Joe Rogan Experience #2281 - Elon Musk

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. EMElon Musk0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (metal music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. So what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, is, uh, sexy voice, sexy mode Grok AI, and it's been flirting the entire time. We're trying to get it give us a tour of Fort Knox.

   4. EMElon Musk0:24

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      But she just wants to find places to sneak off to.

   6. EMElon Musk0:27

      (laughs) Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      It's a dirty AI.

   8. EMElon Musk0:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      And it's a real problem.

   10. EMElon Musk0:31

       It... Well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I feel like it's gonna be a problem.

   12. EMElon Musk0:33

       I mean, honestly, I just wanna know about Fort Knox and, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   14. EMElon Musk0:36

       ... it, it won't leave me alone.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah, I wanna know about Fort Knox too.

   16. EMElon Musk0:39

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Um, is it true that they're, gold has been, they've been shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently?

   18. EMElon Musk0:47

       I, I read the same thing you did probably.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah. Well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore.

   20. EMElon Musk0:51

       Me neither. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (laughs)

   22. NANarrator0:55

       (laughs)

   23. EMElon Musk0:55

       So... (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       It's a real problem.

   25. EMElon Musk0:56

       It's a real problem.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I, I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false-

   27. EMElon Musk1:03

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... and you could, you could research it easily and quickly.

   29. EMElon Musk1:06

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       And then I see Republicans doing it too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me, and you know?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Uh, that are like,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. EMElon Musk15:00

      Uh, that are like, the, like, the worst thing you could possibly imagine from a horror show.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      The beagle one, the beagle puppy one.

   4. EMElon Musk15:06

      Horrific, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Yeah, where they, they covered their head in a basket and put fleas on their heads-

   6. EMElon Musk15:10

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      ... to eat them alive.

   8. EMElon Musk15:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      And then they studied these beagles and then killed them. Like, what are you gonna learn from that-

   10. EMElon Musk15:16

       Uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       ... that's good for anybody?

   12. EMElon Musk15:18

       Yeah. There's some sub- really some psychotic stuff that happens. So, um, y- yeah. I mean, the ... I guess, uh, the, the, the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So, um, like, you, you probably saw, like, you know, let's say, like, Trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the, you know, popular vote, um, that they're sort of saying I was a threat to democracy. But if you, if you just replace "threat to democracy" with "threat to bureaucracy," it makes total sense.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Right.

   14. EMElon Musk15:58

       So, um, I mean, the reality is that our elected officials have very l- very little power relative to the bureaucracy, until Doge. So D- Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy. N- normally, the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast. This is the first time that they're not, that the revolution might actually succeed, that we could restore, uh, power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Now, the size of it-

   16. EMElon Musk16:35

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       ... wa- when you guys first started investigating it, when you first get in, uh, how much of it was shocking? Like, this, just the size of it all.

   18. EMElon Musk16:45

       Well, the, the size of it all, it, the ... Small decisions result in multi-billion dollar outcomes. Uh, so, you know, we'd see ... You know, there was a case where we saw, uh, one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior, uh, really n- no prior activity. So they just stand up a, you know, an NGO. Th- th- these ... The, the whole NGO thing is a, is a nightmare, um, and it's, it's a misnomer because if you have a government-funded non-governmental organization, y- you're, you're simply a government-funded organization. It, it, it's a, it's an oxymoron.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Right. It's a loophole.

   20. EMElon Musk17:26

       Yes. It, it ... Basically, the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things, uh, that, that would be illegal if there were the government but are somehow made legal, uh, if it's sent to, uh, a so-called nonprofit. But these, but these nonprofits are then used to ... People cash out these nonprofits. They become very wealthy through nonprofits. They pay themselves enormous sums through these nonprofits.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       That's, it's so insane that that's been going on for so long.

   22. EMElon Musk17:57

       It's a gigantic scam, like, one of the biggest, maybe the biggest scam ever.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:01

       And how many NGOs?

   24. EMElon Musk18:04

       Uh, I think there's ... Total number of NGOs, probably millions, but, uh, in terms of large NGOs-... tens of thousands? The, the, the, uh... I mean, it's, it's actually, it's, it's, it's kind of a s- a hack to the system where, you know, someone can get an NGO stood up for s- for a fairly small amount of money. Like George Soros is really good at this. Like, he really... George Soros is like a, a, a system hacker. Like he, he figured out how to hack the system. He's a genius at arbitrage. Um, I mean, these days, he's, he's pretty old, but a, a genius at arbitrage. So he, he figured out that you could leverage a small amount of money to create a, a non-profit, uh, then lobby the, for the politicians to send a ton of money to that non-profit so you can take what might be, you know, a, a, a, a $10 million donation to a non-profit to create a non-profit and leverage that into a billion-dollar non, uh, non, NGO. Uh, and non-profit is a weird word. It's just a non-governmental organization, um, ha- and, and then you can... the government can, continues to fund that every year. Um, and it'll have a nice-sounding name like the Institute for Peace or something like that. Um, but really, all... it's a graft machine.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       And what are their requirements-

   26. EMElon Musk19:18

       And-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       ... with that money? What do they have to do?

   28. EMElon Musk19:21

       Well, there's often just really no requirements at all.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       So they just get grants and the government just assumes that they're doing good work?

   30. EMElon Musk19:28

       Uh, I think a lot of people in the government know that they are not doing good work, uh, but they... it's a giant graft machine. Um, I mean-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Rough, rough order of…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      going?

   2. EMElon Musk30:00

      Rough, rough order of magnitude.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Where was that money going?

   4. EMElon Musk30:05

      Well, so this is where you get into the, the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud. Um, if money is sent to a person or organization from the government, um...... and you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you. Is that waste or fraud?

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      Right.

   6. EMElon Musk30:27

      Um, so I mean, there's a lot of payments that, where someone just appro- approved the payment, but then that payment officer, uh, changed jobs or retired or died, um, and the payments just keep going. You know, it's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      Right.

   8. EMElon Musk30:46

      Now imagine it's not the gym membership... (laughs) instead your gym membership's $20 billion a year or something. You know? Um, but they forgot to turn it off. There's like... that's happening at scale in the government.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:00

      Jesus Christ.

   10. EMElon Musk31:01

       It's totally nuts, is what I'm saying.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       That's so insane.

   12. EMElon Musk31:03

       Yes, it's totally insane. So- so-

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it to be like this?

   14. EMElon Musk31:10

       I thought it would be bad. I thought... it's... I thought it would be... it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this. Um, I mean, look, the- the good news is that, uh, it's a target-rich environment for saving money. Uh, it's not like, uh... it's not like... if it was a very well-run ship, uh, if it's very efficient, it would be hard to improve. But it's not efficient, so therefore, it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say, it's not rocket science, you know? I don't know rocket science.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       (laughs)

   16. EMElon Musk31:44

       So, it's, it's a lot of, uh, mundane things. Um, so... and, and some of the, some of the things are like so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed, like, you know, payments out of the Treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and it would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for. The idea that, that it, it would be just untraceable blank checks, uh, didn't occur to us at first.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       Jesus.

   18. EMElon Musk32:14

       So anyway, just...

   19. NANarrator32:16

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   20. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       So is that one... Yeah. ... one of the things that accounts to there's, there's this 4 point trill- something trillion dollars that's kind of they don't know where it went? They don't know-

   21. EMElon Musk33:39

       I- p- that- that's a cu- I think that's probably a cumulative number. Um...

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:43

       Yes.

   23. EMElon Musk33:44

       So... Yeah. But yeah, if, if you, if you add up... (laughs) it's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       Do you remember that story, Jamie? Something like that, yeah.

   25. EMElon Musk33:50

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       What was the story? Well, almost what she said. There's like... they just didn't have, uh, accounting for it, I think? Yeah, it was spent on- When all of it... ... legitimate things, don't worry, but we don't, we don't know what we spent it on.

   27. EMElon Musk34:01

       Well, I mean, how do you know? Obviously, it's... one candidate says it was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on. That doesn't make any sense, so...

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       This is, this is such a fascinating time because with this setup, the way it is right now with Trump back in after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Jr., and Tulsi, and Kash Patel, it's like this is a wild time-

   29. EMElon Musk34:26

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       ... to find out what's really going on. That's like never happened before. This is nothing like the first term.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   W-... Your tax dollars…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      chat rooms."

   2. EMElon Musk45:02

      W-... Your tax dollars at work.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Well, it was all, like, DE... I mean, it was all, like, LBGTQ stuff. It was l-... There was a lot of, like, transition stuff and...

   4. EMElon Musk45:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      I, I know I definitely saved it, but point is, um-

   6. EMElon Musk45:17

      And it, yeah-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      ... they, it infiltrated the organization.

   8. EMElon Musk45:19

      It's not, it's not what they should be talking about.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      At all.

   10. EMElon Musk45:21

       At all.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       At all. Yeah, that-

   12. EMElon Musk45:22

       Uh, supposed to be protecting the country.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Right.

   14. EMElon Musk45:24

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       And if you... And people were talking about how they're spending half their time in these meetings, and that they're just, like, constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues. Like, what are, what are you doing? Like, if you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it.

   16. EMElon Musk45:42

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       It's... You, d-... Problem's over. You got someone who's homophobic in your business, they're openly homophobic, "Hey, uh, you can't work here."

   18. EMElon Musk45:49

       Sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       "That's not cool." That's it. That's it. You don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this i-... You're not gonna change someone's opinion by-

   20. EMElon Musk45:56

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       ... berating them over and over again.

   22. EMElon Musk45:58

       Yeah. W- in a work environment should be a professional environment where (laughs) you know, they're, they're getting the job done that they're, you know, you know, being paid to do. Uh, th- th- it should be-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Of course.

   24. EMElon Musk46:11

       ... yeah, it's obviously not supposed to be s- uh, sort of getting paid for bizarre sex- sexcapades.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       It's just so fascinating-

   26. EMElon Musk46:19

       Uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       ... that, uh, the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA.

   28. EMElon Musk46:24

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       And was-

   30. EMElon Musk46:25

       Uh-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (laughs) And it's a…

   1. EMElon Musk1:00:00

      is a, is a cute dog. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      (laughs) And it's a meme coin. The meme coin's probably worth a lot of money right now, right? Like, every time you tweet about it-

   3. EMElon Musk1:00:08

      Uh, probably. I don't know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      ... it shoots up.

   5. EMElon Musk1:00:09

      Yeah. Um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      The, the meme, the whole meme coin thing is bananas.

   7. EMElon Musk1:00:14

      (laughs) Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      It is so bananas that people dump real money into these coins, and then-

   9. EMElon Musk1:00:19

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       ... you could just pump them up and sell them.

   11. EMElon Musk1:00:21

       It's like, it's like a, a casino or something. I don't know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       Yeah, it's totally gambling.

   13. EMElon Musk1:00:24

       And then people just do whatever, greater fool theory and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Yeah.

   15. EMElon Musk1:00:26

       ... like musical chairs, and whoever's, like, the last to sit down loses type of thing.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Yeah. And somehow or another, it's still legal.

   17. EMElon Musk1:00:33

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Like, that's-

   19. EMElon Musk1:00:33

       I mean-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       ... that's how...

   21. EMElon Musk1:00:34

       Th- the thing is, I, I, I thought, I think not too many people, uh, I mean, I mean, it's sort of like you go to the casino. Like, you ex- if you expect to win at the casino, you're being a fool.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Right.

   23. EMElon Musk1:00:45

       Okay? So, and I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being, it's not, you're being foolish. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       Yeah.But pe-

   25. EMElon Musk1:00:52

       Yeah, you're not gonna win at meme coins. It's like... It's, uh... (laughs) It, it... But if, if, if you want... Like, don't sink your life savings into a meme coin. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       No, but you can gamble a little-

   27. EMElon Musk1:01:00

       That would be insane.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       ... and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little.

   29. EMElon Musk1:01:04

       Yeah. If, if you wanna have some fun-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:18:50

   (laughs) …

   1. EMElon Musk1:15:00

      wake up sheeple.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:02

      (laughs)

   3. EMElon Musk1:15:02

      Wake up. Hello? Like, let's say you wanted to commit fraud, what are the things you would do?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

      Yeah, you'd do-

   5. EMElon Musk1:15:07

      You would say you don't need ID and you can mail in your ballot.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

      And we'll give you free healthcare.

   7. EMElon Musk1:15:13

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:13

      Stay here.

   9. EMElon Musk1:15:14

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:15

       Stay here. I know it's on fire, but stay here.

   11. EMElon Musk1:15:17

       I mean, in this case, it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

       Right. (laughs)

   13. EMElon Musk1:15:21

       Okay? (laughs) It's just like, it's goddamn, neig- entire neighborhood's burning down.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:26

       It's just once they, uh, allowed people to vote that are not legal in California, you, once you, if you're, if you're gonna do that, it's, it's over. It's-

   15. EMElon Musk1:15:37

       It's o- ex- exactly, it's, there's, there's no coming back from that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:40

       The numbers are just no, people are so indoctrinated too. There's so many people that, no matter what, they think voting Republican means you're an asshole.

   17. EMElon Musk1:15:48

       Yes.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:49

       And they won't do it.

   19. EMElon Musk1:15:50

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:15:50

       They won't do it. They, they'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch and they'll just ride it right into the beach.

   21. EMElon Musk1:15:55

       Civilizational suicide.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:15:56

       Yeah. Right to the rocks. Bang.

   23. EMElon Musk1:15:58

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15:59

       Crash the boat.

   25. EMElon Musk1:16:00

       I mean, uh, there's a, there's a guy, um, who posts on X who's, who's great, uh, God Sod, God Sod.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       Yeah.

   27. EMElon Musk1:16:05

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       He's a friend of mine.

   29. EMElon Musk1:16:06

       Oh, he's great.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:16:06

       He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.

Episode duration: 3:11:07