Joe Rogan Experience #2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

Kyle Dunnigan 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:12 (upbeat music plays) Doo doo doo doo.

Joe Rogan 0:14 (inhales deeply)

Kyle Dunnigan 0:14 Doo doo doo doo, doo doo.

Joe Rogan 0:15 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 0:15 Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Doo doo doo. You know who wrote that? No.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:19 Pop quiz.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Who?

Kyle Dunnigan 0:21 Very famous person wrote it. ♫ Bum bum ba na. ♫

Joe Rogan 0:23 What is that from? What, what show is that from?

Kyle Dunnigan 0:26 70s.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:29 Begins with an S.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Da da da. Sanford and Son.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Who wrote it?

Kyle Dunnigan 0:33 And ... You're not gonna believe it. Quincy Jones.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Really?

Kyle Dunnigan 0:36 Yes. And it's, if you hear the whole song, it's a really good song.

Joe Rogan 0:40 I used to love that show.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:42 I-

Joe Rogan 0:42 Sanford and Son was fucking great.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:44 It was funny.

Joe Rogan 0:44 It was funny, ridiculous. Redd Foxx was the man.

Kyle Dunnigan 0:47 He was so funny on that. I actually didn't like that theme song. Here we go. When I first heard it. (instrumental music plays) ♫ Wa wa pa pa ow. ♫

Joe Rogan 0:58 That was back when sitcoms were sitcoms.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00 Oh. That one was like way, I felt like way better. Like Three's Company sucks if you watch that now.

Joe Rogan 1:07 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:07 But that was like the number one sitcom.

Joe Rogan 1:08 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:08 Sanford and Son's still good.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Yeah. You know what's underrated that I really never gave a chance?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:14 Wait, I wanna guess.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Big Bang Theory.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:15 Oh fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:15 Fuck, I fucked it up, sorry. That was right outta my mouth.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:17 I would've said Big Bang Theory.

Joe Rogan 1:19 It's a good show. I used to shit on it 'cause I saw clips with, uh, you know how you do retakes?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:24 (laughs) Where they're not laughing?

Joe Rogan 1:25 No laughs?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:26 But that's, you know what that is? That's like retakes. Um, when you work on a sitcom, sometimes you have to do pickups. And-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:32 Yeah, I actually don't know, but yes.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Oh, you do pickups and-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:37 ... nobody knows anymore.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:38 Retakes.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Nobody does it anymore.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Miss Pat is, like, the only person I know with a sitcom.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:43 I, yeah, I couldn't name one-

Joe Rogan 1:44 Isn't that crazy?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:44 ... sitcom.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Think about all the comics we know. I know one comic with a sitcom, Miss Pat, and it's, uh, on a streaming. It's on, um, BET.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:52 Yeah, and that was everything. Like when we, when I-

Joe Rogan 1:54 It was everything.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:55 ... was first starting, like, your whole thing was, like, you have to get a sitcom or you don't have any money.

Joe Rogan 2:00 Yeah, well, or you're never gonna have a career.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Because you needed, there was no way to get people to come see you in the clubs unless you had a special or unless you had a sitcom.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:10 Yeah. And I remember Zach Galifianakis, like it was pilot season. Remember that whole thing?

Joe Rogan 2:14 Oh, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:15 That was huge. Like, "Pilot season's coming up."

Joe Rogan 2:17 Oh, yeah. Everybody would be in town for pilot season.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20 And everybody'd be, like, a special kinda anxious. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 2:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24 'Cause your whole fucking career-

Kyle Dunnigan 2:26 I n- yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:26 ... was l- l- laying on this moment where you walked into this room and there was these weirdos, these casting people. There were always really socially bizarre people.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:37 And, like, tired and mad they've seen some people. And it's a, always a tiny room.

Joe Rogan 2:41 And dismissive. And you, they are the kings and you are a peasant begging for a bowl of soup.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:46 You're a piece of shit. Yeah. (laughs) And when you walk in, they know they don't want you. Like-

Joe Rogan 2:49 They also know you're broke.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:50 Yeah, and you have that-

Joe Rogan 2:52 Desperate.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:52 ... that desperate energy.

Joe Rogan 2:53 You want them-

Kyle Dunnigan 2:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 You want them to like you.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Hi. Hi, guys. Want, want you to like me. Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 2:58 Off-putting is what it is.

Joe Rogan 3:00 Oh. Death.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:01 I didn't get any, I never got a sitcom. I, I auditioned probably for 1000. I, I don't know why someone didn't say, "This isn't, you're not good at this."

Joe Rogan 3:08 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 3:08 No one told me, "You're good."

Joe Rogan 3:08 You could've been on Big Bang Theory, ironically.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:10 I could've been.

Joe Rogan 3:11 You would've been a fucking major get for them.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:13 I would've been a huge get for them.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Show, show would've been a lot better.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:17 I had, um, actually I did get one of them.

Joe Rogan 3:19 Which one?

Kyle Dunnigan 3:19 Now this is the story. Let me tell you this story.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Okay.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:21 Um, so, uh, I go in. And you know, you get, like, a callback, okay?

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:26 First the casting director and then you're like, "Please like me." Then you're like called back and you're like, "Oh, they liked me." Second callback. Now you're getting, like, real nervous. Like, "Am I gonna..." It was the show Happy Family. You ever hear of that?

Joe Rogan 3:36 No.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:37 That little nugget? Uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:39 What year are we talking about?

Kyle Dunnigan 3:40 2003.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:42 Long time ago. That guy, uh, Larroquette was on it.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Oh, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 3:46 I remember him saying he was, I have no idea what, he's dropping on the set. And he goes, "My friend Don told me, um, that, uh, on my gravestone it should say, uh, 'It's not a great plot but Larroquette's in it.'" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:58 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 3:59 He told that funny joke and I was like-

Joe Rogan 4:00 Oh, boy.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:01 So-

Joe Rogan 4:01 He was, uh, the John Larroquette Show was on the same lot, uh, as, uh, I was when I was filming News Radio. And, uh, Lenny Clarke, who's a good friend of mine forever-

Kyle Dunnigan 4:12 Yeah, I remember.

Joe Rogan 4:12 ... Lenny was on that show.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:14 And, you know, I'd run into Lenny in the parking lot and we'd talk. But we would watch their feed where John Larroquette would, like, yell at people. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 4:21 (laughs) Yeah, that's you. The feed is always, they forget there's a feed.

Joe Rogan 4:25 Yeah, people were screaming about ... But no one had a cell phone back then. You know, we're talking in the 90s, so this is probably '94 or something like that.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:33 And it was a bizarre scene, man. I, I'd never adjusted to being on television. Never did.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:39 That's a good gig, though. I mean, shit, that was like-

Joe Rogan 4:42 Yeah, but I couldn't wait to not do it anymore once I did it.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:45 Really?

Joe Rogan 4:45 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:46 When-

Joe Rogan 4:46 And I had the best version of it. I had the best version of it. Hilarious cast, brilliant writers.

Kyle Dunnigan 4:52 What was bad?

Joe Rogan 4:52 The stress of it. It was just, like, I just wanted to do standup. You know, it was just-

Kyle Dunnigan 4:57 You get to, 'cause you're getting a little famous. And then you have eight lines.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:01 And you just get to go do whatever you want and they're like blah, blah, blah, and then-

Joe Rogan 5:04 Listen-

Kyle Dunnigan 5:04 ... check.

Joe Rogan 5:04 ... as far as sh- that was also the problem was I knew I was never gonna get another sitcom, like News Radio. The other sitcoms that I read for were uh.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:12 They were fucking garbage.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:13 After that, did they want you to do some- something after News Radio?

Joe Rogan 5:16 Yeah, there was a few opportunities. I had a couple of development deals to do stuff. But then when Fear Factor came on, my first thought was like, "Yes, no actors."

Kyle Dunnigan 5:26 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 5:27 Yeah. I didn't have to deal with, like, the whole thing. Like the whole thing of the schmoozing and the, you know, going to these award things-

Kyle Dunnigan 5:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:35 ... and these parties and these press junkets that you had to do. It's like-

Kyle Dunnigan 5:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:40 I didn't like it.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:41 It just felt ... I don't know.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:44 I do-

Joe Rogan 5:44 It was just weird. You know, I never auditioned for anything. Like, uh, I auditioned for a couple commercials in New York-

Kyle Dunnigan 5:50 How'd you get in News Radio?

Joe Rogan 5:51 It, it, I aud- auditioned for two shows ever. Hardball-

Kyle Dunnigan 5:54 We're gonna get back to my Larroquette story. Don't think we forgot.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Oh, go. Go to your Larroquette story.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:57 No, no, I wanna hear this. I'm just-

Joe Rogan 5:59 Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 5:59 I wanna say it out loud 'cause I, I set up a story and then I didn't finish it.

Joe Rogan 6:02 So I got this show when I was living in New York. It was called Hardball. And I came out here to LA.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:07 Oh, wait a minute.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah, it was a baseball show.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:10 I, I remember-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Jim Brewer was in the pilot with me.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:13 I, I saw like-

Joe Rogan 6:14 Mike Starr from Goodfellas was in it.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:16 I don't know that guy.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Uh, Bruce Greenwood, who was in Star Trek. He's been in everything. He's a great actor. He was in it. He was, like, the older pitcher that was, like, my nemesis.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:26 Dude-

Joe Rogan 6:26 Terrible show. Terrible show. Like, so bad.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:29 I think I- I think I saw, like, a, like a-

Joe Rogan 6:30 So bad.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:31 ... the intro of it or something. I remember Hardball, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:34 Yeah, it lasted six episodes. And then, the other show that I got was Newsradio, and it was the o- only other show I auditioned for.

Kyle Dunnigan 6:40 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 6:40 It was just to- so, I'm so ... Everything else I auditioned for was, like, movies and stuff that I never got. And there was a couple of shows after Newsradio was over that I auditioned for that I didn't get. But it was just, like, the ... It, it was so bizarre. So, when I would go to these auditions for other things, it wasn't that big a deal, 'cause I was alre- already on Newsradio. So, it wasn't ... Like, if I didn't get these things, it was like, it, it would be okay.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:02 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 7:02 But it was, like, still the anxiety of that. Like, I had money, and it was still like, "Oh, this is awful." Like, this whole thing is so stressful and so weird. And everybody's so fucked up, because you get a bunch of people that desperately want attention.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:15 And then you go there, to this place where you're surrounded by people who are desperate and want attention in, in Hollywood-

Kyle Dunnigan 7:21 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 ... and then, you're ... You have this one moment in front of these people, and they're looking at you like this, "Okay, Kyle."

Kyle Dunnigan 7:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:28 Um ...

Kyle Dunnigan 7:28 Hi.

Joe Rogan 7:29 So, you're reading for Bobby.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:30 Correct?

Kyle Dunnigan 7:31 I love the script. It's so funny.

Joe Rogan 7:32 You know, Bobby's an athlete.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Did they ...

Kyle Dunnigan 7:35 No, I can do all the thing ... Whatever you say-

Joe Rogan 7:37 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:37 ... I can do it. I'm good at it.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Right. Okay. Um, Tim here's gonna read f- with you. And Tim, like, could barely read. It's always like some PA-

Kyle Dunnigan 7:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:44 ... who's fucking ... He's probably on ketamine.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Can barely read. And you have to, like, pretend like you're having this e- emotive moment with Tim.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:52 I'm so glad I don't have to do that.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Ugh. It was the worst.

Kyle Dunnigan 7:55 But-

Joe Rogan 7:55 But some people love it. Some people ... Look, man, we're comics. Some people are actors. They fucking love it. Like McConaughey, that fucking dude loves, like, pouring himself into a role, get- getting psychotic about who the character is.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:09 That's ... I wish I had ... If I could go back, I wish I had looked at those as, like, uh ... I have someone said this. That it was, like, an opportunity to perform, instead of, like, I'm trying to get something.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:18 I didn't ... I was just desperate. Like, I had no money, and I was like-

Joe Rogan 8:20 I-

Kyle Dunnigan 8:20 ... "I have to get this."

Joe Rogan 8:21 I will say, though, if you're on a sitcom that has really good writing, it's fun as shit. Newsradio was fun.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:26 How'd you ... You said you just got it. How'd you just (overlapping)

Joe Rogan 8:28 Just, I had a development-

Kyle Dunnigan 8:30 ... audition for it?

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... deal within NBC.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:30 Oh, those are the best.

Joe Rogan 8:30 And they were gonna do ... I was gonna do my own show, but they had a, a sitcom that they already green-lit, and R- uh, Ray Romano was on it. And Ray was, like, the maintenance guy. And Ray got fired during the pilot, which is like the best thing that ever happened to him.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:46 It's devastating for Raymond.

Joe Rogan 8:46 He goes on to do the Ray world- Everybody Loves Raymond, and it's fucking huge. Bigger than Newsradio ever was. So like, he, he gets fired. And another guy got hired, and then he got fired. So, I didn't feel bad, 'cause I'm friends with Ray. I love Ray.

Kyle Dunnigan 8:59 D- there's ... I bet you that part just was not good. It wasn't the actor's fault, 'cause you audition and then, uh ...

Joe Rogan 9:05 I don't know what it was. It's like, you never know what they want. Like, when Paul, the guy who created it, Paul Simms, is this brilliant guy who worked on, uh, um, fucking Larry ... HBO. Um ...

Narrator 9:20 Jimmy?

Kyle Dunnigan 9:20 Larry Sanders.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Larry Sanders, thank you. He worked on Larry Sanders. He was a brilliant, brilliant guy. And he did a very clever thing, like in the, um, the auditions.

Kyle Dunnigan 9:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:28 The first audition I read for, it wasn't funny. Like, on purpose. They wanted to cut out all the people who were hamming it up.

Kyle Dunnigan 9:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:36 I was like, "Oh my God, this writing is nothing." So, I'm like, "I don't know what this is." So, like, you know, they ... NBC asked me to go in and read for it. I've-

Kyle Dunnigan 9:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:43 ... I've memorized this stuff, and I was like, "I don't even know what I'm saying. This doesn't make sense."

Kyle Dunnigan 9:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:46 So, I go in and I do it. It's, like, real flat. And I say, "Thank you," and all of a sudden, I have a callback. And then they send me the callback sheets, and it's hilarious.

Kyle Dunnigan 9:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 9:54 And I was like, "Oh, whoa."

Kyle Dunnigan 9:56 In order to see if you could turn something not funny not funny.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Because that was a thing that everybody hated, was the hammy, hammy sitcom actor.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Come on, Bobby.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 What are you doing? (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 10:05 You're, you're good at that. That's really good.

Joe Rogan 10:07 They were ... I've, I've seen a lot of those guys. So, they wanted to avoid that. And so-

Kyle Dunnigan 10:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:11 ... then, you know, they, they had a callback, and it was just, like, me and two other guys. And these two other guys looked like they just got back from Vietnam. They were sweating. They were fucking pale in the face. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 10:21 That makes you confident, right?

Joe Rogan 10:22 They looked s-

Kyle Dunnigan 10:22 When you see someone nervous-

Joe Rogan 10:23 ... super confident.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:23 You're like, "Okay." (overlapping)

Joe Rogan 10:24 Super confident.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:25 Got this.

Joe Rogan 10:25 I looked at these guys, I'm like, "Oh, they can't handle pressure."

Kyle Dunnigan 10:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:28 And then I, and then I sat back in the couch and put my feet up on the coffee table like a dickhead.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:32 Yeah. You did?

Joe Rogan 10:32 And I sat there. Yeah. While I was waiting.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:34 While we were in the waiting room-

Kyle Dunnigan 10:35 Oh, I thought you meant in the room.

Joe Rogan 10:37 I was looking at these guys. I was looking at these guys-

Kyle Dunnigan 10:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 ... panicking, and I was like-

Kyle Dunnigan 10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:39 That was just ... Just us?

Kyle Dunnigan 10:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:41 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 10:41 I got this. I had a, I had to do, like, a, a sketch show, one of the rarer things I got. And the guy ... I was so out of my mind nervous, and I could hear in the door, this guy not doing good, panicking.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Ooh.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:52 And I just got calm, and I was like, "I got this."

Joe Rogan 10:53 Isn't that nice?

Kyle Dunnigan 10:54 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 Ah, so good.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:55 Then the show got canceled.

Joe Rogan 10:56 When it's so embalmed. Well, they all get canceled. Yeah, that was the thing.

Kyle Dunnigan 10:58 Like, 90% of them don't. Maybe even more, right? Don't even make it.

Joe Rogan 11:01 N- most of them never make it to a second season, and definitely most of them never make it to syndication. They, you know ... They go a few episodes, and then they get canned. Like, if the prod-

Kyle Dunnigan 11:10 I was on ... Oh, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 11:12 No, I'm just saying, if the production company's not making money, the network's not making money, it's not getting ratings.

Kyle Dunnigan 11:16 I was in a situation. It was, um, um, Cedric the Entertainer Presents. It was a sketch show, and it was like, I was so excited.

Joe Rogan 11:21 I remember that.

Kyle Dunnigan 11:21 Yeah. I got ... I joined midseason. They, they, uh-

Joe Rogan 11:23 What year is this? 2000-

Kyle Dunnigan 11:25 2003.

Joe Rogan 11:26 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 11:26 And I, uh ... Big year for me.

Joe Rogan 11:28 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 11:28 Um, so I, uh ... I get there midseason. They're like, "We need a white guy to, like, pick on." Yeah, I was-

Joe Rogan 11:33 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 11:33 I was the token white guy. And, um, Louis C.K. was a writer. It was, like, a great fricking show. And this ... He got into, like, a fight with the fox. Here's where I knew things were downhill. Now, I didn't sell my car. I had a really ... And I'd pull up to, like, the good spots, and it was like, Lamborghini, you know, all that.

Joe Rogan 11:53 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 11:53 And then ... And I ... It wasn't just a shitty car from, like, the early '80s. It was like, beat ... I had gotten in, like, four accidents. It was just a chunk. And I just was like ... And it ... So broke in a tiny apartment. I'm like, "Let me just see if I can ..." But it seemed like this was a hit show. It was doing well.... okay?

Joe Rogan 12:11 Oh, no.

Kyle Dunnigan 12:11 So then it's like first thing, first sign it was like, "Hey, there's a fox party tomorrow." And I was like, "Oh, cool. I'm, I made it in Hollywood." So I go to this thing and I'm like, "Where's Cedric?" And they're like, "Oh, he got into a big fight with the pet of fox. He told me, he was, he was a douchebag." Some, some fight. And I'm like, "That doesn't sound like a good idea."

Joe Rogan 12:27 Oh. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 12:31 (laughs) To get...

Joe Rogan 12:32 Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 12:32 So I'm like, "It'll be fine." So then this is, we were about to go on right after American Idol, which was like the biggest show-

Joe Rogan 12:40 Ooh.

Kyle Dunnigan 12:40 ... in the world.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Ooh.

Kyle Dunnigan 12:41 So we're like, "Get ready for the rocket ship." And then this guy put Wanda Sykes show, took Cedric off the air for like six weeks to put Wanda Sykes. Not, they're not off the air, but like m- yeah, took, moved it the spot. So Wanda's show was after and then Wanda's got amazing, um, you know views, so it, it gave them excuse to cancel Cedric even though it, Cedric was a hit. It was like a F you.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Cedric seems like a nice guy.

Kyle Dunnigan 13:05 Yeah, he was very cool, nice to me.

Joe Rogan 13:07 So how, what happened that-

Kyle Dunnigan 13:09 He did get on the phone during my audition though at one point. I was in the middle of auditioning and he was like... Yeah. And it was kind of a casual call. It was clearly like not a emergency.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Mm.

Kyle Dunnigan 13:20 And I just like powered through. But he was very cool, a good guy, but...

Joe Rogan 13:23 There's a different like culture of stardom versus people that want to be on a show. Like you, you're not the equal.

Kyle Dunnigan 13:34 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 13:34 Like if you're auditioning for a show and the, the guy who has the show-

Kyle Dunnigan 13:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 13:38 ... is in the room.

Kyle Dunnigan 13:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 There's this weird, you know. What is that number one on the call sheet? There's a-

Kyle Dunnigan 13:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:44 ... documentary about, uh, Black actors.

Kyle Dunnigan 13:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:47 It's not, not Black actors. It's just actors period, in general. Like I experienced that a lot in the news radio days with guys who were big movie stars and they would like big time you in the, the weirdest way. Like you couldn't just say hi to them, you couldn't hang out with them. There's a few guys that just like-

Kyle Dunnigan 14:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:04 They were just really gross. And then there was guys like John Ritter who was like the fucking nicest guy in the world to everybody.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:10 Right. You only hear good stories-

Joe Rogan 14:11 The nicest guy in the world.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:12 ... about John Ritter.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Nicest guy in the world. Camera people, joking around with the makeup lady, fun.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:17 Heart attack, right.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Died. Young man.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Fucking young, before the vaccine. Young. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 14:24 No, he took it. He was the first guy to take it.

Joe Rogan 14:26 He was such a sweetheart on the set. Such a nice guy.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:30 Yeah, he was really nice. I had, um, that, that Cedric show was also... I had like an episode where it was like my episode, you know? Where it was like I had like three sketches I wrote that I was gonna be, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:39 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Dunnigan 14:39 It was my big coming out. And I literally came out, right? And everyone was like, "What's going on you guys?"

Joe Rogan 14:44 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 14:44 And shock and awe started. Remember when I... the Iraq War? And it just was gone. And I told everybody like, "Uh, it's my big show." And it just... That happened and then the wa... and then it just was o- over. And I was back to... I never sold my car. I was back to my studio apartment.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Couldn't you think that studio executives would be wise enough to go, "Look, we got Louis C.K., we have Cedric the Entertainer, we have a fucking show. Let's figure out a way to promote this correctly."

Kyle Dunnigan 15:09 And it was funny. It was just... And it's so hard to make a funny sketch show. They try to plop people together and you need, you know, real synergy with the cast and the writers have to figure out how people are funny.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:18 And it takes like... That was the first-

Joe Rogan 15:20 It takes a while.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:20 Yeah, the first set of SNL, uh, cast, they already worked together.

Joe Rogan 15:24 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:24 And like that's why they were like gelled right away. I mean, one of the reasons. But all these sketch shows they put together... And they'll say, "Don't pitch a sketch show, they never work." It's 'cause they like pluck people who don't even do sketch, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:36 It's like putting together a boy band.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:38 E- exactly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:39 You know? Like y- you have to put together a fake band. You-

Kyle Dunnigan 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Not a bunch of guys who grew up together in Seattle, been playing in the basement. No. You gotta like-

Kyle Dunnigan 15:45 That works better though.

Joe Rogan 15:46 Find some... Yeah, that works better.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:48 If you put 'em... If you just put a bunch of hot dudes together.

Joe Rogan 15:51 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 15:51 Get the hottest fucking guys.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Get some good hair. Let 'em Milli Vanilli it up.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Remember those days?

Kyle Dunnigan 15:55 By the way, Milli Vanilli-

Joe Rogan 15:56 They got a bad deal.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:57 Not to change topics but...

Joe Rogan 15:58 They got a bad rap.

Kyle Dunnigan 15:59 Like now they'd be fine.

Joe Rogan 16:00 They'd be fine. No one cares if that's your voice.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:02 Milli Vanilli.

Joe Rogan 16:02 You're hot, I love your dreadlocks.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:04 Great, great look.

Joe Rogan 16:05 Great bodies.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:06 Great bodies.

Joe Rogan 16:07 Dancing around.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:07 Great cocks.

Joe Rogan 16:08 Girl, I know it's true.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:10 Yeah, that's a...

Joe Rogan 16:11 Ooh, ooh, ooh.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:12 I do like their music.

Joe Rogan 16:13 I love you. No, you don't.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:15 I do, I like that song.

Joe Rogan 16:15 They got you at the time. Remember there was the other one? Um, there was a, a song... God, um, it was like a, a big time band and there was this like, this beautiful woman who was singing and it turned out it wasn't really her singing. It was some, some big heavy lady who was actually singing.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:36 Oh, always... Yeah, it's always like a big... Milli Vanilli has a big fat guy.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Yeah. It was, it was one of those fucking something Factory.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:43 Taylor Swift?

Joe Rogan 16:43 What was the band?

Narrator 16:44 The C&C Music Factory?

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yes.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:45 They didn't sing-

Joe Rogan 16:46 There was a situation like that, right? Wasn't there? Where some lady-

Kyle Dunnigan 16:49 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 16:50 Jamie will find it. There was some-

Kyle Dunnigan 16:51 Jamie finds everything.

Joe Rogan 16:52 He knows everything.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:54 Jamie hates me.

Joe Rogan 16:55 No, he doesn't.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:55 Yeah, he loves you. I heard him talk shit about you.

Joe Rogan 16:56 He loves you. Who talked shit about you earlier today? He was saying nice things.

Kyle Dunnigan 16:59 He talked shit about me. I was spying on him.

Joe Rogan 16:59 He's bipolar.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:00 I know. He's mentally un-

Joe Rogan 17:01 He got hit by a golf ball.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:02 Yeah, I saw his...

Joe Rogan 17:04 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 17:04 It's so cool. I want that. I was watching him. He's got that really cool golf set back there. I want to get one of them.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Oh, yeah. Jamie, Jamie can golf his ass off. I have a buddy who got hit in the head with a golf ball. He said he was fucked up for six months.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:14 Oh, really? I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 17:15 He got hit in the head with a line drive, just dunk.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:18 Yeah, I hit a kid with a golf ball.

Joe Rogan 17:19 Whoo.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:20 He was all right though. Luckily I just, I didn't get a good swing on it.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Exhales ] Do you know-

Kyle Dunnigan 17:25 I see those guys that like do those power swings-

Joe Rogan 17:28 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:29 ... on, on the internet? Like where they loop their arm around and fucking drive through and like... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:33 It's like imagining getting hit with one of those balls.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:35 It's like getting hit with like a fucking like a shotgun shooting a rubber bullet at you.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:40 Yeah, yeah. They're really, um... Yeah, if you get a nice skull worm burner, you could, you could kill-

Joe Rogan 17:45 Exhales ]

Kyle Dunnigan 17:45 ... a duck if you just-

Joe Rogan 17:46 Really?

Kyle Dunnigan 17:46 Have you ever seen those videos of people's heads-

Joe Rogan 17:48 People killing it.

Kyle Dunnigan 17:48 ... just snapping?

Joe Rogan 17:49 No, but you ever see that one where the pitcher catches the bird in mid-flight?

Kyle Dunnigan 17:53 Yes. Amazing.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Crazy. It's like what are the odds that it would perfectly be there when it's 100 mile an hour pitch?

Kyle Dunnigan 18:00 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Who was that? Was that Randy-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:03 Yeah.

Narrator 18:03 Johnson.

Joe Rogan 18:03 Was it?

Kyle Dunnigan 18:04 Randy. What's his last name?

Narrator 18:05 Randy Johnson.

Joe Rogan 18:05 Randy Johnson.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:07 Johnson. He was so tall-

Joe Rogan 18:07 The big unit.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:08 ... he was like halfway to the thing.

Narrator 18:09 Watch. So here's the song-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:10 Oh, no.

Narrator 18:10 ... we're talking about.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Mm-hmm. Martha Wash, most famous unknown singer of the '90s speaks. How a voice behind It's Raining Men, Gonna Make You Sweat-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:17 What?

Joe Rogan 18:17 ... and Strike It Up went from being a bullied victim to an industry pioneer. So which song was at the C&C Music Factory song?

Narrator 18:24 Uh...... uh, Gonna Make You Sweat, C&C Music Factory.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:27 She's cute. Why didn't they give her a shot?

Joe Rogan 18:28 I don't know, so-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:29 Because A- I didn't know what C&C Music Factory looks like. Were they good-looking?

Joe Rogan 18:32 They probably were. Well, that was the move back then. You get good-looking people-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:36 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 18:36 ... they dance around.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:37 Now, you just get AI to do it.

Joe Rogan 18:38 But this was, uh, the first time where they were experimenting, really, with images in a way where you're, you're, uh, everything's visual. It's all video. You know, like, MTV was so important.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:49 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 18:50 It was so important.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:51 I liked the ugly years of-

Narrator 18:53 Gonna-

Kyle Dunnigan 18:53 ... of musicians.

Narrator 18:53 Gonna Make You Sweat's ev- the same song is Everybody Dance Now.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Oh, there's it.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:57 << Everybody >>

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:58 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 18:58 So, that's it.

Kyle Dunnigan 18:59 That reminds me of college.

Joe Rogan 18:59 So, it's, uh, some other lady in the video was singing it, but that lady was the real-

Kyle Dunnigan 19:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:04 ... voice behind it. But she just didn't look like they wanted her to look.

Narrator 19:07 Yeah, uncredited vocals on the chorus, uh-

Joe Rogan 19:09 Which is just so crazy. Like, w- you, you don't think-

Narrator 19:11 ... because (whistles)

Joe Rogan 19:11 ... like, look what's happening with, like, Lizzo. Do you think, you don't think that would've happened in 1994? Of course it would've, uh, if you just tried it.

Kyle Dunnigan 19:18 << Everybody >> That reminds me of college. I went to, uh, school for acting, which is the dumbest thing you can ever go to school for, by the way.

Joe Rogan 19:24 What did you learn?

Narrator 19:25 Kyle-

Joe Rogan 19:25 Nothing?

Kyle Dunnigan 19:25 Uh, uh, honestly, I learned to be a worse actor.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Give us your wisdom.

Kyle Dunnigan 19:28 I re- I really do believe that.

Joe Rogan 19:29 Really?

Kyle Dunnigan 19:29 Yeah, 'cause it was, like, Shakespeare and stuff, and, like, I'm terrible at that. All my teachers thought I was just terrible.

Joe Rogan 19:33 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 19:34 And (laughs) they, they, they, this one class ...

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Kyle Dunnigan 20:49 Literally, like, (yawns) this wa- it was called Movement for the Actor. Now, imagine, like, your parents ... My parents paid for college, which was so nice of them. I don't have any debt. But, like, what a waste of my parents' money. It was c- this is, uh, an hour sh- class, Movement for the Actor. So, they'd put on music like, uh, Remember Everybody At Dance Knows one of the things, and then you're supposed to just creatively, like, do whatever. So, these, uh, bunch of weirdos-

Joe Rogan 21:11 And you got it paid for that? (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:12 (sighs) Like, $50,000.

Joe Rogan 21:15 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:15 So, I'm in the, and I'm-

Joe Rogan 21:17 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:17 ... in my head, like, "What the fuck is, this doesn't make me a better ... " So, you're, you're fake and, and then, um, this teacher was, uh, like, "We're doing Shakespeare," and he's like, "Bring in tights next week for the Shakespeare, your performance." And I'm like, "I'm not buying tights and coming in here with tights. Like, why would I have to do that?" 'Cause back then, they, they'd dress in their normal clothes.

Joe Rogan 21:37 (sputters)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:38 You know what I mean? When Shakespeare wrote the thing, they were just in their clothes.

Joe Rogan 21:41 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:41 It wasn't like you had to be in tights-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 21:42 ... to do Hamlet.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 21:44 So, I just didn't get tights. And they come in, he's like, "Where's your tights?" He was, like, this, like, very effeminate guy who hated me.

Joe Rogan 21:49 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:49 And, uh, he goes, he goes, "Where are your tights, Kyle?" And I was like, "Oh, I forgot my tights." He's like, "Make sure you bring your tights next week." And I was like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 21:58 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 21:59 So, next week, no tights.

Joe Rogan 22:00 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 22:00 And I go, "Oh, I forgot my tights."

Joe Rogan 22:03 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 22:03 I was like, "Darnit."

Joe Rogan 22:05 Is that how you said it?

Kyle Dunnigan 22:05 "I wish I had brought my tights." Uh, yeah, I was like, "Oh, I wish I-"

Joe Rogan 22:06 That was probably your best acting.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:08 ... brought my tights," yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:09 I was really good at acting like I didn't, like I wanted to bring my tights. So, he goes, "Get mine. They're in the, they're in the back-"

Joe Rogan 22:14 Ugh.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:14 You know, there was like a ... So, I ... These green tights-

Joe Rogan 22:17 Oh, that had been hugging his balls.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:19 I had ... I was j- ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:20 I had to, like, put them on, and I was l- I looked like Kermit the Frog 'cause my legs are, like, the size of a 12-year-old Korean girl.

Joe Rogan 22:26 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 22:26 And I came out with my ... It was disgusting.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Yeah. Kermit the Frog.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:30 Yeah, I looked like Kermit.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 22:32 By the w- And I did tell him, I said, "Listen," 'cause I tried to negotiate before I put his tights on. I'm like, "But they didn't, they just wore their clothes like back then." And he was like, "Get the tights."

Joe Rogan 22:42 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 22:42 Like, "I wanna see you in tights."

Joe Rogan 22:43 Brian Callan was-

Kyle Dunnigan 22:44 You'll see it.

Joe Rogan 22:44 ... always going to acting schools. And he knew they were ridiculous. But i- i- I don't, I think that, like, Brian, at one point in time, was like, like, completely enamored with the idea with being in, in Hollywood. Like, he had a bunch of, like, famous actor friends, and he'd go to-

Kyle Dunnigan 22:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:58 ... famous actor parties, and he'd take acting classes. He's always working on his craft.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:02 I love that, "Working on my craft." By the way, that's such bullshit.

Joe Rogan 23:05 But he was bullshitting.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:05 Well, he, uh, he knew, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 He was, he was bull- but he was aware. He was fucking around. Like, like, when he would say, "Working on my craft," he wasn't being serious. He was j- completely joking.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:12 Yeah, he's very playful, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 So, he had this teacher that was, I think it was a Scientology hustle, too. It was one of those things where it was a, there was a lot of that, particularly in the '90s-

Kyle Dunnigan 23:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:21 ... where the teachers were Scientologists.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 But insert, by the way, this is not to pick on Scientology. Insert whatever religion. There's a lo- there was a lot of Scientology that was in Hollywood, though. But what they would do is they would get people to join the acting class, and they would try to recruit them into Scientology, 'cause the teacher was a Scientologist.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:38 I feel offended.

Joe Rogan 23:38 He would talk about-

Kyle Dunnigan 23:39 No one tried to recruit me, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:39 ... how important it was. He never tried-

Kyle Dunnigan 23:41 So, to be in Scientology?

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah, yeah. How important it was for his craft or his ... Meanwhile, they're never successful. The people that teaching the acting classes, they're always terrible.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:50 They, they never go anywhere. Like, maybe they have, like, a small part on one thing, and then they're gonna tell you how to make it.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:54 Yeah, you never hear that speech-

Joe Rogan 23:55 But you didn't even apply it-

Kyle Dunnigan 23:56 ... at the Oscars, like ...

Joe Rogan 23:57 ... to your own life.

Kyle Dunnigan 23:57 When I was a teacher-

Joe Rogan 23:58 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 23:58 ... I didn't think I'd ever be here. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Not to say there's not good acting teachers out there. I'm sure there are.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:02 Sure.

Joe Rogan 24:02 There's people that just, like, love theater. They love, like, that kind of act- ... they have no desire to be famous. They love the craft, they love the art of it. That's, that's true, too. Right? Um, but anyway, this guy, he was really into show tunes. And, uh, he would do a big show, uh, at, you know, the end of the class or whatever-

Kyle Dunnigan 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 ... end of the quarter, whatever it was. He had this big show at this local theater. And Brian's like, "You have to come and watch a guy with the tiniest feet you've ever seen in your life." He had these little ... I couldn't take my eyes off his feet 'cause he had loafers on, and they were, like, that big. And this guy would sing, like, so passionately these show tunes.... from, like, musicals, like, there's, there's no context. You don't, you didn't see the musical.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:44 It was like a med- like a medley, like a review-

Joe Rogan 24:46 A medley of show tunes.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:46 ... of, I love, that sounds like a great show. Wait, you came there for his sh- for his, to see his feet? That was like the Why You Remember?

Joe Rogan 24:51 No, Brian, but Brian was, like, fascinated by how small his feet were.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:54 I should just come see this guy's feet.

Joe Rogan 24:55 And then I couldn't sto- 'cause we were high, so I couldn't stop looking at his feet.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:57 That's not that small. That?

Joe Rogan 24:58 No, they were tiny. They were like size five.

Kyle Dunnigan 24:59 That seems like a, that's like-

Joe Rogan 25:01 They were little, little tiny feet.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:02 I had a date of this girl once, and she was like, "I have a shoe show. I'm a shoe model," right? And I'm like, "Oh, a shoe show? Okay."

Joe Rogan 25:08 A shoe model?

Kyle Dunnigan 25:09 Sh- yeah, foot.

Joe Rogan 25:10 A foot model.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:11 Like, she would model shoes.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Okay.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:13 But-

Joe Rogan 25:13 Like open-toed shoes?

Kyle Dunnigan 25:15 I just would'a, like, I didn't know.

Joe Rogan 25:17 Okay.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:17 But that's what she would say. She was going to do this. And she always had, like, dollar bills. She always had cash, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:22 Uh-huh. Oh, boy.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:22 And I found out years later she was a stripper.

Joe Rogan 25:25 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 25:25 Shoe show is when you have no clothes on.

Narrator 25:26 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 25:26 And I just thought she was a shoe... Oh, by the way, here's another-

Joe Rogan 25:31 I thought it was going another direction.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:33 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 25:33 I thought guys were paying to jerk off to her feet.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:35 Uh, maybe. She had great feet. But I also, and- and another stup- this was even the dumber class than the moving around class. It was called interpretation for the actor.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Oh. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 25:45 So it was like this. So this would, you would read a, a play like, um, Streetcar Named Desire, and then you'd come in and you'd do your interpretation of it. So the weirder you were, the better grade you got. Okay?

Joe Rogan 25:56 Oh, boy.

Kyle Dunnigan 25:56 So one guy comes and he did Streetcar and, uh, he put, there was a big mirror, you know, 'cause it was also a dance room. And he took a lipstick and he wrote, "Whore" with, in lipstick.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Oh.

Kyle Dunnigan 26:07 This is-

Joe Rogan 26:07 So deep.

Kyle Dunnigan 26:07 If you know what Streetcar Name is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:09 So deep.

Kyle Dunnigan 26:09 And he pulled his pants down, started fucking the mirror, and then he turned to us and he goes, "Fuck you," and he left. And then everyone started clapping and I was like-

Joe Rogan 26:17 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 26:17 ... "I gotta get the fuck outta here."

Narrator 26:23 (laughs) Ah!

Kyle Dunnigan 26:24 Listen to what I, so I'm like, 'cause I got like a, like a D on my, whatever I did. So I'm like, "I'm gonna be fucking weird my next..." I didn't read any of the things. I, like, I have trouble reading. I-

Joe Rogan 26:33 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 26:34 I don't know how to read. I just never learned. So I go, uh, I go, uh, The Glass Menagerie is my book. Didn't read it, whatever. I just went in there. I got an egg, okay? And I had a, I took one of my mother's, uh, Waterford crystal glasses and a string. And I took the string and I was just like, "Nobody sails the seas if they don't find their way." Then I clipped the string and the glass fell and broke. Then I went outside, you could see, and I buried an egg. It makes no fucking sense. And then the guy said, "What grade do you think you should get?" And I said, "An A," and he gave me an A.

Joe Rogan 27:13 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 27:13 That was, that was my college work.

Joe Rogan 27:16 He's brilliant.

Kyle Dunnigan 27:17 By the way, oh, um, working on my craft. By the way-

Joe Rogan 27:20 Brilliant.

Kyle Dunnigan 27:20 ... are you really working? Like, when you were... Meryl Streep was an amazing actress when she was 20, and she's amazing now. She never... Know, are you working four hours a day getting better at acting? No. You're not, there's n-

Joe Rogan 27:32 You're not training.

Kyle Dunnigan 27:33 There's a little bit you can kinda learn, but this is, you're done after a little bit.

Joe Rogan 27:37 If you're not Daniel Day-Lewis already...

Kyle Dunnigan 27:39 Fucking love that guy.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah. If you're not that guy already, you're probably never gonna be able to do that.

Kyle Dunnigan 27:43 Yeah, they, they talk like they're, like, working their piano skills all day and four days, like, your craft. You know what we, the problem what we did was, is we were like, we, not, not me at all, but-

Joe Rogan 27:55 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 27:55 ... when they were like, "Oh, let's make some more money. We'll have an award show and then we'll make money." That's why there's the Oscars.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:01 Is they're-

Joe Rogan 28:01 Oh, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:02 ... famous. But the actors thought, "We're doing something really great."

Joe Rogan 28:06 The Oscars are like the Olympics for actors.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:09 You know?

Kyle Dunnigan 28:09 And it's, I mean, the Olympics at least you're like, I don't know, doing something you can quantify. But like-

Joe Rogan 28:15 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:15 ... a nine year old-

Joe Rogan 28:16 Right, right, right.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:16 A nine year old won an Oscar, like, how? Like in, there's never been a nine year old, like, best surgeon. It's like, it- it's a thing you can do or kinda can't do. There's a little bit of learning, but certainly not movement for the actor or-

Joe Rogan 28:28 It's not brain surgery.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:29 No.

Joe Rogan 28:30 It's not working on your craft.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:31 It's not even like-

Joe Rogan 28:32 It's not painting.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:34 It's not even like when you crunch a ball and you throw it into a basket, like, at, where it's the, the skill is like-

Joe Rogan 28:39 Well, it's one of the few, it's one of the few careers where it's a benefit to be out of your fucking mind.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:47 Yeah. It's about persona-, like I love, we, we love the person, like J- uh, Jeff Goldblum, like love that guy.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:52 Christopher Walken.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Jack Nicholson.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:54 Amazing. Like, there's amazing actors.

Joe Rogan 28:55 You like the people who party.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:57 Crazy, wild people.

Kyle Dunnigan 28:58 You know, the story behind it to be-

Joe Rogan 29:00 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 29:00 God, I miss Jack Nicholson.

Joe Rogan 29:02 Oh, yeah. He was the best.

Kyle Dunnigan 29:03 That old Jack. He was the just-

Joe Rogan 29:05 He was the best.

Kyle Dunnigan 29:06 Did you ever see him flirt with, uh, Jennifer Lawrence? Did you ever see that video?

Joe Rogan 29:09 No. How old was he at the time? A thousand?

Kyle Dunnigan 29:12 He was 1,000.

Narrator 29:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:14 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 29:14 Wait, Jamie, do you have that?

Narrator 29:16 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 29:16 I don't mean to run this show, but it's a-

Joe Rogan 29:18 Bro.

Kyle Dunnigan 29:18 It's a, it's a good schooling on like, he's so cool. And this girl's way too young for him. But, um, it remi- (laughs)

Narrator 29:26 (instrumental music)

29:27 (laughs) No politics, Stuart. What about the- Jack, no. If you wanna talk politics, we can. You're in jail, so. You did such a beautiful job.

Joe Rogan 29:33 Thank you.

Narrator 29:34 And nobody can crush it your way. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:35 Yeah. You're being really rude. (laughs)

Narrator 29:40 Good to see you. I enjoyed it a lot. I love Stuart's movie. He's great.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Oh my God. Thank you. I loved all your movies.

Narrator 29:48 You look like a New Girl girl.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Oh, really?

Narrator 29:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Do I look like a New Girl girl? (laughs)

Narrator 29:52 I thought about it.

Kyle Dunnigan 29:54 "i thought about it."

Narrator 29:55 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 29:56 I thought about it.

Joe Rogan 29:56 Do you think that the, so it became flirtatious, but it was mostly just complimentary about her movie.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:04 He stayed, he stayed cool and he just, he makes that, uh, eye contact and then...

Joe Rogan 30:09 It's like you need crazy people to make great movies.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:10 He was flirting actually, probably won't say that.

Joe Rogan 30:12 She flirted with him.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:13 You need crazy people to make good movies. You need it. You n- you need a guy who's gonna pretend he's Lincoln for four months.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:20 And That Goin'- There Will Be Blood, I just saw the other day which is so good.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Oh my God, phenomenal. What's that?

Narrator 30:23 Silver Linings Playbook.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:24 I drink it up.

Narrator 30:25 I played Brad Ford.

Joe Rogan 30:25 What was it?

Narrator 30:26 Silver Linings Playbook. I think her and Bradley Cooper are in it.

Joe Rogan 30:28 Uh, I didn't see that one.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:29 I drink your milkshake.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Oh my God, it was so good.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:33 Look-

Joe Rogan 30:33 He was so good. He was such a great psychopath.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:36 It's like the... If I read that movie, I think I'd be like, "This is boring." There Will Be Blood is just-

Joe Rogan 30:41 Right. I'll drink your milkshake.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:42 Boring.

Joe Rogan 30:42 What?

Kyle Dunnigan 30:42 At the end, he's talking to that guy who's religious, he was like, "Can I have some of your, I've l- I've..." And he's like, "No, there's no more oil under you." He's like, "I drank it up."... I- and he just made the analogy of a straw.

Joe Rogan 30:54 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:54 Like, drank up his thing, and then he beats him with a-

Joe Rogan 30:57 I drink your milkshake.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:58 ... a, a, a bowling pin.

Joe Rogan 30:59 A bowling pin.

Kyle Dunnigan 30:59 A bowling pin. He's like, "I'm finished." One of the best endings to a movie.

Joe Rogan 31:04 Yeah, it was a fucked-up movie.

Kyle Dunnigan 31:06 I know you- it was-

Joe Rogan 31:06 That's, uh, that's a different thing. You know? That kinda acting-

Narrator 31:09 For me to take it out of the garage, it wouldn't be worth it.

Kyle Dunnigan 31:12 (laughs)

Narrator 31:13 Now listen, listen, listen, listen. I paid him $10,000 cash in hand (claps) just like that. He has his own company now. A prosperous little business, three wells producing $5,000 a week.

31:26 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 31:28 Why is this dude crying already?

Narrator 31:30 Stop crying, you sniveling ass!

Kyle Dunnigan 31:31 He needed money. He got broke.

Narrator 31:32 Stop your nonsense.

Kyle Dunnigan 31:33 And he's coming back to, like, beg him.

Narrator 31:35 You're just afterbirth, Eli.

31:38 No.

31:39 Slithered out on your mother's filth.

31:41 No.

Kyle Dunnigan 31:42 (laughs)

Narrator 31:43 They should have put you in a glass jar on the mantelpiece. Where were you when Paul was suckling at his mother's teat? Eh, where were you, huh? Who was nursing you, poor Eli? One of Bandy's sows? That land has been had. Nothing you can do about it. It's gone. Had.

32:02 If you would just-

32:02 You lose.

32:03 ... take this please, Daniel.

32:04 Drainage! Drainage, Eli, you boy. Drain dry. I'm so sorry.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Cut to the part where he kills him.

Narrator 32:17 If you have a milkshake-

Joe Rogan 32:20 Is it in there?

Narrator 32:21 I have a milkshake.

Joe Rogan 32:22 No, they cut it out.

Narrator 32:22 I have a straw. There it is. That's the straw, you see? Watch it. My straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I drink your milkshake. (slurping) I drink it up!

32:48 Don't bully me, Daniel!

32:50 Get out of my way!

Kyle Dunnigan 32:53 So good.

Joe Rogan 32:55 (sighs)

Kyle Dunnigan 32:56 Choices, they say in school.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Still was loyal.

Kyle Dunnigan 32:58 It's the choices you make in your performance.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Yeah, it's also, you gotta be outta your fucking mind. You gotta be able to become that guy.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:04 I know, but then-

Joe Rogan 33:05 And most people can't do that. Most people can't lie that good. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 33:08 Yeah, he, I mean, he becomes those people where-

Joe Rogan 33:11 Becomes them.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:11 But to live with that guy would be probably a nightmare during that movie when-

Joe Rogan 33:14 Oh, would be a nightmare. Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:15 What does Lincoln have to play?

Joe Rogan 33:16 Imagine that guy's your roommate.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:18 Who ate my cheese?

Joe Rogan 33:20 Ugh. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 33:20 My Cheerios. I ate them up.

Joe Rogan 33:22 All day long, he's a murderous psychopath. And what if he slips into character too much?

Kyle Dunnigan 33:28 I feel-

Joe Rogan 33:28 What if he lights your house on fire just to stay in character? (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 33:31 It, at least he does back it up. Do you know what I mean? Like, he hasn't done anything too crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:35 Well, there's a lot of people that do that. Like, they be, they, they, they play a brawler and they start fights with people in the streets, you know? Like, people get crazy with, with film roles. They, with who they become.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:44 Yeah, who was that guy? Um, was Batman.

Joe Rogan 33:46 But that's how you get a great movie.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:47 Who was that guy?

Joe Rogan 33:48 Christian Bale?

Kyle Dunnigan 33:48 Wasn't it Jared Leto?

Narrator 33:49 Oh, never-

33:49 They sent him people stuff. I think as the Joker.

Joe Rogan 33:51 What's that?

Narrator 33:51 Jared Leto is doing weird shit with the Joker.

33:53 Okay, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 33:53 I don't like, I don't like when they go too far with it. Like-

Narrator 33:55 Might've been rumors, too, but-

Kyle Dunnigan 33:56 Um, yeah, the Batman guy. Remember that whole thing where he was, uh, screaming at the guy for getting in the, in the way of his lighting or something? Remember that whole-

Joe Rogan 34:04 No, it was the guy was moving around and the background was distracting. And he's like, "Aren't you a fucking professional?" Remember that?

Kyle Dunnigan 34:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 'Cause he was in, like, some heavy scene.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:12 Yeah, but he was-

Joe Rogan 34:13 That, that does happen, man, where people don't pay attention and they're on their phone or they're fucking off in the background.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:19 I know about that.

Joe Rogan 34:19 And you have something right in eye line.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:22 Uh, the thing that I found interesting about that was his accent didn't... 'Cause he, he kept an American accent when he was screaming, so...

Joe Rogan 34:28 Interesting.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:29 But I found that, um, quite interesting. Yes, indeed. Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:32 That guy's another, uh, fucking amazing actor. Another-

Kyle Dunnigan 34:35 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:35 ... amazing actor.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:36 Was that psycho movie, American Psycho, so good.

Joe Rogan 34:39 Insane. But the craziest thing he ever did was when he almost died (clears throat) making that Machinist movie.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:45 Huh.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Got down to, like, 120 pounds.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:47 Oh, almost died from health-

Joe Rogan 34:47 He played a guy, he played a guy with narco- it's a terrible movie.

Kyle Dunnigan 34:50 Yeah, I've never heard of it.

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Kyle Dunnigan 36:34 I almost, I almost got, I got a movie was, like, the only, it was right in between, it was Joaquin Phoenix's movie. It was so bad. Only movie I, like, ever got. And it was between the Joker and the next. It was, like, set up to be this big movie. It was Gus Van Sant movie. And I, to get the, I was a doctor. I had to say all these, like, crazy things, technical, about the spine and the... And I knew if I could just get through this audition and just say this, I'll get this part. I'll be in the top 10% 'cause everyone's gonna fuck up this and be staring at a piece of paper.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 37:04 So, I did the whole script. I had, like, "When I tap here, say this." I had a whole thing-

Joe Rogan 37:09 Ooh.

Kyle Dunnigan 37:09 ... that made me memorize it. And I went in-... and, uh, I went and I got it. I go to do the thing, no one talks to me. The, the guy who ... The wardrobe guy goes, "What outfit you want?" He showed me a couple and I was like, "This one?" I'm ch- choosing the outfit of this doctor? And I was like, "Okay." And then never saw Gus Van Sant. And then I get there and they go, just when they say action, "Go in there and then do your scene." There was no blocking or anything. And I'm like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 37:37 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 37:39 And I've never done a movie before. And I'm like, "This is how I ... I don't think this is how you do it." So they're like, "Action," they go, "Go." So I go in there and I'm like, "'Cause he, uh, Quellin, was rumperapora," doing this whole thing. And, uh, Gus Van Sant comes up after me, he goes, um, "Have we met before?" I auditioned like three times for him and I got the part. And I'm like, "Yeah." And he goes, "You're talking over Joaquin." And I go, "Oh. Don't, don't talk over Joaquin." I couldn't hear Joaquin Phoenix at all, 'cause he was just like, "Rasmauuma," doing his lines like that. You know? And I wouldn't think, as the doctor talking to like assistants, that I would stop talking in the middle of my sentences while he's talking, 'cause he was talking to himself. But it was the weirdest thing. Terrible movie.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Also, when he was ... Was he playing an insane person?

Kyle Dunnigan 38:24 He was crippled, he was ... Is that PC? Is, do we say that?

Joe Rogan 38:28 Crippled? Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 38:28 He couldn't-

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yeah. You're allowed to say that still.

Kyle Dunnigan 38:29 He couldn't move his legs.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 38:31 He was the guy, he was the cartoonist ... I'm blanking on the name of the movie, but, um, he was a cartoonist and it was this like biopic. And, um, I, uh, was ... It was a very weird experience. But the movie ... Anyway, my point is, it was terrible.

Joe Rogan 38:47 It's a terrible movie. But it, you thought it was gonna be a banger. Thought this was your shot.

Kyle Dunnigan 38:50 Well, no. 'Cause at this point in my career, like the shock and all. Like this, these things happen to me over and over again-

Joe Rogan 38:55 Right.

Kyle Dunnigan 38:55 ... where I just like kinda laugh at it and it's like, uh, "Okay." I remember I was, I was, uh ... Yeah. There's been a, a bunch of situations where like, "Get ready for the rocket ship, Kyle, 'cause things are about to-"

Joe Rogan 39:06 Oi.

Kyle Dunnigan 39:06 "... take off." And I'm always like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 39:07 Oi.

Kyle Dunnigan 39:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:09 The old rocket ship. Isn't that funny? Like everybody wants to ... It's just the weird anxiety of not knowing if it's gonna work out for you. Such a terrible place to be. Like that's-

Kyle Dunnigan 39:19 I live there.

Joe Rogan 39:19 ... where the real making it is. The real making it is just not worrying about that anymore. The real making it is just like, "Oh, I can make a living." That's the real A-

Kyle Dunnigan 39:27 That's a, that's a big hump, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:28 That's the hump. That's the hump. Like whenever I tell like-

Kyle Dunnigan 39:32 But I'm still anxiety.

Joe Rogan 39:32 ... young comics that are just starting to like headline now and, you know, they've got some like viral clips. I'm like, "Dude, listen to me. You have already made it. Like you're a professional now." This is the hump. Everything now is just stick to the grind. Stick to the-

Kyle Dunnigan 39:47 Ah.

Joe Rogan 39:47 It's gravy from here on out. Like you should be so happy. You're talented and you're successful. It's actually happening. People are paying to come see you. I'm like, "You got this."

Kyle Dunnigan 39:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Like from here, th- 'cause everyone's like, "Man, what if they stop coming? What if they-"

Kyle Dunnigan 39:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:59 Like, "Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't give in to that. You should have fun. Have fun. They want you to have fun. Come on. Yeah, they like, you know?"

Kyle Dunnigan 40:05 Yeah, it's almost your job is to have fun.

Joe Rogan 40:06 Your job is to have fun.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:07 I wish they told, someone told me, 'cause I really did not get this advice for a long, long time.

Joe Rogan 40:12 There's so many, some people that are super successful still don't do that. There's guys out there that are super successful, that are paying attention to the ticket sales of other super successful guys and comparing themselves.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:23 Oh yeah, that's not a good place to be.

Joe Rogan 40:24 I'm talking about like arena acts that do that.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:27 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 40:27 Oh, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:28 That's mental illness.

Joe Rogan 40:28 People get kooky.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:31 They get kooky with like numbers and their position in the ladder and, "Am I making it? Is it happening?"

Kyle Dunnigan 40:37 What does their name rhyme with?

Joe Rogan 40:39 I'm not telling you.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:41 Jamie knows. I can tell by the smile.

Joe Rogan 40:42 I like them too. I, I like a lot of people that think ridiculous things. But it's just, it's a trap that, you know, the, the struggle that led you to become successful at something in the first place, that becomes like your mentality once you're in a different stage of it. And you have to adjust.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:58 It's hard to change.

Joe Rogan 40:58 You gotta be able to adjust.

Kyle Dunnigan 40:59 It's almost like changing your personality to, to change that habit. I mean-

Joe Rogan 41:02 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 41:03 ... it's really difficult.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Well, everybody adjusts a little bit. Right? Because you first get into it because you want attention. Like you first get into it 'cause you think, "Maybe I could be a comedian. That'd be cool. I'd be on stage. I'd get attention." And then after that w- ... You don't need that. That's not what you really want anymore. Like then it becomes like, "I just want it to get better. I just want ... I'm working on this thing. I just want it to work be- ... I want it to pop on stage. I wanna figure out the right beats. I wanna figure out the right way to say it." Then it becomes that. And once it becomes that, that's the happy spot. That's where you're happy.

Kyle Dunnigan 41:34 Good.

Joe Rogan 41:34 When you can just create stuff. You just, you know, like put it together.

Kyle Dunnigan 41:38 I, I, I wish someone told me that. 'Cause I had a viral, like some viral YouTube videos like way back. And I didn't, I was still on like sitcom. I kinda got a sitcom mentality, where if someone was just like, "Dude, focus on your YouTube and get your audience."

Joe Rogan 41:54 No one knew that back then though.

Kyle Dunnigan 41:54 "Go directly to your audience." Yeah. That's the way.

Joe Rogan 41:56 But back then no one knew. No one had any idea. Like just think about, this podcast was started in 2009. And in 2009, everybody thought it was a pathetic waste of time.

Kyle Dunnigan 42:06 Yeah, I remember.

Joe Rogan 42:06 Like friends would come over to do my podcast and be like, "What are you doing?" Like, "Why are you doing this?" It's like, "It's such a waste of time. You're on a fucking webcam." But it's, nobody saw that comment. So the, the-

Kyle Dunnigan 42:16 Did you?

Joe Rogan 42:16 I would've never given you that advice back then. Just stick to your YouTube.

Kyle Dunnigan 42:18 Did you just do ... You did it 'cause it was enjoyable.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Just fun.

Kyle Dunnigan 42:21 You weren't like thinking like, "This is the way." Right.

Joe Rogan 42:23 I always wanted a radio show, but no one would ever give me a radio show. You know? So I would, when I would do-

Kyle Dunnigan 42:28 How would

Narrator 42:28 Get me on here?

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... radio shows, like if I would do, sit in on Opie & Anthony and be like, "This is so fun. I'd love to do something like this. But ah, no one's gonna give me one of these fucking things." That's, uh, that's how I thought about it.

Kyle Dunnigan 42:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:36 And so doing ... When I saw Anthony Cumia started doing this thing live from the compound. He would do it in his basement where he'd play, play karaoke with a machine gun (laughs) . He's out of his mind. He's drunk. He's got ta- like, full beer kegs on tap there. He's, they're drinking Guinness and he's fucking doing karaoke while he's holding a machine gun. It was-

Kyle Dunnigan 42:54 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 42:54 ... the most ridiculous shit.

Kyle Dunnigan 42:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:55 But he had a full professional studio.... where he had green screen, he had, like, pro microphones, just in his basement for funsies.

Kyle Dunnigan 43:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 He just did it for fun. And I was like, "That's what I wanna do. I'll do something like that for fun."

Kyle Dunnigan 43:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:06 And then, of course, Tom Green. Like, you go to Tom... Uh, Tom Green had that-

Kyle Dunnigan 43:10 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 ... internet show in his living room. And I remember looking around and going, "You just gotta figure out how to make money with this."

Kyle Dunnigan 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Like, this is, this is a job. Like, this can-

Kyle Dunnigan 43:18 That's nice you knew you wanted to do that.

Joe Rogan 43:21 Well, it just seemed like fun. That's the whole re- like, I always loved the opportunity to talk to interesting people, or funny people, or e- you know? A- I- I'm a questioner. I like to ask questions a bit, like, "How do you, how did you know that? Why'd you do that? What st-"

Kyle Dunnigan 43:34 Yeah, you found the right thing.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Yeah, I just got... I, it's just, like, the o-opportunity to talk to cool people seems like, what a great thing that would be. 'Cause it's always fun to talk to cool people.

Kyle Dunnigan 43:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Like, you l- like, if I was ever on those shows, and I, like, ran into someone who was interesting, I was like, "What, how'd you start this? Like, what do you, what you..."

Kyle Dunnigan 43:52 Yeah, you having a lot of interests help, helps the-

Joe Rogan 43:55 Oh, fucking, for sure.

Kyle Dunnigan 43:57 Yeah, you get the guest-

Joe Rogan 43:57 But back then, I would've told you to get a sitcom. Because there was none, no money on YouTube. Everybody still wanted a sitcom back then. That's-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:05 The only one guy who didn't, and I was like, "He's lying," Zach Galifianakis was like, "Uh, I don't wanna do a sitcom." And in my head I'm like, "Oh, he's lying." But he actually had, like, a very, um, he had his head together.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Yeah, he's not lying about nothing. I mean, that guy, he's the least attention whorey of any-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 ... famous favor- famous person-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:22 He never got caught up.

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... famous funny person ever. Not at all.

Kyle Dunnigan 44:25 Doesn't he live, like, on a farm?

Joe Rogan 44:26 Doesn't he live... Yeah, he does.

Kyle Dunnigan 44:27 (laughs) He has, like, a tractor.

Joe Rogan 44:27 Yeah. Very-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:28 Every now and then.

Joe Rogan 44:29 ... interesting guy. Very smart guy. He-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:31 Very smart.

Joe Rogan 44:32 He was, uh, good friends with Brody.

Kyle Dunnigan 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 And, uh, he was one of the first people to alert me when Brody was off the meds. Like, there was a time when Brody was off his meds. Do you remember that?

Kyle Dunnigan 44:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:44 People that don't know-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:45 Happened a couple times.

Joe Rogan 44:45 ... we're talking about our, our late, great friend, Brody Stevens. Who was, like, that-

Kyle Dunnigan 44:49 So funny about him.

Joe Rogan 44:49 He was so funny, and that, Brody Stevens is, like, one of the best examples of, like, it's not what's written on paper.

Kyle Dunnigan 44:56 Yeah, you wouldn't... (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Right?

Kyle Dunnigan 44:58 If you got his act on paper, you're like, "This is not gonna work at all."

Joe Rogan 45:00 Right, you'd be like, "This is nonsense. This doesn't make any sense at all."

Kyle Dunnigan 45:02 No jokes here.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Meanwhile, everyone's lining up in the back of the room to see him say these things.

Kyle Dunnigan 45:06 It's so... Yeah, I think it's, like, that Andy Kaufman of our, like, little time period there, where he was, like, a different thing.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Andy Kaufman was a brilliant actor and a brilliant comedic actor, he was great on Taxi. But he, I don't think he ever killed on stage like Brody did. Brody was, uh, he brought... One time, we were in the Improv-

Kyle Dunnigan 45:22 Oh, yeah, in the Timr- different type of comedy. But it was, like, you know, a, a different, when he went out he was on stage, like, people, the comedians watched him.

Joe Rogan 45:29 Yes. It was his different thing. He's doing his own thing.

Kyle Dunnigan 45:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:32 He's doing this Brody Stevens thing. One time, we were at the Improv, and it's really late. Like, I'd gone up, a lot of people had gone up. The crowd was kinda tired, half the people there. And, uh, they announce that Brody's there, and Brody's worried that people are gonna get up. So, Brody takes his shirt off, and he starts swinging it around in the air, over his head, and walking through the crowd, "Let's go."

Kyle Dunnigan 45:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:51 "Positive energy." (laughs) And he gets on stage, and he pulls drumsticks out of his back pocket, starts beating the chairs-

Kyle Dunnigan 45:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 ... then he starts talking shit. And, and he just changed the energy of the whole room.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Changed the energy of the whole room.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:04 I don't think there's anybody li- like, since him, I can't think of somebody who's, like, replaced him. Someone will replace that, but, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:09 They're gonna do it in their own way. You know?

Kyle Dunnigan 46:10 You gotta go, like, "You have Brody is on stage, you have to go watch." And part of the fun-

Joe Rogan 46:14 Holtzman's like that now.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:15 Holtzman? Oh, I don't know him.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Brian Holtzman?

Kyle Dunnigan 46:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:18 You don't know Brian Holtzman?

Kyle Dunnigan 46:19 No.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Oh, my God, dude.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:20 I stay in my house a lot.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Oh, my God. Do you let him stay at your house? You don't even know?

Kyle Dunnigan 46:23 No, I say, "I stay at my house."

Joe Rogan 46:24 Oh. You've f- you've never stayed Holtzman-

Kyle Dunnigan 46:26 I stay indoors.

Joe Rogan 46:26 ... at The Comedy Store?

Kyle Dunnigan 46:27 No.

Joe Rogan 46:27 That's crazy.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:28 You know what? I might have and just didn't know his name.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Well, he would always come late at night. And unfortunately-

Kyle Dunnigan 46:33 I bet he was mad.

Joe Rogan 46:34 ... you know, there would be, like, 15 people left in the crowd. And Holtzman would go on these wild rants. He's like-

Kyle Dunnigan 46:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:39 ... one of the funniest guys of all time. He's so f- he's, like, a c- complete, total comics comic.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:44 Oh, yeah. I don't know him well, but-

Joe Rogan 46:46 Holtzman's at our club now, all the time.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:49 Oh, cool.

Joe Rogan 46:49 All the time. But now he has a crowd. Now, people know about him, so they come to see him.

Kyle Dunnigan 46:54 Oh, good.

Joe Rogan 46:54 You cannot go there, if y- if anything, if you, if you can't tolerate literally everything, don't go.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:01 Why? Is it very dirty?

Joe Rogan 47:03 That's what I'm saying. It's not, it's not-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:04 Expensive.

Joe Rogan 47:04 ... dirty. It's just, he's out of his fucking mind. And some of the, and-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 ... it's kind of in character, but you're not really sure.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:11 I like that.

Joe Rogan 47:11 And so-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:11 That's like Brody.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Like, Mitzi Shore wouldn't let him on stage for two weeks after 9/11. She wouldn't let him up. "He can't go up." (laughs) He's like, "Mitzi, I don't understand. I'm not gonna cross any lines." He was, like, couldn't wait to cross lines. Do you remember when Susan Smith-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:26 No.

Joe Rogan 47:26 ... that lady drowned her kids?

Kyle Dunnigan 47:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:28 He goes, "The day, the day he's on stage-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:31 ... ladies and gentlemen, I heard those are bad kids. I heard they sat that close to the TV. They didn't put away their blocks. They always spilt-

Kyle Dunnigan 47:38 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... their fucking milk. Those kids are not gonna be missed." And you're like, "What?"

Kyle Dunnigan 47:41 What did the audience do when they left?

Joe Rogan 47:43 Die.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:43 Die. Hollywood Comedy Store, sunset.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 Tuesday night or whatever it was, 1:00 AM.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:50 They went nuts. Everybody went nuts.

Kyle Dunnigan 47:51 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:52 It, that, but that was Holtzman. Holtzman got these late spots, so he would say the wildest, most insane shit, but also have a really good point half the time.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Like, it was comedy wrapped up in a point. And then every now and then, he'd let you in on it, like, that it was just, he's just fucking around-

Kyle Dunnigan 48:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 ... then go right back to it.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 And you, you know, it's, it's a little dance he's doing with the crowd. And you gotta know what the dance is. But if you know what the dance is, like comics love him. Like, whenever he's on stage, we, we sit in the balcony and watch Holtzman at, at the mothership.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:20 It sounds like that other guy who's older. I'm blanking on his name.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Don Barris?

Kyle Dunnigan 48:24 Nope. Uh, he's like, "What are you people doing here at this hour?"

Joe Rogan 48:30 Oh, Lewis Black?

Kyle Dunnigan 48:31 No. Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Jesus. Who, who are you talking about?

Kyle Dunnigan 48:34 He's at the store.

Joe Rogan 48:37 (laughs) Eddie Pepitone?

Kyle Dunnigan 48:37 And I'm having... Eddie Pepitone.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Eddie Pepitone. Eddie's great.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:40 Love that guy.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Oh, yeah. He's great too. Very similar in a lot of ways, like, just insane energy. And, and has a point, but is also insa- c- completely wacky.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:50 Yeah. It's, it's... I love, like, his, like, how long careers can be.

Joe Rogan 48:53 He's a sweetheart of a guy too.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:54 Like-

Joe Rogan 48:54 Eddie Pepitone.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:55 Yeah, he is. I like him a lot.

Joe Rogan 48:56 I think he started late. I d- I think Eddie started a little bit late.

Kyle Dunnigan 48:59 Oh, did he?

Joe Rogan 48:59 I think so.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:00 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Well, I, at least I wasn't aware of him until later.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:03 It's good to be a long care- like, imagine. I was thinking about those sports guys, you know? Like, you're a baseball player, and that's your identity. And then you're 30, and you're like...

Joe Rogan 49:09 It's over.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:10 ... we can go a long way.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Yeah. We'll, we'll, you can go to maybe 40. Like, look, Tom Brady still playing football. What was he, like, 42 when he retired?

Narrator 49:17 I think so.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:17 Still, that's youngish-

Joe Rogan 49:18 Insane.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:18 ... to have.

Joe Rogan 49:19 Young as fuck if you're a comic.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:20 If your, your identity is, "I'm a sports, you know, player." I'm, like, a sports player. (laughs) That's how much I know.

Joe Rogan 49:26 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 49:27 I just revealed how, what a good, big sports guy I am.

Joe Rogan 49:30 (laughs) Sports player.

Narrator 49:31 Sports player.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:31 You know a sp- are you? Are you're a sports player?

Joe Rogan 49:33 Yeah. An athlete makes a ton of money for a very short amount of time, and that's why they all go broke. Or not all of them, but-

Kyle Dunnigan 49:39 It's-

Joe Rogan 49:39 ... a large amount of them go bankrupt.

Kyle Dunnigan 49:41 It's, it's also just, like, you, you think about your identity when you're a kid, and you probably get all that, you know, identity as a, as an athletic person, then you become, like, a professional. And it must be difficult to just... You have to really never hook into that. Like, "That's my identity." It's also, like, if you're a really hot woman, I think it's hard when, you know, you gotta, like-

Joe Rogan 50:00 Oh, yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:00 ... not have, be, that be your identity, and just-

Joe Rogan 50:02 Can't be your whole thing, 'cause one day it's gonna go away.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:04 But if you're an athlete, it goes away even quicker than being a hot lady. Like, there's hot ladies that are in their 50s. They're still hot. They maintain their, their looks.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:10 Some hot ladies in the 50s.

Joe Rogan 50:12 They, they work out. They take care of their skin. But there's no, like, super athletes that are in their 50s. Like, they don't exist.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:18 What about... Hold on.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Not at a professional level.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:21 Hold on. Let me think.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Go ahead. It's not possible.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:24 I know athletes. Give me a second here.

Joe Rogan 50:25 There's one guy, there's one guy I can tell you, that did it into his 50s.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:28 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Bernard Hopkins.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:30 He played golf?

Joe Rogan 50:31 No, he was a boxer, world champion boxer.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:34 Oh, a boxer in their 50s is good.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Multiple division world champion boxer, was beating world champions at 50 years old.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:39 Did Tyson, was he full on, going full on?

Joe Rogan 50:42 I don't know. I'm not Mike Tyson.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:43 You don't know?

Joe Rogan 50:44 But I would say, by the tone of my voice, you could sense a little bit of skepticism.

Kyle Dunnigan 50:48 (laughs) Yeah. It's like-

Joe Rogan 50:50 Anybody who's a combat sports athlete looked at that and said, you know, "I'm happy Mike Tyson made money."

Kyle Dunnigan 50:56 It seemed like he held back a little bit, but-

Joe Rogan 50:58 Maybe there was an agreement? I wasn't there.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:01 That would be lame, if Jamie knows.

Joe Rogan 51:02 I d- I'm not one for wild speculation.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:04 No, you're not.

Joe Rogan 51:05 I don't know if you know.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:05 No, you don't get involved in anything.

Narrator 51:06 Gordie Howe was playing until he was 69 years old and 276 days.

Joe Rogan 51:10 Who is that?

Kyle Dunnigan 51:10 Who is what?

Narrator 51:10 An extra game. Gordie Howe.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:12 Gordie Howe, great, uh, great-

Joe Rogan 51:14 Soccer?

Narrator 51:14 ... soccer player.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:15 Uh, hockey?

Narrator 51:15 Hockey.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:15 He was 69?

Narrator 51:16 He played it. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't, he p- wasn't in the NHL at that point, but he played a professional hockey game at that age, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:22 That's insane.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:23 Hey, Joe, can I have a cigar? I wanna look manly.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Sure, yeah, yeah. Let's smoke some cigars.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:26 I, I need to, I need something to, uh, look manly, because I-

Narrator 51:29 Let me get some freshies out of the humidor.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:30 ... I don't have the-

Narrator 51:31 You look very manly.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:32 I, I mean, I thank you, but I, I-

Narrator 51:33 You look so manly.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:33 Sometimes I look in the mirror, and I'm like, "That guy looks old."

Narrator 51:37 Uh, don't look in the mirror. That's the key. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 51:39 (laughs)

Narrator 51:39 Kelly Slater, also a pro surfer, still rolling.

Kyle Dunnigan 51:43 I'm gonna look ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Kelly's a, Kelly's a great example. He's another example of someone who just takes care of themselves and just... But, uh, Bernard Hopkins was, uh, what was, like, Bernard Hopkins's world championship fight that he had when he was in his f- seven- his fifties, right?

Narrator 51:58 This is, uh, a list on Wikipedia gives, Albert Hughes is the oldest b- pro boxer, at 70 years old in 2019.

Joe Rogan 52:04 Oh my God.

Kyle Dunnigan 52:05 That seems like a suicide.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Where was he out of?

Narrator 52:06 I'm gonna look. I don't... It doesn't have a link.

Joe Rogan 52:07 What year wa- I know Archie Moore, who was a famous boxer, um, before the, um, Muhammad Ali days. Like, A- Archie Moore was, that's like way back in the...

Narrator 52:19 There's video of it. I don't know if this counts.

Kyle Dunnigan 52:21 What? Oh, that's just sad.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Oh, that's insane.

Narrator 52:23 Who's he fighting?

Kyle Dunnigan 52:23 No, no, no, that's, uh...

Narrator 52:24 The guy he's fighting does not look like he's trying to hit him.

Kyle Dunnigan 52:27 He wins, it says.

Joe Rogan 52:28 The old guy wins?

Narrator 52:29 Let's put it, the video headline says this guy's not trying.

Joe Rogan 52:31 This, this looks like someone took a motherfucking dive.

Narrator 52:33 Second round KO win over...

Kyle Dunnigan 52:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:35 That kid needed money.

Narrator 52:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:37 Yeah, this, this kid's not punching back at all. He's just covering up. This looks super sus. If I was that... Oh, and he just goes down. Yeah.

Narrator 52:44 If I was... Right.

Joe Rogan 52:44 If I was the athletic commission, I'd have a talk with those fellas.

Narrator 52:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:48 I'd be like, "Hey, what are we doing here? Is this pro wrestling?"

Kyle Dunnigan 52:50 White Tyson.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah.

Narrator 52:51 36 years after his last fight. So yeah, this must've been... This is...

Joe Rogan 52:53 Well, I do know that people have been offered fights that are fake fights. Like, they've been offered fights-

Kyle Dunnigan 52:58 You do know that for a fact? Oh...

Joe Rogan 52:59 ... 100%, 100%. I know people who have been offered fights where they said, "You, you're g- you'll, you will win the fight."

Kyle Dunnigan 53:05 That's... I don't like that at all.

Joe Rogan 53:06 I know there's celebrity boxing matches and celebrity fights that are like that, where they make a deal.

Kyle Dunnigan 53:11 Would you ever do a r- legit fight at some point?

Joe Rogan 53:14 No. I'm old as fuck, dude.

Kyle Dunnigan 53:15 Nah, dude, you're chicken, spring chicken.

Joe Rogan 53:18 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You shouldn't do that kind of stuff as you get older, I don't think. I don't think your body's as resilient. Even if you stay fit and in shape, you don't want head trauma in your 50s.

Kyle Dunnigan 53:26 I know. I've hit my head so many times in my life. I'm a little worried about it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:30 So, Hopkins broke his own record by winning the IBF light heavyweight title from Tr- Tavares Cloud in 2013. And again in 2014, he won the WBA super title from, uh, Bebout Choumanoff at ages 48 and 49. That's fucking crazy. So, he wins two titles, a title at age 48 and a title at age 49. Incredible.

Kyle Dunnigan 53:54 Were those rigged?

Joe Rogan 53:55 No! No, no, no, no, no.

Kyle Dunnigan 53:58 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 53:58 No, the way that he would box was super intelligent. Like, he was very defensively minded. Like, you didn't get clean shots off on Bernard Hopkins. He was-

Kyle Dunnigan 54:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 54:07 He was very clever. And he understood boxing, like, at a, at a very, very, like, deep level. His footwork was always on point, never drank, never smoked, always took care of his body, ate only organic food, worked out every day, never got out of shape, f- just all discipline. And so, he was able to maintain his body through the course of his career.

Kyle Dunnigan 54:28 Did you ever hear that guy, Brian, uh...

Joe Rogan 54:30 Can I do that? L- l- like that?

Narrator 54:32 What the hell is this?

Joe Rogan 54:32 Oh, what the fuck? It's not working? Piece of shit. These things die.

Narrator 54:36 What a, that is a piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 54:37 No way. Oh, there it goes. There, I got you.

Kyle Dunnigan 54:39 Have you had that guy... I'm gonna look ridiculous doing this.

Joe Rogan 54:41 No, you look like a man. I think more of you now.

Kyle Dunnigan 54:44 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 54:48 (laughs)

Narrator 54:48 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 54:48 Joe said I l- I look like a man.

Joe Rogan 54:50 Is that... (laughs) Would that be funny, if that's all it takes? I didn't even like it-

Kyle Dunnigan 54:53 I, you know I did not. Did that...

Joe Rogan 54:54 ... until I started to use s- come on, bitch. I think I have to feel it.

Kyle Dunnigan 54:59 Yeah, I only got a corner. Have you had that guy on, uh, who's trying to live forever, the vampire?

Joe Rogan 55:03 No. No, I haven't.

Kyle Dunnigan 55:04 I- I'm really fascinated with that guy. I like what he's doing. He's trying-

Joe Rogan 55:07 It's kind of interesting.

Kyle Dunnigan 55:08 But he's like, yeah, anyway.

Joe Rogan 55:08 But he's doing a bunch of stuff that I would say most experts believe is not the way to go. One of them is avoiding sunlight.... like, uh-

Kyle Dunnigan 55:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:17 Yeah. You're supposed to get sunlight. Like, sunlight is important for your body. It's the best way your body produces vitamin D.

Kyle Dunnigan 55:23 Vitamin D.

Joe Rogan 55:23 It's great for your endorphins. Sunlight is good for you. This idea that you should just be shielded from the sun because you're gonna prevent skin cancer, that's, it's probably the... I talked to a dermatologist about this, and they were explaining that if you don't have resilience from the sun, if you're not, like, used to going out in the sun, then you go out all in one burst and get sunburned, he's like, "Yeah, sunburn is not good for you."

Kyle Dunnigan 55:46 I got burned so many times when I was younger.

Joe Rogan 55:46 There you go, Phil. Yeah. He goes, like, "You're damaging your skin. What you should do is get accustomed to being in the sun so you don't get fucking sunburned."

Kyle Dunnigan 55:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:55 And then, be out in the sun. Don't get cooked. Don't spend the whole day out in the sun and get cooked. But being out in the sun-

Kyle Dunnigan 56:01 Like an asshole.

Joe Rogan 56:01 ... is actually good for you. It, it's healthy for your body.

Kyle Dunnigan 56:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:04 That's just one thing. The other thing is the vegan thing. I get it if it's for ethical cons- you've, uh, got this idea in your mind that animal life is more important than plant life, and you don't want to contribute to animal death. Okay. I understand that perspective. But not from a health perspective.

Kyle Dunnigan 56:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:20 From a health perspective, all the studies that show that, that, you know, meat causes this and meat ca-... It's all been debunked.

Kyle Dunnigan 56:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:27 And not only that, most of them are these epidemiology studies where they, they ask people, like, "How often do you eat meat? Is it two times a week, three times a week, four times a week?" And the more people that ate meat, the more people you see diseases, the more people you see problems, all these health consequences. And so, they go, "Oh, meat, meat correlates to these health consequences." What you don't ask them is, "How did you eat the meat? Is it a Jack in the Box burger with a fucking giant Coca-Cola?"

Kyle Dunnigan 56:58 Mm.

Joe Rogan 56:58 "Did you have fries that were cooked in seed oil? Did you eat cake with it?"

Kyle Dunnigan 57:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:03 "What did you do? Like, do you smoke cigarettes? How often do you drink? Do you drink every night?" Okay. Like, people that are more health-conscious, especially if they haven't, like, read into it enough where they really understand what's nutrient-dense and what, what causes problems with your health and what are the real issues with, you know, high-sugar diets. Like, and, and those people, they hear meat is bad, so they say, "You know what? I'm just gonna eat vegetarian. It seems like it's healthier. I'm just gonna eat lentils. They're good for you. They don't cause cancer. I read about the China diet." And so, you start believing that. But that's not really true, and people have eaten meat since the, literally the beginning of time. And 95% of the planet eats meat. There's a bunch of things that likely contribute to all sorts of metabolic diseases that people have. I don't think regular meat is one of them. I don't think a grass-fed steak and a fucking salad is gonna kill you. I think the real issue is buns and fries and soda and chips-

Kyle Dunnigan 58:05 Mm.

Joe Rogan 58:05 ... and cookies. And the people that don't avoid eating meat, if they're not well-read about it, they're doing it 'cause they don't give a fuck. "I'm gonna eat a burger 'cause I wanna eat a burger." You know, so you get a lot of that. So, in the people that avoid meat, you get, like, a healthy user bias, because these are people that, even if it's not correct. Like, I know people that truly believe that you can become a better athlete on a vegan diet. I'm like, "Okay, but there's no pros who have ever done that." No pros have ever gone vegan and been b-... Especially at an explosive sport.

Kyle Dunnigan 58:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:35 There's only, like, a few people out there. Like, there's a guy named Martin Bakole. Do you know who he is?

Kyle Dunnigan 58:41 Of course. Martin Bakole from the Cincinnati, uh, Red Dogs.

Joe Rogan 58:44 You don't know who he is. No, you're, you're making it up. Martin Bakole is, uh, one of the best heavyweight boxers in the world. He's this fucking enormous guy. Um, I think he's... I don't remember what part of Africa he's from. He might be Congolese?

Narrator 58:58 Yup.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Uh, he's a monster.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:01 Congolese.

Joe Rogan 59:01 And he's a vegetarian.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Vegetarian, fucking people up.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:04 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:05 It's kind of crazy.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Like, one of the b- best heavyweight boxers of all time. Huge guy, and he's a vegetarian. It's an aberration, though.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:11 I- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:11 And vegetarian, you could still eat eggs. Eggs are probably as good as anything. If you wanna eat, like, one protein, and you know, simple, easy to digest, has everything, eggs are a pretty fucking solid option.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:23 I eat eggs, like, every day. I, I actually tried to not eat meat for a little while a few years ago, and I, I... You need, like, a nutritionist with you to really-

Joe Rogan 59:30 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:30 ... make sure you cover that.

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:32 I-

Joe Rogan 59:32 You gotta get all your vitamins correctly, and then you gotta make sure you're, you're not taking too many vitamins, and which ones are water-soluble, which ones are fat-soluble.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:42 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:43 I just caught myself in the, uh, camera here. I look ridiculous smoking this cigar.

Joe Rogan 59:48 No, you look like a man. I got to tell that. I-

Kyle Dunnigan 59:49 Thanks, Joe.

Joe Rogan 59:49 ... like you more this way.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:51 Great.

Joe Rogan 59:51 You gotta hide those things from people. You shouldn't be able to look at yourself. It's bad for you.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:55 I love it. I love that. Oh.

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 59:59 Joe just turned the camera off.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 It's just like reading the comments. Don't do it. (...) you want to.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:04 By the way, you know these young'uns, uh, these y- young kids, let me lecture on this.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Oh, these young boys.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:09 Uh, yeah. I was... There was one point where-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 What about John Larroquette? Are you ever gonna get to that?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:14 We'll get to it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 (laughs)

Narrator 1:00:16 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:17 Let's not rush that story. Let the podcast breathe for a second.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Okay.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:21 And then, we'll fi-... So, these young kids now, I notice this, uh, women will do this. They'll be like, people say, um, I light up the room. One of these women told me this.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Who ever says people say I light up the room, that actually lights up the room?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:36 That's what it sometimes... People say I'm funny.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:38 But I, I've noticed, like, young, younger people, they c-... They tell you compliments they got. And I'm like, "Why is this..." 'Cause for our era, it's like, you never say, like, "I'm great. People think I'm g-" You never would say that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 Yeah.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:00:49 But now, this is my theory. I don't know if this is true. They, they've grown up on Facebook where people say, "You look so pretty," and then everyone sees the compliment. And now, when they go out in the world and they get a compliment, then they're like, "Oh, I let people know my comp-..." Everyone sees the compliment.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 That's probably exactly what it is.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:03 That's my theory.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 That's a very good theory. I think that's dead-on.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:06 Write a book about it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 You should.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:08 I'd buy that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Make sure you do the audio yourself.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:09 I have no merch. Yeah, I'm gonna definitely audio.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 (laughs) You don't want any merch?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:12 No merch.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 You should have Caitlyn Jenner merch.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:14 Yeah, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:16 Yeah, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 That was when I knew Comedy Central was doomed. You and I were having a-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:21 (laughs) Oh, yeah. I sent you what they cut.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Yeah. We- we were having a conversation. You showed it to me in the Comedy Store green room, in the green room in the main room. You were telling me the- the- the struggle-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:30 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... you're going through.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:31 It was so stressful, that whole thing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Well, you had this show that you were doing on your own that was amazing. And it's one of those things like South Park, right? Where South Park really works 'cause they can do outrageous shit 'cause you know it's not real, 'cause they don't even look remotely human.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:01:48 Yeah. Your brain knows.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 You, when you were doing the face swaps with, like, cellphone technology, you know, like, what everybody can use, it was obvious. So, something funny about it being-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:02 It was ridiculous, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... clearly not Bill Maher.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 It was clearly Kyle Dunnigan.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 It wasn't K- K- Kim Kardashian. It was Kyle Dunnigan. It wa- you know, you- you would-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 It was the way you were doing it was l- was super obvious. Then the Comedy Central thing came along, like this. Like, how do you get a beard? (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:20 Oh, man. That looks ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Give me some-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:22 I didn't mean to have a beard.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Okay, start it from the beginning.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:24 Wait.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Give me this again.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:25 Let's play a different episode.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 No, no, no.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:27 A different one. This one's terrible.

Narrator 1:02:29 Listen, no one's buying my book. So, uh, yeah, I thought I would read a lecture to wet your whistle.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:36 All right. We can turn this off.

Narrator 1:02:37 All right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Turn it off. You're torturing him. If you want to put on a good one-

Narrator 1:02:39 Wet your whistle, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 If you want to put on a good one-

Narrator 1:02:41 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 ... put the good one where she, uh... What happened to her vagina? I forget what it was.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 But they were all talking about something happened and she's... She shoved a baby in her pussy. (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:02:53 (laughs) Yeah. That sounds like a bit I did.

Narrator 1:02:55 How did your house burn down?

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 You-

Narrator 1:02:57 Wow. Yeah.

1:02:58 Oh, it was awful, girls. For a minute there I thought I was gonna suffer the same fate as my nut sack.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:03 Oh, geez.

Narrator 1:03:03 Yeah, baby.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:04 I'm gonna apologize to the trans men.

Narrator 1:03:07 Did you save all your clothes though? Yeah. Did you save all of your clothes? Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:10 The first thing I did when I saw the flames was grab my Fendi clutch and my Alexander McQueen stiletto pumps. Yeah.

1:03:16 Oh, my. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:18 Then I ran back into the flames to get my Louis Vuitton alligator duffle, a bag so beautiful it demands attention, yeah.

1:03:25 So good.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:25 Man.

Narrator 1:03:25 My size 17 Jimmy Choos, and my dog, Checkers. But there was only enough time to save two of those things, girls.

1:03:32 Oh, no. That's like Sophie's Choice. What's that?

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:36 What did you choose?

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:38 This is what I do with my time?

Narrator 1:03:39 Oh, Checkers is fucking dead.

1:03:41 (barks)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:41 Yeah, Checkers is dead.

Narrator 1:03:42 He shot my old ball and stick-

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:43 Yeah, baby.

Narrator 1:03:43 ... to play with up in heaven, baby.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:45 Oh, baby. That's what I'm doing with my time. That's an old one. That's an oldie.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 But the- but the fact that that's obvious made it better. When they did it on Comedy Central, they used higher level technology.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 And it was kind of weird.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:03:58 Mm-hmm. It's creepy. It has that, uh... What is that, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Uncanny valley.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:04:02 Uncanny valley. Uncanny valley. Yeah, your brain needs to know it's a joke.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Like, obvious. Like, that's an obvious joke. Like, no one's gonna look at that and go, "What did Caitlyn Jenner say?"

Kyle Dunnigan 1:04:12 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 Now, you look at that and you go, "What is this? What the fuck is..."

Kyle Dunnigan 1:04:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Like, that's part of the fun of it, is it doesn't look real.

Kyle Dunnigan 1:04:18 Yeah. It's completely ridiculous. I didn't mean to have a beard. That was just I was being lazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 (laughs)

Kyle Dunnigan 1:04:23 I wasn't, like, trying to make a joke. By the way, I never did imp- I did impressions when I was younger. When I was, like, in middle school, I would do them. And then I never... I started doing 'em... Like, a manager was like, "Don't do impressions." Uh, and then that Face app came along, and I look nothing