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Joe Rogan Experience #2285 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God. Look for his new special "Life" on March 4 on Netflix. http://www.theandrewschulz.com https://www.netflix.com/title/81741999 Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at http://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Visit http://www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website.

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  1. 0:00 – 2:38

    Oprah, psychedelics, and the ‘ayahuasca enlightenment’ flex

    1. JR

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. AS

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics.

    4. AS

      God bless.

    5. JR

      How about that?

    6. AS

      God bless. I mean, she's definitely done it.

    7. JR

      Yeah, you don't do a fucking... Are we rolling yet?

    8. AS

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Are we rolling? Yeah?

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Yeah. Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya.

    12. AS

      Unless you've dabbled.

    13. JR

      Unless you got in there.

    14. AS

      You think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms?

    15. JR

      Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca-

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... you know? Because then you, you can claim spirituality above all other people. (laughs)

    18. AS

      Oh, you think-

    19. JR

      I've done it.

    20. AS

      ... there's like a pretentiousness?

    21. JR

      Oh, 100%. There's a, uh, "I've done it. I've done it. I ex- I've experienced the mother god."

    22. AS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      "The god."

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      "I've experienced Gaia."

    26. AS

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      It's like, I think, I think people do, really do experience that. But also, there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know-

    28. AS

      That they've experienced it.

    29. JR

      ... that they're enlightened.

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  2. 2:38 – 4:35

    Neal Brennan, cynicism as a superpower, and creativity after ayahuasca

    1. AS

      I was talking to Neal about this. Neal Brennan, you know, he, he, he did it.

    2. JR

      He's done a lot of different things.

    3. AS

      He's done a... Yeah, 'cause he was trying.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. AS

      You know, he was really battling with stuff.

    6. JR

      He needs to get off that vegan diet.

    7. AS

      Yeah, maybe that's it. What if it's just chicken is all he needs? Like-

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. AS

      (laughs) What if just has a rib eye? (laughs) He's down in Costa Rica-

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. AS

      ... licking toads and he really-

    12. JR

      For real.

    13. AS

      ... had a hanger steak.

    14. JR

      Dude, I would, if I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'd change his fucking life.

    15. AS

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      If we just, you make an agreement, "Just eat this with me."

    17. AS

      He takes one bite and he's like, "I am worthy."

    18. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    19. AS

      (laughs) But I think, he was talking about it and then like, um, and he was, you know, you know, one of his-

    20. JR

      (sighs)

    21. AS

      ... like superpowers is his like cynicism, right?

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. AS

      And it's really debilitating. And I tell him to this all the time, but like it's also amazing 'cause he's like hyper aware of what the most negative thing could be.

    24. JR

      Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing.

    25. AS

      It's, it's like he's constantly wondering-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AS

      ... like, "What would his biggest hater think?" I actually think it was-

    28. JR

      (sighs) .

    29. AS

      ... it was one of the reasons why Chappelle's Show was so successful because it's like, to create things, you need to be super confident, you need to not worry about who's gonna criticize you.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  3. 4:35 – 6:00

    Jealousy in comedy, ‘bitch-ass thoughts,’ and how martial arts reframed Joe’s mindset

    1. JR

      You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

    2. AS

      (sighs)

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. AS

      What is it? A hurt people hurt people.

    5. JR

      You know? Yeah.

    6. AS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      The guys, the guys who beat themselves up, they're always like super critical of other... But look at him. Look at this-

    8. AS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... fucking bullshit act.

    10. AS

      Did you ever go through a stage like that?

    11. JR

      Not really.

    12. AS

      Never?

    13. JR

      No. No. I g- I figured it out when I was 21, real lucky. I talked about this the other day. There was one time, it was an open mic night and, uh, the guy went on after me. I was hoping that he would bomb.

    14. AS

      (inhales)

    15. JR

      And I remember thinking that like, "What a bitch ass way to think-

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... that is."

    18. AS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Ugh.

    20. AS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Like that's such a bitch ass way to think. And I completely shifted my perspective 'cause like you don't think like that with martial arts. Like you can't think like that, you know? You can't think like that.

    22. AS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      You can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought.

    24. AS

      Yes.

    25. JR

      And then I realized like, "Oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of m- doing something in comedy." And it's so far away. You suck. You're 21 years old and you suck.

    26. AS

      So everybody else gotta suck.

    27. JR

      So you want people to fail and you wanna do better.

    28. AS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      And it's like it just a total scrambly "I don't know what I'm doing with my life" thought.

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  4. 6:00 – 9:55

    Office life as ‘Severance’: identity-splitting, corporate conformity, and DEI whiplash

    1. JR

      Especially if you have a job. So, if you have a regular job job, like an office job-

    2. AS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a fucking day, every day of your life that you're there.

    4. AS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      That is a lot of time bullshitting.

    6. AS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      And when you get out all that bullshitting, there's not much you left.

    8. AS

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Whatever could have been you never grew, because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor.

    10. AS

      You're watching Severance, right?

    11. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    12. AS

      There... I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for... Well, I don't know, there's a lot of things that go into it.

    13. JR

      There's a lot going on with that show.

    14. AS

      And also, shout out, Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this, like, level to him.

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. AS

      I've always respected Ben, I thought he was hilarious, he's making great comedy movies. But I didn't know he was like an avant-garde storyteller, like-

    17. JR

      Right, right.

    18. AS

      I mean, this is-

    19. JR

      It's also the way it's shot is brilliant.

    20. AS

      It is... The first episode, every shot... I don't know who the DP is. Like, we should find out who that guy is, but every shot has, like, perfect symmetry. Did you notice that?

    21. JR

      I did notice it, but it- it's just-

    22. AS

      You could cut the screen in half every single shot.

    23. JR

      Really?

    24. AS

      It is, it is a masterpiece. And, uh, but I- I think about that, like, this idea of, like, severing yourself, a lot of people are doing that at work anyway.

    25. JR

      100%

    26. AS

      And it's what you're describing, they're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. AS

      They aren't their self. There's a different identity. They make up these little terms, like, "Oh, that's my work wife." It's like, yeah- (laughs)

    29. JR

      Well, that's why it's so easy to push, like, crazy woke nonsense into an office space, 'cause people are already bullshitting.

    30. AS

      Oh, so if we're already pretending here-

  5. 9:55 – 13:20

    Corporate ‘rubber stamps,’ Jesse Jackson anecdotes, and the economics of performative virtue

    1. JR

      But there's like, there's a bunch of people that got jobs, and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse.

    2. AS

      Right.

    3. JR

      And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson, back in the day? Jesse Jackson-

    4. AS

      No.

    5. JR

      ... used to-

    6. AS

      I mean, I know Jesse, but I was not familiar with him.

    7. JR

      He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute-

    8. AS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... like say if there was some sort of an issue, like maybe, uh, some Black executive got fired-

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... and maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom-

    12. AS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... something, Jesse Jackson will come in for a nominal fee. For a nominal fee.

    14. AS

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      He will come in and straighten your business out. And so then-

    16. AS

      What does straighten your business out mean?

    17. JR

      Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track, give a little speech, collect a little check. And then what would ha-

    18. AS

      So, basically, say you're not racist.

    19. JR

      Absolutely, you're not r- you can't be racist if you're hiring Jesse Jackson. You're on the right track.

    20. AS

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      So, he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp.

    22. AS

      Legend.

    23. JR

      And then-

    24. AS

      What a legend.

    25. JR

      And he's like balling.

    26. AS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Like balling out of control.

    28. AS

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      Just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is-

    30. AS

      (laughs)

  6. 13:20 – 16:06

    Merit, luck of birth, and why class politics resonates (Bernie, AOC, and ‘Bernie bros’)

    1. JR

      Yeah, but the problem with that is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be no racism. There should be zero racism.

    2. AS

      Yes.

    3. JR

      There should be zero discrimination.

    4. AS

      Yes.

    5. JR

      Everything should be merit-based.

    6. AS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit-based in terms of, like, where you're born. Like, you didn't earn your birth spot.

    8. AS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      You didn't- you didn't earn your family.

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      You get to roll the dice-

    12. AS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... and you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky.

    14. AS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

    16. AS

      I think this is the- the biggest mistake that the Democrat Party has made, is not making it a class issue. Like, the most successful people in the party, like Bernie, and you could like her politics or not, but like AOC, they make it a class issue every single time. I think- I think AOC pulled the same as Trump in her district. Why is that? 'Cause people think that she wants to help.

    17. JR

      Hmm.

    18. AS

      And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time. He's like, "Look at all these billionaires. They got a lot of money. You don't have enough money. Campaign finance is fucked up. We need to stop that, there's too much influence with people with money." And it resonates with people.

    19. JR

      Oh yeah, man.

    20. AS

      We feel like you wanna help. I mean, you, I feel like you were, like, a big Bernie dude.

    21. JR

      Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie. Because they didn't want Bernie to win. And so, they started calling me racist and homophobic, and I was like, "Where is this coming from?"

    22. AS

      Well, when- when Bernie started popping, what did they say? Right? They had to... And I don't know who they is. You can call whoever the fuck they want. But like, there was this idea that they had to, like, thwart his success. And these articles started coming out where it was like, "The Bernie bros."

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. AS

      "Bernie's got a problem. His- his- his fans or his supporters are sexist, they're racist, and there are these bros that are- that are fucked up, and they're radioactive, and they're bad people, and he's got a real problem." So, they're trying to make him radioactive. And I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods, and it was the exact same playbook. It was like, "The manosphere pods."

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. AS

      "They're sexist, they're racist. Look how fucked." And it's like, you're doing the same thing.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. AS

      You're making it about identity politics. I think Americans are kind of simple in that, like, we want abundance but we want access. So, if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms, right? Like, and you need to tap into that feeling right there. So, if I'm a Democrat, I'm just, this is a class issue. But I feel, unfortunately, a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people and their corporations.

    29. JR

      Yeah, this is, it's all a- it's all a hustle. If we had... The entire time, if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States, it'd be a far better place to live in. We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth.

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  7. 16:06 – 21:39

    Power, responsibility, free will, and what it takes to be great

    1. AS

      So, how do you- how do you that? Like, how do you find... Okay, how do you- how do you find somebody who wants power but is also benevolent? 'Cause like-

    2. JR

      You gotta get rare human beings.

    3. AS

      That's the thing, most people who want power-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. AS

      ... don't exactly wanna give back.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. AS

      It's a bottomless pit.

    8. JR

      Bro, have you ever seen people get, like, a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles?

    9. AS

      Like who?

    10. JR

      Well, I can't say. I can't tell a story-

    11. AS

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      ... 'cause it'd be, like, real obvious who I'm talking about. But it's not one of our friends.

    13. AS

      Got it.

    14. JR

      I just don't wanna say it publicly. It's not, you don't even know him.

    15. AS

      Okay.

    16. JR

      But I've seen people with just like, you get a job where you- you're the boss now.

    17. AS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      And you just become a cunt and a half. Like, what happened?

    19. AS

      Do you think it- it exposes who they always were, or do you think it actually changes their- their character?

    20. JR

      It's probably both. It's probably both. They probably had weak character to begin with-

    21. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      ... but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that, you know, caused a lot of anxiety or stress. But then as soon as they do get in a situation causing, like if you're the boss of-

    23. AS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... some workplace somewhere.

    25. AS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them. They just become tyrants.

    27. AS

      Do you think that they resent the dependence?

    28. JR

      I don't know what it is, man. I don't know what it is.

    29. AS

      You have a lot of people that... Depend is, yeah, I would say, depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  8. 21:39 – 25:38

    Trauma, ambition, and Schulz’s decade of sacrifice to become ‘undeniable’

    1. AS

      Do they all come from trauma, you think?

    2. JR

      I think a lot of people that are hyperambitious come from a shitty environment.

    3. AS

      And what is that connection?

    4. JR

      (sighs) I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible, that it's out there-

    5. AS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... and knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps-

    7. AS

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      ... the pain of poverty. And then the fact that, like, when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. You know, that's a scary thought for a child.

    9. AS

      Yeah, that's motivating.

    10. JR

      Yeah, it, it puts a-

    11. AS

      That is motivating.

    12. JR

      ... kind of fire in you, like... You don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood.

    13. AS

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      You know? You get 'em when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      You know? You don't get 'em when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who's there for their baseball games-

    17. AS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... and tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt and like-

    19. AS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      No, no, no. You have, like, a life of pain, and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

    21. AS

      I also... But I feel like it's not s- completely dependent on that. You know, like, I wouldn't say that I had this, like, life of pain. Like, I've, you know, dealt with my shit, you know, but I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious. You know?

    22. JR

      Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right?

    23. AS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      It's... The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit-talking artist.

    25. AS

      Yeah (laughs) .

    26. JR

      Right? Like shit talking-

    27. AS

      I don't distill it to that.

    28. JR

      Shit-

    29. AS

      It is what it is. (laughs)

    30. JR

      It is what it is. It's beautiful.

  9. 25:38 – 34:59

    Simulation theory, consciousness, and ‘rendering’ reality like a video game

    1. JR

      Like, what is, what is, uh... How do you really feel about this world that we live in? This, this world that seems more and more like it's not real? (laughs)

    2. AS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      More and more like it's a fucking simulation.

    4. AS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I'm-

    6. AS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      I'm kind of convinced now.

    8. AS

      What, it is a simulation?

    9. JR

      Yeah, there's something going on. There's something more to reality than what meets the eye. There's more to it than what you can put on a scale or what you can put a ruler to.

    10. AS

      Well-

    11. JR

      There's more to this thing. This thing is made out of, like, some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think.

    12. AS

      What do you mean by this?

    13. JR

      I think that, like, I think it's really possible. First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality.

    14. AS

      Okay. (laughs)

    15. JR

      And, and... N- no doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits-

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room. There... You know, it's crude, but it's, like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago-

    18. AS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... versus, you know, some modern warfare game now.

    20. AS

      Right.

    21. JR

      They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

    22. AS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      So if it, if it does happen, how do you know? How do you know when that takes place? Now, here's the question. Is that the ultimate progression of technology? Is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life? So if that is possible, how do we know-

    24. AS

      What's real.

    25. JR

      ... if it hasn't already happened?

    26. AS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      How can we know if it hasn't already happened?

    28. AS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Well, one thing I would say, that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened. Trump would get shot in the ear and say, "Fight, fight, fight."

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  10. 34:59 – 43:24

    Time, parenting, and why hard things (exercise, discipline) stabilize the mind

    1. AS

      Okay, so do you, do you struggle battling with the... 'cause some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance, and it's very depressing for them.

    2. JR

      Oh, it doesn't matter. Y- like this-

    3. AS

      So you're unaffected entirely-

    4. JR

      No.

    5. AS

      ... that like, your existence in this lifetime, over the grand scheme of things, could not be important.

    6. JR

      It can't be important.

    7. AS

      But it is.

    8. JR

      So, but it is to you and it is to the people around you. So your life is-

    9. AS

      And if that makes up our reality, then it's important.

    10. JR

      Sure. But why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important? I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

    11. AS

      Maybe important is-

    12. JR

      I, I mean-

    13. AS

      Maybe important is like a, a pretentious word.

    14. JR

      Even in-

    15. AS

      Not i- not important. I mean like a...

    16. JR

      Don't think about the end of the game. Play the game. Don't go, "Oh my God, it's gonna end."

    17. AS

      Yes.

    18. JR

      "Oh, my quarter's gonna run out." Just play the game.

    19. AS

      But some people won't play the game if they know it's, there's no game at all, or they know it is completely a game. I think that there's this like a urgency that is applied. Like, okay, I have to, I have to create the art that I wanna create in this time of my life. Like, time is something I've been thinking about like nonstop since I had a kid.

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. AS

      It's like time. How do I spend time? It, it maybe is a cliché, but it, it is the, the thing that I like value the most. And everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. AS

      "Okay, I'm out here. I'm doing some pods. Okay, I'm away from my daughter. I'm away from my wife. How do I get back that time? How can I like create these events?" Like I don't even buy expensive shit. I like to take a vacation with my friends. I want us all to stay in the villa together, 'cause when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. AS

      Like, ah, time, time, time.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AS

      And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this, I guess the game you say you're playing. I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here. And I have all these examples of people like finishing the game. You know, my dad, you know, he's a, he's got dementia and all this stuff. It's like you're seeing...... your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality, you're, you're at the kind of end of your game. You know, knock on wood.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. AS

      But like, yeah. I, I, I, the idea of like me being important, I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it. But in this time I have here, I want to believe it's really important and I want to soak as much of it up as I can. You know?

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  11. 43:24 – 56:02

    Lex at the wedding, Vegas chaos, and a broader take on alcohol’s social utility

    1. AS

      I'll never forget Lex, uh, coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out.

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. AS

      I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that.

    4. JR

      Ah.

    5. AS

      Thank you, Lex. We really appreciate that. (laughs)

    6. JR

      Well, in all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

    7. AS

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You forced him to drink.

    8. JR

      I kind of got him a drink-

    9. AS

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      ... and, uh, didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of his own. (laughs)

    11. AS

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      That Russian-

    13. AS

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      ... mixed with that fucking American bourbon-

    15. AS

      Yo.

    16. JR

      ... that motherfucker was off to the races.

    17. AS

      It's so funny. Whitney was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna take Lex." I was like, "Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I like that guy." And then I remember seeing him on like a beach chair just passed the fuck out.

    18. JR

      Oh, dude, we had an adventure.

    19. AS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      So, we-

    21. AS

      You guys went to Vegas later that night, right?

    22. JR

      We go to Vegas that night 'cause Whitney had, uh, a wedding.

    23. AS

      (laughs) Like a corporate-

    24. JR

      She had a wedding. She had a wedding-

    25. AS

      Oh, I thought she had a gig.

    26. JR

      ... at someone's house. It was a corporate gig.

    27. AS

      Oh, it was a gig. Yeah, yeah.

    28. JR

      But it was a wedding at someone's house.

    29. AS

      Okay, yeah.

    30. JR

      I think it was a wedding or a birthday, whatever it was.

  12. 56:02 – 1:10:40

    Politics after the election: ‘scripted’ messaging, DOGE waste, and rebuilding trust

    1. JR

      ... I saw one CNN after the election, they were talking about us in specific, and they were talking about how there is this network of podcasts that are inco- interconnected-

    2. AS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      ... that has been financed, like this, this huge-

    4. AS

      Okay. Who's paying us? (laughs)

    5. JR

      ... corporate financed network of, like-

    6. AS

      It's called Black Rifle Coffee. (laughs)

    7. JR

      It's like, it's so stupid. No, it's-

    8. AS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    9. JR

      ... it's actually just a bunch of friends, you fucking idiots. Yeah. (laughs) We just happen to do each other's podcasts.

    10. AS

      I mean-

    11. JR

      But they're, like, trying to sort it out.

    12. AS

      Bro, it's so funny when they try to sort out the problem.

    13. JR

      Like, they support each other, they go on each other's shows, and they're all in this together. Well, we need that on the left. Like, good luck.

    14. AS

      Yeah, that's-

    15. JR

      You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small.

    16. AS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. AS

      Six by six.

    19. JR

      Yeah, you fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids.

    20. AS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      You guys are out of your mind. You're not gonna, you're not gonna sync up together. You're, you're in a suicide cult.

    22. AS

      Yeah. I think that was... The results of the election, I don't think that they would like to believe this, but it was a, a rejection of what was happening. I think the-

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. AS

      ... the assumption is everybody just loves Trump, and he's just this populist, and every person that voted for him is like, "I just love everything about this guy." But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, "I don't like what's happening now."

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. AS

      "And this current administration is saying that they don't wanna change much that's happening now."

    27. JR

      Right.

    28. AS

      "So I'm voting against that lack of change."

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. AS

      And I think it's important for them to realize that. Like, I talk about this a lot, especially with Charlotte and the pod, and it's just like, you have to be reflective of, like, what the people are telling you. Like, when that, the Mangione thing happened, and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it, and they were kinda like-

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