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Joe Rogan Experience #2300 - Kyle Dunnigan

Kyle Dunnigan is an Emmy, Peabody and Writer’s Guild Award winning comedy writer. He also is the creator and host of “The Kyle Dunnigan Show." tour tickets at https://www.kyledunnigancomedy.com/ Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free!

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Apr 5, 20252h 20mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:10

    Sanford and Son theme trivia, Quincy Jones, and why some sitcoms still hold up

    1. KD

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

    4. KD

      (upbeat music plays) Doo doo doo doo.

    5. JR

      (inhales deeply)

    6. KD

      Doo doo doo doo, doo doo.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. KD

      Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo.

    9. JR

      Doo doo doo. You know who wrote that? No.

    10. KD

      Pop quiz.

    11. JR

      Who?

    12. KD

      Very famous person wrote it. ♫ Bum bum ba na. ♫

    13. JR

      What is that from? What, what show is that from?

    14. KD

      70s.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. KD

      Begins with an S.

    17. JR

      Da da da. Sanford and Son.

    18. KD

      Yes.

    19. JR

      Who wrote it?

    20. KD

      And ... You're not gonna believe it. Quincy Jones.

    21. JR

      Really?

    22. KD

      Yes. And it's, if you hear the whole song, it's a really good song.

    23. JR

      I used to love that show.

    24. KD

      I-

    25. JR

      Sanford and Son was fucking great.

    26. KD

      It was funny.

    27. JR

      It was funny, ridiculous. Redd Foxx was the man.

    28. KD

      He was so funny on that. I actually didn't like that theme song. Here we go. When I first heard it. (instrumental music plays) ♫ Wa wa pa pa ow. ♫

    29. JR

      That was back when sitcoms were sitcoms.

    30. KD

      Oh. That one was like way, I felt like way better. Like Three's Company sucks if you watch that now.

  2. 1:10 – 2:10

    Big Bang Theory reconsidered and the disappearing sitcom career path for comics

    1. JR

      Yeah. You know what's underrated that I really never gave a chance?

    2. KD

      Wait, I wanna guess.

    3. JR

      Big Bang Theory.

    4. KD

      Oh fuck.

    5. JR

      Fuck, I fucked it up, sorry. That was right outta my mouth.

    6. KD

      I would've said Big Bang Theory.

    7. JR

      It's a good show. I used to shit on it 'cause I saw clips with, uh, you know how you do retakes?

    8. KD

      (laughs) Where they're not laughing?

    9. JR

      No laughs?

    10. KD

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's-

    11. JR

      But that's, you know what that is? That's like retakes. Um, when you work on a sitcom, sometimes you have to do pickups. And-

    12. KD

      Yeah, I actually don't know, but yes.

    13. JR

      Oh, you do pickups and-

    14. KD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... nobody knows anymore.

    16. KD

      Retakes.

    17. JR

      Nobody does it anymore.

    18. KD

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Miss Pat is, like, the only person I know with a sitcom.

    20. KD

      I, yeah, I couldn't name one-

    21. JR

      Isn't that crazy?

    22. KD

      ... sitcom.

    23. JR

      Think about all the comics we know. I know one comic with a sitcom, Miss Pat, and it's, uh, on a streaming. It's on, um, BET.

    24. KD

      Yeah, and that was everything. Like when we, when I-

    25. JR

      It was everything.

    26. KD

      ... was first starting, like, your whole thing was, like, you have to get a sitcom or you don't have any money.

    27. JR

      Yeah, well, or you're never gonna have a career.

    28. KD

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Because you needed, there was no way to get people to come see you in the clubs unless you had a special or unless you had a sitcom.

  3. 2:10 – 6:02

    Pilot season anxiety and the humiliation ritual of auditions

    1. KD

      Yeah. And I remember Zach Galifianakis, like it was pilot season. Remember that whole thing?

    2. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    3. KD

      That was huge. Like, "Pilot season's coming up."

    4. JR

      Oh, yeah. Everybody would be in town for pilot season.

    5. KD

      Yeah, yeah.

    6. JR

      And everybody'd be, like, a special kinda anxious. (laughs)

    7. KD

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      'Cause your whole fucking career-

    9. KD

      I n- yeah.

    10. JR

      ... was l- l- laying on this moment where you walked into this room and there was these weirdos, these casting people. There were always really socially bizarre people.

    11. KD

      And, like, tired and mad they've seen some people. And it's a, always a tiny room.

    12. JR

      And dismissive. And you, they are the kings and you are a peasant begging for a bowl of soup.

    13. KD

      You're a piece of shit. Yeah. (laughs) And when you walk in, they know they don't want you. Like-

    14. JR

      They also know you're broke.

    15. KD

      Yeah, and you have that-

    16. JR

      Desperate.

    17. KD

      ... that desperate energy.

    18. JR

      You want them-

    19. KD

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      You want them to like you.

    21. KD

      Okay.

    22. JR

      Hi. Hi, guys. Want, want you to like me. Oh.

    23. KD

      Off-putting is what it is.

    24. JR

      Oh. Death.

    25. KD

      I didn't get any, I never got a sitcom. I, I auditioned probably for 1000. I, I don't know why someone didn't say, "This isn't, you're not good at this."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. KD

      No one told me, "You're good."

    28. JR

      You could've been on Big Bang Theory, ironically.

    29. KD

      I could've been.

    30. JR

      You would've been a fucking major get for them.

  4. 6:02 – 8:30

    Joe’s early TV path: Hardball, NewsRadio, and why he preferred Fear Factor

    1. JR

      So I got this show when I was living in New York. It was called Hardball. And I came out here to LA.

    2. KD

      Oh, wait a minute.

    3. JR

      Yeah, it was a baseball show.

    4. KD

      I, I remember-

    5. JR

      Jim Brewer was in the pilot with me.

    6. KD

      I, I saw like-

    7. JR

      Mike Starr from Goodfellas was in it.

    8. KD

      I don't know that guy.

    9. JR

      Uh, Bruce Greenwood, who was in Star Trek. He's been in everything. He's a great actor. He was in it. He was, like, the older pitcher that was, like, my nemesis.

    10. KD

      Dude-

    11. JR

      Terrible show. Terrible show. Like, so bad.

    12. KD

      I think I- I think I saw, like, a, like a-

    13. JR

      So bad.

    14. KD

      ... the intro of it or something. I remember Hardball, like, uh-

    15. JR

      Yeah, it lasted six episodes. And then, the other show that I got was Newsradio, and it was the o- only other show I auditioned for.

    16. KD

      Uh-huh.

    17. JR

      It was just to- so, I'm so ... Everything else I auditioned for was, like, movies and stuff that I never got. And there was a couple of shows after Newsradio was over that I auditioned for that I didn't get. But it was just, like, the ... It, it was so bizarre. So, when I would go to these auditions for other things, it wasn't that big a deal, 'cause I was alre- already on Newsradio. So, it wasn't ... Like, if I didn't get these things, it was like, it, it would be okay.

    18. KD

      Absolutely.

    19. JR

      But it was, like, still the anxiety of that. Like, I had money, and it was still like, "Oh, this is awful." Like, this whole thing is so stressful and so weird. And everybody's so fucked up, because you get a bunch of people that desperately want attention.

    20. KD

      Oh, yeah.

    21. JR

      And then you go there, to this place where you're surrounded by people who are desperate and want attention in, in Hollywood-

    22. KD

      Yeah. Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... and then, you're ... You have this one moment in front of these people, and they're looking at you like this, "Okay, Kyle."

    24. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      Um ...

    26. KD

      Hi.

    27. JR

      So, you're reading for Bobby.

    28. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      Correct?

    30. KD

      I love the script. It's so funny.

  5. 8:30 – 11:16

    NewsRadio casting games, anti-hammy auditions, and surviving callbacks

    1. JR

      And they were gonna do ... I was gonna do my own show, but they had a, a sitcom that they already green-lit, and R- uh, Ray Romano was on it. And Ray was, like, the maintenance guy. And Ray got fired during the pilot, which is like the best thing that ever happened to him.

    2. KD

      It's devastating for Raymond.

    3. JR

      He goes on to do the Ray world- Everybody Loves Raymond, and it's fucking huge. Bigger than Newsradio ever was. So like, he, he gets fired. And another guy got hired, and then he got fired. So, I didn't feel bad, 'cause I'm friends with Ray. I love Ray.

    4. KD

      D- there's ... I bet you that part just was not good. It wasn't the actor's fault, 'cause you audition and then, uh ...

    5. JR

      I don't know what it was. It's like, you never know what they want. Like, when Paul, the guy who created it, Paul Simms, is this brilliant guy who worked on, uh, um, fucking Larry ... HBO. Um ...

    6. NA

      Jimmy?

    7. KD

      Larry Sanders.

    8. JR

      Larry Sanders, thank you. He worked on Larry Sanders. He was a brilliant, brilliant guy. And he did a very clever thing, like in the, um, the auditions.

    9. KD

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      The first audition I read for, it wasn't funny. Like, on purpose. They wanted to cut out all the people who were hamming it up.

    11. KD

      Right.

    12. JR

      I was like, "Oh my God, this writing is nothing." So, I'm like, "I don't know what this is." So, like, you know, they ... NBC asked me to go in and read for it. I've-

    13. KD

      Yeah, yeah.

    14. JR

      ... I've memorized this stuff, and I was like, "I don't even know what I'm saying. This doesn't make sense."

    15. KD

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      So, I go in and I do it. It's, like, real flat. And I say, "Thank you," and all of a sudden, I have a callback. And then they send me the callback sheets, and it's hilarious.

    17. KD

      Oh.

    18. JR

      And I was like, "Oh, whoa."

    19. KD

      In order to see if you could turn something not funny not funny.

    20. JR

      Because that was a thing that everybody hated, was the hammy, hammy sitcom actor.

    21. KD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Come on, Bobby.

    23. KD

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      What are you doing? (laughs)

    25. KD

      You're, you're good at that. That's really good.

    26. JR

      They were ... I've, I've seen a lot of those guys. So, they wanted to avoid that. And so-

    27. KD

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... then, you know, they, they had a callback, and it was just, like, me and two other guys. And these two other guys looked like they just got back from Vietnam. They were sweating. They were fucking pale in the face. (laughs)

    29. KD

      That makes you confident, right?

    30. JR

      They looked s-

  6. 11:16 – 15:55

    Sketch TV realities: Cedric the Entertainer Presents, network politics, and getting derailed by real-world events

    1. KD

      I was in a situation. It was, um, um, Cedric the Entertainer Presents. It was a sketch show, and it was like, I was so excited.

    2. JR

      I remember that.

    3. KD

      Yeah. I got ... I joined midseason. They, they, uh-

    4. JR

      What year is this? 2000-

    5. KD

      2003.

    6. JR

      (sighs)

    7. KD

      And I, uh ... Big year for me.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. KD

      Um, so I, uh ... I get there midseason. They're like, "We need a white guy to, like, pick on." Yeah, I was-

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. KD

      I was the token white guy. And, um, Louis C.K. was a writer. It was, like, a great fricking show. And this ... He got into, like, a fight with the fox. Here's where I knew things were downhill. Now, I didn't sell my car. I had a really ... And I'd pull up to, like, the good spots, and it was like, Lamborghini, you know, all that.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. KD

      And then ... And I ... It wasn't just a shitty car from, like, the early '80s. It was like, beat ... I had gotten in, like, four accidents. It was just a chunk. And I just was like ... And it ... So broke in a tiny apartment. I'm like, "Let me just see if I can ..." But it seemed like this was a hit show. It was doing well.... okay?

    14. JR

      Oh, no.

    15. KD

      So then it's like first thing, first sign it was like, "Hey, there's a fox party tomorrow." And I was like, "Oh, cool. I'm, I made it in Hollywood." So I go to this thing and I'm like, "Where's Cedric?" And they're like, "Oh, he got into a big fight with the pet of fox. He told me, he was, he was a douchebag." Some, some fight. And I'm like, "That doesn't sound like a good idea."

    16. JR

      Oh. (laughs)

    17. KD

      (laughs) To get...

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. KD

      So I'm like, "It'll be fine." So then this is, we were about to go on right after American Idol, which was like the biggest show-

    20. JR

      Ooh.

    21. KD

      ... in the world.

    22. JR

      Ooh.

    23. KD

      So we're like, "Get ready for the rocket ship." And then this guy put Wanda Sykes show, took Cedric off the air for like six weeks to put Wanda Sykes. Not, they're not off the air, but like m- yeah, took, moved it the spot. So Wanda's show was after and then Wanda's got amazing, um, you know views, so it, it gave them excuse to cancel Cedric even though it, Cedric was a hit. It was like a F you.

    24. JR

      Cedric seems like a nice guy.

    25. KD

      Yeah, he was very cool, nice to me.

    26. JR

      So how, what happened that-

    27. KD

      He did get on the phone during my audition though at one point. I was in the middle of auditioning and he was like... Yeah. And it was kind of a casual call. It was clearly like not a emergency.

    28. JR

      Mm.

    29. KD

      And I just like powered through. But he was very cool, a good guy, but...

    30. JR

      There's a different like culture of stardom versus people that want to be on a show. Like you, you're not the equal.

  7. 15:55 – 19:18

    Lip-sync scandals, MTV visuals, and the aesthetics of ‘who gets to be the face’

    1. KD

      By the way, Milli Vanilli-

    2. JR

      They got a bad deal.

    3. KD

      Not to change topics but...

    4. JR

      They got a bad rap.

    5. KD

      Like now they'd be fine.

    6. JR

      They'd be fine. No one cares if that's your voice.

    7. KD

      Milli Vanilli.

    8. JR

      You're hot, I love your dreadlocks.

    9. KD

      Great, great look.

    10. JR

      Great bodies.

    11. KD

      Great bodies.

    12. JR

      Dancing around.

    13. KD

      Great cocks.

    14. JR

      Girl, I know it's true.

    15. KD

      Yeah, that's a...

    16. JR

      Ooh, ooh, ooh.

    17. KD

      I do like their music.

    18. JR

      I love you. No, you don't.

    19. KD

      I do, I like that song.

    20. JR

      They got you at the time. Remember there was the other one? Um, there was a, a song... God, um, it was like a, a big time band and there was this like, this beautiful woman who was singing and it turned out it wasn't really her singing. It was some, some big heavy lady who was actually singing.

    21. KD

      Oh, always... Yeah, it's always like a big... Milli Vanilli has a big fat guy.

    22. JR

      Yeah. It was, it was one of those fucking something Factory.

    23. KD

      Taylor Swift?

    24. JR

      What was the band?

    25. NA

      The C&C Music Factory?

    26. JR

      Yes.

    27. KD

      They didn't sing-

    28. JR

      There was a situation like that, right? Wasn't there? Where some lady-

    29. KD

      I didn't know that.

    30. JR

      Jamie will find it. There was some-

  8. 19:18 – 30:09

    Acting school absurdities: ‘Movement for the Actor,’ tights, and performance-by-weirdness grading

    1. KD

      << Everybody >> That reminds me of college. I went to, uh, school for acting, which is the dumbest thing you can ever go to school for, by the way.

    2. JR

      What did you learn?

    3. NA

      Kyle-

    4. JR

      Nothing?

    5. KD

      Uh, uh, honestly, I learned to be a worse actor.

    6. JR

      Give us your wisdom.

    7. KD

      I re- I really do believe that.

    8. JR

      Really?

    9. KD

      Yeah, 'cause it was, like, Shakespeare and stuff, and, like, I'm terrible at that. All my teachers thought I was just terrible.

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. KD

      And (laughs) they, they, they, this one class ...

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    13. KD

      Literally, like, (yawns) this wa- it was called Movement for the Actor. Now, imagine, like, your parents ... My parents paid for college, which was so nice of them. I don't have any debt. But, like, what a waste of my parents' money. It was c- this is, uh, an hour sh- class, Movement for the Actor. So, they'd put on music like, uh, Remember Everybody At Dance Knows one of the things, and then you're supposed to just creatively, like, do whatever. So, these, uh, bunch of weirdos-

    14. JR

      And you got it paid for that? (laughs)

    15. KD

      (sighs) Like, $50,000.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. KD

      So, I'm in the, and I'm-

    18. JR

      (sighs)

    19. KD

      ... in my head, like, "What the fuck is, this doesn't make me a better ... " So, you're, you're fake and, and then, um, this teacher was, uh, like, "We're doing Shakespeare," and he's like, "Bring in tights next week for the Shakespeare, your performance." And I'm like, "I'm not buying tights and coming in here with tights. Like, why would I have to do that?" 'Cause back then, they, they'd dress in their normal clothes.

    20. JR

      (sputters)

    21. KD

      You know what I mean? When Shakespeare wrote the thing, they were just in their clothes.

    22. JR

      (sighs)

    23. KD

      It wasn't like you had to be in tights-

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. KD

      ... to do Hamlet.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. KD

      So, I just didn't get tights. And they come in, he's like, "Where's your tights?" He was, like, this, like, very effeminate guy who hated me.

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. KD

      And, uh, he goes, he goes, "Where are your tights, Kyle?" And I was like, "Oh, I forgot my tights." He's like, "Make sure you bring your tights next week." And I was like, "Okay."

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  9. 30:09 – 38:50

    What makes great acting: Daniel Day-Lewis, method extremes, and movie-star weirdness

    1. JR

      It's like you need crazy people to make great movies.

    2. KD

      He was flirting actually, probably won't say that.

    3. JR

      She flirted with him.

    4. KD

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      You need crazy people to make good movies. You need it. You n- you need a guy who's gonna pretend he's Lincoln for four months.

    6. KD

      And That Goin'- There Will Be Blood, I just saw the other day which is so good.

    7. JR

      Oh my God, phenomenal. What's that?

    8. NA

      Silver Linings Playbook.

    9. KD

      I drink it up.

    10. NA

      I played Brad Ford.

    11. JR

      What was it?

    12. NA

      Silver Linings Playbook. I think her and Bradley Cooper are in it.

    13. JR

      Uh, I didn't see that one.

    14. KD

      I drink your milkshake.

    15. JR

      Oh my God, it was so good.

    16. KD

      Look-

    17. JR

      He was so good. He was such a great psychopath.

    18. KD

      It's like the... If I read that movie, I think I'd be like, "This is boring." There Will Be Blood is just-

    19. JR

      Right. I'll drink your milkshake.

    20. KD

      Boring.

    21. JR

      What?

    22. KD

      At the end, he's talking to that guy who's religious, he was like, "Can I have some of your, I've l- I've..." And he's like, "No, there's no more oil under you." He's like, "I drank it up."... I- and he just made the analogy of a straw.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. KD

      Like, drank up his thing, and then he beats him with a-

    25. JR

      I drink your milkshake.

    26. KD

      ... a, a, a bowling pin.

    27. JR

      A bowling pin.

    28. KD

      A bowling pin. He's like, "I'm finished." One of the best endings to a movie.

    29. JR

      Yeah, it was a fucked-up movie.

    30. KD

      I know you- it was-

  10. 38:50 – 44:32

    Succeeding without the ‘rocket ship’: anxiety, fun as a job, and building direct audiences (podcasts/YouTube)

    1. KD

      Well, no. 'Cause at this point in my career, like the shock and all. Like this, these things happen to me over and over again-

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. KD

      ... where I just like kinda laugh at it and it's like, uh, "Okay." I remember I was, I was, uh ... Yeah. There's been a, a bunch of situations where like, "Get ready for the rocket ship, Kyle, 'cause things are about to-"

    4. JR

      Oi.

    5. KD

      "... take off." And I'm always like, "Okay."

    6. JR

      Oi.

    7. KD

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      The old rocket ship. Isn't that funny? Like everybody wants to ... It's just the weird anxiety of not knowing if it's gonna work out for you. Such a terrible place to be. Like that's-

    9. KD

      I live there.

    10. JR

      ... where the real making it is. The real making it is just not worrying about that anymore. The real making it is just like, "Oh, I can make a living." That's the real A-

    11. KD

      That's a, that's a big hump, yeah.

    12. JR

      That's the hump. That's the hump. Like whenever I tell like-

    13. KD

      But I'm still anxiety.

    14. JR

      ... young comics that are just starting to like headline now and, you know, they've got some like viral clips. I'm like, "Dude, listen to me. You have already made it. Like you're a professional now." This is the hump. Everything now is just stick to the grind. Stick to the-

    15. KD

      Ah.

    16. JR

      It's gravy from here on out. Like you should be so happy. You're talented and you're successful. It's actually happening. People are paying to come see you. I'm like, "You got this."

    17. KD

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Like from here, th- 'cause everyone's like, "Man, what if they stop coming? What if they-"

    19. KD

      Yeah, yeah.

    20. JR

      Like, "Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't give in to that. You should have fun. Have fun. They want you to have fun. Come on. Yeah, they like, you know?"

    21. KD

      Yeah, it's almost your job is to have fun.

    22. JR

      Your job is to have fun.

    23. KD

      I wish they told, someone told me, 'cause I really did not get this advice for a long, long time.

    24. JR

      There's so many, some people that are super successful still don't do that. There's guys out there that are super successful, that are paying attention to the ticket sales of other super successful guys and comparing themselves.

    25. KD

      Oh yeah, that's not a good place to be.

    26. JR

      I'm talking about like arena acts that do that.

    27. KD

      Oh, really?

    28. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    29. KD

      That's mental illness.

    30. JR

      People get kooky.

  11. 44:32 – 49:03

    Brody Stevens’ presence, comics-comic legends, and the late-night ‘danger zone’ (Holtzman, Pepitone)

    1. JR

      He was, uh, good friends with Brody.

    2. KD

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      And, uh, he was one of the first people to alert me when Brody was off the meds. Like, there was a time when Brody was off his meds. Do you remember that?

    4. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      People that don't know-

    6. KD

      Happened a couple times.

    7. JR

      ... we're talking about our, our late, great friend, Brody Stevens. Who was, like, that-

    8. KD

      So funny about him.

    9. JR

      He was so funny, and that, Brody Stevens is, like, one of the best examples of, like, it's not what's written on paper.

    10. KD

      Yeah, you wouldn't... (laughs) Yeah.

    11. JR

      Right?

    12. KD

      If you got his act on paper, you're like, "This is not gonna work at all."

    13. JR

      Right, you'd be like, "This is nonsense. This doesn't make any sense at all."

    14. KD

      No jokes here.

    15. JR

      Meanwhile, everyone's lining up in the back of the room to see him say these things.

    16. KD

      It's so... Yeah, I think it's, like, that Andy Kaufman of our, like, little time period there, where he was, like, a different thing.

    17. JR

      Andy Kaufman was a brilliant actor and a brilliant comedic actor, he was great on Taxi. But he, I don't think he ever killed on stage like Brody did. Brody was, uh, he brought... One time, we were in the Improv-

    18. KD

      Oh, yeah, in the Timr- different type of comedy. But it was, like, you know, a, a different, when he went out he was on stage, like, people, the comedians watched him.

    19. JR

      Yes. It was his different thing. He's doing his own thing.

    20. KD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      He's doing this Brody Stevens thing. One time, we were at the Improv, and it's really late. Like, I'd gone up, a lot of people had gone up. The crowd was kinda tired, half the people there. And, uh, they announce that Brody's there, and Brody's worried that people are gonna get up. So, Brody takes his shirt off, and he starts swinging it around in the air, over his head, and walking through the crowd, "Let's go."

    22. KD

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      "Positive energy." (laughs) And he gets on stage, and he pulls drumsticks out of his back pocket, starts beating the chairs-

    24. KD

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... then he starts talking shit. And, and he just changed the energy of the whole room.

    26. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      Changed the energy of the whole room.

    28. KD

      I don't think there's anybody li- like, since him, I can't think of somebody who's, like, replaced him. Someone will replace that, but, yeah.

    29. JR

      They're gonna do it in their own way. You know?

    30. KD

      You gotta go, like, "You have Brody is on stage, you have to go watch." And part of the fun-

  12. 49:03 – 54:59

    Aging, athletics vs. comedy longevity, and the boxing ‘dive’ rabbit hole

    1. KD

      It's good to be a long care- like, imagine. I was thinking about those sports guys, you know? Like, you're a baseball player, and that's your identity. And then you're 30, and you're like...

    2. JR

      It's over.

    3. KD

      ... we can go a long way.

    4. JR

      Yeah. We'll, we'll, you can go to maybe 40. Like, look, Tom Brady still playing football. What was he, like, 42 when he retired?

    5. NA

      I think so.

    6. KD

      Still, that's youngish-

    7. JR

      Insane.

    8. KD

      ... to have.

    9. JR

      Young as fuck if you're a comic.

    10. KD

      If your, your identity is, "I'm a sports, you know, player." I'm, like, a sports player. (laughs) That's how much I know.

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. KD

      I just revealed how, what a good, big sports guy I am.

    13. JR

      (laughs) Sports player.

    14. NA

      Sports player.

    15. KD

      You know a sp- are you? Are you're a sports player?

    16. JR

      Yeah. An athlete makes a ton of money for a very short amount of time, and that's why they all go broke. Or not all of them, but-

    17. KD

      It's-

    18. JR

      ... a large amount of them go bankrupt.

    19. KD

      It's, it's also just, like, you, you think about your identity when you're a kid, and you probably get all that, you know, identity as a, as an athletic person, then you become, like, a professional. And it must be difficult to just... You have to really never hook into that. Like, "That's my identity." It's also, like, if you're a really hot woman, I think it's hard when, you know, you gotta, like-

    20. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    21. KD

      ... not have, be, that be your identity, and just-

    22. JR

      Can't be your whole thing, 'cause one day it's gonna go away.

    23. KD

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      But if you're an athlete, it goes away even quicker than being a hot lady. Like, there's hot ladies that are in their 50s. They're still hot. They maintain their, their looks.

    25. KD

      Some hot ladies in the 50s.

    26. JR

      They, they work out. They take care of their skin. But there's no, like, super athletes that are in their 50s. Like, they don't exist.

    27. KD

      What about... Hold on.

    28. JR

      Not at a professional level.

    29. KD

      Hold on. Let me think.

    30. JR

      Go ahead. It's not possible.

  13. 54:59 – 1:01:17

    Longevity culture, sunlight vs. ‘vampire’ biohacking, and Joe’s anti-vegan health argument

    1. KD

      Yeah, I only got a corner. Have you had that guy on, uh, who's trying to live forever, the vampire?

    2. JR

      No. No, I haven't.

    3. KD

      I- I'm really fascinated with that guy. I like what he's doing. He's trying-

    4. JR

      It's kind of interesting.

    5. KD

      But he's like, yeah, anyway.

    6. JR

      But he's doing a bunch of stuff that I would say most experts believe is not the way to go. One of them is avoiding sunlight.... like, uh-

    7. KD

      Oh, yeah.

    8. JR

      Yeah. You're supposed to get sunlight. Like, sunlight is important for your body. It's the best way your body produces vitamin D.

    9. KD

      Vitamin D.

    10. JR

      It's great for your endorphins. Sunlight is good for you. This idea that you should just be shielded from the sun because you're gonna prevent skin cancer, that's, it's probably the... I talked to a dermatologist about this, and they were explaining that if you don't have resilience from the sun, if you're not, like, used to going out in the sun, then you go out all in one burst and get sunburned, he's like, "Yeah, sunburn is not good for you."

    11. KD

      I got burned so many times when I was younger.

    12. JR

      There you go, Phil. Yeah. He goes, like, "You're damaging your skin. What you should do is get accustomed to being in the sun so you don't get fucking sunburned."

    13. KD

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      And then, be out in the sun. Don't get cooked. Don't spend the whole day out in the sun and get cooked. But being out in the sun-

    15. KD

      Like an asshole.

    16. JR

      ... is actually good for you. It, it's healthy for your body.

    17. KD

      Yes.

    18. JR

      That's just one thing. The other thing is the vegan thing. I get it if it's for ethical cons- you've, uh, got this idea in your mind that animal life is more important than plant life, and you don't want to contribute to animal death. Okay. I understand that perspective. But not from a health perspective.

    19. KD

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      From a health perspective, all the studies that show that, that, you know, meat causes this and meat ca-... It's all been debunked.

    21. KD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And not only that, most of them are these epidemiology studies where they, they ask people, like, "How often do you eat meat? Is it two times a week, three times a week, four times a week?" And the more people that ate meat, the more people you see diseases, the more people you see problems, all these health consequences. And so, they go, "Oh, meat, meat correlates to these health consequences." What you don't ask them is, "How did you eat the meat? Is it a Jack in the Box burger with a fucking giant Coca-Cola?"

    23. KD

      Mm.

    24. JR

      "Did you have fries that were cooked in seed oil? Did you eat cake with it?"

    25. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    26. JR

      "What did you do? Like, do you smoke cigarettes? How often do you drink? Do you drink every night?" Okay. Like, people that are more health-conscious, especially if they haven't, like, read into it enough where they really understand what's nutrient-dense and what, what causes problems with your health and what are the real issues with, you know, high-sugar diets. Like, and, and those people, they hear meat is bad, so they say, "You know what? I'm just gonna eat vegetarian. It seems like it's healthier. I'm just gonna eat lentils. They're good for you. They don't cause cancer. I read about the China diet." And so, you start believing that. But that's not really true, and people have eaten meat since the, literally the beginning of time. And 95% of the planet eats meat. There's a bunch of things that likely contribute to all sorts of metabolic diseases that people have. I don't think regular meat is one of them. I don't think a grass-fed steak and a fucking salad is gonna kill you. I think the real issue is buns and fries and soda and chips-

    27. KD

      Mm.

    28. JR

      ... and cookies. And the people that don't avoid eating meat, if they're not well-read about it, they're doing it 'cause they don't give a fuck. "I'm gonna eat a burger 'cause I wanna eat a burger." You know, so you get a lot of that. So, in the people that avoid meat, you get, like, a healthy user bias, because these are people that, even if it's not correct. Like, I know people that truly believe that you can become a better athlete on a vegan diet. I'm like, "Okay, but there's no pros who have ever done that." No pros have ever gone vegan and been b-... Especially at an explosive sport.

    29. KD

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      There's only, like, a few people out there. Like, there's a guy named Martin Bakole. Do you know who he is?

  14. 1:01:17 – 1:07:57

    Deepfakes and Comedy Central: why higher realism can kill the joke (uncanny valley)

    1. JR

      That was when I knew Comedy Central was doomed. You and I were having a-

    2. KD

      (laughs) Oh, yeah. I sent you what they cut.

    3. JR

      Yeah. We- we were having a conversation. You showed it to me in the Comedy Store green room, in the green room in the main room. You were telling me the- the- the struggle-

    4. KD

      Okay.

    5. JR

      ... you're going through.

    6. KD

      It was so stressful, that whole thing.

    7. JR

      Well, you had this show that you were doing on your own that was amazing. And it's one of those things like South Park, right? Where South Park really works 'cause they can do outrageous shit 'cause you know it's not real, 'cause they don't even look remotely human.

    8. KD

      Yeah. Your brain knows.

    9. JR

      You, when you were doing the face swaps with, like, cellphone technology, you know, like, what everybody can use, it was obvious. So, something funny about it being-

    10. KD

      It was ridiculous, yeah.

    11. JR

      ... clearly not Bill Maher.

    12. KD

      Yeah, yeah.

    13. JR

      It was clearly Kyle Dunnigan.

    14. KD

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      It wasn't K- K- Kim Kardashian. It was Kyle Dunnigan. It wa- you know, you- you would-

    16. KD

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      It was the way you were doing it was l- was super obvious. Then the Comedy Central thing came along, like this. Like, how do you get a beard? (laughs)

    18. KD

      Oh, man. That looks ridiculous.

    19. JR

      Give me some-

    20. KD

      I didn't mean to have a beard.

    21. JR

      Okay, start it from the beginning.

    22. KD

      Wait.

    23. JR

      Give me this again.

    24. KD

      Let's play a different episode.

    25. JR

      No, no, no.

    26. KD

      A different one. This one's terrible.

    27. NA

      Listen, no one's buying my book. So, uh, yeah, I thought I would read a lecture to wet your whistle.

    28. KD

      All right. We can turn this off.

    29. NA

      All right?

    30. JR

      Turn it off. You're torturing him. If you want to put on a good one-

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