Joe Rogan Experience #2307 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 3:52

   Celebrity “space flight” satire: Katy Perry, daisies, and who counts as an astronaut

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      (drums) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello?

   4. TDTim Dillon0:13

      Hey, Tim Dillon.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How are you?

   6. TDTim Dillon0:15

      I'm much better now that the ladies are back from space. I was worried sick.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Thank you for having me. What were they up there, 10 minutes?

   8. TDTim Dillon0:20

      Well, it was very profound. I don't know-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Yeah.

   10. TDTim Dillon0:22

       ... if you've seen Katy Perry talk about it, but she's basically a guru now.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah. What were her findings? That's my question.

   12. TDTim Dillon0:27

       Well, she brought a daisy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       What did she learn? Right. (laughs)

   14. TDTim Dillon0:29

       ... which is super important. Shows you how quick the flight was.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon0:33

       The dead daisy that's, like, snipped from its life source was still, still alive-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       (laughs)

   18. TDTim Dillon0:39

       ... or still vibrant.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. And it's so, it's so-

   20. TDTim Dillon0:41

       Look at her.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       ... this.

   22. TDTim Dillon0:42

       Yeah. << Shut it, Daisy. >>

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Wow.

   24. TDTim Dillon0:44

       Look at her nails, so pretty.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Now, so they go up there, and they float for, like, 10 minutes?

   26. TDTim Dillon0:50

       Mm, at least.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       And then they come down.

   28. TDTim Dillon0:52

       Let's not minimize this.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       No, I, I know.

   30. TDTim Dillon0:53

       Let's, uh-
2. 3:52 – 7:43

   How risky is a suborbital launch? Reentry, heat shields, parachutes, and failure modes

   1. TDTim Dillon3:52

      I think this is the confusion. I think the confusion is that (clears throat) they essentially got to the threshold of space. They did not get, like, way out there, where-

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      But not outer space.

   3. TDTim Dillon4:03

      ... reentry is very traumatic. And it, it has, like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Right.

   5. TDTim Dillon4:07

      ... if you see, like, those heat shields that they put all over those things, and if they break off on the reentry, everybody dies.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Right.

   7. TDTim Dillon4:14

      That's 'cause you're way out there, and the amount of heat that gets generated as you're reentering the atmosphere, I think they're essentially, like, on the border of the atmosphere. Let's see, how high did they go up there?

   8. 62 miles. They go above that line. It's called the Kármán line or something.

   9. That's what I'm saying. So the space shuttle goes 300 miles-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       They went a little higher than that rocket, that Rocket Man documentary, that guy who shot himself up-

   11. TDTim Dillon4:33

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       ... in a rocket.

   13. TDTim Dillon4:34

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       They went, like, a few feet higher than that guy.

   15. TDTim Dillon4:37

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       RIP to that guy. I drove by his grave on the way to Vegas when LA burned down.

   17. TDTim Dillon4:41

       Are they even, like, technically actually in space?

   18. I think that's where the, like, it floats... That's the line, is-

   19. I might go there. I might do that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Do it.

   21. TDTim Dillon4:49

       I wouldn't go to space space, but I might do the 80, 80 miles.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Do that.

   23. TDTim Dillon4:54

       So 350 miles is the highest anyone has ever gone other than the Apollo astronauts.

   24. It's like 62, 100 kilometers.

   25. 62 miles. Okay, 62 miles ain't shit, dude. I, I drive that in an hour, you know what I'm saying?

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah, and it's-

   27. TDTim Dillon5:09

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       By the way, I agree with you, like... (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon5:11

       It's not that far. That's not even here to San Antonio. 62 miles ain't shit, but it is kinda technically space.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       So they get up there and they look at the Earth?
3. 7:43 – 10:42

   From spaceship hatches to Roswell blueprints: back-engineering lore and who would run it

   1. TDTim Dillon7:43

      Right? So, the pressure would keep them shut. So, generally, like, there's like a seal. And it's really kinda crazy. Like, I have a friend of mine, a very wealthy businessman who brings me over to his house the other day. He goes, "I wanna show you something." And he shows me this diagram. He said this is from the 1950s and this is the blueprint for the recreation UFO that they made when they, when they tried to back engineer the one that they found at Roswell.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      And they had a... this was a diagram?

   3. TDTim Dillon8:13

      Yeah. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      Crazy.

   5. TDTim Dillon8:14

      And it had a crank handle like a submarine door, you know? So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      And they were trying to replicate a craft that had landed?

   7. TDTim Dillon8:22

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Crashed.

   9. TDTim Dillon8:22

      Yeah. They... well, he thinks they did.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Wow.

   11. TDTim Dillon8:26

       He doesn't think it's a try. He said this is the blueprint, because it had the actual... by the way, the exact generator in the center of it that Bob Lazar described-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Yeah.

   13. TDTim Dillon8:35

       ... in 1989 when he worked at Area S4.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       What layer of the government do you think is working on projects like that? Like, is it all the DARPA people?

   15. TDTim Dillon8:45

       I think it's people that are completely disconnected from congressmen, senators, presidents.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Right. Right.

   17. TDTim Dillon8:51

       It's all deep state 'cause it's all people that have-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Right. They, they have to be like... they probably belong to an agency without a name.

   19. TDTim Dillon8:57

       Well, there's probably a bunch of those.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       Right.

   21. TDTim Dillon8:59

       And, and when it comes to this kind of stuff, like, we already know now because of Doge that there was money that was going with no receipts. Tr- billions and billions of dollars that was just flying out with no receipts. They have no idea where it went. And Elon openly said if this was... he goes, "If this was a public company, the sh- it would be delisted and-"

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon9:21

       "... the people who ran it would go to prison." But because it's the government, you're like, "Oh, I don't know what we did. We just, eh." They have no receipts.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Do you think-

   25. TDTim Dillon9:31

       That could be going to it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Do you think they'll bring charges against anyone for fraud?

   27. TDTim Dillon9:35

       That's the worry about disclosure.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       'Cause that's what-

   29. TDTim Dillon9:37

       And I think that's what's holding it back.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       I think people needs concrete stuff.
4. 10:42 – 12:51

   Watching the ‘astronaut’ interviews: pretension, self-awareness, and “we’re all in this together”

   1. NANarrator10:42

      I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there and you see the Earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen. And it's not just your window. It's like everybody's window and there's no boundaries, there's no border. There's just Earth. And it just fills the screen.

   2. TDTim Dillon11:00

      I like how it says, "Astronaut."

   3. NANarrator11:00

      And when you get up there and you see the Earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen.

   4. TDTim Dillon11:06

      Is it what you expected?

   5. NANarrator11:10

      No. No. (laughs)

   6. NANarrator11:12

      Better?

   7. NANarrator11:12

      N- oh, yeah. (laughs)

   8. NANarrator11:15

      Beyond?

   9. NANarrator11:15

      I, I don't think you can describe it, um, 'cause, you know, what I was saying? It was, like, um, quiet, but then also really alive. And you look at it and you're like, "We're all in this together."

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       (laughs)

   11. NANarrator11:29

       You mentioned just prior to, to going up, you said that you needed to go to space to heal.

   12. TDTim Dillon11:35

       (laughs)

   13. NANarrator11:35

       I know you're only a few minutes removed from this incredible experience. Do you feel healed?

   14. NANarrator11:41

       Um-

   15. NANarrator11:42

       Now you are officially an astronaut.

   16. TDTim Dillon11:43

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator11:43

       Thank you so much.

   18. NANarrator11:44

       How do you feel?

   19. TDTim Dillon11:44

       Oh.

   20. NANarrator11:46

       I feel super connected to love.

   21. NANarrator11:49

       Goodness. I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there and-

   22. TDTim Dillon11:53

       No. That's it. That's it. There's another one. There's another one. She said, "Making space."

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       Well, no. She's so funny-

   24. TDTim Dillon11:59

       But how, how great is it that they just get called astronauts now?

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       It's funny to hear the richest guy in the world's wife go, "We're all in it together."

   26. TDTim Dillon12:06

       Oh, boy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       Yeah. I don't know... I don't know if people feel that.

   28. TDTim Dillon12:11

       ... yeah, we're definitely not-

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       I don't feel like-

   30. TDTim Dillon12:12

       ... all in it with you.
5. 12:51 – 15:06

   Immigration stories, MS-13 panic, and the ‘everyone is lying’ media environment

   1. TDTim Dillon12:51

      Oh, you see they released the, um, footage, uh, dash cam footage or police footage of the guy who they're saying was just a father.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:00

      The Maryland father?

   3. TDTim Dillon13:01

      Yeah, as he got pulled over with eight undocumented people-

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:04

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon13:04

      ... in his truck. They were all supposedly staying at his house.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:07

      Yeah. I didn't see that, but-

   7. TDTim Dillon13:08

      Yeah. Uh, uh, the wife had a restraining order against him, a pro- protection order in 2021.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:13

      I saw that there was a restraining order. I saw that they... He was hanging out with two guys that were ad- m- in- in MS-13.

   9. TDTim Dillon13:20

      Yeah, they released the... Yeah, he's, he's definitely sketchy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       They have made a few mistakes.

   11. TDTim Dillon13:25

       But it's not, he's not this Maryland father.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       No.

   13. TDTim Dillon13:27

       The guy that scares me is the hairdresser.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       The gay hairstylist?

   15. TDTim Dillon13:30

       Yeah. I want to know what's going on with that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Or there was a guy with a tattoo and his tat-

   17. TDTim Dillon13:33

       That's him. The tet-... Uh, the- the- the mom and dad.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       Oh, the hairdresser has a mom and dad. Oh, no.

   19. TDTim Dillon13:35

       He has the autism... Oh, no.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Oh, no, there was a guy with an autism awareness tattoo and they thought it was, like, an MS-13 tattoo, but it l-... It, it doesn't look like an MS-13 tattoo. It's a literal...

   21. TDTim Dillon13:46

       The problem is everybody's a liar.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       You don't know.

   23. TDTim Dillon13:49

       So the liberals are liars and the Republicans are liars.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Everyone's lying.

   25. TDTim Dillon13:53

       They're all lying. And if they did ship some hairstylist-

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Ironically, the only people I trust are MS-13-

   27. TDTim Dillon13:57

       And podcasters.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       ... 'cause they'll, they'll tell you.

   29. TDTim Dillon13:59

       And podcasters.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       Podcasters and MS-13.
6. 15:06 – 23:00

   Joe’s CNN interview and why legacy media edits feel like propaganda

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      I did a CNN interview for an hour because I'm promoting my special, and then-

   2. TDTim Dillon15:11

      Oh, my God. Did you really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... I... Yeah, and they asked me-

   4. TDTim Dillon15:12

      Who'd you talk to?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      This girl, Elle Reeves.

   6. TDTim Dillon15:14

      Was she cool?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Elle, she was cool. She does all the... You know when you see the Vice documentaries where she talks to the Nazis and the incels?

   8. TDTim Dillon15:20

      Oh, Jesus, she does that?

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      It was that chick.

   10. TDTim Dillon15:23

       Oh, whoa.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And they sent her in. I-

   12. TDTim Dillon15:24

       Oh, that's a good move for them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       I was like, "This is hilarious." So I'm sitting there and she sits down, she's like, "Are there any left-wing comedians?" And I name 10 of them that are all in arenas. And she goes, "Oh." 'Cause their whole thing now is that podcasters are the most powerful people in the world. And she goes, "Do you think your friends are the new establishment?" I said, "Well, there's 22 intelligence agencies and it's hard to legace media. There's lots of Ivy League schools. There's this, there's that. Do I think Theo Von's the new establishment? No."

   14. TDTim Dillon15:51

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       "I don't think so. I think, (laughs) I think you ran a really unpopular candidate. I don't think Americans like child sex changes."

   16. TDTim Dillon15:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       "And I don't think they want an open border. And I think if you'd, you know, co-opted some of those issues, you might've won." They said to me at CNN, they're like, "We're editing the interview." I said, "Put the hour out." I sat there for an hour and, and we had a nice conversation, but, you know, we talked for one hour. And I was like, "Put it out." I'm like, "I understand if you can't put it out." Uh, and then she goes like this, she goes, um, "I can't believe you'd show up. Um, people have said that they can't come on here because Joe Rogan would get mad at them." I said, "That's absolutely ridiculous."

   18. TDTim Dillon16:31

       Why would I care?

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       I said, "He doesn't care. He would never care." I said-

   20. TDTim Dillon16:34

       Oh, that's so silly.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       "It's the silliest thing ever."

   22. TDTim Dillon16:36

       They think we're at war.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       I just said, "Put out the thing. Put out the hour online. If you can only put out a few minutes on, on network, fine. But it's wrong to have someone come in and talk for an hour-"

   24. TDTim Dillon16:47

       Right, and then-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       ... and then not-

   26. TDTim Dillon16:48

       ... use three minutes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       ... and then use five minutes."

   28. TDTim Dillon16:50

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       It's fucked up.

   30. TDTim Dillon16:51

       So what, uh, how much did they use?
7. 23:00 – 28:32

   Israel, ideology, and the difficulty of separating governments from people

   1. TDTim Dillon23:00

      If you and I go to Israel, will you slap on the yarmulke?

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:03

      Absolutely. Absolutely.

   3. TDTim Dillon23:04

      Will you kiss the wall? Will you kiss the wall?

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      Absolutely. Absolutely.

   5. TDTim Dillon23:07

      Really?

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:07

      Oh yeah, sure. I mean, d- d- did, and, and my film is green lit when? (laughs)

   7. TDTim Dillon23:12

      You have to kiss the wall? Is that the rule?

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:13

      I have my, d- no, I don't know anything. The wall is the w- is that the Wailing Wall?

   9. TDTim Dillon23:17

      I don't know, but Mike Huckabee's over there like a good Christian.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       Oh, well he loves it over there.

   11. TDTim Dillon23:20

       'Cause it's Easter Sunday, that's where he's supposed to be.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:20

       He loves it over there 'cause the fundamentalist Christians go hard-

   13. TDTim Dillon23:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       ... with, with the Israel thing. They're like, "Let's go."

   15. TDTim Dillon23:27

       'Cause they think Jesus is coming back to that spot.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:28

       No, yeah, there, what's very interesting is if Israel said to a fundamentalist Christian, if Netanyahu called Mike Huckabee and said, "We're gonna have to nuke Iran," he'd go, "Let's do it."

   17. TDTim Dillon23:38

       (laughs) That's what Jesus wants.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:38

       "Let's do it." That's what Jesus would want, a nuclear war. So that's where we've gotten.

   19. TDTim Dillon23:44

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:47

       (laughs) We've gotten to the point-

   21. TDTim Dillon23:47

       Jesus wants us to use the nukes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:49

       ... where, where we have fundamentalist Christians and, and, and, and fundamentalist Israi- and fundamentalist Muslims on the other side, and everybody's playing this weird game and, yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon23:58

       Yeah, there he is. Boy, he looks old. Jesus.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       This is just hilarious, like this is the freeze frame from the episode that we released of us watching this.

   25. TDTim Dillon24:06

       These guys stop, they stop dying their hair at some point in time and just say, "Oh, fuck it." You know, like Stallone did?

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:10

       The best hat they have is the shtreimel. They wear it in Brooklyn. It's that big furry Russian hat.

   27. TDTim Dillon24:15

       Oh, I love that hat.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       That hat looks sick. It looks-

   29. TDTim Dillon24:16

       That is a sick hat.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:17

       It looks like something out of Game of Thrones.
8. 28:32 – 32:39

   COVID origins, Fauci, and politicized prosecutions: consequences vs impunity

   1. TDTim Dillon28:32

      Yeah, there was just something that got released today that showed, they just released today that showed that COVID-19-

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:38

      Yep.

   3. TDTim Dillon28:38

      ... definitively came from that lab.

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:40

      1000%

   5. TDTim Dillon28:41

      100% proof it came from that lab.

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:43

      I read it, uh, a little bit of it on the way here.

   7. TDTim Dillon28:46

      Yeah, it's fucking nuts.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:47

      Yeah.

   9. TDTim Dillon28:47

      It's nuts, man. It's nuts. These fucking people, they just got roped into this-

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:53

       And it was a man-

   11. TDTim Dillon28:53

       ... group of criminals.

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:53

       ... completely manmade-

   13. TDTim Dillon28:55

       100%

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:56

       ... disease.

   15. TDTim Dillon28:57

       100%. And they knew that from the moment it happened.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:00

       It leaked.

   17. TDTim Dillon29:01

       The moment it happened.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:02

       They knew.

   19. TDTim Dillon29:02

       And they just lied. And Fauci is just out there walking around.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       That's an interesting, it's an, it's an interesting case when someone like that, in that position, repeatedly lied to people about the origins of that.

   21. TDTim Dillon29:19

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       Um-

   23. TDTim Dillon29:21

       And is allowed to just be free.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       And faces zero consequences.

   25. TDTim Dillon29:24

       Meanwhile-

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       You know?

   27. TDTim Dillon29:25

       ... they were trying to put Trump in jail because he-

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:28

       Inflated the price of a condo. (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon29:31

       Yeah. (laughs) But do you see what they-

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       He got an appraisal that was higher, and then they lied. They lied.
9. 32:39 – 52:40

   Parallel government theory: CIA networks, black budgets, and Epstein-style kompromat

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:39

      I think you have these guys, right? So you have these guys that, that go into the CIA. They, they, they, they learn all about these underground groups. They have all of these different relationships all over the world, right? Weapons man- you know, weapons, drug running, weapons, all of these different, you know, terrorist groups, crim- crime syndicates, right? Their job is to know information about every government, all of the, you know, separatist groups that could potentially take over and become the next government. They have all of these connections, and then they either leave the CIA, they retire, or supposedly it never occurs to any of them to make a buck. That's the real question, right?

   2. TDTim Dillon33:26

      Uh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:26

      It never occurs to any of these people that there might be a great way to make a buck working with some of these people outside of Congress, the White House, all of that. That's, as it's been explained to me by pretty smart people, that's what you have. You have a rogue element-

   4. TDTim Dillon33:46

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:47

      ... of people in those agencies that have massive amounts of money.

   6. TDTim Dillon33:53

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:53

      And they're very well-connected, and they're running weapons, and the president has no idea what's going on.

   8. TDTim Dillon33:59

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:00

      And Congress has no idea what's going on. They're not briefing a teacher from Georgia who got elected because he promised he was gonna bring, build a fucking shopping mall in a suburb of Atlanta-

   10. TDTim Dillon34:12

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       ... about what they're doing in Syria.

   12. TDTim Dillon34:14

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       They're not briefing these people.

   14. TDTim Dillon34:16

       Exactly.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       There's nothing Democratic about what's happening. And so then you think to yourself, you're like, "Well, how do we make sure everyone keeps their mouths shut? How do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut?"

   16. TDTim Dillon34:26

       Cha-ching.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Then we go, not only money, but that's when we bring in Ghislaine Maxwell.

   18. TDTim Dillon34:32

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:33

       That's when we bring in Jeffrey Epstein, right? That's when we bring in people who go, "Let's all have fun. We've got a great weekend getaway planned, and then we can all be on camera doing something that would get us thrown in jail, have people rightly disgusted and want to kill us." And the worst things ever are now on camera somewhere, those tapes are somewhere. Now everybody is completely incapable of ever coming out and saying what's going on.

   20. TDTim Dillon35:05

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       And, you know, and then those people are running a, a, a parallel government. It's a parallel command structure, and that's a huge problem.

   22. TDTim Dillon35:17

       And it was essentially completely in control for four years.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       Probably for more than four.

   24. TDTim Dillon35:22

       But for the last four-

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:23

       Yeah.

   26. TDTim Dillon35:23

       ... for sure.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       Thousand percent.

   28. TDTim Dillon35:24

       That's the best example we've ever had of that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       Thousand percent.

   30. TDTim Dillon35:27

       Okay, that's, that guy's never really running things.
10. 52:40 – 55:14

    Culture-war fatigue and ‘weird ties’: Blink-182, USO tours, and Laurel Canyon paranoia

    1. TDTim Dillon52:40

       Did you hear this story at all?

    2. Blink-182 and Mark Hoppus actually might've helped the military capture Saddam Hussein. What?

    3. So they were on a USO tour in 2003, and they got asked to come in and do like a private show.

    4. (sniffs)

    5. And he sat down, it's like as here.

    6. Said, "Sir, I have a plan to catch Saddam Hussein," the musician recalled telling a Navy admiral on board the aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. According to Hoppus, Hussein had been sending video messages to his followers from an unknown location at the time. The musician felt that the military could use drones to their advantage and uncover his location by pulling data from the video messages. "Sir, what about having drones fly all over the region in carpeting patterns, broadcasting time codes above the level of human hearing, but at the level that a video recording would catch it?" Hoppus suggested to the admiral. "Then the next time he releases one of his videos, you could listen to it, pull the ultrasonic data, and triangulate the drones you have flying all over." Holy shit.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:36

       This is the guy from Blink-182?

    8. TDTim Dillon53:39

       Yeah, I think his dad was in the military or something, is how he-

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:40

       Someone was in something.

    10. TDTim Dillon53:42

        He knew, he knew... Yeah.

    11. Okay, this brings me back to that fucking Strange Times in Laurel Canyon shit.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        Yeah.

    13. TDTim Dillon53:48

        Four months later, Saddam was located and captured in Iraq, so you're welcome, everyone.

    14. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:53

        What a great book. The... Well, not only-

    16. TDTim Dillon53:55

        Weird.

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:55

        ... the Tom O'Neill book, but then the, this Dave McGowan book, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon.

    18. TDTim Dillon53:59

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan53:59

        I lived up there. When I was living in LA I lived up there, and it... I'm telling you, that is the creepiest vibe of any area that I've ever been to in my life.

    20. TDTim Dillon54:06

        It's a weird vibe.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:07

        They have that fucking military installation at Lookout Mountain.

    22. TDTim Dillon54:09

        Jared Leto owns that.

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        He lives-

    24. TDTim Dillon54:11

        He lives there now.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:12

        Doesn't he have a whole cult?

    26. TDTim Dillon54:13

        Shh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:14

        Okay.

    28. TDTim Dillon54:14

        He's a good guy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:15

        I'm sure he is. I'm not saying it's bad to have a cult.

    30. TDTim Dillon54:18

        He... They tried to investigate his cult.
11. 55:14 – 1:02:01

    China’s tech rise: smuggled AI chips, drones, Starlink, and government control of innovation

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:14

       ... you know, I was on the All-In podcast the other day, and they were talking about, um, these chips, these NVIDIA chips, and how what's interesting is people are setting up... 'Cause we have these export controls that don't allow us to send certain chips to China 'cause they're able to, like, manipulate them-

    2. TDTim Dillon55:30

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:30

       ... and then become the, like, world's largest semiconductor producer. But now, all these fun fake companies are starting in, like, Bhutan or Cambodia, and they're buying the chips-

    4. TDTim Dillon55:42

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:42

       ... or Singapore, and then they all get back to China.

    6. TDTim Dillon55:45

       Well, the- the one of the guys who worked at whatever the-

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:48

       Yeah.

    8. TDTim Dillon55:49

       ... preeminent- preeminent AI system in China was saying, one of the most whistleblowers were saying that they have-

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:55

       Yeah.

    10. TDTim Dillon55:55

        ... 50,000 of these fucking banned chips.

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        That's so wild.

    12. TDTim Dillon55:59

        Whoopsies.

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        And so they're- they're- they're-

    14. TDTim Dillon56:00

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:00

        ... they were talking about, like, is it better to send them the chips or is better to, if you didn't- if you don't send them the chips, then it spurs their innovation and they make the chips?

    16. TDTim Dillon56:08

        Well, either way, they're gonna get the chips.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:10

        Yeah.

    18. TDTim Dillon56:10

        They're-

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:10

        They're getting the chips.

    20. TDTim Dillon56:11

        They- they're both innovating and stealing at the same time. They're-

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        Can there be anything done to stop their rise?

    22. TDTim Dillon56:17

        Nah, not at this point.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        Doesn't feel like it, right?

    24. TDTim Dillon56:20

        They're so much more technologically advanced in so many different areas now.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        Yeah.

    26. TDTim Dillon56:23

        Like, the drones that they have are so superior to the commercial drones that we have, because drones over here, you have to have a pilot's license to drive the really spicy ones.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:34

        Do you think some of those-

    28. TDTim Dillon56:35

        So they're all regulated.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:35

        ... drones over New Jersey were theirs?

    30. TDTim Dillon56:37

        Could be. I think they were ours. I honestly do, otherwi- I think they would've shot them down if they could. Um, I don't know if they could. And maybe they wouldn't, because then it would alarm people, 'cause then it would like- you would show that that is a legitimate threat.
12. 1:02:01 – 1:05:54

    Austin crime and disappearances: serial killer rumors, famous unsolved cases, and how people vanish

    1. TDTim Dillon1:02:01

       (laughs) Bro, they still don't wanna admit that there's a serial killer.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       You're the tourism board. Um, yeah, no. There, there's... Something's up.

    3. TDTim Dillon1:02:08

       There's a serial killer.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       Something's going on.

    5. TDTim Dillon1:02:10

       I believe there's a serial killer.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

       And what are they doing? They're luring people to that bridge, and then-

    7. TDTim Dillon1:02:14

       Yeah, well, it's not hard. People like to go-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       Right.

    9. TDTim Dillon1:02:16

       ... to the bridge. They just gotta look out for the bushes.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

        So weird. I guess it's such a high to kill someone. It's, uh... To me, I'm like, "What do you get out of it?" But I guess the people that are doing it like it.

    11. TDTim Dillon1:02:24

        They're broken.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

        Inters-

    13. TDTim Dillon1:02:25

        There's broken people.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

        Yeah.

    15. TDTim Dillon1:02:26

        And some broken people do meth, and some broken people drown guys who like to party.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

        Do you ever talk to, like... I'm sure you have. This is a stupid question, but, like, the high-level law enforcement guys that have just met these monsters-

    17. TDTim Dillon1:02:37

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

        ... and stuff?

    19. TDTim Dillon1:02:37

        Oh, yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

        And i- is there, is there... Uh, do they believe that it's, like... I- is there any part of them that believes someone's just born-

    21. TDTim Dillon1:02:45

        Yes.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

        I- interesting.

    23. TDTim Dillon1:02:47

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

        Yeah.

    25. TDTim Dillon1:02:48

        And it's generally you have psychotic parents. And so, it's... Was it... Whether it's nature or nurture is hard to separate, because you're probably abused. And generally, at an early age, they show, like, a, a willingness to torture, like, house pets and stuff-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:04

        Animals.

    27. TDTim Dillon1:03:04

        ... like that. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

        Yeah.

    29. TDTim Dillon1:03:05

        Yeah, they'll maybe start off with a frog they catch and stick a, like, a firecracker in its mouth, and-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

        Yeah.
13. 1:05:54 – 1:12:12

    National parks, Bigfoot, and illegal grows: wilderness myth vs brutal reality

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

       Do you think that there are people that are... You know, national parks seem to be like a hotbed of people disappearing.

    2. TDTim Dillon1:06:03

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

       And do you think-

    4. TDTim Dillon1:06:03

       Like Appalachian Trail people, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

       Yeah. Do you think that's people getting you, or is that a lot of it? Like, "I got lost. I got eaten."

    6. TDTim Dillon1:06:09

       You get lost.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:10

       Yeah.

    8. TDTim Dillon1:06:11

       You get eaten. There's a guy who has this whole series, uh, 41... Is it 911 Missing or 411 Missing People in National Parks? Listen, man, (clears throat) you're just meat out there, and you get eaten. And by the way, you don't find dead anything out there. You don't find dead mountain lions. Guess what? They die all the time. I've never seen a dead mountain lion when I was hunting.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:32

       Because they, they get eaten.

    10. TDTim Dillon1:06:33

        They get eaten.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:34

        Right.

    12. TDTim Dillon1:06:34

        Everything gets eat... You get... Not only do you get eaten, your bones get eaten. Everything gets eaten.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:38

        Right.

    14. TDTim Dillon1:06:38

        It's...

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:39

        So, it's not uncommon to disappear and there's no trace.

    16. TDTim Dillon1:06:42

        No trace.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:43

        Yeah.

    18. TDTim Dillon1:06:43

        Yeah, super common. So, if you're in a, a high traffic area, like I've, um... Hunting, I've found elk bones where a hunter killed the elk and then, you know, took all the meat off the bones and then left the bones there. That's, that's what you do when you pack out meat.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:01

        Yeah.

    20. TDTim Dillon1:07:01

        And I found those, those animals.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:03

        Wow.

    22. TDTim Dillon1:07:03

        I actually even found one animal that I shot a long time ago. I shot, like, four years ago. And we were-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:07

        And you found it?

    24. TDTim Dillon1:07:08

        Yeah, we were in the same location, and it was the same bones. There wasn't all the bones there left.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:13

        Right.

    26. TDTim Dillon1:07:13

        Some of them had been dragged away. Some of them have probably been eaten by rodents. You know, they, they eat the bones.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:19

        Yeah.

    28. TDTim Dillon1:07:19

        It's slowly but surely. And if you're a human, you're made out of nothing. You're so easy to eat.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:24

        ... right.

    30. TDTim Dillon1:07:24

        You know, like, our bones are less dense. Our s- our meat is, is soft and chewy.

Episode duration: 2:39:59