Joe Rogan Experience #2304 - Gary Brecka

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Gary Brecka 0:12 All right, we're up to speed, Breckin.

Joe Rogan 0:13 All right. Good to see you, my friend.

Gary Brecka 0:15 Wow. That was fast. Good to see you, too, brother.

Joe Rogan 0:16 That's how we do it. We just get right into it.

Gary Brecka 0:18 (laughs) It's like-

Joe Rogan 0:18 You got notes, dude.

Gary Brecka 0:19 ... sit down and roll.

Joe Rogan 0:19 You're organized. You're a rare guest.

Gary Brecka 0:21 Uh, I actually ... You know what? I normally don't bring notes, but I was talking to Calley Means on the way over here, and, you know, we're, we're really supporting Bobby Kennedy's whole MHA, you know, movement, and, and, uh, trying to officially put a committee together to, to, to really give him some great talking points and then bring some of the big influencers together to help him message, you know, around the media. And I was like, "What are some of the wins that we've had in the last week that I don't know about?" And so he just rattled them off, and I-

Joe Rogan 0:45 There's some wins?

Gary Brecka 0:46 ... just jotted them down.

Joe Rogan 0:47 What are the wins?

Gary Brecka 0:47 Well, I mean, um, you know, so Trump formed this, uh, Strong Kids Commission, and, and if you remember when he first got into office, he actually, um, by executive order, he authorized Bobby to, um, to do a study with the, you know, Health and Human Services to, to look into the genesis of chronic disease, 'cause nobody, nobody's talking about it. The National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine or in our, you know, public health policy, nobody's talking about what's causing this pandemic.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Gee, I wonder why they're not talking about it?

Gary Brecka 1:15 (laughs) Well, I could give you a couple of-

Joe Rogan 1:18 Do you think money has anything to do with it?

Gary Brecka 1:19 ... I could give you a couple of clues.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Nah.

Gary Brecka 1:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21 No way.

Gary Brecka 1:22 God.

Joe Rogan 1:22 These are the best-

Gary Brecka 1:22 You're a conspiracy theorist, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:23 I know.

Gary Brecka 1:23 You're down the rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 1:24 That's my problem.

Gary Brecka 1:25 You think that just because people-

Joe Rogan 1:27 It's my main problem.

Gary Brecka 1:27 ... get paid, they do things that are shady.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Yeah. I know. That's a weird thing to think. I should stop thinking that way.

Gary Brecka 1:32 Yeah. I mean, for ... Y- y- y- you know, we make $110 billion a year on type two diabetes. You ... They're trying to put that out of business, for sure, right?

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah. They don't want that money.

Gary Brecka 1:39 No, no, no. They're, they're like, "Hey, Stan, how do we get this off the balance sheet, bro? How do we, how do we get rid ... This is stinking up the place."

Joe Rogan 1:44 So there's a business that relies on people being so disgusting that they get type two diabetes?

Gary Brecka 1:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:51 So bad with their diet, just eating pie and drinking soda till their body just starts to cave in.

Gary Brecka 1:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59 And then-

Gary Brecka 1:59 But don't worry, we got-

Joe Rogan 1:59 But that's worth how much a year?

Gary Brecka 2:01 ... an insulin for it. $110 billion.

Joe Rogan 2:02 That's not a lot.

Gary Brecka 2:03 Type two diabetes alone.

Joe Rogan 2:04 That's not a lot of money. It's not like that would change anybody's opinions on things.

Gary Brecka 2:06 Well, I mean, a lot of people could live on that.

Joe Rogan 2:08 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 2:08 There's a lot of people-

Joe Rogan 2:09 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 2:10 ... right now that could live, that could live on that, bro.

Joe Rogan 2:12 Isn't that funny? A lot of people could live on what's killing other people.

Gary Brecka 2:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Isn't that funny? Like a lot of people-

Gary Brecka 2:17 S-

Joe Rogan 2:17 ... are buying yachts on what is killing people.

Gary Brecka 2:20 Yeah. So the, the-

Joe Rogan 2:20 It's wild.

Gary Brecka 2:21 The interesting thing is, is, you know, look at our F- you know, our food stamp program, which is, you know, the SNAP program. It's one of the biggest-

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yes.

Gary Brecka 2:27 ... um, subsidies that we have in the government, $120 billion a year. 10 billion of that is going to subsidize sodas. I mean, 10 billion.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Well, they need soda. It's, it's an important part of the fear- food pyramid, I think.

Gary Brecka 2:39 (laughs) I'm sorry. It's right-

Joe Rogan 2:40 Isn't it in there?

Gary Brecka 2:40 It's right up there with Lucky Charms, right? It's-

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah. Lucky Charms is above, right above ground beef.

Gary Brecka 2:45 Yep, and grass-fed-

Joe Rogan 2:46 You know.

Gary Brecka 2:46 ... steak.

Joe Rogan 2:46 (sighs)

Gary Brecka 2:46 And then you get to the top-

Joe Rogan 2:47 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 2:47 ... and you got, and you got soda. It, it's ... So it's just-

Joe Rogan 2:50 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 2:50 It's phenomenal. And then they, the American Heart Association just ironically comes out in favor of soda in this SNAP food program.

Joe Rogan 2:58 I know.

Gary Brecka 2:58 And it, and you just go-

Joe Rogan 2:59 We, we went over that, and we found out that they're, um, they're paid by Pepsi and by Coca-Cola.

Gary Brecka 3:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 3:06 It's just so dark.

Gary Brecka 3:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:07 It's so, it's so crazy-

Gary Brecka 3:09 It is.

Joe Rogan 3:09 The American Heart Association gets money from Coca-Cola and Pepsi.

Gary Brecka 3:13 Yeah. You know, I, I checked into my Airbnb here in, in Austin, which, uh, which by the way, love Austin, man. I see why-

Joe Rogan 3:18 It's the best.

Gary Brecka 3:18 I see why you came here. We covered it all on my podcast, so-

Joe Rogan 3:21 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 3:21 ... I won't, I won't go down that rabbit hole. But it truly is, man. People are amazing. Uh, food is amazing. Went to this little restaurant called The Well, which I love, and they ca- catered all my food. But there's like a serious wellness vibe here.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 3:32 Um, but I check-

Joe Rogan 3:32 A lot of healthy people.

Gary Brecka 3:33 Yeah. A lot of healthy people. So I check into the Airbnb, and I, I go into the closet. Like the owner's closet wasn't, wasn't locked, and I went into the owner's closet. Of course, it's like all Cheerios and cookies and crackers, and I, I pulled a couple of bottles of these seed oils out. And I did a little post about it, because I was like, "Look at all the heart healthy labels on this."

Joe Rogan 3:53 Right.

Gary Brecka 3:53 And, and we, we talked about seed oils last time, but it's e- ... You know, and I, and I get attacked a lot for it, for saying that these polyunsaturated fatty acids are bad for you, but a lot of times, it's, it's actually not the, the plant itself. It's the distance from the plant to the table.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Right.

Gary Brecka 4:08 Right? You, you, you put-

Joe Rogan 4:09 Can you explain the ... 'Cause you were explaining the other day to us the process that, that it takes to turn rapeseed oil, which is what canola is.

Gary Brecka 4:17 First of all, it's called canola oil, Joe, if you-

Joe Rogan 4:18 (laughs) They, they decided that-

Gary Brecka 4:21 So funny.

Joe Rogan 4:21 ... rapeseed was problematic, so they changed it to canola oil. I always thought it was corn oil.

Gary Brecka 4:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:26 If corn's good for you, corn oil must be great for you.

Gary Brecka 4:28 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Oh. We're using canola oil. Cool.

Gary Brecka 4:30 Ah, peanuts.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Please explain, though, the process, 'cause it's so vile.

Gary Brecka 4:35 It's, it's insane. So, um, rapeseed, uh, canola is, you know, a plant. We ... Ess- essentially, you put it in a commercial press, and it will come out gummy. And so to de-gum it, you use something called hexane. And hexane, if you go to National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine, you'll see that that is a known neurotoxin. It's classified as a neurotoxin. Same as fluoride, right, which is actually fluorosilicic acid. We get to that later. But, uh, so, so we de-gum it with hexane, and then you take this de-gummed oil, and you heat it to 405 degrees, which turns it rancid. I mean, there's no mechanism on Earth for temperatures to reach that much, especially, uh, plants to encounter those kind of temperatures. So now it denatures. It turns rancid. So now you, um ... It's putrefied, and it smells. So now you have to deodorize it. So we de- deodorize it with sodium hydroxide. So we de-gum it with a powerful neurotoxin. We heat it to 405 degrees and turn it rancid, and then we deodorize it with a very powerful carcinogen.

Joe Rogan 5:34 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 5:34 And then in some cases, we bleach it and bottle it and put it on the shelf. You, you ever look at ... Go, go to the grocery store, and you, you see the entire-... grocery aisle, it's, it's all these, like Wesson oils or vegetable oils, but they're all exactly the same color.

Joe Rogan 5:48 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 5:48 Like exactly, they have that-

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 5:49 ... same beautiful, clear hue. That's not how anything occurs in nature.

Joe Rogan 5:52 They look super healthy.

Gary Brecka 5:54 You know?

Joe Rogan 5:54 No.

Gary Brecka 5:54 If you squeezed 10,000 watermelons into watermelon juice and put it all on the shelf-

Joe Rogan 6:00 It would vary a little bit.

Gary Brecka 6:01 ... they would vary a little bit.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 6:02 Um, but there's no variance there. And so this is a chemically controlled process, and they, and it's, you know, again, not, it's not back to the polyunsaturated fatty acids per se, it's these, it's the proinflammatory process that they cause in these foam cells and the, the inflammation in our arterial wall, which actually calls cholesterol to the site of inflammation. And we blame cholesterol for a lot of the heart disease, atherosclerosis, arterial sclerosis, because it's at the scene of the crime, but it, you know, rarely pulls the trigger. I mean, it's, cholesterol's kind of like a fireman, right? It, it, it gets called to the fire to put the fire out.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Right.

Gary Brecka 6:38 And so the theory that if we had fewer firemen, we'd have less fires, is kind of absurd.

Joe Rogan 6:45 Ugh.

Gary Brecka 6:45 Right? But that's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:46 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 6:46 That's the theory, that's the theory in LDL cholesterol. It's like-

Joe Rogan 6:50 That's a-

Gary Brecka 6:50 It might work in California. They would, they, I could see them-

Joe Rogan 6:52 Oh, God.

Gary Brecka 6:52 ... passing that legislation.

Joe Rogan 6:54 Yeah. Yeah.

Gary Brecka 6:54 You know what we need? We need less firemen. But, but, uh, you know, the, so the theory that if we push down the firemen, which was called to the site of inflammation, meaning we reduce the cholesterol, which was called to the site of inflammation to cause the repair, rather than ask what started the fire, that notion is about to be, I think, uh, blown out of the water by, by big data. I think you're gonna see big data, artificial intelligence, and early detection in the next five years are just gonna, gonna circumvent the entire system.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Do you think there's a possibility of removing food oils from the market?

Gary Brecka 7:31 I don't think they will ever replace-

Joe Rogan 7:33 Not food oils, excuse me, seed oils.

Gary Brecka 7:34 Yeah, seed oils. I, I don't think they will ever replace seed oils. I think it's-

Joe Rogan 7:37 Why not?

Gary Brecka 7:37 I think what's really interesting is, is the chemical processing. So an- another really good thing, and I'm helping to author this, this paper with, uh, with Kelly Means and, and a bunch of other folks, uh, to present to, to Bobby Kennedy in, in looking at the genesis of chronic disease. 'Cause if you just, and I know lots of people have talked about this on your show, so I won't belabor the point, but if you look at the spending of $4.5 trillion a year, right, on healthcare in the United States, and then you say, "Well, what do we lead the world in?" Well, as of December 6th, we were ranked 66th in the world in life expectancy. Um, we lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic disease in a single biome, meaning not just our population has multiple different chronic diseases, but multiple chronic diseases in the same, in the same body. Because most people don't just have one autoimmune disease or they're not just hypertensive and diabetic, they're hypertensive, diabetic, and hypothyroid with an autoimmune, usually multiple autoimmune. We lead the world in infant mortality, maternal mortality, um, and so you gotta ask yourself, how is $4.5 trillion a year in spending leading to these kinds of consequences? And very often, it's actually not the food, it's the distance from the food to the table. So it, it's not necessarily the plant, it's what we're doing to process these plants to get them on the table. And so I think what you're gonna see is these GRAS guidelines, generally regarded as safe, which is essentially how the FDA decides whether or not you can micro-poison the population. So we are allowed to micro-poison the population, right? We're allowed to put certain amounts of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, uh, preservatives, um, no-

Joe Rogan 9:15 That is a great way of putting it too, it's micro-poisoning.

Gary Brecka 9:17 Yeah, um, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:18 So that's really what's happening.

Gary Brecka 9:19 It's exactly what's happening. And, and, and a lot of experts will say the dosage determines the poison. And that's largely untrue when you talk about cumulative dose toxicity, meaning if I give you this sandwich and, uh, you know, this piece of tuna fish and it has a very small safe amount of lead or mercury, it's probably not gonna hurt you, right? But if you don't methylate that metal out of your body and you keep eating that same kind of fish, I mean, nobody got mercury poisoning from a single piece of tuna fish. What they got mercury poisoning from was continuing to eat the same thing over and over and over and over again and they got a cumulative dose toxicity, which is what a lot of foreign countries use. So in other words, I can't just say, if I put, you know, one drop of arsenic in this glass, is that, is that going to kill you? Eh, might make you mildly sick, cause an inflammatory process, maybe it's not gonna kill you. But if you drink one of those five times a day, seven days a week, now you're toxic. And that's what's happened to our country. We didn't get here quickly. We, we, we got here by slowly stacking these micro-poisons.

Joe Rogan 10:23 Right, but is it possible to change all of, like, whatev- whatever we use seed oil for, is it possible to swap that out for olive oil or beef tallow or...

Gary Brecka 10:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:35 I know there's some companies doing, like Masa makes these great, uh, tortilla chips-

Gary Brecka 10:40 Love Masa.

Joe Rogan 10:40 ... that are just organic corn-

Gary Brecka 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:43 ... tallow.

Gary Brecka 10:43 Organic corn, grass-fed beef, tallow-

Joe Rogan 10:44 They taste like it too. Like, you feel like you're eating food.

Gary Brecka 10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:48 You know? We talked about those Vandory chips too.

Gary Brecka 10:50 Yeah, Vandy.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Vandy, Vandy chips. I love those.

Gary Brecka 10:52 I do too. (laughs) I would actually have brought you some.

Joe Rogan 10:52 They're so good. It's just potatoes and beef tallow with a little salt.

Gary Brecka 10:57 Yup.

Joe Rogan 10:57 And they're fuck- ... And it tastes like food.

Gary Brecka 10:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Like when I eat them, I don't feel like a piece of shit.

Gary Brecka 11:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:01 Like if I, if I eat a bag of Doritos, I feel like a fucking loser.

Gary Brecka 11:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:05 You know, even while I'm eating them, I go, "Oh, you loser. Shut up." My partner says, "Shut up. These are delicious."

Gary Brecka 11:09 You shame yourself. You're like-

Joe Rogan 11:11 I do. I do.

Gary Brecka 11:11 ... "Joe, I'm so disappointed in you."

Joe Rogan 11:12 But isn't it possible to just replace those? Or would it require... Is it one of those things like, there, there's an issue with factory farming. Everybody thinks factory farming is disgusting.... when it comes to animals. Li- it's, it's vile-

Gary Brecka 11:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:25 ... what they do to chickens and pigs. But is it possible to give everyone cheeseburgers and food deserts without factory farming? Like, have we, have we gotten so far ahead of ourselves that we don't have sustainable regenerative agriculture as an option?

Gary Brecka 11:43 I don't think-

Joe Rogan 11:44 And-

Gary Brecka 11:44 ... so at all. No.

Joe Rogan 11:44 So you think that all the foods, all the salad dressings and all the french fries and all the things that are cooked in food oil, we have enough beef tallow, we have enough olive oil, we have enough avocado oil, that we could switch all those things out and everything would be great?

Gary Brecka 12:02 There is no question that we have the capacity to, to produce these, and we have the capacity to produce them now. I mean, a lot of these farms, uh, don't use the bones from these cattle, they don't use the hide from these cattle, they don't boil down the collagen from these cattles, and they certainly are not making the tallow from the fat, from, from the cattle that are being slaughtered.

Joe Rogan 12:19 So there's a lotta tallow that's going to waste-

Gary Brecka 12:21 A lot of tallow, a lot of-

Joe Rogan 12:22 ... that could be used for other purposes.

Gary Brecka 12:22 ... bone broth, a lot of, a lot of bones, a lot of cartilage-

Joe Rogan 12:25 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 12:25 ... um, you know, that, that's entirely going to waste. And, and if you look at a lot of countries, they will use the entire animal. They'll boil down the bones. They'll, they'll use the hide. They'll use the bone marrow and-

Joe Rogan 12:36 It's kinda crazy because there's a big market for bone broth. There's a big market for beef tallow.

Gary Brecka 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:42 Like, why wouldn't they ... I mean, they're just wasting money.

Gary Brecka 12:45 I think, I think you have the perception that there's a big market for it because you're kind of in the know. Right? You're probably in the, I hate to use this term, but woke 1%.

Joe Rogan 12:54 Oh, no. (laughs)

Gary Brecka 12:54 Right? And if you, if you wanna, you wanted to-

Joe Rogan 12:56 I, I, he's like, he called me woke. (laughs)

Gary Brecka 12:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:58 That sounds ... it used to be cool.

Gary Brecka 13:00 When I, when I mean woke 1%, I mean ... I, I h- I hate that word, woke. But-

Joe Rogan 13:04 Well, it's the ... you're using it the correct way, though. You're using it the way African-Americans used to use it. Black people used to call it woke like, "You're awake." I'm woke. You can't-

Gary Brecka 13:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:12 ... sneak that stupid shit by me-

Gary Brecka 13:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:14 ... I'm woke.

Gary Brecka 13:15 Right. I mean-

Joe Rogan 13:15 You know? And then the fucking white people took it over and ruined it, like a lot of things. (laughs)

Gary Brecka 13:19 (laughs) Exactly. Did we? Did we fuck that up too?

Joe Rogan 13:22 Not us. (laughs)

Gary Brecka 13:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 Not us.

Gary Brecka 13:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 But, uh, the ones with blue hair.

Gary Brecka 13:26 Yeah. Now, now woke means a whole different-

Joe Rogan 13:28 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 13:28 ... whole different ballgame.

Joe Rogan 13:29 Well, now it's essentially a pejorative. They can't even use it in a positive way. You know? It's ... that, that's-

Gary Brecka 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:34 ... beaten down, to the point where it's gross.

Gary Brecka 13:35 But I like it 'cause it's kinda like you can just be triggered about anything now so it's so convenient.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Yes.

Gary Brecka 13:39 You know? 'Cause I can really silence you if you start a- like, out intellectualizing me. I can, I can just be like, "Dude, you're, you're, you're triggering me."

Joe Rogan 13:46 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 13:46 "You're hurt- you're hurting my feelings."

Joe Rogan 13:48 You're triggering me with information.

Gary Brecka 13:50 Dude, d- I kid you not, I've never talked about this before. Yeah, I'm gonna probably gonna lose half of my audience, but-

Joe Rogan 13:54 No.

Gary Brecka 13:54 ... I, I, I was ... I went to Harvard University, um, for this thing, uh, this longevity summit through a very good friend of mine. I won't mention his name 'cause then I'll give away the event that I was at. I call my wife on day two and I was like, "Babe, I feel like I landed on Mars." I go, "I gotta get outta here." (laughs) And she goes, "What is going on?" I said, "I just listened to a panel of PhDs for four hours debate about whether or not a microaggression is something that could happen to you that you don't recognize-"

Joe Rogan 14:29 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 14:29 "... that was causing a microtrauma that the other person didn't realize they were doing, but it was still creating an unsafe environment."

Joe Rogan 14:37 I think there should be mandatory jujitsu classes for those people.

Gary Brecka 14:41 I was ... dude, I-

Joe Rogan 14:41 Mandatory jujitsu.

Gary Brecka 14:42 My head was so twisted when they-

Joe Rogan 14:44 Here's your microtrauma.

Gary Brecka 14:45 Yeah, when they passed the microphone to me, I got in so much trouble. Uh, and I won't say his last name, but Daniel. He's st- he's still mad at me right now f- because of this. They passed the microphone to me and they're like, "Wh- you know, do you have anything to add to the conversation?" I go, "This sounds like a bunch of people ... this whole, this whole panel up here, you guys sound like you boarded a spaceship and literally left Mother Earth, because I have no idea what you're talking about. You are talking about trying to identify something that you, by its very nature, say you don't know if you have it or you don't."

Joe Rogan 15:15 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 15:15 "So let's just admit that it's a ghost. So how are we gonna ... we can't measure it, we can't find it, we can't prove you have it, we can't prove you don't have it, so how are we gonna treat it?"

Joe Rogan 15:24 What's this culture of victimization-

Gary Brecka 15:26 (laughs) What ... it's so crazy.

Joe Rogan 15:26 ... and, and the monetization? It's like there's a, there's status in victimization. You know?

Gary Brecka 15:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:32 That, that's the thing. They've, they've essentially made it, like, a virtue to be a victim.

Gary Brecka 15:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:38 So you're looking for little things that have possibly ... I believe there was a microaggression. I believe he-

Gary Brecka 15:43 I, I think ... you know what? I think I felt it. I think-

Joe Rogan 15:44 Possibly rolled his eyes.

Gary Brecka 15:46 (laughs) Possibly rolled his eyes.

Joe Rogan 15:47 I mean, that is gonna haunt me. I need therapy now.

Gary Brecka 15:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:52 I think he might've rolled his eyes.

Gary Brecka 15:53 And that's absolutely acceptable.

Joe Rogan 15:55 That is microaggression, like maybe rolling your eye. Like, you say something to me and I go, "Okay," and then I leave. Oh my God, that was a microaggression.

Gary Brecka 16:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Like, what I just did, going, "Okay." That's a microaggression.

Gary Brecka 16:05 But here's the cool thing is you're kind of off the hook because if you didn't intentionally create the microaggression, I just perceived it as a microaggression-

Joe Rogan 16:12 Depends on who I am. If I'm a white s- heterosexual-

Gary Brecka 16:15 Oh, then yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:15 ... cis male-

Gary Brecka 16:16 (laughs) Then you're screwed.

Joe Rogan 16:17 ... I got problems.

Gary Brecka 16:18 Then you're screwed. So anyway, back to the food supply. We took a, took a U-turn there for a second. Um, y- y- what's really interesting is if you just take a very, uh, 30,000-foot view and you say let's, let's just look at the broad strokes in the Blue Zone research, right? There's no continuity between diets in these Blue Zones.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Right.

Gary Brecka 16:36 So it's not keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, h- um, you know, raw food, Atkins. It's, it's whole food, just what you were just saying. You know if you-

Joe Rogan 16:46 Whole food and a lot of healthy lifestyle.

Gary Brecka 16:48 Whole food and, well, the two things that were non- non-interchangeable were sense of purpose and community and activity until later in life. So you didn't have-

Joe Rogan 16:55 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 16:55 -- any of the Blue Zones where people didn't h- feel a sense of purpose and community in life. In fact, there were no, no such things as si- uh, assisted care living facilities. You know, the assisted care in those countries is mom and dad move back in with-

Joe Rogan 17:06 Right.

Gary Brecka 17:07 ... the kids until, until the day that they-

Joe Rogan 17:09 Right.

Gary Brecka 17:09 ... till the day that they die. And there's a lot to be said for that because maybe grandma's only purpose is to go out and get, um, vegetables for dinner that night, but she has a purpose.

Joe Rogan 17:20 And then she's a part of the community.

Gary Brecka 17:21 And she's also part of the community.

Joe Rogan 17:22 She's not locked up in a home with a bunch of people who don't really care about her.

Gary Brecka 17:25 Yeah. You know, we knew something in the, in the mortality space 'cause I, I used to study mortality, um-... and, uh, mortality research. And we knew that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half at any age, and I mean at any age, you put them in isolation.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 17:41 So as soon as you create isolation, you dramatically reduce, if not half the life expectancy. Now, later in life, we would call this broken heart syndrome-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Oh, wow.

Gary Brecka 17:52 ... uh, caregiver syndrome, and these were actually very valid syndromes. So if we actually were doing the, the life expectancy on an elderly spouse who was still applying for insurance, or we were looking at what's called a second-to-die claim on, on, on life insurance policy and one spouse had passed away, we would dramatically reduce the life expectancy of the second spouse. And the reason why that's important is I think that people don't realize that we are actually being isolated in plain sight, right? I mean, we are trying to create connection through our phones. We're trying to create connection through social media, and these are not human connections. In fact, you know, if you look at the rates of depression, suicide, suicidal ideation, obesity, um, you know, chronic mental illness, and I think we actually have a chronic lack of mental fitness, not necessarily a mental illness crisis in this country. And if you, if you look at the skyrocketing rates of these conditions and how they are creeping into younger and younger and younger generations, you got nine-year-olds being treated for depression now. All right? Um, so what, what's happening? What's happening is isolation in plain sight. You know, we, we don't problem solve anymore. We don't have communities with our friends anymore. We actually don't build social connections. We've lost our connection to, to mother nature, you know? That's why I like going out to my place in Colorado. It's probably like you, you like bow hunting and just-

Joe Rogan 19:09 Nature.

Gary Brecka 19:09 ... old school connection to mother nature and how freaking good do you feel?

Joe Rogan 19:12 Yeah, it's very, very good. I really wish I lived in nature. I'd really like to be living in the woods again.

Gary Brecka 19:18 I'm working on it, man. Well, you said you're trying to get, you know-

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 19:20 ... get something outside of town, like a range kinda-

Joe Rogan 19:22 I think that's the move. Yeah.

Gary Brecka 19:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:23 I think, I think nature's a vitamin. I really do. I, I think it's a mental health vitamin. I think there's something-

Gary Brecka 19:31 I do too.

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... about being in nature. There's a feeling you get, especially when your phone doesn't work, when you get out there and you look at your phone with like zero bars.

Gary Brecka 19:38 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:39 And you're out there in like real woods. It's just like whoo, you just feel better.

Gary Brecka 19:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:43 You just feel like more tuned in. You hear birds and branches snapping and things going on.

Gary Brecka 19:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Coyotes, and it's like, goddamn, it feels good.

Gary Brecka 19:51 We have this place in Colorado, um, my wife and I were... She's been going to for 35 years since she was a little, little girl. We, when we got together 10 years ago, she started bringing me and my family out there. And her, her father's got 10 acres, her, her uncle's got 10 acres, and then this 50-acre piece came on the market. So we, we, we bought it and we're building these old school, like really authentic log cabins on there. And I, I, I write about this all the time 'cause in Miami I have this really fancy place and I, I've got all this fancy equipment, you know, red light therapy beds, hyperbarics, hydrogen beds, all that stuff. But I'll go out to this Colorado home, put on a 20-pound rucksack. I know you do 150-pound rucksack so I feel like a complete pussy.

Joe Rogan 20:31 Most of the time I do 45.

Gary Brecka 20:32 Okay, good.

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Gary Brecka 21:35 That's man's weight.

Joe Rogan 21:35 Sometimes I do it and I carry two 50-pound kettlebells.

Gary Brecka 21:38 Oh, shit. (laughs) No, I really...

Joe Rogan 21:40 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 21:40 I'm not even telling the rest of my story.

Joe Rogan 21:41 These are just short bursts though.

Gary Brecka 21:43 They're integrated.

Joe Rogan 21:43 This is not like long distance, you know? It's just-

Gary Brecka 21:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:46 I just do it to tax my system.

Gary Brecka 21:48 Well, I, I do farmer's carries, but they, they-

Joe Rogan 21:50 I do that too. Yeah.

Gary Brecka 21:51 Yeah. Farmer's carries, I actually like that.

Joe Rogan 21:53 They're great. Well, that's what I mean by that.

Gary Brecka 21:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 I, I think farmer's carries, like suitcase carries are actually better. You know?

Gary Brecka 21:58 What? Close your teeth?

Joe Rogan 21:59 One hand. One hand.

Gary Brecka 22:00 Oh. Oh, one hand.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Yeah. Because then it makes you balance on the other side and then you swap it out to the other side.

Gary Brecka 22:05 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 22:05 It's a stabilization thing.

Gary Brecka 22:06 Yeah. Stabilize, stabilizing the spine.

Joe Rogan 22:07 I've heard from a lot of people that it's, it's-

Gary Brecka 22:09 Instead of just-

Joe Rogan 22:10 ... actually better.

Gary Brecka 22:10 Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me-

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 22:12 ... because, uh, you know, you're not just, you're not just load bearing the spine.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 22:16 Which is why I don't squat or anything.

Joe Rogan 22:16 But farmer's carries are amazing too. There's nothing wrong with it.

Gary Brecka 22:19 Yeah. And I do a lot of farmer's carries, but I'll put on this 20-pound rucksack, go out by myself, put a sidearm, you know, in my, in my, you know, vest and go out. Which is kind of funny, I took a picture of myself in the woods the other day, posted it on social media and I had a sidearm. People went bananas, uh, 'cause I had a gun. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:34 Yeah, you don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion.

Gary Brecka 22:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:36 It does happen.

Gary Brecka 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:37 It probably won't happen. But guess what? If I have a gun, it's not gonna happen.

Gary Brecka 22:41 I just feel... Yeah, it's never gonna happen if I have a gun.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Yeah. I just saw a fucking great video of a bow hunter who was being attacked by a mountain lion.

Gary Brecka 22:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:49 And the mountain lion is like creeping up on him slowly. He's like, "Hey, get back, get back, get back." And then you see the thing lock on him and start closing in and it's like 15 feet away. And then bang. And then you see the thing twitch and it's got a hole in its face.

Gary Brecka 23:02 Right. Uh, he, he was a bow hunter.

Joe Rogan 23:04 He shot it.

Gary Brecka 23:04 Oh, he, but he had a sidearm.

Joe Rogan 23:05 He had a pistol on him.

Gary Brecka 23:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Well, that's why he had a pistol on him.

Gary Brecka 23:07 Yes. It happens in Colorado. I mean, bear attacks. I mean...

Joe Rogan 23:09 It fucking happens.

Gary Brecka 23:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:11 Bear attacks are fairly rare in Colorado, you know?

Gary Brecka 23:13 It's only when you cross the... Apparently if you just come upon the cubs and the, and the mother, that's the issue.

Joe Rogan 23:18 The real issue is not the bears that are in Colorado though. The real issue is the bears in Wyoming and Montana.

Gary Brecka 23:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:24 They're brown bears. Brown bears are what you have to worry about. Black bears, not as much.

Gary Brecka 23:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:29 But, but occasionally, like a big black bear will, will go after people.

Gary Brecka 23:33 Yeah. But anyway, I take a sidearm and I'll, and I'll march around-

Joe Rogan 23:35 Sure.

Gary Brecka 23:35 ... in there, but, but when I'm done-... I feel like I took a limitless pill.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 23:40 It just sum- I totally agree with you. There's something out there. And I got this little squirrel, it's so funny, man. I g- I leave my house, he'll start climbing up in the woods. I have this little four-mile kind of trek, and there's a squirrel, I don't know if he'll be there th- this year, but every year that I go out there, he t- and he barks at me, right? And he kind of growls.

Joe Rogan 23:56 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 23:56 It doesn't sound like a squirrel. It sounds like a little bark. And then he chews acorns off and grabs them with both hands and throws them down on me.

Joe Rogan 24:03 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 24:03 (laughs) It's so funny. And he'll follow me from limb to limb, I shit you not. An- a- and I look forward to seeing him every day, like, I, uh, I feel like he's pissed off, maybe it's a sign of love, I don't know. We have to ...

Joe Rogan 24:14 He's definitely pissed off. He doesn't love you.

Gary Brecka 24:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:16 Yeah. Somebody probably hunted one of his family.

Gary Brecka 24:18 (laughs) We'll take a sidearm at...

Joe Rogan 24:20 You know, people do sh- hunt squirrels, you know? They eat them.

Gary Brecka 24:23 But, but in any case, man, I feel, I feel amazing. So, um... But, you know, you're, you're right that, you know, at some point, we have the capacity to replace these, um, these oils. We actually have a way to get th- uh, you know, back away from industrial farming and get back to local farming. You know, there, there's a... I have a very good friend named Alfie Ochs and he owns one of the, one of the more profitable grocery stores in America, it's in, it's in Naples, Florida, called, uh, Seed to Table. And he took me out by helicopter one time and we hopped around to a bunch of his organic fields. He's got thousands of acres in the middle of the state of Florida. And he showed me how he's not only able to grow produce, um, for less money than he would... Uh, organically, for less money than he would grow it if he had to use herbicides and, and pesticides and, and chemicals. He's able to pick it at nine o'clock in the morning and have it on the grocery store shelf by two o'clock in the afternoon, and I watched the whole process go down. Thousands and thousands of these acres. And, you know, whiteflies are the, the pest flies they're trying to avoid. Instead of spraying for these whiteflies, what they do is they just use this reflective cellophane, they run it down the rows and crops, and it creates this reflection (clears throat) and it scatters them into the woods. And so now the whiteflies are not eating the crops, there's no herbicide, there's no pesticide sprayed on these, there's no, no preservatives. His, his team picks this stuff by nine o'clock in the morning, it goes into a processing center, and by processing I mean it gets washed, that's it, and then it's on a truck and it's on the shelf by two o'clock in the afternoon. So you can grab a strawberry in this grocery store and eat it, and it was growing at 9:00 AM that morning. And there a- you know, there are mechanisms for us to do that. Yes, I get some, some stuff needs to be shipped and, and, and stored, um, but most regenerative farming practices are not only green and good for the environment, they're economically feasible. They actually make economic sense. And, you know, when he talks about the fact that we've been spraying some of these fields for so many decades with, or so many years with these, uh, herbicides and insecticides, that there is not a pest for, in some cases, hundreds of miles, but we are still spraying for those pests. It's like, you gotta start to question what the motivation is.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Gary Brecka 26:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Probably financial. And...

Gary Brecka 26:45 Probably financial. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah. And, you know, it's, w- we're talking about, you said something earlier interesting that you think it's not, that the, what was the term that you used? Uh, that it's not a mental health problem, it's a lack of mental strength?

Gary Brecka 26:59 Mental fitness.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Mental fitness.

Gary Brecka 27:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 27:02 Yeah, I mean, m- if you think about it...

Joe Rogan 27:03 You got any of those hydrogens?

Gary Brecka 27:04 Yeah, yeah. You want a hydrogen tablet?

Joe Rogan 27:06 I got... Come on. Come on. Is there a H2TAB?

Gary Brecka 27:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:08 I love these. I'm addicted.

Gary Brecka 27:10 I love these too. Yeah. Um, you know...

Joe Rogan 27:12 Explain to people what these are instead of...

Gary Brecka 27:14 So hydrogen gas, I mean, this is probably my favorite biohack in the world because it'll cost you about a dollar a day. Um, these are called H2TAB. Um, you can get them at drinkh2tab.com. You can actually read the science on it. I think there's two, two people in the world now, I mean, those that have read the science and take hydrogen gas, drink hydrogen water, and those that don't, um, or, or just haven't read the science. Because hydrogen gas, first of all, is a, it's, it's the lightest element in the universe. It's also the most prevalent element in the universe. 10% of your body weight is hydrogen. I think, in fact, if you took hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen, that's 96% of your mass. Okay? Those four, uh, elements. So hydrogen's about 10% of your body weight. And, and hydrogen is not just an antioxidant, it's a selective antioxidant. All right? So if you look at oxidative stressors like nitric oxide or superoxide or hydrogen peroxide, okay? So all of these, these, these oxidative stressors, they can be good in certain amounts. Like, you need a certain amount of nitric oxide, right? In your body. But, but too much nitric oxide is bad. Too much hydrogen peroxide, bad. Too much superoxide is bad. So if you were to take an antioxidant like vitamin C, um, and take very, very high doses of antioxidants, this can be very bad for you because you're suppressing too much oxidation in the body. You're actually suppressing these oxidative stressors too much. Hydrogen, on the other hand, uses the body's homeostatic process to suppress inflammation. So in other words, it, it, it works through something called the Nrf2 pathway. It, it affects a protein called Nrf2 which moves into the DNA, binds to the DNA, and then the DNA spits out the instructions for catalase, superoxide dismutase, and glutathione. So in other words, you're actually using the body's regulatory system to actually control inflammation instead of externally trying to control inflammation. And then, and the second thing it does is it, it targets the only oxidative free radical that I think all of the science points to as, as, uh, which is hydroxyl radical, uh, having no use in the body. So it selectively targets that and regulates the rest of the inflammatory process by using the body's homeostasis. So in... Just, I guess, a very long-winded way of saying (laughs) that hydrogen gas can go anywhere in the body, it reduces inflammation, improves circulation, improves memory. There's...... really interesting study published on, um, uh, the Journal of, uh, Experimental Gerontology, and it was published in November of 2021. Um, and most, you know, of these clinical research studies, they'll look at younger populations, like, healthier younger populations. But this actually looked at a six-month study on hydrogen water versus non-hydrogen water in 70-year-old and older folks, and they used something called TET2 to measure inf- uh, methylation. They measured cognitive function, sleep scores, sit-stand ratios, how well they're able to sit and stand, telomere lengths in their chromosomes. And, and the really fascinating thing about this study is it was done during COVID. So, these seniors were basically imprisoned, right? So, they were not mobile, um, and the only difference between the groups that they, that they controlled for was the presence of hydrogen water. At the end of the six-month period during the lockdown, the non-con- the control group had lost 11% in their telomeres. The non-control group had gained 4%. They had better short-term recall, better cognitive scores, um, uh, better circulation, improvement in cardiac markers, improvement in inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein. I think it's... I think it's the greatest biohack on earth. That, and, like, some sea salt and some amino acids, like, a perfect amino, I mean, just covering your bases. I think those are, those are your foundational basics for, for optimal health.

Joe Rogan 31:11 And it's, like, delicious.

Gary Brecka 31:14 Dude, it's so good.

Joe Rogan 31:15 It comes in good flavors.

Gary Brecka 31:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:15 And it's easy to drink. It's, like, a pain-free thing that you can do. Inexpensive.

Gary Brecka 31:21 You know, you can bathe in it too.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Really?

Gary Brecka 31:23 You can actually bathe in hydrogen gas. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:24 How many tabs you put in the water?

Gary Brecka 31:25 (laughs) You can, you can actually put h- oh, it's called a hydrogen bomb, which just looks like a big bath bomb. It just creates hydrogen gas. It's elemental magnesium.

Joe Rogan 31:32 What does it do for you when you bathe in it?

Gary Brecka 31:34 It goes right transdermal, goes right to the skin. So, remember, hydrogen is, is the smallest, lightest element that we know of, right? So it go, it will go right transdermal, and these, um... Hydrogen gas will form in between water molecules. So, a water molecule is H₂O, but hydrogen gas can actually exist outside of the water molecule. And when you put excess hydrogen gas into the water, it will go right transdermal. And, you know, I have two of these baths at my house. I never talk about it, like, on social media, so I'm, I guess I'm about to talk about it now. But, um, I have literally put people into these tubs, I'm, I'm kidding you not, crippled with arthritis, and they will skip out of my unit like they won the lottery. It's incredible. I mean...

Joe Rogan 32:18 So, transdermal reduction of inflammation in joints from these-

Gary Brecka 32:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:23 ... hydrogen bombs?

Gary Brecka 32:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:24 How long does it last?

Gary Brecka 32:25 Or from a hydrogen bath. You can get these, you can get these machines. I mean, one for your house is about 7,500 bucks, 8,000 bucks. Um, and they make, uh, some that make nanoparticles or nanobubbles, which are about 1/500 the diameter of a human pore. So, if you run these things on your face, it'll actually push all the sebum out of your skin. It'll get, get rid of dandruff, psoriasis, eczema. Um, if you have any kind of inflammatory condition like knees, hips, shoulder, rotator cuff, arthritis, low back, um, bathing in hydrogen gas can be one of the most therapeutic things that you do.

Joe Rogan 32:56 Really?

Gary Brecka 32:57 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 32:57 Can you add it to a cold plunge?

Gary Brecka 32:59 You can add it to a cold plunge, and what's interesting ab- about adding it to a cold... In fact, I use this Cold Life cold plunge, and I've got these guys, um, trying to see if we can incorporate the hydrogen gas into the cold plunge. So, where the, where the motor pulls the cold water out, it's gonna send it into a hydrogen generator and then push it back into the tub. Because as the temperature drops in water, you can saturate more gas. So, a, so, a 48-degree... Quo- quote me exactly on this. But a 48-degree cold plunge will hold about twice as much gas as 102-degree, you know, warm tub.

Joe Rogan 33:36 Mm.

Gary Brecka 33:36 So, if you were, like, t- just taking, like, a warm bath.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Right.

Gary Brecka 33:39 So, you're gonna be cold plunging for three to six minutes every day, or, you know, that's what you and I do. You might as well be in there with hydrogen gas. And so I'm, I'm, I'm working with these guys from Cold Life to see if we can plumb these, um, hydrogen generators. And basically it's... It, it creates the hydrogen gas by, by taking, um, distilled water and breaking distilled water apart and then throwing the gas into the water.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Hmm.

Gary Brecka 34:01 And it is noticeably different when you bathe in this gas or not. Like, I had Sean Ryan over to my house, um, for a podcast one time, and you know, he's all banged up from being a Navy SEAL, and you know, he's got nips and bibles all over his body, and he just thought it was really weird because I was like, "Dude, you got to get in my bathtub." (laughs)

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Gary Brecka 36:03 He's talked about it before.

Joe Rogan 36:04 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 36:04 Sean, big shout out, brother. Um, but he was like, he's like, "Dude, I...... "I just met you, man."

Joe Rogan 36:10 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 36:10 And I was like... I go, "No. It's, it's okay. I'm not gonna get in there with you."

Joe Rogan 36:15 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 36:15 All right? Uh, "I'll sit on the chair outside the tub." He's like, "This freaks me out a little bit, I'm gonna be honest with you." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:21 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 36:22 I said, "Dude." I gave him a pair of shorts. So, uh, 'cause I was like, "Do you h- does anything on your body hurt? Do your, you know, your knees, your hips, your shoulders, does anything hurt?" And he's like, "Dude, fucking everything in my body hurts." So, I was like, "Get in there, man." And, um, I put him in there for 25 minutes. He said it was like the first time he had slept eight hours and woken up ni- without pain in probably 15 years.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Wow.

Gary Brecka 36:44 Yeah. Jon Jones, same thing, you know. I mean, Jon Jones has been very public about, uh, when I, w- you know, w- working with me. I've be- I, I've been t- talk to him a little while, but right before his last fight, um, I brought him one of these hydrogen machines to bathe in. Uh, and we just set up the, the, the tub at his house, and we ran hydrogen gas into the tub. So he would do red light therapy. Um, he would drink hydrogen water, and, um, and he would bathe in this, uh, hydrogen gas. And it was about 15 or 20 days after I kind of parachuted into his camp and, and, uh, and set all this up that he texts me and he was like, "Holy shit, brother, I can't believe I'm, you know, I'm out of pain. I'm adding a sixth day to my training routine."

Joe Rogan 37:27 Wow.

Gary Brecka 37:27 "Um, I'm waking up not in pain. You know, I'm sleeping better." Um, so it's, it's really incredible what hydrogen gas can do in the body and it don- and don't take my word for it. I mean, there's, there, there actually is a really interesting study b- published by Dr. LeBaron, Tyler LeBaron. He's a PhD, uh, and he act- I think his PhD is in molecular hydrogen. So, I should tease him about where his life went wrong that he got a PhD in hydrogen, but... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:52 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 37:52 Like, where, where did you bang a left that you decided, "I'm going to get a PhD in hydrogen"? But he published a study looking at, um, uh, electrolyzed alkaline water. Um, and, and when they removed the hydrogen gas, all of the benefits of, of alkaline water went away. So the benefits from alkaline water are coming from the excess presence of hydrogen gas, and, um, even when you add hydrogen gas to regular water, it will drop the ORP. It will make the oxidative reduction potential negative. So it, it, you know, has more of a capacity to donate, uh, electrons. So I just think it's a d- a phenomenal discovery and it's dirt, it's dirt cheap.

Joe Rogan 38:39 When you were telling me that these bottles, water bottles that generate hydrogen, they're great in the beginning, but that over time they deteriorate. Does this, would this same issue happen with the hydrogen generators that you would use for the cold plunges?

Gary Brecka 38:53 Um, you know, they're a lot more robust. They're a commercial generator, so they're, they're not actually working under pressure, so the water flows through these. So, a lot of the ways that you, um, create high part per million hydrogen gas in, in these, um, water bottles. And, and I, I actually just won, I'm about to, to, (laughs) to, uh, put a press release out about it. I actually just won a $16 million civil judgment against a, a, a fake hydrogen water bottle company that used my name, image and likeness to run, uh, a bunch of ads and sold tens of millions of dollars in these bottles. Um, but essentially what, at the bottom of these bottles there's something called a proton exchange membrane. And this proton exchange membrane comes in contact through, with the, with the water through, through electrolysis, and it creates the hydrogen gas. The problem with these bottles is that this electrolysis process, if you put tap water in there and use chlorine, can actually create chlorine gas. Um, you can also create something called hypochloric acid. Um, so what happens is over time, the bottles that I tested, because I used to be a huge fan of these bottles, um, and I carried them everywhere. And I would notice that they, that it didn't bubble as much, you know, four or five months after I, I, you know, had this, had the bottle. And so I sent it to a, uh, be tested, and lo and behold, um, you know, these proton exchange membranes break down over time. So the first time you use the bottle, you're getting f- very high part per million hydrogen, but four or five months later you're getting almost none. Maybe six months later you might be getting zero in some of them.

Joe Rogan 40:23 Could you just swap out the membrane and continue to use the same bottle, or would you have to get a new bottle?

Gary Brecka 40:26 Yeah, but they don't, they don't send, they don't send you a new proton exchange membrane. Now, some of them you can screw off the bottom and they theoretically could send it to you, but, but they're expensive. They're like 250, 300 bucks. I mean, a, uh, an, an H2 tab, like a hydrogen tablet will cost you a buck a day.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Right, and also-

Gary Brecka 40:42 And, and you can travel with it.

Joe Rogan 40:43 ... and it gives you more.

Gary Brecka 40:44 And it gives you a higher part per million than almost all those bottles, and it's consistent. It's high, it's high dose hydrogen gas that's exactly consistent.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 40:53 So every single time I put one of those tablets in the water, it's just, it's a consistent dose of hydrogen gas, and I used to get a lot of shit online because I was promoting these bottles so heavily 'cause I believed in them, um, tremendously. But, you know, the average person's like out of pocket 250, 300 bucks.

Joe Rogan 41:09 Right.

Gary Brecka 41:10 So.

Joe Rogan 41:10 So this is a lot more financially cost-effective.

Gary Brecka 41:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 So with the cold plunge thing, you're saying so because it's a commercial unit, it would work differently and it'd be more robust?

Gary Brecka 41:20 Well, it's not using pressure.

Joe Rogan 41:22 Okay.

Gary Brecka 41:22 Right? It's, so it's, it's circulating through this machine and it's creating, you know, u- using electrolysis and creating the hydrogen gas going back into the tub, because you don't need... You're, you're not trying to drink a therapeutic dose, you're trying to bathe in a dose. You don't need as high part per million, so you don't need the pressure. But the really cool thing is, because if you do it in a cold plunge, um... And when I pull this off, I'll send you one. Uh, if you do it in a cold plunge, because, you know, as the, as the temperature drops, the more, you know, you can, you can do- dissolve more gas in that volume of liquid. So ideally, you would have the hydrogen generator outside of your cold plunge, let your cold plunge run and fill with hydrogen gas, and then you, you're getting in there for the anti-inflammatory response anyway a lot of times, plus the brown fat activation and cold shock protein release and all the peripheral vasoconstriction and all of that. But...... you would now be exposing yourself to, um, very high doses of, of hydrogen gas. You'd feel amazing getting out of there.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 42:23 When I, when I bathe in that hydrogen gas ... So my wife, Sage, um, had a really bad car accident right, right before we met 10 years ago, and she, um, severely, uh, damaged her spine, her, her L5-S1 and ended up having to have a spinal fusion. And so her L5-S1 is, is fused, and even though she's thin, she's fit, she, she, uh, gets a lot of low back pain, and when her back pain flares up, there's no chance she's sleeping. But when we put her into that hydrogen nano bath, I mean, 25 minutes in there, she sleeps like a little baby. And it's very calming too. It's that, shifting you from that sympathetic state, that kind of fight or flight, to that parasympathetic state of rest and digest. You can feel that if- the effects of that hydrogen gas when it goes transdermal and starts to relax you, you know, it feels, it feels good.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Well, it seems like the more effective way is to do it in a warm tub though, because you can stay in there for longer, so you'd get more exposure.

Gary Brecka 43:21 Well-

Joe Rogan 43:21 So you would get ... You would get less hydrogen, but more exposure than the three-minute cold plunge?

Gary Brecka 43:26 Yeah, I mean, I, I, I ... This is where, you know, I, I, I'd like to see some data, which I don't have. So I do know that if you ... If the water is colder, you're gonna, you're gonna dissolve more gas, 'cause you're ... So you're gonna have a higher part per million in cold water than you are in warm water. But then you got to look at what's happening in warm water. You're probably having s- your pores are dilated, you've got a little vasodilation, you probably have better surface circulation in your skin, so you might be actually carrying more of the hydrogen through the skin. I don't know. Um, versus when you're in a cold plunge, you're gonna have that peripheral vasoconstriction.

Joe Rogan 43:55 Right.

Gary Brecka 43:56 You're still gonna get hydrogen through the skin, 'cause it's a higher, it's a higher dose, um, but I don't have any clinical data to say that one is better than the other you can definitely feel-

Joe Rogan 44:05 Have you done the cold plunge?

Gary Brecka 44:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Hydrogen?

Gary Brecka 44:08 Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, I ...

Joe Rogan 44:09 You did it with a bath bomb?

Gary Brecka 44:11 I did it ... I didn't do it with a bath bomb, I did it with the, the one in my, uh, house that ... Actually have three of these machines. Um, I did it with the one in my house that recirculates it. You throw a hose over one side, and, and it sucks the water out of your cold plunge, and then you, uh, throw a hose over the other side and it puts the hydrogen gas back in.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Well, how long does the process take to hydrogenate-

Gary Brecka 44:31 I let it, I let it run for like 15 or 20 minutes, 'cause I wanted it to be really saturated.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 44:35 And the water looks kind of milky. In fact, I did it ... Um, I had Lara Trump over for, uh ... W- we shot this Fox News, uh, uh, event on her ... Or for her show, for her Lara Trump show, and, and I f- did it for us to do this cold plunge shoot (laughs) . Um, I added the hydrogen gas to the, to the cold plunge just before we got in there. It felt amazing getting out of there. Now I'm trying to actually plumb it right into the cold plunge so it's just in line, so it just runs either all the time or I can turn a valve and turn the hydrogen gas on and have the gas go into the-

Joe Rogan 45:10 Hm.

Gary Brecka 45:10 ... go into the cold plunge.

Joe Rogan 45:11 So that's the next thing. But right now, for people, you can just go get these hydrogen bath bombs?

Gary Brecka 45:17 You can get these hydrogen bath bombs-

Joe Rogan 45:19 And where, where would you get one of those?

Gary Brecka 45:20 Um, drinkh2tab-

Joe Rogan 45:22 Oh, so you have them?

Gary Brecka 45:23 Drinkh2tab.com.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Okay. All right.

Gary Brecka 45:25 Yeah, if you go there, you can get the bath bomb. I mean, try it. I mean, just throw one of those bath bombs in there, and, and feel how much different your body feels when you're bathing in hydrogen gas. It's, it's incredible. Um, I, I, I really feel like it is one of the best hacks that so few people are using.

Joe Rogan 45:46 (laughs) .

Gary Brecka 45:46 I mean, so many people are anti-inflammatory, so many people are suffering from inflammation, not just neural inflammation in the brain, um, but non-specific markers of inflammation like C-reactive protein, homocysteine, that are causing all kinds of havoc. I mean, you think about the fact that about 70% of our circulation is, is not done by our heart. Right? Our heart circulates about 30% of the blood in our body, but the other 70% of the circulation is, is a ... is an activity called vasomotor or vasomotion. Right? Think of a snake swallowing a, a mouse. And we don't really cater to this part of our circulatory system even though-

Joe Rogan 46:21 Explain what you're saying. Wha- a snake swallowing a mouse? What's he mean?

Gary Brecka 46:24 So, so, so think of a snake ... So, so if the heart doesn't circulate roughly (clears throat) 70% of the blood in our body, um, how is that circulation occurring? 'Cause obviously blood is still moving. You have about 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body. Um, and so there is ... Your heart is not strong enough in a single contraction, your left ventricle, your heart, that's ejecting that blood, is not strong enough to push the blood through 63,000 miles of vessel. And so how does the majority of this circulation occur? Well, the majority of our circulation is microvascular. Right? So the microvascular circulation does not move blood by pressure, it moves blood by something called vasomotion or vasomotor. And the best way I can describe vasomotion or vasomotor is to think of a snake swallowing a mouse. And the reason why I say that is because there's no pressure coming in th- the, the front of the snake. Right? It's not, it's not being pushed down the snake's-

Joe Rogan 47:27 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 47:27 ... throat, it's being muscularly moved down the snake's throat. So it's a wave-like motion. Right? It's a ... It's this, um, uh, wave-like motion called vasomotor or, or, or vasomotion. And vascular laxity, how ... The laxity that's in your vessels matters, your blood viscosity matters, and inflammation matters. This is why when you look at the percentage of high blood pressure diagnoses, for example, if you were to just Google, "What percentage of hypertension, primary hypertension, essential hypertension, um, or, you know, uh, uh, high blood pressure is idiopathic," right? "Of unknown origin," you'd see that 85% of all high blood pressure, hypertensive diagnoses, are idiopathic. We don't know the origin. And-... so we examine these people's heart, EKG, EEG, um, heart sounds, lung sounds, maybe a dye contrast study, maybe a CT angiogram, maybe a, you know, some other kind of, uh, diagnostic heart imaging. We can't find anything wrong with the heart and we medicate the heart anyway, generally for a crime it's not committing, when there's an 85% chance it's actually something other than the heart, and we never look to the microvascular circulation. We never look to the 70% of our circulation that's actually not done by our heart. What are we doing to cater to that 70% of our circulation? Well, um, things like resveratrol, uh, hydrogen gas, um, lowering our homocysteine, which is, for most people is very simple to do. I use an amino acid called trimethylglycine, um, uh, to, to, to help people metabolize homocysteine because th- those microvasculature is very susceptible to high levels of homocysteine. And there's so many people that have, um, ailments that are consequences of poor circulation, and we're treating something completely different. So for example, um, poor focus and concentration, um, um, uh, lo- lots of autoimmune conditions. If you look at the circulation in the brain, liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, you'll see that the majority of this circulation is microvascular. You know, I- I've talked about why, why you and I both had a positive experience, for example, with red light. Um, what is red light doing to our eyes? Is it fixing the rods, the macula, the cones, the retina? Was there something damaged that red light fixed? No, it just restored healthy vasomotor activity to the back of your eye, which is why I never wear protection in a, in a red light bed. Now am I saying a red light bed is gonna cure your eyesight? No. (laughs) Oh no, I'm getting, I'm getting so beat up for that. But red light therapy is extraordinarily good for vasomotor circulation. Why, why do you think it improves your skin, the collagen, elastin, the fibrin? Why do you think it reduces fine lines and wrinkles? Why does it improve, um, why can it improve, uh, our eyesight? Because it restores healthy vasomotor activity, and there's so much microvasculature in our body that we don't really cater to this entire segment of our circulatory system. Think about how small a, uh, capillary, an artery has to be to carry a fluid to the edge of the lung, exchange a gas with the inside of the lung, pull that gas into the fluid and not bleed into the lung. So just think about how s- how tiny that tube has to be, and how many of those you have to have, 'cause d- forget, right outside of your lungs you got fluid. Those alveoli are grabbing, uh, grabbing gas and throwing that into a fluid. Well, at some point, that pipe has to meet a piece of tissue. How is it not bleeding into that tissue? It is that small, and it's microvascular. Um, this is also where hydrogen gas comes into play. Uh, so, um, I don't know where I was going with that point, but (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 51:06 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 51:07 ... um, I just find it fascinating that we've got so many things that we can do to cater to a lot of these ailments that people chalk up to a consequence of aging, and they could be as simple, um, as catering to that portion of your, your circulatory system.

Joe Rogan 51:21 It would be so fascinating to run a study, a long-term study on twins, identical twins, and have one person just eat the standard American diet and the other person-

Gary Brecka 51:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:30 ... follow all these protocols, hydrogen gas, fitness, healthy food, no seed oil, no drinking, and just see-

Gary Brecka 51:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:39 ... what, what do they look like after 20 years-

Gary Brecka 51:42 10 years.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 51:42 Yeah, or 20 years.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 51:43 20 years would be wild.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Wild. Yeah.

Gary Brecka 51:44 Be like sending one of them to space, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:46 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 51:46 And, and, and it's so funny 'cause, uh, you know, we're so wrapped around our medical system that's really 50, 60 years old, 70 years old in how important a randomized clinical trial is, and placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial that's been peer reviewed and- and all of this. But we negate the Eastern philosophies that very often have been around for thousands of years. And I almost have more, lend more validity to something that's actually stood the test of time, like something that doesn't work is not gonna last 1,000 years, um, you know, by, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't work. When we were s- when we were in the mortality space, we never used randomized clinical trials. We used big data. And I think what you're about to see now that I was alluding to before is, we built an entire system on, you know, the- the most rigorous scientific study being the randomized clinical c- you know, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial. And so that is the gold standard and if it hasn't been through this process, it is not valid. Well, we've never done randomized clinical trials on, on parachutes. But I wouldn't jump out of an airplane without one, right? (laughs) Who wants, who wants to be in that, uh, who wants to be in the control group?

Joe Rogan 52:59 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 52:59 Okay, Stan?

Joe Rogan 53:01 Yeah.

Gary Brecka 53:01 You line up here. Um, you're getting a knapsack and a prayer book, and we're getting a parachute.

Joe Rogan 53:06 That's a very good point.

Gary Brecka 53:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:08 It's a very good point for, there's some things you really can't run randomized controlled s- studies on.

Gary Brecka 53:12 Yeah, I mean, sometimes we just have data, right?

Joe Rogan 53:15 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 53:16 We have really good data. And, and, and one of the things I used to get just absolutely slaughtered for was I spoke out about the- the simple LDL hypothesis of cholesterol saying that there is no correlation between elevated levels of LDL cholesterol on its own and cardiovascular disease. You had to have corresponding increases in triglyceride, you had to have inflammatory factors, usually had to have other metabolic s- uh, factors like, um, hypertriglyceridemia, uh, hyperinsulinemia. And, um, um, and, and yet everybody w- you know, would really come after me for that, and now we're starting to see that the data on statins is really falling apart, you know? I mean, big data is starting to tell us that the- the extension of life is- is near zero...... um, but the extension of all cause mortality is near zero. And then the complications downstream which we never study, I mean, you'll never find a randomized clinical trial looking at more than one pharmaceutical compound in the same biome, yet almost everybody at the age of 60 is on five or more prescriptions.

Joe Rogan 54:26 True.

Gary Brecka 54:26 But we don't study prescriptions in, uh, in concert with one another. We study them independently. We say, "Okay, if you have high cholesterol, you're on a statin," okay, that's independent. "If you have, um, you know, your hemoglobin A1C is over 6.4, you're now insulin dependent. Okay, so now you're on insulin. And you've been a little sad lately, so now you're on a SSRI. Um, and your thyroid ha- is, uh, hypofunction, so now you're also on a Synthroid or levothyroxine or Armor Thyroid. Um, and, you know, your blood's gotten a little thick because you're on hormone therapy, so now you are on a blood thinner." S- we've never studied the compounding effect of all of these different pharmaceuticals in the same biome. We just assume that the randomized clinical trial in these independent silos is valid even though we're gonna smack all of these things together.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Mm.

Gary Brecka 55:17 And one of the things that we learned in the mortality space was, um, the more pharmaceuticals you were on, the easier it was for us to predict your life expectancy. It was extraordinarily accurate. For example, if somebody started a corticosteroid, which is very common for rheumatoid arthritis and, um, you know, other forms of joint pain and whatnot, if you started a corticosteroid, you had, by our data, six years and one day until you were getting a joint replacement.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Jesus.

Gary Brecka 55:48 Six years and one day. So-

Joe Rogan 55:50 That's the average?

Gary Brecka 55:51 That was the average. So let's say, for example, that-

Joe Rogan 55:55 Well, why is that?

Gary Brecka 55:56 Because initially, corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory, but then they eat the joint like a termite.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Oh, God.

Gary Brecka 56:02 Um, and, you know, we knew this in professional sports, and a lot of careers were ended early b- from cortisone injections. Um, you know, a lot of athletes had their careers actually end early because they got too many, too many cortisone injections.

Joe Rogan 56:12 How many is too many?

Gary Brecka 56:14 Um, you know, it sort of depends on the joint and the, and the, and the location, but I would say-

Joe Rogan 56:17 One of them can be beneficial?

Gary Brecka 56:19 One of them can be d- very beneficial for... In the acute phase of, of pain or injury, they can be very beneficial. But what they used to do is, because these were repetitive use injuries, and, um, you know, very often they would just dose the athlete up before a game, so... I mean, Joe Theismann, I mean, not Joe Theismann, um, um, Joe Montana, uh, you know, he's one of those careers that ended early very likely because of cortisone injections. And you keep injecting the same ligamentous tissue with cortisone, eventually you will weaken that tissue and it will snap, you know. At first, it has an anti-inflammatory, um, reaction, but then it starts to break down the cartilage like, like a termite. I- in fact, it was so accurate that very often what would happen is people would get misdiagnosed with conditions like rheumatoid because they had the same symptomatology as rheumatoid, but what they actually had was a long-term clinical deficiency in vitamin D3. And, and you would see that they would have single-digit vitamin D3 for decades, and then all of a sudden, they would start to present with symptoms that mimicked rheumatoid. They would say, "Hey, Doc, you know, my soles of my feet and ankles are sore when I get out of bed in the morning, uh, to go take my first pee. My, um, I feel like I had a workout the night before when I haven't. You know, my low back hurts, and then my, my knees and hips and shoulders are stiff. Now it's spread to my upper back. And lately, it's kind of hard to make a really tight fist." Well, if you give those symptoms to the wrong primary care doctor, um, maybe without doing any, any confirming diagnosis, without sed rates, without RA factors, they go, "You know what, Joe? You've got rheumatoid arthritis. But don't worry, I'm gonna put you on something called a corticosteroid. You're gonna take this pill every morning, and you're gonna be fine." Methotrexate, whatever it is. And initially you feel great because it ch- kills the inflammation, but then it starts to erode the cartilaginous surface. So if you think about the fact that you had a nutrient deficiency that you're now being treated f- with a pharmaceutical, and six years and one day later... Now by the way, the methotrexate, for example, will give you a gene mutation. It will mimic a gene mutation called MTHFR.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Oh, that one.

Gary Brecka 58:30 That one.

Joe Rogan 58:31 That's the bad one.

Gary Brecka 58:31 The motherfucker gene, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Motherfucker gene.

Gary Brecka 58:32 Yeah, the motherfucker gene. So even if you don't have MTHFR, um-

Joe Rogan 58:38 Want to try one of those?

Gary Brecka 58:39 Yeah, I might, I might as well try it. Um, even if you don't have MTHFR, if you take methotrexate, you inhibit your, your folate metabolism.

Joe Rogan 58:48 Cheers.

Gary Brecka 58:49 Cheers, bro. No hydrogen gas, no coffee.

Joe Rogan 58:55 (sighs) I actually saw you sniffing something on one of your podcasts-

Gary Brecka 58:57 Stone salts?

Joe Rogan 58:58 ... with Theo Von. What was that?

Gary Brecka 58:59 I don't, I don't wanna do it, by the way.

Joe Rogan 59:00 If you could do it-

Gary Brecka 59:01 Uh, no, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 59:01 ... Jamie shuck one over there.

Gary Brecka 59:02 No, no, no, no, no (laughs) . I've opened it up the wrong time.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Give him a freshie. Give Jimmy a freshie.

Gary Brecka 59:05 I'm not doing it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:06 Here we go.

Gary Brecka 59:07 I just see all this shit over here.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Oh, this is a fresh one, so this one hasn't been opened yet.

Gary Brecka 59:11 What is that? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:11 This is, uh, do you know who Jujimufu is? He's crazy-

Gary Brecka 59:15 Jujimufu? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:16 Yeah, super cra- well, he's an influencer, but he's like ve- very impressive athlete. He's like super jacked, unbelievably fit guy-

Gary Brecka 59:22 Dude, if you got a name like Jujimufu, you gotta be able to beat ass.

Joe Rogan 59:26 ... incredibly flexible. This is the guy.

Gary Brecka 59:28 Oh yeah, I've seen him.

Joe Rogan 59:29 He's a freak, like a real freak.

Gary Brecka 59:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:31 I mean, for sure he's not natural. There's not a fucking chance in hell, but I don't care. But what, uh, he makes this stuff. Uh, we have no affiliation with him. We buy it. It's not... We're not sponsored, so people-

Gary Brecka 59:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:42 ... "Oh, you're making money off that, bro?"

Gary Brecka 59:44 Make money off-

Joe Rogan 59:45 No, no, I'm not making money off that shit.

Gary Brecka 59:46 Dude, I'm scared, dude. I saw Theo Von-

Joe Rogan 59:47 If you're scared-

Gary Brecka 59:48 ... almost, almost like-

Joe Rogan 59:49 ... Brian Simpson took his headphones off and ran out of the room. (laughs)

Gary Brecka 59:52 No, dude-

Joe Rogan 59:52 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 59:52 ... I'm not getting anywhere (laughs) near that. No.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Oh, this is a good one.

Gary Brecka 59:57 I'm gonna t- I'm gonna s-

Joe Rogan 59:58 Oh, God. Just the bag.

Gary Brecka 59:58 I'm gonna sniff it with the top on if it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Just the bag.

Gary Brecka 1:00:01 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Ugh, and it's sealed.

Gary Brecka 1:00:01 Give me the bag. I'll do the bag.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Just take a sniff of the bag. Ugh.

Gary Brecka 1:00:07 This is so wrong.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 It is wrong.

Gary Brecka 1:00:08 I feel so dirty.Oh, my God! Dude!

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 That's nothing. That's nothing. That's just the bag that the smelling salts have been sniffed in.

Gary Brecka 1:00:15 Oh! Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 So what powerlifters do is they take a sniff of this shit-

Gary Brecka 1:00:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 ... right before they lift weights. You ready? Here we go.

Gary Brecka 1:00:23 No. (laughs) I'm not... There's zero chance in hell.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Oh, ho, ho. Whoo!

Gary Brecka 1:00:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Oh, lordy.

Gary Brecka 1:00:33 Dude, there is-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Come on, bro.

Gary Brecka 1:00:34 ... zero chance I'm doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Get on in. Get on in, bro. Come on, reach forward.

Gary Brecka 1:00:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Peer pressure. Take a, get about six inches from the nose, (sniffs) take a haul. (sniffs) It's good for you.

Gary Brecka 1:00:44 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 I can't guarantee it's good for you.

Gary Brecka 1:00:46 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 No, no, no. That was nothing.

Gary Brecka 1:00:47 Yo, that got me, dude. That came in from the bottom.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Oh, you're such a baby. Come on, you're a biohacker. You're a real man. Get in there. Take a sniff. Real sniff.

Gary Brecka 1:00:51 Yeah, I'm a real man. I don't do this shit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Get in there. Get in there, bro. Get in there. One, two, three, go. Sniff.

Gary Brecka 1:00:58 Oh!

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Gary Brecka 1:00:59 Oh, God. The eye.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 (sings) That's what I'm talking about.

Gary Brecka 1:01:04 (laughs) Right, my eye.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Let's go. And that was a s- a freshie.

Gary Brecka 1:01:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 The fresh ones are the really hard ones. We have these in the green room at the comedy club. People get addicted. They're all-

Gary Brecka 1:01:13 I think I-

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 They're all taking sniffs before they go on stage.

Gary Brecka 1:01:14 ... I think I lost sight in my left eye. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Yeah, it'll come back better. Come back stronger. I have no data to support that, by the way.

Gary Brecka 1:01:20 (laughs) I have nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 (sighs)

Gary Brecka 1:01:21 Now I'm gonna go down the rabbit hole of that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 You want, you're gonna want another one in about five minutes.

Gary Brecka 1:01:26 I do, I prefer my hydrogen water.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 About five minutes, you're gonna say, "Lemme-"

Gary Brecka 1:01:27 There's... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 "... give me round two." Yeah. We're actually- Who knows?

Gary Brecka 1:01:32 Something important. Methotrexate?

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Anyway, I wanted to, I did-

Gary Brecka 1:01:34 MTHFR, I think?

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Um, I did want to ask you about cholesterol, before I forget.

Gary Brecka 1:01:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Um, where did the, uh, narrative come from that there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and that HDL is good, LDL's bad, you want to lower your LDL and you want to take a statin? Where did all this... ?

Gary Brecka 1:01:51 So, um, so, y- you know, high density lipoprotein and low density lipoprotein, (clears throat) um, you know, it, the HDL, the high density lipoprotein's generally considered the good, um, cholesterol, and the LDL, the low density or VLDL, very low density lipoprotein, are considered the bad cholesterol, 'cause they're softer, right? Um, but what, what we know now is that the size of the cholesterol molecule matters a lot. In other words, these, the smaller the particulate size of cholesterol, the easier it is to cross into the arterial wall. It gets even, eaten by macrophage and it, it forms something called a foam cell, which is essentially this, this... Foam cell process of oxidized cholesterol is what is the genesis of narrowing of the arteries. Right? Um, but again, we have to remember that cholesterol is called to the site of inflammation. So, if you had two people, one with cholesterol of 100 in LDL cholesterol, and another one with cholesterol of 129, um, does the person with 129 have a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease? No. Um, does the per- does the person with 129 have a greater risk of, um, a cardiovascular event? No, just because they have elevated LDL cholesterol. Now, if you start to look at other markers, like C-reactive protein, which is a great marker for cardiovascular risk, if you look at h- um, triglyceride/cholesterol ratio... Because remember, fat, triglyceride, is largely transported around the body on, on the, on the surface of cholesterol. So if, if cholesterol was a tennis ball, the fuzzy yellow surface would be a fat, triglyceride. And if you remember from high school geometry, as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio goes up. So what that means is if I had two basket... Dude, I can still... That thing is...

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 1:03:42 I gotta s- I gotta seal this thing, dude. It's like...

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 1:03:45 I'm gonna go blind in my left eye.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 1:03:47 I'm trying to be smart and I can't see out of my left eye.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Uh...

Gary Brecka 1:03:50 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 (laughs)

Gary Brecka 1:03:52 Dude, th- what is it?

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 That's a good question.

Narrator 1:03:55 Ammonia.

Gary Brecka 1:03:56 Ammonia?

Narrator 1:03:56 Sodium hyposalt.

Gary Brecka 1:03:57 Ugh, it's no joke, man. I remember, I remember my f-

Narrator 1:04:01 (sniffs) .

Gary Brecka 1:04:01 ... my clinic when Dr. Sardi used to tape these things to the wall, because she would do, she would do these shoulder injections on people and they would get woozy, and she would just crack one of those smelling salts and they'd come right back.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Yeah, they used to use them for boxers when they got knocked out. When they got rocked and they'd get into the corner, they'd give them smelling salts and they'd wake right up.

Gary Brecka 1:04:16 Yeah. Well...

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Not really, but...

Gary Brecka 1:04:18 So let's say you had two basketballs of cholesterol.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 1:04:20 This is an oversimplified version-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Okay.

Gary Brecka 1:04:21 ... for the audience, but, a- y- you have two basketballs of cholesterol and they, and th- and they're covered in fat, okay, or triglyceride. And let's say I add more triglyceride to the bloodstream, right? Which, which happens when you eat high sugar, high glycemic carbohydrate. Why? Because part of insulin's role is, is to block forms of energy metabolism that would allow you to, uh, burn fat, um, or at least slow those pathways down. So essentially, you have two, two basketballs of cholesterol, and now I want to add more fat to the table. Those two basketballs become four softballs. If I add more triglyceride to the table, they become eight baseballs. If I add more triglyceride, they become 16 golf balls. And if I continue to raise triglyceride, they'll become 32 little BBs. S- so the point is, the amount of cholesterol stayed stable. The amount of triglyceride went up. As the amount of triglyceride went up, the size of the cholesterol molecule got smaller. So the two basketballs and the 32 BBs are the same volume of cholesterol, same nanogram per deciliter of cholesterol, just vastly different sizes. Those 32 BBs, very dangerous. Those two basketballs, very little danger.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Hmm.

Gary Brecka 1:05:41 One is actually a marker for longevity, one is a marker for cardiovascular disease, and it is the same amount of cholesterol.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Oh.

Gary Brecka 1:05:49 Just different sizes. So different sizes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 I got my blood drawn a couple years ago, and the doctor asked me if I was on cholesterol medication. He said, "Your cholesterol is really low."

Gary Brecka 1:06:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 He goes, "Are you on medication?" I said, "No. But I eat mostly meat."

Gary Brecka 1:06:06 Yeah. Your, your, your, um, triglycerides would usually go down. Your LDL cholesterol will go up if you're on a ketogenic diet. Um, uh, Dr...... uh, I think it's Nadir Singh is his name, did an unbelievable ... He's a cardiologist, did an unbelievable, um, uh, YouTube video on this. Uh, I actually did a podcast with Dr. Aseem Malhotra, who is a cardiologist.

Narrator 1:06:28 He's been here.

Gary Brecka 1:06:28 Has he been here too?

Narrator 1:06:29 Yeah, yeah.

Gary Brecka 1:06:29 Unbelievable guy.

Narrator 1:06:30 Love that guy.

Gary Brecka 1:06:31 Hey, shout out to Aseem. He's an incredible, credible guy. Um, and Aseem would tell you the same thing, that, uh, you know, he, he fought the British Medical Journal, um, and, and got publications that he was trying to have published, you know, pulled because he was fighting the narrative on statins, one of the biggest, biggest drugs in the, in the world. We knew in the mortality space (clears throat) that the centenarians that we were processing des- death claims on, um, I don't recall a time during my career when we had a death claim on a centenarian, somebody over the age of 100, that did not have elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time of their death. Because very often these people would die either in hospitals or assisted care living facilities, and we'd process the death claim, and in order to get the death claim processed you'd have to know, you know, day, date, time, location, cause of death. They'd have to ... And we'd have to get a death certificate. And these people were dying with elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, which you would think, "Well, wouldn't they have died a lot younger of cardiovascular disease?" And now the data is starting to come out to support these other metabolic issues, like hyperinsulinemia, you know, um, hypertriglyceridemia, um, high, you know, high blood sugar, that these, these are villains that precede cholesterol, you know, attaching to the arterial wall.

Narrator 1:07:52 Mm.

Gary Brecka 1:07:53 And so when we talk about metabolic health, we really shouldn't just isolate LDL cholesterol. We should be looking at our blood pressure, you know, our, our, our abdominal, uh, obesity, our, our sugars mainly, whether or not, um, you know, what our fasting blood glucose is, what the three-month average of our blood sugar is. Our hemoglobin A1C, making sure that's below preferably 5.4. Um, looking at our insulin, because insulin resistance develops a long time before a lot of these things show up. And looking at other

Gary Brecka 1:08:23 inflammatory markers, like C-reactive protein, and just generalized markers of inflammation, because most people are eating a very pro-inflammatory diet. And this is why you can't isolate one thing and say, "Seed oils are what's killing Americans," you know, "Vaccines are what's killing Americans. Aluminum, vaccines are," or, you know, "Fluoride in drinking water..." It's the cumulative dose toxicity of all of these things.

Narrator 1:08:44 Mm.

Gary Brecka 1:08:44 Um, you know, our water is toxic and we have fluoride, we have chlorines, we have PFAS, polyfluoroalkyls, we have microplastics, we have bisphenols. Um, you know, I actually did a, a test on myself and my entire family, uh, called a Vibrant Wellness Test. And y- you, uh, uh ... It's a blood and urine test, and essentially it tells you whether you got mold, mycotoxins, heavy metals, um, all, all of these different things. The amount of BPAs in my blood, and I am ... I would consider myself pretty on top of my diet game. The amount of BPAs, um ... There were traces of jet fuel, there were aflatoxins, um-

Narrator 1:09:25 Jet fuel?

Gary Brecka 1:09:25 There were traces of jet fuel.

Narrator 1:09:27 From all your flying?

Gary Brecka 1:09:28 Like, um, accelerants like, uh, like aerosol accelerants, maybe from flying. I fly a lot. Um, my daughter had it in her, in her, in her blood too, and s- and, and so did my wife, and then we, um, and then we all had very similar species of mold, which we, which we got rid of, and I felt a lot better. Um-

Narrator 1:09:46 And it was in your home?

Gary Brecka 1:09:48 It was in, uh ... It was actually in my daughter's apartment, and we actually ended up having our doctor write a letter and, and, and break her lease, and we moved her into a, uh, apartment right next to us in, in, uh, Coconut Grove in Florida. But she was starting to have ... And she's a nurse, and she was starting to have these strange symptoms, just brain fog, her joints were just killing her, um, in the morning. By the end of the day, her ankles were swollen. Um, her mood started to collapse, like the peaks and valleys of her mood kind of went away. Um, she, um ... And she was ... Uh, you know, I was bringing her over to, to the house, and obviously as a biohacker I'm trying to solve everything, so I was like, "We gotta do this Vibrant Wellness Test medicine, we gotta figure out what's going on," and then boom, the mold just jumped off the chart. Our youngest daughter too was suffering from recurrent sore throats, and you know that viruses and, and ... I mean, bacteria and, and mold have been mortal enemies for years.

Narrator 1:10:43 Mm-hmm.

Gary Brecka 1:10:44 I mean, think penicillin and bacteria, right?

Narrator 1:10:46 Right.

Gary Brecka 1:10:46 And so we live in the mold capital of the world, and very often when you get mold toxicity it doesn't just ... It's not just a constant infection, it has a latent phase, a dormant phase, and then a, and then a sporulating phase. And so these, these mold infections, which a lot of doctors will tell you are complete nonsense, are absolutely valid. I mean, there are people that right now that have severe brain fog, they have joint pain, um, they have really poor focus and concentration and short-term memory issues. They've got hormone imbalance, they've got water retention, um, and they got swollen ankles, and they cannot really figure it out. And they'll do a, a standard blood test, and you don't see this on a standard blood test. Um, and when you do something like a Vibrant and you look at these, um, this mold toxicity, you get rid of it, and the, uh, you, you see the entire blood panel, you know, uh, comes back into optimal ranges and they feel amazing. Just like my, my daughter, we did EB-02, we did sauna, uh, we did gut binders, activated charcoal binders, high-dose glutathione, and over the next few weeks we slowly walked, uh, you know, this mold right out of her, her system. But people suffer from this all the time. In fact, I've been deep down the rabbit hole of a lot of the foundations of these autoimmune diseases, because in my previous clinic we had 150, 160,000 patients come through our, our clinic system, and ...... nearly everyone that we saw that had an autoimmune disease was told by their doctor, uh, "You just woke up one day and your immune system went haywire." Right? "So you, you have Crohn's Disease because one day you woke up and your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your colon." Or, "You have hypothyroid 'cause you woke up one morning and, and, um, your, your immune system's manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid, so yeah, now you have Hashimoto's. Or the lacrimal gland in your eye, and you have chagrin's, or, you know, your blood, you have lupus." And we immediately just assume that God made a mistake, that the immune system is malfunctioning. I- instead of us taking, taking a step back and saying, "You know, what if actually the immune system is acting properly? What if God didn't make a mistake? What if it's attacking the colon for a reason? We just have to figure it out." And if you just eliminated four things: mold mycotoxin, heavy metals, viruses, and parasites, just those four categories, I believe that you would get