Joe Rogan Experience #2285 - Andrew Schulz

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

Andrew Schulz 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oprah's doing an episode on psychedelics.

Andrew Schulz 0:15 God bless.

Joe Rogan 0:16 How about that?

Andrew Schulz 0:17 God bless. I mean, she's definitely done it.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Yeah, you don't do a fucking... Are we rolling yet?

Andrew Schulz 0:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:23 Are we rolling? Yeah?

Andrew Schulz 0:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:26 Yeah. Yeah, you don't do an episode on psychedelics unless you fucking visited the Maya.

Andrew Schulz 0:29 Unless you've dabbled.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Unless you got in there.

Andrew Schulz 0:32 You think it's ayahuasca or mushrooms?

Joe Rogan 0:33 Most of those fancy people like to do the ayahuasca-

Andrew Schulz 0:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 ... you know? Because then you, you can claim spirituality above all other people. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 0:42 Oh, you think-

Joe Rogan 0:42 I've done it.

Andrew Schulz 0:42 ... there's like a pretentiousness?

Joe Rogan 0:43 Oh, 100%. There's a, uh, "I've done it. I've done it. I ex- I've experienced the mother god."

Andrew Schulz 0:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 "The god."

Andrew Schulz 0:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:52 "I've experienced Gaia."

Andrew Schulz 0:55 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 It's like, I think, I think people do, really do experience that. But also, there's a certain type of personality that wants to let you know-

Andrew Schulz 1:05 That they've experienced it.

Joe Rogan 1:05 ... that they're enlightened.

Andrew Schulz 1:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07 They're, they're further down the road than you, Andrew.

Andrew Schulz 1:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11 And like, one way to get like instant street cred in the psychedelics world is say you do ayahuasca.

Andrew Schulz 1:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17 You know, if you do mushrooms, you might just be some asshole at a party.

Andrew Schulz 1:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20 You know, you and your friends are just fucking giggling nonstop on the couch. It could be that.

Andrew Schulz 1:24 Yeah, there's no points in mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Right. You don't get points for that.

Andrew Schulz 1:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27 You can say, you say you took a heroic dose, you get points amongst the learned.

Andrew Schulz 1:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Like, "Oh."

Andrew Schulz 1:33 (laughs) Yeah, but the casuals don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:34 The casuals don't give a fuck.

Andrew Schulz 1:35 You do ayahuasca, you know, we're gonna pay attention a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:37 Yeah, the casuals are gonna go, "Why'd you eat eight grams?"

Andrew Schulz 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 "That seems crazy." But the other people are gonna go, "Whoa, what was that like?"

Andrew Schulz 1:44 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Come on, Oprah's out here.

Andrew Schulz 1:46 Oprah's out here pushing it. I wonder if it's like, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:50 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 1:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51 I mean-

Andrew Schulz 1:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:52 ... I saw on my friend Mark Bell's page, Mark "Smelly" Bell, um, and he, he said, "What fucking year are we living in? Like, what is happening here?"

Andrew Schulz 2:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02 "What's going on?"

Andrew Schulz 2:03 Yeah. I wonder if the ayahuasca thing is, uh, for some, like a, a quick fix, you know, they're looking for like immediate life change.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Oh, yeah, for sure. And also, sometimes your life has been such a colossal series of failures that you want like some symbolic reset.

Andrew Schulz 2:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21 And probably there's a lot of value in li- like, a real, like a s- like set and setting like a ritual.

Andrew Schulz 2:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:29 Like, "I've emerged. I'm a new person."

Andrew Schulz 2:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:31 At least maybe that bullshit will give you some momentum-

Andrew Schulz 2:35 For real.

Joe Rogan 2:35 ... to kind of get on the right track.

Andrew Schulz 2:38 I was talking to Neal about this. Neal Brennan, you know, he, he, he did it.

Joe Rogan 2:42 He's done a lot of different things.

Andrew Schulz 2:43 He's done a... Yeah, 'cause he was trying.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 2:45 You know, he was really battling with stuff.

Joe Rogan 2:46 He needs to get off that vegan diet.

Andrew Schulz 2:47 Yeah, maybe that's it. What if it's just chicken is all he needs? Like-

Joe Rogan 2:50 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 2:50 (laughs) What if just has a rib eye? (laughs) He's down in Costa Rica-

Joe Rogan 2:53 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 2:53 ... licking toads and he really-

Joe Rogan 2:55 For real.

Andrew Schulz 2:56 ... had a hanger steak.

Joe Rogan 2:56 Dude, I would, if I had that dude over my house and cooked him some elk steak, I'd change his fucking life.

Andrew Schulz 3:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:02 If we just, you make an agreement, "Just eat this with me."

Andrew Schulz 3:04 He takes one bite and he's like, "I am worthy."

Joe Rogan 3:07 Yeah. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 3:10 (laughs) But I think, he was talking about it and then like, um, and he was, you know, you know, one of his-

Joe Rogan 3:14 (sighs)

Andrew Schulz 3:14 ... like superpowers is his like cynicism, right?

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 3:17 And it's really debilitating. And I tell him to this all the time, but like it's also amazing 'cause he's like hyper aware of what the most negative thing could be.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Right, so for joke writing, it's amazing.

Andrew Schulz 3:26 It's, it's like he's constantly wondering-

Joe Rogan 3:28 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 3:28 ... like, "What would his biggest hater think?" I actually think it was-

Joe Rogan 3:30 (sighs) .

Andrew Schulz 3:30 ... it was one of the reasons why Chappelle's Show was so successful because it's like, to create things, you need to be super confident, you need to not worry about who's gonna criticize you.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 3:40 So if you can outsource your criticism, so if Dave can like cr- think about these things and be like, "Okay, this is awesome." And then Neal can be like, "Yeah, yeah, but this would be said if we do this." And then together-

Joe Rogan 3:52 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 3:52 ... you have this like perfect combination of like uber confidence and then this insecurity, and then you make these things that are just masterpieces.

Joe Rogan 3:59 And hyper analytical insecurity.

Andrew Schulz 4:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:02 You know, like intelligent, hyper analytical.

Andrew Schulz 4:03 Yeah. Yeah., when you're smart and insecure, it's even worse.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Right.

Andrew Schulz 4:06 Dumb and insecure-

Joe Rogan 4:06 Right.

Andrew Schulz 4:06 ... you can manage. But then he said-

Joe Rogan 4:09 Do-

Andrew Schulz 4:09 ... he did the ayahuasca and he was like, um, "Yeah, it gave me this like, uh," I don't know, "feeling of connectedness or whatever people experience through it."

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 4:17 And he's like, "It was really liberating. I think I did my best work afterwards 'cause I wasn't constantly beating myself up, like I was able to create." So I think there is value in it. But I do think sometimes people are looking for like the, the quick, "Okay, my life is-"

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 4:31 "... changed now and now I, I connect with the world and I'm p- we're perfect."

Joe Rogan 4:35 You can always tell the guys who beat themselves up because they beat other people up too.

Andrew Schulz 4:39 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 4:41 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 4:41 What is it? A hurt people hurt people.

Joe Rogan 4:43 You know? Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 4:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 The guys, the guys who beat themselves up, they're always like super critical of other... But look at him. Look at this-

Andrew Schulz 4:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 ... fucking bullshit act.

Andrew Schulz 4:48 Did you ever go through a stage like that?

Joe Rogan 4:50 Not really.

Andrew Schulz 4:51 Never?

Joe Rogan 4:52 No. No. I g- I figured it out when I was 21, real lucky. I talked about this the other day. There was one time, it was an open mic night and, uh, the guy went on after me. I was hoping that he would bomb.

Andrew Schulz 5:02 (inhales)

Joe Rogan 5:02 And I remember thinking that like, "What a bitch ass way to think-

Andrew Schulz 5:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 ... that is."

Andrew Schulz 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Ugh.

Andrew Schulz 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Like that's such a bitch ass way to think. And I completely shifted my perspective 'cause like you don't think like that with martial arts. Like you can't think like that, you know? You can't think like that.

Andrew Schulz 5:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 You can't think like that ever. That's like a weak ass thought.

Andrew Schulz 5:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:20 And then I realized like, "Oh, this is like your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of m- doing something in comedy." And it's so far away. You suck. You're 21 years old and you suck.

Andrew Schulz 5:38 So everybody else gotta suck.

Joe Rogan 5:39 So you want people to fail and you wanna do better.

Andrew Schulz 5:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 And it's like it just a total scrambly "I don't know what I'm doing with my life" thought.

Andrew Schulz 5:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 And I realized, I was like, "Oh, that's a bitch ass thought."

Andrew Schulz 5:50 ... but that is very normal for human beings.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 5:53 I, I feel like it's-

Joe Rogan 5:54 There's a lot of bitches out there. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 5:55 Yeah, like, we're kind of-

Joe Rogan 5:56 People give in.

Andrew Schulz 5:56 ... bitch-made in general. Like-

Joe Rogan 5:58 Well-

Andrew Schulz 5:58 ... it takes more effort to not be a bitch, actually.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Especially if you have a job. So, if you have a regular job job, like an office job-

Andrew Schulz 6:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:05 ... you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours a fucking day, every day of your life that you're there.

Andrew Schulz 6:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:13 That is a lot of time bullshitting.

Andrew Schulz 6:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 And when you get out all that bullshitting, there's not much you left.

Andrew Schulz 6:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:19 Whatever could have been you never grew, because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights and a fucking monitor.

Andrew Schulz 6:27 You're watching Severance, right?

Joe Rogan 6:28 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 6:29 There... I mean, clearly it's a metaphor for... Well, I don't know, there's a lot of things that go into it.

Joe Rogan 6:33 There's a lot going on with that show.

Andrew Schulz 6:34 And also, shout out, Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this, like, level to him.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Right.

Andrew Schulz 6:39 I've always respected Ben, I thought he was hilarious, he's making great comedy movies. But I didn't know he was like an avant-garde storyteller, like-

Joe Rogan 6:46 Right, right.

Andrew Schulz 6:47 I mean, this is-

Joe Rogan 6:48 It's also the way it's shot is brilliant.

Andrew Schulz 6:50 It is... The first episode, every shot... I don't know who the DP is. Like, we should find out who that guy is, but every shot has, like, perfect symmetry. Did you notice that?

Joe Rogan 6:58 I did notice it, but it- it's just-

Andrew Schulz 6:59 You could cut the screen in half every single shot.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Really?

Andrew Schulz 7:02 It is, it is a masterpiece. And, uh, but I- I think about that, like, this idea of, like, severing yourself, a lot of people are doing that at work anyway.

Joe Rogan 7:11 100%

Andrew Schulz 7:12 And it's what you're describing, they're this other person at work for eight hours a day.

Joe Rogan 7:15 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 7:16 They aren't their self. There's a different identity. They make up these little terms, like, "Oh, that's my work wife." It's like, yeah- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:21 Well, that's why it's so easy to push, like, crazy woke nonsense into an office space, 'cause people are already bullshitting.

Andrew Schulz 7:28 Oh, so if we're already pretending here-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 7:30 ... what else are we gonna pretend about?

Joe Rogan 7:31 What do I, what else do I have to do to keep this job?

Andrew Schulz 7:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:33 What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have to do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids... What is it? Drag queen shows? Okay, I'm in.

Andrew Schulz 7:40 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:41 I'm in.

Andrew Schulz 7:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:42 Healthcare? Yeah, it's on my dick.

Andrew Schulz 7:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Whatever you wanna call it.

Andrew Schulz 7:45 And it's intere-

Joe Rogan 7:46 Gender affirming? Was that what we're calling it? Okay.

Andrew Schulz 7:48 Yeah, and it's interesting, like, to see how little pushback there, there is about, like, from the workers now that all these, like, programs are being wiped away. Like-

Joe Rogan 7:55 Well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard.

Andrew Schulz 7:58 Well, no-

Joe Rogan 7:58 And then the senators are complaining hard.

Andrew Schulz 8:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:00 But everybody else is happy.

Andrew Schulz 8:01 Yet, the people who have been faking it at work, that are still working there, are not like, "Damn it." You know what I mean? Th- they're just going, "All right, g- I get to be, like, a little closer version to myself."

Joe Rogan 8:11 Well, they're probably gonna get fired. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 8:13 At Disney? You're saying at Disney?

Joe Rogan 8:14 I think... What do you mean?

Andrew Schulz 8:16 I'm saying all these programs, like, have come out, maybe not Disney, but it was like Zuckerberg comes out and goes, "Yeah, Meta, we're not gonna do the DEI shit."

Joe Rogan 8:21 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 8:22 Like, I think Amazon even came out and said it.

Joe Rogan 8:24 I thought you mean government jobs were cut by USA. That's what you're talking about.

Andrew Schulz 8:26 No, I'm talking about corporate jobs, people who have the corporate jobs.

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Andrew Schulz 9:52 Could be DEI, it could just be anybody working there in general.

Joe Rogan 9:55 But there's like, there's a bunch of people that got jobs, and their whole job was to make sure that the company was diverse.

Andrew Schulz 10:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:03 And it's like, do you remember the Rainbow Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson, back in the day? Jesse Jackson-

Andrew Schulz 10:09 No.

Joe Rogan 10:09 ... used to-

Andrew Schulz 10:10 I mean, I know Jesse, but I was not familiar with him.

Joe Rogan 10:11 He had this thing where he would go to businesses, like if they had some sort of a dispute-

Andrew Schulz 10:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:16 ... like say if there was some sort of an issue, like maybe, uh, some Black executive got fired-

Andrew Schulz 10:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:21 ... and maybe shouldn't have, or someone put something on the wall in the bathroom-

Andrew Schulz 10:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 ... something, Jesse Jackson will come in for a nominal fee. For a nominal fee.

Andrew Schulz 10:30 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:31 He will come in and straighten your business out. And so then-

Andrew Schulz 10:33 What does straighten your business out mean?

Joe Rogan 10:35 Well, make sure that you guys are on the right track, give a little speech, collect a little check. And then what would ha-

Andrew Schulz 10:40 So, basically, say you're not racist.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Absolutely, you're not r- you can't be racist if you're hiring Jesse Jackson. You're on the right track.

Andrew Schulz 10:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:46 So, he comes along, gives you the rubber stamp.

Andrew Schulz 10:49 Legend.

Joe Rogan 10:49 And then-

Andrew Schulz 10:50 What a legend.

Joe Rogan 10:50 And he's like balling.

Andrew Schulz 10:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Like balling out of control.

Andrew Schulz 10:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:54 Just giving the rubber stamps to these companies. And then on top of that, what they do is-

Andrew Schulz 10:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:58 ... then they would have jobs for people to oversee this activity in a large corporation.

Andrew Schulz 11:04 True.

Joe Rogan 11:05 So, it's basically like no-show jobs the mob used to give out at the Javits Center.

Andrew Schulz 11:08 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 I had a buddy of mine who had one of those.

Andrew Schulz 11:10 Do people know what the Javits Center is here?

Joe Rogan 11:12 It's, (laughs) it's a big convention center in New York City-

Andrew Schulz 11:14 In New York City, this is where, like, Comic-Con would be, and all these-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 11:17 ... different things. Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Big stuff.

Andrew Schulz 11:18 And it was mobbed up, right?

Joe Rogan 11:20 Mobbed up.

Andrew Schulz 11:21 So, they would have all these fake jobs that you could give to the guys around the block.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 11:24 Everybody's getting paid. And it's probably supported by the city in some way, right?

Joe Rogan 11:28 Yeah, I don't wanna say his name because he's, uh, still around.

Andrew Schulz 11:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:31 But, uh, he, he was an actor. And, uh, I was, uh, working with him, and, uh, he was explaining, he's got a no-show jo- he w- I knew he was m-

Andrew Schulz 11:39 Do I know who you're talking about?

Joe Rogan 11:40 Probably not, but I'll tell you afterwards.

Andrew Schulz 11:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Fucking great guy.

Andrew Schulz 11:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 11:43 But afterwards everybody was like, "That guy has, like, so mobbed up."

Andrew Schulz 11:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:48 (laughs) He had a fucking no-show job.

Andrew Schulz 11:50 You know what's funny? About the z-

Joe Rogan 11:50 You get like $200 grand a year, you don't even have to work.

Andrew Schulz 11:54 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 11:55 I mean- I mean, there's a lot of, like, con- construction jobs and stuff, but this is-

Joe Rogan 11:58 Well this is what USA is finding.

Andrew Schulz 12:00 ... kind of how things work. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:00 USA found this place in San Antonio that they spent-

Andrew Schulz 12:03 You thought it was only Ukraine getting money for nothing? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:05 ... billions of dollars on, and it's fucking, no one was there.

Andrew Schulz 12:08 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 12:08 Completely empty.

Andrew Schulz 12:09 Is it... To me, this is not, like, shocking but the- the-

Joe Rogan 12:11 Bro, it's the numbers are shocking.

Andrew Schulz 12:12 No, the numbers can get shocking, but it's funny the Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job, because I remember, like, I had a joke that I could never work out.

Joe Rogan 12:20 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 12:20 But the idea was- was based on, um... It was- it was Black Lives Matter when- when Ukraine started popping, right? So, everybody had the Black Lives Matter posters in their windows in New York. And when Black Lives Matter, kind of, came down...

Joe Rogan 12:38 Well, it's once those ladies got caught buying houses.

Andrew Schulz 12:41 Of course, of course.

Joe Rogan 12:41 That did- that put a dent in it (laughs) .

Andrew Schulz 12:42 It wasn't great. So- so now, there's all these white people in New York that have Black Lives Matter in their window, but they're like, "I gotta get this out of my window." So, I had this idea for a joke where it's like, if I was a Black dude, I would set up a business where we will take down your Black Lives Matter poster for you-

Joe Rogan 12:56 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 12:56 ... and then replace it with, like, a- a Ukraine flag, you know what I mean? (laughs) So, like, you're still a good person.

Joe Rogan 13:01 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 13:01 Jesse was doing it in the fucking 70s. I had no clue the Rainbow Coalition already worked.

Joe Rogan 13:05 Oh, is that... That is what it's called, right? W- was, yeah, it was the Rainbow Coalition. But he had a bunch of other things he would call it under.

Andrew Schulz 13:12 Wow, I had no-

Joe Rogan 13:12 But the whole idea was just to make sure that people weren't doing the wrong thing.

Andrew Schulz 13:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Do the right thing.

Andrew Schulz 13:17 Yeah, you gotta do the right thing.

Joe Rogan 13:18 You gotta do the right thing.

Andrew Schulz 13:19 You always gotta do the right thing.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah, but the problem with that is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be no racism. There should be zero racism.

Andrew Schulz 13:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:25 There should be zero discrimination.

Andrew Schulz 13:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Everything should be merit-based.

Andrew Schulz 13:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:28 But the problem with that is, and this is a real problem, the country's not merit-based in terms of, like, where you're born. Like, you didn't earn your birth spot.

Andrew Schulz 13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:38 You didn't- you didn't earn your family.

Andrew Schulz 13:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:40 You get to roll the dice-

Andrew Schulz 13:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:42 ... and you get real lucky or really fucking unlucky.

Andrew Schulz 13:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:45 And as a community, as a country, we pay zero attention to the completely downtrodden.

Andrew Schulz 13:52 I think this is the- the biggest mistake that the Democrat Party has made, is not making it a class issue. Like, the most successful people in the party, like Bernie, and you could like her politics or not, but like AOC, they make it a class issue every single time. I think- I think AOC pulled the same as Trump in her district. Why is that? 'Cause people think that she wants to help.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Hmm.

Andrew Schulz 14:15 And Bernie has just been taking shots the entire time. He's like, "Look at all these billionaires. They got a lot of money. You don't have enough money. Campaign finance is fucked up. We need to stop that, there's too much influence with people with money." And it resonates with people.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Oh yeah, man.

Andrew Schulz 14:27 We feel like you wanna help. I mean, you, I feel like you were, like, a big Bernie dude.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Dude, that was the first time I really got canceled, was over Bernie. Because they didn't want Bernie to win. And so, they started calling me racist and homophobic, and I was like, "Where is this coming from?"

Andrew Schulz 14:42 Well, when- when Bernie started popping, what did they say? Right? They had to... And I don't know who they is. You can call whoever the fuck they want. But like, there was this idea that they had to, like, thwart his success. And these articles started coming out where it was like, "The Bernie bros."

Joe Rogan 14:56 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 14:56 "Bernie's got a problem. His- his- his fans or his supporters are sexist, they're racist, and there are these bros that are- that are fucked up, and they're radioactive, and they're bad people, and he's got a real problem." So, they're trying to make him radioactive. And I remember seeing the reaction to Trump coming on the pods, and it was the exact same playbook. It was like, "The manosphere pods."

Joe Rogan 15:17 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 15:17 "They're sexist, they're racist. Look how fucked." And it's like, you're doing the same thing.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 15:21 You're making it about identity politics. I think Americans are kind of simple in that, like, we want abundance but we want access. So, if eggs are expensive, I can't care about your bathrooms, right? Like, and you need to tap into that feeling right there. So, if I'm a Democrat, I'm just, this is a class issue. But I feel, unfortunately, a lot of them are in the pockets of these wealthy people and their corporations.

Joe Rogan 15:42 Yeah, this is, it's all a- it's all a hustle. If we had... The entire time, if we had brilliant people working for the betterment of the United States, it'd be a far better place to live in. We've had a bunch of people that are capitalizing off of the fact they get in this position of extreme influence and wealth.

Andrew Schulz 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 And they make insane amounts of money for people with $170,000 a year salary.

Andrew Schulz 16:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:04 And they keep it rolling.

Andrew Schulz 16:06 So, how do you- how do you that? Like, how do you find... Okay, how do you- how do you find somebody who wants power but is also benevolent? 'Cause like-

Joe Rogan 16:14 You gotta get rare human beings.

Andrew Schulz 16:15 That's the thing, most people who want power-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 16:18 ... don't exactly wanna give back.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 16:20 It's a bottomless pit.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Bro, have you ever seen people get, like, a little bit of power and lose their fucking marbles?

Andrew Schulz 16:25 Like who?

Joe Rogan 16:26 Well, I can't say. I can't tell a story-

Andrew Schulz 16:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:28 ... 'cause it'd be, like, real obvious who I'm talking about. But it's not one of our friends.

Andrew Schulz 16:32 Got it.

Joe Rogan 16:32 I just don't wanna say it publicly. It's not, you don't even know him.

Andrew Schulz 16:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 16:36 But I've seen people with just like, you get a job where you- you're the boss now.

Andrew Schulz 16:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 And you just become a cunt and a half. Like, what happened?

Andrew Schulz 16:42 Do you think it- it exposes who they always were, or do you think it actually changes their- their character?

Joe Rogan 16:49 It's probably both. It's probably both. They probably had weak character to begin with-

Andrew Schulz 16:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:54 ... but they could get away with it if they were not in situations that, you know, caused a lot of anxiety or stress. But then as soon as they do get in a situation causing, like if you're the boss of-

Andrew Schulz 17:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:07 ... some workplace somewhere.

Andrew Schulz 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 I've just seen people just completely lose their shit when people rely on them and depend on them. They just become tyrants.

Andrew Schulz 17:17 Do you think that they resent the dependence?

Joe Rogan 17:20 I don't know what it is, man. I don't know what it is.

Andrew Schulz 17:23 You have a lot of people that... Depend is, yeah, I would say, depend is tricky because they have the autonomy to not do that.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 17:31 But there are a lot of people that definitely rely on you and... Yeah, do you feel pressure from that?

Joe Rogan 17:40 Me?

Andrew Schulz 17:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:40 No.

Andrew Schulz 17:41 Really?

Joe Rogan 17:42 No.

Andrew Schulz 17:42 But I feel like you took care... Like, before you opened this, the- the comedy club, you were taking care of these people that you asked to come out here and work for you. So, you must have felt this concern for them.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Yeah, but the-

Andrew Schulz 17:53 Like, didn't you hire them and weren't you paying them even before the club was open?

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, they were all unemployed out of LA, so I said, "Listen, we're gonna open up a club. We're gonna find a spot. But I'll... You can start immediately." So, like, you just get paid-

Andrew Schulz 18:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:05 ... enjoy Austin, kick back, relax, we'll call you in about a year and a half.

Andrew Schulz 18:10 But you felt-

Joe Rogan 18:10 It was probably around- it was around two years.

Andrew Schulz 18:12 But you felt a responsibility?

Joe Rogan 18:13 Yes, but it didn't bu- burden me.

Andrew Schulz 18:15 Got it.

Joe Rogan 18:15 It wasn't like...... this is a heavy responsibility. It's like, "This is smart. We could do this."

Andrew Schulz 18:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 "This is the right thing to do." This way, we already have the best people that, you know, g- got fired from The Comedy Store, 'cause The Comedy g- Store couldn't open-

Andrew Schulz 18:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:28 ... 'cause LA's retarded.

Andrew Schulz 18:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:30 And so we got 'em all to come out here, and it's like, "Look, the right thing to do is to, like, pay them now."

Andrew Schulz 18:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:35 "And we'll figure th- out..." We just had to figure out where the spot was, and then obviously once we got the spots, like, this is gonna be a long... We're gonna have to put some construction in this bitch and do a lot of shit.

Andrew Schulz 18:45 So-

Joe Rogan 18:45 And it's gonna take some months.

Andrew Schulz 18:46 So y- you knew it was gonna take time. You were like, "Okay, l- I'm gonna take care of them in the interim." But again, it's... So you're not burdened by people feeling like they rely on you or anything like that?

Joe Rogan 18:54 No, it doesn't bother me. No. If it burdened me, like if it was something where I was worried I was gonna run out of money, like if I was, like, stretched real thin-

Andrew Schulz 19:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:02 ... I'd be like, "Fuck."

Andrew Schulz 19:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:03 "There's so many people working for me-"

Andrew Schulz 19:05 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:05 "... this is a problem."

Andrew Schulz 19:05 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Like, "I gotta, I gotta, like, figure something out."

Andrew Schulz 19:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:08 But I'm not, so...

Andrew Schulz 19:09 Okay.

Joe Rogan 19:10 It's okay. It's just... It's like, d- decide what you think about in this life. You know?

Andrew Schulz 19:14 What do you mean by that?

Joe Rogan 19:15 Decide what you think about in this life. If you... I- are you gonna do something that's going to change the way you feel about having a bunch of employees-

Andrew Schulz 19:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 ... or having people, or are you not? Are you just gonna freak out about it? Like decide-

Andrew Schulz 19:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:27 ... what you think about things.

Andrew Schulz 19:28 What, what are those two philosophies? Like, uh, determinism and, uh-

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 19:32 ... free will?

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 19:33 Are you a huge free will guy? Do you believe in determinism at all?

Joe Rogan 19:37 Will is real. Okay? I know it's real-

Andrew Schulz 19:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:40 ... 'cause it exists in me.

Andrew Schulz 19:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:41 The idea, though, is that it's fleeting, and it's dependent upon a multitude of factors. Your will is really dependent upon your hormone levels, your genetics, how much sleep you've had, uh, what, what positive or negative experiences have shaped you in your life. There's a lot going on-

Andrew Schulz 19:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 ... that, that, like, forces you into this position where you have to decide whether or not will is real.

Andrew Schulz 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 But will's real.

Andrew Schulz 20:07 I believe it's real.

Joe Rogan 20:09 It's 100% real.

Andrew Schulz 20:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 Like, I know... I, it's not determinism that makes David Goggins run harder than anybody else.

Andrew Schulz 20:18 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:19 It's will.

Andrew Schulz 20:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:20 It's 100% will. His knees are destroyed.

Andrew Schulz 20:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:23 It's only will-

Andrew Schulz 20:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:25 ... that just gets you up off the couch-

Andrew Schulz 20:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... if your knees are destroyed, and you run a tidy 30 miles that day.

Andrew Schulz 20:30 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:31 That's not-

Andrew Schulz 20:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:32 That's not determinism.

Andrew Schulz 20:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:34 That's bullshit.

Andrew Schulz 20:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 If it was determinism, there'd be tons of those guys out there.

Andrew Schulz 20:38 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 There's only a, a small Cameron Hanes, small little fucking handful-

Andrew Schulz 20:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:43 ... of these, like, psychotic people whos- who have incredible will. World champion fighters.

Andrew Schulz 20:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:48 You know, Gordon Ryan in jujitsu. Like, there's a f- there's a... Like, Gordon Ryan works out every fucking day of the week.

Andrew Schulz 20:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 365 days a year.

Andrew Schulz 20:58 It's a huge sacrifice. (exhales)

Joe Rogan 20:59 If you wanna be really great at something-

Andrew Schulz 21:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 ... you kinda have to be out of your fucking mind, but you also have to have an iron will.

Andrew Schulz 21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 You don't wanna work out every day.

Andrew Schulz 21:09 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 There's gonna be days you just wanna eat cake and sleep.

Andrew Schulz 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 But if you wanna get past the guy who eats cake and sleeps-

Andrew Schulz 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 ... you don't eat cake and you don't sleep.

Andrew Schulz 21:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Oh, that's will, dude.

Andrew Schulz 21:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:20 That's will. There's a th- I don't... Your determinism can suck my dick-

Andrew Schulz 21:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:24 ... because it's never... (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 21:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:25 There's no just, like, accidental amazing people.

Andrew Schulz 21:30 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:31 It's like, no, it's like a lot of similar stories, you know? Single mom, you know, started doing this and started doing the... Invented something when he was 18.

Andrew Schulz 21:39 Do they all come from trauma, you think?

Joe Rogan 21:41 I think a lot of people that are hyperambitious come from a shitty environment.

Andrew Schulz 21:44 And what is that connection?

Joe Rogan 21:46 (sighs) I think it's probably wanting something better than you're experiencing and knowing that it's possible, that it's out there-

Andrew Schulz 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:52 ... and knowing the pain of living in the ghetto or the pain of being on food stamps-

Andrew Schulz 21:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:57 ... the pain of poverty. And then the fact that, like, when you're poor and you're young, you wonder whether or not you're going to have food. You know, that's a scary thought for a child.

Andrew Schulz 22:07 Yeah, that's motivating.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah, it, it puts a-

Andrew Schulz 22:09 That is motivating.

Joe Rogan 22:09 ... kind of fire in you, like... You don't get a Mike Tyson if he grows up in Brentwood.

Andrew Schulz 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 You know? You get 'em when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant.

Andrew Schulz 22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 You know? You don't get 'em when they have an awesome dad and an awesome mom who's there for their baseball games-

Andrew Schulz 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 ... and tells them what a great job they did and consoles them when they get hurt and like-

Andrew Schulz 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 No, no, no. You have, like, a life of pain, and then you got some pain to dish out after that.

Andrew Schulz 22:34 I also... But I feel like it's not s- completely dependent on that. You know, like, I wouldn't say that I had this, like, life of pain. Like, I've, you know, dealt with my shit, you know, but I feel incredibly competitive and ambitious. You know?

Joe Rogan 22:45 Well, you're an artist. It's a different thing, right?

Andrew Schulz 22:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:48 It's... The reason why it's a different thing is you're an artist in a very specific genre, which is talking shit. You're a shit-talking artist.

Andrew Schulz 22:55 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 22:55 Right? Like shit talking-

Andrew Schulz 22:57 I don't distill it to that.

Joe Rogan 22:58 Shit-

Andrew Schulz 22:58 It is what it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:59 It is what it is. It's beautiful.

Andrew Schulz 23:00 Yeah, you're a professional shit-talker. That's-

Joe Rogan 23:02 It's my favorite, my favorite art form.

Andrew Schulz 23:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:04 And shit-talking artists, they want to be around a bunch of people and have a good time.

Andrew Schulz 23:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:09 Right? So you don't needs- need to come from trauma to be ambitious and be a, a, a shit-talking artist.

Andrew Schulz 23:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:16 All you have to do is, like, be someone who admires success and who wants to progress-

Andrew Schulz 23:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:23 ... and keep getting better at this thing that they love that has given them so much. Like, you could have-

Andrew Schulz 23:26 Yeah, but you also, you also have to sacrifice and you have to commit to things.

Joe Rogan 23:30 Right.

Andrew Schulz 23:30 You know, I do feel like it takes... Like, I rem- I mean, I didn't... I mean, in the beginning, like, I don't think I celebrated a birthday for, like, a decade. Like, I don't think I ever considered, like, taking a vacation or anything. Like, uh, I was just so hungry to get after it to get good, to be, like, undeniable. That was, like, this goal. I was like, "How can I be undeni-..."

Joe Rogan 23:49 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 23:49 I would see these guys go up, like fucking Greer Barnes or, uh, Mike DiStefano, and I would just be like, "They are just undeniable." And, yeah, l- I don't know. I just... I didn't even fucking drink, I think, for like a decade. I was like, "I gotta get better at this. I gotta just kinda work."

Joe Rogan 24:06 Oh.

Andrew Schulz 24:06 And maybe that comes from, like, watching my parents work hard or something.

Joe Rogan 24:10 I'm sure that helps. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:11 Yeah, they were really hard workers.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:13 And that's, like, the expectation of work.... is to-

Joe Rogan 24:16 Also, you have a lot of gratitude. And I think if you have gratitude, you realize how fortunate you are to have the ability to work hard.

Andrew Schulz 24:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:23 'Cause that's a real thing.

Andrew Schulz 24:24 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Especially working hard at something that you're actually successful at.

Andrew Schulz 24:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Like, once you're actually successful, keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker.

Andrew Schulz 24:32 Bro, it is...

Joe Rogan 24:33 Keep that foot on the gas. Let's go.

Andrew Schulz 24:35 Yeah. That, that's, like, the balance. Like, you just put something out, so I imagine you took a little time o- off afterwards.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Yeah, I did. I got, like, 25 minutes right now.

Andrew Schulz 24:44 Okay, so you're building back.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 24:46 And, like, I, I find in order for the next thing I do to be different, I have to take time away.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Uh-huh.

Andrew Schulz 24:53 'Cause I have to, like, reflect on the changes in my life. And if I keep going, like earlier in my career, I would just go, go, go, go. And I found I was writing different versions of the same jokes.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Right.

Andrew Schulz 25:05 Like, they were different jokes, but it was the same topic, same kind of reaction, and I think it was... I just wasn't-

Joe Rogan 25:11 You're trying to fill time.

Andrew Schulz 25:12 I'm just, I'm on the road. I'm like, "I gotta go back to Albany next year." This is-

Joe Rogan 25:15 You gotta do another hour. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 25:16 ... I'm making $1,500 a weekend. I gotta go.

Joe Rogan 25:17 And then you get connected to that material because you've been doing it for a while.

Andrew Schulz 25:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:21 And then it doesn't really resonate with you. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 25:23 And then, yeah. So it's like...

Joe Rogan 25:25 I think Louis took a whole year off.

Andrew Schulz 25:27 I think... I, I really, I really respect that.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Yeah. I think, I think it's wise.

Andrew Schulz 25:32 ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:32 I think taking time and thinking about it is really wise. And thinking about, like, what are the things that are, that are on your mind?

Andrew Schulz 25:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:38 Like, what is, what is, uh... How do you really feel about this world that we live in? This, this world that seems more and more like it's not real? (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 25:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:47 More and more like it's a fucking simulation.

Andrew Schulz 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 I'm-

Andrew Schulz 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:51 I'm kind of convinced now.

Andrew Schulz 25:52 What, it is a simulation?

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah, there's something going on. There's something more to reality than what meets the eye. There's more to it than what you can put on a scale or what you can put a ruler to.

Andrew Schulz 26:04 Well-

Joe Rogan 26:04 There's more to this thing. This thing is made out of, like, some very bizarre energy that's attached to consciousness. That's what I think.

Andrew Schulz 26:12 What do you mean by this?

Joe Rogan 26:15 I think that, like, I think it's really possible. First of all, it's inevitable that one day they will achieve a simulation that is indiscernible from reality.

Andrew Schulz 26:28 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 And, and... N- no doubt about it. They've gotten real close, you know, where you could put on haptic feedback suits-

Andrew Schulz 26:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 ... and you can see things and you feel like you're in a room. There... You know, it's crude, but it's, like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years ago-

Andrew Schulz 26:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:42 ... versus, you know, some modern warfare game now.

Andrew Schulz 26:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:46 They're going to get to a point where it's indiscernible.

Andrew Schulz 26:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:50 So if it, if it does happen, how do you know? How do you know when that takes place? Now, here's the question. Is that the ultimate progression of technology? Is the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical reality and becoming completely digital life? So if that is possible, how do we know-

Andrew Schulz 27:14 What's real.

Joe Rogan 27:14 ... if it hasn't already happened?

Andrew Schulz 27:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:16 How can we know if it hasn't already happened?

Andrew Schulz 27:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Well, one thing I would say, that if this world was scripted, it would be filled with a lot of shit that's exactly like what happened. Trump would get shot in the ear and say, "Fight, fight, fight."

Andrew Schulz 27:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 You would have Elon Musk at the inauguration looking like he's on another planet.

Andrew Schulz 27:35 (laughs) Now, now, Joe, I just want to make a point here. You're making the argument for determinism.

Joe Rogan 27:40 No, I'm not.

Andrew Schulz 27:41 (laughs) You, you're kinda. You're saying it's scripted.

Joe Rogan 27:42 I'm making, I'm, I'm making the argument that there's a conscious interface.

Andrew Schulz 27:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:47 There's consciousness and it's interfacing with something that's not entirely real.

Andrew Schulz 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 And that is the life that we're living in.

Andrew Schulz 27:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 And we think it's way realer than it actually is.

Andrew Schulz 27:56 Yeah. So is somebody in control of it, or they're allowing-

Joe Rogan 27:58 I don't know.

Andrew Schulz 27:59 ... us to have, uh, some semblance of control?

Joe Rogan 28:02 I feel like it might be controlled by the actual things that are inside of it. So I think our destiny is truly in our hands.

Andrew Schulz 28:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:11 I really believe that.

Andrew Schulz 28:12 I like that.

Joe Rogan 28:12 I really believe that.

Andrew Schulz 28:12 And then if that is the case, how is that not real?

Joe Rogan 28:15 Well, it is real-

Andrew Schulz 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 ... in a sense. But I think that the, the actual way that things happen and work is dependent entirely on the level of consciousness that people have that are experiencing it. This sounds, like, very hippy dippy and wooey, and it all comes, comes from a lot of different things, but one of it comes from Tom Campbell, who, who wrote this, like, very fucking bizarre book that I've listened to on audiobook twice now.

Andrew Schulz 28:41 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Where he's talking about, essentially, what we think of as reality is just a simulation.

Andrew Schulz 28:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:49 The whole entire thing is our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience it throughout the day. But when we are not here-

Andrew Schulz 28:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:58 ... that is not the same thing.

Andrew Schulz 29:00 What do you mean when we're not here? When we die, you're saying?

Joe Rogan 29:02 Like, when we're not... If you're not on Mars-

Andrew Schulz 29:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:05 ... is Mars real? Or is Mars something that we, we agree is real, we agree it's in a certain space, and it'll only be there when we get there? Like, if, if the universe is a true simulation-

Andrew Schulz 29:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 ... imagine, what a mind fuck. You have a simulation where it's perfect in that it has all these galaxies and supernovas.

Andrew Schulz 29:26 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 29:26 The moon aligns-

Andrew Schulz 29:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:28 ... perfectly with the Earth-

Andrew Schulz 29:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:30 ... to cause eclipses.

Andrew Schulz 29:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:31 And without the moon being there, our entire atmosphere would fall apart.

Andrew Schulz 29:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:35 We would never be able to survive.

Andrew Schulz 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:36 So it's like this perfect little thing-

Andrew Schulz 29:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:38 ... that's set right there, and we spin around-

Andrew Schulz 29:41 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:41 ... and worry which bathroom should we let the guy in a dress go to. And... (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 29:48 (laughs) Okay.

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Andrew Schulz 30:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:26 But meanwhile, it's just a show that's being put on for our consciousness.

Andrew Schulz 30:30 Okay, so it's a show being put on for our consciousness, right? And then somebody's putting on the show. And then we get the ability to go to the moon, and then they gotta scramble and make a moon?

Joe Rogan 30:38 ... no, there's a moon. I mean, it doesn't matter.

Andrew Schulz 30:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:40 Wherever you, wherever you go, there is a place-

Andrew Schulz 30:41 'Cause that is kinda funny is like, if like, our technology gets so good and they're just going, "Fuck, we gotta make this thing real?"

Joe Rogan 30:47 This isn't-

Andrew Schulz 30:47 Like, they're on the way.

Joe Rogan 30:48 ... d- I'm well aware for your, your, like criticizing me. This is a dopey way to describe it. But I, I, you know, if the tree falls in the forest and there's no one there-

Andrew Schulz 30:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:56 ... does it make a sound?

Andrew Schulz 30:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:58 I don't even know if the tree falls if there's no one there.

Andrew Schulz 31:02 Oh, God. That's not... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:04 (laughs) I'm not convinced.

Andrew Schulz 31:05 J- I'm not convinced.

Joe Rogan 31:07 Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh, Josh. I'm not convinced.

Andrew Schulz 31:09 So the tree... Okay. Okay. So-

Joe Rogan 31:12 I think if you take a trip to the Pacific Northwest, you will find trees.

Andrew Schulz 31:15 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:15 I just don't know if they're there all the time.

Andrew Schulz 31:18 Some of... So they're only there in reference to us looking at them? Oh, I get what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 31:23 I think that's-

Andrew Schulz 31:23 Wait, wait, wait. So you're playing a video game.

Joe Rogan 31:25 Uh-huh.

Andrew Schulz 31:26 And as you move throughout the map of the video game-

Joe Rogan 31:29 It has to render new levels.

Andrew Schulz 31:30 ... it presents itself.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 31:31 But you're saying without us accessing it, it isn't presenting itself.

Joe Rogan 31:35 It might be the whole universe.

Andrew Schulz 31:36 They're saving our data.

Joe Rogan 31:37 That might be the whole universe. The whole universe might be us interacting with something.

Andrew Schulz 31:43 But they exist.

Joe Rogan 31:44 But it doesn't exist without us.

Andrew Schulz 31:48 Yeah. And, and this is one of those things like, what does it matter either way?

Joe Rogan 31:50 But exists with us in this moment, like if you jump off a cliff-

Andrew Schulz 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:53 ... you will die.

Andrew Schulz 31:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Like, gravity is real.

Andrew Schulz 31:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:56 You'll get pulverized.

Andrew Schulz 31:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:58 No, no, no doubt. But...

Andrew Schulz 32:01 It's because you jumped.

Joe Rogan 32:03 I- it's also like your consciousness is re- is the reason why all this is here.

Andrew Schulz 32:08 Yeah, that's the-

Joe Rogan 32:08 'Cause you're interacting with it.

Andrew Schulz 32:09 That's the manifestation of everything though. So I, I get what you're saying, like yet-

Joe Rogan 32:13 The structure-

Andrew Schulz 32:14 ... existentially, does it exist if we're not touching it, feeling it? I- it's, it's, um, what'd they say about like, the Native Americans when they first saw the ships? They didn't know what they were so they-

Joe Rogan 32:22 Yeah, that's bullshit.

Andrew Schulz 32:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 That's not real.

Andrew Schulz 32:23 Exactly. But like...

Joe Rogan 32:24 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 32:25 But, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, um, I wouldn't say that it's not real in that they didn't understand what it was. W- in the distance, did they think there were like mountains moving closer? If they-

Joe Rogan 32:36 They probably just saw these giant pieces of wood and was trying to figure out, they had structures.

Andrew Schulz 32:40 They might not know it's wood.

Joe Rogan 32:41 But didn't they have structures?

Andrew Schulz 32:42 I don't know if they were fishing at that time. I'm not sure. But if you see them in the distance, you see them moving forward.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Right, right.

Andrew Schulz 32:46 I get the idea, like your brain can't map what that is yet.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Right, you'd be freaked out.

Andrew Schulz 32:50 So it's mapping to whatever you know. So it's like, "Oh, shit, is it low tide? And there's some like sandbars out there that are slowly approaching?"

Joe Rogan 32:55 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 32:55 "What the fuck is that?" That's kind of what you're saying. We can't under- like, I can't understand like what a glacier is without knowing what it is. When I see a glacier for the first time, I can recognize glaciers everywhere. But if I take someone who's never seen a glacier to it...

Joe Rogan 33:08 I think this guy's going further than that. I think he's saying that glaciers aren't real unless you're there.

Andrew Schulz 33:13 B- but if someone is there...

Joe Rogan 33:15 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 33:15 ... at every point in time, throughout the world, then everything is.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 33:21 And we have enough people-

Joe Rogan 33:22 If someone is there.

Andrew Schulz 33:22 ... where-

Joe Rogan 33:22 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 33:22 ... there's some people in Antarctica. All right, so Antarctica's always there. There's some people in Alaska. Okay, so that's always there. If we have enough people throughout the world, the world is this congealed substance that we can look at, feel, touch, and experience.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Yeah. And it might be like the map of the game is like those NASA satellite photos of Earth.

Andrew Schulz 33:40 I don't kn-

Joe Rogan 33:40 That's, that's the map of the game. Like if you wanted to like go through a game, a video game, and, uh, before you go through the game, it shows you, like, well these are the arenas in which you're playing, and then-

Andrew Schulz 33:49 And you can choose one of them?

Joe Rogan 33:51 If... Yeah. Yeah. You, you-

Andrew Schulz 33:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:52 ... could choose one or you know which level you're going to.

Andrew Schulz 33:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Like that's those NASA 3D photos of the Earth. That's what Earth is.

Andrew Schulz 33:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 Earth is like the place where we play this consciousness game.

Andrew Schulz 34:00 When you're sitting at home and you're like, thinking about these things...

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:04 ... do you like, talk to your kids about it? Like-

Joe Rogan 34:06 No. That's too weird to talk to kids about.

Andrew Schulz 34:08 What about your wife? Are you like just going, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 34:10 She, she would go, "What?"

Andrew Schulz 34:11 Yeah. Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:12 (laughs) You know my wife. She'd be like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Andrew Schulz 34:20 Okay. Okay, so you're walk- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:22 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 34:22 So you get out of the sauna, you have a nice sweat, you're walking around your house, you're looking at the stars.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 34:27 You see fucking Saturn or whatever in the sky.

Joe Rogan 34:29 Look, if she wants to talk about something like that-

Andrew Schulz 34:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 ... she'll bring it up. Like if she wants to talk about something heavy, it's not like I wouldn't talk-

Andrew Schulz 34:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 ... about something heavy with her.

Andrew Schulz 34:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:37 But generally, like I come home from work, she's been with the kids.

Andrew Schulz 34:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:41 She's doing this and that.

Andrew Schulz 34:42 She don't need all that.

Joe Rogan 34:43 We, we eat dinner. We have fun. How was school? Have a good time. Maybe we watch a little Severance together.

Andrew Schulz 34:49 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 But if she's like, "Did you ever think that maybe this is, all isn't real?" I'd be like, "I'm so glad you brought this up."

Andrew Schulz 34:57 Let's go. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:58 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 34:59 Okay, so do you, do you struggle battling with the... 'cause some people, when they think about this stuff, they feel their own insignificance, and it's very depressing for them.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Oh, it doesn't matter. Y- like this-

Andrew Schulz 35:09 So you're unaffected entirely-

Joe Rogan 35:11 No.

Andrew Schulz 35:11 ... that like, your existence in this lifetime, over the grand scheme of things, could not be important.

Joe Rogan 35:18 It can't be important.

Andrew Schulz 35:20 But it is.

Joe Rogan 35:21 So, but it is to you and it is to the people around you. So your life is-

Andrew Schulz 35:24 And if that makes up our reality, then it's important.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Sure. But why think about that? Why think about whether or not you're important? I just don't waste any time thinking about whether or not I'm important.

Andrew Schulz 35:32 Maybe important is-

Joe Rogan 35:33 I, I mean-

Andrew Schulz 35:33 Maybe important is like a, a pretentious word.

Joe Rogan 35:35 Even in-

Andrew Schulz 35:35 Not i- not important. I mean like a...

Joe Rogan 35:36 Don't think about the end of the game. Play the game. Don't go, "Oh my God, it's gonna end."

Andrew Schulz 35:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:40 "Oh, my quarter's gonna run out." Just play the game.

Andrew Schulz 35:42 But some people won't play the game if they know it's, there's no game at all, or they know it is completely a game. I think that there's this like a urgency that is applied. Like, okay, I have to, I have to create the art that I wanna create in this time of my life. Like, time is something I've been thinking about like nonstop since I had a kid.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 35:58 It's like time. How do I spend time? It, it maybe is a cliché, but it, it is the, the thing that I like value the most. And everything gets broken up into these little quadrants of time.

Joe Rogan 36:07 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 36:07 "Okay, I'm out here. I'm doing some pods. Okay, I'm away from my daughter. I'm away from my wife. How do I get back that time? How can I like create these events?" Like I don't even buy expensive shit. I like to take a vacation with my friends. I want us all to stay in the villa together, 'cause when we're in different hotel rooms, we miss out on those little moments in between.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Right.

Andrew Schulz 36:24 Like, ah, time, time, time.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 36:26 And to me, it's like I'm putting an importance on this, I guess the game you say you're playing. I want to experience the most of this game as I possibly can while I'm here. And I have all these examples of people like finishing the game. You know, my dad, you know, he's a, he's got dementia and all this stuff. It's like you're seeing...... your ability to, I guess, manifest that reality, you're, you're at the kind of end of your game. You know, knock on wood.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 36:49 But like, yeah. I, I, I, the idea of like me being important, I don't care about like that in terms of how people see it. But in this time I have here, I want to believe it's really important and I want to soak as much of it up as I can. You know?

Joe Rogan 37:02 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 37:02 And I think sometimes when you're like, "Ah, it's pointless. It's, it's nothing." Like, I felt like Jim Carey was going through that moment. Like, there were these times where I'd see Jim talking about like the insignificance of the world. And I feel like that can kind of like lead people to sadness and depression. I feel like sometimes you need the battery in your back of, of, of importance. Not you being important to other people, but the time you spend here being valuable.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Yeah. Well, that's part of gratitude too. That's one of your best traits. Um, and having gratitude is, you would recognize that you, this time is precious, you know?

Andrew Schulz 37:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:37 And use it to the best of your ability. And, and really like, you enjoy it.

Andrew Schulz 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Like soak it up.

Andrew Schulz 37:42 Did you see Everything Everywhere All at Once?

Joe Rogan 37:44 Yeah, I did.

Andrew Schulz 37:46 Like, I thought that was a beautiful, uh, beautiful way of, of showcasing how people look at like the nothingness of life.

Joe Rogan 37:54 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 37:55 This girl sees it as potentially nothing and falls into her own kind of, I guess you would call it this just depression. Why is it worth it? What the fuck is going on?

Joe Rogan 38:08 Right.

Andrew Schulz 38:09 And she kind of sees her father as this like weak guy that's getting like walked over. And then comes to realize that like he chooses to deal with the nothingness with kindness and love with everybody. And in reality, he's like a hero. Like, his perspective on the world is the best. When confronted with the nothingness of life, he chooses to like be compassionate and loving, and it's actually like the most heroic stand you can take.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Hm.

Andrew Schulz 38:34 I think it's very easy just to submit to nothingness. You're, uh, determined is maybe the wrong word, but like, you like hard shit. The day, the day you're no longer here is when you can no longer do hard shit. I feel like your day is full of it, and it's just constant. Like wake up, "I'm getting in the fucking ice bath." Like everything I see you do is hard. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 38:54 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 38:54 Like you could shoot a fucking thing with a gun if you want. You can shoot animals with a gun. I'm surprised you don't run on them with a fucking knife.

Joe Rogan 39:01 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 39:01 Like, like literally like I feel like one day I'm gonna see you go, "I'm going knife hunting. I'm going bear knife hunting."

Joe Rogan 39:06 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 39:06 Just because it's a difficult thing to do. And I don't know, maybe that's how you process the process existence.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Well, I think if you are a person who enjoys challenges and, and finds a reward in like working hard and, and overcoming that resistance inside of you as, uh, Pressfield talks about, that, that thing that wants you to be lazy, if you, if you have value in that, you find value in that and it helps you live like a more enriched, more fulfilling life, you tend to just keep doing that.

Andrew Schulz 39:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Because this is like, if I... I know for a fact, me, as much as I work out and take care of myself, if I take like three days off...

Andrew Schulz 39:47 You'll start to get used to it?

Joe Rogan 39:48 I start getting depressed or I start getting anxious or I start feeling weird. Like, I don't feel level. Like, a couple of days off are just like, ugh, I just feel gross. I'm just like, "Why is the world so weird?" And then I'll have one good hard workout and then I'm like, "Oh, everything's fine." And I'm like, how many people need that and don't get it?

Andrew Schulz 40:06 So what is that?

Joe Rogan 40:07 It's just the human body has certain requirements 'cause it's designed to run from tigers.

Andrew Schulz 40:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:13 Okay. The h- the human body is designed to constantly be-

Andrew Schulz 40:17 So you have to feed it.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Yeah, you have to-

Andrew Schulz 40:19 You have to feed it. You have to deal with these difficult things 'cause for millions of years, that's how our brains and bodies have been processed to work efficiently.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yes.

Andrew Schulz 40:26 And if you don't put in those situations, what is, is the messaging like you're wasting this time here?

Joe Rogan 40:33 Look-

Andrew Schulz 40:33 Like what is that internal messaging?

Joe Rogan 40:34 ... you can have both, right? You can have people that have brilliant minds and shit bodies. They exist. There's people that don't take care of their body at all.

Andrew Schulz 40:44 Stephen Hawking.

Joe Rogan 40:44 And they're... Yeah, Stephen Hawking. Uh, but he, you know, he had a disease. But-

Andrew Schulz 40:48 But he wasn't like an Adonis before.

Joe Rogan 40:50 Right, that's true too.

Andrew Schulz 40:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:51 Right.

Andrew Schulz 40:52 People act like it, it's a big difference.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yeah. But the, the best way for your brain to work well is if your body is healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean you have to be a weightlifter. It doesn't mean you have to be... You don't have to do any specific thing. If you like running, run. If you like tennis, play tennis. If you like yoga, do yoga. But you should 100% do something. Find a thing you enjoy doing. That's why golf or, uh, or rather, uh, tennis is such a great thing 'cause it's cardio and it's fun.

Andrew Schulz 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Right? You're doing a fun thing. Do do, do do. You're playing with your friends, you're talking shit.

Andrew Schulz 41:24 Also community.

Joe Rogan 41:25 Yeah. Community.

Andrew Schulz 41:26 Huge.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Yeah. But you're, you're active. If you don't do that, I don't think your body is in sync.

Andrew Schulz 41:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:34 And I think there's a whole lot of people running out there taking care of things with pills that you could fix way better and what... And feel and look better more importantly. You, it would help in every aspect of your life. It would help you think clearer. You'd have less stress. You'd be more reasonable. Like go fucking do something-

Andrew Schulz 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:54 ... with your goddamn body.

Andrew Schulz 41:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:56 And if you, if you don't do that, I really believe if you don't do that, you have less potential. You could have a genius mind that allows you to overcome that potential with just, just pure intelligence.

Andrew Schulz 42:08 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:08 Just a pure insight on the world that's extraordinary. You could overcome bullshit hormone levels and bullshit, you know, body fat levels.

Andrew Schulz 42:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:18 You could, but you shouldn't.

Andrew Schulz 42:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:20 You're so fucking smart and you got a terrible body.

Andrew Schulz 42:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Like what, what's wrong with you?

Andrew Schulz 42:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Get one of these goddamn things.

Andrew Schulz 42:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:25 You can make that thing awesome.

Andrew Schulz 42:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 You don't even do anything.

Andrew Schulz 42:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:28 Get one of these.

Andrew Schulz 42:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Get one fucking body and yours is a dumpster.

Andrew Schulz 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yours is a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy.

Andrew Schulz 42:36 What do you like, when you're talking to these high functioning dudes, you're talking to like an Elon, is there... Do they value exercise and stuff like that at all? Like can he even put that in his day? Like-

Joe Rogan 42:47 Um, Elon's a different animal.... there, there's no other human I've ever met like him.

Andrew Schulz 42:52 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:52 Um, no. He, I don't think he exercises much. I think maybe a little bit. I know he was thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did some training.

Andrew Schulz 43:00 He didn't want to get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 43:00 Where did he train? With Lex and who else? Was it Georges St-Pierre?

Andrew Schulz 43:04 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:04 They put up a photo of it. It wa- it was Georges, right? So, he trains with one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time.

Andrew Schulz 43:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Lex Friedman, our boy, who is, uh, also a Brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelt.

Andrew Schulz 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 And I think he just did a little bit of that and was like, "Fuck this."

Andrew Schulz 43:17 Yeah. Shout out, Lex, man.

Joe Rogan 43:18 Yeah, there it is. Look-

Andrew Schulz 43:19 Look at Lex.

Joe Rogan 43:19 And John Danaher. The great John Danaher, the greatest-

Andrew Schulz 43:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 ... jiu jitsu coach of all time. So, he was, like, learning some stuff. He's-

Andrew Schulz 43:24 I'll never forget Lex, uh, coming to my wedding uninvited and blacking out.

Joe Rogan 43:29 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 43:30 I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Ah.

Andrew Schulz 43:31 Thank you, Lex. We really appreciate that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:33 Well, in all fairness, it was my fault that he blacked out.

Andrew Schulz 43:36 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You forced him to drink.

Joe Rogan 43:38 I kind of got him a drink-

Andrew Schulz 43:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:40 ... and, uh, didn't realize the Russian in him had a mind of his own. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 43:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:46 That Russian-

Andrew Schulz 43:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:47 ... mixed with that fucking American bourbon-

Andrew Schulz 43:50 Yo.

Joe Rogan 43:50 ... that motherfucker was off to the races.

Andrew Schulz 43:51 It's so funny. Whitney was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna take Lex." I was like, "Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I like that guy." And then I remember seeing him on like a beach chair just passed the fuck out.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Oh, dude, we had an adventure.

Andrew Schulz 44:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:01 So, we-

Andrew Schulz 44:01 You guys went to Vegas later that night, right?

Joe Rogan 44:02 We go to Vegas that night 'cause Whitney had, uh, a wedding.

Andrew Schulz 44:04 (laughs) Like a corporate-

Joe Rogan 44:06 She had a wedding. She had a wedding-

Andrew Schulz 44:07 Oh, I thought she had a gig.

Joe Rogan 44:08 ... at someone's house. It was a corporate gig.

Andrew Schulz 44:08 Oh, it was a gig. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:09 But it was a wedding at someone's house.

Andrew Schulz 44:10 Okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 I think it was a wedding or a birthday, whatever it was.

Andrew Schulz 44:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Party, private party at someone's house. Must've been a b- birthday. So, uh, we fly from your wedding.

Andrew Schulz 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Yay, congratulations. Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 We hang out and then hop on a jet. You know, it's only 30 minutes to Vegas.

Andrew Schulz 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 We get to Vegas. By the time we land, Lex is lit.

Andrew Schulz 44:29 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:29 I mean, Lex is l-

Andrew Schulz 44:30 He was lit at the party. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:31 Lit, lit, lit.

Andrew Schulz 44:32 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 So, Whitney, uh, performs at this lady's house.

Andrew Schulz 44:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Um, I-

Andrew Schulz 44:38 Didn't you go on?

Joe Rogan 44:39 I introduce her.

Andrew Schulz 44:40 Oh, I thought you did like five minutes.

Joe Rogan 44:41 I go into ... No, I was drunk too.

Andrew Schulz 44:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:42 I w- I went up and said, "Happy birthday," whatever, to the lady. I forget what it was. I think, I'm pretty sure it was birthday.

Andrew Schulz 44:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:47 Um, uh, and then I bring up, "My good friend, one of the most hilarious comics in the world. Whitney, come."

Andrew Schulz 44:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 And then, uh, um, she, we, we get on the plane, or we, we get in the car to go to the plane-

Andrew Schulz 44:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:59 ... to head back.

Andrew Schulz 45:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:00 And there's no plane.

Andrew Schulz 45:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:02 They never booked a return flight.

Andrew Schulz 45:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:04 So, we try (laughs) ... So, we try to get a return flight 'cause they had her, got her a little-

Andrew Schulz 45:09 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 45:09 ... shitty private jet to get there.

Andrew Schulz 45:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:11 And so then we try to get a return flight. We cannot. I call my service. They can't. The, uh, quickest they can do it is in the morning.

Andrew Schulz 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Like, "What do you guys wanna do?" So, I, we decide that we're gonna get a limo, and so have a car service-

Andrew Schulz 45:23 And drive back.

Joe Rogan 45:23 ... drive us back to LA.

Andrew Schulz 45:24 Love it.

Joe Rogan 45:25 So, it was four-hour drive or whatever the fuck it is.

Andrew Schulz 45:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:27 So, it's me, my wife, Whitney, and Lex.

Andrew Schulz 45:30 (laughs) I remember you just sending me videos-

Joe Rogan 45:32 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 45:32 ... of Lex passed out at different parts of the casino. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:37 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 45:37 (laughs) And he's just ... He misses it.

Joe Rogan 45:38 That's at the airport.

Andrew Schulz 45:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:41 That's, that's at the airport.

Andrew Schulz 45:43 This is, but he's like that for the last 12 hours. He was like that at the wedding.

Joe Rogan 45:46 Oh, yeah. He was obliterated. I mean, he went hard. That boy goes hard.

Andrew Schulz 45:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:49 He goes hard. It makes you wanna not drink.

Andrew Schulz 45:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:51 There's certain people when I'm around, I'm like, "I think I'm done."

Andrew Schulz 45:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 "I think I'm done."

Andrew Schulz 45:55 I feel like less people are drinking.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Well, it's really a- a good idea.

Andrew Schulz 45:57 That might be, that might be your influence.

Joe Rogan 45:59 It's a good idea to not drink so much.

Andrew Schulz 46:01 I wonder if the, uh, like the alcohol companies are concerned. They're trying to find something.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Eh, there's always gonna be drunks.

Andrew Schulz 46:07 I, I, I see it, I see it, uh, like beer consumption way down.

Joe Rogan 46:12 The problem is it's poison.

Andrew Schulz 46:13 Yeah. But everything's poison.

Joe Rogan 46:15 It's wonderful, lovely poison.

Andrew Schulz 46:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:17 My favorite poison is wine. I love-

Andrew Schulz 46:19 It's a great poison.

Joe Rogan 46:20 ... a, a great glass of wine.

Andrew Schulz 46:21 Do we have a little, like, a nice little red going on here?

Joe Rogan 46:24 Uh, do we have any red wine here?

Andrew Schulz 46:26 I wanna know what you're drinking. There's something. Yeah, there's at least some out there for sure. Can we get some?

Joe Rogan 46:31 Oh, okay. Uh, do you want some?

Andrew Schulz 46:32 I mean, if you're gonna have a glass, I'll have a glass.

Joe Rogan 46:34 I'll have a little sip with you.

Andrew Schulz 46:35 Just a little sip.

Joe Rogan 46:35 I've, I've got cut way back on my alcohol consumption.

Andrew Schulz 46:38 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 46:39 Yeah, way, way back. I would go, every time I'd go out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two.

Andrew Schulz 46:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Every time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink or two. And then one day, I sat down, I was like, "That's like four days a week, five days a week. That's like a drink or two five days a week." Like, how would you feel if you didn't have a drink or two five days a week? So, I didn't have any drinks-

Andrew Schulz 46:56 And?

Joe Rogan 46:56 ... for like two weeks and I feel a lot better.

Andrew Schulz 46:58 Really?

Joe Rogan 46:58 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 46:59 So, am I breaking your, like, streak right now?

Joe Rogan 47:01 Yeah, you would be breaking my streak.

Andrew Schulz 47:03 I don't wanna fuckin'-

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 47:03 ... your streak up with you.

Joe Rogan 47:04 Well, we don't have to drink it then. But, uh, I-

Andrew Schulz 47:05 Actually, let's break it. It'll be really fun.

Joe Rogan 47:06 I don't mind.

Andrew Schulz 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 I think the key is, like all things, it's all about moderation. But the reality of alcohol is it's basically poison.

Andrew Schulz 47:15 Yeah, but it's got great social utility.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 47:18 I feel like people undermine the value of alcohol and how-

Joe Rogan 47:21 It ain't around for all these years 'cause it sucks.

Andrew Schulz 47:24 And, like, if you travel, it r- you don't get to experience certain cultures in their truest form without them consuming alcohol.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Right.

Andrew Schulz 47:33 Like, if you've gone to-

Joe Rogan 47:34 Right.

Andrew Schulz 47:34 ... like Ireland, you go to Dublin. Like, during the day, they are very different people and they seem kinda like tight and dour. And then at night, at the pub, after like a few Guinness-

Joe Rogan 47:44 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 47:44 ... it seems almost cliche, but everybody's singing and dancing and there's so much, like, love and connectivity. And you see why all this great, like, literature, music, and poetry just comes from this tiny little island.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 47:57 And you're like, "Oh, wow, you really need that." Like, it is a tough place to live and you gotta stuff everything down-

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 48:03 ... and you need a release valve. Same thing with Russia. Like, when I was in Russia, seeing them on the drink, they're way-

Joe Rogan 48:09 On the drink. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 48:10 (laughs) On the drink. I- they're warmer. They're, they're, they're, like there's warmth in the culture.

Joe Rogan 48:14 That's a great way to, to explain it though, on the drink.

Andrew Schulz 48:16 For real, we have fancy glasses. Two choices.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Okay.

Andrew Schulz 48:19 There's this or that. They're both Cabernet, though. What are you thinking, Joe?

Joe Rogan 48:21 Well, what is-

Andrew Schulz 48:21 '97 or 2022?

Joe Rogan 48:23 Uh, which one was the one that you just touched?

Andrew Schulz 48:26 '97.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Grab that one, where your hand is. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 48:29 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:29 That's (laughs) -

Andrew Schulz 48:30 So-

Joe Rogan 48:30 That's how we're gonna decide.

Andrew Schulz 48:31 So, here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 48:31 '97 was a long time ago.

Andrew Schulz 48:33 How do you, how do you, like, how do you find that balance where, like, you kinda need it?

Joe Rogan 48:36 That's old-ass wine, huh?

Andrew Schulz 48:38 Yeah, I don't know who brought it. It's been sitting here.

Joe Rogan 48:39 How do you find, um, what balance?

Andrew Schulz 48:41 Just like there, it allows people to access this part of themselves that they might feel is like a push down or-

Joe Rogan 48:49 Well, the problem is if you use it too much, right?

Andrew Schulz 48:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:51 And, and it's also, the problem is, like, I notice if I, I drink three or four nights in a week, I don't feel as good.

Andrew Schulz 48:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:57 And when I don't drink at all for two weeks and I feel like really good all the time, I'm like, "What am I, retarded?"

Andrew Schulz 49:02 Why am I drinking?

Joe Rogan 49:02 Why would I drink?

Andrew Schulz 49:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Like, I don't need to drink to have a good time.

Andrew Schulz 49:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:06 But, you know, when you're at the bar or at the club rather and everyone's being social-... and Tony's like, "Who wants a drink? Anybody want a drink?"

Andrew Schulz 49:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:12 And they're like, "Hey, cheers."

Andrew Schulz 49:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:14 It's just about discipline. It's just about, like-

Andrew Schulz 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 ... if you feel like you're going off the rails, hit the brakes.

Andrew Schulz 49:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:20 Settle down.

Andrew Schulz 49:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:21 What are you doing?

Andrew Schulz 49:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:23 You gotta... But a lot of folks don't have any of that-

Andrew Schulz 49:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:26 ... unfortunately. And, you know, they, they'll be sober for a long time and then one glass of Chardonnay later they're doing cocaine-

Andrew Schulz 49:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:34 ... and heading to Vegas (laughs) .

Andrew Schulz 49:36 Smacking the alcohol.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Bruce Lewis Friedman.

Andrew Schulz 49:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:39 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 49:39 Flowing rails. (laughs) On a private jet.

Joe Rogan 49:42 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 49:43 Who does coke and passes out? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:46 That's how drunk you are. (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 49:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:53 There's something so funny about people passed out. That's like the f- it's the funniest shit ever.

Andrew Schulz 49:58 Yeah, they're, they become children. They're babies.

Joe Rogan 49:59 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 50:00 They're like infants, you know. They're just completely uncontrolled of their body. Yeah, you're not even there.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Hello.

Andrew Schulz 50:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Look at you out cold. It's just a weird aspect to people that we have to shut off.

Andrew Schulz 50:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:11 That's so weird.

Andrew Schulz 50:13 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 50:13 I was just, uh, watching this video about this guy who, uh, he did a radio broadcast at Times Square where he stayed up for eight days.

Andrew Schulz 50:24 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:24 And this guys started having crazy hallucinations. He was having his REM sleep... His REM cycles in his brain were going off while he was awake.

Andrew Schulz 50:33 While he was awake. Interesting.

Joe Rogan 50:34 So he was living inside nightmares.

Andrew Schulz 50:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:37 I'll send it to Jamie. It's, it was crazy. I think Duncan sent it to me. It's, it's really wild.

Andrew Schulz 50:42 They say that can induce insanity faster than anything, right?

Joe Rogan 50:46 Oh, for sure, dude. I mean, that, that... Without a doubt.

Andrew Schulz 50:49 The sleep deprivation.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Yeah. Sleep deprivation is really bad for you.

Andrew Schulz 50:53 How many hours you get a night?

Joe Rogan 50:55 I try to get at least seven.

Andrew Schulz 50:57 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Um-

Andrew Schulz 50:58 So you're... If you've come, if you come home-

Joe Rogan 51:00 But if I have good nights, I get more.

Andrew Schulz 51:01 But what if you come home late from the club? You're just, you, you-

Joe Rogan 51:03 When I, when I do... If, uh, if it's school days especially-

Andrew Schulz 51:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:08 ... um, I get up in the morning, I say goodbye, and then I'll maybe go back to sleep for an hour.

Andrew Schulz 51:13 Mm.

Joe Rogan 51:13 So, like, I'll get up with them, you know, see them off, and then I'll go back to sleep for, like, one more hour.

Andrew Schulz 51:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:19 'Cause I can s- I can sleep on the ground, dude. I can go to sleep on rocks. I could just- (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 51:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:24 (laughs) I just, I know how to pass out. So, like, I could go right back to sleep and I'm good.

Andrew Schulz 51:29 Cheers.

Joe Rogan 51:29 But I like seven. But I can function on six. I had six last night.

Andrew Schulz 51:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:33 I had to get up in the morning for a dentist appointment. Uh, but generally speaking, um, (liquid sloshing) I'm good looking for eight.

Andrew Schulz 51:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:41 I like eight.

Andrew Schulz 51:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Eight's where it's at.

Andrew Schulz 51:43 I don't think I've had eight hours.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Tell them, my brother. Tell them.

Andrew Schulz 51:46 I don't think I've had eight hours since I had a kid.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 51:48 Cheers.

Joe Rogan 51:48 That... I didn't either for a while. (liquid sloshing) Mm. It takes a long time. (clears throat) And it's also, like, (liquid sloshing) uh, your day is way more occupied.

Andrew Schulz 52:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:01 It's, it's a completely different, like-

Andrew Schulz 52:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:04 You really realize how much your, your actual time working on something is precious when you have children because, like, they just go to bed and you're like, "Okay, I got an hour-"

Andrew Schulz 52:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:14 "... to get some shit done."

Andrew Schulz 52:15 Time to go. Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:16 You know, you got one hour. You don't have an hour to flip through your phone, check out TikTok. Uh-uh.

Andrew Schulz 52:19 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 52:20 You got an hour to get something done.

Andrew Schulz 52:22 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:22 And then you gotta go to bed.

Andrew Schulz 52:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 And then you gotta get up in the morning, you gotta get up early, you gotta help with this-

Andrew Schulz 52:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:26 ... help with that. We're doing this, we're doing that, we're packing our stuff in here.

Andrew Schulz 52:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 And okay, let's go there. And there's a thing after school. Remember, it's at 4:30.

Andrew Schulz 52:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Don't be late, okay?

Andrew Schulz 52:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:34 4:30. And then you gotta Zoom over from here, go to there, it's like-

Andrew Schulz 52:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Your day is so occupied, but it makes you more disciplined.

Andrew Schulz 52:40 It makes you more disciplined and it makes you feel more productive. Like, it's weird. Like, even going out and, like, say having some drinks or whatever, waking up, I'm feeling kind of shitty.

Joe Rogan 52:48 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 52:49 Without, like, the kid, I kind of feel guilty by halfway through the day. I'm like, "What was I doing? Why the fuck did I go out partying today?" But when I'm, like, up at 7:00 and I'm fucking tired, I'm hungover, and I'm with my wife and taking care of the baby, by 12:00 I'm like, "I'm a good fucking parent." Like, I, I feel like there's... I feel like a positive sensation in the place of this, like, guilt-ridden one that I would used to feel maybe.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 53:12 And I think it's that immediate productivity, that purpose. There's this human being you love more than anything that is, like, deeply relying on you.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 53:19 And, um, yeah, I feel... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:21 It's also the kind of love you have with them is just indescribable.

Andrew Schulz 53:25 Oh, it's... Dude. How old were you when you had your first?

Joe Rogan 53:27 40.

Andrew Schulz 53:28 Yes, I'm f- (clears throat) I'm 41 so I was... Yeah, it's the same thing. It's, it's... Yeah, it's every cliche. It's amazing you spend all this time as a, as a comedian, like, thinking of unique or different angles-

Joe Rogan 53:41 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 53:42 ... and then you're presented with your child and, like, every feeling you have is the most cliched feeling that everybody has ever described in having a child.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Yeah. And then you don't mind when babies are crying on airplanes anymore.

Andrew Schulz 53:56 Dude, it completely-

Joe Rogan 53:58 Changes everything.

Andrew Schulz 53:58 It, it is, it is adorable when they're crying on the airplane.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 54:02 You wanna, like... You almost wanna, like, help the mom with just-

Joe Rogan 54:04 Isn't that crazy how when you're a young man, you're like, "Oh my God, a baby's crying." You, like, look for something to cover your ears with.

Andrew Schulz 54:10 That's also a big city thing. I feel like, I feel like places that-

Joe Rogan 54:15 Like country places where they're so used to people-

Andrew Schulz 54:17 Where there's family dynamics and, like-

Joe Rogan 54:18 Right, right.

Andrew Schulz 54:18 ... that's rewarded.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Right, right.

Andrew Schulz 54:19 And I grew up in the city where it just wasn't that rewarded and-

Joe Rogan 54:22 Right.

Andrew Schulz 54:22 ... it's like a rare thing to even, like, be a kid in the city.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Well, especially, um, you be a, you're a kid in the city and then you go from that to being a standup comedian so you're a nighttime, nightclub guy. Like, the whole baby crying, like, oh Jesus.

Andrew Schulz 54:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 It's like, whoa, some bad decision making going on over there.

Andrew Schulz 54:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 54:44 But it is... I wish that... I would like us to change that a bit. I think that's the thing that's kind of missing in, like, this masculinity movement, this fatherhood. Like, I h- I hear a lot of guys talking about-

Joe Rogan 54:54 Is there a masculinity movement going on?

Andrew Schulz 54:56 Apparently on these pods that we do.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Is that what it is? (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 54:59 We're the manosphere, dude. This is where fucking men hang out.

Joe Rogan 55:02 I don't think they consider us the manosphere, honestly. I think the manosphere is, like, those pickup artist type dudes.

Andrew Schulz 55:07 But that's the thing. None of those guys have kids or they talk about, like, what it is to be a man, and it's like-... buddy, like, you're missing out on the most important part of the entire process.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 55:16 Like, I wanna hear the guys who have a bunch of kids telling me what it is to be a man.

Joe Rogan 55:19 Right.

Andrew Schulz 55:20 Like, to me, that's way more valuable. And I feel like they're missing out on, like, the defining moment in a man's life.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Even bitches have alpha bitches, just like a leader of the bitches.

Andrew Schulz 55:30 Oh, that's fire. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:34 (laughs) You know, so, like-

Andrew Schulz 55:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:35 ... they're, they're a leader of a movement, but-

Andrew Schulz 55:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:37 ... what, what kind of movement you leading, bro?

Andrew Schulz 55:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:39 What kind of movement you leading?

Andrew Schulz 55:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:41 You know?

Andrew Schulz 55:41 It's, it is.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yeah. You go to an island full of bitches and you could become the king.

Andrew Schulz 55:44 There's gonna be somebody there.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Just find out who that c- head bitch is and say-

Andrew Schulz 55:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 55:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:50 Time's up.

Andrew Schulz 55:51 And those bitches are probably easier to lead.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Oh, yeah. For sure. There have been... That bitch has been leading them.

Andrew Schulz 55:56 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:56 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 55:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:59 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 56:00 Yeah, just-

Joe Rogan 56:01 But it's like-

Andrew Schulz 56:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:02 ... I saw one CNN after the election, they were talking about us in specific, and they were talking about how there is this network of podcasts that are inco- interconnected-

Andrew Schulz 56:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:13 ... that has been financed, like this, this huge-

Andrew Schulz 56:17 Okay. Who's paying us? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:18 ... corporate financed network of, like-

Andrew Schulz 56:20 It's called Black Rifle Coffee. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:22 It's like, it's so stupid. No, it's-

Andrew Schulz 56:24 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:24 ... it's actually just a bunch of friends, you fucking idiots. Yeah. (laughs) We just happen to do each other's podcasts.

Andrew Schulz 56:29 I mean-

Joe Rogan 56:29 But they're, like, trying to sort it out.

Andrew Schulz 56:31 Bro, it's so funny when they try to sort out the problem.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Like, they support each other, they go on each other's shows, and they're all in this together. Well, we need that on the left. Like, good luck.

Andrew Schulz 56:40 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 56:40 You guys cancel each other if your fucking Ukraine flag is too small.

Andrew Schulz 56:44 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:46 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 56:46 Six by six.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Yeah, you fucking talk shit about each other for not having trans kids.

Andrew Schulz 56:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 You guys are out of your mind. You're not gonna, you're not gonna sync up together. You're, you're in a suicide cult.

Andrew Schulz 56:58 Yeah. I think that was... The results of the election, I don't think that they would like to believe this, but it was a, a rejection of what was happening. I think the-

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 57:06 ... the assumption is everybody just loves Trump, and he's just this populist, and every person that voted for him is like, "I just love everything about this guy." But I actually think that a lot of people were just like, "I don't like what's happening now."

Joe Rogan 57:19 Right.

Andrew Schulz 57:19 "And this current administration is saying that they don't wanna change much that's happening now."

Joe Rogan 57:24 Right.

Andrew Schulz 57:24 "So I'm voting against that lack of change."

Joe Rogan 57:27 Right.

Andrew Schulz 57:28 And I think it's important for them to realize that. Like, I talk about this a lot, especially with Charlotte and the pod, and it's just like, you have to be reflective of, like, what the people are telling you. Like, when that, the Mangione thing happened, and the reaction by the people was to laugh at it, and they were kinda like-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah, they were kind of pumped.

Andrew Schulz 57:44 But you got to look at that, and you got to pay very close attention to what people are feeling. Don't tell them what they should feel, and you know better, and, "Oh, we have to, you know, lead them to the water, 'cause they're too stupid to know how to find it." No, no, no. They are disillusioned by the medical system, and if you don't meet them there, you're never gonna win.

Joe Rogan 58:04 Mm.

Andrew Schulz 58:04 Ever.

Joe Rogan 58:05 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 58:06 And I feel like that's... At least from talking to Trump, that was something that I got from him, is like, he doesn't seem like it when you see him in, on the news and shit, but he's, like, an acute listener. Like, he listens to what people are saying, and he listens, more importantly, to what they're feeling, and he can tap into those feelings. And I think that that's what people who have had a lot of success in politics were able to do. Barack did it. Bill Clinton did it, probably, maybe, the best. Bill might've been the best. His abil- ability to communicate to people what they were feeling.

Joe Rogan 58:36 I know you feel pain.

Andrew Schulz 58:39 I do feel pain, Bill.

Joe Rogan 58:40 I'm here for you.

Andrew Schulz 58:41 You are?

Joe Rogan 58:42 I am.

Andrew Schulz 58:43 Oh, I would love that. You know, like, it was-

Joe Rogan 58:45 I'm gonna be your leader.

Andrew Schulz 58:47 Yeah, it was, uh...

Joe Rogan 58:48 (clears throat) Yeah, it's, um...

Andrew Schulz 58:50 You need to listen.

Joe Rogan 58:51 What, I think what Trump's done that's really brilliant is, uh, bringing people like Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Kash Patel.

Andrew Schulz 58:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Like, bringing those people and, like, you, you, you kind of really do get a chance to change things, like legitimately change things.

Andrew Schulz 59:06 But think about that decision, right? It's like, those people are all echoing sentiments that the majority of Americans feel. They're, we do not trust the food. Here's the guy who says the food is bad.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Right.

Andrew Schulz 59:20 Maybe we should put him in control of the food.

Joe Rogan 59:23 (laughs)

Andrew Schulz 59:24 Kind of like a simple thing.

Joe Rogan 59:25 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 59:25 Instead of going, "Well, this guy is the food doctor, and we're gonna hire the food doctor, because he knows what food is good for you, and you guys should just shut up and listen." And I feel like there's a lot of this, like, top down on the left, and I'm not trying to just, like, s- bag on the left. Like, I, I don't care, really, about that. Like, I don't even care about the politics. I care more about, like, what, where the, the cultural liquidity is. And it's like, you can't talk down to people. There's this, like, Ivy League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party, I feel, where they're like, "We know better," and just, uh, w- "You must be stupid if you don't agree with us."

Joe Rogan 59:58 Mm-hmm.

Andrew Schulz 59:59 And it's like, all right, well, I'm stupid. I'm dumb.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:02 I'm dumb, then. So, why doesn't somebody meet me where I'm stupid and start at least making me feel like I'm not an asshole for the way that I, you know, for my, I guess, you could say political leanings now? Yeah, I feel like they need to meet... And, and it's a very simple thing. Make it a class issue and I think they win. And say what you want about America, but, like, I think it's better if we have two president, or two people running for president that we're stoked about, and it's a really hard decision.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Oh, yeah.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:26 Like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 That would be wonderful. Yeah, but that's not what we had. Um, we had one group of people that legitimately wanted to change things-

Andrew Schulz 1:00:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 ... and now we're gonna see what happens if they do. What, but you're seeing weird stuff today that you never seen before-

Andrew Schulz 1:00:38 Like what?

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 ... which is, like, a real adjustment to the age of the internet. One of the things you're seeing is, I don't know if you saw the 22 different Congresspeople who were all saying the exact same line with the word shit in it.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:53 What was the line?

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 So, it's like, it's this speech.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 They're reading it verbatim.

Andrew Schulz 1:00:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 They're all reading it and doing it to a microphone as if it's a rant.

Andrew Schulz 1:01:01 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 But they're all doing from the same script, and the shit ain't right-

Andrew Schulz 1:01:06 So, this is-

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 ... is the be- the shit ain't right-

Andrew Schulz 1:01:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 ... is the beginning of it. How m- when in the history of the United States-

Andrew Schulz 1:01:11 As a politician.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 ... has a co- politicians said shit?

Andrew Schulz 1:01:14 Said, said shit, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 And not just one.... but 22 of them in tape recor- y- can you pull it up just so we can see it? Because it's so nuts. When you see them all together-

Speaker 1:01:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 ... it's just, uh, b- like they have it on screens as tiles, and they're all saying the same words.

Speaker 1:01:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 They all have their own little flare they put on it.

Speaker 1:01:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Look at this. Put- put your headphones on. This is fucking bananas. It's terrible. It's hard to listen to. It's okay. (The audio gets increasingly indistinguishable) You won't be able to... You can't really tell. It's like a crowd.

Speaker 1:01:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 But when they had three of them, when it was the first- first three, it was like, it was Chuck Schumer and someone else.

Speaker 1:01:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 They- they're saying the exact... Oh, Elizabeth Warren and someone else.

Speaker 1:01:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 They all said, they're saying the exact same words.

Speaker 1:02:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 In the exact same subjects, in the exact same order. You guys are all reading off a script, and you're trying, by putting the word "shit" in there-

Speaker 1:02:09 To be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 ... to be authentic.

Speaker 1:02:11 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 "Shit ain't right."

Speaker 1:02:12 ... to be specifically authentic. They're like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:14 ... "We need to speak to working class people-"

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 To the kids.

Speaker 1:02:17 "... to the kids."

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:17 And it's- it's... It is kinda, like, bigoted in a weird way, where, like, they're li- it feels like they're almost in a think tank, like, "Hey, listen. These poor dummies, they like it when you curse."

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:27 "So, if you use a few curse words in your speech-"

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:29 "... they're gonna really relate to you."

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Yeah.

Speaker 1:02:31 And it's like, no, no, no, we actually need somebody disruptive. We need somebody on the left that is... that might speak like that, but authentically speaks like that, and is willing to disrupt even what's happening in the left. Because, if you look at, like, what happened with the Trump and the movement, like, he disrupted the right. The right looks very different now than it did-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:02:47 ... like, five, 10 years ago, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

Speaker 1:02:49 So, I want, like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Like a MAGA Democrat.

Speaker 1:02:52 Yeah. Like, for real. Like, and- and- and what is that... Like, what do we at the- at our baseline want, right? We like abundance. Tell me how great America is going to be in your version of it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 You want a Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1:03:04 Talk that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:03:06 Like, come out talking shit. Bernie was talking shit. And I want you to come out and... If Trump can say, "We're gonna take Greenland," there can be some dem that goes, "$1 eggs." And straight up says, "We're gonna subsidize it."

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Wait, how would you do that? You gotta subsidize it?

Speaker 1:03:18 Subsidize it. Subsidize corn, you subsidize dairy, you subsidize everything.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Right.

Speaker 1:03:21 Like, why can we not subsidize it? But say something that's actually gonna impact people. Now, Trump's not gonna take Greenland, so maybe you don't get the $1 eggs, but you get this messaging across that you're actually trying to help people.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:03:33 And you're gonna have to deal with those lobbies that are bankrolling you.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:03:36 And that might piss them the fuck off, but that's the disruption we need for you- for us to trust you.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 You know what they really should do?

Speaker 1:03:41 What's that?

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 They really should have a strategic plan. If we're spending three- what is it? $350 billion went to Ukraine? What was the number? What did- what are they saying it was? I don't know what the number is.

Speaker 1:03:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Some insane... Let's say, just let's just be conservative and say $200 billion. Imagine if we spent $200 billion in the United States in all of the crime-ridden cities of the country, just completely overhauling them.

Speaker 1:04:04 All right, so here's my concern about that, is w- how much did they spend in California on homelessness?

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 $24 billion.

Speaker 1:04:12 And then, like, nothing changed, right?

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 No, they got worse.

Speaker 1:04:14 Oh, so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 They did a good job.

Speaker 1:04:15 Oh, awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 They did a good job. So, maybe we could, we could spend $36 billion, you know (laughs) like... So, there's also this idea-

Andrew Schulz 1:04:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 ... that, like, the current administration in these places, even with an abundance of money, is not gonna make change.

Andrew Schulz 1:04:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 So, you need somebody from inside, from the left to go, "Hey, these people are corrupt on my team. We're gonna root out that corruption, but we are gonna take care of homelessness, we are gonna make eggs cheaper, we are gonna build fucking 10,000 affordable housing u- housing units so that the price of, you know, your rent can go way down." There has to be something disruptive instead of, "Hey, let's just go back to normal. Let's not ruffle any feathers."

Speaker 1:04:50 (clears throat) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Like, let's just-

Speaker 1:04:51 I see what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Y- yeah.

Speaker 1:04:52 I- I reject the idea, though, that, um, progress, uh, can't be had just because, uh, people have been corrupt and they've abused money before. I feel like you could farm it off to private corporations the same way we did with Halliburton during the Iraq War. What did they do with the H- Hal- Halliburton got no-bid contracts to rebuild Iraq.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yep.

Speaker 1:05:12 And they did it. They actually built- built (laughs) all the deb- debt power plants they didn't need. There was, like, a lot of waste and weird shit that went on over there.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Yeah.

Speaker 1:05:20 You could do that with the inner cities.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 But you're saying Halliburton did a good job?

Speaker 1:05:24 You could have contracts. No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Oh.

Speaker 1:05:24 Well, I'm just saying, like, they actually did get paid to rebuild cities so you can get a private sector that would-

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 (laughs)

Speaker 1:05:30 ... would actually make money, it would become an industry.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 We'd rebuild Iraq-

Speaker 1:05:32 Instead of it being bureaucracy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:05:34 So, you see what I'm saying? Like, instead of it being something where-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Yeah.

Speaker 1:05:36 ... it's like California, they're- they're taking the homelessness-

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Yeah.

Speaker 1:05:39 ... where nothing gets done but money keeps pumping into it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Yeah.

Speaker 1:05:42 No, the only way you get paid is based on results.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Ooh.

Speaker 1:05:45 So, you have a contract with incentives based on results.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Yes.

Speaker 1:05:49 So-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 And that is the problem, there is no-

Speaker 1:05:50 You have to lower crime. You have to lower crime.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 (laughs)

Speaker 1:05:53 You have to lower, uh, juvenile detention rates. You have to improve education scores. You have to, um, m- make food, healthy food, far more accessible. It would be very easy to open up, uh, enormous food pantries in the inner city and finance it, in comparison to the amount of money we spend on other countries doing transgender monkey studies.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:16 You know? Or whatever the fuck we do.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:18 'Cause we- You know, the- the stuff they do is nuts. Like, $20 million to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:20 ... Sesame Street in Iraq.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:22 Like, it's bananas.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:23 So, just, if you've got enough money for that-

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:26 ... you've got enough money to set up food banks in every fucking city-

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Yes.

Speaker 1:06:30 ... where poor people can get nutritious food.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Yes.

Speaker 1:06:32 Just sign on, have a driver's license, whatever the fuck you need-

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Yeah.

Speaker 1:06:34 ... to get your food.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 And what are the downstream effects of that? Like, you have way less health issues-

Speaker 1:06:38 What-

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 ... which takes down the cost-

Speaker 1:06:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 ... of healthcare.

Speaker 1:06:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Yeah, this is- And also, people aren't desperate, 'cause- Yeah. ... you can actually always eat, you know, which is a real problem with some people in this country, right? What's this about, Jamie? Why are you pulling this out for?

Andrew Schulz 1:06:50 They didn't do a very good job, apparently.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Oh, well I'm sure-

Andrew Schulz 1:06:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 ... they probab- Well, I- I said they did do corruption, and there was some waste, right? 'Cause I was talking about these-

Andrew Schulz 1:06:58 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 ... power plants they built that didn't matter. But the point is, it was a business. Yeah. So, you got businesses involved, and they- they went in and they got contracts to do things. Yeah. If you got contracts to re-engineer-... these communities slowly over time.

Andrew Schulz 1:07:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 You'd have to do it where it didn't shock the community-

Andrew Schulz 1:07:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... but slowly over time. Unfortunately, you would have to ramp up the law enforcement because there's going to be resistance. If you're gonna go to the South Side of Chicago and try to clean it up-

Andrew Schulz 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 ... you got gangs in there shooting