Joe Rogan Experience #2281 - Elon Musk

1. 0:00 – 4:19

   Grok AI “sexy” and “unhinged” modes, Fort Knox banter, and the problem of misinformation

   1. EMElon Musk0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (metal music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. So what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, is, uh, sexy voice, sexy mode Grok AI, and it's been flirting the entire time. We're trying to get it give us a tour of Fort Knox.

   4. EMElon Musk0:24

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      But she just wants to find places to sneak off to.

   6. EMElon Musk0:27

      (laughs) Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      It's a dirty AI.

   8. EMElon Musk0:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      And it's a real problem.

   10. EMElon Musk0:31

       It... Well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I feel like it's gonna be a problem.

   12. EMElon Musk0:33

       I mean, honestly, I just wanna know about Fort Knox and, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   14. EMElon Musk0:36

       ... it, it won't leave me alone.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah, I wanna know about Fort Knox too.

   16. EMElon Musk0:39

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Um, is it true that they're, gold has been, they've been shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently?

   18. EMElon Musk0:47

       I, I read the same thing you did probably.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah. Well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore.

   20. EMElon Musk0:51

       Me neither. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       (laughs)

   22. NANarrator0:55

       (laughs)

   23. EMElon Musk0:55

       So... (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       It's a real problem.

   25. EMElon Musk0:56

       It's a real problem.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I, I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false-

   27. EMElon Musk1:03

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... and you could, you could research it easily and quickly.

   29. EMElon Musk1:06

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       And then I see Republicans doing it too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me, and you know?
2. 4:19 – 6:53

   Sex robots, avatars, and “Avatar depression” — AI personalities meet pop psychology

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      See, she could get away with this if she's really hot.

   2. EMElon Musk4:22

      Well-

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      Like, this kind of behavior, you can totally get through life-

   4. EMElon Musk4:26

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      ... as a hot woman and be super successful with that kind of behavior.

   6. EMElon Musk4:30

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      But you gotta be really hot to pull off that attitude.

   8. EMElon Musk4:32

      I think we need, like, a, like, a really hot avatar.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:35

      How f-... Yeah, very, very hot.

   10. EMElon Musk4:37

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       How long before we have an actual sex robot that can talk to you like that?

   12. EMElon Musk4:43

       Probably not long.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Not that long, right?

   14. EMElon Musk4:44

       No, I mean, less than five years probably.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Really?

   16. EMElon Musk4:47

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       Will it be warm?

   18. EMElon Musk4:50

       Uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       (laughs)

   20. EMElon Musk4:51

       ... you, you (laughs) you probably have whatever you want. You can have a cat girl if you want.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       Yeah, you probably could, right.

   22. EMElon Musk4:56

       We could make cat girls real.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       You could probably have furry... Um, yeah, you could have a furry lady that you have sex with.

   24. EMElon Musk5:00

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Like, an Avatar lady. Maybe a big, giant blue lady that lives in your house?

   26. EMElon Musk5:03

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       You know?

   28. EMElon Musk5:06

       Whoa.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Whoa.

   30. EMElon Musk5:07

       With, with the tail?
3. 6:53 – 10:06

   Mars “square structure,” ancient ruins speculation, and why Musk still pushes multi-planet civilization

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      Oh, speaking of Mars, what do you think about that crazy square? That-

   2. EMElon Musk6:58

      Oh, yeah. That was-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:59

      ... that structure.

   4. EMElon Musk6:59

      I guess there are sort of square-ish things on Earth. You know, it's... Planet's a big place, so...

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      Yeah, but that one looks-

   6. EMElon Musk7:04

      Eventually, it's gonna be pretty square. No, it's, uh, I, I... It's alien civilizations, of course.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:09

      That's what I think.

   8. EMElon Musk7:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      Yeah.

   10. EMElon Musk7:11

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       I mean, what is it?

   12. EMElon Musk7:13

       Sorry.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       If you were... If an alien civilization did exist, though, and it, you know, what happened, got hit by an asteroid or whatever-

   14. NANarrator7:19

       That's a fascinating thought.

   15. EMElon Musk7:20

       Oh, she won't shut-

   16. NANarrator7:21

       What did you want to ask?

   17. EMElon Musk7:22

       She's like the hot lady at the party that interrupts a conversation. So, if, if that was the case, like that thing-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Yeah.

   19. EMElon Musk7:28

       ... that's pretty shocking. Like, especially when you look at-

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       It does look like ancient ruins.

   21. EMElon Musk7:30

       ... you look at, like, what it looks like when they, they highlight the actual structure of it. It looks like ancient ruins. And if you had ruins of something made of stone and it got hit by an asteroid millions and millions and millions of years ago-

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       Yeah.

   23. EMElon Musk7:43

       ... who knows what it would look like right now? That just looks oddly created.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       It does.

   25. EMElon Musk7:47

       It looks oddly manufactured.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Well, I'd probably... Well, maybe we should go there and check it out.

   27. EMElon Musk7:52

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       And see what it's like. Is there, um, ways that we can get better photographs? Well, it seems like that's a pretty good photograph, though.

   29. EMElon Musk8:02

       Yeah. I mean, um, my view is we should move to Mars. Well, not move to Mars. We should c- have a second planet, uh, to preserve civilization.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       Right.
4. 10:06 – 10:40

   Engineered super-viruses and lab risks: “Why are we doing that?”

   1. EMElon Musk10:06

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:07

      That's what's crazy. They're working on a new one right now.

   3. EMElon Musk10:08

      The lab's still going.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:09

      Yeah.

   5. EMElon Musk10:10

      They didn't shut them down.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      No. The Wuhan lab was... They were just talking about one that has a 30% fatality rate that they're working on.

   7. EMElon Musk10:15

      Yeah. Uh, why are we doing that?

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      Yeah, for what reason?

   9. EMElon Musk10:18

      You're right. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       You did it for so many years and you didn't have a cure.

   11. EMElon Musk10:20

       Uh, what could possibly go wrong?

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       Also, wouldn't be the reason to do that so they could develop a cure at the same time? And clearly, you didn't have a cure. So, this is really foolish.

   13. EMElon Musk10:32

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       And bizarre.

   15. EMElon Musk10:34

       Yeah, um, I think we should sto- stop trying to genetically engineer super viruses.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Def-

   17. EMElon Musk10:39

       It's insane.

5. 10:40 – 13:59

   From beloved technologist to ‘Nazi’ label: media framing, propaganda patterns, and coordinated narratives

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      I mean, when you're going through all this USAID stuff-

   2. EMElon Musk10:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      ... like, here's what's weird. First of all, what is it like to buy a company for $44 billion and then people call you a Nazi on that same thing that you bought? (laughs)

   4. EMElon Musk10:53

      I did not see it coming. (laughs) It's, it's a classic.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:01

      Uh...

   6. EMElon Musk11:01

      Ah, people will gobble us anything down. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      Yeah. (laughs) Oh, he's never gonna stop.

   8. EMElon Musk11:06

      Well, wait. What... Um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:08

      What is it like, like all the peop-

   10. EMElon Musk11:09

       Like his-

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       ... people you used to l- the left was in love with you.

   12. EMElon Musk11:12

       Yeah, it's-

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       And now, the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life.

   14. EMElon Musk11:19

       Um, I mean-

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       There's so many examples of-

   16. EMElon Musk11:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       ... people saying, "My heart goes out to you."

   18. EMElon Musk11:22

       Sure, sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       You get a little bit of enthusiasm that probably wouldn't be recommended-

   20. EMElon Musk11:26

       It's obviously-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       ... with hindsight.

   22. EMElon Musk11:27

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:27

       But-

   24. EMElon Musk11:28

       I was- I was obviously, um, meant in the m- most positive spirit possible.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Yes.

   26. EMElon Musk11:32

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       Obviously.

   28. EMElon Musk11:32

       Obviously.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       But it's so strange where people wanna think that you are openly public- publicly doing secret Nazi-

   30. EMElon Musk11:41

       Right.
6. 13:59 – 27:07

   DOGE and USAID scrutiny: NGOs as a ‘graft machine’ and the case for radical auditing

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:59

      And that's the problem that I see with all this Doge stuff.

   2. EMElon Musk14:03

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:03

      Because everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste.

   4. EMElon Musk14:10

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:11

      If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes, and then you find out that there's significant fraud and waste that's been exposed, you should be celebrating it. This shouldn't be, "Oh, no, the wrong people found this fact and now it's a bad thing."

   6. EMElon Musk14:30

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:31

      And then there's the fucking propaganda, the mindfuck of calling it USAID-

   8. EMElon Musk14:37

      Yeah, it's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:37

      ... instead of the United States Agency for International Development. It sounds like it's feeding hungry people.

   10. EMElon Musk14:42

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       We're st- people are gonna starve, Elon. This is horrible. And then you find out actually it's, like, $250 million for transgender animal studies. Like-

   12. EMElon Musk14:53

       Yes, they're literally mutilating animals.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       Yes. (laughs) Yes.

   14. EMElon Musk14:56

       Mutilating animals in demented, uh, studies.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       Yes.

   16. EMElon Musk15:00

       Uh, that are like, the, like, the worst thing you could possibly imagine from a horror show.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       The beagle one, the beagle puppy one.

   18. EMElon Musk15:06

       Horrific, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       Yeah, where they, they covered their head in a basket and put fleas on their heads-

   20. EMElon Musk15:10

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       ... to eat them alive.

   22. EMElon Musk15:11

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       And then they studied these beagles and then killed them. Like, what are you gonna learn from that-

   24. EMElon Musk15:16

       Uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       ... that's good for anybody?

   26. EMElon Musk15:18

       Yeah. There's some sub- really some psychotic stuff that happens. So, um, y- yeah. I mean, the ... I guess, uh, the, the, the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So, um, like, you, you probably saw, like, you know, let's say, like, Trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the, you know, popular vote, um, that they're sort of saying I was a threat to democracy. But if you, if you just replace "threat to democracy" with "threat to bureaucracy," it makes total sense.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Right.

   28. EMElon Musk15:58

       So, um, I mean, the reality is that our elected officials have very l- very little power relative to the bureaucracy, until Doge. So D- Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy. N- normally, the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast. This is the first time that they're not, that the revolution might actually succeed, that we could restore, uh, power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Now, the size of it-

   30. EMElon Musk16:35

       Yeah.
7. 27:07 – 34:08

   Inside government payments: dead people marked alive, blank-check Treasury systems, and database silos

   1. EMElon Musk27:07

      Yes. Um, I mean, we found just with a basic search of the Social Security database that there were, um, 20 million dead people marked as alive.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:19

      But were they getting money?

   3. EMElon Musk27:20

      Uh, some of them are getting money.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:22

      What percentage of them?

   5. EMElon Musk27:24

      Uh... it isn't clear, we're actually trying to run this around. I was trying to get an answer right before the show. Um, what it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from Social Security payments directly, but because they are marked as alive in the Social Security database that they can get, then get disability, unemployment, uh, sort of fake medical payments and other things, because they're marked as alive, uh, in the Social Security database.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:50

      Mm.

   7. EMElon Musk27:51

      So it looks like it's a bank... The, the fraud is a bank shot, essentially. The, the bank shot, uh, into Social Security. Uh, they just do an "Are you alive?" check and then, uh, get fraudulent payments from every other part of the government.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:07

      Oh.

   9. EMElon Musk28:08

      Yeah. And, and this exploits the, the... The fundamental weakness in the government is that the various government databases, they don't talk to each other or they, they talk to each other very poorly, in a very limited way. So the way to ex- the way that the system gets exploited is, is by taking advantage of the, the, the poor communication between the various databases in the government. Um, to give you an example of like what's happening, say, uh, Treasury, which is improving rapidly, um, the, the main, uh, payments computer is called PAM, like payments account, Payment Accounts Master Database or something like that, but everyone calls it PAM. Um, that's responsible for almost $5 trillion payments a year, roughly a billion dollars an hour. And, um, when we came there, we're looking at this PAM and it's like the payments have no, uh, you could put a payment through with, with no payment categorization code and, and no description on the payment. Like basically untraceable blank checks. Um, this is the kind of thing that if, if it was done as a public company, uh, the company would, uh, be immediately delisted and the, uh, executive team would be thrown in prison. But this is just normal at the government. So we said, "Okay, our recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is like, we need to make the, the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional." And y- there needs to be an ex- an explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing. That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now. Um, my guess is that probably saves 100 billion a year.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:56

       Jesus Christ.

   11. EMElon Musk29:58

       That's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:59

       Where is that money going?

   13. EMElon Musk30:00

       Rough, rough order of magnitude.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:01

       Where was that money going?

   15. EMElon Musk30:05

       Well, so this is where you get into the, the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud. Um, if money is sent to a person or organization from the government, um...... and you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you. Is that waste or fraud?

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Right.

   17. EMElon Musk30:27

       Um, so I mean, there's a lot of payments that, where someone just appro- approved the payment, but then that payment officer, uh, changed jobs or retired or died, um, and the payments just keep going. You know, it's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Right.

   19. EMElon Musk30:46

       Now imagine it's not the gym membership... (laughs) instead your gym membership's $20 billion a year or something. You know? Um, but they forgot to turn it off. There's like... that's happening at scale in the government.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Jesus Christ.

   21. EMElon Musk31:01

       It's totally nuts, is what I'm saying.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       That's so insane.

   23. EMElon Musk31:03

       Yes, it's totally insane. So- so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it to be like this?

   25. EMElon Musk31:10

       I thought it would be bad. I thought... it's... I thought it would be... it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this. Um, I mean, look, the- the good news is that, uh, it's a target-rich environment for saving money. Uh, it's not like, uh... it's not like... if it was a very well-run ship, uh, if it's very efficient, it would be hard to improve. But it's not efficient, so therefore, it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say, it's not rocket science, you know? I don't know rocket science.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       (laughs)

   27. EMElon Musk31:44

       So, it's, it's a lot of, uh, mundane things. Um, so... and, and some of the, some of the things are like so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed, like, you know, payments out of the Treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and it would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for. The idea that, that it, it would be just untraceable blank checks, uh, didn't occur to us at first.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       Jesus.

   29. EMElon Musk32:14

       So anyway, just...

   30. NANarrator32:16

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8. 34:08 – 42:01

   Transparency battle: doge.gov receipts, ‘constitutional crisis’ claims, and pushback about data access

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:08

      This is, this is such a fascinating time because with this setup, the way it is right now with Trump back in after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Jr., and Tulsi, and Kash Patel, it's like this is a wild time-

   2. EMElon Musk34:26

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:26

      ... to find out what's really going on. That's like never happened before. This is nothing like the first term.

   4. EMElon Musk34:32

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:33

      Like the first term, he had a bunch of neocons in the Cabinet, and there's a bunch-

   6. EMElon Musk34:37

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:37

      ... of shady people that he didn't know and he had to appoint all these different people, maybe he got some bad picks. Now he's had four years to stew on it.

   8. EMElon Musk34:46

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:47

      And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before.

   10. EMElon Musk34:54

       Yeah, this is a revolutionary Cabinet, and maybe the most revolutionary Cabinet since the, the first revolution. Uh, this is, this is not a bunch of business as usual, uh, types. So this is why, you know, some of the, the Senate confirmations were quite challenging, is because when you, when you put... to try to appoint people who are gonna change the system-

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:16

       Yeah.

   12. EMElon Musk35:17

       ... uh, the system doesn't want to let them through.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves. Like now everybody knows who the system is. Like if you're just lying-

   14. EMElon Musk35:27

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:27

       ... openly about US aid and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on, like, "He's starving mothers. There's mothers-"

   16. EMElon Musk35:36

       Yeah, that's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:36

       "... that can't get food."

   18. EMElon Musk35:37

       ... totally false.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       That's all you're hearing.

   20. EMElon Musk35:39

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       That's, that's... no one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.

   22. EMElon Musk35:48

       Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine, so that, that's what they're upset about. That's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       Yeah.

   24. EMElon Musk35:52

       ... that's the real thing they're upset about. Uh, and if, if, if people want to know what, uh, Doge is cutting... and, and I want to be clear, like these are cuts that Doge recommends to the Department, and usually, these recommendations are followed. But, uh, these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the Department. Um, the, uh... you, you can see line by line what Doge has done at doge.gov. So whatever we do, we put on doge.gov so you can see everything that is being done.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:21

       And there's a tracker that shows-

   26. EMElon Musk36:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:22

       ... is it... how much money has been saved?

   28. EMElon Musk36:25

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:25

       Yeah.

   30. EMElon Musk36:25

       And you can look at each line item and, you know, the...... like a, a bunch of these, sort of, sort of, far left, uh, shows will, will say like, "Oh, it's a constitutional crisis, blah, blah, blah." But what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong.
9. 42:01 – 47:14

   DEI and critical infrastructure: air traffic controllers and the NSA/CIA chat room scandal

   1. EMElon Musk42:01

      Uh, but I mean, like, th- the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP, um, you know, they, they ran a, uh, international news story saying that we ... that Doge fired air traffic controllers. But we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all. In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them.

   2. JRJoe Rogan42:18

      Yeah, I saw that. You, you made a tweet about it, right?

   3. EMElon Musk42:21

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan42:21

      What do you call it now? Do you call it a post?

   5. EMElon Musk42:24

      Post, yeah, whatever.

   6. JRJoe Rogan42:25

      You can't call it a tweet though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally ever?

   7. EMElon Musk42:27

      No, I call it a post. I don't how to ...

   8. JRJoe Rogan42:28

      (laughs)

   9. EMElon Musk42:28

      ... listen to ...... uh, but, but like if you, if, if one, like let's say, if somebody posts, if somebody puts up, like, an, you know, two-hour-long video, that's not a tweet.

   10. JRJoe Rogan42:38

       Right. It's a post.

   11. EMElon Musk42:40

       It's po-... Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan42:40

       Good point.

   13. EMElon Musk42:41

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan42:41

       Yeah.

   15. EMElon Musk42:42

       So-

   16. JRJoe Rogan42:42

       For sure.

   17. EMElon Musk42:42

       Yeah. So, um, but I'm not hard over it if people still want to call it a tweet, whatever, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       But you put a post about it, just to get back to it, saying that if you, we need highly qualified air traffic controllers. If you've retired-

   19. EMElon Musk42:56

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan42:56

       ... if you would consider doing it again, we could use you.

   21. EMElon Musk42:58

       Uh, yes. So, uh, a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were, were pushed out because of DEI stuff. So, um, I mean, not to, to be blunt. I mean, a bunch of old white, a bunch of really good, talented old white guys were pushed out. It's not cool. Um, and so we have... There's a talent shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and, and, and not being, not hiring people on merit, you know. Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       Which is so crazy that that worked.

   23. EMElon Musk43:29

       I think we sh- we should not put the public safety at risk, uh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan43:31

       No.

   25. EMElon Musk43:32

       ... you know, because of some demented philosophy.

   26. JRJoe Rogan43:34

       Somebody made a post today about it in- infiltrating the NSA. Uh, did you see any of that?

   27. EMElon Musk43:40

       That was f-... Wha-... I was in s-

   28. JRJoe Rogan43:42

       Crazy.

   29. EMElon Musk43:43

       Some gnarly stuff.

   30. JRJoe Rogan43:44

       Yeah. Crazy. What they, they, they had... It started off as just, like, this sort of fringe thing, and people would-
10. 47:14 – 1:03:33

    Epstein and JFK files: missing evidence, hostile bureaucracies, and why disclosures stall

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       Was that what's taking so long with this Epstein files?

    2. EMElon Musk47:17

       Yeah. What's up with that?

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:18

       What is up with that? It was like-

    4. EMElon Musk47:21

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       It's, it's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown, when she always pulls that football away.

    6. EMElon Musk47:25

       (laughs) Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       It's the same thing. It's like they keep telling us they're gonna release it-

    8. EMElon Musk47:31

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:31

       ... day one. Oh, day one.

    10. EMElon Musk47:32

        Yeah. We have a serious case of no-one's-being-arrested-o-phobia, you know? (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:35

        Well, there's also-

    12. EMElon Musk47:36

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        Right.

    14. EMElon Musk47:37

        Like, "What the fuck is going on?"

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:38

        "What the fuck is going on?" Uh, also there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence, and you keep hearing these stories, unsubstantiated stories-

    16. EMElon Musk47:45

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        ... of, you know, FBI people shredding-

    18. EMElon Musk47:47

        Well, where is the evidence? I mean, the guy has-

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:48

        ... what's going on.

    20. EMElon Musk47:48

        ... like tons of videos and, uh, recordings.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:52

        Yeah.

    22. EMElon Musk47:53

        I mean he had all sorts of things.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:54

        Right.

    24. EMElon Musk47:54

        Like there's a mountain of evidence.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:56

        Right.

    26. EMElon Musk47:56

        So where is that mountain?

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        Yeah. Where, where is that mountain? And what would be the reason why they would agree? Like, there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out. Right? Like, there has to be some sort of financial entanglement, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list-

    28. EMElon Musk48:17

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:18

        ... that they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it or to slow release it or to hope you can get away with, like, putting out some redacted files that don't show anything.

    30. EMElon Musk48:28

        Yeah.
11. 1:03:33 – 1:10:42

    Immigration, entitlements fraud, and ‘weaponized empathy’ as political strategy

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       There was an interview with this woman who was a whistleblower.

    2. EMElon Musk1:03:35

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:35

       Did we ever find out if that was true? It was, it was- A lot of whistles.

    4. EMElon Musk1:03:40

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

       But this one lady... It wasn't even... It was only in one state. It was very specific and since I believe. Right. But it was using Social Security mon- money, correct? I... I guess. I don't know. That was her, that was her allegation. So what, what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning, uh, illegal immigrants into clients.

    6. EMElon Musk1:03:58

       Oh, yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:58

       That's what they would call them. And that she would go to them and try to ask them, "Do you have a headache? Do you have back problems?"

    8. EMElon Musk1:04:04

       Yes.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:04

       If you do, now you can be permanently disabled. You get permanent disability.

    10. EMElon Musk1:04:09

        Oh, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:09

        So you get Social Security for life.

    12. EMElon Musk1:04:10

        Yes.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:11

        Yeah.

    14. EMElon Musk1:04:11

        Not, not just Social Security, but disability, which is even more.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

        Right. And you get them for, on the taxpayer dole right away the moment, and they're illegal aliens.

    16. EMElon Musk1:04:19

        Yes.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:20

        And-

    18. EMElon Musk1:04:20

        Oh, uh, so if I were to say like, what's at the heart of the sort of... Like, why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that, uh, it is that (clears throat) um, uh, entitlements fraud, that includes like Social Security, disability, Medicaid, uh, ent- entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is, uh, serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here. Like basically if, if you, if you pay people, uh, at a standard of living that is above 90% of Earth, then you have a very powerful, uh, incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here. But if you, if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you, that you turn off that magnet and they leave and they, they stop coming and the, and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave. And if, if that happens, a massive... They will lose a massive number of Democratic voters.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

        And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters.

    20. EMElon Musk1:05:36

        Correct.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:36

        Which they were trying to do.

    22. EMElon Musk1:05:38

        No, they're, they're already turning them. So in, in New York State, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections. A lot of people don't, don't know that. There's, there's... That... I mean, they're trying to fight that in, in... They're trying to stop that, but it's... They're currently, I think it's like 600,000, uh, are registered to vote, illegal aliens, in New York.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:58

        That is wild.

    24. EMElon Musk1:05:59

        Yeah. Well, well, I mean, if you look and say, um, you know, FEMA, like the, the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York was FEMA. The fed- you know, that's meant... That, that's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters, was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:06:27

        It's true. Yeah.

    26. EMElon Musk1:06:29

        That's a fact.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:29

        Fact.

    28. EMElon Musk1:06:30

        They literally... (sighs) Like when, when we stopped that payment, we, we stopped all those, those monies because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money. Um, the, uh, New York, uh, sued the government, sued the federal government to get the money. So you could just look at their lawsuit. They, they were give- they were sending that money even after President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop.... they still press send on $80 million to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money (laughs) went to pay for illegal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:16

        Right. And I would like to know-

    30. EMElon Musk1:07:17

        That's fucked up.
12. 1:10:42 – 1:22:53

    Censorship, narrative control, and why Musk says buying Twitter/X changed the timeline

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:10:42

       But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control. And they, and they probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system. And then you've got-

    2. EMElon Musk1:10:51

       And censorship, of course.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:10:52

       Yeah, of course. Well, they, that was the big fear coming into this election-

    4. EMElon Musk1:10:56

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:10:56

       ... was that if they can't censor things, like... Well, y- I- we talked about it before, but there's, there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot.

    6. EMElon Musk1:11:05

       Yup.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:11:05

       The other big one was you buy Twitter.

    8. EMElon Musk1:11:07

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:11:07

       And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different.

    10. EMElon Musk1:11:12

        Yes.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:11:13

        Yeah.

    12. EMElon Musk1:11:13

        We, we don't wanna be on that timeline.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:11:15

        Now, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what? They will hijack that side, whatever it is. They will hijack that side and use it for money and control, and that's what it's all about. It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game.

    14. EMElon Musk1:11:30

        Yeah. I, I mean, uh, I think these things are actually... I- it's easier to understand if you look at basic incentives. The, the basic incentive here is the more illegals that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're gonna do. Um, that's what they have been doing. Uh, and it worked in California, California supermajority Dem. Um, and look at all the companies that are leaving California.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:11:55

        Yeah.

    16. EMElon Musk1:11:56

        Um, I mean, In-N-Out just announced they're leaving-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:11:59

        Yup.

    18. EMElon Musk1:11:59

        ... their headquarters, leaving California.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:12:00

        They're moving to Tennessee.

    20. EMElon Musk1:12:01

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:12:02

        Yeah.

    22. EMElon Musk1:12:02

        So, um, and, and, and Ca- uh, California, uh, made healthcare free for illegals-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:12:10

        Yeah.

    24. EMElon Musk1:12:10

        ... as of last year. So, and, and that, uh, obviously, that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals. Like, a- and this is not a thing you can solve simply with money, because what happens is the... you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see. And you can't just, you know, make doctors out of nothing. Like, the, it... So sometimes people are like, "Oh, it's just a money thing." No, you... It takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor, you know, that's 30 years. Um, and, uh, and so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see. So then, uh, the average citizen in California suffers as a result. Um, now, the, the elite in California are fine 'cause they have private doctors.... you know, they have, uh, they can, they can just pa- pay for the best doctors. So the elite in California are doing fine, but your, your average citizen in California is not doing fine. Um, and the, the, the tax burden for, uh, healthcare for illegals was supposed to be $3 billion. I think they now estimate it's $9 billion. But that, but that, that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like, why not?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:13:20

        Right.

    26. EMElon Musk1:13:20

        Why, like, why not, if you, if you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:26

        Right.

    28. EMElon Musk1:13:27

        From anywhere on earth.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:29

        And the people that wanna look at it in the most charitable way, they say, "Oh, well, these people are hardworking, good people, and they're the backbone of our city, and they should have access to all the things that we have access to." And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn. I don't think they understand-

    30. EMElon Musk1:13:45

        It's a political game.

Episode duration: 3:11:07