Joe Rogan Experience #2282 - Bill Murray

Narrator 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeah.

Bill Murray 0:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Thank you for doing this. (clears throat) This is a huge honor for me. I'm a giant fan, forever. Like, since I was a kid. So-

Bill Murray 0:21 Well, are we going? Are we starting?

Joe Rogan 0:23 Yeah, we're- we're live.

Bill Murray 0:23 Okay, good.

Joe Rogan 0:23 So for me, me ... There's certain people I meet where it's like, "Whoa, okay." And you're those. You're one of those.

Bill Murray 0:29 Well, I have a very different experience. I only know about you what I've heard. I've never, uh, heard your show. I had to ask you, are you Joe? 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 0:38 (laughs) Oh, perfect.

Bill Murray 0:39 ... I- I- somehow I knew you were, like, into fitness and everyone out there seems to be a weightlifter, in your-

Joe Rogan 0:44 Yeah.

Bill Murray 0:44 ... in your outer r- Even Danielle seems like she's, she did lower body today.

Joe Rogan 0:47 (laughs)

Bill Murray 0:48 But, uh, it's, uh, so it's- it's- it's nice to meet you and people are- are alter- uh, are, you know, they're ... Some people are very, very excited that I've got- gotten- come down here to- to be on your show, so ...

Joe Rogan 1:00 Well, you're an interesting guy.

Bill Murray 1:01 Other people are concerned for me, so ...

Joe Rogan 1:03 Oh, really?

Bill Murray 1:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03 Are they? Legitimately?

Bill Murray 1:05 I don't know. I don't if it's the w- I don't know why it's the weightlifter thing, 'cause I have no-

Joe Rogan 1:09 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:09 ... I have no predisposed ... I have no pre- premonitions about it. But when I walk in here and I see, um ... I gotta look at that. What is that green neon?

Joe Rogan 1:19 Oh, that's, uh, the local racetrack. That's the Circuit of the Americas-

Bill Murray 1:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:23 ... where Formula 1 races.

Bill Murray 1:24 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Uh, that's my friend's place, so he gave me that.

Bill Murray 1:27 Okay. Um, yeah, I walked in and I saw all these Hunter Thompson things. I felt automatically, like, "Okay. Well, this guy can't be a complete disaster."

Joe Rogan 1:35 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:36 And then I walked down the hall and there's Hunter wearing a hat that I gave him.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Oh, that hat with- with the gun?

Bill Murray 1:43 Yeah. The one where he's-

Joe Rogan 1:44 Wow.

Bill Murray 1:44 ... in a cockpit, it looks like.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Yeah. You gave him that?

Bill Murray 1:46 That's a dog hair hat.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Oh, wow.

Bill Murray 1:48 That's dog hair.

Joe Rogan 1:49 It's made out of dog hair?

Bill Murray 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Whoa.

Bill Murray 1:51 And he got such a kick out of it, because when it rains on you or snows on you, like it would in- in Woody Creek, you come in the house and you smell like a wet dog.

Joe Rogan 2:01 (laughs)

Bill Murray 2:01 And he loved, like, doing that to people. And people would be like, "What in the hell?"

Joe Rogan 2:06 (laughs)

Bill Murray 2:06 He'd be like, "Oh, my- my dog." You know? That's the dog right there.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah.

Bill Murray 2:11 Oh, so this is ... Are you filming this too? This is for-

Joe Rogan 2:14 Yeah.

Bill Murray 2:14 ... whatever you do?

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yeah.

Bill Murray 2:15 Yeah, so. Uh, yeah, there he is. There's that dog ha- It's got a head like big, like, tie things. You can tie it under your chin if it

Narrator 2:23 What year was this?

Bill Murray 2:25 exactly ) This is, um, I would ... Oh, wow, look at that one. Oof.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Lawyers, guns, and money?

Bill Murray 2:34 Jesus. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:35 (laughs)

Bill Murray 2:35 Those are la- Those are later ones. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yeah.

Bill Murray 2:37 He didn't have scopes for a- a long time.

Joe Rogan 2:39 That was, uh-

Bill Murray 2:41 That's a ... It looks like s-

Joe Rogan 2:41 He had hearing protection then too. He, he was learning.

Narrator 2:44 '86?

Bill Murray 2:45 Well ...

Joe Rogan 2:46 No.

Narrator 2:47 No?

Bill Murray 2:47 We're all learning-

Joe Rogan 2:48 Really?

Bill Murray 2:48 ... something about-

Joe Rogan 2:48 Maybe.

Bill Murray 2:50 What, that one there?

Joe Rogan 2:50 Is '86?

Bill Murray 2:51 With the dog?

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Bill Murray 2:52 Yeah, that's probably, uh, yeah. It was earlier. Blind b- (laughs) blind bat. Where is that? That's funny. It's a- a repli- it's a historic piece, I guess.

Joe Rogan 3:03 When did you meet him?

Bill Murray 3:05 I met him, uh ... Let me drink your magic coffee here. Whose coffee is this?

Joe Rogan 3:09 Laird Hamilton's.

Bill Murray 3:10 Laird Hamilton's magic coffee.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Laird Hamilton's Superfoods.

Bill Murray 3:12 I met him, uh, it was one of those years. Maybe it was after my first real year on Saturday Night Live. Maybe it was 1970, uh, '7, like, the s- spring, summer of '77. (sips coffee) Uh, I was asked by Lorne Michaels, the producer of Saturday Night Live, if I would ... I had to go to ... I- Our season was, had ended. I'd gone to California. And, uh, he asked if I would drive his Volkswagen convertible, a Bug, back cross country for him. I'm like, "Yeah, sure."

Joe Rogan 3:45 (laughs)

Bill Murray 3:46 Well, you know, a week or two later, he was like, "Where's my car?" I'm like, "Y- you didn't give me a time limit," you know. It was ... So I visited people on the way, so I made some stops. I never ... I visited my friend, uh, John Thompson in Reno, biggest little city in the world. And we were, you know, threw our cups out the roof and stuff like that, had a- had a really nice time there. And then I wanted to go to Aspen. I'd never been to Aspen before. And so I went to Aspen and stayed at the Jerome Hotel. I can talk like this, 'cause this show is, like, endless, right?

Joe Rogan 4:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bill Murray 4:17 You know. Yeah. So, um, went to the Jerome Hotel, which was, like, the place to go back then. And it was off season, which is the best time of year to go to any resort town, is like when all the tourists are gone and the citizens regain control of their town for a while.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yeah.

Bill Murray 4:34 So the Jerome Hotel, which would've been full of, like, knucklehead skiers from anywhere was only full of, like, the people that worked the town and lived in the town. And they took over the bar and they took over the swimming pool, which was outside. So that's ... I was there and it was just ... I remember being there and they were, like, beautiful girls and this really funny guy, and I didn't know who he was. And we just had the most fun, you know, making girls laugh. That's kinda what the- what- you know, may or may not have been the reason I was brought here. But, you know, that's ...

Joe Rogan 5:07 (laughs)

Bill Murray 5:07 So we just had the most fun doing it, and then we had this sort of episode where, you know, we- we did an escape act and it was ... It had, you know, consequences. You may uh ... Um, we started talking about an escape act, underwater escape act, and I felt like I could do it, and he, "Uh, you really think you could escape, uh, under water?"

Joe Rogan 5:26 Oh, no.

Bill Murray 5:26 And I said, "Yeah, I think I could do it. I think I could do it," 'cause you just ... I ... So (clears throat) we agreed to, uh, I agreed to be- be a subject. And, uh, you have to know, I did not know who this guy was.

Joe Rogan 5:40 (laughs)

Bill Murray 5:40 I just thought he was, like, a funny guy, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:42 (laughs)

Bill Murray 5:42 So, um, and we were, like, showing off for girls and stuff and being stupid, and it was fun. We were just having fun. So I was tied with socks to a- a lawn chair and le- and lowered into the pool. But just before I went, I said, "Hey, just in case I wanna take a breath while I'm untying my sock knots, I would uh, y- m- m- move me over here to where it's, like, six feet," you know, so if I have to stand up ...... uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Right. You don't have a job.

Bill Murray 6:11 ... I can get up, take a breath, and go back down and continue my-

Joe Rogan 6:14 Right.

Bill Murray 6:14 ... untying, you know. So I went in and, you know, I was untying and the guy could tie some knots, you know, like even with socks.

Joe Rogan 6:22 (laughs)

Bill Murray 6:22 So after a little bit, I thought early on, like, "You know, maybe I'll just take a quick breath and go back down." Well, I stood up. "Well, try it, um, Joe. Um, try and-"

Joe Rogan 6:30 Stand you chair?

Bill Murray 6:30 "... lash yourself to a chair and try to stand up."

Joe Rogan 6:33 Yeah, it's hard.

Bill Murray 6:33 Well, I'm, I'm a little over six feet, but-

Joe Rogan 6:36 See, uh...

Bill Murray 6:36 ... if you're tied to a chair, you don't get to fully extend-

Joe Rogan 6:40 Right.

Bill Murray 6:40 ... your calves any, any more than that. So tied to a chair, I'm only like 5'... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:47 You couldn't get out of the water. Yeah, yeah.

Bill Murray 6:48 5'8" or something like that. And I just, it was funny to see, like, that camera shot of, like, there are people up there and I can't reach them or speak to them because I'm still underwater. So (clears throat) that's when I started to work re- more feverishly on the kno- feverishly on the, on the knots. And I kind of was going, "Hey, hey," you know? (laughs) "This is-"

Joe Rogan 7:07 Yeah.

Bill Murray 7:07 ... uh, you know, I'm, I'm kind of leaning with my head, like, "Push me down to five feet instead of six feet," you know? So, but he was strong enough and because I was buoyant in the water, he just picked up the chair out of the water. So I, I, there we go, I lived through it.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Phew.

Bill Murray 7:21 But it was, it was a funny way to meet someone. And the next day, I found out, uh, that this was Hunter S. Thompson.

Joe Rogan 7:26 (laughs) He never asked him his name?

Bill Murray 7:30 No.

Joe Rogan 7:31 (laughs)

Bill Murray 7:32 He, he never asked me my name. I don't know that he knew who I was either, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:35 (laughs)

Bill Murray 7:35 I, I, I think he thought I was just a funny guy and we were kind of, like, holding court and being funny.

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Joe Rogan 8:42 rogan. That's drinkag1.com/jrogen. Check it out. Well, that must be fun for you though. Like, it's, I enjoy when people don't know who I am. Like, it's very rare for you.

Bill Murray 8:54 Yeah, it's, it's preferable. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:55 Yeah.

Bill Murray 8:55 It's not... But you, you have figured out this way of navigating life where, like, you're not a cellphone guy. You probably don't even have email, do you? No, I have them... I have these things now, but, uh, if you have children, you have to have, uh, you have to get a cellphone.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Right.

Bill Murray 9:10 'Cause they will not answer a telephone, but they will answer a text. So that's-

Joe Rogan 9:14 Right.

Bill Murray 9:15 ... I had to break down.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Yeah. But you've managed to stay blissfully detached in some sort of way.

Bill Murray 9:22 Yeah, my email is-

Joe Rogan 9:23 Very nice.

Bill Murray 9:23 ... aol.com.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Is it really? (laughs)

Bill Murray 9:25 Yeah. So (laughs) that's, uh, that's, that was my, uh, concession to it, but...

Joe Rogan 9:31 One of my favorite things you did with Hunter was when, um, it was a feeling of some sort of a documentary or something, or is in a documentary, the footage is. And you're going around trying to convince people that Nixon got a bad rep.

Bill Murray 9:42 Yeah, yeah. That was good.

Joe Rogan 9:43 (laughs)

Bill Murray 9:43 We were trying to wr- we were trying to write something funny. I was with my friend, Dick Blasucci, on that one. And I can't remember. There were, like, two or three of us that were trying to write this thing. And we rented a, like, a klieg light, uh, you know, like a big Hollywood premiere kind of one of those giant lights that they flash up in the sky. You know, you don't even see them very much anymore, but... And we were just outside the Chateau Marmont where Hunter had a room at that moment and, and we were doing, um, we were excited 'cause Nixon's back, you know? And we were interviewing alleged people on the street, men on the street, saying, "What do you, what do you think about this?" 'Cause it was after Watergate and, and Nixon had basically burrowed down and, and, uh, Hunter had a, like, a powerful hatred of, of Nixon, really didn't like Nixon, of course, but I just remember Dick Blasucci saying, uh, "Well, I'm excited. Uh, he's tanned, he's rested, and he's ready."

Joe Rogan 10:40 (laughs)

Bill Murray 10:40 I still, I still say it all the time. I just, I say it about myself all the time-

Joe Rogan 10:44 (laughs)

Bill Murray 10:44 ... 'cause I think it's funny. "How are you, Bill?" "I'm tanned, I'm rested, and I'm ready." But saying it about Richard Nixon I thought was a really brilliant thing to say.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Well, actually-

Bill Murray 10:51 Anyway-

Joe Rogan 10:51 ... it became a common phrase.

Bill Murray 10:53 (clears throat) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Like, people use it all the time to this day probably not even knowing the origin.

Bill Murray 10:56 That's right.

Joe Rogan 10:57 Yeah.

Bill Murray 10:58 And it's Dick Blasucci who did it. And, uh, and we, we, we weren't there for, like, 45 minutes before, like, "I work in the industry and I know you have to have a permit to have that light on." I mean, there were people, they came at us. We were, we were a growing concern for about one hour tops.

Joe Rogan 11:15 (laughs)

Bill Murray 11:15 And that was with, like, professional, argumentative people, like Hunter, myself, going, "That is a fabulous, uh, watch you're wearing. Where'd you get that?" You know-

Joe Rogan 11:24 (laughs)

Bill Murray 11:25 ... just, just anything to keep this thing going and to keep their, the cameras rolling on our super stuff. But, and demands, but, uh, yeah, that's, that was one of the things. I had a lot of fun with the guy. Really, he, he really was a lot of fun. He really could make a lot of fun.

Joe Rogan 11:42 I really wish I met him. He's one of those people that, gah, just really wish I met him.

Bill Murray 11:46 Well, you can still read it, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:48 Oh, yeah.

Bill Murray 11:48 There's still so much more stuff that I didn't, hadn't even read then. It just keeps appearing. There are things that are-

Joe Rogan 11:54 Yeah.

Bill Murray 11:54 ... so beautiful that he wrote that, that are good and, uh, you know, people text me things and say, you know, about what, what's going on, how sort of pressured he was about things lo- a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 12:08 Yeah, dead on about so many things. I mean, you could take a lot of his commentary on politics from 1976 and apply it easily to today.You know, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail is one of the best books ever on the American political system, just like what it's like when people-

Bill Murray 12:23 I agree.

Joe Rogan 12:23 ... run for office.

Bill Murray 12:24 Yeah. It's a... To me, it's a better book than Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which is, is really fun, but-

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yeah.

Bill Murray 12:30 ... the Campaign Trail book is so insightful about America and, and about Americans, you know.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Yeah.

Bill Murray 12:36 It's great reading.

Joe Rogan 12:37 No, the movie was fun. Fear and Loathing was fun. It was just a... It was a great introduction to a lot of people, maybe, that weren't aware of Hunter. Like, maybe then you'll start reading his, his stuff. But it's... It wasn't all, you know, chaos and acid and seeing lizard people in the, in the bar. It was... There, there was... Like, even... There's moments in Fear and Loathing, the movie, where, you know, he... There's this one thing where Johnny Depp is, uh, at the typewriter. Or is that in the movie or is that in, um, the documentary?

Narrator 13:06 I don't know exactly.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Where he's at the typewriter, he's talking about how the 1960s, there was this great wave of change and then-

Bill Murray 13:15 Yeah. Yeah, the high-water mark-

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah.

Bill Murray 13:16 ... you can see it on the mountains.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah. So he was there when the water broke.

Bill Murray 13:17 It's a beautiful, beautiful piece of writing.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Oh, my God.

Bill Murray 13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 It's amazing.

Bill Murray 13:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:21 It's... And when Johnny Depp is saying... The way he's saying it-

Bill Murray 13:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:24 ... it's like, it's so beautiful and melodic.

Bill Murray 13:27 Yeah. Why, why don't you... Jimmy, why don't see if you can find it?

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yeah, this is it.

Bill Murray 13:30 It's about the most famous li-

Joe Rogan 13:31 Yeah.

Bill Murray 13:31 It's the most famous line he ever wrote.

Narrator 13:33 We've gone ahead five years.

Joe Rogan 13:33 Let's take this in.

Bill Murray 13:33 It's beautiful. Sure, go ahead.

Narrator 13:34 Six, five, four.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Grab the headphones. Let's take this in.

Narrator 13:38 Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Has it been five years? Six? It seems like a lifetime, the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle '60s was a very special time and place to be a part of, but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time in the world, whatever it meant. Oh, the bird is on the wing. And you may not know why. There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. And that, I think, was the handle. Some may go on. That sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense. We didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum. We were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look west, and with the right kind of eyes, you can almost see the high-water mark, that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

Joe Rogan 15:27 God damn, that's good.

Bill Murray 15:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:30 I mean, that is just an amazing piece of writing that so perfectly captured that very strange moment in time where the antiwar, the, the peace-love movement just got drowned out by the Nixon administration.

Bill Murray 15:47 It's a beautiful, uh, piece. Um, it, it glistens your eyes to see it.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Yeah.

Bill Murray 15:51 You know? Not just the thinking of Hunter and the words that he said, but seeing Johnny and, and how close Johnny and Hunter became, how, how much they loved each other and how much they, they shared with each other. It's a really beautiful piece. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 16:07 Yeah, it is a beautiful piece. And, and it's, um, it's just so fucking perfect. It just perfectly-

Bill Murray 16:15 (clears throat) Yeah. He got it. He really got it.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Yeah. It just encapsulates that-

Bill Murray 16:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:19 ... that time, you know? And it's just... (clears throat) Thank God there was a guy like him around (clears throat) to document it from that perspective, to, to like, to give you this, like, insight. And that, the way he did it with gonzo journalism, where he just would have real facts mixed in with fiction and you couldn't tell what was what, and you had to be in on it to understand what he was doing.

Bill Murray 16:41 Yeah, you had to enter the event-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Yeah.

Bill Murray 16:43 ... to, to comment on it. You had to be a part of it.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yeah.

Bill Murray 16:46 You know? Uh-

Joe Rogan 16:48 You played him.

Bill Murray 16:49 I did play him. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:49 Yeah. I do-... We were talking about it before. I loved it.

Bill Murray 16:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:52 Were you at the Buffalo Room?

Bill Murray 16:53 Yeah. We were at Buffalo Room.

Joe Rogan 16:54 Was that weird to play your friend?

Bill Murray 16:57 It was a lot of responsibility.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Yeah.

Bill Murray 17:00 I mean, it was, um... A- any actor that has to play either a living person, especially a living person, or a, a, a famous person has a real responsibility to, to that person. You know, you can't just be that person for 90 minutes. You have to realize that person was that person for 60-some-odd years or 70 or however many years the person was. You've got to try to get all that into your hour and a half or two hours. You've got to try to take in as much as you can so you're not lying, you know? You're at le- at least you're giving the best you can to say, "This is who I think he was. This is who I think that person was, she was, he was."

Joe Rogan 17:41 D- did you run any of it by him? Did you try (clears throat) to talk to him as him?

Bill Murray 17:50 Well, he was living in the guest house.

Joe Rogan 17:55 So you were around him all the time?

Bill Murray 17:56 Yeah. So I would go to work, and, um, I would come home, and then we would stay up. And, uh, sort of just an hour or so before, maybe an hour and a half before, two hours before dawn, he'd have a, uh, a NyQuil and Scotch.... (laughs) in the- in the hot tub and then go to sleep. And then I had to get about 90 minutes, and then (knocking) the teamster was knocking on the window, saying, "Bill." (knocking) "Billy." You know, then I'd have to go to work. So that's what it was like while we- we were shooting the movie.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Wow.

Bill Murray 18:37 Yeah. And he appears in the movie briefly. He appears in the movie briefly. (clears throat) I can't remember all of it, but he appears in the movie briefly. And we did... together we wrote a scene where I was always constantly changing. Uh, John, John Kay wrote the script, but I was always playing with it and i- 'cause I was always being informed more, you know. And I... that's what I did anyway, I just pretty much, you know... I felt the freedom to change anything. But we did write a scene, Hunter and I wrote a scene late... that was late in the movie. (clears throat) Pardon me. They gave me these beautiful massive, um, things.

Joe Rogan 19:17 Cough drops?

Bill Murray 19:17 Here. You want one?

Joe Rogan 19:18 No, thank you.

Bill Murray 19:22 Um, yeah, so he was in on a lot of it and- and the- and the- and- and the editing of it, you know, we- we can secretly say that too. And- and the- and the, um... you know, it was a lot of, um... there was a lot... he was really involved.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Very nice.

Bill Murray 19:42 So...

Joe Rogan 19:43 Good shot.

Bill Murray 19:45 Um...

Joe Rogan 19:46 So you're saying he wrote a scene, you guys wrote a scene together?

Bill Murray 19:48 Yeah, we wrote a scene together, yeah. Which was, um, encountering Nixon in a- in a urinal. 'Cause he did have a moment with Nixon where-

Joe Rogan 19:56 Yes.

Bill Murray 19:57 ... he probably won't remember that.

Joe Rogan 19:57 In the limo.

Bill Murray 19:58 Remember. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Yeah.

Bill Murray 19:59 And he was told he could not speak politics, they could only talk NFL football.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Yeah.

Bill Murray 20:04 Which Nixon was rather, you know, knowledgeable about, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:08 Yeah.

Bill Murray 20:08 And Hunter copped to it. It was like, yeah, the guy really studied it and... and George Allen, he... he... it's in the book, you know, but...

Joe Rogan 20:15 Yeah.

Bill Murray 20:16 He... Nixon even wrote a- designed a play that he gave to George Allen, who was the coach of the Washington Redskins back then. And, uh, it was like... it was... they lost like 10 yards or something on the play, but Allen actually played... ran the play-

Joe Rogan 20:32 Wow.

Bill Murray 20:32 ... Nixon's play. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:34 That's crazy.

Bill Murray 20:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:35 It's just w- also insane that they would let Hunter get in a limousine with the president. Like, just that alone. Like, uh, who, you know, who green lit that? (laughs) Who thought that was a good idea?

Bill Murray 20:48 Well, he was... he'd been on the c- I mean, he was on the campaign trail.

Joe Rogan 20:51 Sure.

Bill Murray 20:51 He also... for whatever he was, the people who knew... and, you know, like Secret Service guys, you ever run into them, they like read people for a living. This is what they do.

Joe Rogan 21:01 Mm-hmm.

Bill Murray 21:01 You know, they read people. And they can really burn a hole through your head-

Joe Rogan 21:05 Sure.

Bill Murray 21:06 ... and your body ju- just looking at you.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Yeah.

Bill Murray 21:09 And they'll- they'll- they'll give you this one, you know, they'll just-

Joe Rogan 21:11 Oh, yeah.

Bill Murray 21:11 ... really burn you. And, you know, he'd been on the tour, "the tour," he'd been on the- on the road with them. They knew who he was (clears throat) , they knew what he was after hours, and they knew what he was during hours where he w-... the people who were really smart knew this guy's really smart. This guy's really smart, he knows politics. And y- you can't try to dumb down... you can't try to like big time him 'cause he'll kill you. He'll chop you... he's- he's got the words to answer and he has the intelligence. So he was- he was a force. People knew who he was, you know, even the... you know, to get information, you gotta go into the people who work for the guy, you know. He... so the people that work for the guy know who he is, and they've already established that they have a relationship with him, they can speak for them, he's talking a certain way, there's a reality check. You know, if you're running someone's political campaign, you have the best jokes about the campaign, you know. Not Hunter Thompson, maybe, but-

Joe Rogan 22:09 Right. Right. Right.

Bill Murray 22:09 ... you have the best jokes 'cause you've seen it all.

Joe Rogan 22:11 Right.

Bill Murray 22:11 You know how stupid things get. And- and, you know, if you can be realistic and savvy about those things, then- then people trust you.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Well-

Bill Murray 22:18 You know?

Joe Rogan 22:19 ... it's pre- still pretty extraordinary that they also got him to agree, or at least, he- uh, thought he would agree that he would only talk about football.

Bill Murray 22:28 Well, he knew if he blew it-

Joe Rogan 22:29 Right.

Bill Murray 22:29 ... that was it.

Joe Rogan 22:30 That's true too.

Bill Murray 22:30 And that was gonna be the end of it.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah.

Bill Murray 22:31 And it was only, you know... I don't know what month it was, but...

Joe Rogan 22:34 There's more coffee in this if you like. (water pouring)

Bill Murray 22:36 Oh, is that your stuff?

Joe Rogan 22:37 No, that's everybody's. That's, uh-

Bill Murray 22:39 Okay. Well, I... we sh- uh, all right, we'll try to finish that off.

Joe Rogan 22:41 It's hot.

Bill Murray 22:41 I don't have-

Joe Rogan 22:41 I just feel like yours is probably been sitting there for a while.

Bill Murray 22:42 It doesn't have to be super. I keep coffee for days.

Joe Rogan 22:47 I hear you.

Bill Murray 22:47 Like at least- at least two days. If it's not hot, it's got ice in it.

Joe Rogan 22:50 You just keep drinking it?

Bill Murray 22:51 I just keep drinking it.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah.

Bill Murray 22:53 That smells good. What kind is that?

Joe Rogan 22:55 Black Rifle Coffee.

Bill Murray 22:57 Where does that come from?

Joe Rogan 22:58 Uh, it's a American company, veteran-owned company that, um... made by real coffee nuts that travel around the world and find different blends and different-

Bill Murray 23:08 It smells good.

Joe Rogan 23:09 It's very good.

Bill Murray 23:09 There's a lot of coffee you can't even smell.

Joe Rogan 23:10 It's excellent.

Bill Murray 23:10 That's great.

Joe Rogan 23:10 It's very good coffee. Yeah. (clears throat) It's just, uh, that, um, that meeting in the limousine is like one of my favorite meetings, because it just... you could feel how weird it must have been for Hunter to be sitting in a limo getting a ride with Nixon and they're just talking about football, and that they could find common ground.

Bill Murray 23:29 Well, it's very much like, this is happening... this has been happening in- in my life anyway, and- and- and I'm sure it's happening in everyone's life th- for the last, gotta be 10 years, where you meet people, we have something in common, we've got to... uh, we've got to... something we gotta get done, you know. But if we talk politics, we're leaving the rails, you know.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Right.

Bill Murray 23:51 All hell's gonna, you know... we're- we're not gonna get along... we're not gonna get anything done, we're never gonna be friends, and- and, you know, it could get... be worse than that. We could be... we could, you know, be adversaries or even enemies or...

Joe Rogan 24:03 Right.

Bill Murray 24:04 You know? So that... I mean, it's... you- you mentioned it, it's like I go places where, and y- I'm sure you do too, where you just can't talk... you just don't wanna talk politics with people, 'cause there are people that are... you know, whose politics can be the exact opposite of yours, completely s- n- t- 12 to 6, and yet they're people that have lived lives...... that are so extraordinary and so enormous in terms of what they give to the world and the planet. And you think, "Well, how..." (laughs) You know, "Why would I, like, ever wanna get..." How do- it's- it's a mystery, you know? It's kind of a mystery. But it's- if you don't, like, k- k- value that first instead of your kinda political-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Right.

Bill Murray 24:51 ... you know, handkerchief, you know, you're- you're making a m- more of a mess, you know? And that's kinda what's... (sighs) You know, that's f- uh, that's how I feel a lot about what's going on in anywhere.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Yeah.

Bill Murray 25:03 Everywhere, you know? That people are leading with their- their handkerchief and not their- not with their, uh, whole self, you know, what they understand about what living is.

Joe Rogan 25:14 I agree 100%. I think that we're just too tribally divided, and people look at it, like, it's us versus them. They en- enjoy the comfort of being a part of a tribe. They lock onto whatever ideologies the tribe support, and then anybody who opposes that is somehow now the enemy.

Bill Murray 25:31 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:31 And it's just a- it's a division tactic that's been used by th- the people that actually run the government, the actual world itself. The real people of this world, especially the people of this country, have- mostly share the same common core needs. You wanna be healthy, you wanna have a good family-

Bill Murray 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... you wanna be able to make a living, you wanna live in a safe place, you want your kids to be able to go to a good school. You want everybody to prosper and have a good time.

Bill Murray 25:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:57 That's most of what life is. All this other shit that people get so goddamn caught up in, most of it has very little to do with you, and you get locked into it like it's 100% of your identity, and the next thing you know, anybody who opposes you is Hitler. And it- it just gets... It-

Bill Murray 26:16 That's true.

Joe Rogan 26:17 It gets so toxic.

Bill Murray 26:18 His name gets bandied about (laughs) a lot lately, doesn't it?

Joe Rogan 26:21 Yeah, it's a good one.

Bill Murray 26:21 You know what? But you sort of started it be- by saying- by bringing up that quotation of Hunters, which is so ... And- and I think about that all the time. I- I- I- I can not a- but I think about it regularly, like, "What was that, that force, that that movement had?"

Joe Rogan 26:38 Yeah.

Bill Murray 26:38 That antiwar movement, whatever that was. You know, it wasn't perfect, you know? It wasn't perfect. I think the thing that ... If- if- if I had to regret anything or anyone regrets anything about it, was the sort of hostility that was shown towards the actual servicemen.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Right.

Bill Murray 26:56 Most of whom were drafted-

Joe Rogan 26:57 Right.

Bill Murray 26:57 ... you know?

Joe Rogan 26:58 Right.

Bill Murray 26:58 To fight, you know? So the- those service people had an experience that I will never have. I was in a military movie. That's as good as it ever got for me. But there's- the thing about being in war together with people is everybody hates war. S- h- and who could hate it more than someone that was there?

Joe Rogan 27:16 Right.

Bill Murray 27:16 But the sort of camaraderie that you had is an experience. I'll never have that. I'll never have that thing that, you know, Rambo had, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:25 Right.

Bill Murray 27:25 I'll never have that thing, and I don't think that ... I- I- I think that the sort of ... There could've been more vision about wh- who's- who we're talking to or who- who we're talking to about whatever kinda change you wanna make. And so that the agents of it are not necessarily the architects, like you say.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Right.

Bill Murray 27:45 The people who are making this tribal thing. They're not the agents of it, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:50 Right.

Bill Murray 27:50 They're the architects of it, and it ... And how- how do you- how do you jump over or how do you, you know, elim- you know ... Excuse. Or not- excuse isn't the word, but how do you ...

Joe Rogan 28:03 Unite?

Bill Murray 28:03 Miss the people that are the agents, who are just people that have a job or whatever it is? They're f- they're f- they're doing their work to survive and live, whatever it is. How do you get to the architects with whatever you feel is a- is that a c- wha- what- what could be a shared experience and get them to, like, sort of dissolve the creation or the tri- tribal moral? I think it's- it's ... You a- you ask a great question. You know, you have people on here, I guess, that know, you know, or think about those things and have the ability to do something about it. I don't think I have the ability to do anything more than something for myself, mostly. You know, it's just a-

Joe Rogan 28:43 But you do, because you have the ability to express yourself, and you're an example. And a lot of times, when someone's a very reasonable, intelligent person like you, and you express yourself, other people get inspired to maybe reexamine the way they're looking at things.

Bill Murray 28:55 (clears throat) Well, that's- I- I- I- that's a nice hope. I hope that maybe that'll-

Joe Rogan 28:59 I think that's it.

Bill Murray 28:59 ... that'll happen.

Joe Rogan 29:00 I think that's maybe one of the only things.

Bill Murray 29:01 Well, right back at ya then, okay?

Joe Rogan 29:02 Thank you.

Bill Murray 29:02 Okay. There you go.

Joe Rogan 29:03 Because part of our problem in this country is that we're in competition every two years. Every two years, you have midterms-

Bill Murray 29:09 It is crazy, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 29:10 ... and you have elections every four years. So we're con-

Bill Murray 29:11 We don't get a break.

Joe Rogan 29:12 No, we don't get a break.

Bill Murray 29:13 We don't get a break from these people. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:14 No, we don't get a break. We don't get a break from division.

Bill Murray 29:17 We don't get a break.

Joe Rogan 29:18 We don't get a break from propaganda. We don't get a break from, uh, new threats. We don't get a break. It's like every day, it's a new thing, and, um, and it keeps us completely in this, uh, st- constant state of stress and- and anxiety, and also this fear of y- being overcome. Like, your side's going to lose.

Bill Murray 29:38 Yeah, if I fall asleep too early tonight-

Joe Rogan 29:40 The bad people are going t- ... Yeah.

Bill Murray 29:40 ... I'll- yeah, I'll- I'll- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:42 We're gonna lose the internet.

Bill Murray 29:43 I'm- I'm supposed to be on watch or something.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, uh, very, very stressful, and it's not healthy for human beings to be constantly in a state of competition and stress. It's bad for ... And then on top of that, you have most people are addicted to social media, so you're constantly getting inundated with the worst fucking things in the world all day long, and you're freaking out. It's terrible for you.

Bill Murray 30:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:04 It's fucking terrible for you.

Bill Murray 30:05 I mean, that footage made me cry, and now you're gonna make me cry.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Yeah.

Bill Murray 30:07 Okay. No, it's ... But it's, um, it's true. It's- I- someone's gotta- there has to be, uh, some sort of a new- I don't know if it has to be a club, but, you know, there's gotta be some sort of new m- You know, it used to be music. I think music f- played such a big part of-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Yes.

Bill Murray 30:22 ... of whatever that movement was.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Yes.

Bill Murray 30:23 Whatever you call the peace movement or the-

Joe Rogan 30:26 Yes.

Bill Murray 30:26 ... the hippies or-

Joe Rogan 30:26 Yes.

Bill Murray 30:27 ... you know. Whatever it was-

Joe Rogan 30:29 Well-

Bill Murray 30:29 ... it was a- it was a extraordinary moment in time, and the music was part of the- part of the experience and part of the, um-... it brought the message and it sort of, it crashed through everybody's brain. You know, it wasn't, there wasn't a side to it.

Joe Rogan 30:46 Right.

Bill Murray 30:46 It's like, what were the soldiers listening to in Vietnam? Jimi Hendrix.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Yeah.

Bill Murray 30:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 30:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Murray 30:51 What were, you know? (laughs) We were all listening to the same stuff-

Joe Rogan 30:54 Yeah.

Bill Murray 30:54 ... no matter where you were.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Yeah.

Bill Murray 30:56 No matter where you were, you were listening to the same music, no matter what your politic thing was. The music sort of told a story and sorta sugg- suggested a possibility. So-

Joe Rogan 31:07 And the music was so much different than the music of the past.

Bill Murray 31:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 And it was like, you go from 1959 to 1969, you're dealing with a completely different dimension. And it's because it was all psychedelically inspired. And that was another thing that the Nixon administration did. They passed that sweeping Schedule 1 Psychedelics Act, made everything illegal, and th- just threw water on the whole movement. And then everything changes. Then you have the '70s, music starts getting weird. In the '80s, it completely falls apart. Cars start looking like shit, people start dressing stupid. It's like-

Bill Murray 31:39 Now you're talking.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Bill Murray 31:40 Now you're talking.

Joe Rogan 31:40 It got weird.

Bill Murray 31:41 Uh, it's a real language, y- you know.

Joe Rogan 31:42 Yeah.

Bill Murray 31:43 It's like when... I, I never tied it all to the, the, the, that sweeping thing, but, but w- when you revisit that, you realize how much, uh, h- harm that did, that, that kind of, um, lawmaking. But let's all agree that the cars don't look as good as they used to.

Joe Rogan 32:00 They look like dog shit.

Bill Murray 32:01 Okay, let's, let's, who, who's the, who are those people that say that they're really good problem solvers, I see them every once in a while, and they go like, "How does he do it?" I say, "Well, first I say, what can we agree on?" Okay, so we can agree that cars don't look so good no more, you know? That-

Joe Rogan 32:16 Well, they look good now.

Bill Murray 32:16 It used to be that every single year, every single car looked different-

Joe Rogan 32:21 Yes.

Bill Murray 32:21 ... than it looked the year before.

Joe Rogan 32:23 Yes.

Bill Murray 32:23 And that's mind boggling nowadays to think about that. And even now with the... Cars are made of, I don't know, plastic. What are they made of?

Joe Rogan 32:30 Yeah, they're made of shit.

Bill Murray 32:31 They're made of nothing. They're not made of steel. They did it with steel back then.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Right.

Bill Murray 32:35 And now they're made with, I don't know, some sort of carbon something or other. And y- you would think they would be able to, like... I don't know what a 3D printer is, I have to confess.

Joe Rogan 32:44 (laughs)

Bill Murray 32:45 (laughs) I have no idea what a-

Joe Rogan 32:47 We actually talked about it yesterday.

Bill Murray 32:48 I have no idea what a 3D-

Joe Rogan 32:49 The biggest one's four feet long.

Bill Murray 32:51 Uh, the biggest one is four feet long?

Joe Rogan 32:52 Yeah, that's what Elon was saying. They're not that big.

Bill Murray 32:54 So can you make-

Joe Rogan 32:55 You can't make giant things.

Bill Murray 32:57 ... can you make a table out of this? You can't make anything bigger than four feet?

Joe Rogan 32:58 Not really. I don't think so.

Bill Murray 32:59 But I mean-

Joe Rogan 33:00 I mean, maybe there's some, like, sup-

Bill Murray 33:01 ... car parts now are... I mean, if you have a car-

Joe Rogan 33:04 Yeah.

Bill Murray 33:04 If you have a fender bender, there's like seven parts that you have to replace now.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bill Murray 33:08 Panels and panels and panels.

Joe Rogan 33:09 But that's also because they're better structurally to, uh, withstand impact. They have these crumple layers and they're designed-

Bill Murray 33:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:15 ... in a way that makes it safer for you. They're a lot safer than old cars. I fucking love old cars.

Bill Murray 33:19 And, and this... And the sound systems are better.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Yeah.

Bill Murray 33:21 Let's face it.

Joe Rogan 33:21 But new cars look great. New cars are awesome. Th- There's a lot of, like, really good-looking American cars, a lot of really good-looking German cars. What happened in the 1970s and the 1980s was a drop-off, a significant drop-off from the '60s. The '60s cars were some of the best-looking cars of all time. Like a '65 Corvette-

Bill Murray 33:40 Yeah, power.

Joe Rogan 33:40 ... one of the greatest looking cars the world's ever designed.

Bill Murray 33:43 I, I, I was a '62 Corvette guy, to be honest with you.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Oh, those were beautiful too. Model one, the first one, generation one. But, like, you know, the Camaros and Barracudas, like, they made beautiful, wild-looking cars back then.

Bill Murray 33:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:55 And I think a lot of that had to do with just the, the, the way creativity was encouraged in the 1960s. It was more free-flowing. The music was completely radical and different, politics was radical and different. And that's why they passed those laws. They passed those laws to stop the anti-war movement. It was, the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement.

Bill Murray 34:18 And the guy they put in charge was a man who had absolutely no qualifications, who had no qualifications to do any of it.

Joe Rogan 34:24 No.

Bill Murray 34:24 Yeah. It's kind of a, it's a... I've got a f- someone, a friend that's been trying to get me to do a movie about it, but the, the person responsible for making all the laws was someone who had absolutely no background in any of the fields, no knowledge whatsoever, just a total huckster-

Joe Rogan 34:41 Yeah.

Bill Murray 34:41 ... that got himself out in front.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Well, they probably had a mandate, they gave him a mandate. "This is what we're gonna do, this is the plan. We're gonna lock up all these hippies and lock up all these people."

Bill Murray 34:49 Well, I'll carry the flag. I'll carry the flag. Yeah, whatever it is, you know.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Yeah.

Bill Murray 34:53 I'll run up the hill.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Exactly.

Bill Murray 34:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah.

Bill Murray 34:57 Well, I heard that Buick is gonna make a car, and I, this could be wrong, but I heard they're gonna make a car next year that's not gonna look like any car ever. It's gonna be like a brand new, whenever the hell, '25 or '26 Buick. And it's not gonna look like the '24 or '25. It's gonna look like its own individual thing, that they're gonna try to re- to re- to re- to recommence the idea of making a new car every year. You didn't hear this?

Joe Rogan 35:30 No. Like a completely new kinda model?

Bill Murray 35:32 Yeah, like the idea that you would make a car that looked, didn't look like every... I mean, like, you can look at a car and you go like, "That's a Volvo, but that part of it looks like a Mercedes, that part of it looks like an Infiniti, that part of the car-

Joe Rogan 35:44 Right.

Bill Murray 35:44 ... looks like, you know, a Toyota." That kind... You know, they're, they're... It's like-

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah.

Bill Murray 35:48 You've heard probably the story about the... What's that car called? The Ford that's got a animal name?

Joe Rogan 35:55 Mustang?

Bill Murray 35:55 Taurus.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Taurus.

Bill Murray 35:56 Now there's a story, now it could be apocryphal.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Okay.

Bill Murray 35:58 That the Ford Taurus. You never heard this one?

Joe Rogan 36:01 No.

Bill Murray 36:01 I thought you were, like, this guy who had all the information.

Joe Rogan 36:03 The Taurus is a piece of shit. I don't care about Tauruses.

Bill Murray 36:05 Okay. Well, the Taurus... Yeah, the Taurus is like, it's not the most beautiful car in the world.

Joe Rogan 36:09 No.

Bill Murray 36:10 But it was a huge seller for Ford. They sold a lot of them. And the story is that these guys at Ford designed a car and they took the rear quarter panel from this automobile, the, the fender from this, the back fender from this, the rear windows from this, and just did a composite of all these different cars. And they, and, and it's 'cause the car was, "This car is bullshit and we'll call it the Taurus." And they presented it to Ford who went, "We love it."

Joe Rogan 36:43 (laughs)

Bill Murray 36:44 And then proceeded to sell-... hundreds of thousands of them.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Oh.

Bill Murray 36:47 And that, this is a story, like, where, where's your phone calls here? "Faye, c- c- caller number one, you heard about this?" No one's ever heard this story?

Joe Rogan 36:54 No.

Bill Murray 36:55 You've never heard this one?

Joe Rogan 36:55 I've never heard that, no.

Bill Murray 36:56 Well there, that's the story.

Joe Rogan 36:57 But I believe it, it makes sense.

Bill Murray 36:58 But you can believe it if you look at the cars that are built now.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Right.

Bill Murray 37:01 That they are absolutely like... Look at that damn Volvo, it looks exactly like a three-year-ago Mercedes or something like that. They just really just steal and-

Joe Rogan 37:11 Jamie, pull up 2024 M- Shelby Mustang Super Snake. So there's still-

Bill Murray 37:18 Better yet, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 37:19 ... some cars.

Bill Murray 37:19 Roll it in here.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Just ch- check it, check out what this looks like. There's cars that they make today that are unique looking-

Bill Murray 37:25 Metal.

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... and look badass.

Bill Murray 37:26 I wish I'd bought a Shelby back when I first had a paycheck, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 37:29 Oh, yeah.

Bill Murray 37:29 ... yeah, they're such beautiful cars.

Joe Rogan 37:30 That's-

Bill Murray 37:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Look at that. Come on.

Bill Murray 37:32 Well, that kind of, funny, funny when I first look at it, it looks a little Chevy to me.

Joe Rogan 37:36 It does a little bit. It could be like a Camaro.

Bill Murray 37:38 I mean, look at that. That looks like Chevy.

Joe Rogan 37:40 I mean, that's a beautiful car though, right?

Bill Murray 37:43 Well, th- we, wha- you know, they-

Joe Rogan 37:45 That's a fucking-

Bill Murray 37:46 You could photograph either of us from a certain angle, and we both got-

Joe Rogan 37:47 No, no, I've seen that one in real life. That's a beautiful car.

Bill Murray 37:50 You know, could be the... Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 37:51 That's a beautiful car.

Bill Murray 37:53 That's better. But it-

Joe Rogan 37:54 Oh, and it sounds amazing.

Bill Murray 37:55 But I'd hate to hit anything with that thing.

Joe Rogan 37:56 In what way?

Bill Murray 37:58 I would hate to bump into anything. It looks like I'd have to, uh, I would have to take the car back for six weeks.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah, you'd have to replace a lot of shit. That's true. That's reality.

Bill Murray 38:03 Let's see what... Can you big up that picture there? W- what's, what, what's the rear look like? Oh, it's got a spoiler?

Narrator 38:08 Up, up, up here.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Yeah. Come on.

Bill Murray 38:10 I know, I know, I don't know how you feel about spoilers.

Joe Rogan 38:12 That looks fucking badass.

Bill Murray 38:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:13 That thing looks awesome. That looks amazing.

Bill Murray 38:18 Well, I think the original one is like the s- super coolest car of them all.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Oh, yeah.

Bill Murray 38:21 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Oh, no doubt.

Bill Murray 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:23 I mean, if you go back and look at, like, pull up a Boss 429, 1969 Boss 429. This, to me, is the pinnacle of muscle car design, is the Boss 429. Like, that is just-

Bill Murray 38:36 That's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 38:36 ... spectacular. Look at that.

Bill Murray 38:38 So now what year is-

Joe Rogan 38:38 Look at that. Come-

Bill Murray 38:39 Well, that's pretty close-

Joe Rogan 38:40 I mean, that-

Bill Murray 38:40 Well, that's got that scoop in the front.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah.

Bill Murray 38:42 That's pretty close to the Bullet year, right? The Bullet car?

Joe Rogan 38:45 '68, yeah. Bullet was '68. I actually have a recreation of that.

Bill Murray 38:49 I was watching it the o- you know, did you, they found the original Bullet car, did you know that?

Joe Rogan 38:52 Yes. Yeah, it sold for like three million bucks.

Bill Murray 38:53 I was reading about that this week, 'cause I saw it was on TV last week.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Yeah.

Bill Murray 38:56 And I've watched it a lot of times, that movie, 'cause, and you know, I think Steve McQueen's pretty, pretty damn good. But y- when you watch the movie, it's, it's obviously the roaring through San Francisco and all that sort of stuff s- it's famous for. And then there's the ending where there's... (clears throat) The start of the story ends with kind of a flaming crash, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:16 Mm-hmm.

Bill Murray 39:16 It's kinda not really kind of an ending, in a way. But, but watching it this particular time, it was all the moments in between all that that really make the movie.

Joe Rogan 39:28 (clicks tongue) Yes.

Bill Murray 39:28 All the quiet in between where he's in the grocery store.

Joe Rogan 39:31 Yes.

Bill Murray 39:32 He's with the girl, he's at the mailbox.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Yeah.

Bill Murray 39:33 He's seeing these people and these people. And he has this very quiet inner self that's dealing with people very respectfully. And it, and his, his, his blood pressure only moves, th- the needle only starts to move when he gets with the bad guy, Chalmers, who's obviously a, you know, a fraud of some sort. And he's got him like, you see him like, not just as a- an actor keeping his cool, but as like a cop keeping his cool with like a, a person he knows is trying to use him. And that, those, those, just watching that part of the performance and that part of the story was much more interesting. The first time is I saw all that as its own weave through it, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:12 Yes.

Bill Murray 40:12 That the, the car stuff had very little to do with what I was getting from-

Joe Rogan 40:16 Yes.

Bill Murray 40:17 ... from the, from the people. The car stuff was nothing. And his boss was a great actor. Simon Oakland, I think is his name is. He was great as his boss who said, "Eh, I'm gonna hold this till Monday morning." You know, that kind of guy.

Joe Rogan 40:30 (laughs)

Bill Murray 40:30 And, um, (clears throat) there were some great acting in that. It's a really beautiful American movie like that.

Joe Rogan 40:37 I'm so glad you brought that up because it- it's- it's one of the things that I love about that movie and Le Mans, uh, another great Steve McQueen movie, is that he had these m- moments. And you could do that in a movie back then, where no one was talking for minutes and minutes at a time.

Bill Murray 40:53 There's a lot of quiet in Bullet.

Joe Rogan 40:55 There's no music.

Bill Murray 40:55 A lot of quiet.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Yes.

Bill Murray 40:56 Amazing, yeah. True.

Joe Rogan 40:57 It's just you're taking in this story, but it's very compelling. And sometimes there's not even any music, right? Like in Le Mans.

Bill Murray 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 The whole f- first part of it, there's no talking at all for quite a while. It's just like you're getting the sounds and the feeling of being this race car driver, and he's driving his 911 down this country road.

Bill Murray 41:19 Vroom.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Yeah.

Bill Murray 41:20 Vroom.

Joe Rogan 41:20 And it's, it's, it, it engrosses you in a different way. It, it dr- it pulls you into the story.

Bill Murray 41:25 Is that Bullet where he's riding... What movie is he driving like a dune buggy? Is that Bullet too? Or is that... No, that's the other one, the, uh, one in Boston. That's a pretty good movie too.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Which one's that?

Bill Murray 41:37 Oh, come on. They remade it. Um...

Narrator 41:40 Oh, the Crown Affair?

Bill Murray 41:40 Precis- Thomas Crown Affair.

Joe Rogan 41:43 Oh.

Bill Murray 41:43 Yeah. And obviously he's having the time, you know, it's like-

Joe Rogan 41:46 Yes.

Bill Murray 41:46 ... "How about we shoot some stuff in a dune buggy?"

Joe Rogan 41:48 (laughs)

Bill Murray 41:48 And basically they had like a whole day.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Oh, there it is.

Bill Murray 41:51 Yeah, this.

Joe Rogan 41:51 Yeah.

Bill Murray 41:52 And he's having a time, and meanwhile he's got Faye Dunaway in there going... I hope that's Faye Dunaway anyway, (clears throat) roaring around, and he could really drive, right? He, guy could really drive a car.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Oh, yeah. Like really drive. Like you could really flip one of these fucking things if you're driving like him-

Bill Murray 42:09 For sure.

Joe Rogan 42:09 ... and you don't know what you're doing.

Bill Murray 42:10 For sure.

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah, he's going sideways.

Bill Murray 42:13 And she is, uh, she is having the time of her life. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 42:17 (laughs)

Bill Murray 42:17 Spinning it out in the water.

Joe Rogan 42:18 With a movie star who doesn't even have a seatbelt on probably.

Bill Murray 42:22 No, they didn't have seat belts back then.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Jesus Christ.

Bill Murray 42:25 Well, she might have a seatbelt. She looks like she's belted.

Joe Rogan 42:27 He's-

Bill Murray 42:27 But that was cool.

Joe Rogan 42:28 He was like the archetypal, ar- archetypal movie star. He was a movie star. Like that w- that guy was a movie star. You know, there was something about him that was compelling. He lived his life in a sort of wild, renegade way and drove race cars and he was just a man's man. And when you saw him in a movie, you believed it.

Bill Murray 42:46 Well, I've been watching, um... I've come to be watching all the old cowboy shows on, on the, on the satellite. I watch all the old cowboy shows, and wanted dead or- Dead or Alive was always a super cool show, and I've been watching it just to see, "What the hell's he up to?" Man, he is just... no one was getting away with that. No one was doing what he was doing, which was so small and so slight. He was really preparing himself to be a movie actor, uh, you know-

Narrator 43:13 Ah.

Bill Murray 43:13 ... because his, his performances is so controlled. He's so in, in his skin, you know? And he's always got, like, a piece of business to do. He always had a piece of business to do, like something to do, like the way he, like, strapped on his goofy sawed-off rifle and stuff. It's not even... you know, you keep thinking it's a sawed-off shotgun. It's a sawed-off rifle, you know? So just all his moves were very little. His face gave very, very little away. He would pout, do a half pout kinda stuff, and it's just fun to watch him, see how little he could do and get it done-

Narrator 43:51 Yeah.

Bill Murray 43:51 ... and get it across. I, I, I like, I like that about him. But he always had, like... he kind of challenged himself to do something physical, like so he... if he'd be talking to you, he'd be, he'd have just even that, even something like that to be like, you know, come in here, you know. He would just... the way he did it was a guy who had a real natural way with his body. It was fun.

Narrator 44:12 Yeah. Well, he would just draw you in-

Bill Murray 44:14 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 44:15 ... in, in all of his films, just so it's like in a way that was ju-... it was just different. It's just like it was a different presence on screen.

Bill Murray 44:21 There's that guy.

Narrator 44:23 Sawed-off rifle.

Bill Murray 44:24 See, it's a sawed-off. It's not a shotgun, it's a rifle.

Narrator 44:28 Huh. What year was this?

Bill Murray 44:31 And he had... see that little shtick he's got? He's got it so it locks in and then swings back.

Narrator 44:35 Ah.

Bill Murray 44:35 So he could actually, if he wished to-

Narrator 44:38 I never s-

Bill Murray 44:38 ... you better hope he better not wish to against you two.

Narrator 44:40 (laughs)

Bill Murray 44:40 He could just sort of swivel it and fire while it's still attached to his, uh, his waistband, to his belt.

Narrator 44:45 I never saw this show. I didn't even know it existed.

Bill Murray 44:46 You never saw this show?

Narrator 44:48 I didn't know it exists until right now.

Bill Murray 44:49 What kind of a citizen are you?

Narrator 44:51 I, um, a little younger, that's all it is.

Bill Murray 44:53 This is a... that's all it is. Well, you can find this. There's these new cowboy shows, uh, channels. There's... you can... there's like four channels. Uh, I have DirecTV and, and so you can go and watch that... God, that's a famous guy. That's... oh God. Oh, who's that? Oh. Oh, that's killing me. I know who this guy is. Well, I don't know who he is, but I recognize him.

Narrator 45:16 (laughs)

45:17 I'll look it up.

Bill Murray 45:17 Help me somebody. Who's that guy?

Narrator 45:19 Jamie will find it.

Bill Murray 45:20 The, um... anyway, there's a few channels. There's one called INSP. There's also the Cowboy Channel. There's also channel, uh, 364, 304, 323-

Narrator 45:32 Is this-

Bill Murray 45:32 ... 81.

Narrator 45:33 ... DirecTV? What is this?

Bill Murray 45:34 DirecTV. And they're all... and you can... and I just go through going like, "What have I got to find?" So I can see the Rifleman. Do you-

Narrator 45:41 Oh yeah.

Bill Murray 45:41 Did you ever see The Rifleman?

Narrator 45:41 I remember that. That was a great show.

Bill Murray 45:42 Also a rifle guy.

Narrator 45:44 Yeah.

Bill Murray 45:44 But he had a full-length rifle. And that was Chuck Connors, who once upon a time was a Chicago Cub, was a baseball player.

Narrator 45:49 Oh, really?

Bill Murray 45:50 Yes. And allegedly did some, uh, art films. But also he was good too. Chuck Connors was good. Um, The Lone Ranger.

Narrator 46:01 Oh yeah. Sure.

Bill Murray 46:02 And that was, uh... oh God, come on. Why can't I remember his name? But there were some Lone Rangers. The Lone Ranger came on and then the guy... I didn't realize it 'cause there's some Lone Rangers where it's not our Lone Ranger being the Lone Ranger and who wasn't as good as our Lone Ranger, and then our Lone Ranger comes back. And it turns out... I finally figured out that he, he sort of went on strike. He said he wanted a contract raise after the first season or something, and they like said no. They went ahead and made a season with this other guy and people went, "When are you gonna kill off the Lone Ranger?" You know?

Narrator 46:36 (laughs)

Bill Murray 46:36 No offense to that man's family. I'm sure it paid for somebody's college, but... oh, come on. I almost had it.

Narrator 46:44 The guy's name?

Bill Murray 46:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 46:46 Jamie will find it.

46:48 I got it.

Bill Murray 46:49 Jamie, you got a lot on your plate.

Narrator 46:51 (laughs)

46:51 Yeah, I gotta... I, I switched over to the Lone Ranger. I was looking at people that were listed here. I'll, I'll give you this one, Dead or Alive.

Bill Murray 46:55 Oh, come on.

Narrator 46:55 There's a few people listed here as guest stars.

Bill Murray 46:57 I actually saw him someplace. He came to like a Jewel-

Narrator 46:59 Is it one of these names? Michael Landon?

47:00 It's not one... Landon, Warren Oates.

47:01 Warren Oates?

47:03 I was looking down here.

47:03 It's definitely not Coburn.

Bill Murray 47:05 No, it's none of those guys. Lon Chaney is misspelled.

Narrator 47:08 All right.

Bill Murray 47:08 But it's not those guys.

Narrator 47:09 I tried that.

Bill Murray 47:10 Coburn's in there twice.

Narrator 47:11 Uh, Lone Ranger here. One of these guys maybe?

Bill Murray 47:16 No.

Narrator 47:17 All right. I'll try again, sorry.

Bill Murray 47:18 No. See, it started on radio first. That's what you're getting. You're get-... you're pulling up radio.

Narrator 47:21 Oh, yeah.

Bill Murray 47:21 That's how far back you're going.

Narrator 47:23 Clayton Moore?

Bill Murray 47:24 Clayton Moore. Thank you. I saw Clayton Moore. He came to a Jewel food store near us. The Lone Ranger was gonna appear, but he was not allowed to wear the mask for like contract whatever the hell.

Narrator 47:34 (laughs)

Bill Murray 47:35 So there he was and I'm like, "Mom, that's not the Lone Ranger." You know, whatever the hell it was. But it was funny to see Clayton Moore without a mask on. It was just like-

Narrator 47:44 Imagine a contract saying you can't do personal appearances. (laughs)

Bill Murray 47:45 Well, no. It was like he was... The Lone Ranger was copyrighted, you know, nine ways-

Narrator 47:49 Right.

Bill Murray 47:49 ... from Sundays, you know, so he could go and be ride on an elephant. I think I may have seen him riding on an elephant in a parade once, but also without the mask on.

Narrator 47:58 (laughs)

Bill Murray 48:01 But we... I should talk about movies-

Narrator 48:02 Yeah.

Bill Murray 48:02 ... because I'm supposed to be talking about movies-

Narrator 48:03 Yes.

Bill Murray 48:04 ... since we, we started talking about movies. Um...

Narrator 48:08 Tell me about your movie.

Bill Murray 48:09 My, um... I mov-... I got two movies. I have three movies. I'll work backwards from the one which is least... which is farthest away. I did one with Wes Anderson called The Phoenician something. That's the title. It's-

Narrator 48:22 (laughs)

Bill Murray 48:22 ... you know, I'm sorry Wes.

Narrator 48:24 (laughs)

Bill Murray 48:24 Uh, The Phoeni-... you know what it is?

Narrator 48:26 The Phoenician Scheme.

Bill Murray 48:27 The Phoenician Scheme. And, um, I'm a... I have a lot of tr- trouble with names nowadays. But the guy who did the set design, can you figure that out? This guy is the most famous. He's the best there is now. These are the most beautiful sets I've ever seen in any movie. Um, come on, it's coming.

Narrator 48:46 (laughs)

Bill Murray 48:46 I'm sorry everybody, but I just haven't been getting enough sleep.

Narrator 48:50 No worries.

Bill Murray 48:51 Anyway-

Narrator 48:52 The power is in the hand. (laughs)

Bill Murray 48:52 ... that's a great movie, that, we shot that in Berlin and there's great people in it. It's got, uh, uh, I wanna say Toshiro Mifune, but it's not. It's the guy who played Che. Come on. (laughs)

Narrator 49:05 Don't-

Bill Murray 49:05 Come on, help me out here.

Narrator 49:07 ... try to get me. (laughs)

Bill Murray 49:07 All right. You f- you look it up, Jim. You get back to us with this just... Anyway, that movie's coming in a bit.

Narrator 49:11 Benicio del Toro is in that.

Bill Murray 49:12 Who? Benito?

Narrator 49:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Murray 49:14 Yeah. Benito's really good. He's really good and he's really cool. And Michael Cera, right? Is he the third?

Narrator 49:22 Did you say Benicio?

49:23 Yeah.

49:24 Benicio del, del Toro.

Bill Murray 49:25 Benicio del Toro. Yeah. I said Benito. You said Beni- uh, you said tomato.

Narrator 49:28 He's great in-

Bill Murray 49:29 Yeah.

Narrator 49:29 ... Fear and Loathing as well. He was awesome in that.

Bill Murray 49:31 He's great. He's-

Narrator 49:32 Yeah.

Bill Murray 49:33 ... I really like him.

Narrator 49:33 He's great in everything.

Bill Murray 49:33 He's... Uh, we, we get on good. Um, and then the daughter, whose name is es- es- of, of Kate Winslet, who is really, uh, wonderful. So the three of them are extraordinary in the movie together. And her name is like Cupid or Eve or something that's crazy and she-

Narrator 49:51 What's it about?

Bill Murray 49:53 I have no idea.

Narrator 49:54 Mia.

Bill Murray 49:54 Huh? What's her name?

Narrator 49:55 (laughs)

Bill Murray 49:55 Mia. Thank you. See, I told you.

Narrator 49:57 (laughs)

Bill Murray 49:57 Cupid and something.

Narrator 49:59 (laughs)

Bill Murray 50:00 Mia. Uh, I have no idea what it's about. You're, you're gonna have to pay the money. There she is right there.

Narrator 50:04 A dark-

Bill Murray 50:04 Tale of espionage followed a strange- Really? There it is.

Narrator 50:07 ... father-daughter relationship with a family business. All right.

Bill Murray 50:10 Yeah. Willem's got a good part, but it's really those... Uh, keep going. Keep going.

Narrator 50:14 Benedict Cumberbatch.

Bill Murray 50:15 Yeah, they're all-

Narrator 50:16 Willem Dafoe.

Bill Murray 50:16 ... swell and fine. Michael Cera-

Narrator 50:18 (laughs)

Bill Murray 50:18 Michael Cera is huge in it. He's fantastic.

Narrator 50:20 Oh, he's great. I thought he's great.

Bill Murray 50:20 Yeah, he's a really good guy. Michael Cera, Benicio and, uh, Mia are the really the muscles.

Narrator 50:25 Bryan Cranston.

Bill Murray 50:26 And they're great. Anyway, that's gonna be really good. People are... All his movies are l- like they are. They're all great. And that one's gonna be very good. That one's gonna be funny too. Um, then I'm in a movie called The Friend, um, which stars, uh, uh, what's her name? Naomi Watts and a dog. There's a huge dog. Are you a dog guy?

Narrator 50:49 A dog. I love dogs.

Bill Murray 50:50 Okay. So there's a massive, really big dog. I mean, it's as, it's pretty much as big... There it is. There's Naomi.

Narrator 50:59 Great Dane.

Bill Murray 50:59 And there's the dog. The dog is, is that, is that big. See how big it is?

Narrator 51:04 It's fucking huge.

Bill Murray 51:05 Yeah. It- that's the words for it. It's-

Narrator 51:06 Yeah, that's a Great Dane. Isn't it?

Bill Murray 51:08 Uh, and it's an extre- it's an amazing dog, and the script is great. It's written by the, the... It's from a book written by a woman named Sigrid Nunez. And can you pop up on the titles there, maybe? Uh, what, what, oh, no, the other thing. Yeah, these guys directed it. These guys. Scott McGehee and David Siegel. And they wrote the script from this book. And it's a great script

Narrator 51:32 Nobody can hear you-

Bill Murray 51:33 and they directed it.

Narrator 51:33 ... over there, unfortunately.

Bill Murray 51:34 Huh?

Narrator 51:34 Nobody can hear you over there.

Bill Murray 51:36 Oh, yeah. Okay.

Narrator 51:36 You're gonna have to come back. (laughs)

Bill Murray 51:37 Scott, yeah. Scott McGehee and David Siegel wrote the script and directed it, and they're great. I love those guys. They've made a few good movies, and this one's really good. And then Sigrid Nunez is a kind of a big deal author. People know who she is that read lots of books.

Narrator 51:53 And what is The Friend? What is it about?

Bill Murray 51:55 The Friend. Well, yeah, there, there you go.

Narrator 51:57 (laughs)

Bill Murray 51:57 It's... So that's the question. Well, that's sort of the puzzle, a little bit of the puzzle of it. So who is the friend? Is the friend the friend or is the friend the dog? You know, it's a-

Narrator 52:06 Oh.

Bill Murray 52:06 The, the dog is re- represents something, you know, so-

Narrator 52:09 Oh, okay.

Bill Murray 52:09 ... it's a little deeper than a lot of the ones we g- we get to. But it's, it's really good. It's really good. I like it. It's been to film festivals and people, you know, laugh and cry and the whole thing's-

Narrator 52:19 Nice.

Bill Murray 52:19 Yeah.

Narrator 52:20 How do you pick things to do now? Like, you've, you've done so much. You've, you've had this insane career. You-

Bill Murray 52:26 I'm gonna tell you that. But let me finish the last one because-

Narrator 52:28 Okay, go ahead.

Bill Murray 52:28 ... today is... Now, is your show live?

Narrator 52:30 No. No, it comes out tomorrow.

Bill Murray 52:33 It's dead tomorrow. Okay. So this, um, so, so that's why I wanna ask, 'cause this movie, the third movie opens today, which is yesterday. And it's called Riff Raff, and this is a movie that you have to see.

Narrator 52:46 I will see it.

Bill Murray 52:46 You have to see this. This is really something. This is a movie you should take 10 of your friends to and go see Riff Raff. It will be... I guarantee you, this one's a party.

Narrator 52:57 Tell me what it is.

Bill Murray 52:58 Um, well, there's a trailer for it up there. See, there's-

Narrator 53:02 Let's play the trailer. Put the-

Bill Murray 53:03 Okay.

Narrator 53:03 Put the headphones on.

Bill Murray 53:04 Then do it.

Narrator 53:04 We'll play the trailer.

Bill Murray 53:06 I wasn't... There you go.

Narrator 53:07 Slap some headphones on.

Bill Murray 53:09 Oh.

Narrator 53:10 No Slim Jims. Past few hours, you've been passing gas like a very sick infant. I gotta breathe all day. I'm sorry, Lefty, I had a lot of coffee, okay? I'm sorry. And then you use my name? Jesus Christ, Lonnie. Yeah. He just said my name. You catch our names by any chance? Yeah. He called you Lefty and you called him Lonnie. (gunshot) Well, I overreacted. Okay. (instrumental music) Son, we gotta talk about Lefty. What did you do? Drop it. You killed his son. You're gonna kill us. (gunshots) What are you doing? I get horny when I'm scared. We're married. Who cares? It's just us and the shitty wildlife, you know? (owl hooting)

54:02 (laughs)

54:02 This is our son. (upbeat music) We're too young to be grandparents. All because your son couldn't pull out in time. You've got houseguests. I would categorize this as a must kill. What are we? Family. Oh my God. Can I get you anything? I'd sell my left tit for an Advil and a cup of coffee. You s- you said what?

54:28 (laughs)

54:32 Who was first? There was this food incident. Rocco put pubes in my wonton soup. If it's okay, I would just really like to torture him a little bit if it's okay. Shouldn't have done that, Rocco. Yeah, knock yourself out. Oh my God. Are we all gonna die? (upbeat music)

54:56 Wait for me before you two start hitting each other. (instrumental music plays)

Bill Murray 55:04 You know, once you start killing, it sort of becomes your de facto solution for every problem.

Narrator 55:08 What? (instrumental music plays)

55:12 Get off of me.

55:13 Why?

55:13 What do you... I'm not gonna.

55:15 Um, come on. Give it to me.

55:15 I'm not gonna, Ruth.

55:17 It's a shame that we're going to put something that hard to waste. (arrow strings) (arrow whizzes by) Huh? (music plays)

55:27 That looks fun.

Bill Murray 55:29 Uh, yeah. Well-

Narrator 55:30 (laughs)

Bill Murray 55:31 Yeah. That's... They gave you too much as far as I'm concerned, but, um-

Narrator 55:35 They always do though, right?

Bill Murray 55:36 I don't know. Sometimes... Not always.

Narrator 55:38 Not always.

Bill Murray 55:39 It's... But it's-

Narrator 55:40 It's common.

Bill Murray 55:41 Well, it's kinda nicer to see it as a surprise, so-

Narrator 55:44 Oh.

Bill Murray 55:44 But it's-

Narrator 55:44 Should we not have seen the trailer?

Bill Murray 55:45 It's okay. I mean, what are you gonna do? But it's... Some people will think, "I h- I must see that." But I guarantee you, this movie is really, really funny.

Narrator 55:53 I love a movie where I don't get to see the trailer.

Bill Murray 55:56 Yeah.

Narrator 55:56 I really do.

Bill Murray 55:56 I, I would say-

Narrator 55:57 Where I have no idea how it goes down.

Bill Murray 55:57 Yeah, you could say... Uh, yeah, you could not show the trailer. That would be okay.

Narrator 56:01 Yeah.

Bill Murray 56:01 They had... There was one... I saw one that was, like, just the first part of that. And then this... They just s- added this, and I was hoping that was what it was, but-

Narrator 56:10 Yeah, it could've been.

Bill Murray 56:10 ... this, this kind of makes it seem like a little bit pustaka- putanesca. You know, just a little bit too much stuff in it, you know, a little bit too much stuff for me.

Narrator 56:21 Take it out.

Bill Murray 56:21 Maybe.

Narrator 56:21 Yeah.

Bill Murray 56:22 Maybe.

Narrator 56:22 Yeah, we can take it out.

Bill Murray 56:22 Let's think about it.

Narrator 56:23 Yeah, we'll take it out.

Bill Murray 56:23 But anyway, it's good in that-

Narrator 56:26 It looks great.

Bill Murray 56:26 ... in Jennifer... Yeah. So, Jennifer Coolidge has got some unbelievable things to say in the movie. She's got some amazing things to say and Ed Harris is really, really good in the movie. Pete Davidson, who I had no idea about. We, we were sidekicks in the movie and we had a very good time. Did some good stuff. There's Lewis Pullman, who's Bill Pullman's son, is really good. I mean... And Emanuela, she kind of Italian, Postecchini, like that. She's just m- m- wonderful and beautiful. And G- Gabby Union. I call her Gabby. Gabrielle Union. And Miles, whose last name I can't remember, 'cause I just wanna call him Miles Davis, but that little kid in there. Uh, he's, he has a vo- he plays the voice of the Electric Junior Bunny Show or something like that on, on Nickelodeon or something like that. He does, like, weird cartoon voices.

Narrator 57:22 Oh, yeah?

Bill Murray 57:23 So, if you watch a lot of Nickelodeon cartoons.

Narrator 57:26 I don't anymore.

Bill Murray 57:27 Ah.

Narrator 57:27 My kids are teenagers now.

Bill Murray 57:28 Oh, really?

Narrator 57:29 I used to. I used to.

Bill Murray 57:32 I used to be a-

Narrator 57:32 I could tell you all about Ni Hao Kai-Lan (laughs) .

Bill Murray 57:34 Oh, see, I don't know that one.

Narrator 57:36 (laughs)

Bill Murray 57:36 I guess I, I guess SpongeBob. My brother plays The, The Flying Dutchman-

Narrator 57:41 Oh, really?

Bill Murray 57:41 ... on, on SpongeBob. Yeah.

Narrator 57:42 Oh, wow.

Bill Murray 57:43 So I watched a lot of that, but that's about it. I don't know. I'm way behind.

Narrator 57:47 How do you decide, uh, what projects to pick?

Bill Murray 57:51 It's really just what, uh... Well, there are certain people, like, um, like with people that I've worked with before, mm, there's some, like, uh, Wes Anderson is one and Jim Jarmusch and Sofia Coppola are others, and those three people call and say, "I got something." I say, I just say, "Okay, when?" You know. That's... 'Cause I know, I t- I know that they're... I know they know-

Narrator 58:16 Right.

Bill Murray 58:16 ... what I can do and they know they, they look out for me and they treat people well and I love them as people and I love them as artists, so-

Narrator 58:24 Yeah.

Bill Murray 58:25 ... that's just a thing. But the other ones are more like, um, or like, uh, uh... You have to read the script, 'cause people, you know, the script is pretty much... If the script's not there, I mean, uh, you know, I can always help improve a script, but if the basic thing isn't there, it's like... I don't know. I was scratching at one the other day and I'm writing and I'm going, "What the hell am I doing this for? This is just terrible." Every (laughs) every-

Narrator 58:52 Mm-hmm.

Bill Murray 58:52 ... page is like... So, but, if it's not good, and usually, um, you know, you know in, like, five pages, you know, whether or not to re- even f- continue reading the script at all. You know?

Narrator 59:04 Yeah.

Bill Murray 59:05 You know? So-

Narrator 59:06 So a lot of it's based on relationships and people you trust and know.

Bill Murray 59:09 Only w- those are very few. There's only very few people that I have those kinds of relationships with, and I've done, like, multiple j- jobs with them and they kill every time. They're good. They're really good. So when they call, it's like, I don't... You don't have to waste my time telling me the story. Just send me the thing, you know?

Narrator 59:26 Right.

Bill Murray 59:27 You don't have to waste any time. I'm in. You can count on me. You know?

Narrator 59:29 That's awesome.

Bill Murray 59:30 So, that's it.

Narrator 59:31 I love that.

Bill Murray 59:31 Yeah. Yeah, I do too. It's, it's-

Narrator 59:33 God, that's such a great feeling when you trust someone that much and you're so enthusiastic about working with them, that like, "Let's go."

Bill Murray 59:38 Yeah, it means, like, great. And, you know, like, people make the living, the making of a movie part of their living, you know. Like, Wes is probably the, the most extreme example in that, like, we all live in s- a quasi dormitory. You know, we take over a small hotel in some small... in some city, and all the actors and, like, the key crew live in the hotel. And you come down for breakfast in the morning and people pad down in their slippers and their jammies and they have coffee and stuff and they look at the newspaper and say, "What are we doing today?" And then they, like, pad back up the stairs and get on their clothes and they go to work. And it's cool. It's really nice. It really is like what you always thought it would be, like in the old days. Like, what if we all lived in a dorm and we were just being funny all day, you know?

Narrator 1:00:25 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:00:25 Like, (laughs) like that.

Narrator 1:00:27 Yeah. What was it like working on Kingpin?

Bill Murray 1:00:30 Well, those guys, um, have more fun making movies than anyone. They really make it fun. Like, Ping- I remember, like, in between shots on Kingpin, we'd be on the side of a road somewhere and it would be like, everybody's gotta pick up a rock and we gotta throw it at that telephone pole, you know. Who's gonna hit the telephone pole with a rock? So we would sit there and, like, I don't know, a dollar, $10, $100, whatever it was, we're throwing and somebody's gotta hit the rock.... you know, and then people like that pull out cash and pay-

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:01:03 ... 'cause it's just like, we just gotta keep this thing going, you know? We're not gonna let the energy of this thing drop.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Just fun.

Bill Murray 1:01:10 Just-

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Keep the fun rolling.

Bill Murray 1:01:11 ... fun, yeah. And just creativity and always being loose, and always being physical. Always being, you know, a c- connected, attached, you know? Not just attached, but connected. And, and entertaining. Entertaining each other, you know? Really making this fun. Goddamn it, we are gonna have fun or else. You know, if you don't have fun making a comedy, you've just made a bad movie that's not funny.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:01:38 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Well, it comes off in the film. The film is so fucking funny. It's-

Bill Murray 1:01:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 ... so good, and it's one of those films-

Bill Murray 1:01:43 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 ... like, if you tried making that today, it would be a, an, (clears throat) an uphill trudge.

Bill Murray 1:01:48 (clears throat) Well, you know, and that's, like, one of those things, um ... They had a moment on Saturday Night Live, an In Memoriam thing. They said, "Oh, so and," I v-, I was there the week of the thing, and they said, "Yeah, so and so's working on the In Memoriam," and I'm thinking, "Well, who's gone?" Which, which reminds me. Um, who's gone, you know? And, uh, no, it's not, it's not who's passed away. It's what we can't do anymore to be funny, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Right.

Bill Murray 1:02:11 And so it was like, all these kinds of jokes. And so it was just a whole clip. I didn't even see it, but I just, I saw a little bit of it being assembled, but it could be 40 minutes long, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Right.

Bill Murray 1:02:22 Just all the sketches that you, people would, you would get, like, you know, internet, you know, responses. Like, "We're l- we're gonna burn down the city in New York," and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 Well, it could be hours long today.

Bill Murray 1:02:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Hours long.

Bill Murray 1:02:33 Yeah, yeah. I, I'm sure it was 45, but it's ... But some of the funniest things ever done, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Yes.

Bill Murray 1:02:39 Like Head Wound Harry.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:02:40 You know? Which was one that, uh, not, not many people think about. But how, you know, like, somebody-

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:02:46 ... would object to a dog eating a brain wound? You know, like licking, like, the blood coming out of someone, a skeletal wound, you know? But someone told me on the way here, a friend of mine, a musician named Mike Zito, who, uh, who said he listens to your show. He said that you knew, um, Phil Hartman.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Yeah, very well.

Bill Murray 1:03:04 And d- what did you do with Phil Hartman?

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 NewsRadio. It was a sitcom we did together.

Bill Murray 1:03:08 Okay, I didn't really watch much of NewsRadio, but-

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 It was, uh-

Bill Murray 1:03:11 ... what were you doing on it?

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 ... '94 to '99. I played the, um, sort of like the maintenance guy in this radio station. And Phil was the, like the lead anchor, and yeah.

Bill Murray 1:03:21 And d- did you resent him because you were doing maintenance and he was the lead anchor? (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 What do you mean?

Bill Murray 1:03:25 So ... No, I'm just joking.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:03:27 Um, so ... And where was ... Was it on CBS or what was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 NBC.

Bill Murray 1:03:30 NBC, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Yeah. In the '90s.

Bill Murray 1:03:32 And so, and he was the news anchor.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Yes.

Bill Murray 1:03:34 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Yes.

Bill Murray 1:03:34 ... he's got that crazy voice, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Oh, he was great.

Bill Murray 1:03:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 He was, uh ... We became really good friends. He was a wonderful guy. Um, we actually played one of his clips the other day. We had to take it outta the show, but it was, uh, a clip from SNL that you could never play today about a doctor who decided that every child was female, and he had to do operations on all of them.

Bill Murray 1:03:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 (laughs) And we're like, "Holy shit. Holy shit."

Bill Murray 1:03:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 And it's like, you know, 90% of his-

Bill Murray 1:04:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 ... his births involved an operation to turn, turn into a girl.

Bill Murray 1:04:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 They were all girls.

Bill Murray 1:04:06 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 It was insane. Uh, but he was great.

Bill Murray 1:04:09 Yeah. He was really good. He was ... I worked with him. I mean, I did Saturday Night Live, I guess, when he was there. But w- he was in the movie we made called Quick Change, and he was like sterling silver. It was like every single take was just like perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:04:27 And it was so much fun. And you just go, "Phil, that was so great." And he'd go like ... He was so kind of modestly proud of like, "Yeah, I, I, I felt pretty good about that too."

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:04:37 It was really nice. He had real, real modesty.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Yes, he did. Well, he was a guy who made it late in his career, you know? Late in his life.

Bill Murray 1:04:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 So he was ... Before, he was an artist. We have one of his albums out there, um, uh, in the, uh, the other room.

Bill Murray 1:04:50 He was a musician?

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 No, an artist artist.

Bill Murray 1:04:52 Oh, I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Well, he was a musician as well. He did music as well.

Bill Murray 1:04:55 I- why did, why did I say musician?

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 But he did album covers.

Bill Murray 1:04:56 Oh, but you said one of his albums. I, I, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Yes.

Bill Murray 1:04:59 I was looking at vinyl today, so that's why-

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Right.

Bill Murray 1:05:01 ... it went into my head. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 It was a cover of a, of an album that he drew.

Bill Murray 1:05:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Yeah. He was an illustrator. He was brilliant, like really, really good.

Bill Murray 1:05:09 Oh. I'd love to see that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 And then he was on Pee-wee's Playhouse. Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:05:13 May he rest in peace, that guy, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 May he rest in peace.

Bill Murray 1:05:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 That guy was fucking great too.

Bill Murray 1:05:16 And, uh, and the lady... I didn't really watch a lot of Pee-wee's Playhouse, but he was a funny guy, that guy. And, um, his s- lady sidekick died this week or something. The other day, like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Who was his lady sidekick?

Bill Murray 1:05:27 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 On Pee-wee's Play-

Narrator 1:05:29 I'll have to look that up.

Bill Murray 1:05:29 I'm not up to date on anything, but-

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Oh, I didn't see that. Hey.

Bill Murray 1:05:33 What the hell?

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Um ...

Narrator 1:05:34 Lynn Murray Stewart.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:05:36 Who?

Narrator 1:05:36 Lynn Murray Stewart was her name.

Bill Murray 1:05:37 Yeah.

Narrator 1:05:38 Uh, Missy Vaughan, I believe.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Mm.

Bill Murray 1:05:41 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Lynn Murray Stewart.

Bill Murray 1:05:43 There she is.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Lynn Murray Stewart.

Bill Murray 1:05:44 Lynn Murray. See, I didn't ... Oh, I guess I'd recognize her if, if her face were a bigger head.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 So I think Phil, because of the fact that he made it late in life, like, he was just so happy to be there.

Bill Murray 1:05:56 He had perspective. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Yeah. He had st- str- ... I mean, I think he was like 37 or something when he got SNL, you know? So it's like, that's the point where a lot of people start thinking, "Hey, this is never gonna happen for me."

Bill Murray 1:06:11 And then he was, you know, he was a hero.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:06:13 I mean, he w- he, he did ... He could do a lot of things. He had a lot of chops. He had a great voice, and he could play straight and, um, you know, play f- doing comedy is the ability to play straight, and he could really do it. He could really do it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:06:33 Well, I, I miss that guy. He was good. He was a good guy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 Uh, yeah, I miss him terribly.

Bill Murray 1:06:39 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 That was, uh, that was a crazy one 'cause I knew his, I knew the whole family. I knew the wife. I knew the, the whole situation. He had tried to divorce her a few times, tried to leave a few times, and always went back, and ... (sighs)

Bill Murray 1:06:52 Yeah, and that's also the guy. He would go back and keep trying-

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:06:55 ... to make things work, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Yeah. I mean, he was a very unusual guy.And what a fucking professional. Like, he would make me feel like I wasn't doing enough. Like, he would have, like, all of his scripts would have tabs for all the scenes that he was in, and then he'd have notes underneath each thing, and everything would be organized. He had a three-ring binder he would put the script in-

Bill Murray 1:07:15 Well, that's going too far.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 ... who would hole-punch-

Bill Murray 1:07:17 Okay. Gee.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 ... the moment he got the script-

Narrator 1:07:18 What?

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... put it in the three-ring binder. Oh, yeah. No, he was-

Bill Murray 1:07:21 See, I didn't have that much faith in the scripts. I knew they were gonna change a lot from Wednesday to Friday.

Narrator 1:07:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:07:26 I, if it was a, if it was a big scene, I knew they would rewrite it, uh, in the next two days. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 Well, there was a lot of that.

Bill Murray 1:07:31 I didn't try, I didn't... 'Cause it's hard to unlearn.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Yes.

Bill Murray 1:07:34 So I would not learn.

Joe Rogan 1:07:36 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:07:36 'Cause if... Unlearning is really hard.

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:07:39 Like, if you have a sketch that's this long and all of a sudden it's this long, you got problems.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Have you ever met Dave Foley?

Bill Murray 1:07:45 I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 Kids in the Hall?

Bill Murray 1:07:46 He was one of the guys from... Yeah, I saw him-

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:07:48 He, he goes out with my brother Joel. He, and he sings... They, they do, like, a improv thing called-

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:07:56 ... Whose Line Is It Anyway?

Narrator 1:07:57 Oh, okay.

Bill Murray 1:07:57 So I never... I only met him recently. I met him recently. The, I finally saw my brother's show that he goes out with, Whose Line Is It Anyway?

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Right. With Greg Proops and all those guys.

Bill Murray 1:08:07 And they-

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:08:07 And they kill.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:08:09 I mean, they're, there's, you know. I knew they were, I knew they were gonna kill, 'cause I know how good my brother is as an improviser. He can... You know, if you, if you get good at it, and my brother is really good at it, far better than I, uh, uh, I ever was or would, could hope to be, um, 'cause he's really kept at it. And so he really goes and goes hard at it. Um, he's really good at it. I knew that it, they would kill. I didn't realize how much fun the show would be from an audience perspective. Like, they drag a lot of people up on the stage and I think, "Well, that can go any old way at all." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:08:41 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:08:42 And they managed to get... I mean, the show I saw, they had people in the audience that probably should have been hired, they were that funny. But the ex-

Narrator 1:08:52 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:08:52 There's something about the, the uncertainty of bringing up someone from the audience that raises the energy level and the expectation and the possibility.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:09:01 And the crowd goes crazy for it. And the, and the actors, the performers go crazy too, 'cause it's like, "Goddamn, they just killed us. They just came up here and murdered us."

Narrator 1:09:10 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:09:11 And, and that's where the f- that's where the real fun is. So they, they're, they, they are enjoying themselves.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 Well, it's a tight show. They've been doing that show for so long. Like, their muscles are, like, very developed, you know, their comedy improvisation muscles. They're just so sharp. When you do a show like that on the road constantly, like, you develop a sort of feel for how to improvise and how things can go and...

Bill Murray 1:09:33 Well, you're fearless, and, uh, you know, you're certainly, uh, anyone that's ever been in that racket knows you, you can't be afraid of dying.

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 Right.

Bill Murray 1:09:41 So if you're not afraid of dying, let's go.

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:09:44 You know, here we go. And anything... And there's a handful of you, so it's, it's like The Magnificent Seven. If I don't kill you, he will.

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Right, right, right, right, right.

Bill Murray 1:09:52 You know? So-

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:09:53 So if I don't kill you, he will.

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:09:55 So, uh, it, it's, it's fun to watch. It was really fun to watch, finally see it live. I'd only seen it on television. To see the live show was cool. It's, I recommend it too. They, they're coming to a town near you-

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:10:06 ... if you're living in-

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 It's a great show.

Bill Murray 1:10:08 ... United States of America.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 It's a great show, you should definitely go see it if they're coming to you. Dave, Dave Foley, who was on Kids in the Hall, was, uh, he was also on NewsRadio.

Bill Murray 1:10:15 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 He played, uh, the manager of the station who was in charge of writing, writing-

Bill Murray 1:10:20 Who else was on that show? I, so I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:10:21 Steven Root, uh, from Office Space and a million other things. Uh, Andy Dick, um, uh, Maura Tierney, Vicki Lewis, Khandi Alexander.

Bill Murray 1:10:32 I didn't know a lot of those people.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 So, that was the show.

Bill Murray 1:10:35 Well, that was... So how... It ran five years?

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 Yeah. Well, around four years, and then Phil got killed. And then-

Bill Murray 1:10:41 Oh, that's what ended it? Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 Jon Lovitz, uh, who was a good friend of his-

Bill Murray 1:10:45 Tried to take it over or something?

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 ... took his place. Well, not take it over necessarily. It was a real ensemble.

Bill Murray 1:10:50 They changed some... I see.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 I mean, Dave was really, like, the main star, Dave Foley was. But it was, um, it just di- you know, for whatever reason, the Jon... I, I, I think the Jon Lovitz ones were really funny, they were really good, but it was just-

Bill Murray 1:11:00 He used different funny.

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 It was just the end of the line. The show was over and it got canceled after the fifth year.

Bill Murray 1:11:06 Yeah, there's something about the fif- it was like that with Saturday Night Live, the fifth year. It's like, wait a second, high school f- is only five years.

Joe Rogan 1:11:11 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:11:12 Why, why should, why should this show be any longer? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 Five years is a long time. It's a long time.

Bill Murray 1:11:16 I know. It's amazing to think-

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:11:18 We, we thought, like, "Five years, this is it. We're done. Goodbye everybody." That was 45 years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:11:24 (laughs)

Narrator 1:11:24 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:11:24 Who the hell thought that would happen?

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 I mean, is the, is it the longest running show ever on television?

Bill Murray 1:11:30 I think The Today Show is the longest running show.

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 Oh, is it really?

Bill Murray 1:11:32 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 Interesting.

Bill Murray 1:11:33 ... if I had to guess.

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 Certainly the longest running show that's actually entertaining. I mean, SNL's been around for so long.

Bill Murray 1:11:38 Don't tell Al Roker that, buddy.

Joe Rogan 1:11:40 (laughs)

Narrator 1:11:42 (laughs)

Bill Murray 1:11:42 Can I take a break for a second? I'm gonna take a leak.

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:11:44 I'll be right back.

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 Yeah. Take a leak. Be right back.

Bill Murray 1:11:45 You're in charge.

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 Okay.

Bill Murray 1:11:46 Set up this table.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 I'll do a little bit. See you in a bit.

Bill Murray 1:11:50 You have a very, you have so much cool stuff on the walls.

Joe Rogan 1:11:53 Lot of art.

Bill Murray 1:11:53 Do you, uh, do shows where you walk around and show all this stuff?

Joe Rogan 1:11:56 No, no.

Bill Murray 1:11:57 Wait, really?

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 No, no, no, no, no. I just... It's personal.

Bill Murray 1:12:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 This is stuff for us-

Bill Murray 1:12:01 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:12:01 ... for us and the guests.

Bill Murray 1:12:02 Well, there is a photograph in the, in the men's room. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:12:06 Which one?

Bill Murray 1:12:06 ... check. Uh, it's Presley.

Joe Rogan 1:12:08 Yeah.

Bill Murray 1:12:09 And it looks like it's a mugshot.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 It's a fake mugshot.

Bill Murray 1:12:11 It's a fake-

Joe Rogan 1:12:12 So what it is, is-

Bill Murray 1:12:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:12 ... he went to the White House and he met with Nixon.

Bill Murray 1:12:14 It's that... Oh, okay. The gun thing where he gives Nixon, he gives