Joe Rogan Experience #2282 - Bill Murray

1. 0:00 – 1:36

   Rogan meets Murray: nerves, first impressions, and the studio’s weird artifacts

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeah.

   3. BMBill Murray0:12

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Thank you for doing this. (clears throat) This is a huge honor for me. I'm a giant fan, forever. Like, since I was a kid. So-

   5. BMBill Murray0:21

      Well, are we going? Are we starting?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah, we're- we're live.

   7. BMBill Murray0:23

      Okay, good.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      So for me, me ... There's certain people I meet where it's like, "Whoa, okay." And you're those. You're one of those.

   9. BMBill Murray0:29

      Well, I have a very different experience. I only know about you what I've heard. I've never, uh, heard your show. I had to ask you, are you Joe? 'Cause-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs) Oh, perfect.

   11. BMBill Murray0:39

       ... I- I- somehow I knew you were, like, into fitness and everyone out there seems to be a weightlifter, in your-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah.

   13. BMBill Murray0:44

       ... in your outer r- Even Danielle seems like she's, she did lower body today.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       (laughs)

   15. BMBill Murray0:48

       But, uh, it's, uh, so it's- it's- it's nice to meet you and people are- are alter- uh, are, you know, they're ... Some people are very, very excited that I've got- gotten- come down here to- to be on your show, so ...

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Well, you're an interesting guy.

   17. BMBill Murray1:01

       Other people are concerned for me, so ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Oh, really?

   19. BMBill Murray1:03

       Yeah. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Are they? Legitimately?

   21. BMBill Murray1:05

       I don't know. I don't if it's the w- I don't know why it's the weightlifter thing, 'cause I have no-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       (laughs)

   23. BMBill Murray1:09

       ... I have no predisposed ... I have no pre- premonitions about it. But when I walk in here and I see, um ... I gotta look at that. What is that green neon?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Oh, that's, uh, the local racetrack. That's the Circuit of the Americas-

   25. BMBill Murray1:23

       Okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       ... where Formula 1 races.

   27. BMBill Murray1:24

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Uh, that's my friend's place, so he gave me that.

   29. BMBill Murray1:27

       Okay. Um, yeah, I walked in and I saw all these Hunter Thompson things. I felt automatically, like, "Okay. Well, this guy can't be a complete disaster."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       (laughs)

2. 1:36 – 8:42

   The dog-hair hat and the day Hunter S. Thompson nearly drowned Bill Murray

   1. BMBill Murray1:36

      And then I walked down the hall and there's Hunter wearing a hat that I gave him.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:41

      Oh, that hat with- with the gun?

   3. BMBill Murray1:43

      Yeah. The one where he's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:44

      Wow.

   5. BMBill Murray1:44

      ... in a cockpit, it looks like.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      Yeah. You gave him that?

   7. BMBill Murray1:46

      That's a dog hair hat.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:48

      Oh, wow.

   9. BMBill Murray1:48

      That's dog hair.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       It's made out of dog hair?

   11. BMBill Murray1:50

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Whoa.

   13. BMBill Murray1:51

       And he got such a kick out of it, because when it rains on you or snows on you, like it would in- in Woody Creek, you come in the house and you smell like a wet dog.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       (laughs)

   15. BMBill Murray2:01

       And he loved, like, doing that to people. And people would be like, "What in the hell?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       (laughs)

   17. BMBill Murray2:06

       He'd be like, "Oh, my- my dog." You know? That's the dog right there.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       Yeah.

   19. BMBill Murray2:11

       Oh, so this is ... Are you filming this too? This is for-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Yeah.

   21. BMBill Murray2:14

       ... whatever you do?

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Yeah.

   23. BMBill Murray2:15

       Yeah, so. Uh, yeah, there he is. There's that dog ha- It's got a head like big, like, tie things. You can tie it under your chin if it

   24. NANarrator2:23

       What year was this?

   25. BMBill Murray2:25

       exactly ) This is, um, I would ... Oh, wow, look at that one. Oof.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Lawyers, guns, and money?

   27. BMBill Murray2:34

       Jesus. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       (laughs)

   29. BMBill Murray2:35

       Those are la- Those are later ones. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       Yeah.
3. 8:42 – 9:31

   Fame avoidance, tech minimalism, and Murray’s AOL email

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      rogan. That's drinkag1.com/jrogen. Check it out. Well, that must be fun for you though. Like, it's, I enjoy when people don't know who I am. Like, it's very rare for you.

   2. BMBill Murray8:54

      Yeah, it's, it's preferable. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:55

      Yeah.

   4. BMBill Murray8:55

      It's not... But you, you have figured out this way of navigating life where, like, you're not a cellphone guy. You probably don't even have email, do you? No, I have them... I have these things now, but, uh, if you have children, you have to have, uh, you have to get a cellphone.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:10

      Right.

   6. BMBill Murray9:10

      'Cause they will not answer a telephone, but they will answer a text. So that's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:14

      Right.

   8. BMBill Murray9:15

      ... I had to break down.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:16

      Yeah. But you've managed to stay blissfully detached in some sort of way.

   10. BMBill Murray9:22

       Yeah, my email is-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       Very nice.

   12. BMBill Murray9:23

       ... aol.com.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Is it really? (laughs)

   14. BMBill Murray9:25

       Yeah. So (laughs) that's, uh, that's, that was my, uh, concession to it, but...

4. 9:31 – 11:42

   Comedy with Hunter: ‘Nixon’s back’ and the origin of ‘tanned, rested, and ready’

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      One of my favorite things you did with Hunter was when, um, it was a feeling of some sort of a documentary or something, or is in a documentary, the footage is. And you're going around trying to convince people that Nixon got a bad rep.

   2. BMBill Murray9:42

      Yeah, yeah. That was good.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:43

      (laughs)

   4. BMBill Murray9:43

      We were trying to wr- we were trying to write something funny. I was with my friend, Dick Blasucci, on that one. And I can't remember. There were, like, two or three of us that were trying to write this thing. And we rented a, like, a klieg light, uh, you know, like a big Hollywood premiere kind of one of those giant lights that they flash up in the sky. You know, you don't even see them very much anymore, but... And we were just outside the Chateau Marmont where Hunter had a room at that moment and, and we were doing, um, we were excited 'cause Nixon's back, you know? And we were interviewing alleged people on the street, men on the street, saying, "What do you, what do you think about this?" 'Cause it was after Watergate and, and Nixon had basically burrowed down and, and, uh, Hunter had a, like, a powerful hatred of, of Nixon, really didn't like Nixon, of course, but I just remember Dick Blasucci saying, uh, "Well, I'm excited. Uh, he's tanned, he's rested, and he's ready."

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      (laughs)

   6. BMBill Murray10:40

      I still, I still say it all the time. I just, I say it about myself all the time-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:44

      (laughs)

   8. BMBill Murray10:44

      ... 'cause I think it's funny. "How are you, Bill?" "I'm tanned, I'm rested, and I'm ready." But saying it about Richard Nixon I thought was a really brilliant thing to say.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:51

      Well, actually-

   10. BMBill Murray10:51

       Anyway-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       ... it became a common phrase.

   12. BMBill Murray10:53

       (clears throat) Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       Like, people use it all the time to this day probably not even knowing the origin.

   14. BMBill Murray10:56

       That's right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       Yeah.

   16. BMBill Murray10:58

       And it's Dick Blasucci who did it. And, uh, and we, we, we weren't there for, like, 45 minutes before, like, "I work in the industry and I know you have to have a permit to have that light on." I mean, there were people, they came at us. We were, we were a growing concern for about one hour tops.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       (laughs)

   18. BMBill Murray11:15

       And that was with, like, professional, argumentative people, like Hunter, myself, going, "That is a fabulous, uh, watch you're wearing. Where'd you get that?" You know-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       (laughs)

   20. BMBill Murray11:25

       ... just, just anything to keep this thing going and to keep their, the cameras rolling on our super stuff. But, and demands, but, uh, yeah, that's, that was one of the things. I had a lot of fun with the guy. Really, he, he really was a lot of fun. He really could make a lot of fun.

5. 11:42 – 16:48

   Hunter’s political writing and the ‘high-water mark’ passage (with audio excerpt)

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:42

      I really wish I met him. He's one of those people that, gah, just really wish I met him.

   2. BMBill Murray11:46

      Well, you can still read it, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:48

      Oh, yeah.

   4. BMBill Murray11:48

      There's still so much more stuff that I didn't, hadn't even read then. It just keeps appearing. There are things that are-

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:54

      Yeah.

   6. BMBill Murray11:54

      ... so beautiful that he wrote that, that are good and, uh, you know, people text me things and say, you know, about what, what's going on, how sort of pressured he was about things lo- a long time ago.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:08

      Yeah, dead on about so many things. I mean, you could take a lot of his commentary on politics from 1976 and apply it easily to today.You know, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail is one of the best books ever on the American political system, just like what it's like when people-

   8. BMBill Murray12:23

      I agree.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:23

      ... run for office.

   10. BMBill Murray12:24

       Yeah. It's a... To me, it's a better book than Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which is, is really fun, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:30

       Yeah.

   12. BMBill Murray12:30

       ... the Campaign Trail book is so insightful about America and, and about Americans, you know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       Yeah.

   14. BMBill Murray12:36

       It's great reading.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       No, the movie was fun. Fear and Loathing was fun. It was just a... It was a great introduction to a lot of people, maybe, that weren't aware of Hunter. Like, maybe then you'll start reading his, his stuff. But it's... It wasn't all, you know, chaos and acid and seeing lizard people in the, in the bar. It was... There, there was... Like, even... There's moments in Fear and Loathing, the movie, where, you know, he... There's this one thing where Johnny Depp is, uh, at the typewriter. Or is that in the movie or is that in, um, the documentary?

   16. NANarrator13:06

       I don't know exactly.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       Where he's at the typewriter, he's talking about how the 1960s, there was this great wave of change and then-

   18. BMBill Murray13:15

       Yeah. Yeah, the high-water mark-

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Yeah.

   20. BMBill Murray13:16

       ... you can see it on the mountains.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       Yeah. So he was there when the water broke.

   22. BMBill Murray13:17

       It's a beautiful, beautiful piece of writing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Oh, my God.

   24. BMBill Murray13:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       It's amazing.

   26. BMBill Murray13:21

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       It's... And when Johnny Depp is saying... The way he's saying it-

   28. BMBill Murray13:24

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       ... it's like, it's so beautiful and melodic.

   30. BMBill Murray13:27

       Yeah. Why, why don't you... Jimmy, why don't see if you can find it?
6. 16:48 – 23:29

   Playing Hunter on screen: responsibility, immersion, and writing scenes together

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:48

      You played him.

   2. BMBill Murray16:49

      I did play him. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:49

      Yeah. I do-... We were talking about it before. I loved it.

   4. BMBill Murray16:52

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:52

      Were you at the Buffalo Room?

   6. BMBill Murray16:53

      Yeah. We were at Buffalo Room.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:54

      Was that weird to play your friend?

   8. BMBill Murray16:57

      It was a lot of responsibility.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:00

      Yeah.

   10. BMBill Murray17:00

       I mean, it was, um... A- any actor that has to play either a living person, especially a living person, or a, a, a famous person has a real responsibility to, to that person. You know, you can't just be that person for 90 minutes. You have to realize that person was that person for 60-some-odd years or 70 or however many years the person was. You've got to try to get all that into your hour and a half or two hours. You've got to try to take in as much as you can so you're not lying, you know? You're at le- at least you're giving the best you can to say, "This is who I think he was. This is who I think that person was, she was, he was."

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       D- did you run any of it by him? Did you try (clears throat) to talk to him as him?

   12. BMBill Murray17:50

       Well, he was living in the guest house.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:55

       So you were around him all the time?

   14. BMBill Murray17:56

       Yeah. So I would go to work, and, um, I would come home, and then we would stay up. And, uh, sort of just an hour or so before, maybe an hour and a half before, two hours before dawn, he'd have a, uh, a NyQuil and Scotch.... (laughs) in the- in the hot tub and then go to sleep. And then I had to get about 90 minutes, and then (knocking) the teamster was knocking on the window, saying, "Bill." (knocking) "Billy." You know, then I'd have to go to work. So that's what it was like while we- we were shooting the movie.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       Wow.

   16. BMBill Murray18:37

       Yeah. And he appears in the movie briefly. He appears in the movie briefly. (clears throat) I can't remember all of it, but he appears in the movie briefly. And we did... together we wrote a scene where I was always constantly changing. Uh, John, John Kay wrote the script, but I was always playing with it and i- 'cause I was always being informed more, you know. And I... that's what I did anyway, I just pretty much, you know... I felt the freedom to change anything. But we did write a scene, Hunter and I wrote a scene late... that was late in the movie. (clears throat) Pardon me. They gave me these beautiful massive, um, things.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       Cough drops?

   18. BMBill Murray19:17

       Here. You want one?

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       No, thank you.

   20. BMBill Murray19:22

       Um, yeah, so he was in on a lot of it and- and the- and the- and- and the editing of it, you know, we- we can secretly say that too. And- and the- and the, um... you know, it was a lot of, um... there was a lot... he was really involved.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Very nice.

   22. BMBill Murray19:42

       So...

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       Good shot.

   24. BMBill Murray19:45

       Um...

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:46

       So you're saying he wrote a scene, you guys wrote a scene together?

   26. BMBill Murray19:48

       Yeah, we wrote a scene together, yeah. Which was, um, encountering Nixon in a- in a urinal. 'Cause he did have a moment with Nixon where-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:56

       Yes.

   28. BMBill Murray19:57

       ... he probably won't remember that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       In the limo.

   30. BMBill Murray19:58

       Remember. Yeah.
7. 23:29 – 31:43

   Politics fatigue, tribalism, and why culture (music) once unified people

   1. BMBill Murray23:29

      Well, it's very much like, this is happening... this has been happening in- in my life anyway, and- and- and I'm sure it's happening in everyone's life th- for the last, gotta be 10 years, where you meet people, we have something in common, we've got to... uh, we've got to... something we gotta get done, you know. But if we talk politics, we're leaving the rails, you know.

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:50

      Right.

   3. BMBill Murray23:51

      All hell's gonna, you know... we're- we're not gonna get along... we're not gonna get anything done, we're never gonna be friends, and- and, you know, it could get... be worse than that. We could be... we could, you know, be adversaries or even enemies or...

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:03

      Right.

   5. BMBill Murray24:04

      You know? So that... I mean, it's... you- you mentioned it, it's like I go places where, and y- I'm sure you do too, where you just can't talk... you just don't wanna talk politics with people, 'cause there are people that are... you know, whose politics can be the exact opposite of yours, completely s- n- t- 12 to 6, and yet they're people that have lived lives...... that are so extraordinary and so enormous in terms of what they give to the world and the planet. And you think, "Well, how..." (laughs) You know, "Why would I, like, ever wanna get..." How do- it's- it's a mystery, you know? It's kind of a mystery. But it's- if you don't, like, k- k- value that first instead of your kinda political-

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:51

      Right.

   7. BMBill Murray24:51

      ... you know, handkerchief, you know, you're- you're making a m- more of a mess, you know? And that's kinda what's... (sighs) You know, that's f- uh, that's how I feel a lot about what's going on in anywhere.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:03

      Yeah.

   9. BMBill Murray25:03

      Everywhere, you know? That people are leading with their- their handkerchief and not their- not with their, uh, whole self, you know, what they understand about what living is.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       I agree 100%. I think that we're just too tribally divided, and people look at it, like, it's us versus them. They en- enjoy the comfort of being a part of a tribe. They lock onto whatever ideologies the tribe support, and then anybody who opposes that is somehow now the enemy.

   11. BMBill Murray25:31

       (clears throat)

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       And it's just a- it's a division tactic that's been used by th- the people that actually run the government, the actual world itself. The real people of this world, especially the people of this country, have- mostly share the same common core needs. You wanna be healthy, you wanna have a good family-

   13. BMBill Murray25:49

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       ... you wanna be able to make a living, you wanna live in a safe place, you want your kids to be able to go to a good school. You want everybody to prosper and have a good time.

   15. BMBill Murray25:57

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:57

       That's most of what life is. All this other shit that people get so goddamn caught up in, most of it has very little to do with you, and you get locked into it like it's 100% of your identity, and the next thing you know, anybody who opposes you is Hitler. And it- it just gets... It-

   17. BMBill Murray26:16

       That's true.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       It gets so toxic.

   19. BMBill Murray26:18

       His name gets bandied about (laughs) a lot lately, doesn't it?

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       Yeah, it's a good one.

   21. BMBill Murray26:21

       You know what? But you sort of started it be- by saying- by bringing up that quotation of Hunters, which is so ... And- and I think about that all the time. I- I- I- I can not a- but I think about it regularly, like, "What was that, that force, that that movement had?"

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:38

       Yeah.

   23. BMBill Murray26:38

       That antiwar movement, whatever that was. You know, it wasn't perfect, you know? It wasn't perfect. I think the thing that ... If- if- if I had to regret anything or anyone regrets anything about it, was the sort of hostility that was shown towards the actual servicemen.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:55

       Right.

   25. BMBill Murray26:56

       Most of whom were drafted-

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:57

       Right.

   27. BMBill Murray26:57

       ... you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       Right.

   29. BMBill Murray26:58

       To fight, you know? So the- those service people had an experience that I will never have. I was in a military movie. That's as good as it ever got for me. But there's- the thing about being in war together with people is everybody hates war. S- h- and who could hate it more than someone that was there?

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       Right.
8. 31:43 – 38:49

   Car design rant: from ’60s muscle cars to modern sameness (and the Taurus story)

   1. BMBill Murray31:43

      It's like when... I, I never tied it all to the, the, the, that sweeping thing, but, but w- when you revisit that, you realize how much, uh, h- harm that did, that, that kind of, um, lawmaking. But let's all agree that the cars don't look as good as they used to.

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:00

      They look like dog shit.

   3. BMBill Murray32:01

      Okay, let's, let's, who, who's the, who are those people that say that they're really good problem solvers, I see them every once in a while, and they go like, "How does he do it?" I say, "Well, first I say, what can we agree on?" Okay, so we can agree that cars don't look so good no more, you know? That-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:16

      Well, they look good now.

   5. BMBill Murray32:16

      It used to be that every single year, every single car looked different-

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:21

      Yes.

   7. BMBill Murray32:21

      ... than it looked the year before.

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:23

      Yes.

   9. BMBill Murray32:23

      And that's mind boggling nowadays to think about that. And even now with the... Cars are made of, I don't know, plastic. What are they made of?

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Yeah, they're made of shit.

   11. BMBill Murray32:31

       They're made of nothing. They're not made of steel. They did it with steel back then.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       Right.

   13. BMBill Murray32:35

       And now they're made with, I don't know, some sort of carbon something or other. And y- you would think they would be able to, like... I don't know what a 3D printer is, I have to confess.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       (laughs)

   15. BMBill Murray32:45

       (laughs) I have no idea what a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       We actually talked about it yesterday.

   17. BMBill Murray32:48

       I have no idea what a 3D-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:49

       The biggest one's four feet long.

   19. BMBill Murray32:51

       Uh, the biggest one is four feet long?

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:52

       Yeah, that's what Elon was saying. They're not that big.

   21. BMBill Murray32:54

       So can you make-

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:55

       You can't make giant things.

   23. BMBill Murray32:57

       ... can you make a table out of this? You can't make anything bigger than four feet?

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       Not really. I don't think so.

   25. BMBill Murray32:59

       But I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:00

       I mean, maybe there's some, like, sup-

   27. BMBill Murray33:01

       ... car parts now are... I mean, if you have a car-

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       Yeah.

   29. BMBill Murray33:04

       If you have a fender bender, there's like seven parts that you have to replace now.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:07

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.
9. 38:49 – 48:01

   Steve McQueen admiration and the lost art of quiet filmmaking

   1. BMBill Murray38:49

      I was watching it the o- you know, did you, they found the original Bullet car, did you know that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan38:52

      Yes. Yeah, it sold for like three million bucks.

   3. BMBill Murray38:53

      I was reading about that this week, 'cause I saw it was on TV last week.

   4. JRJoe Rogan38:56

      Yeah.

   5. BMBill Murray38:56

      And I've watched it a lot of times, that movie, 'cause, and you know, I think Steve McQueen's pretty, pretty damn good. But y- when you watch the movie, it's, it's obviously the roaring through San Francisco and all that sort of stuff s- it's famous for. And then there's the ending where there's... (clears throat) The start of the story ends with kind of a flaming crash, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan39:16

      Mm-hmm.

   7. BMBill Murray39:16

      It's kinda not really kind of an ending, in a way. But, but watching it this particular time, it was all the moments in between all that that really make the movie.

   8. JRJoe Rogan39:28

      (clicks tongue) Yes.

   9. BMBill Murray39:28

      All the quiet in between where he's in the grocery store.

   10. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       Yes.

   11. BMBill Murray39:32

       He's with the girl, he's at the mailbox.

   12. JRJoe Rogan39:33

       Yeah.

   13. BMBill Murray39:33

       He's seeing these people and these people. And he has this very quiet inner self that's dealing with people very respectfully. And it, and his, his, his blood pressure only moves, th- the needle only starts to move when he gets with the bad guy, Chalmers, who's obviously a, you know, a fraud of some sort. And he's got him like, you see him like, not just as a- an actor keeping his cool, but as like a cop keeping his cool with like a, a person he knows is trying to use him. And that, those, those, just watching that part of the performance and that part of the story was much more interesting. The first time is I saw all that as its own weave through it, you know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan40:12

       Yes.

   15. BMBill Murray40:12

       That the, the car stuff had very little to do with what I was getting from-

   16. JRJoe Rogan40:16

       Yes.

   17. BMBill Murray40:17

       ... from the, from the people. The car stuff was nothing. And his boss was a great actor. Simon Oakland, I think is his name is. He was great as his boss who said, "Eh, I'm gonna hold this till Monday morning." You know, that kind of guy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       (laughs)

   19. BMBill Murray40:30

       And, um, (clears throat) there were some great acting in that. It's a really beautiful American movie like that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:37

       I'm so glad you brought that up because it- it's- it's one of the things that I love about that movie and Le Mans, uh, another great Steve McQueen movie, is that he had these m- moments. And you could do that in a movie back then, where no one was talking for minutes and minutes at a time.

   21. BMBill Murray40:53

       There's a lot of quiet in Bullet.

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:55

       There's no music.

   23. BMBill Murray40:55

       A lot of quiet.

   24. JRJoe Rogan40:56

       Yes.

   25. BMBill Murray40:56

       Amazing, yeah. True.

   26. JRJoe Rogan40:57

       It's just you're taking in this story, but it's very compelling. And sometimes there's not even any music, right? Like in Le Mans.

   27. BMBill Murray41:05

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       The whole f- first part of it, there's no talking at all for quite a while. It's just like you're getting the sounds and the feeling of being this race car driver, and he's driving his 911 down this country road.

   29. BMBill Murray41:19

       Vroom.

   30. JRJoe Rogan41:19

       Yeah.
10. 48:01 – 57:47

    Murray’s current projects: Wes Anderson, ‘The Friend,’ and ‘Riff Raff’ trailer moment

    1. BMBill Murray48:01

       But we... I should talk about movies-

    2. NANarrator48:02

       Yeah.

    3. BMBill Murray48:02

       ... because I'm supposed to be talking about movies-

    4. NANarrator48:03

       Yes.

    5. BMBill Murray48:04

       ... since we, we started talking about movies. Um...

    6. NANarrator48:08

       Tell me about your movie.

    7. BMBill Murray48:09

       My, um... I mov-... I got two movies. I have three movies. I'll work backwards from the one which is least... which is farthest away. I did one with Wes Anderson called The Phoenician something. That's the title. It's-

    8. NANarrator48:22

       (laughs)

    9. BMBill Murray48:22

       ... you know, I'm sorry Wes.

    10. NANarrator48:24

        (laughs)

    11. BMBill Murray48:24

        Uh, The Phoeni-... you know what it is?

    12. NANarrator48:26

        The Phoenician Scheme.

    13. BMBill Murray48:27

        The Phoenician Scheme. And, um, I'm a... I have a lot of tr- trouble with names nowadays. But the guy who did the set design, can you figure that out? This guy is the most famous. He's the best there is now. These are the most beautiful sets I've ever seen in any movie. Um, come on, it's coming.

    14. NANarrator48:46

        (laughs)

    15. BMBill Murray48:46

        I'm sorry everybody, but I just haven't been getting enough sleep.

    16. NANarrator48:50

        No worries.

    17. BMBill Murray48:51

        Anyway-

    18. NANarrator48:52

        The power is in the hand. (laughs)

    19. BMBill Murray48:52

        ... that's a great movie, that, we shot that in Berlin and there's great people in it. It's got, uh, uh, I wanna say Toshiro Mifune, but it's not. It's the guy who played Che. Come on. (laughs)

    20. NANarrator49:05

        Don't-

    21. BMBill Murray49:05

        Come on, help me out here.

    22. NANarrator49:07

        ... try to get me. (laughs)

    23. BMBill Murray49:07

        All right. You f- you look it up, Jim. You get back to us with this just... Anyway, that movie's coming in a bit.

    24. NANarrator49:11

        Benicio del Toro is in that.

    25. BMBill Murray49:12

        Who? Benito?

    26. NANarrator49:13

        Yeah. Yeah.

    27. BMBill Murray49:14

        Yeah. Benito's really good. He's really good and he's really cool. And Michael Cera, right? Is he the third?

    28. NANarrator49:22

        Did you say Benicio?

    29. NANarrator49:23

        Yeah.

    30. NANarrator49:24

        Benicio del, del Toro.
11. 57:47 – 1:00:27

    How Bill Murray chooses roles: trusted auteurs, script instinct, and the ‘dorm’ model of filming

    1. NANarrator57:47

       How do you decide, uh, what projects to pick?

    2. BMBill Murray57:51

       It's really just what, uh... Well, there are certain people, like, um, like with people that I've worked with before, mm, there's some, like, uh, Wes Anderson is one and Jim Jarmusch and Sofia Coppola are others, and those three people call and say, "I got something." I say, I just say, "Okay, when?" You know. That's... 'Cause I know, I t- I know that they're... I know they know-

    3. NANarrator58:16

       Right.

    4. BMBill Murray58:16

       ... what I can do and they know they, they look out for me and they treat people well and I love them as people and I love them as artists, so-

    5. NANarrator58:24

       Yeah.

    6. BMBill Murray58:25

       ... that's just a thing. But the other ones are more like, um, or like, uh, uh... You have to read the script, 'cause people, you know, the script is pretty much... If the script's not there, I mean, uh, you know, I can always help improve a script, but if the basic thing isn't there, it's like... I don't know. I was scratching at one the other day and I'm writing and I'm going, "What the hell am I doing this for? This is just terrible." Every (laughs) every-

    7. NANarrator58:52

       Mm-hmm.

    8. BMBill Murray58:52

       ... page is like... So, but, if it's not good, and usually, um, you know, you know in, like, five pages, you know, whether or not to re- even f- continue reading the script at all. You know?

    9. NANarrator59:04

       Yeah.

    10. BMBill Murray59:05

        You know? So-

    11. NANarrator59:06

        So a lot of it's based on relationships and people you trust and know.

    12. BMBill Murray59:09

        Only w- those are very few. There's only very few people that I have those kinds of relationships with, and I've done, like, multiple j- jobs with them and they kill every time. They're good. They're really good. So when they call, it's like, I don't... You don't have to waste my time telling me the story. Just send me the thing, you know?

    13. NANarrator59:26

        Right.

    14. BMBill Murray59:27

        You don't have to waste any time. I'm in. You can count on me. You know?

    15. NANarrator59:29

        That's awesome.

    16. BMBill Murray59:30

        So, that's it.

    17. NANarrator59:31

        I love that.

    18. BMBill Murray59:31

        Yeah. Yeah, I do too. It's, it's-

    19. NANarrator59:33

        God, that's such a great feeling when you trust someone that much and you're so enthusiastic about working with them, that like, "Let's go."

    20. BMBill Murray59:38

        Yeah, it means, like, great. And, you know, like, people make the living, the making of a movie part of their living, you know. Like, Wes is probably the, the most extreme example in that, like, we all live in s- a quasi dormitory. You know, we take over a small hotel in some small... in some city, and all the actors and, like, the key crew live in the hotel. And you come down for breakfast in the morning and people pad down in their slippers and their jammies and they have coffee and stuff and they look at the newspaper and say, "What are we doing today?" And then they, like, pad back up the stairs and get on their clothes and they go to work. And it's cool. It's really nice. It really is like what you always thought it would be, like in the old days. Like, what if we all lived in a dorm and we were just being funny all day, you know?

    21. NANarrator1:00:25

        (laughs)

    22. BMBill Murray1:00:25

        Like, (laughs) like that.

12. 1:00:27 – 1:11:42

    ‘Kingpin’ and comedy that would be impossible today + remembering Phil Hartman

    1. NANarrator1:00:27

       Yeah. What was it like working on Kingpin?

    2. BMBill Murray1:00:30

       Well, those guys, um, have more fun making movies than anyone. They really make it fun. Like, Ping- I remember, like, in between shots on Kingpin, we'd be on the side of a road somewhere and it would be like, everybody's gotta pick up a rock and we gotta throw it at that telephone pole, you know. Who's gonna hit the telephone pole with a rock? So we would sit there and, like, I don't know, a dollar, $10, $100, whatever it was, we're throwing and somebody's gotta hit the rock.... you know, and then people like that pull out cash and pay-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       (laughs)

    4. BMBill Murray1:01:03

       ... 'cause it's just like, we just gotta keep this thing going, you know? We're not gonna let the energy of this thing drop.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Just fun.

    6. BMBill Murray1:01:10

       Just-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Keep the fun rolling.

    8. BMBill Murray1:01:11

       ... fun, yeah. And just creativity and always being loose, and always being physical. Always being, you know, a c- connected, attached, you know? Not just attached, but connected. And, and entertaining. Entertaining each other, you know? Really making this fun. Goddamn it, we are gonna have fun or else. You know, if you don't have fun making a comedy, you've just made a bad movie that's not funny.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       Yeah.

    10. BMBill Murray1:01:38

        You know?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        Well, it comes off in the film. The film is so fucking funny. It's-

    12. BMBill Murray1:01:42

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

        ... so good, and it's one of those films-

    14. BMBill Murray1:01:43

        (clears throat)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

        ... like, if you tried making that today, it would be a, an, (clears throat) an uphill trudge.

    16. BMBill Murray1:01:48

        (clears throat) Well, you know, and that's, like, one of those things, um ... They had a moment on Saturday Night Live, an In Memoriam thing. They said, "Oh, so and," I v-, I was there the week of the thing, and they said, "Yeah, so and so's working on the In Memoriam," and I'm thinking, "Well, who's gone?" Which, which reminds me. Um, who's gone, you know? And, uh, no, it's not, it's not who's passed away. It's what we can't do anymore to be funny, you know?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

        Right.

    18. BMBill Murray1:02:11

        And so it was like, all these kinds of jokes. And so it was just a whole clip. I didn't even see it, but I just, I saw a little bit of it being assembled, but it could be 40 minutes long, you know?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

        Right.

    20. BMBill Murray1:02:22

        Just all the sketches that you, people would, you would get, like, you know, internet, you know, responses. Like, "We're l- we're gonna burn down the city in New York," and-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

        Well, it could be hours long today.

    22. BMBill Murray1:02:32

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

        Hours long.

    24. BMBill Murray1:02:33

        Yeah, yeah. I, I'm sure it was 45, but it's ... But some of the funniest things ever done, you know?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

        Yes.

    26. BMBill Murray1:02:39

        Like Head Wound Harry.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

        Yeah. Yeah.

    28. BMBill Murray1:02:40

        You know? Which was one that, uh, not, not many people think about. But how, you know, like, somebody-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

        Yeah.

    30. BMBill Murray1:02:46

        ... would object to a dog eating a brain wound? You know, like licking, like, the blood coming out of someone, a skeletal wound, you know? But someone told me on the way here, a friend of mine, a musician named Mike Zito, who, uh, who said he listens to your show. He said that you knew, um, Phil Hartman.
13. 1:11:42 – 1:15:48

    Bathroom break and wall art tangent: Elvis, Nixon, and ‘Frost/Nixon’ appreciation

    1. BMBill Murray1:11:42

       Can I take a break for a second? I'm gonna take a leak.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:11:44

       Yeah.

    3. BMBill Murray1:11:44

       I'll be right back.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:11:44

       Yeah. Take a leak. Be right back.

    5. BMBill Murray1:11:45

       You're in charge.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:11:46

       Okay.

    7. BMBill Murray1:11:46

       Set up this table.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:11:47

       I'll do a little bit. See you in a bit.

    9. BMBill Murray1:11:50

       You have a very, you have so much cool stuff on the walls.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:11:53

        Lot of art.

    11. BMBill Murray1:11:53

        Do you, uh, do shows where you walk around and show all this stuff?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:11:56

        No, no.

    13. BMBill Murray1:11:57

        Wait, really?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:11:57

        No, no, no, no, no. I just... It's personal.

    15. BMBill Murray1:12:00

        Okay.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:12:00

        This is stuff for us-

    17. BMBill Murray1:12:01

        Well-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:12:01

        ... for us and the guests.

    19. BMBill Murray1:12:02

        Well, there is a photograph in the, in the men's room. I didn't-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:12:06

        Which one?

    21. BMBill Murray1:12:06

        ... check. Uh, it's Presley.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:12:08

        Yeah.

    23. BMBill Murray1:12:09

        And it looks like it's a mugshot.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:12:10

        It's a fake mugshot.

    25. BMBill Murray1:12:11

        It's a fake-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:12:12

        So what it is, is-

    27. BMBill Murray1:12:12

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:12:12

        ... he went to the White House and he met with Nixon.

    29. BMBill Murray1:12:14

        It's that... Oh, okay. The gun thing where he gives Nixon, he gives him a revolver.

Episode duration: 2:20:48