Joe Rogan Experience #2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum music)

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Gentlemen.

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin0:13

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Always a pleasure.

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin0:15

      Great to see you, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Great to see you guys, always. What the fuck's happening? Welcome to America.

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin0:19

      Uh, we love being here so much, Joe.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit.

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin0:23

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Every time you visit, I wanna ask you about some new video.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin0:26

       So does yours, brother. Let's be honest. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Oh, yeah. 100%. Guilty as charged. (laughs)

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin0:32

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       This is... I think we're really close to, like, proof that the simulation is real.

   16. KKKonstantin Kisin0:38

       Ge- I t- it's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I think this is-

   18. KKKonstantin Kisin0:40

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       This is why things are so preposterous.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin0:43

       Do you know, I try and argue against that, and then I see what's happening in all our countries, and I'm like, "You know what? Fine. Probably you've (laughs) got a point now."

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah, you know when I really started... Uh, we- we were actually talking about this yesterday. I really started to genuinely consider it, like, like one of those where it, like, snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses, when this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated, and then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that?

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin1:13

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Legitimately, it was the first time in my life where I was like, "There's no way."

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin1:18

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       I was like, "They're fucking with us."

   26. KKKonstantin Kisin1:20

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       They're just fucking with... Something's ha-... That can't be so dead-on. Like, this is like God is a script writer. Like, how was that a real thing, that that's a video-

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin1:31

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       ... where someone's... It's... She didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin1:35

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      also, like, super problematic 'cause he highlights the differences between male psychology and female psychology.

   2. FFFrancis Foster15:04

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      And people wanna deny that that's a thing. It's like, okay, well ... Okay, with respect to trans people, uh, you know, use whatever pronoun you like, change your name, but can we ... Are we allowed to talk about the inherent differences between males and females that we've observed, or are we supposed to ignore-

   4. FFFrancis Foster15:22

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      ... like, data-

   6. FFFrancis Foster15:23

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      ... and statistics-

   8. FFFrancis Foster15:24

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      ... and reality? Like, what are we supposed to do?

   10. FFFrancis Foster15:25

       And our fucking eyes, man. That's the other thing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       And it's also, like, this is his field of study his whole life. Imagine your field of study all of a sudden becomes problematic.

   12. FFFrancis Foster15:31

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Like, "Let's not look into that."

   14. FFFrancis Foster15:33

       Yeah.

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin15:33

       (laughs)

   16. FFFrancis Foster15:34

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:34

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   18. FFFrancis Foster17:21

       (laughs)

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin17:21

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       You're, you're, so you're giving into the dumbest notions. And it's happening in, at scale, and it seems like there's, like, two factions in, in what I would call, like, the American left right now. There's the reasonable people that are like, "Hey, hey, hey, we gotta just stop being fucking crazy."

   21. FFFrancis Foster17:35

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Like, they're the Bill Mahers and a lot of other folks like that. They're like, "We gotta stop being crazy."

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin17:40

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       And just a- appeal to, like, rational people. Don't go all the way over there. Stick where, where most people are.

   25. FFFrancis Foster17:48

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       And then there's people that, "Well, we gotta f- go further left."

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin17:51

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       Then there's people like, "We gotta take over Tesla dealerships. We gotta light cars on fire." W- the left is, like, justifying spraying Nazi swastikas on cars. (laughs) Like, this is crazy.

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin18:02

       Mm-hmm.

   30. FFFrancis Foster18:02

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      all these billions that are just... They're finding millions-

   2. FFFrancis Foster30:02

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      ... all over the... There's, like, billions they've cut. Like, how many fucking billions has Elon cut just from waste?

   4. FFFrancis Foster30:08

      A trillion, he says.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Just waste.

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin30:09

      Yeah. Well-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      It's crazy and people aren't celebrating it. It's weird.

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin30:14

      Well, put it this way, Joe, until relatively recently, if not still, we use faxes in UK government.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Wow. That's crazy.

   10. FFFrancis Foster30:24

       A lot of- I- he-

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin30:25

       I think we got- ye-

   12. FFFrancis Foster30:25

       ... you one better. I think when people retire from... What is it, where they have to retire, where they have to write it down on paper and then it's stored in a, in a vault? In a mine.

   13. NANarrator30:33

       Security, I think.

   14. FFFrancis Foster30:33

       It's so- stored in a mine.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       In, in a mine?

   16. FFFrancis Foster30:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin30:35

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Social Security?

   19. NANarrator30:36

       I think so.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       (laughs) Yeah.

   21. FFFrancis Foster30:38

       Oh, it's on paper?

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       It's in a mine. (laughs)

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin30:41

       (laughs)

   24. FFFrancis Foster30:41

       (laughs)

   25. NANarrator30:41

       (laughs)

   26. FFFrancis Foster30:41

       I love that press conference as well, because it's like Bret Baier from Fox interviewing Elon and, like, seven other aspie guys and they're all just rattling off numbers, "It's 10,000 filing cabinets. 400,000 paper documents." But when you look at it, it basically hasn't changed since the 1950s.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin30:55

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Yeah.

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin30:56

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       I'm distracted by Bret Baier's hair.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      system. They're locked into the system. They're the last people who should be commenting on it, because it's literally what pays you.

   2. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Like, I can't trust you. Like, "You, you, you need more taxes? Is that what you need?"

   4. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:13

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      He'll be like, "Dad!" It's like a cokehead kid of, that's a, that's a kid of a billionaire. "Dad, I need more fucking money."

   6. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:18

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      "Thesefucking business assholes are trying to fuck me and I'm gonna buy them out now." Like, "Okay, son. Here."

   8. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      "We'll cut you a check." Mm-hmm. "Get the fuck out of here." That's what we're like. We're, we're insane. We're completely insane.

   10. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:29

       Hmm. It's also as well, you know, it's because of our electoral system, everybody thinks on the short term. Nobody thinks on the long term.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Right. Right, right, right.

   12. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:37

       And also as well, you're going to like ... You go, you, you go, you talk about more taxes and, you know, that's gonna piss people off but it's not gonna piss as many people as, off as if you fire great swathes of people, particularly those that may vote for you, because we know, for instance with the Dems, that you're more likely to vote for them if you're a bureaucrat, if you work in government and all that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Head injuries.

   14. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)45:58

       (laughs) Yeah. So as a result, you, why are you gonna, why are you gonna piss off the people who are more likely to vote for you? It really, on a logical basis, doesn't really make much sense. But, you know, it sounds like we're slagging off the left, and we are 'cause, 'cause it's necessary.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Yeah.

   16. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:13

       But I can't wait for the left to recover their sanity 'cause they're gonna be super necessary over time. Because when, when people get into power, they do a lot of stuff and th- then eventually that power is corrupting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       100%.

   18. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:24

       And you have to hold power accountable no matter who's got it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       100%. Everybody needs to hear that and shout that from the rooftops 'cause if the left stays crazy, then you lose balance and then the right goes nuttier.

   20. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:38

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       And they go full Christian fundamentalist, like ... They can get, they can get kooky. And this is not a knock on Christians 'cause I think true Christianity is wonderful and beautiful.

   22. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:49

       Agreed.

   23. GSGuest (unspecified – likely reading stats/quote)46:49

       Hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       I think it's, it's a, it's a great way to live your life and I know some incredible Christians. What I'm-

   25. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:53

       Some of the best people.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       I'm talking about human nature-

   27. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:56

       Hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       ... as applied to power.

   29. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)46:58

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       And when people get into power, they want more and more and more. That's why rich people are, never feel like they have enough money. Hmm. It's a crazy part of being a man and it's al- uh, and then some women, but it's a lot of men. A lot of men want that. And it's dangerous.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:52

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   1. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Mm.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:00

      And for a kid, that's heartbreaking. But if you actually show kids, and you go, "Look, you may not be the best at English, maths, history, whatever it is, but I'm gonna teach you how to make something. I'm gonna teach you how to make a table. We're gonna do that. We're gonna make a table. I'm gonna teach you how to be a carpenter. I'm gonna teach you how to redecorate a room. I'm gonna teach you all of these skills." Then kids will be like, "You know what? I am worth something-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      Mm-hmm.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:24

      ... because I can create something of value to people." And that gives self-esteem because when kids join a gang, a lot of them, they haven't ever had a father, they've had nobody really show them any type of, kind of, male approval. And, but if you've got, if you bring 'em in, you teach 'em skills, that would g- build self-esteem, and I guarantee you, for a lot of kids, there wouldn't be that need to go out and seek validation somewhere else.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

      Or there'd be less of that need.

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:51

      Yes.

   8. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:00:51

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Yeah, it would help 'em. It would help give them s- a sense of purpose, like that they really can do something cool. Yeah, and for maybe a win for once in their life. You get a win, you know? Something, like you feel good about accomplishing something.

   10. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:03

       Mm.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:03

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       It means-

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:04

       And that's... Sorry, Joe.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       No, it's huge.

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:05

       I was just gonna, yo, I was gonna say, that's so important for a kid.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Yeah.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:09

       If y- just imagine you, every day of your life, you turned up at school and you lost.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Yeah.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:15

       Just imagine that as an adult.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       Yep.

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:17

       And, but now just im- imagine it as a kid. You've b- you've been conscious for a few years, and you turn up at school, and every day you fail.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       Yeah. Yeah. I've always said this, "If you wanna make America great again, make less losers."

   23. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:33

       Mm.

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:33

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       How do you do that? Well, you help people not become losers.

   26. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:36

       Mm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       Help, help people figure life out from their perspective.

   28. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:39

       Mm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       Whatever you, their unique challenges, help 'em. Help 'em. Invest in that. You would have a greater America, right? You'd have way more people succeeding-

   30. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:47

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 2:56:32