Joe Rogan Experience #2290 - Michael Kosta

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yes, sir, Michael. Good to see you-

   3. MKMichael Kosta0:13

      Thank you.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      ... my friend.

   5. MKMichael Kosta0:15

      Thanks for having me, and really appreciate you showing me around. Wow, what a space you, you've created, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Thank you. Thank you.

   7. MKMichael Kosta0:21

      That's so cool. Keeps going. I was excited to show you the picture of my sauna.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      (laughs)

   9. MKMichael Kosta0:26

      And then you show me-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs) .

   11. MKMichael Kosta0:27

       ... (laughs) you got an archery. Uh, it's so cool, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Thank you, thank you. It's fun.

   13. MKMichael Kosta0:31

       That's so cool, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So we were just singing Jon Stewart's praises, uh, before this started. But I'm-

   15. MKMichael Kosta0:35

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       ... so happy he's back at The Daily Show.

   17. MKMichael Kosta0:37

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       And I'm so happy he makes fun of everything, and I'm so happy he still makes dick jokes.

   19. MKMichael Kosta0:41

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       You know, it's fun. It's like The Daily Show seems like The Daily Show again. Like, that guy's a very unique dude, very unique person. And one of the most important, like, pieces to, like, unify everybody. He's, uh, is reasonable.

   21. MKMichael Kosta0:54

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Like, he gets the whole-

   23. MKMichael Kosta0:56

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       ... big picture. Like, let's stop being so fucking ridiculously tribal.

   25. MKMichael Kosta1:00

       In the morning meeting, he'll come in, and we're all sitting there, the writers. And he just kind of shuts the door behind him, and we start talking. But it's, it's like a, it's like a conversation with a college professor, but he's in charge. And it's beautiful.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MKMichael Kosta1:17

       All sides. This, I disagree with that, what about this? And it's like, oh, w- it's, it's really fun to be a part of. And then someone will yell out a dick joke, and then that joke will make it to the show too, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Yeah.

   29. MKMichael Kosta1:26

       It's like smart things and dumb things. That's, that's beautiful.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Well, he's never abandoned being a real comic.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. MKMichael Kosta15:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      I mean, and when you slice into it, it's just juicy, fatty, smoky. (smacks lips)

   4. MKMichael Kosta15:06

      Why is the meat falling off the bone such an important des-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      'Cause it's so tender.

   6. MKMichael Kosta15:09

      ... okay, copy that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      It means it's been slow cooked perfectly. They have a thing where you want your brisket to fold but not break.

   8. MKMichael Kosta15:16

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      So, they take a slice of brisket and they put it over their hand and if it breaks off-

   10. MKMichael Kosta15:20

       Hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       ... you fucked up.

   12. MKMichael Kosta15:21

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       You've made your, a mushy brisket. But you want it where it's just folding-

   14. MKMichael Kosta15:25

       Right, right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       ... you know, like a thick cloth. And then-

   16. MKMichael Kosta15:27

       There's, there's a life metaphor there too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Brisket, you want it right out too. You want it, like, right after they slice it. You don't wanna wait on brisket.

   18. MKMichael Kosta15:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       You wanna eat it right... You don't wanna eat it before it's w- well, you wanna eat it while it's still warm. Look at that. See the fold?

   20. MKMichael Kosta15:39

       Oh, there's the fold.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       That guy's got his finger.

   22. MKMichael Kosta15:41

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That's a, that's a perfectly cooked brisket right there. That's it.

   24. MKMichael Kosta15:44

       Dude, I learn-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Oh.

   26. MKMichael Kosta15:45

       Every time I'm here, I learn. I remember the last time, dude, we, w- we were talking Italian billiards, and I didn't even realize it was a different billiards.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Oh, they have a bunch of different billiards.

   28. MKMichael Kosta15:54

       Yeah, but, I mean, uh, that's funny. I never had any idea about that brisket, but...

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       You know, it was all originally Germans.

   30. MKMichael Kosta16:02

       (sighs) That, that would do the brisket stuff?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Oh, shit. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      read when he's in jail-

   2. MKMichael Kosta30:01

      Oh, shit.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      ... becomes a lawyer in jail. Gets himself off because they tried him on three strikes-

   4. MKMichael Kosta30:06

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... but they did it for one incident. So they did it incorrectly. And so he gets out of jail.

   6. MKMichael Kosta30:11

      So incarceration educated him-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Yeah.

   8. MKMichael Kosta30:14

      ... to the point where he got himself out.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      But his origins are as a tennis player.

   10. MKMichael Kosta30:17

       As a tennis player.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       He's a tennis player, like a really good tennis player.

   12. MKMichael Kosta30:20

       ... you know, Menéndez brothers, excellent tennis players. Th- one of 'em played at UCLA, I-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Maybe not the best example.

   14. MKMichael Kosta30:26

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       (laughs) One guy's just-

   16. MKMichael Kosta30:27

       Right, right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       I'm talking about a guy from South Central LA who can't read.

   18. MKMichael Kosta30:30

       True, true. Uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       To s- just to say it's not a, necessarily an elite sport.

   20. MKMichael Kosta30:34

       (laughs) An elite sport, that's what you're saying. I-

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       It doesn't have to be. It's just a sport.

   22. MKMichael Kosta30:37

       I agree.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       And all you need is a court. You mean, it seems pretty cheap.

   24. MKMichael Kosta30:40

       On-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       You need a flat surface, a tennis racket, and a ball. Like, let's go.

   26. MKMichael Kosta30:43

       The kids that were beating me when I was a pro played on a dirt court with a rope tied between two sticks.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       (laughs)

   28. MKMichael Kosta30:51

       These, these South American and Russian player, is n- it was not a money sport. It was not a sport of money. It was a sport of movement and com- competition. And because there's no clock, you can have as much time as you want to figure out and beat down your opponent. So, that gets a certain type of athlete. You know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Yeah.

   30. MKMichael Kosta31:11

       I, I, I think it was Jimmy Connors who said, "I didn't lose, I just, I just ran out of time in that match."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      like you got hurt. It's like your legs just shut off.

   2. MKMichael Kosta45:02

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Like, he, he clipped me with a left hook that I didn't see in an exchange. And when you get hit on the jaw, something happens in the jaw, and I don't know what it is with the nerves behind your neck, but it just shuts everything off.

   4. MKMichael Kosta45:16

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      And you're conscious, which is weird. Like, so it was completely conscious-

   6. MKMichael Kosta45:19

      It's like they just disconnected the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      ... but my legs just like disconnected-

   8. MKMichael Kosta45:22

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      ... and went down, but they, they reconnected right away. And I got up, and I was like, "Oh, no, I'm in trouble."

   10. MKMichael Kosta45:26

       Right, right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Like, my, they weren't working good, like everything wasn't working good. And then I got dropped again. He hit me with an uppercut and dropped me, and then the referee stopped the fight. But, uh-

   12. MKMichael Kosta45:33

       Oh, shit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       ... totally conscious the whole time. But the feeling that you get when you get hit real hard is real weird. It's like nothing works right anymore.

   14. MKMichael Kosta45:41

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       And you gotta get on your bike and try to move around and get everything working again.

   16. MKMichael Kosta45:45

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       And it might take 30 seconds before-

   18. MKMichael Kosta45:47

       And it's that 30 seconds when he's also-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Swarming you.

   20. MKMichael Kosta45:48

       ... trained to kill you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Now, in the UFC, it's way more accurate because when you get knocked down, they climb on top of you-

   22. MKMichael Kosta45:55

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       ... and beat your fucking brains in-

   24. MKMichael Kosta45:57

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       ... or strangle you.

   26. MKMichael Kosta45:57

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Which is really what's supposed to happen.

   28. MKMichael Kosta45:59

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       The whole thing-

   30. MKMichael Kosta46:01

       (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:58

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Like you are-

   2. MKMichael Kosta1:00:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      ... fucked. He'll tear your ACL, your MCL, your meniscus. You're gonna go a whole year before you can fight again. You're gonna have to get surgery to reconstruct your knee, and then your knee's never gonna be the same 'cause your meniscus is shot now, and maybe some of your cartilage. So this is him.

   4. MKMichael Kosta1:00:14

      I- I- I don't know. I don't know. Ow! I don't know. I don't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      So this is, this is-

   6. MKMichael Kosta1:00:18

      I don't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      ... a fight that he had against David Avalon. And this is fucked because they stop the motion and they put him back into the same position. And when they put him back into the same position, he- he doesn't let go. So he- he holds onto the heel hook and just wrenches the fucking shit out. Like this right here. Ah! He let go there. He let go there because I think they were, like, chastising him to make sure... Look, look at that.

   8. MKMichael Kosta1:00:40

      Uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

      Look at what he does.

   10. MKMichael Kosta1:00:41

       I don't, I- I- I don't wanna look, bro.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       And look at the build on this guy. Palhares was a fucking specimen.

   12. MKMichael Kosta1:00:46

       And he's trying to turn the knee sideways.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       He's ripping this shit apart right here, man. He's...... pulling it backwards. It's backwards and at a slight angle.

   14. MKMichael Kosta1:00:55

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       I mean, this is horrific. And look at the build on Pajares. Imagine the fucking force-

   16. MKMichael Kosta1:01:00

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       ... the size of this guy's legs, the size of his torso, and perfect technique. And he's just ripping his fucking knee apart. That's a nasty knee bar right there. That was so horrible to watch. But in, uh, in MMA, he wound up getting kicked out of the UFC. Because, uh, I think it was Mike Pierce. See if you can find the Mike Pierce fight. It might not have been Pierce that- one of these fights-

   18. MKMichael Kosta1:01:22

       I, I, I love, I love that the tap...

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       Generally speaking it does.

   20. MKMichael Kosta1:01:26

       Yeah. Of course.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       But in this case, the Mike Pierce one, he's screaming and tapping and Pajares is-

   22. MKMichael Kosta1:01:30

       Terrible.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       ... still ripping it apart.

   24. MKMichael Kosta1:01:31

       I mean, them- my, one of my favorite parts of tennis is how they'll battle for five and a half hours, and then they qu- calmly walk-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       So here it is. Look.

   26. MKMichael Kosta1:01:37

       He's tapping so-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       He's t- watch. So he gets it, he's turn- he's tapping, and he won't let go.

   28. MKMichael Kosta1:01:43

       And he's tr- he won't let-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       He's still, when the referee's on him, he still yanked on it. So those ex-

   30. MKMichael Kosta1:01:47

       Oh.

Episode duration: 2:41:35