard- trouble breathing type of guy.

Joe Rogan 1:19:32 Yeah.

Woody Harrelson 1:19:32 You know, is he gonna give you