Joe Rogan Experience #2297 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

1. 0:00 – 3:21

   Simulation vibes: viral coincidences, comedians, and “God as a scriptwriter”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum music)

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Gentlemen.

   4. KKKonstantin Kisin0:13

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Always a pleasure.

   6. KKKonstantin Kisin0:15

      Great to see you, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Great to see you guys, always. What the fuck's happening? Welcome to America.

   8. KKKonstantin Kisin0:19

      Uh, we love being here so much, Joe.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit.

   10. KKKonstantin Kisin0:23

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Every time you visit, I wanna ask you about some new video.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin0:26

       So does yours, brother. Let's be honest. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Oh, yeah. 100%. Guilty as charged. (laughs)

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin0:32

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       This is... I think we're really close to, like, proof that the simulation is real.

   16. KKKonstantin Kisin0:38

       Ge- I t- it's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       I think this is-

   18. KKKonstantin Kisin0:40

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       This is why things are so preposterous.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin0:43

       Do you know, I try and argue against that, and then I see what's happening in all our countries, and I'm like, "You know what? Fine. Probably you've (laughs) got a point now."

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah, you know when I really started... Uh, we- we were actually talking about this yesterday. I really started to genuinely consider it, like, like one of those where it, like, snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses, when this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated, and then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that?

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin1:13

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Legitimately, it was the first time in my life where I was like, "There's no way."

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin1:18

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       I was like, "They're fucking with us."

   26. KKKonstantin Kisin1:20

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       They're just fucking with... Something's ha-... That can't be so dead-on. Like, this is like God is a script writer. Like, how was that a real thing, that that's a video-

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin1:31

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       ... where someone's... It's... She didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin1:35

       Yeah.
2. 3:21 – 6:39

   Politics as soap opera: “fake” characters and team sports for adults

   1. KKKonstantin Kisin3:21

      It just seems fake. Uh, there's so much that seems fake. You know, it's like all, uh, the, the news, the, b- d- just the people that are politicians, their, everyone feels like they're p- they're all... Like, who's the Fetterman character? This guy is wearing a hoodie and shorts. That's his, that's the wacky neighbor, you know? And then Jasmine Crockett, she's that loudmouth lady from down the street, and they're like, "Oh, here comes Jasmine." (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:45

      "Shit's gonna get crazy." You know? And Maxine Waters, like, "Oh, she's old, leave her alone, leave her alone."

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin3:50

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      It's like these are fake people.

   5. GSGuest (unspecified – likely reading stats/quote)3:51

      Mm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      Nancy Pelosi, this giant-tittied lady who wants all the money-

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin3:56

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      ... who's been in, been in politics for 150 years. There's pictures of her with Kennedy.

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin4:01

      I didn't realize Nancy Pelosi was well-endowed.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin4:06

       Really?

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Yeah.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin4:07

       You've done the research?

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       Well, there's all these photos where people are calling her... N- what's a GILF? A grandma you'd like to-

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin4:13

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:13

       Yeah.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin4:16

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       (laughs)

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin4:17

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       You've never seen her boobs?

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin4:19

       No, I've never seen-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       No disrespect.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin4:20

       ... Nancy Pelosi's boobs, Joe. (laughs) .

   24. NANarrator4:22

       (laughs)

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin4:22

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       No disrespect, Mrs. Pelosi. I admire her for her stock choices, but-

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin4:27

       Fantastic.

   28. NANarrator4:28

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Those are, those are legit. Those are hammers.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin4:30

       You know, I gotta say, this is a great start to the podcast, and we aren't even stoned.
3. 6:39 – 11:02

   Hooligans, ultras, and why fight sports culture is different

   1. FFFrancis Foster6:39

      I know you find that shocking, Joe, but in England, in Britain, that is, like, run of the mill. Wha-

   2. KKKonstantin Kisin6:44

      (laughs)

   3. FFFrancis Foster6:44

      So in, in the '70s and '80s, each football team, and to some extent now, they had their own, what's called a firm. Which is these hooligans whose only thing... They didn't really give a shit about the f- the football, the soccer. They would get together with the f- supporters of the firms of other teams to have fights in the car park outside the stadium.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:03

      Mm-hmm.

   5. FFFrancis Foster7:03

      And they would travel all around the country doing that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:05

      Yeah.

   7. FFFrancis Foster7:05

      So, it's actually the... I, it's one thing I love about American sports. Like, you can go to the game with your kids and not worry about the stuff that people are gonna be sh- screaming and shouting.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:14

      Yeah.

   9. FFFrancis Foster7:14

      And all that violence. You're a lot more chilled out than we are in Europe about that stuff, believe it or not.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Oh, I do believe it. I do believe it. But any, like, group like that, like soccer, traveling group, you're gonna attract some fucking psychos that hop along. It's like when the Grateful Dead go on tour. Like, I bet they're not specifically asking cult members-

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin7:33

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       ... to recruit with acid in the parking lot.

   13. FFFrancis Foster7:37

       (laughs)

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin7:37

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       But it's for sure it's gonna happen.

   16. FFFrancis Foster7:39

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       For sure. If you're, like, a psycho cult leader and you wanna pick up some people, you're gonna go to a place where everyone's on acid. You're gonna go to a-

   18. KKKonstantin Kisin7:47

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       ... Phish concert and explain to them, you know, "You guys, I know you're in between apartments right now. We have an amazing community and everyone's accepted." And next thing you know, you're in a cult.

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin7:57

       (laughs) Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Next thing you know. Next thing you know. You're doing acid with this fucking weirdo in, you know, he's in the lotus position and you're all pretending that this is normal.

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin8:07

       But you know what's really interesting about soccer, is that that hooligan element, that's not just in the UK. That's right the way through Europe and in South America.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       It's New Zealand too, right?

   24. KKKonstantin Kisin8:16

       Y-

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       Don't they duke it out in New Zealand?

   26. KKKonstantin Kisin8:18

       No, no, no. It's not in New Zealand.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       With, with rugby teams?

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin8:20

       Y- yeah. Rugby's kinda different because f- football with the hooligan element... So in Italian soccer, for example, they have what the hooligans are called the ultras.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Yeah.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin8:29

       And they're so powerful that if the team is playing badly, then what the captain has to do, he then gets t-... In some instances, the ultras have se- have blockaded the stadium, refuse that the players leave, and the, the, the m- the captain is then demanded to go and have a meeting with the head ultra.
4. 11:02 – 13:27

   Online trolling meets real-world consequences: the boxer who “came to find you”

   1. KKKonstantin Kisin11:02

      Did you ever hear the story? I think it was a guy called Curti- I think it was Curtis Woodhouse. It was someone like that. So, it may not have been Curtis, but it was someone of that ilk. Wasn't a heav- well, he was a middleweight champion, but he wasn't European or world, but he was a British middleweight champion, which is still a huge achievement.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:19

      Still huge.

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin11:19

      Huge achievement. Anyway, so this kid was trolling him. This happened about 10 years ago, 10, 12 years ago.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:24

      Oh, boy.

   5. KKKonstantin Kisin11:25

      And this kid was trolling him online and saying all this horrendous stuff. And I th- and the guy just responded. He went, "Right, I've had enough now and I'm coming to find you." And the kid was just like, "Ah, yeah, you're gonna come and find me." And he goes, "Bro, I know you live in Birmingham." And the kid's like, "Yeah, but Birmingham's a bit place." He went, "No, I know people and we will get your address." And then, so he then started posting photos on his Twitter going, "Driving to Birmingham to see you." And then he went, "Oh," and then he took a photo of the sign of his town and went, "I'm coming to see you." And then he took a photo at the bottom of his road and he went, "You best come out 'cause we're gonna be talking." And the kid just went...And just apologized. And he went, "That's cool, bro." And he just went, knocked on his door and had a conversation with him.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:13

      Jesus.

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin12:13

      And he was just like, "Look," and it-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:15

      What, what did ... What was the kid? What did he look like?

   9. KKKonstantin Kisin12:17

      It was just like this little fat kid. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:23

       (laughs)

   11. FFFrancis Foster12:23

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:23

       But we're giving people the power and the tools that they don't deserve. And I don't say th- that, like, that they don't deserve it as human beings. I mean, you're not capable of handling this kind of responsibility, to be able to reach out to a middleweight champion and call him a pussy.

   13. FFFrancis Foster12:41

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       Like, that's a crazy thing to do. And if you're, like, 15 years old and you have this ability, you shouldn't have a license to do that yet.

   15. FFFrancis Foster12:48

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       It's almost like a driver's license.

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin12:50

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       Maybe you should have an internet license.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin12:51

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       No, Billy. You can't post another-

   21. FFFrancis Foster12:54

       (laughs)

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin12:54

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       ... picture of your dick, you fucking psycho. You know, like you can't, you can't just put up permanently things that could ruin your entire life when you're 15. Maybe there should be that. Maybe there should be, like, all kids internet until they're 21. Everything they post i- it disappears in 15 seconds and you can't take a screenshot of it.

   24. FFFrancis Foster13:15

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       You know, like (laughs) people-

   26. KKKonstantin Kisin13:16

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Let them be kids.

   28. FFFrancis Foster13:17

       Yeah.

   29. KKKonstantin Kisin13:18

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       Let them be kids. Don't, like ... Like, people are getting fired for a fucking post they made when they were in high school, where someone digs up some old Facebook-
5. 13:27 – 15:34

   Culture-war reality checks: incels, Netflix ‘Adolescence,’ and sex differences debate

   1. FFFrancis Foster13:27

      Yeah. Well, we interviewed someone. Have you seen Adolescence? This thing that's doing ... Uh, it's supposed to be the most watched thing on Netflix. It's on course.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      I've heard of it, but I, I haven't seen it yet.

   3. FFFrancis Foster13:36

      Yeah, so it's about, uh, spoiler alert, so if you... Don't wanna, uh, just tune out, but it's basically about a 13-year-old kid who, uh, is getting bullied by a girl at school and she calls him an incel or whatever, and he goes and stabs her and kills her.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:50

      Oh, geez.

   5. FFFrancis Foster13:50

      And it- and it's crazy. And it's all about that. And, and we had a big ... We had this guy, an incel expert on to talk about it, a guy who was actually in Austin here.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      Wait a minute. He's an incel expert?

   7. FFFrancis Foster14:00

      Y-

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:00

      Yeah.

   9. FFFrancis Foster14:00

      Not practicing. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       (laughs)

   11. FFFrancis Foster14:02

       (laughs) I understand. I understand.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin14:03

       That's why he came to see us, Joe.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:05

       But just imagine that's your field of choice.

   14. FFFrancis Foster14:07

       Yeah.

   15. KKKonstantin Kisin14:08

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       You, you're, you're like, "You know what?"

   17. KKKonstantin Kisin14:09

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       "I wanna find out what's going on."

   19. FFFrancis Foster14:10

       He researches incels. He actually works with David Buss. Uh, you've had him on the show, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:15

       Yes.

   21. FFFrancis Foster14:15

       Yeah, yeah. We want, we wanted to have him on.

   22. KKKonstantin Kisin14:17

       Right?

   23. FFFrancis Foster14:17

       Yeah, David Buss, evolution psychologist.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       Wait a minute.

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin14:21

       You, you, you did.

   26. FFFrancis Foster14:21

       You have had him on.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin14:22

       You, you ... 'Cause I listened to the episode, Joe, you-

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       This is how confusing it is to have 2,500 episodes.

   29. FFFrancis Foster14:27

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin14:28

       Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
6. 15:34 – 17:08

   Ad break: VPNs and post-quantum encryption

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:34

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7. 17:08 – 26:22

   Democrats, radicals, and “poisoning the brand”: protest violence and media incentives

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:08

      And if you're watching on YouTube, you can get your four free months by scanning the QR code on screen or by clicking the link in the description.... water's racist. Like, it's just-

   2. FFFrancis Foster17:21

      (laughs)

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin17:21

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:21

      You're, you're, so you're giving into the dumbest notions. And it's happening in, at scale, and it seems like there's, like, two factions in, in what I would call, like, the American left right now. There's the reasonable people that are like, "Hey, hey, hey, we gotta just stop being fucking crazy."

   5. FFFrancis Foster17:35

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:35

      Like, they're the Bill Mahers and a lot of other folks like that. They're like, "We gotta stop being crazy."

   7. KKKonstantin Kisin17:40

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:40

      And just a- appeal to, like, rational people. Don't go all the way over there. Stick where, where most people are.

   9. FFFrancis Foster17:48

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:49

       And then there's people that, "Well, we gotta f- go further left."

   11. KKKonstantin Kisin17:51

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       Then there's people like, "We gotta take over Tesla dealerships. We gotta light cars on fire." W- the left is, like, justifying spraying Nazi swastikas on cars. (laughs) Like, this is crazy.

   13. KKKonstantin Kisin18:02

       Mm-hmm.

   14. FFFrancis Foster18:02

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       They've gone so far over this. So there's one side that's just, like, radicalized in the worst way possible that's a huge detriment to the Democratic Party.

   16. FFFrancis Foster18:12

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       Because it, it makes everyone look like a psycho. If you have a psycho in your groups, like, if you have, like, a white nationalist, you know, Christian fundamentalist burning down Black churches in your... And he says, "I'm a part of the right, and is a right-wing conservative Amer-" Like, whoa.

   18. FFFrancis Foster18:27

       Hm.

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin18:27

       Hm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       That guy poisoned the right. These people are poisoning the left.

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin18:30

       Totally.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       All the people that don't want trans kids competing with their kids in school, and they don't want gender ideology being taught in class, all those people who are just rational, normal liberals-

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin18:39

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       ... that have voted Democrat their whole life, they're like, "What the fuck? What are you doing? Why are you letting guys into the women's room?"

   25. FFFrancis Foster18:45

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       "This is crazy, a guy with a beard and a dress is in the women's room. This is bananas."

   27. FFFrancis Foster18:50

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       "Like, what are you doing in the name of compassion?"

   29. FFFrancis Foster18:52

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       "Like, this is fucking insane." That, they have to figure that puzzle out.
8. 26:22 – 33:16

   Government competence vs. conspiracy: Signal leak, “paperwork in a mine,” and waste audits

   1. FFFrancis Foster26:22

      And it's very tribal. And you see it now as well, you know, now that the right is in political power. L- a lot of the people who kinda made their bones challenging the excesses of the left, they're afraid to say anything about the right as well, even though there's things to say. Like, I don't know if you followed the Signal, uh, g- group thing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:37

      Yeah, I did. I don't know enough about it, but, uh, it does seem like there's people that suspected it was a setup, that that guy was added to the chat on purpose.

   3. FFFrancis Foster26:46

      Well, I think Mike-

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:47

      Is that- is that true?

   5. FFFrancis Foster26:48

      I don't think so. I think, uh, the guy who added him has basically said, like, "It was- it was m- our mistake," and the White House-

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:54

      So it was just a mistake?

   7. FFFrancis Foster26:56

      I- I don't think the investigation has been done to say definitively, but I think the White House said, "We're looking into this." But Tulsi, I think, said it was a mistake. I think Mike Walt said it was a mistake.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:05

      That's such a crazy mistake.

   9. FFFrancis Foster27:07

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:07

       That's such a checks and balances mistake, like, double check.

   11. FFFrancis Foster27:10

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       It's like, you know when you go on the road-

   13. FFFrancis Foster27:13

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       ... like, "Do I have my toothbrush?"

   15. FFFrancis Foster27:14

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       "Do I have my underwear?" You know what I mean?

   17. FFFrancis Foster27:15

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       Like, I even make a note on my phone now. I'm like, "I'm too stupid. I keep... I always forget something." I was like, "Fuck, my- my this."

   19. KKKonstantin Kisin27:21

       You know, it's kind of like adding your ex-girlfriend to the boys' WhatsApp group. (laughs)

   20. FFFrancis Foster27:28

       (laughs)

   21. KKKonstantin Kisin27:28

       (laughs)

   22. FFFrancis Foster27:28

       Some of the memes have been incredible.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin27:30

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:30

       That's exactly what it's like. Dude, that's so good.

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin27:33

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:33

       That's so good. That's exactly what it's like.

   27. KKKonstantin Kisin27:35

       Mm-hmm.

   28. FFFrancis Foster27:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       That's so- that's such a perfect analogy. Like, "You fucking idiot." They're all on the phone afterwards, "What the fuck, bro?"

   30. KKKonstantin Kisin27:42

       (laughs)
9. 33:16 – 58:47

   Debt, austerity, and what cuts really hit: protecting the vulnerable while trimming waste

   1. FFFrancis Foster33:16

      And the question is f- what I don't understand is, look, I think it's very possible that when you move quickly, you're gonna cancel some things that you might not wanna cancel, things are not gonna go perfectly every time, whatever. But ultimately, the question all Western countries have to answer is we're running debt at more than 100% of GDP, right? What are we gonna do about that? We have to deal with it somehow.

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:37

      What's this we shit?

   3. KKKonstantin Kisin33:38

      (laughs)

   4. FFFrancis Foster33:38

      You, you are actually... Bro, you're worse than we are.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:41

      Are we? Really?

   6. FFFrancis Foster33:42

      Yeah. You're 126%, we're about 110.

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:45

      God damn. Really?

   8. FFFrancis Foster33:46

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:47

      Wow.

   10. FFFrancis Foster33:47

       Yeah, that's why you're trying to deal with it. That's what Elon is trying to do, he's trying to cut the deficit in half. And then the idea is you grow the economy and you actually get back to surplus.

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       When he keeps finding all of these companies that are getting, like, a billion here and two billion there and all... Like the Stacey Abrams one where they're gonna give energy efficient appliances to poor people.

   12. KKKonstantin Kisin34:08

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       $2 billion.

   14. KKKonstantin Kisin34:11

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:11

       It's like, what did you do? Like, what did you do? Like, there's a bunch of those. Like, what did you do?

   16. FFFrancis Foster34:15

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       Like the high-speed internet one.

   18. FFFrancis Foster34:16

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       What did you do? How come you got billions of dollars and fucking nothing happened? Imagine if you were a private company and you had a segment. Like, imagine we were all a company and, uh, we're like, "Francis, I think you should be in charge of, uh, figuring out how to do this with the phone." And be like-

   20. KKKonstantin Kisin34:35

       I'd be like, "We've already fucked each other up." (laughs)

   21. FFFrancis Foster34:36

       Trust me, I run a business with this guy. That's a bad idea.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       I'm giving you, I'm giving you $4 billion to get this done.

   23. KKKonstantin Kisin34:42

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:42

       And then I never talk to you again. I never (laughs) check in. I don't say, I don't go, "Hey, where's the fucking money being spent?"

   25. KKKonstantin Kisin34:49

       Mm-hmm.

   26. FFFrancis Foster34:49

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       "What are you doing, man? How come the phone can't do this yet?" I don't, I don't ask for any progress reports. You just keep getting money. (laughs)

   28. KKKonstantin Kisin34:56

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       This is bananas. It's just like-

   30. FFFrancis Foster34:57

       It's crazy.
10. 58:47 – 1:02:04

    From school failure to purpose: trades, discipline, and ‘make less losers’

    1. KKKonstantin Kisin58:47

       Yeah. I've got a friend of mine, um, a guy called Sam Clark, and he's doing wonderful things in the UK in primary school that he's teaching stoicism to kids in primary school.

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:58

       They're probably gonna arrest him.

    3. KKKonstantin Kisin58:59

       (laughs)

    4. FFFrancis Foster58:59

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:00

       Any day now, they'll come cracking down on him for being a toxic masculinist.

    6. KKKonstantin Kisin59:04

       Yeah.

    7. FFFrancis Foster59:04

       Oh, bro, we just brought... Uh, we banned, uh, katana knives now, so we're safe.

    8. KKKonstantin Kisin59:08

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan59:08

       Well, not only that, they said it in what I would say is, uh-... at least racially insensitive. They called it a ninja sword. It's not a ninja sword, you fucking idiots.

    10. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)59:20

        (laughs)

    11. KKKonstantin Kisin59:21

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:21

        It's a samurai sword, it's a katana. The ninjas used it when they killed people, but you can't call it a ninja sword.

    13. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)59:27

        (laughs)

    14. KKKonstantin Kisin59:28

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:28

        You fucking dorks. It has a Japanese name. Call it what it's ca- uh, like there's no thing that's technically called a ninja sword, right Jamie? It's a katana, right? There's like two different sizes. There's a smaller one, and then there's a larger one. One's a katana, and I forget what the other one's called.

    16. KKKonstantin Kisin59:44

        Y- you know what I, I really do think a way out of this is because a lot of kids, if you're not talented at sports, if you're not musically or artistically gifted, and if you're not academically brilliant, if you're just one of the regular kids, you'll go, "I'm not good at ever- anything."

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

        Mm.

    18. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:00

        And for a kid, that's heartbreaking. But if you actually show kids, and you go, "Look, you may not be the best at English, maths, history, whatever it is, but I'm gonna teach you how to make something. I'm gonna teach you how to make a table. We're gonna do that. We're gonna make a table. I'm gonna teach you how to be a carpenter. I'm gonna teach you how to redecorate a room. I'm gonna teach you all of these skills." Then kids will be like, "You know what? I am worth something-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

        Mm-hmm.

    20. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:24

        ... because I can create something of value to people." And that gives self-esteem because when kids join a gang, a lot of them, they haven't ever had a father, they've had nobody really show them any type of, kind of, male approval. And, but if you've got, if you bring 'em in, you teach 'em skills, that would g- build self-esteem, and I guarantee you, for a lot of kids, there wouldn't be that need to go out and seek validation somewhere else.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

        Or there'd be less of that need.

    22. KKKonstantin Kisin1:00:51

        Yes.

    23. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:00:51

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

        Yeah, it would help 'em. It would help give them s- a sense of purpose, like that they really can do something cool. Yeah, and for maybe a win for once in their life. You get a win, you know? Something, like you feel good about accomplishing something.

    25. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:01:03

        Mm.

    26. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:03

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

        It means-

    28. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:04

        And that's... Sorry, Joe.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

        No, it's huge.

    30. KKKonstantin Kisin1:01:05

        I was just gonna, yo, I was gonna say, that's so important for a kid.
11. 1:02:04 – 1:34:29

    AI fear spiral: robot cops, sentient behavior, and privacy/power after 9/11

    1. KKKonstantin Kisin1:02:04

       Mm.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       Jesus Christ. You know, there's more people that can do things that maybe robots can't do. And you better be ready because a- all the simple, goofy jobs that you thought would always be there for you, the union dock worker jobs, like those, n- not that that's simple and goofy, but how about this? Stocking supermarket shelves.

    3. KKKonstantin Kisin1:02:25

       Mm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       Guess what? A robot can do it better, and it's never gonna drop the tomato sauce.

    5. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:02:29

       (laughs)

    6. KKKonstantin Kisin1:02:29

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

       You know, (laughs) it's like, "We don't need you anymore." Those, so those jobs are gone.

    8. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:02:33

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       All the drivers.

    10. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:02:34

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

        All those dudes listening to this podcast driving 16-hour fucking trips across the country, drinking Mountain Dew and smelling their own farts, you guys, it's, they're coming.

    12. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:02:45

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:45

        They're coming for you.

    14. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:02:46

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

        These fucking automation machines are, uh, they're gonna be perfect. They're gonna be able to drive down the highways. They're never gonna get in accidents. It's gonna be nuts. And they're gonna come soon. It's like we have 20 years, maybe, before everything's automated.

    16. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:02

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:02

        20 years, maybe. They have lifelike human beings now that are moving like human beings.

    18. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:06

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:07

        Have you seen the m- the most latest, uh, videos?

    20. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:10

        I don't know if I've seen the latest.

    21. KKKonstantin Kisin1:03:11

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

        The articulation of these things, it's like a fucking person. They're coming. (laughs) They're com ... It's iRobot. They're making 'em, and we're just cheering along the way, "Yeah." (claps)

    23. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:21

        (laughs)

    24. KKKonstantin Kisin1:03:21

        (claps)

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:21

        They're gonna be cops. That's gonna be your cops. They're not gonna be racist. They're gonna l- listen to the state. It's fucking RoboCop for reals. It's coming, 100%. "Why? W- you can't hire any cops." Nobody wants to be a cop anymore. "We can't hire cops." Well, we have a solution.

    26. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:38

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

        San Francisco tried to do it. They rolled out some little robot that would follow you around. Remember that one? Do you e- ever see it? Yeah, San Francisco had it. They had this little r- police robot. I- it's more for fun than anything else, but I bet he said, "Please stay away from the dock," or whatever.

    28. KKKonstantin Kisin1:03:53

        (laughs)

    29. GGGuest (short interjection – one of the two main guests)1:03:53

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

        (laughs) You know, whatever the robot... It couldn't shoot you.

Episode duration: 2:56:32