EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- NANarrator
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- BCBilly Corgan
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) All right, we're ... What's happening, man? Good to see you.
- BCBilly Corgan
Thank you for having me back.
- JRJoe Rogan
My pleasure. Um, how many times a day do you get bombarded by the whole Bill Burr thing?
- BCBilly Corgan
When it gets into the family-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
... and people I haven't talked to for 20 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh, then do you have to break character and tell the truth?
- BCBilly Corgan
No. You know, the thing is, i- i- this is what's crazy, okay? Uh, you want the whole setup story?
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure, sure, sure.
- BCBilly Corgan
I could be quick about it. Uh, so, uh, where I tape my podcast is in one of Howie Mandel's buildings, and he has another building in this area. So, uh, I was working on something, and, and I was supposed to go on Howie's show that day. And they said, "Howie will meet you out in the street or something, for whatever reason." So I go out in the street, and the first thing Howie says to me when he sees me, he goes, "Here comes Bill Burr." And I go, "You too?" Like, "Do you know this story?" And he said, "No, I don't know about it." And I said, "You know what? Heck with it, I'm just gonna s- tell it on your show, so don't ask me any more." And I went on the show, and I told the story about my, how 10 years ago, my stepmother came to me and said, "Do you know who Bill Burr is?" I'd never heard of Bill, didn't know who he was, 'cause I don't really consume much, you know, popular culture. I had no idea he was a famous comedian. He could've been the lawnmower guy. Looked up Bill, first thing I saw was like, oh my God, he looks just like Daddy. When I was 18 years old, at an IHOP my, on my 18th birthday, my father told me, "You have a half-brother that I sired at the same time as you whose name is Bill." So suddenly, these facts come together of my mother telling me these stories. I talked to my dad subsequently about it, and he was very cagey about it. And when I said, "Why won't you tell me where this person is or who this person is?" He said, um, "I'm trying to protect you." So when my stepmother had told me, it kinda made sense, like, well, if, if my half-brother is this super famous comedian, my dad, in a way, wouldn't want me to know, because he wouldn't want me to feel like I was number two-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
... because Bill's so famous. I know it sounds crazy, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
You think that's why he was trying to protect you?
- BCBilly Corgan
Well, I don't know. So, so fast forward to Howie saying something on the street. So I was like, "You know what? I'm just gonna say something." And I swear to God, hand on my heart, last time I was with you in California, I almost pulled you aside after we were on, and I was gonna tell you the story, 'cause I knew you knew Bill, and I was gonna back channel, see if there was anything to the story from Bill's side.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow!
- BCBilly Corgan
So imagine seven, I think six or seven years since we talked on your show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I don't even know-
- BCBilly Corgan
2018, 2018 somebody said to me today, but... So anyway, started talking already, but the point is, is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BCBilly Corgan
... so here I am, fast forward, I'm just sick of seeing memes of my face with Bills and uh, so I just decide on the spur of the moment, you know? So Howie of course loves it, but I said on, on Howie's show that first time, "I don't think Bill's my half-brother. I don't think, I don't think there's anything there other than a, like an uncanny resemblance." Fast forward, the thing comes out, it gets a little bit of social media, and then it goes away. And I think, "Good." And Bill didn't say anything, so I figured Bill was kind of like, whatever, it was a mild amusement. You know, he could've made a joke out of the whole thing, and he didn't. So then Howie calls me, and I'm in LA working recently, and Howie's like, "Will you come on the show? Bill's gonna be on." And I said, "Is Bill cool with it?" "Oh, yeah. No problem." So then I go there, and it's like, it turns into this thing that you see happening on camera. It's like, it's weirdness times... it's like a, like a sk- like a skit, but it's real. And, and Bill's on me, then Bill's on Howie, and it gets just go... Okay, so I just told you basically everything I know, okay? I have people I've known for 20, 30 years coming up to me, going, "What do you think?" And I say, "I don't, I don't, I don't think we're related. I mean, yeah, there's a resemblance, but I don't think we're related." "Well, did you get a DNA test?" And I'm like, "No, I don't... There's nothing to get a DNA test for." "Well, I think he's your brother." So people that know me, and I'm telling them I don't think he's my brother, now they want a DNA test to prove it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
That's how much it- it's taken on a life of its own.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think it's just because they want a DNA test 'cause it's fun if he's your brother?
- BCBilly Corgan
No, no, they're convinced-
- JRJoe Rogan
For real, for real?
- BCBilly Corgan
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BCBilly Corgan
For real, I swear to God. I mean, pe- people I'm close to, people that were at my wedding, I'm like, they're like, "No, you need a DNA test."
- 15:00 – 30:00
Right, right, right. …
- BCBilly Corgan
like a household name like he is now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right, right.
- BCBilly Corgan
And so it's... So there w- there was this one night where I was out... I did a benefit for Roger Waters and, uh, and military vets. It was amazing, in New York. It was all these guys who were like single, double and triple amputees playing Pink Floyd music. And so I did this concert with them, with, um, Roger. So afterwards, somebody came and said, "Oh, Chappelle's in this hotel," you know? And I hadn't seen him for a few years and I said, "Oh, I, I know him." And, and you could see people think like, "You don't know him."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
You know what I mean? So when he came by, I was like, "Oh," you know? It was like that moment, like, "See, motherfuckers? I do know him."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
So, what a great guy though. Such a, what a-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a genuine person, yeah.
- BCBilly Corgan
What a... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's another sweetheart. Just a sweet, sweet guy. Easy to hang out with, very fun.
- BCBilly Corgan
Oh, yeah. I mean, the guy, like guys with that kind of mind is just, it's just, it blows my mind 'cause they just... I mean, you could, I, I just, I don't know. I could sit and listen to for hours.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's also, he's kind of a legend for what he did. You know, he left-
- BCBilly Corgan
Oh, walked away?
- JRJoe Rogan
... left Comedy Central in the height of Chappelle's Show, passed up on a $50 million deal, went to Africa, hung out there, and then came back and didn't do standup for 10 years. Didn't do standup.
- BCBilly Corgan
I didn't know that... I didn't know that he didn't do standup for 10 years part.
- JRJoe Rogan
He would do standup occasionally for free.
- BCBilly Corgan
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
So what he would do is he'd bring like a speaker to the park and like set up a mic in the park in Seattle and just start doing standup and everybody would be like, "Holy shit, is Dave Chappelle-"
- BCBilly Corgan
Was he making any money or was he just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Nope. Nope. Just living off of his Chappelle's Show money.
- BCBilly Corgan
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
He had a, a ton of money.
- BCBilly Corgan
I didn't know that part.
- JRJoe Rogan
He made millions of dollars from the show, passed up on 50 but probably made-
- BCBilly Corgan
I remember that.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, you know, but it's-
- BCBilly Corgan
Remember it became a big conspiracy thing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It became a conspiracy why he left.
- 30:00 – 45:00
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- JRJoe Rogan
- BCBilly Corgan
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- JRJoe Rogan
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- BCBilly Corgan
I only have one Michael Buffer story, if you wanna hear it. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- BCBilly Corgan
So I went to see, uh, uh, Holyfield-Lennox Lewis at Madison Square Garden.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- BCBilly Corgan
And I was hanging out with all the, all the cool people at the time. So I'm in the fourth row, and it was infamously a draw. It was almost all English tourists that had come in for the fight. They were booing the national anthem. I mean, it was a pretty riotous-
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- BCBilly Corgan
... at- atmosphere. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't know anything about fights, but it was a pretty boring fight, and it, I, I, it ... Lewis seemed to be a little bit more agile 'cause of youth and all that. Anyway, so right when I, uh, you know, they're, they're in ... Whatever they're doing, HBO, if they're over there in the corner, they're doing their bit. You know what I mean? They're talking before they go to the scorecards. And a guy leans forward, the, the ref, to tell someone in the second row, might have been Don King, and I hear 'em go, "It's a draw." Right? So I, I knew it was a draw like 60 seconds before they announced it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- BCBilly Corgan
And I was with a lot of well-known people, and I said, "Run." And they're like, "What do you mean?" I said, "We gotta run." Like, and I started grabbing people and we ran out of Madison Square Garden. And we're almost totally out the building, you know, kind of where you get to the concourse part? And you hear the decision and it's like brr, and people start, like here comes the riot vibe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- BCBilly Corgan
So somehow we ended up, because it got so-
- JRJoe Rogan
Was it because the decision was bad?
- BCBilly Corgan
Well, the English people didn't like that it was a draw.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BCBilly Corgan
'Cause Holyfield was on the older side and ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBilly Corgan
I don't know, it's not a well-renowned fight, it just-
- JRJoe Rogan
I g- I can't remember it.
- BCBilly Corgan
It was just a draw. It was a stone-cold boring fight, but because it was a draw and all these English people were mad and Don King was involved, so it was like all that typical brouhaha that was going on in boxing at the time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BCBilly Corgan
Anyway, so because of the, suddenly the riotous or po- potentially riotous s- situation, the police started like making people go different ways, like funneling traffic or something. And it was almost like they got like code red or something, 'cause it like suddenly got really weird. So then we couldn't get out of the building. So somebody was like, somebody recognized somebody in our party said, "F- c- follow me." And so then next thing we know, you know, we get, we end up like in the VIP backstage part where it's safe.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- BCBilly Corgan
And, and there's, and there's, you know, uh, Michael Buffer on a chair. And he wasn't talking to me, but he's talking to somebody, and I heard him just go, "That's bullshit."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
Like in that voice, that's all I remember. "That's bullshit."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's f- ... So was he talking about the decision?
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Wow. …
- BCBilly Corgan
it and I didn't?"
- NANarrator
Wow.
- BCBilly Corgan
"He must've got lucky. He must've done something."
- NANarrator
Wow.
- BCBilly Corgan
"'Cause if it didn't work for me, how could it work for him?" So that was a weird, a weird thing. But he was talented. I mean, he really was talented.
- NANarrator
That's great. Did he... Did you get a l- did you feel resentment? Did you get along with him after that? Or was it weird?
- BCBilly Corgan
It was a, uh... My father had a lot of issues with drugs, so it was always kind of like it can be with addicts. It was like-
- NANarrator
Mm.
- BCBilly Corgan
... depending on the day.
- NANarrator
Mm.
- BCBilly Corgan
One day, he would tell me I was the greatest thing that ever happened to him, and I was the number one son and da da da, and two weeks later, he's telling me he wished I'd never been born and I should've been aborted.
- NANarrator
Ah.
- BCBilly Corgan
So it was a weird... It was weird. It was a weird thing. So that's why, that's why that story's funny to me, because he didn't mind that I told you about finding a sawed-off shotgun. He minded that I implied it was dangerous when he made sure that it wasn't loaded, so it was okay. (laughs)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- BCBilly Corgan
That's the way his brain worked.
- NANarrator
Do you believe him that it wasn't loaded?
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah, yeah.
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah. He was, um... He should've been an arch criminal or something, but he didn't have the nerve.
- NANarrator
So he just became a guitarist.
- BCBilly Corgan
No, he was, he was a drug dealer and, uh, he, he, he used to run drug- drugs and guns for the mob. I mean-
- NANarrator
Really?
- BCBilly Corgan
Oh, he, he would do stuff like... Uh, Melrose Park is kind of an infamous city just outside the S- Chicago city limits, where a lot of the mob wiseguys lived. And he was friends with the kid of a wiseguy, and the kid would dabble because he was protected because his father was a made man. So we go over to that guy's house for hours and just hear these crazy stories about the mob, and my dad would pick up something in a satchel and deliver it, you know? Like, it was all... I- that's still- that's the- I was eight years old going through all this shit.
- NANarrator
Wow.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah.
- NANarrator
What a crazy environment.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah.
- NANarrator
So you're eight years old. He's running drugs and guns.
- BCBilly Corgan
Oh, yeah.
- NANarrator
Wow.
- 1:00:00 – 1:06:27
(laughs) They pull you…
- BCBilly Corgan
admit to secretly being Juggalos. Have you ever had that experience?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) They pull you aside? Okay. That's what I'm telling myself.
- BCBilly Corgan
Uh, a friend of mine, former, former porn star, Sasha Grey, like, sent me a picture of her at, like, 17 in j- in the Juggalo makeup.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow. 17.
- BCBilly Corgan
And you're like, "This is so out there."
- JRJoe Rogan
Juggalo makeup.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do they dress... Do they do, like, Insane Clown Posse?
- BCBilly Corgan
'Cause they do, it's, it's a very specific... They do, they do very specific makeup, the Juggalos.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, for... Are the Juggalos... Do they have different makeup than the Insane Clown Posse, or is it the same kind of makeup?
- BCBilly Corgan
It seems to me there's this, there's this kind of a particular way they do the Juggalo makeup.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie, can you please google "Juggalo makeup"?
- NANarrator
Yeah, I think it's a black and white. I don't know if there's rules, but it's, uh, yeah, clown makeup. Juggalos-
- JRJoe Rogan
What does it look like?
- NANarrator
Like the guy right there.
- BCBilly Corgan
Yes.
- NANarrator
This guy particularly.
- BCBilly Corgan
But that's Violent J on the top there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- NANarrator
Yeah, th- the, he's the actual, he's Violent J.
- BCBilly Corgan
That's Violent J there. But, like, they'll do their makeup kinda like how Jay is, is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. So some of the people in the audience choose to g- to make their face up. I don't see anybody there with face makeup, though, in that picture.
- NANarrator
It's hot. It's the summer. They're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. There you go.
- BCBilly Corgan
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Sweating.
- NANarrator
Gettin' it washed off.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sweating off your makeup.
- BCBilly Corgan
See, see, like, the girl there?
- JRJoe Rogan
... that split tongue, that dude in the middle, that's a fucking commitment. That's a commitment for, to never having a real job up top.
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