Joe Rogan Experience #2284 - Ian Carroll

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Welcome.

   3. ICIan Carroll0:13

      Dude.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Very nice to meet you.

   5. ICIan Carroll0:14

      Yeah, good to be here, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      So, uh, let's take... First of all, why do we love conspiracy so much? 'Cause I fucking love them.

   7. ICIan Carroll0:21

      Dude.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I love them. I love finding out the dirty little tactics-

   9. ICIan Carroll0:25

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       ... and secrets and how the government does things and what the fuck's really going on.

   11. ICIan Carroll0:29

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Why is it so exciting?

   13. ICIan Carroll0:31

       I think it's something, like, deep down in humanity, is, like, we love storytelling.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah.

   15. ICIan Carroll0:35

       And, and these days, conspiracy theories are, like... We, we... I mean, 10 years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were problematic.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Tell me about it.

   17. ICIan Carroll0:44

       Right? Like, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day-

   19. ICIan Carroll0:47

       You're the hard head.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... when you were a fucking nut.

   21. ICIan Carroll0:48

       Dude, you were-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       (laughs)

   23. ICIan Carroll0:48

       ... a conspiracy theorist when I was not even here yet.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       I was arguing with people about the moon landing-

   25. ICIan Carroll0:53

       Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... on the radio before the fucking, before there was any podcasts.

   27. ICIan Carroll0:56

       I mean, I, maybe there's some of the mystery element, ma- but the thing is that so many of them are, it- it's, it's a knowledge, it's a thirst for knowledge because some of them are total bullshit.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yes.

   29. ICIan Carroll1:05

       But some of them are, clearly there's something there.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Clearly.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Ooh, good catch on…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Watch this again. Boom, he gets hit.

   2. ICIan Carroll15:03

      Ooh, good catch on that frame.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      And then back.

   4. ICIan Carroll15:05

      And it's all gone, like his face is just clearly open right there.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Uh, he's gone. Gone. Right.

   6. ICIan Carroll15:09

      And it's clearly not a shot from behind. I mean, like ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      It's definitely not a, it's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no entry wound at the back of his head.

   8. ICIan Carroll15:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      And if you're saying that that thing hit the front of his head or the side of his head from behind like that, mm ...

   10. ICIan Carroll15:23

       I- I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be like the perfect like, dry run training course to like build it around because you have all the pieces. You have like, you have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime and maybe multiple governments. It's like, and we don't know all that. Then you have a complex coverup that evolved over time. You have like researchers, you have, uh, bad information being fed in from outside.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Mm-hmm.

   12. ICIan Carroll15:50

       You have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are un- un- like, corroborable.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Right.

   14. ICIan Carroll15:54

       It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for. It's a lot of fun.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Well, and also, people didn't really get serious about it until about 12 years after the assassination.

   16. ICIan Carroll16:05

       Yep, yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       So when Geraldo Rivera has Dick Gregory on his show... Oh, what is this?

   18. NANarrator16:09

       It's on a re- it's restored in some way.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Ooh.

   20. ICIan Carroll16:11

       Whoa. Have you guys ever heard the theory that frames were taken out of the Zapruder film-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Yeah. Ooh, that one's crazy.

   22. ICIan Carroll16:16

       ... to make it look like the car never slowed down?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       That's crazy.

   24. ICIan Carroll16:20

       That's bizarre. The thing is, I don't know how to trust things like AI reconstructions of videos.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       Let's just trust it, bro. It's fine.

   26. ICIan Carroll16:27

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Boom! Oh my goodness. That is so crazy.

   28. ICIan Carroll16:30

       Dude, poor Jackie, man. So the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh my God, that's so crazy.

   30. ICIan Carroll16:35

       The theory about the driver shooting him? That's the one I've never bought, honestly.
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   3. ICIan Carroll31:03

      Yeah, I mean-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:04

      You can get people to do things.

   5. ICIan Carroll31:05

      ... break Jack Ruby's mind in an instant, like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:07

      In jail, yeah.

   7. ICIan Carroll31:08

      And- and the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for- for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just not have anyone report on it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:18

      Exactly.

   9. ICIan Carroll31:18

      And so no one would ever even know, and I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       Exactly.

   11. ICIan Carroll31:25

       And I actually take the opposite view. I think that we're- the light is being shown, and the world is super dark. There's all kinds of crazy, horrible people, but there's all kinds of crazy good people, everything in between.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Yeah.

   13. ICIan Carroll31:35

       And by- you have to shine the light on it all before you can fix it. Um, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       Yeah, absolutely, and I think that's one of the more fascinating things about the fact that this is a weird time for uncovering federal corruption, right?

   15. ICIan Carroll31:48

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       And I think they're in real trouble because I don't think they can use their phones. I don't think they can do the things that they used to be able to do.

   17. ICIan Carroll31:57

       That's a good point.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       And I don't think they're united.

   19. ICIan Carroll31:59

       I hadn't thought about that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       This is what I- I think-

   21. ICIan Carroll32:00

       They're definitely not united.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       Right, so-

   23. ICIan Carroll32:02

       100%

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       ... there's rats in that ship.

   25. ICIan Carroll32:04

       Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:04

       There's rats in that ship.

   27. ICIan Carroll32:05

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       And wha- and, uh, I think everybody's scared and so everybody's worried that people are wearing camera buttons and-

   29. ICIan Carroll32:10

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:11

       ... and y- so-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, how did he,…

   1. ICIan Carroll45:00

      I assumed that he was, like, implying, like, 16-year-olds, but I don't know. But that's the story, is that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Well, how did he, how did he phrase it?

   3. ICIan Carroll45:06

      I, I don't know. It's not, you can't f-, I mean, I can't find those videos anymore. I've looked. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Really?

   5. ICIan Carroll45:11

      ... yeah, I'm sure they're somewhere, and I'm sure that James O'Keefe could tell the story.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      What happened with him and Project Veritas?

   7. ICIan Carroll45:16

      I don't know. I have no idea.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      That-

   9. ICIan Carroll45:18

      And it's a whole drama fest. And I try to stay, I mean-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       There's probably a lot of NDAs.

   11. ICIan Carroll45:21

       ... s-, I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry 'cause it's like, it'll just waste your time and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       The conspiracy drama.

   13. ICIan Carroll45:28

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       This drama inside the drama industry (laughs) .

   15. ICIan Carroll45:30

       There's drama in every industry, dude.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       There's drama in the drama class (laughs) .

   17. ICIan Carroll45:33

       But yeah, they, like, like, they, he went in and asked for help setting up this ring and they allegedly h- said, "Yeah, here's how you do it. We'll help you, we'll help you, we'll help you." And that's what the case they brought against ACORN was-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Right.

   19. ICIan Carroll45:42

       ... before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died. And then the coroner that did his aut- autopsy mysteriously died. It's like such a, that was such a weird one to stumble upon 'cause I didn't know I was about to stumble upon it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       (groans)

   21. ICIan Carroll45:54

       Um, yeah. And people can look, I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Ugh.

   23. ICIan Carroll45:55

       ... everyone should look up, anything that I say always-

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Yeah.

   25. ICIan Carroll45:58

       ... people should always just look it up and just start typing things in that I'm saying and, and see if what, if you can figure it out and what you think.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Yeah.

   27. ICIan Carroll46:03

       'Cause I am not an expert. I'm just a dude that, like, is looking things up. And I try to be really thorough but, like...

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Wasn't Breitbart, was it Breitbart or Drudge that was the first victim of these coordinated anti-advertising campaigns? I think-

   29. ICIan Carroll46:18

       I'm not sure I know what you mean by that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Is, um, so-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:44

   Right. …

   1. ICIan Carroll1:00:00

      Secret modeling-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Right.

   3. ICIan Carroll1:00:00

      ... and Jeffrey Epstein was claiming that he was a rep, but do you know about the, the CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch that went down for running a sex trafficking ring?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Yeah.

   5. ICIan Carroll1:00:08

      He, so he was Leslie Wexner's guy. When Leslie Wexner, he bought Abercrombie & Fitch in, like, 1990, maybe '91, '89, and then one of the first things he did was he put that dude into s- position as CEO. That was Leslie Wexner's dude and he becomes the CEO and he's gay and he likes really hot young male models and he started running a male sex trafficking ring out of Abercrombie & Fitch. So Leslie Wexner, this dude who is a self-proclaimed possessed by a demon, like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

      What?

   7. ICIan Carroll1:00:38

      Yeah, yeah. Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source, um, like, 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret. It's called his dybbuk, D-Y-B-B-U-K, and you can read about this on Wikipedia as well and he describes in his own words that he's possessed by a dybbuk, which is, like, a Yiddish word for a in- for a evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more. This is in his own words.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

      Is this... Is he being hyperbolic?

   9. ICIan Carroll1:01:07

      A little bit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       Is he joking around? Like-

   11. ICIan Carroll1:01:08

       No.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       ... "Oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants more and more. I just wanna be successful."

   13. ICIan Carroll1:01:14

       No, I mean, I, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I assume, based upon the wording and how it's put, I assume-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Let's, let's find it.

   15. ICIan Carroll1:01:19

       ... it's like, yeah, it's like a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       We'll find it. I want to read that.

   17. ICIan Carroll1:01:21

       It's like a billionaire... I mean, it's in the text, it's directly quoted in the text in One Nation Under Blackmail, actually, which is in that backpack. Um, and-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

       One Nation Under Blackmail?

   19. ICIan Carroll1:01:30

       One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Is that what he's called?

   21. ICIan Carroll1:01:32

       Highly recommend, but it's super dense. It's a hard read. It, I've read it three times now and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched. And it's things like this where she's gone back to the original, like, article where they were interviewing him and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, "What's your secret to success?" And he's like, "I'm, I'm possessed by... I n- I have a drive for more." And he chose the word dybbuk, which is a Yiddish word.

   22. NANarrator1:01:57

       So this is from a-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:58

       (clears throat) Yeah.

   24. NANarrator1:01:58

       ... New York Magazine interview he gave to-

   25. ICIan Carroll1:02:00

       That's exactly the source.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       ... MTV. He says, uh, "And now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's dybbuk, the demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him. When he was a boy, his father called it tummel, a churning, so he feels molten and unformed, pricked by these spiritual pins and needles. He met the de- this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion, when he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to change his life."This demon call, he calls terminal-

   27. ICIan Carroll1:02:36

       Schwukis.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       ... fu-

   29. ICIan Carroll1:02:37

       Schwukis.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       ... -schfilkes.

Episode duration: 2:41:09