Joe Rogan Experience #2304 - Gary Brecka

1. 0:00 – 2:21

   MAHA, chronic disease, and the money incentives behind “health policy”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   2. GBGary Brecka0:12

      All right, we're up to speed, Breckin.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      All right. Good to see you, my friend.

   4. GBGary Brecka0:15

      Wow. That was fast. Good to see you, too, brother.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      That's how we do it. We just get right into it.

   6. GBGary Brecka0:18

      (laughs) It's like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You got notes, dude.

   8. GBGary Brecka0:19

      ... sit down and roll.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      You're organized. You're a rare guest.

   10. GBGary Brecka0:21

       Uh, I actually ... You know what? I normally don't bring notes, but I was talking to Calley Means on the way over here, and, you know, we're, we're really supporting Bobby Kennedy's whole MHA, you know, movement, and, and, uh, trying to officially put a committee together to, to, to really give him some great talking points and then bring some of the big influencers together to help him message, you know, around the media. And I was like, "What are some of the wins that we've had in the last week that I don't know about?" And so he just rattled them off, and I-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       There's some wins?

   12. GBGary Brecka0:46

       ... just jotted them down.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       What are the wins?

   14. GBGary Brecka0:47

       Well, I mean, um, you know, so Trump formed this, uh, Strong Kids Commission, and, and if you remember when he first got into office, he actually, um, by executive order, he authorized Bobby to, um, to do a study with the, you know, Health and Human Services to, to look into the genesis of chronic disease, 'cause nobody, nobody's talking about it. The National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine or in our, you know, public health policy, nobody's talking about what's causing this pandemic.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Gee, I wonder why they're not talking about it?

   16. GBGary Brecka1:15

       (laughs) Well, I could give you a couple of-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Do you think money has anything to do with it?

   18. GBGary Brecka1:19

       ... I could give you a couple of clues.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Nah.

   20. GBGary Brecka1:20

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       No way.

   22. GBGary Brecka1:22

       God.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       These are the best-

   24. GBGary Brecka1:22

       You're a conspiracy theorist, dude.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       I know.

   26. GBGary Brecka1:23

       You're down the rabbit hole.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       That's my problem.

   28. GBGary Brecka1:25

       You think that just because people-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       It's my main problem.

   30. GBGary Brecka1:27

       ... get paid, they do things that are shady.
2. 2:21 – 3:33

   SNAP subsidies, soda, and conflicts of interest in nutrition organizations

   1. GBGary Brecka2:21

      The interesting thing is, is, you know, look at our F- you know, our food stamp program, which is, you know, the SNAP program. It's one of the biggest-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      Yes.

   3. GBGary Brecka2:27

      ... um, subsidies that we have in the government, $120 billion a year. 10 billion of that is going to subsidize sodas. I mean, 10 billion.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:35

      Well, they need soda. It's, it's an important part of the fear- food pyramid, I think.

   5. GBGary Brecka2:39

      (laughs) I'm sorry. It's right-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      Isn't it in there?

   7. GBGary Brecka2:40

      It's right up there with Lucky Charms, right? It's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      Yeah. Lucky Charms is above, right above ground beef.

   9. GBGary Brecka2:45

      Yep, and grass-fed-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       You know.

   11. GBGary Brecka2:46

       ... steak.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       (sighs)

   13. GBGary Brecka2:46

       And then you get to the top-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       (laughs)

   15. GBGary Brecka2:47

       ... and you got, and you got soda. It, it's ... So it's just-

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       (laughs)

   17. GBGary Brecka2:50

       It's phenomenal. And then they, the American Heart Association just ironically comes out in favor of soda in this SNAP food program.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       I know.

   19. GBGary Brecka2:58

       And it, and you just go-

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       We, we went over that, and we found out that they're, um, they're paid by Pepsi and by Coca-Cola.

   21. GBGary Brecka3:05

       Wow.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       It's just so dark.

   23. GBGary Brecka3:07

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       It's so, it's so crazy-

   25. GBGary Brecka3:09

       It is.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       The American Heart Association gets money from Coca-Cola and Pepsi.

   27. GBGary Brecka3:13

       Yeah. You know, I, I checked into my Airbnb here in, in Austin, which, uh, which by the way, love Austin, man. I see why-

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       It's the best.

   29. GBGary Brecka3:18

       I see why you came here. We covered it all on my podcast, so-

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Yeah.
3. 3:33 – 7:25

   Seed oils: industrial processing, chemicals, and inflammation framing

   1. GBGary Brecka3:33

      Yeah. A lot of healthy people. So I check into the Airbnb, and I, I go into the closet. Like the owner's closet wasn't, wasn't locked, and I went into the owner's closet. Of course, it's like all Cheerios and cookies and crackers, and I, I pulled a couple of bottles of these seed oils out. And I did a little post about it, because I was like, "Look at all the heart healthy labels on this."

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      Right.

   3. GBGary Brecka3:53

      And, and we, we talked about seed oils last time, but it's e- ... You know, and I, and I get attacked a lot for it, for saying that these polyunsaturated fatty acids are bad for you, but a lot of times, it's, it's actually not the, the plant itself. It's the distance from the plant to the table.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      Right.

   5. GBGary Brecka4:08

      Right? You, you, you put-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      Can you explain the ... 'Cause you were explaining the other day to us the process that, that it takes to turn rapeseed oil, which is what canola is.

   7. GBGary Brecka4:17

      First of all, it's called canola oil, Joe, if you-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      (laughs) They, they decided that-

   9. GBGary Brecka4:21

      So funny.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       ... rapeseed was problematic, so they changed it to canola oil. I always thought it was corn oil.

   11. GBGary Brecka4:25

       Yeah. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       If corn's good for you, corn oil must be great for you.

   13. GBGary Brecka4:28

       Oh, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Oh. We're using canola oil. Cool.

   15. GBGary Brecka4:30

       Ah, peanuts.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Please explain, though, the process, 'cause it's so vile.

   17. GBGary Brecka4:35

       It's, it's insane. So, um, rapeseed, uh, canola is, you know, a plant. We ... Ess- essentially, you put it in a commercial press, and it will come out gummy. And so to de-gum it, you use something called hexane. And hexane, if you go to National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine, you'll see that that is a known neurotoxin. It's classified as a neurotoxin. Same as fluoride, right, which is actually fluorosilicic acid. We get to that later. But, uh, so, so we de-gum it with hexane, and then you take this de-gummed oil, and you heat it to 405 degrees, which turns it rancid. I mean, there's no mechanism on Earth for temperatures to reach that much, especially, uh, plants to encounter those kind of temperatures. So now it denatures. It turns rancid. So now you, um ... It's putrefied, and it smells. So now you have to deodorize it. So we de- deodorize it with sodium hydroxide. So we de-gum it with a powerful neurotoxin. We heat it to 405 degrees and turn it rancid, and then we deodorize it with a very powerful carcinogen.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       (laughs)

   19. GBGary Brecka5:34

       And then in some cases, we bleach it and bottle it and put it on the shelf. You, you ever look at ... Go, go to the grocery store, and you, you see the entire-... grocery aisle, it's, it's all these, like Wesson oils or vegetable oils, but they're all exactly the same color.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       Mm-hmm.

   21. GBGary Brecka5:48

       Like exactly, they have that-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       Yeah.

   23. GBGary Brecka5:49

       ... same beautiful, clear hue. That's not how anything occurs in nature.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       They look super healthy.

   25. GBGary Brecka5:54

       You know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       No.

   27. GBGary Brecka5:54

       If you squeezed 10,000 watermelons into watermelon juice and put it all on the shelf-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       It would vary a little bit.

   29. GBGary Brecka6:01

       ... they would vary a little bit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       Yeah.
4. 7:25 – 12:45

   Can we replace seed oils? Tallow, olive oil, and food-system feasibility

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:25

      Do you think there's a possibility of removing food oils from the market?

   2. GBGary Brecka7:31

      I don't think they will ever replace-

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      Not food oils, excuse me, seed oils.

   4. GBGary Brecka7:34

      Yeah, seed oils. I, I don't think they will ever replace seed oils. I think it's-

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:37

      Why not?

   6. GBGary Brecka7:37

      I think what's really interesting is, is the chemical processing. So an- another really good thing, and I'm helping to author this, this paper with, uh, with Kelly Means and, and a bunch of other folks, uh, to present to, to Bobby Kennedy in, in looking at the genesis of chronic disease. 'Cause if you just, and I know lots of people have talked about this on your show, so I won't belabor the point, but if you look at the spending of $4.5 trillion a year, right, on healthcare in the United States, and then you say, "Well, what do we lead the world in?" Well, as of December 6th, we were ranked 66th in the world in life expectancy. Um, we lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic disease in a single biome, meaning not just our population has multiple different chronic diseases, but multiple chronic diseases in the same, in the same body. Because most people don't just have one autoimmune disease or they're not just hypertensive and diabetic, they're hypertensive, diabetic, and hypothyroid with an autoimmune, usually multiple autoimmune. We lead the world in infant mortality, maternal mortality, um, and so you gotta ask yourself, how is $4.5 trillion a year in spending leading to these kinds of consequences? And very often, it's actually not the food, it's the distance from the food to the table. So it, it's not necessarily the plant, it's what we're doing to process these plants to get them on the table. And so I think what you're gonna see is these GRAS guidelines, generally regarded as safe, which is essentially how the FDA decides whether or not you can micro-poison the population. So we are allowed to micro-poison the population, right? We're allowed to put certain amounts of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, uh, preservatives, um, no-

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:15

      That is a great way of putting it too, it's micro-poisoning.

   8. GBGary Brecka9:17

      Yeah, um, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:18

      So that's really what's happening.

   10. GBGary Brecka9:19

       It's exactly what's happening. And, and, and a lot of experts will say the dosage determines the poison. And that's largely untrue when you talk about cumulative dose toxicity, meaning if I give you this sandwich and, uh, you know, this piece of tuna fish and it has a very small safe amount of lead or mercury, it's probably not gonna hurt you, right? But if you don't methylate that metal out of your body and you keep eating that same kind of fish, I mean, nobody got mercury poisoning from a single piece of tuna fish. What they got mercury poisoning from was continuing to eat the same thing over and over and over and over again and they got a cumulative dose toxicity, which is what a lot of foreign countries use. So in other words, I can't just say, if I put, you know, one drop of arsenic in this glass, is that, is that going to kill you? Eh, might make you mildly sick, cause an inflammatory process, maybe it's not gonna kill you. But if you drink one of those five times a day, seven days a week, now you're toxic. And that's what's happened to our country. We didn't get here quickly. We, we, we got here by slowly stacking these micro-poisons.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       Right, but is it possible to change all of, like, whatev- whatever we use seed oil for, is it possible to swap that out for olive oil or beef tallow or...

   12. GBGary Brecka10:35

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       I know there's some companies doing, like Masa makes these great, uh, tortilla chips-

   14. GBGary Brecka10:40

       Love Masa.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       ... that are just organic corn-

   16. GBGary Brecka10:42

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       ... tallow.

   18. GBGary Brecka10:43

       Organic corn, grass-fed beef, tallow-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       They taste like it too. Like, you feel like you're eating food.

   20. GBGary Brecka10:47

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       You know? We talked about those Vandory chips too.

   22. GBGary Brecka10:50

       Yeah, Vandy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       Vandy, Vandy chips. I love those.

   24. GBGary Brecka10:52

       I do too. (laughs) I would actually have brought you some.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       They're so good. It's just potatoes and beef tallow with a little salt.

   26. GBGary Brecka10:57

       Yup.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       And they're fuck- ... And it tastes like food.

   28. GBGary Brecka10:59

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       Like when I eat them, I don't feel like a piece of shit.

   30. GBGary Brecka11:01

       (laughs)
5. 12:45 – 16:18

   Culture detour: ‘woke’ semantics, Harvard microaggressions, and victimhood status

   1. GBGary Brecka12:45

      I think, I think you have the perception that there's a big market for it because you're kind of in the know. Right? You're probably in the, I hate to use this term, but woke 1%.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:54

      Oh, no. (laughs)

   3. GBGary Brecka12:54

      Right? And if you, if you wanna, you wanted to-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:56

      I, I, he's like, he called me woke. (laughs)

   5. GBGary Brecka12:58

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:58

      That sounds ... it used to be cool.

   7. GBGary Brecka13:00

      When I, when I mean woke 1%, I mean ... I, I h- I hate that word, woke. But-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:04

      Well, it's the ... you're using it the correct way, though. You're using it the way African-Americans used to use it. Black people used to call it woke like, "You're awake." I'm woke. You can't-

   9. GBGary Brecka13:12

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       ... sneak that stupid shit by me-

   11. GBGary Brecka13:14

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       ... I'm woke.

   13. GBGary Brecka13:15

       Right. I mean-

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       You know? And then the fucking white people took it over and ruined it, like a lot of things. (laughs)

   15. GBGary Brecka13:19

       (laughs) Exactly. Did we? Did we fuck that up too?

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       Not us. (laughs)

   17. GBGary Brecka13:23

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Not us.

   19. GBGary Brecka13:23

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       But, uh, the ones with blue hair.

   21. GBGary Brecka13:26

       Yeah. Now, now woke means a whole different-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       Yeah.

   23. GBGary Brecka13:28

       ... whole different ballgame.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Well, now it's essentially a pejorative. They can't even use it in a positive way. You know? It's ... that, that's-

   25. GBGary Brecka13:34

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       ... beaten down, to the point where it's gross.

   27. GBGary Brecka13:35

       But I like it 'cause it's kinda like you can just be triggered about anything now so it's so convenient.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Yes.

   29. GBGary Brecka13:39

       You know? 'Cause I can really silence you if you start a- like, out intellectualizing me. I can, I can just be like, "Dude, you're, you're, you're triggering me."

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       (laughs)
6. 16:18 – 24:23

   Blue Zones beyond diet: purpose, community, activity—and isolation as a mortality accelerator

   1. GBGary Brecka16:18

      Then you're screwed. So anyway, back to the food supply. We took a, took a U-turn there for a second. Um, y- y- what's really interesting is if you just take a very, uh, 30,000-foot view and you say let's, let's just look at the broad strokes in the Blue Zone research, right? There's no continuity between diets in these Blue Zones.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:36

      Right.

   3. GBGary Brecka16:36

      So it's not keto, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, h- um, you know, raw food, Atkins. It's, it's whole food, just what you were just saying. You know if you-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:46

      Whole food and a lot of healthy lifestyle.

   5. GBGary Brecka16:48

      Whole food and, well, the two things that were non- non-interchangeable were sense of purpose and community and activity until later in life. So you didn't have-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:55

      Mm-hmm.

   7. GBGary Brecka16:55

      -- any of the Blue Zones where people didn't h- feel a sense of purpose and community in life. In fact, there were no, no such things as si- uh, assisted care living facilities. You know, the assisted care in those countries is mom and dad move back in with-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:06

      Right.

   9. GBGary Brecka17:07

      ... the kids until, until the day that they-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       Right.

   11. GBGary Brecka17:09

       ... till the day that they die. And there's a lot to be said for that because maybe grandma's only purpose is to go out and get, um, vegetables for dinner that night, but she has a purpose.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       And then she's a part of the community.

   13. GBGary Brecka17:21

       And she's also part of the community.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       She's not locked up in a home with a bunch of people who don't really care about her.

   15. GBGary Brecka17:25

       Yeah. You know, we knew something in the, in the mortality space 'cause I, I used to study mortality, um-... and, uh, mortality research. And we knew that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half at any age, and I mean at any age, you put them in isolation.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       Mm-hmm.

   17. GBGary Brecka17:41

       So as soon as you create isolation, you dramatically reduce, if not half the life expectancy. Now, later in life, we would call this broken heart syndrome-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       Oh, wow.

   19. GBGary Brecka17:52

       ... uh, caregiver syndrome, and these were actually very valid syndromes. So if we actually were doing the, the life expectancy on an elderly spouse who was still applying for insurance, or we were looking at what's called a second-to-die claim on, on, on life insurance policy and one spouse had passed away, we would dramatically reduce the life expectancy of the second spouse. And the reason why that's important is I think that people don't realize that we are actually being isolated in plain sight, right? I mean, we are trying to create connection through our phones. We're trying to create connection through social media, and these are not human connections. In fact, you know, if you look at the rates of depression, suicide, suicidal ideation, obesity, um, you know, chronic mental illness, and I think we actually have a chronic lack of mental fitness, not necessarily a mental illness crisis in this country. And if you, if you look at the skyrocketing rates of these conditions and how they are creeping into younger and younger and younger generations, you got nine-year-olds being treated for depression now. All right? Um, so what, what's happening? What's happening is isolation in plain sight. You know, we, we don't problem solve anymore. We don't have communities with our friends anymore. We actually don't build social connections. We've lost our connection to, to mother nature, you know? That's why I like going out to my place in Colorado. It's probably like you, you like bow hunting and just-

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Nature.

   21. GBGary Brecka19:09

       ... old school connection to mother nature and how freaking good do you feel?

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       Yeah, it's very, very good. I really wish I lived in nature. I'd really like to be living in the woods again.

   23. GBGary Brecka19:18

       I'm working on it, man. Well, you said you're trying to get, you know-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:20

       Yeah.

   25. GBGary Brecka19:20

       ... get something outside of town, like a range kinda-

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:22

       I think that's the move. Yeah.

   27. GBGary Brecka19:23

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       I think, I think nature's a vitamin. I really do. I, I think it's a mental health vitamin. I think there's something-

   29. GBGary Brecka19:31

       I do too.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:31

       ... about being in nature. There's a feeling you get, especially when your phone doesn't work, when you get out there and you look at your phone with like zero bars.
7. 24:23 – 27:03

   Regenerative/local farming examples and questioning continued pesticide use

   1. GBGary Brecka24:23

      But, but in any case, man, I feel, I feel amazing. So, um... But, you know, you're, you're right that, you know, at some point, we have the capacity to replace these, um, these oils. We actually have a way to get th- uh, you know, back away from industrial farming and get back to local farming. You know, there, there's a... I have a very good friend named Alfie Ochs and he owns one of the, one of the more profitable grocery stores in America, it's in, it's in Naples, Florida, called, uh, Seed to Table. And he took me out by helicopter one time and we hopped around to a bunch of his organic fields. He's got thousands of acres in the middle of the state of Florida. And he showed me how he's not only able to grow produce, um, for less money than he would... Uh, organically, for less money than he would grow it if he had to use herbicides and, and pesticides and, and chemicals. He's able to pick it at nine o'clock in the morning and have it on the grocery store shelf by two o'clock in the afternoon, and I watched the whole process go down. Thousands and thousands of these acres. And, you know, whiteflies are the, the pest flies they're trying to avoid. Instead of spraying for these whiteflies, what they do is they just use this reflective cellophane, they run it down the rows and crops, and it creates this reflection (clears throat) and it scatters them into the woods. And so now the whiteflies are not eating the crops, there's no herbicide, there's no pesticide sprayed on these, there's no, no preservatives. His, his team picks this stuff by nine o'clock in the morning, it goes into a processing center, and by processing I mean it gets washed, that's it, and then it's on a truck and it's on the shelf by two o'clock in the afternoon. So you can grab a strawberry in this grocery store and eat it, and it was growing at 9:00 AM that morning. And there a- you know, there are mechanisms for us to do that. Yes, I get some, some stuff needs to be shipped and, and, and stored, um, but most regenerative farming practices are not only green and good for the environment, they're economically feasible. They actually make economic sense. And, you know, when he talks about the fact that we've been spraying some of these fields for so many decades with, or so many years with these, uh, herbicides and insecticides, that there is not a pest for, in some cases, hundreds of miles, but we are still spraying for those pests. It's like, you gotta start to question what the motivation is.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:42

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   3. GBGary Brecka26:43

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:43

      Probably financial. And...

   5. GBGary Brecka26:45

      Probably financial. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:46

      Yeah. And, you know, it's, w- we're talking about, you said something earlier interesting that you think it's not, that the, what was the term that you used? Uh, that it's not a mental health problem, it's a lack of mental strength?

   7. GBGary Brecka26:59

      Mental fitness.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:00

      Mental fitness.

   9. GBGary Brecka27:01

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       Yeah.

   11. GBGary Brecka27:02

       Yeah, I mean, m- if you think about it...

8. 27:03 – 31:21

   Hydrogen tablets (H2TAB): claimed benefits, Nrf2 pathway, and aging-related study talk

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      You got any of those hydrogens?

   2. GBGary Brecka27:04

      Yeah, yeah. You want a hydrogen tablet?

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:06

      I got... Come on. Come on. Is there a H2TAB?

   4. GBGary Brecka27:07

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:08

      I love these. I'm addicted.

   6. GBGary Brecka27:10

      I love these too. Yeah. Um, you know...

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:12

      Explain to people what these are instead of...

   8. GBGary Brecka27:14

      So hydrogen gas, I mean, this is probably my favorite biohack in the world because it'll cost you about a dollar a day. Um, these are called H2TAB. Um, you can get them at drinkh2tab.com. You can actually read the science on it. I think there's two, two people in the world now, I mean, those that have read the science and take hydrogen gas, drink hydrogen water, and those that don't, um, or, or just haven't read the science. Because hydrogen gas, first of all, is a, it's, it's the lightest element in the universe. It's also the most prevalent element in the universe. 10% of your body weight is hydrogen. I think, in fact, if you took hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen, that's 96% of your mass. Okay? Those four, uh, elements. So hydrogen's about 10% of your body weight. And, and hydrogen is not just an antioxidant, it's a selective antioxidant. All right? So if you look at oxidative stressors like nitric oxide or superoxide or hydrogen peroxide, okay? So all of these, these, these oxidative stressors, they can be good in certain amounts. Like, you need a certain amount of nitric oxide, right? In your body. But, but too much nitric oxide is bad. Too much hydrogen peroxide, bad. Too much superoxide is bad. So if you were to take an antioxidant like vitamin C, um, and take very, very high doses of antioxidants, this can be very bad for you because you're suppressing too much oxidation in the body. You're actually suppressing these oxidative stressors too much. Hydrogen, on the other hand, uses the body's homeostatic process to suppress inflammation. So in other words, it, it, it works through something called the Nrf2 pathway. It, it affects a protein called Nrf2 which moves into the DNA, binds to the DNA, and then the DNA spits out the instructions for catalase, superoxide dismutase, and glutathione. So in other words, you're actually using the body's regulatory system to actually control inflammation instead of externally trying to control inflammation. And then, and the second thing it does is it, it targets the only oxidative free radical that I think all of the science points to as, as, uh, which is hydroxyl radical, uh, having no use in the body. So it selectively targets that and regulates the rest of the inflammatory process by using the body's homeostasis. So in... Just, I guess, a very long-winded way of saying (laughs) that hydrogen gas can go anywhere in the body, it reduces inflammation, improves circulation, improves memory. There's...... really interesting study published on, um, uh, the Journal of, uh, Experimental Gerontology, and it was published in November of 2021. Um, and most, you know, of these clinical research studies, they'll look at younger populations, like, healthier younger populations. But this actually looked at a six-month study on hydrogen water versus non-hydrogen water in 70-year-old and older folks, and they used something called TET2 to measure inf- uh, methylation. They measured cognitive function, sleep scores, sit-stand ratios, how well they're able to sit and stand, telomere lengths in their chromosomes. And, and the really fascinating thing about this study is it was done during COVID. So, these seniors were basically imprisoned, right? So, they were not mobile, um, and the only difference between the groups that they, that they controlled for was the presence of hydrogen water. At the end of the six-month period during the lockdown, the non-con- the control group had lost 11% in their telomeres. The non-control group had gained 4%. They had better short-term recall, better cognitive scores, um, uh, better circulation, improvement in cardiac markers, improvement in inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein. I think it's... I think it's the greatest biohack on earth. That, and, like, some sea salt and some amino acids, like, a perfect amino, I mean, just covering your bases. I think those are, those are your foundational basics for, for optimal health.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:11

      And it's, like, delicious.

   10. GBGary Brecka31:14

       Dude, it's so good.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       It comes in good flavors.

   12. GBGary Brecka31:15

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       And it's easy to drink. It's, like, a pain-free thing that you can do. Inexpensive.

9. 31:21 – 45:46

   Hydrogen baths, nano-bubbles, cold plunge integration, and durability vs bottle devices

   1. GBGary Brecka31:21

      You know, you can bathe in it too.

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:22

      Really?

   3. GBGary Brecka31:23

      You can actually bathe in hydrogen gas. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      How many tabs you put in the water?

   5. GBGary Brecka31:25

      (laughs) You can, you can actually put h- oh, it's called a hydrogen bomb, which just looks like a big bath bomb. It just creates hydrogen gas. It's elemental magnesium.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:32

      What does it do for you when you bathe in it?

   7. GBGary Brecka31:34

      It goes right transdermal, goes right to the skin. So, remember, hydrogen is, is the smallest, lightest element that we know of, right? So it go, it will go right transdermal, and these, um... Hydrogen gas will form in between water molecules. So, a water molecule is H₂O, but hydrogen gas can actually exist outside of the water molecule. And when you put excess hydrogen gas into the water, it will go right transdermal. And, you know, I have two of these baths at my house. I never talk about it, like, on social media, so I'm, I guess I'm about to talk about it now. But, um, I have literally put people into these tubs, I'm, I'm kidding you not, crippled with arthritis, and they will skip out of my unit like they won the lottery. It's incredible. I mean...

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:18

      So, transdermal reduction of inflammation in joints from these-

   9. GBGary Brecka32:23

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       ... hydrogen bombs?

   11. GBGary Brecka32:24

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       How long does it last?

   13. GBGary Brecka32:25

       Or from a hydrogen bath. You can get these, you can get these machines. I mean, one for your house is about 7,500 bucks, 8,000 bucks. Um, and they make, uh, some that make nanoparticles or nanobubbles, which are about 1/500 the diameter of a human pore. So, if you run these things on your face, it'll actually push all the sebum out of your skin. It'll get, get rid of dandruff, psoriasis, eczema. Um, if you have any kind of inflammatory condition like knees, hips, shoulder, rotator cuff, arthritis, low back, um, bathing in hydrogen gas can be one of the most therapeutic things that you do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       Really?

   15. GBGary Brecka32:57

       Oh, my God.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:57

       Can you add it to a cold plunge?

   17. GBGary Brecka32:59

       You can add it to a cold plunge, and what's interesting ab- about adding it to a cold... In fact, I use this Cold Life cold plunge, and I've got these guys, um, trying to see if we can incorporate the hydrogen gas into the cold plunge. So, where the, where the motor pulls the cold water out, it's gonna send it into a hydrogen generator and then push it back into the tub. Because as the temperature drops in water, you can saturate more gas. So, a, so, a 48-degree... Quo- quote me exactly on this. But a 48-degree cold plunge will hold about twice as much gas as 102-degree, you know, warm tub.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       Mm.

   19. GBGary Brecka33:36

       So, if you were, like, t- just taking, like, a warm bath.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       Right.

   21. GBGary Brecka33:39

       So, you're gonna be cold plunging for three to six minutes every day, or, you know, that's what you and I do. You might as well be in there with hydrogen gas. And so I'm, I'm, I'm working with these guys from Cold Life to see if we can plumb these, um, hydrogen generators. And basically it's... It, it creates the hydrogen gas by, by taking, um, distilled water and breaking distilled water apart and then throwing the gas into the water.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       Hmm.

   23. GBGary Brecka34:01

       And it is noticeably different when you bathe in this gas or not. Like, I had Sean Ryan over to my house, um, for a podcast one time, and you know, he's all banged up from being a Navy SEAL, and you know, he's got nips and bibles all over his body, and he just thought it was really weird because I was like, "Dude, you got to get in my bathtub." (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:23

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   25. GBGary Brecka36:03

       He's talked about it before.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:04

       (laughs)

   27. GBGary Brecka36:04

       Sean, big shout out, brother. Um, but he was like, he's like, "Dude, I...... "I just met you, man."

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:10

       (laughs)

   29. GBGary Brecka36:10

       And I was like... I go, "No. It's, it's okay. I'm not gonna get in there with you."

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:15

       (laughs)
10. 45:46 – 1:01:35

    Microcirculation and ‘vasomotion’: the snake analogy and hypertension critique

    1. GBGary Brecka45:46

       I mean, so many people are anti-inflammatory, so many people are suffering from inflammation, not just neural inflammation in the brain, um, but non-specific markers of inflammation like C-reactive protein, homocysteine, that are causing all kinds of havoc. I mean, you think about the fact that about 70% of our circulation is, is not done by our heart. Right? Our heart circulates about 30% of the blood in our body, but the other 70% of the circulation is, is a ... is an activity called vasomotor or vasomotion. Right? Think of a snake swallowing a, a mouse. And we don't really cater to this part of our circulatory system even though-

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Explain what you're saying. Wha- a snake swallowing a mouse? What's he mean?

    3. GBGary Brecka46:24

       So, so, so think of a snake ... So, so if the heart doesn't circulate roughly (clears throat) 70% of the blood in our body, um, how is that circulation occurring? 'Cause obviously blood is still moving. You have about 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body. Um, and so there is ... Your heart is not strong enough in a single contraction, your left ventricle, your heart, that's ejecting that blood, is not strong enough to push the blood through 63,000 miles of vessel. And so how does the majority of this circulation occur? Well, the majority of our circulation is microvascular. Right? So the microvascular circulation does not move blood by pressure, it moves blood by something called vasomotion or vasomotor. And the best way I can describe vasomotion or vasomotor is to think of a snake swallowing a mouse. And the reason why I say that is because there's no pressure coming in th- the, the front of the snake. Right? It's not, it's not being pushed down the snake's-

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       Mm-hmm.

    5. GBGary Brecka47:27

       ... throat, it's being muscularly moved down the snake's throat. So it's a wave-like motion. Right? It's a ... It's this, um, uh, wave-like motion called vasomotor or, or, or vasomotion. And vascular laxity, how ... The laxity that's in your vessels matters, your blood viscosity matters, and inflammation matters. This is why when you look at the percentage of high blood pressure diagnoses, for example, if you were to just Google, "What percentage of hypertension, primary hypertension, essential hypertension, um, or, you know, uh, uh, high blood pressure is idiopathic," right? "Of unknown origin," you'd see that 85% of all high blood pressure, hypertensive diagnoses, are idiopathic. We don't know the origin. And-... so we examine these people's heart, EKG, EEG, um, heart sounds, lung sounds, maybe a dye contrast study, maybe a CT angiogram, maybe a, you know, some other kind of, uh, diagnostic heart imaging. We can't find anything wrong with the heart and we medicate the heart anyway, generally for a crime it's not committing, when there's an 85% chance it's actually something other than the heart, and we never look to the microvascular circulation. We never look to the 70% of our circulation that's actually not done by our heart. What are we doing to cater to that 70% of our circulation? Well, um, things like resveratrol, uh, hydrogen gas, um, lowering our homocysteine, which is, for most people is very simple to do. I use an amino acid called trimethylglycine, um, uh, to, to, to help people metabolize homocysteine because th- those microvasculature is very susceptible to high levels of homocysteine. And there's so many people that have, um, ailments that are consequences of poor circulation, and we're treating something completely different. So for example, um, poor focus and concentration, um, um, uh, lo- lots of autoimmune conditions. If you look at the circulation in the brain, liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, you'll see that the majority of this circulation is microvascular. You know, I- I've talked about why, why you and I both had a positive experience, for example, with red light. Um, what is red light doing to our eyes? Is it fixing the rods, the macula, the cones, the retina? Was there something damaged that red light fixed? No, it just restored healthy vasomotor activity to the back of your eye, which is why I never wear protection in a, in a red light bed. Now am I saying a red light bed is gonna cure your eyesight? No. (laughs) Oh no, I'm getting, I'm getting so beat up for that. But red light therapy is extraordinarily good for vasomotor circulation. Why, why do you think it improves your skin, the collagen, elastin, the fibrin? Why do you think it reduces fine lines and wrinkles? Why does it improve, um, why can it improve, uh, our eyesight? Because it restores healthy vasomotor activity, and there's so much microvasculature in our body that we don't really cater to this entire segment of our circulatory system. Think about how small a, uh, capillary, an artery has to be to carry a fluid to the edge of the lung, exchange a gas with the inside of the lung, pull that gas into the fluid and not bleed into the lung. So just think about how s- how tiny that tube has to be, and how many of those you have to have, 'cause d- forget, right outside of your lungs you got fluid. Those alveoli are grabbing, uh, grabbing gas and throwing that into a fluid. Well, at some point, that pipe has to meet a piece of tissue. How is it not bleeding into that tissue? It is that small, and it's microvascular. Um, this is also where hydrogen gas comes into play. Uh, so, um, I don't know where I was going with that point, but (laughs) -

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       (laughs)

    7. GBGary Brecka51:07

       ... um, I just find it fascinating that we've got so many things that we can do to cater to a lot of these ailments that people chalk up to a consequence of aging, and they could be as simple, um, as catering to that portion of your, your circulatory system.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       It would be so fascinating to run a study, a long-term study on twins, identical twins, and have one person just eat the standard American diet and the other person-

    9. GBGary Brecka51:30

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:30

        ... follow all these protocols, hydrogen gas, fitness, healthy food, no seed oil, no drinking, and just see-

    11. GBGary Brecka51:39

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:39

        ... what, what do they look like after 20 years-

    13. GBGary Brecka51:42

        10 years.

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:42

        Yeah.

    15. GBGary Brecka51:42

        Yeah, or 20 years.

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:43

        Yeah.

    17. GBGary Brecka51:43

        20 years would be wild.

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:44

        Wild. Yeah.

    19. GBGary Brecka51:44

        Be like sending one of them to space, you know?

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:46

        (laughs)

    21. GBGary Brecka51:46

        And, and, and it's so funny 'cause, uh, you know, we're so wrapped around our medical system that's really 50, 60 years old, 70 years old in how important a randomized clinical trial is, and placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial that's been peer reviewed and- and all of this. But we negate the Eastern philosophies that very often have been around for thousands of years. And I almost have more, lend more validity to something that's actually stood the test of time, like something that doesn't work is not gonna last 1,000 years, um, you know, by, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't work. When we were s- when we were in the mortality space, we never used randomized clinical trials. We used big data. And I think what you're about to see now that I was alluding to before is, we built an entire system on, you know, the- the most rigorous scientific study being the randomized clinical c- you know, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial. And so that is the gold standard and if it hasn't been through this process, it is not valid. Well, we've never done randomized clinical trials on, on parachutes. But I wouldn't jump out of an airplane without one, right? (laughs) Who wants, who wants to be in that, uh, who wants to be in the control group?

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:59

        (laughs)

    23. GBGary Brecka52:59

        Okay, Stan?

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:01

        Yeah.

    25. GBGary Brecka53:01

        You line up here. Um, you're getting a knapsack and a prayer book, and we're getting a parachute.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:06

        That's a very good point.

    27. GBGary Brecka53:07

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:08

        It's a very good point for, there's some things you really can't run randomized controlled s- studies on.

    29. GBGary Brecka53:12

        Yeah, I mean, sometimes we just have data, right?

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:15

        Mm-hmm.
11. 1:01:35 – 1:08:23

    Cholesterol, particle size, statins, and the ‘standard of care’ box

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Um, I did want to ask you about cholesterol, before I forget.

    2. GBGary Brecka1:01:38

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       Um, where did the, uh, narrative come from that there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and that HDL is good, LDL's bad, you want to lower your LDL and you want to take a statin? Where did all this... ?

    4. GBGary Brecka1:01:51

       So, um, so, y- you know, high density lipoprotein and low density lipoprotein, (clears throat) um, you know, it, the HDL, the high density lipoprotein's generally considered the good, um, cholesterol, and the LDL, the low density or VLDL, very low density lipoprotein, are considered the bad cholesterol, 'cause they're softer, right? Um, but what, what we know now is that the size of the cholesterol molecule matters a lot. In other words, these, the smaller the particulate size of cholesterol, the easier it is to cross into the arterial wall. It gets even, eaten by macrophage and it, it forms something called a foam cell, which is essentially this, this... Foam cell process of oxidized cholesterol is what is the genesis of narrowing of the arteries. Right? Um, but again, we have to remember that cholesterol is called to the site of inflammation. So, if you had two people, one with cholesterol of 100 in LDL cholesterol, and another one with cholesterol of 129, um, does the person with 129 have a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease? No. Um, does the per- does the person with 129 have a greater risk of, um, a cardiovascular event? No, just because they have elevated LDL cholesterol. Now, if you start to look at other markers, like C-reactive protein, which is a great marker for cardiovascular risk, if you look at h- um, triglyceride/cholesterol ratio... Because remember, fat, triglyceride, is largely transported around the body on, on the, on the surface of cholesterol. So if, if cholesterol was a tennis ball, the fuzzy yellow surface would be a fat, triglyceride. And if you remember from high school geometry, as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio goes up. So what that means is if I had two basket... Dude, I can still... That thing is...

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

       (laughs)

    6. GBGary Brecka1:03:42

       I gotta s- I gotta seal this thing, dude. It's like...

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:45

       (laughs)

    8. GBGary Brecka1:03:45

       I'm gonna go blind in my left eye.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:47

       (laughs)

    10. GBGary Brecka1:03:47

        I'm trying to be smart and I can't see out of my left eye.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:50

        Uh...

    12. GBGary Brecka1:03:50

        Um...

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

        (laughs)

    14. GBGary Brecka1:03:52

        Dude, th- what is it?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:54

        That's a good question.

    16. NANarrator1:03:55

        Ammonia.

    17. GBGary Brecka1:03:56

        Ammonia?

    18. NANarrator1:03:56

        Sodium hyposalt.

    19. GBGary Brecka1:03:57

        Ugh, it's no joke, man. I remember, I remember my f-

    20. NANarrator1:04:01

        (sniffs) .

    21. GBGary Brecka1:04:01

        ... my clinic when Dr. Sardi used to tape these things to the wall, because she would do, she would do these shoulder injections on people and they would get woozy, and she would just crack one of those smelling salts and they'd come right back.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:10

        Yeah, they used to use them for boxers when they got knocked out. When they got rocked and they'd get into the corner, they'd give them smelling salts and they'd wake right up.

    23. GBGary Brecka1:04:16

        Yeah. Well...

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:17

        Not really, but...

    25. GBGary Brecka1:04:18

        So let's say you had two basketballs of cholesterol.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:20

        Mm-hmm.

    27. GBGary Brecka1:04:20

        This is an oversimplified version-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:21

        Okay.

    29. GBGary Brecka1:04:21

        ... for the audience, but, a- y- you have two basketballs of cholesterol and they, and th- and they're covered in fat, okay, or triglyceride. And let's say I add more triglyceride to the bloodstream, right? Which, which happens when you eat high sugar, high glycemic carbohydrate. Why? Because part of insulin's role is, is to block forms of energy metabolism that would allow you to, uh, burn fat, um, or at least slow those pathways down. So essentially, you have two, two basketballs of cholesterol, and now I want to add more fat to the table. Those two basketballs become four softballs. If I add more triglyceride to the table, they become eight baseballs. If I add more triglyceride, they become 16 golf balls. And if I continue to raise triglyceride, they'll become 32 little BBs. S- so the point is, the amount of cholesterol stayed stable. The amount of triglyceride went up. As the amount of triglyceride went up, the size of the cholesterol molecule got smaller. So the two basketballs and the 32 BBs are the same volume of cholesterol, same nanogram per deciliter of cholesterol, just vastly different sizes. Those 32 BBs, very dangerous. Those two basketballs, very little danger.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        Hmm.
12. 1:08:23 – 1:27:05

    Toxins and autoimmunity framework: mold, metals, viruses, parasites—and ‘immune system isn’t the villain’

    1. GBGary Brecka1:08:23

       inflammatory markers, like C-reactive protein, and just generalized markers of inflammation, because most people are eating a very pro-inflammatory diet. And this is why you can't isolate one thing and say, "Seed oils are what's killing Americans," you know, "Vaccines are what's killing Americans. Aluminum, vaccines are," or, you know, "Fluoride in drinking water..." It's the cumulative dose toxicity of all of these things.

    2. NANarrator1:08:44

       Mm.

    3. GBGary Brecka1:08:44

       Um, you know, our water is toxic and we have fluoride, we have chlorines, we have PFAS, polyfluoroalkyls, we have microplastics, we have bisphenols. Um, you know, I actually did a, a test on myself and my entire family, uh, called a Vibrant Wellness Test. And y- you, uh, uh ... It's a blood and urine test, and essentially it tells you whether you got mold, mycotoxins, heavy metals, um, all, all of these different things. The amount of BPAs in my blood, and I am ... I would consider myself pretty on top of my diet game. The amount of BPAs, um ... There were traces of jet fuel, there were aflatoxins, um-

    4. NANarrator1:09:25

       Jet fuel?

    5. GBGary Brecka1:09:25

       There were traces of jet fuel.

    6. NANarrator1:09:27

       From all your flying?

    7. GBGary Brecka1:09:28

       Like, um, accelerants like, uh, like aerosol accelerants, maybe from flying. I fly a lot. Um, my daughter had it in her, in her, in her blood too, and s- and, and so did my wife, and then we, um, and then we all had very similar species of mold, which we, which we got rid of, and I felt a lot better. Um-

    8. NANarrator1:09:46

       And it was in your home?

    9. GBGary Brecka1:09:48

       It was in, uh ... It was actually in my daughter's apartment, and we actually ended up having our doctor write a letter and, and, and break her lease, and we moved her into a, uh, apartment right next to us in, in, uh, Coconut Grove in Florida. But she was starting to have ... And she's a nurse, and she was starting to have these strange symptoms, just brain fog, her joints were just killing her, um, in the morning. By the end of the day, her ankles were swollen. Um, her mood started to collapse, like the peaks and valleys of her mood kind of went away. Um, she, um ... And she was ... Uh, you know, I was bringing her over to, to the house, and obviously as a biohacker I'm trying to solve everything, so I was like, "We gotta do this Vibrant Wellness Test medicine, we gotta figure out what's going on," and then boom, the mold just jumped off the chart. Our youngest daughter too was suffering from recurrent sore throats, and you know that viruses and, and ... I mean, bacteria and, and mold have been mortal enemies for years.

    10. NANarrator1:10:43

        Mm-hmm.

    11. GBGary Brecka1:10:44

        I mean, think penicillin and bacteria, right?

    12. NANarrator1:10:46

        Right.

    13. GBGary Brecka1:10:46

        And so we live in the mold capital of the world, and very often when you get mold toxicity it doesn't just ... It's not just a constant infection, it has a latent phase, a dormant phase, and then a, and then a sporulating phase. And so these, these mold infections, which a lot of doctors will tell you are complete nonsense, are absolutely valid. I mean, there are people that right now that have severe brain fog, they have joint pain, um, they have really poor focus and concentration and short-term memory issues. They've got hormone imbalance, they've got water retention, um, and they got swollen ankles, and they cannot really figure it out. And they'll do a, a standard blood test, and you don't see this on a standard blood test. Um, and when you do something like a Vibrant and you look at these, um, this mold toxicity, you get rid of it, and the, uh, you, you see the entire blood panel, you know, uh, comes back into optimal ranges and they feel amazing. Just like my, my daughter, we did EB-02, we did sauna, uh, we did gut binders, activated charcoal binders, high-dose glutathione, and over the next few weeks we slowly walked, uh, you know, this mold right out of her, her system. But people suffer from this all the time. In fact, I've been deep down the rabbit hole of a lot of the foundations of these autoimmune diseases, because in my previous clinic we had 150, 160,000 patients come through our, our clinic system, and ...... nearly everyone that we saw that had an autoimmune disease was told by their doctor, uh, "You just woke up one day and your immune system went haywire." Right? "So you, you have Crohn's Disease because one day you woke up and your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your colon." Or, "You have hypothyroid 'cause you woke up one morning and, and, um, your, your immune system's manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid, so yeah, now you have Hashimoto's. Or the lacrimal gland in your eye, and you have chagrin's, or, you know, your blood, you have lupus." And we immediately just assume that God made a mistake, that the immune system is malfunctioning. I- instead of us taking, taking a step back and saying, "You know, what if actually the immune system is acting properly? What if God didn't make a mistake? What if it's attacking the colon for a reason? We just have to figure it out." And if you just eliminated four things: mold mycotoxin, heavy metals, viruses, and parasites, just those four categories, I believe that you would get to the majority of the genesis of, of autoimmune diseases. Just, you know, some of these autopsy studies on multiple sclerosis, for example, were, um, 100% positive for certain colonies of helminths. Um-

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