Joe Rogan Experience #2307 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 3:52

   Cold open: Celebrity space tourism and “don’t minimize” jokes

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      (drums) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello?

   4. TDTim Dillon0:13

      Hey, Tim Dillon.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How are you?

   6. TDTim Dillon0:15

      I'm much better now that the ladies are back from space. I was worried sick.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Thank you for having me. What were they up there, 10 minutes?

   8. TDTim Dillon0:20

      Well, it was very profound. I don't know-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Yeah.

   10. TDTim Dillon0:22

       ... if you've seen Katy Perry talk about it, but she's basically a guru now.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah. What were her findings? That's my question.

   12. TDTim Dillon0:27

       Well, she brought a daisy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       What did she learn? Right. (laughs)

   14. TDTim Dillon0:29

       ... which is super important. Shows you how quick the flight was.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon0:33

       The dead daisy that's, like, snipped from its life source was still, still alive-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       (laughs)

   18. TDTim Dillon0:39

       ... or still vibrant.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. And it's so, it's so-

   20. TDTim Dillon0:41

       Look at her.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       ... this.

   22. TDTim Dillon0:42

       Yeah. << Shut it, Daisy. >>

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Wow.

   24. TDTim Dillon0:44

       Look at her nails, so pretty.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Now, so they go up there, and they float for, like, 10 minutes?

   26. TDTim Dillon0:50

       Mm, at least.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       And then they come down.

   28. TDTim Dillon0:52

       Let's not minimize this.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       No, I, I know.

   30. TDTim Dillon0:53

       Let's, uh-
2. 3:52 – 7:43

   How risky is a suborbital launch? Kármán line, reentry, and failure modes

   1. TDTim Dillon3:52

      I think this is the confusion. I think the confusion is that (clears throat) they essentially got to the threshold of space. They did not get, like, way out there, where-

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      But not outer space.

   3. TDTim Dillon4:03

      ... reentry is very traumatic. And it, it has, like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Right.

   5. TDTim Dillon4:07

      ... if you see, like, those heat shields that they put all over those things, and if they break off on the reentry, everybody dies.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Right.

   7. TDTim Dillon4:14

      That's 'cause you're way out there, and the amount of heat that gets generated as you're reentering the atmosphere, I think they're essentially, like, on the border of the atmosphere. Let's see, how high did they go up there?

   8. 62 miles. They go above that line. It's called the Kármán line or something.

   9. That's what I'm saying. So the space shuttle goes 300 miles-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       They went a little higher than that rocket, that Rocket Man documentary, that guy who shot himself up-

   11. TDTim Dillon4:33

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       ... in a rocket.

   13. TDTim Dillon4:34

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       They went, like, a few feet higher than that guy.

   15. TDTim Dillon4:37

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       RIP to that guy. I drove by his grave on the way to Vegas when LA burned down.

   17. TDTim Dillon4:41

       Are they even, like, technically actually in space?

   18. I think that's where the, like, it floats... That's the line, is-

   19. I might go there. I might do that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Do it.

   21. TDTim Dillon4:49

       I wouldn't go to space space, but I might do the 80, 80 miles.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Do that.

   23. TDTim Dillon4:54

       So 350 miles is the highest anyone has ever gone other than the Apollo astronauts.

   24. It's like 62, 100 kilometers.

   25. 62 miles. Okay, 62 miles ain't shit, dude. I, I drive that in an hour, you know what I'm saying?

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah, and it's-

   27. TDTim Dillon5:09

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       By the way, I agree with you, like... (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon5:11

       It's not that far. That's not even here to San Antonio. 62 miles ain't shit, but it is kinda technically space.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       So they get up there and they look at the Earth?
3. 7:43 – 9:45

   From space talk to UFOs: Roswell blueprints, Bob Lazar, and deep-state compartmentalization

   1. TDTim Dillon7:43

      Right? So, the pressure would keep them shut. So, generally, like, there's like a seal. And it's really kinda crazy. Like, I have a friend of mine, a very wealthy businessman who brings me over to his house the other day. He goes, "I wanna show you something." And he shows me this diagram. He said this is from the 1950s and this is the blueprint for the recreation UFO that they made when they, when they tried to back engineer the one that they found at Roswell.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:11

      And they had a... this was a diagram?

   3. TDTim Dillon8:13

      Yeah. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      Crazy.

   5. TDTim Dillon8:14

      And it had a crank handle like a submarine door, you know? So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      And they were trying to replicate a craft that had landed?

   7. TDTim Dillon8:22

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Crashed.

   9. TDTim Dillon8:22

      Yeah. They... well, he thinks they did.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Wow.

   11. TDTim Dillon8:26

       He doesn't think it's a try. He said this is the blueprint, because it had the actual... by the way, the exact generator in the center of it that Bob Lazar described-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Yeah.

   13. TDTim Dillon8:35

       ... in 1989 when he worked at Area S4.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       What layer of the government do you think is working on projects like that? Like, is it all the DARPA people?

   15. TDTim Dillon8:45

       I think it's people that are completely disconnected from congressmen, senators, presidents.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       Right. Right.

   17. TDTim Dillon8:51

       It's all deep state 'cause it's all people that have-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Right. They, they have to be like... they probably belong to an agency without a name.

   19. TDTim Dillon8:57

       Well, there's probably a bunch of those.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       Right.

   21. TDTim Dillon8:59

       And, and when it comes to this kind of stuff, like, we already know now because of Doge that there was money that was going with no receipts. Tr- billions and billions of dollars that was just flying out with no receipts. They have no idea where it went. And Elon openly said if this was... he goes, "If this was a public company, the sh- it would be delisted and-"

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon9:21

       "... the people who ran it would go to prison." But because it's the government, you're like, "Oh, I don't know what we did. We just, eh." They have no receipts.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Do you think-

   25. TDTim Dillon9:31

       That could be going to it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Do you think they'll bring charges against anyone for fraud?

   27. TDTim Dillon9:35

       That's the worry about disclosure.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       'Cause that's what-

   29. TDTim Dillon9:37

       And I think that's what's holding it back.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       I think people needs concrete stuff.
4. 9:45 – 12:51

   Katy Perry clip reaction and the backlash to billionaire-adjacent virtue statements

   1. TDTim Dillon9:45

      You wanna see concrete? Let's hear Katy Perry talk about-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      Right. (laughs)

   3. TDTim Dillon9:48

      ... going to space. Here, I'm gonna send you one.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:51

      (laughs)

   5. TDTim Dillon9:51

      (laughs) I sent you a few this morning. I said, "Let's discuss."

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:54

      I saw her. I saw her. I chatted about it on my show. I saw her say something about, "We weren't taking space, we're making space."

   7. TDTim Dillon10:02

      That's the one I wanna send you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Which I thought was an-

   9. TDTim Dillon10:04

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       ... interesting scientific.

   11. TDTim Dillon10:06

       It's not this one?

   12. No, no, no. I got another one. I got some better ones. I got this. This is it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       What is funny is immediately after they landed.

   14. TDTim Dillon10:12

       Well, actually, that one's pretty good. Th- this is the one I sent you?

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:13

       It is funny. To do something like this and then everyone hates you. Like, everyone hates them now.

   16. TDTim Dillon10:17

       They shouldn't hate her. Oh, no. That's not it, Jamie. I'll send it to you.

   17. Yeah, this one has all of them in it.

   18. I have so many of them. (laughs) I don't think that one has the making space. Try this one.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       (laughs)

   20. TDTim Dillon10:30

       It's so fun when pe- why is it so fun when people get pretentious? 'Cause you're... I guess 'cause you're terrified that you would ever do it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Well, yeah. And I also think it's fun to see somebody who has no self-awareness.

   22. TDTim Dillon10:39

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       They're always the most fun.

   24. NANarrator10:42

       I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there and you see the Earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen. And it's not just your window. It's like everybody's window and there's no boundaries, there's no border. There's just Earth. And it just fills the screen.

   25. TDTim Dillon11:00

       I like how it says, "Astronaut."

   26. NANarrator11:00

       And when you get up there and you see the Earth and it's so beautiful and it just fills the screen.

   27. TDTim Dillon11:06

       Is it what you expected?

   28. NANarrator11:10

       No. No. (laughs)

   29. NANarrator11:12

       Better?

   30. NANarrator11:12

       N- oh, yeah. (laughs)
5. 12:51 – 15:06

   Immigration enforcement stories and distrust in partisan narratives

   1. TDTim Dillon12:51

      Oh, you see they released the, um, footage, uh, dash cam footage or police footage of the guy who they're saying was just a father.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:00

      The Maryland father?

   3. TDTim Dillon13:01

      Yeah, as he got pulled over with eight undocumented people-

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:04

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon13:04

      ... in his truck. They were all supposedly staying at his house.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:07

      Yeah. I didn't see that, but-

   7. TDTim Dillon13:08

      Yeah. Uh, uh, the wife had a restraining order against him, a pro- protection order in 2021.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:13

      I saw that there was a restraining order. I saw that they... He was hanging out with two guys that were ad- m- in- in MS-13.

   9. TDTim Dillon13:20

      Yeah, they released the... Yeah, he's, he's definitely sketchy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       They have made a few mistakes.

   11. TDTim Dillon13:25

       But it's not, he's not this Maryland father.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       No.

   13. TDTim Dillon13:27

       The guy that scares me is the hairdresser.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       The gay hairstylist?

   15. TDTim Dillon13:30

       Yeah. I want to know what's going on with that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Or there was a guy with a tattoo and his tat-

   17. TDTim Dillon13:33

       That's him. The tet-... Uh, the- the- the mom and dad.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       Oh, the hairdresser has a mom and dad. Oh, no.

   19. TDTim Dillon13:35

       He has the autism... Oh, no.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Oh, no, there was a guy with an autism awareness tattoo and they thought it was, like, an MS-13 tattoo, but it l-... It, it doesn't look like an MS-13 tattoo. It's a literal...

   21. TDTim Dillon13:46

       The problem is everybody's a liar.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       You don't know.

   23. TDTim Dillon13:49

       So the liberals are liars and the Republicans are liars.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Everyone's lying.

   25. TDTim Dillon13:53

       They're all lying. And if they did ship some hairstylist-

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Ironically, the only people I trust are MS-13-

   27. TDTim Dillon13:57

       And podcasters.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       ... 'cause they'll, they'll tell you.

   29. TDTim Dillon13:59

       And podcasters.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       Podcasters and MS-13.
6. 15:06 – 26:51

   CNN, editing, and the “podcasters are the new establishment” debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      I did a CNN interview for an hour because I'm promoting my special, and then-

   2. TDTim Dillon15:11

      Oh, my God. Did you really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... I... Yeah, and they asked me-

   4. TDTim Dillon15:12

      Who'd you talk to?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      This girl, Elle Reeves.

   6. TDTim Dillon15:14

      Was she cool?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Elle, she was cool. She does all the... You know when you see the Vice documentaries where she talks to the Nazis and the incels?

   8. TDTim Dillon15:20

      Oh, Jesus, she does that?

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      It was that chick.

   10. TDTim Dillon15:23

       Oh, whoa.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And they sent her in. I-

   12. TDTim Dillon15:24

       Oh, that's a good move for them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       I was like, "This is hilarious." So I'm sitting there and she sits down, she's like, "Are there any left-wing comedians?" And I name 10 of them that are all in arenas. And she goes, "Oh." 'Cause their whole thing now is that podcasters are the most powerful people in the world. And she goes, "Do you think your friends are the new establishment?" I said, "Well, there's 22 intelligence agencies and it's hard to legace media. There's lots of Ivy League schools. There's this, there's that. Do I think Theo Von's the new establishment? No."

   14. TDTim Dillon15:51

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       "I don't think so. I think, (laughs) I think you ran a really unpopular candidate. I don't think Americans like child sex changes."

   16. TDTim Dillon15:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       "And I don't think they want an open border. And I think if you'd, you know, co-opted some of those issues, you might've won." They said to me at CNN, they're like, "We're editing the interview." I said, "Put the hour out." I sat there for an hour and, and we had a nice conversation, but, you know, we talked for one hour. And I was like, "Put it out." I'm like, "I understand if you can't put it out." Uh, and then she goes like this, she goes, um, "I can't believe you'd show up. Um, people have said that they can't come on here because Joe Rogan would get mad at them." I said, "That's absolutely ridiculous."

   18. TDTim Dillon16:31

       Why would I care?

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       I said, "He doesn't care. He would never care." I said-

   20. TDTim Dillon16:34

       Oh, that's so silly.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       "It's the silliest thing ever."

   22. TDTim Dillon16:36

       They think we're at war.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       I just said, "Put out the thing. Put out the hour online. If you can only put out a few minutes on, on network, fine. But it's wrong to have someone come in and talk for an hour-"

   24. TDTim Dillon16:47

       Right, and then-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       ... and then not-

   26. TDTim Dillon16:48

       ... use three minutes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       ... and then use five minutes."

   28. TDTim Dillon16:50

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       It's fucked up.

   30. TDTim Dillon16:51

       So what, uh, how much did they use?
7. 26:51 – 32:35

   War, ideology, and the post-COVID trust collapse (lab leak, Fauci, accountability)

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:51

      People gotta separate, you know, and I think this is not... I think people got to separate, like, governments from people, intelligence agencies from people. I think that's the whole thing. I think people are losing the ability to do that in this case, right? 'Cause y- people that, when you criticize Israel or you criticize something that may or may not have been done by, uh, a government or is an intelligence agency, you're not criticizing people.

   2. TDTim Dillon27:13

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:13

      You're criticizing a group of people making decisions. I don't think America always does things that are in the best interest of the American people.

   4. TDTim Dillon27:20

      Right. Well, this is the problem with when everybody sort of picks sides during the COVID thing, w- whether or not we should trust the vaccine companies, because, like, y- you did it because you're on the left and the people on the right were the ones who didn't want to take it. So instead of just looking at it objectively, the people on the left were like, "Everybody who doesn't agree is a, a science denier," and it got, like, really kooky, 'cause it-

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:44

      Right.

   6. TDTim Dillon27:44

      ... it got ideological. And as soon as it's ideological, you can fucking justify anything.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:50

      Right.

   8. TDTim Dillon27:50

      This is how, how Jewish-Americans are justifying, "Well, Hamas uses people as human shields." Like, they'll say things like that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:57

      Right.

   10. TDTim Dillon27:57

       Like, it's a way you can justify mass murder.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:59

       Yeah.

   12. TDTim Dillon27:59

       It's a way you can justify anything. Anything. If, as long as the tribe on your side, what- whatever your clan is-

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:07

       Right.

   14. TDTim Dillon28:08

       ... you can, you can justify things. And so people stop thinking. They stop thinking, and they just think completely along ideological lines, and it's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:16

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon28:16

       ... frustrating as fuck.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       It is. It is. And passionately.

   18. TDTim Dillon28:19

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:19

       Very passionately.

   20. TDTim Dillon28:20

       Oh, they're right, you're wrong.

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:21

       No one is ever questioning anything.

   22. TDTim Dillon28:24

       No one ever questions science.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       No, no one ever, no, no one goes, "Wait a minute." Like, I think it's healthy to, every now and then, go, "Maybe I'm wrong."

   24. TDTim Dillon28:32

       Yeah, there was just something that got released today that showed, they just released today that showed that COVID-19-

   25. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       Yep.

   26. TDTim Dillon28:38

       ... definitively came from that lab.

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       1000%

   28. TDTim Dillon28:41

       100% proof it came from that lab.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:43

       I read it, uh, a little bit of it on the way here.

   30. TDTim Dillon28:46

       Yeah, it's fucking nuts.
8. 32:35 – 1:02:01

   Parallel power: intelligence agencies, blackmail, Epstein, and ‘who really governs’

   1. TDTim Dillon32:35

      Well, what do you think is happening now then? Do you think that ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:39

      I think you have these guys, right? So you have these guys that, that go into the CIA. They, they, they, they learn all about these underground groups. They have all of these different relationships all over the world, right? Weapons man- you know, weapons, drug running, weapons, all of these different, you know, terrorist groups, crim- crime syndicates, right? Their job is to know information about every government, all of the, you know, separatist groups that could potentially take over and become the next government. They have all of these connections, and then they either leave the CIA, they retire, or supposedly it never occurs to any of them to make a buck. That's the real question, right?

   3. TDTim Dillon33:26

      Uh.

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:26

      It never occurs to any of these people that there might be a great way to make a buck working with some of these people outside of Congress, the White House, all of that. That's, as it's been explained to me by pretty smart people, that's what you have. You have a rogue element-

   5. TDTim Dillon33:46

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:47

      ... of people in those agencies that have massive amounts of money.

   7. TDTim Dillon33:53

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:53

      And they're very well-connected, and they're running weapons, and the president has no idea what's going on.

   9. TDTim Dillon33:59

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       And Congress has no idea what's going on. They're not briefing a teacher from Georgia who got elected because he promised he was gonna bring, build a fucking shopping mall in a suburb of Atlanta-

   11. TDTim Dillon34:12

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       ... about what they're doing in Syria.

   13. TDTim Dillon34:14

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       They're not briefing these people.

   15. TDTim Dillon34:16

       Exactly.

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       There's nothing Democratic about what's happening. And so then you think to yourself, you're like, "Well, how do we make sure everyone keeps their mouths shut? How do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut?"

   17. TDTim Dillon34:26

       Cha-ching.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Then we go, not only money, but that's when we bring in Ghislaine Maxwell.

   19. TDTim Dillon34:32

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:33

       That's when we bring in Jeffrey Epstein, right? That's when we bring in people who go, "Let's all have fun. We've got a great weekend getaway planned, and then we can all be on camera doing something that would get us thrown in jail, have people rightly disgusted and want to kill us." And the worst things ever are now on camera somewhere, those tapes are somewhere. Now everybody is completely incapable of ever coming out and saying what's going on.

   21. TDTim Dillon35:05

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:06

       And, you know, and then those people are running a, a, a parallel government. It's a parallel command structure, and that's a huge problem.

   23. TDTim Dillon35:17

       And it was essentially completely in control for four years.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       Probably for more than four.

   25. TDTim Dillon35:22

       But for the last four-

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:23

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon35:23

       ... for sure.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       Thousand percent.

   29. TDTim Dillon35:24

       That's the best example we've ever had of that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       Thousand percent.
9. 1:02:01 – 1:05:54

   From conspiracies to local chaos: Austin serial-killer speculation and true-crime detours

   1. TDTim Dillon1:02:01

      (laughs) Bro, they still don't wanna admit that there's a serial killer.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

      You're the tourism board. Um, yeah, no. There, there's... Something's up.

   3. TDTim Dillon1:02:08

      There's a serial killer.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

      Something's going on.

   5. TDTim Dillon1:02:10

      I believe there's a serial killer.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

      And what are they doing? They're luring people to that bridge, and then-

   7. TDTim Dillon1:02:14

      Yeah, well, it's not hard. People like to go-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

      Right.

   9. TDTim Dillon1:02:16

      ... to the bridge. They just gotta look out for the bushes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       So weird. I guess it's such a high to kill someone. It's, uh... To me, I'm like, "What do you get out of it?" But I guess the people that are doing it like it.

   11. TDTim Dillon1:02:24

       They're broken.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       Inters-

   13. TDTim Dillon1:02:25

       There's broken people.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

       Yeah.

   15. TDTim Dillon1:02:26

       And some broken people do meth, and some broken people drown guys who like to party.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

       Do you ever talk to, like... I'm sure you have. This is a stupid question, but, like, the high-level law enforcement guys that have just met these monsters-

   17. TDTim Dillon1:02:37

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       ... and stuff?

   19. TDTim Dillon1:02:37

       Oh, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       And i- is there, is there... Uh, do they believe that it's, like... I- is there any part of them that believes someone's just born-

   21. TDTim Dillon1:02:45

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

       I- interesting.

   23. TDTim Dillon1:02:47

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

       Yeah.

   25. TDTim Dillon1:02:48

       And it's generally you have psychotic parents. And so, it's... Was it... Whether it's nature or nurture is hard to separate, because you're probably abused. And generally, at an early age, they show, like, a, a willingness to torture, like, house pets and stuff-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:04

       Animals.

   27. TDTim Dillon1:03:04

       ... like that. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

       Yeah.

   29. TDTim Dillon1:03:05

       Yeah, they'll maybe start off with a frog they catch and stick a, like, a firecracker in its mouth, and-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

       Yeah.
10. 1:05:54 – 1:10:45

    Disappearing in national parks: predators, exposure, and why no trace is common

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

       Do you think that there are people that are... You know, national parks seem to be like a hotbed of people disappearing.

    2. TDTim Dillon1:06:03

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

       And do you think-

    4. TDTim Dillon1:06:03

       Like Appalachian Trail people, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

       Yeah. Do you think that's people getting you, or is that a lot of it? Like, "I got lost. I got eaten."

    6. TDTim Dillon1:06:09

       You get lost.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:10

       Yeah.

    8. TDTim Dillon1:06:11

       You get eaten. There's a guy who has this whole series, uh, 41... Is it 911 Missing or 411 Missing People in National Parks? Listen, man, (clears throat) you're just meat out there, and you get eaten. And by the way, you don't find dead anything out there. You don't find dead mountain lions. Guess what? They die all the time. I've never seen a dead mountain lion when I was hunting.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:32

       Because they, they get eaten.

    10. TDTim Dillon1:06:33

        They get eaten.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:34

        Right.

    12. TDTim Dillon1:06:34

        Everything gets eat... You get... Not only do you get eaten, your bones get eaten. Everything gets eaten.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:38

        Right.

    14. TDTim Dillon1:06:38

        It's...

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:39

        So, it's not uncommon to disappear and there's no trace.

    16. TDTim Dillon1:06:42

        No trace.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:43

        Yeah.

    18. TDTim Dillon1:06:43

        Yeah, super common. So, if you're in a, a high traffic area, like I've, um... Hunting, I've found elk bones where a hunter killed the elk and then, you know, took all the meat off the bones and then left the bones there. That's, that's what you do when you pack out meat.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:01

        Yeah.

    20. TDTim Dillon1:07:01

        And I found those, those animals.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:03

        Wow.

    22. TDTim Dillon1:07:03

        I actually even found one animal that I shot a long time ago. I shot, like, four years ago. And we were-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:07

        And you found it?

    24. TDTim Dillon1:07:08

        Yeah, we were in the same location, and it was the same bones. There wasn't all the bones there left.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:13

        Right.

    26. TDTim Dillon1:07:13

        Some of them had been dragged away. Some of them have probably been eaten by rodents. You know, they, they eat the bones.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:19

        Yeah.

    28. TDTim Dillon1:07:19

        It's slowly but surely. And if you're a human, you're made out of nothing. You're so easy to eat.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:24

        ... right.

    30. TDTim Dillon1:07:24

        You know, like, our bones are less dense. Our s- our meat is, is soft and chewy.

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