Joe Rogan Experience #2312 - Jeremy Renner

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Joe Rogan 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) What's happening, man?

Jeremy Renner 0:14 What's going on?

Joe Rogan 0:15 It's great to see you.

Jeremy Renner 0:16 Yeah, good to be seen. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:18 (laughs) Boy, what a journey you've been on.

Jeremy Renner 0:20 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Oof.

Jeremy Renner 0:22 Yeah, it's been a-

Joe Rogan 0:22 I started listening to your audiobook. It was giving me anxiety.

Jeremy Renner 0:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:27 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 0:27 It gets better, right? (laughs) It takes a minute, but it, there's, there's a relief for the reader.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Well, the relief is-

Jeremy Renner 0:33 For the listener.

Joe Rogan 0:33 ... seeing you healthy-

Jeremy Renner 0:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:34 ... walking around.

Jeremy Renner 0:35 Well, the relief is also, we kinda know the end of the story, right?

Joe Rogan 0:39 Yes.

Jeremy Renner 0:39 Before you go into it.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Right.

Jeremy Renner 0:40 So then you can really kinda dive into the actual detailed narrative that I, I put out. Um-

Joe Rogan 0:45 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 0:45 There's no other way to do it. But, um, but yeah, it's, it's tough for... I mean, it's like I was... Like, my own... My sister, it took her a while to read, and anybody that was kind of involved in the incident, takes a minute. You know, it's... Look, it took, took me a long time to kinda get through it. Right?

Joe Rogan 0:59 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 0:59 It took s- It's anxious for me too. (laughs) So.

Joe Rogan 1:03 So how long was the actual recov- Because you don't even walk with a limp. You're, you're walking-

Jeremy Renner 1:07 Yeah, yeah. It's quite... There's, there's, there's a lot... S- some things are pretty miraculous. Some things can be explained. Some t- And I tried to figure it out as I was writing the book, you know. A lot of people ask questions. I asked myself questions. Um, some things, uh, were on my own will. Some things were of, uh, otherworldly of some sort. Um, but yeah, I was given, you know... I was supposed to walk with a limp, because pretty much a lot of titanium, and then was certainly not running, and I'm doing far beyond all those things. S- Don't know exactly why. I can pontificate on why, and, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:42 What do you think it is?

Jeremy Renner 1:43 I think, I, I think it's... Will is, will is a really special thing, and the, the love and fuel to, to, to fuel your will, um, I had in spades. I, I can... I feel like I could pretty much do anything if I set my mind to it, when it was my, essential part of my life. My recovery was a 24-hour day job, when typically I do many, many other things, right, as we all do in our lives. But when all my focus, like even parenting was out the window until I can get better. So I had to do that first. So that being the central part of every thought, every fiber, every cell in my bodies was geared towards a one-way street of recovery. Well, I'm getting fucking better. So I just got better, and there's no... What's the alternative?

Joe Rogan 2:34 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 2:34 You know, I was, I was brought back somehow, some way. And it would be a disservice to not do all the things I'm supposed to be doing and want to be doing. So it just took a lot of effort. And it took a lot of support, took... Heck, dude, I mean, there's hundreds of people involved in helping me not die again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:56 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 2:56 You know? Uh, but then it was... But at the end of the day, the recovery, as you know, you've been, everybody's been injured in some sort of way. It's a, it's a lonely road. It's your, it's only you. No matter how much help you have or PT you have, if you have... your tendons go, whatever the heck happens, you still have to put in the work every day, and endure the, the pain and manage the pain and mitigate it. And, um, it's, it could be quite lonely. But I always found that the, my, my, my daughter and my family has... I see their faces when I get better. I can stand up, let's say, or not pee in a jar. I can get in the wheelchair and go... Any sort of milestone, I'd see their faces get a little bit less horrified, even relieved, even quite joyful, even. So, uh, as much damage as I did to my family and their, their, their hearts, um, me getting better can, um, can relieve them of that burden. So it was a easy one-way road to recover, and that's why I recovered fast. And I, I attribute it to my love for my family.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Wow. So let's bring back to the day of the accident. What... When exactly was it?

Jeremy Renner 4:02 It was New Year's Day.

Joe Rogan 4:04 New Year's Day.

Jeremy Renner 4:05 New Year's Day, 2023. Yeah. And I host my family at my house up there, uh, like 25 people every, post-Christmas to New Year's, all the time. Friend- family friends, whoever, um, just kind of come up and we can celebrate the, the holidays together. Go skiing, all these type of things. But we had a big kind of Snowmageddon-type snow event that, you know, shut down the mountain that I live on at the top of, uh, uh, Lake Tahoe, about 8,000 feet elevation, and we got just tons and tons of snow. But it happens often. Maybe not that intense of a storm. But so much so where we were cut off from anywhere else. We're snowed in. Fine, I'm prepared for that stuff. Um, three days without power. Prepared for it. It's fine, we can have fun. Uh, it's actually a relief. All the cell phones go off. All the iPads go away and computers, and everybody's just playing card games with headlamps on. And I mean, it's a riot. So we had a, a good time. You know, s- food supply was still good. But, you know, it's, you know, it's New Year's Day and we're getting a break in the weather, so I decided I need to clear the roads and see, come out for air, essentially. And, um, and in doing so, that's when the accident sort of transpired. It's... And it's not... It's more of a routine type of thing to have a half-mile-long driveway up there. And I have to maintain it myself, so I have a snow cat and a bunch of other snow removal-type equipment. There was a bunch of vehicles, snowmobiles even, things that got stuck in the driveway, 'cause it, it was a lot of extra snow and it was very, some of it was very light, and then it got very icy and hard, so you're sinking down like three or four feet into it and

Jeremy Renner 5:35 it was a hot mess. So had to try to dig all that stuff out using the snow cat, pulling this stuff out. This thing, a snow cat, to describe it in words is pretty difficult, but it's like a tank. Um, it's probably, I don't know, 12 feet wide, the tracks on each side. So it, so it spins like a tank, like a skid steer.

Joe Rogan 5:54 There it is.

Jeremy Renner 5:54 Yeah, there we go. So that's, that's, that's a small, tiny version of one. Um, but yeah, it's something kind of, like out of Star Wars, you know. But this minor or metal track, it's more like that one right there.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Oh, you've got-

Jeremy Renner 6:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:04 ... one like that?

Jeremy Renner 6:05 That, That's it. That's exactly like the one I have.

Joe Rogan 6:08 (sighs)

Jeremy Renner 6:08 So, it's about like 16,000 pounds or so. And it's, it's very nimble on the snow. (laughs) On the snow.

Joe Rogan 6:15 Just to see it physic ... Put it back up. To see it physically and to know that that's what ran over your leg?

Jeremy Renner 6:21 Oh, my whole body.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Oh, God.

Jeremy Renner 6:23 Yeah. It was, uh ... So you have to step on the tracks, you see, to get into the cab to operate it. So stepping on the tracks is, is a normal thing to do, you just don't do it while the thing's ... you're operating it, right? You're in the thing-

Joe Rogan 6:36 Right.

Jeremy Renner 6:37 ... you drive it and it's just easy to thumb, go forward, r- reverse, and then you're neutral and that's it. It's really easy to operate. Um, but it was just ... Uh, the accident happened because you have to get in and out on the, off on those tracks, and I hit the, the thumb thing and, uh, it threw me off and I was going towards my nephew, so I had to jump back on and try to stop it from killing him, because it was going to crush him between the truck and the-

Joe Rogan 6:59 Whoa.

Jeremy Renner 6:59 And that big blade that I have. You see that thing?

Joe Rogan 7:01 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 7:02 It's a few thousand pounds, that thing. It's gnarly. But ... So, my instinct was to jump back on it and try to stop it. Um, you know, obviously it didn't work out, and it got ran over and, and, uh, there you go.

Joe Rogan 7:15 What... How much of your body did it run over?

Jeremy Renner 7:17 The entire ... All of it.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 7:18 I was ... Because I went ... If I had ... If I had ... The tracks were here to jump in the cab, I leaped, leapt up and over to try to grab onto it and got sucked under the whole thing, so the wh- so the, so the whole length of it just kind of ... And it ... So there's like a set of wheels that turn these tracks, you see. And there's like six wheels, so it, so it undulates, so when I felt ... All the undulate ... The first one was the worst, like the pressure and the skull crush and all that stuff, and then it releases, because then the undulation of the tire and the, the track. And you're awake for that. Just like by the sixth undulation it's just like, "All right, all right, just kind of finish already." And you're just like, y- y- then well it's like, you know, you're like you're drowning and being struck by lightning and bleeding out. It's all the things all at once, man. It's like an immense pressure and a movable object and, you know, my skull kind of lost out but still survived and, um ...

Joe Rogan 8:12 Your skull got-

Jeremy Renner 8:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:13 ... run over?

Jeremy Renner 8:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it, it's like, you know ... Yeah, it's everything. It's like, it's 38 broken bones and eyeballs out.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 8:23 And it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:25 Shout out to medical science.

Jeremy Renner 8:26 I know, right?

Joe Rogan 8:27 I mean ...

Jeremy Renner 8:28 And, yeah, I mean, all the doctors were like, "Dude, I don't know how your eye's still operating, or still working," but I think because I was on ice, because I did see it and I'm like, "Well, maybe I'm going to put this eye on ice," and just kind of rolled into it. (laughs) Because I saw my eye with my other eye, right? And I'm like, "Well I better keep that thing ..." Because I'm on like an icy asphalt driveway that's off of my driveway, right? The top of the road. So it, it wasn't really great for impact or getting ran over. I wish I was on a snow pack, would have been maybe a little bit easier, would push me into snow, right? But it wasn't. So I just kind of rolled onto it, just like maybe I could kind of put the eye on ice until I could figure out how to breathe, and so-

Joe Rogan 9:06 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 9:07 You know, I had to sort of laugh at it because it's weird to sort of think about that, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:14 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 9:17 So-

Joe Rogan 9:18 38 bones?

Jeremy Renner 9:19 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was like the re- a lot of ribs and all my, my spiral fracture and my legs, all my joints were broken, all my, my ankles, my knees, my ... None, none of my spine and I only got a laceration in my liver from like one of the ribs breaking in a couple of spots and I went down and just kind of stabbed it, but it didn't really mess it up too bad, so that's okay. But all my organs, my brain ... I don't think there's any brain damage. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:50 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 9:50 I'll use that excuse later, I guess.

Joe Rogan 9:52 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 9:53 You know, uh, yeah, and my spine. That, that's the miracle. It's like, how did I break 14 ribs, right, and I cracked my skull and every arm and leg and finger and thing, but my spine was spared.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 10:06 And all my organs were spared, and my brain. It's like, it's kind of almost no harm, no foul at the end of the day, even though there's, you know, probably 20% titanium in my body at this point, but ...

Joe Rogan 10:17 So how many pieces of titanium are in you?

Jeremy Renner 10:20 Well, the guy that invented this procedure w- worked at the hospital in Reno because there's a lot of crushing injuries that happen, because of all the ski resorts and mines that are in the area. So I got really lucky to get this doctor. Uh, but it took four doctors to get to this guy, so, so says my family. I was out in a coma. And, but they, once they found this guy was on vacation, the mayor of Reno actually called him and said, "You've got to get back and help my friend out." And so he rushed out and he's just like, this is what he does for a living, he's like, "Oh, this is easy. I can't wait to do this for this guy," duh duh duh, you know. So it relieved all my family, there was s- such relief because they were like, "Oh, he's going to lose his eye, we're going to cut off his leg." I mean, all this-

Joe Rogan 10:58 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 10:58 ... kind of tragic sort of prognosis, whatever you want to call it, right? So this guy comes in, says, "No, no, it's fine, we're going to hammer this thing in, we're going to do this, we're going to do his face plate, do the thing, we're going to do this." And just lucky that n- the orbital bone that broke and the cheekbone that broke, they only wanted to do that because, um, because my face as, as an actor made them want to save my cheekbone, I guess. I ... Not that I cared about it, but ... Um, but yeah, he fixed up my, my, all my ribs and they used like, like this mesh and this, he has this sort of weird way to kind of handle ... If you fix one or two of the ribs that are all broken, the rest will kind of fall into place, the bone, the body's pretty miraculous, just give it a little direction and then it heals on itself and you'll grow the bone. So, um, it's not as much titanium in my ribs as one might think for all those breaks. It's only ... You know what I mean? (laughs) It's, it looks like rebar, right? You get a scan, like my, a lot of my body's like-

Joe Rogan 11:53 Do you have an X-ray of your body?

Jeremy Renner 11:54 Yeah, somewhere. Yeah, yeah, somewhere.

Joe Rogan 11:56 Is it online anywhere?

Jeremy Renner 11:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:58 Where we could see it?

Jeremy Renner 11:59 I don't know. I could-

Joe Rogan 11:59 Do you have it on your phone or anything?

Jeremy Renner 12:00 I, I don't think so. I could, I could ask my sister for it. She's got all the-

Joe Rogan 12:03 Oh, I'm not showing everybody that thing. (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 12:06 (laughs) ... it, it's, it's pretty c- it's pretty, um, remedial looking, you know? It looks like, you know, like I had a hammer a- and a two by four and some nails, and that's what this looks like. It looks, it's very like, "Is there... Why is there a nail and two screws and..." You know, it's, uh, it's f- carpentry 101, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:25 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 12:26 There's nothing like, you know... I think the guy that... because I had like screws in my skull and my, my jaw, because that broke in three spots.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Oh.

Jeremy Renner 12:33 And they, the guy took it out with a, it's something that he got from Home Depot. It, they literally, it's like a, some, you know, just, he just took it out. I'm like, "Dude, it's squeaking like it's in wood. Uh, did you numb it or something?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:45 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 12:45 I almost knocked this guy out.

Joe Rogan 12:48 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 12:49 It was just like (squeaking) It was unbelievable. Unbelievable. And I was always, I was always kind of half in the, the bag mentally, just kind of... Because it takes so much mental, um, to deal with, like, pain management, and, uh, it's emotionally exhausting to deal with, like, so many different things in your body. So, I'm always kind of half paying attention to things. You know, my, uh, it's... I'm much sharper mentally now because I don't have to mitigate so much inflammation, pain, and all that all the time. So I can kind of be here and laugh with you. Uh, but back then when this guy was... I (laughs) I almost socked this guy so hard, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:33 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 13:33 Um, but, uh, yeah. Glad, that was... I was really happy to, um... That was a great milestone for me to get these screws out of my skull.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Jesus.

Jeremy Renner 13:41 But, um, that was, uh, that was worse than getting ran over by the snow cat dude.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Really?

Jeremy Renner 13:46 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:48 In terms of pain or just discomfort?

Jeremy Renner 13:50 Well, no. Uh, uh, it wasn't so much the pain, uh, uh, it's the haunting images of feeling my, um, gums wrap around this screw as he's... And he's pulling out, and it's a lot longer than I thought it was (laughs) . And then there's three more to go. Uh, it was more the, the visual is, in my mind, um, kind of what makes it terrible. You know, the visual, because I'm a pretty visual guy. And so, I don't think anything, um, hurts me so much in a physical way, but the visual is a pretty haunting image.

Joe Rogan 14:23 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 14:24 And the sounds, dude. It vibrates your skull as he's taking it out.

Joe Rogan 14:28 Ugh.

Jeremy Renner 14:28 And it's like, "Uh." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:32 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 14:32 This is what horror films are made of, right?

Joe Rogan 14:34 Is-

Jeremy Renner 14:34 It's like Saw or something.

Joe Rogan 14:35 Is that the only thing that they had to take out? Is the screws that were in your head, or did they-

Jeremy Renner 14:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:40 ... take them out of your body as well?

Jeremy Renner 14:41 No, no, they have to leave those in for the most part, because why risk infection and open you up to, for something?

Joe Rogan 14:46 Right.

Jeremy Renner 14:46 But, um, yeah. So all that, all the rest of the stuff stays in until those screws come loose. At some point, uh, they will.

Joe Rogan 14:56 They start backing out, right?

Jeremy Renner 14:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Okay.

Jeremy Renner 14:58 Uh, you'd think he'd put in a locking screw, right?

Joe Rogan 15:00 Uh...

Jeremy Renner 15:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:01 I've had friends that have had broken arms and it starts poking out of the bone.

Jeremy Renner 15:04 Yeah, yeah. It does too now.

Joe Rogan 15:06 And they have to get another operation and get it removed.

Jeremy Renner 15:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 15:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:10 So, how many p- different plates do you have?

Jeremy Renner 15:14 I, I think I got... Uh, there's only a couple in my face, and they went in, like, underneath my cheek. A- a plate for my, uh, orbital socket, and then for the cheekbone. They put, I think, a plate or two over there to hold that bone in place.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Do you feel it?

Jeremy Renner 15:28 Um, I f- I feel the, the lack of, um, feeling in it. It's still, still numbness to that, this whole side. Because they had to cut all these nerve endings, right? To get in through your mouth. So even the side of my, um, face is a little slightly, a little, little, little numb-ish.

Joe Rogan 15:50 And the rest of them, do you feel, like... How much do you feel in all your different bones and joints and all the different things that got repaired?

Jeremy Renner 15:59 Yeah, yeah. It's y-, it's, there's lots of scar tissue to work through all the time. Um, it's... What's great is like there's not any one spot. It's like it, it moves around. You know, even if you're not injured, it's like if you just twist your leg wrong and then your, it goes up into your hip, and then it's in your shoulder. It moves around your body, kind of, it moves it around. So you just kind of stay on top of it, and there's always something to, to work through, you know, in your body.

Joe Rogan 16:23 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 16:23 You know? And it's just, you know... Uh, look, I already have to do it anyway. I'm 54. I'm, I'm gonna have to take, take care of my health, and I just have to make it a very central part of my life, so.

Joe Rogan 16:32 And so now, do you have full range of motion, full mobility-

Jeremy Renner 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:36 ... everything is back to normal essentially?

Jeremy Renner 16:38 I don't know what normal is.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Right (laughs) .

Jeremy Renner 16:40 Uh, you know (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 16:42 (laughs) .

Jeremy Renner 16:42 Uh, I'm gonna be, you know, I, I feel like I'm, uh, maybe 110% just because spiritually and mentally, um, I'm so much better. I got so many gifts from dying and coming back that, yeah, I'm, I'm 150%. My body will always be... Look, my body's aging, so I have to fight against age. Well, recovery is age reversing. It's the same, same stuff that people are doing just to reverse age. I just do it just because it's my recovery, and I have to for the rest of my life just to prevent inflammation, um, discomfort and swelling, things like that.

Joe Rogan 17:16 So, when you have so many broken bones and so many broken joints, what is the recovery like? Like, how do they even get you moving again?

Jeremy Renner 17:25 Day by day.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Day by day?

Jeremy Renner 17:27 Yeah, instantly. As soon as I got home from the hospital, um, yeah, it was a PT there, and working to just move, keep things moving. You have to. Otherwise you lose it. You'll lock up or you'll lose it.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Because seeing you walk around today in the studio, I would have no idea.

Jeremy Renner 17:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 You look totally normal.

Jeremy Renner 17:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. It's, it takes a lot of work, and it, and it's still working. Look, I was just having to stretch in your studio. You know, I have to, I have to, I have to move quite a bit so I don't lock up. After, after a good night's sleep, it's like, "Eh, you could be a little stiff in the morning," and I have to do some stretches and things like that. But I think if I didn't get in the accident, I'm 54, I'd probably have to do it anyway.

Joe Rogan 18:08 Right.

Jeremy Renner 18:08 So, um...... feels good to have to be f- to force the stretching, I think.

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Jeremy Renner 19:31 ... just day by day, so you're completely bedridden initially and, and-

Joe Rogan 19:36 Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Renner 19:36 ... how long does it take before you can sit up?

Joe Rogan 19:40 (inhales deeply) I don't know. (sighs) I don't know. It's pretty t- it moved pretty quick. The, the, the r- randomly with the punctured lung and the, all this broke, the shoulder, the f- collar bone dislocation, all this stuff, that healed pretty quickly. But that doesn't require gravity and all th- uh, force under your legs, like, your legs have to take, right? So those, that took a little bit longer, and the legs both a- ankles, right? That's, those are under trauma and, and plates in those. Um, you know, this is all a pipe- (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 20:08 Essentially, pipe, piece of rebar, my, my whole lower leg. So that took a little bit longer, but the, the ribs, ironically, it was only painful for, I, I feel like a couple weeks. I also had these, like, plastic suitcases for my lungs, 'cause they had to let it bleed out and this (metal clang) stuff was going in. I don't know what goop was in that thing (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 20:26 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 20:26 ... but I had to carry those things around for a while. Once I got rid of those, I was kinda sitting up a bit more, and, um, I felt good once I was kinda sitting up. But there's still, as you can imagine, so much trauma, so many places, but I think the longest it was, was really getting up to, to stand up, to walk, to, to get all your joints to work properly again, to relearn to walk, relearn to move, 'cause you really kinda have to. There's a lot of atrophy, as you can imagine, that happens. But I was standing up, um, and moving around. Uh, I got into a chair probably, you know, by the, by, by February, after, like, three weeks.

Joe Rogan 21:04 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 21:05 And, um, the more I could move, the faster you heal, you're getting more blood flow, you're getting, you're getting your body to work better. Um, helped with my, my attitude, uh, and will to get out and sit up. You know, all the things, each of these things are like milestones, and I would just like, "Yeah," and then move forward to the next thing, and set a goal for myself. Even if it was just, like, to sit up and, like, turn, or, uh, I didn't, I didn't have to set such big, to reach too far to keep my confidence high. So, 'cause I keep reaching these goals and just kept going and going and going, and then I find, I'd find mis- again, it's 24 hours a day, so-

Joe Rogan 21:38 Right.

Jeremy Renner 21:38 ... what do I have to do today? Well, I don't even have to ask, uh, (laughs) just gotta get better. And, you know, it just kept going, and w- whatever thing, and there's so many things to attack to get better, it's like I never got bored. I always had all these bands and stuff. I was in a m- I remember being in a wheelchair and I'd wrap it around, like, this desk, and I'd be, and I'd just be doing, is it, like, a leg press? You know, all these, like, interesting ways to, like, to try to strengthen my, my, my body and get better. Whatever wasn't, uh, you know, I'd... Anything that would work, I would do it.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 22:06 I'd say no to nothing, say yes to everything, and, "Let's try it, let's do it." Took i- took in everything, took in everything.

Joe Rogan 22:14 You know, they, they say that is one of the more difficult things with stroke victims, is the will to do the exercises to force yourself to recover.

Jeremy Renner 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 'Cause so many people just, they, they've never done that before, they've never pushed themselves before, they don't, and they, there's this tendency to just kinda give up, some people have.

Jeremy Renner 22:36 Yeah. Yeah. That's, it's part of the reason why I wrote the book, 'cause maybe people c- 'cause it's a lonely place when, where people are struggling in, in recovery. And when it's a lifetime recovery too, you know? Um, I hope they can find something they can grab onto, like, "If this guy can get over this, I can get out of my own way here, and maybe not, maybe think of it a little differently." The only thing we have control of ever in life in perpetuity is our perspective. So, you know, what's my- I could easily just go be victimized and, you know-

Joe Rogan 23:07 Right.

Jeremy Renner 23:07 ... cry about it and, like, "Oh, my career is over," and that. I mean, it's not, it's not even part of the narrative, it's part of the, it's not even in the conversation. It's like, "I'm getting better every day for the rest of my life." That's it.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 23:19 There's only one way to go.

Joe Rogan 23:21 (exhales)

Jeremy Renner 23:21 What's the alternative, Joe? Right?

Joe Rogan 23:23 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 23:23 What is the alternative? I kept, I keep saying that to my- what's the alternative? I'm not gonna stumble around through life.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Right.

Jeremy Renner 23:28 I wasn't brought back here to s- just to suffer. That's not happening. I'd say, "Unplug the machine. I'm done. I'm outta here." It's way better than being dead.

Joe Rogan 23:36 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 23:36 You know what I mean? I'm not gonna come back and, and, and just waddle w- my, and limp my way through life. It's not gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 23:42 What's crazy is you, if you didn't approach it like that, you probably wouldn't be able to walk.

Jeremy Renner 23:47 Correct. Correct.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Yeah, because there have been a lot of people that have been gravely injured that never come back.

Jeremy Renner 23:52 Yeah. Yeah. You have to push it, right? Anything that's in your life for excellence, you have to obsess at it and risk everything for it. You have to or it's not gonna happen. No one's gonna do it for you. But what else are you gonna do?

Joe Rogan 24:08 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 24:09 You know what I mean? Again, like I said, what's the alternative? Yeah, this sucks, but, like, so does the cold plunge, and so does this, and so does that, and so does that.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Right.

Jeremy Renner 24:15 You gotta really test, we gotta test our bodies, our limits to really have real growth. And especially in recovery-

Joe Rogan 24:22 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 24:22 ... you have to. What else are you gonna do, man? You're gonna take pills?

Joe Rogan 24:25 Right.

Jeremy Renner 24:26 That was one of, again, one of the harder things worse than the accident as well is getting off OxyContin.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Oh, yeah?

Jeremy Renner 24:31 And I got off pretty quickly and that's gnarly stuff, man. I'm glad it, it was there for, you know, the pain for me, but like I wanted to get off it as soon as possible so... Because it's highly, highly addictive. And coming off that stuff was gnarly.

Joe Rogan 24:46 It's so hard. And you have a really strong will and some people don't.

Jeremy Renner 24:50 I know.

Joe Rogan 24:50 And they put all-

Jeremy Renner 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:51 ... people on that stuff.

Jeremy Renner 24:52 It's crazy, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 24:54 It is really... Ironically, I was supposed to be doing a, a, uh, a movie about (laughs) the, the Sacra family.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 25:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It da- but it was supposed to happen like literally that, that April or just that, that spring. Um, obviously that got canceled 'cause I had to (laughs) take OxyContin to kinda get by. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:16 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 25:16 But then I had to get off that stuff real quick, you know. It was really interesting too how people treated that drug, you know. Everyone like was monitoring, counting the pills, if it was a half a thing or this or that. Like we, like everyone was on it. Like, "Dude, what? You treat me like I'm some sort of drug addict. Don't give me this stuff. I don't want it." Jesus Christ, it's terrible.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 25:34 Um, but it's a pretty powerful, powerful stuff. And I don't, I don't ever blame sort of the drug, I just think sort of how maybe it's, it's free to use and it's, it's even supported in school systems and, you know, they got-

Joe Rogan 25:46 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 25:46 ... that, that family kinda got away with a lot of stuff to promote that stuff.

Joe Rogan 25:49 To put it mildly.

Jeremy Renner 25:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a whole another...

Joe Rogan 25:52 You've seen Peter Berg's, uh, thing on Netflix, Painkiller? Have you seen that?

Jeremy Renner 25:57 Uh...

Joe Rogan 25:57 It's a docudrama, documentary of the Sacra family.

Jeremy Renner 26:00 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Matthew Broderick.

Jeremy Renner 26:02 Yep, yep. It's gnarly, man.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Gnarly.

Jeremy Renner 26:05 Gnarly.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Yeah. Tha- that's an evil family.

Jeremy Renner 26:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 What, what they did to people and, and just support the idea that, you know, "Hey, this... You could just be on this and you don't have any pain. Don't worry about it."

Jeremy Renner 26:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:15 "And it's not even addictive."

Jeremy Renner 26:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Just-

Jeremy Renner 26:18 Yeah. It's the knowing, it's the knowing part, and then-

Joe Rogan 26:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 26:21 ... just then double downing it and selling, you know.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 26:23 Getting it, really getting it out there. It's just-

Joe Rogan 26:24 And promoting it-

Jeremy Renner 26:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:26 ... as a thing that you could be on forever.

Jeremy Renner 26:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:28 Which is just insane.

Jeremy Renner 26:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:31 So you're on it and, uh, how long did you have to be on it for?

Jeremy Renner 26:35 I... A- again, always working to, to get off of it. And I think maybe it was around... Because I got home on January 13th, Friday the 13th (laughs) and I think it was probably less than a month, probably like beginning of February because I had... All my molars and stuff got pushed in. So my mouth's a hot mess, my jaw's broken and, but I'd have night terrors, as you would, um, being awake through that trauma. So... And I bit down and the tooth was in, just in a certain spot and just cracked my molar. And, and it goes down to the nerve and that. I'm, "Oh, I feel that pain, but I'm on all this OxyContin. I don't feel... Hmm, maybe I don't need to be on that shit." So I had to go get that emergency extraction and get a post put in and, on my back molar. And I said, "Well, I'm, I'm gonna, I'll take it one more time just for the tooth pain," or whatever even what the dentist gave me. I think I took the dentist stuff, whatever that was, and cold turkey off OxyContin and gabapentin.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Whoa. Cold turkey.

Jeremy Renner 27:41 Yeah. I didn't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:43 (laughs) You didn't know how hard it would be?

Jeremy Renner 27:46 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:46 Oh, no. Did they tell you to taper?

Jeremy Renner 27:47 I was just so adamant. A- no... (laughs) I don't really listen to the doctors.

Joe Rogan 27:53 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 27:53 I don't listen to the doctors, man. Uh, you know, so yeah. So I started crying, um, for about three and a half days straight.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 28:01 Uh, even during my PT I'm just like... And not that I'm sad, but like full crocodile tears, just tears, tears.

Joe Rogan 28:07 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 28:07 24 hours a day, right? Just going.

Joe Rogan 28:10 Whoa.

Jeremy Renner 28:10 I couldn't stop crying. And I was shivering. Um-

Joe Rogan 28:14 So this is all just withdrawal?

Jeremy Renner 28:15 ... I just... Withdrawal, yeah. I wasn't thinking that, anything other than like, "Why am I crying?" I w- I didn't know it was withdrawal. Even... 'Cause my mind's not there. I'm in... My mind's in recovery and getting off this stuff and focusing on holding my body up. It, it takes just a lot of mental acuity to, to just exist, right? So I wasn't thinking that... Yeah, of course, I look back on it as like, "Yeah, of course I'm coming off of fucking heroin," essentially. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:41 Jesus.

Jeremy Renner 28:42 Right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:42 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 28:43 So yeah. And then ag- and so I, I, I call my sister and thing, I'm like, "I don't know why I'm crying. I can't stop crying." And Tanya says, "Well, let's, let's call th-" They had these different doctors that we'd Zoom call with when I was at home. And so we called the, the, the pain management doctor and she's like, "Look," and she... I told him, he's like, "What are you doing?You gotta taper off that for like... Takes like two weeks at least. You can't just cold turkey gabapentin." "Uh, it's no wonder you're feeling all cold and all this stuff 'cause that's all nerve stuff." So I started feeling gravity, I started feeling temperature, I started feeling everything. It's like, whoo, on fire.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 29:15 Right? So, um-

Joe Rogan 29:17 Why did you make-

Jeremy Renner 29:17 And-

Joe Rogan 29:17 ... the decision to go cold turkey?

Jeremy Renner 29:19 Because I didn't want... I didn't... I don't like the feeling of being on pain meds. I don't like... You know, I want to have my mind. You know, I was-

Joe Rogan 29:25 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 29:25 ... always using that humor to find my sobriety. If I could land a joke, it means I'm reading the room and that I'm hitting the timing right, da- whatever it is. You know, right? So I, I wanted my... I needed my mind and I needed my wit, I needed my will to, to recover. I needed sleep and I needed my brain. And the drugs kind of numb my brain as they would, right?

Joe Rogan 29:47 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 29:47 As they numb your whole body. So I just wanted off of them and I don't like how I feel. You feel muddy.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 29:53 And I just didn't like the feeling. S- you know, it came with a price, but I got the okay to like take a little fiver of Oxy to, to sleep on if you need it to mitigate some pain, just so I could sleep. Like, "Okay, maybe I'll do that if it happens." And I did once or twice or three times maybe after that moment. But I got through it, and I got off it. But I got off it because I cracked that tooth and that, I felt pain. Like that is like... That's not gonna let me sleep at all. It's a heartbeat in my brain. My face is just like throbbing, right, as you would for anybody.So I said, like, "Oh, that's... Then I don't need to take the pain meds." So make those my excuse to get off the pain meds.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Right.

Jeremy Renner 30:32 Thankfully.

Joe Rogan 30:32 'Cause if you're feeling pain and you're on the pain meds, then ****** really good.

Jeremy Renner 30:34 Yeah, I would have been on that shit much longer if I didn't crack that tooth.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 30:38 'Cause I wouldn't have the will or say, like, "Oh, let's get off this stuff."

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 30:42 Right? But it took that. I'm like, "Okay, well, I don't need it."

Joe Rogan 30:45 I had knee surgery in '93 and they gave me something. I don't... It was either Percocet or Vicodin.

Jeremy Renner 30:52 Yeah, it was.

Joe Rogan 30:52 I don't remember what it was, and I took it one time.

Jeremy Renner 30:54 You puke or anything?

Joe Rogan 30:54 And I felt so bad.

Jeremy Renner 30:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:56 I felt so stupid.

Jeremy Renner 30:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:58 I remember being in my apartment in New York just feeling so dumb and just thinking, "I'd rather be in pain."

Jeremy Renner 31:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:04 And so one day, I took it one day and I'm like, "That's it, I'm done."

Jeremy Renner 31:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 And then I sold it. I sold my-

Jeremy Renner 31:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:10 ... uh, pills to this guy Jeff at the pool hall.

Jeremy Renner 31:13 That's a dirtbag. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:14 He was this dirtbag guy-

Jeremy Renner 31:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:15 ... that I used to hang out with at the pool hall. He had a bandana and long hair. He was a hippie. He always sold drugs. And I sold them to him. (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 31:25 (laughs) He's like, "I'll take it. What do you got?" Yeah, yeah. "What do you got?"

Joe Rogan 31:27 And, uh, then I had surgery again. I've had a bunch of different surgeries for jujitsu injuries, martial arts injuries.

Jeremy Renner 31:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:35 But the second time I had surgery on my knee, I had a knee reconstruction again on my other knee in 2003. And I didn't take anything. I just, I just like, "I don't want nothing."

Jeremy Renner 31:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:46 "I'm just gonna... Just deal with it." And it was okay.

Jeremy Renner 31:49 Yeah. Maybe antiinflammatory or something, and it's... It's really where the... It's where the-

Joe Rogan 31:53 Yeah, I didn't even take that stuff 'cause I don't think that's good for you either.

Jeremy Renner 31:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Yeah. You know, I mean, it's... You're gonna be in pain no matter what. It's just gonna dull it a little bit. I'd rather feel it all and just get acc-

Jeremy Renner 32:05 I agree. I agree.

Joe Rogan 32:05 ... accustomed to it-

Jeremy Renner 32:06 100%.

Joe Rogan 32:07 ... and deal with it.

Jeremy Renner 32:08 Yeah. That was, like, back when I... even when I had my, uh, wisdom teeth pulled out when I was like 20 or something, you know, that's pretty gnarly surgery, right? And they give you like, uh, it was like codeine or something.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 32:18 You know, I just puked on that and said, "No way." Took one pill and I never took... Didn't sell it to anybody. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:24 Isn't it astonishing that some people like it?

Jeremy Renner 32:26 Yeah, they just... People party on it.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Jeremy Renner 32:28 And they'll go drinking, like, two Vicodin. It's... I just... It's just the opposite for me. I just can't. It's just... My body doesn't agree with it.

Joe Rogan 32:35 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 32:35 Uh, I just, uh... And I'm glad I don't, I don't like it, you know?

Joe Rogan 32:39 I had a friend of mine who's a musician and he would write all his music on, on Vicodins. I was like, "What? How do you do that, man?" Like, I took it... Whatever it was that I took, I can't remember which one it was, but I felt like a moron.

Jeremy Renner 32:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:53 I just felt like I had like 20% of my brain.

Jeremy Renner 32:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:57 And it was just this dull-

Jeremy Renner 32:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 ... like wet cotton stuffed in my head.

Jeremy Renner 33:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:02 But, I mean, I guess maybe it's just like different biology.

Jeremy Renner 33:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Maybe different people react to it differently.

Jeremy Renner 33:07 For sure. For sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:08 It wasn't for me.

Jeremy Renner 33:10 Yeah, I agree.

Joe Rogan 33:11 So how long did it take for the withdrawal to subside?

Jeremy Renner 33:15 By the time I got to the, uh, the, the zoom with the, the, the pain management doctor, uh, he s-... He said like, "Well, don't do that. You should taper off." Like, "Well, I'm already o- off it now." I'm like... I'm... I've come off the (laughs) the, the crying train. Um, especially 'cause he also made sense of it for me. He's like... So it's kind of... It's like, it's like day four by the time I talked to him and, um, it just helped me make sense of like why I was feeling the way I was feeling 'cause it, it felt like a setback.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Right.

Jeremy Renner 33:46 You know? And... 'Cause there were setbacks in recovery, but this felt like a real setback, like I, like I, I couldn't grab of why... And I'm pretty in tune with like my body and my emotions and my everything, and I just couldn't grab why I was... It's so obvious. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:04 (laughs) Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 34:05 But then, you know, I don't... I'm not the one really administering this stuff. My mom just give me the pill and doing peptide injections for me and, you know, rebirthing me, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:13 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 34:13 Taking care of me. So-

Joe Rogan 34:14 What peptides were you on?

Jeremy Renner 34:16 Oh, man. Uh, if I look back, I don't know, I was getting three, three, um, mLs, so it's three loads and they were all mixed up, uh, as you would. Um, uh, probably the sa-... A lot of the same ones that I'm on now that I continue and I rotate in and out of different ones for-

Joe Rogan 34:30 BBC 157.

Jeremy Renner 34:31 BBC 157.

Joe Rogan 34:32 TV500.

Jeremy Renner 34:33 T- tiamycin. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Tiamycin, yeah.

Jeremy Renner 34:34 All those. Yeah, yeah. AOD and AMOD-c. And, uh, I had to do a lot of blood work 'cause g-... My hemoglobin was at two.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Whoa.

Jeremy Renner 34:43 Yeah. That was what it was going back to work.

Joe Rogan 34:46 Whoa.

Jeremy Renner 34:46 Back to Mayor Kingstown. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 34:49 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 34:49 Yeah. Uh, it's like a blood of a dead man, essentially. I just got no energy. So then I started really working with, um, uh, my blood panels. Big, giant, wide, 16 vial blood panels. And that started to be my new course of recovery of, of a cellular way, in a blood way. And that's where I really started to get strong. I was moving around, I was mobile, all the bones are healed by this time. It's like a year has gone by. But now I started working on cellular and blood health and that's when I... that's when I got to, like, my skin started to look great and, you know, 'cause your blood is... It tells you what your body is producing and not producing, right?

Joe Rogan 35:27 Right.

Jeremy Renner 35:27 So that was a great report card or barometer of where I was at, why I'm not, you know, where my mitochondrial levels were at or anything was at. So, um, it was really, really great part of my recovery. And that's what I'll continue to do and still continue to do today.

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Joe Rogan 37:13 Did you use a hyperbaric chamber?

Jeremy Renner 37:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... that, that help, must've helped-

Jeremy Renner 37:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 ... a lot.

Jeremy Renner 37:17 Yeah. What it did for me, uh, uh, it's not something... I don't think there's many things in my recovery that you do that feel good. It just doesn't make you feel as shitty.

Joe Rogan 37:25 Right. (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 37:26 (laughs) Right?

Joe Rogan 37:27 It's like you're building a mountain one layer of pain at a time.

Jeremy Renner 37:31 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. So, but hyperbaric is great. It, it helps with lactic acid when you're working out. As you know, it's all the oxygen you, you put in your body. It's, it's a great necessity. It's, uh... Again, another one of those things that are even age-reversing. It's, uh, it's gonna... Also, uh, disease preventative.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Right.

Jeremy Renner 37:45 It's amazing, this thing. And it's... And I got one that was, um... You can sit in and do multiple things. I can not just... I can't just sit there for an hour and a half in, in the chamber and, like (laughs) I'll go crazy. Uh, I have a busy brain, you know, and, uh, so I get a computer, whatever, email. Whatever I can do as a... To kinda continue to do it, to make it a part of my life.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Oh, that's cool.

Jeremy Renner 38:05 Yeah. And then I go into, like, a red light bed, a high-powered red light-

Joe Rogan 38:08 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 38:08 ... infrared bed. Then it moves all that oxygen through my body even more so.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Mm.

Jeremy Renner 38:12 And gets deeper into the tissue. Amazing.

Joe Rogan 38:14 Yeah, I use both of those things.

Jeremy Renner 38:16 Yeah, those are-

Joe Rogan 38:16 Just for life.

Jeremy Renner 38:17 ... huge parts of my life. Yeah, 100%.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah, but I would imagine for something like what you went through, it's imperative.

Jeremy Renner 38:22 Yeah, yeah, for tissue-

Joe Rogan 38:23 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 38:23 ... recovery, and oh man, huge, huge, huge. Faster for repair.

Joe Rogan 38:27 And so, uh, from... So a year later, you're walking around.

Jeremy Renner 38:32 Yeah, for... Yeah, by... I was walking by... My daughter's birthday was March 28th, so I guess a few months later, I was walking, but it was assisted, very assisted week walking with cane or a walker. Um-

Joe Rogan 38:45 So that had to be amazing.

Jeremy Renner 38:47 Yeah, yeah. And then I was... By, by the summertime, I stopped doing recovery, the intense 24-hour-a-day recovery. I would do, like, a 12-hour-a-day recovery and then go walk in the sand in Lake Tahoe. Lake Tahoe is the world big- world's biggest cold plunge. It's a freezing-ass lake, so I just go dip my legs in that lake, walk in the sand. It's great for instability in your ankles, your joints, your hips, and I would just do that kind of stuff. Even ride a jet ski. I was riding a jet ski in June.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 39:15 Yeah, taking it easy and not doing anything nuts, but just like, you know, just ki- just living life.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Right.

Jeremy Renner 39:19 You know how good that is for your mental acuity?

Joe Rogan 39:21 Oh, yeah.

Jeremy Renner 39:21 Your, (laughs) your spirit, your emotional body, and all that stuff? So I was out in the sunshine getting vitamin D. I was in, you know, nature. I was with friends. I could do life stuff, like I'm-

Joe Rogan 39:31 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 39:31 I'm back in life stuff, you know? Now, that's a great confidence builder.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 39:36 So I kept trying to do those things. And then, of course, I have to go back into all the recovery stuff and, you know, that I always do, but just happy I can do it. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 39:46 What does the cold water feel like with, like... I mean, you have a rod through your, your tibia.

Jeremy Renner 39:52 Yeah, the cold water isn't... It's... That's not the issue. It's when it's cold weather.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 39:57 Like, like anybody, it's, it's you're... It... You're stiffer, your, your blood slows, and all that stuff. So it doesn't help with... I need circulation in my joints. Tendons don't get a lot of blood flow. I really gotta work at getting blood flow in these joints. Otherwise, they'll stiffen, and it... I'm just slower going. My... Everything just feels a little bit more robotic.

Joe Rogan 40:17 What did they have to do-

Jeremy Renner 40:17 But I think that's, uh, it... Before injury, it's that for anybody, right? And also, elevation. I mean-

Joe Rogan 40:22 Right.

Jeremy Renner 40:22 ... 8,000 feet elevation in Tahoe, so all those things aren't really kind of helping to my (laughs) recovery, but my body will respond in those oxygen-depleted environments and all that stuff. So maybe it did help, maybe it didn't, I don't know, but I did most of my initial recovery in LA, and then when I could, I got out to Tahoe to be in my sort of happy place in, in nature.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Did they have to reconstruct your knees? Did you...

Jeremy Renner 40:45 No, no, n- none of that. They, they, they suppo-... Uh, there was cracks in my ankles, and, uh, my foot spun around a handful of times. There was a spiral fracture in my, my leg. So they had to hit a rod down into my knee, and they had to screw it, screw it, you know, put plates and all that stuff. So I had to ensure I just moved those things. So I don't know, there's not... Wasn't full, like, reconstruction, like, people get a new knee or a new hip. It was just a lot of breaks. My pelvic bone broke in three spots, my hips, like all... You know, but, uh, you don't fix that. Uh, you... They even said, um, "You broke your asshole." I'm like, "That...

Joe Rogan 41:18 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 41:18 "Is that what you say as a doctor? Is that how you say it? Come on." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:25 (laughs) That's hilarious.

Jeremy Renner 41:26 I think, I think there's another word for everything (laughs) . I think he was trying-

Joe Rogan 41:32 Oh my god.

Jeremy Renner 41:32 ... to make me laugh, and I did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:35 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 41:35 And hearing him make you laugh (laughs) he's like, "You broke everything, Jeremy. You even broke your ass." I'm like, "All right, that's great." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:42 Wow. Wow. And so wha-... So you've, you've gone through the 12-hour... Now you're in, like, this 12-hour-a-day recovery.

Jeremy Renner 41:50 Yeah, it's been that summ- that summertime, yeah. So I gotta do, like, just life stuff. And that wa- that wa- that was really my first shot at allowing myself to think that there's a future and I'm not gonna live a life of full-time recovery for the rest of my life. It's like, "Oh, I can actually go do some other things that I enjoy doing with people in a, kind of a normal way." So I was... Without a cane, without anything, by the time... By June and summer came around. So I'm-

Joe Rogan 42:19 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 42:19 ... I'm moving around.

Joe Rogan 42:21 That's pretty amazing.

Jeremy Renner 42:21 I'm moving around with, with, you know, um, inflammation and getting downstairs very slowly, but uh, as you would. Like, as long as you're patient, as I was, as aggressive I was with my recovery, I allowed patience to also live within a- that aggressive attack on each joint or each inflammation or whatever it was. I do allow patience, and, uh... Because I allow myself to push hard, hard, hard, hard, I listen to my body. Body says, "Fuck off," I'm like, "All right, I'll chill out for a second (laughs) "

Joe Rogan 42:48 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 42:48 ... and then, you know, keep going. So... But I was... I gotta live life, and th- and that was so, so rewarding to my spirit and my, my, my confidence, which, you know, you need in that, in that kind of, those kinda dire times, and, and I keep going. And then, like I said, when we got to back- getting back to work, because I got so ready... Maybe I'm down to, like, four hours a day of recovery by the end of that first year, I'm like, "I'm gonna go back to work. I need to get back out into the world and use...Life is, is my recovery, and still only spend four hours a day on s- hyperbaric chamber, red light, whatever the heck I could do to ... I mix it all up. It's a bunch of different stuff. A lot of heat, a lot of vibration, power plate stuff. That was really great for numbing the, the nerve endings. My back and my knees, back and my, um, ankles, that kind of stuff. I don't know if you ever used that stuff, or-

Joe Rogan 43:39 No, like what are you, what are you doing? I used to have this thing. God, what was it called? It was a thing you stand on. It's like it would shake you-

Jeremy Renner 43:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:46 ... at different vibrations.

Jeremy Renner 43:47 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:48 Like, (imitates machine vibrating)

Jeremy Renner 43:49 Yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 43:50 And it would slow it down.

Jeremy Renner 43:51 Yup.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Then make it fast, and-

Jeremy Renner 43:52 Yup, just like that.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 43:53 Yeah, and that really was great for numbing, like, uh, the back of my knees that really still ache, and back of my ankles, j- just so it's not quite so sensitive.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Mm.

Jeremy Renner 44:02 I don't know if it floods the, the nerve endings with blood or whatever the heck it does, but it just kinda numbs it out, and then I can go to sleep on it. It's great. It's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 44:09 I used to have one of those at my house in L.A I don't even remember what it's called now. It was just some machine. It had a bunch of different programs.

Jeremy Renner 44:16 Yeah, yeah, it was power plate. It was probably a Power Plate.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Well, Power Plate I think is the one that you work out on.

Jeremy Renner 44:20 You can. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Uh, this one was a little different. This one was just, it would just shake you at a bunch-

Jeremy Renner 44:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:26 ... of different frequencies.

Jeremy Renner 44:27 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 44:28 You would stand on it and it was supposed to just do a bunch of stuff for your, your hormones and endocrine system and all sorts-

Jeremy Renner 44:38 Hm.

Joe Rogan 44:38 ... of different stuff, just by the vibration.

Jeremy Renner 44:40 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it helps me a lot.

Joe Rogan 44:43 Interesting.

Jeremy Renner 44:43 For sure.

Joe Rogan 44:44 And, um, are you doing sauna and stuff like that as well?

Jeremy Renner 44:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I use, I usually use just the red light bed. Uh, I got, I sweat like a b- it's, uh, shaped like a, like a coffin or like a-

Joe Rogan 44:56 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 44:56 ... like a changing bed one.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Yeah, mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 44:57 Yeah, no, it's, it's just as effective I think as a, you're going to the sauna. It just doesn't take so long to heat up or anything. You just get in that thing and cook.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 45:05 It's amazing. And you, it's amazing that even like an LED light like that, or infrared light could, could warm you up so much, but it's intense. I love it.

Joe Rogan 45:13 And then after a while do you start lifting weights?

Jeremy Renner 45:16 Yeah, yeah. I started, I started training, um, as soon as I got the, when I started doing blood work, 'cause my hormone, my, my testosterone was at 200.

Joe Rogan 45:25 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 45:25 My hemoglobin was at two. Like, everything was just-

Joe Rogan 45:28 Your body's just wrecked.

Jeremy Renner 45:29 Oh, it was wrecked. And now I'm going back to work.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Phew.

Jeremy Renner 45:32 So, I had to attack while I was falling asleep during workouts that I'm trying to do, or whatever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:38 Hmm.

Jeremy Renner 45:38 I'm try- they, they only schedule me to maybe six hours a day on set, 'cause I, you know, I fall asleep in the middle of a scene.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Oh my God.

Jeremy Renner 45:44 They're like, "Who's gonna wake that fucker up?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:49 (laughs) Wow.

Jeremy Renner 45:50 Oh, man. So, yeah, so I had to really work on that. And once I got, once, it's really, I think it was really the testosterone. Once I got that level to like 700, 800 constantly, then I had more energy.

Joe Rogan 46:00 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 46:01 And that allowed me more energy in the gym. And once I had that, that got me more energy. That, that, so it just started feeding upon itself. I was doing blood, blood panels every week and, uh, just saw progress, progress, progress. And then I just started lifting, and I had so much energy, and I felt better the more I lifted and moved and stretched. And I just kept, it just kept compiling, just like most things in life. And it got easier, like most things. Um, with oxygen chamber, that's better when you can pile on it. Same with red light stuff. Noth- nothing, no one time that anything's gonna do anything, but if you do it often enough and make it a central part of your life. It's like, "Oh, I was on fire. It's great." And I started running and-

Joe Rogan 46:37 So you can run now?

Jeremy Renner 46:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 46:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:40 For distance?

Jeremy Renner 46:41 Yeah, I mean, I don't know how, where I'm running to. I, I was never a distance guy.

Joe Rogan 46:44 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 46:44 I was always a sprinter, right? I was a sprinter from high school and college, and, um, um, yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 46:51 Does it hurt when you run?

Jeremy Renner 46:53 It, it feels like if you're ... (laughs) If you have a, you know, if, if you've ever been in a car and you're on the freeway and it has a misalignment or-

Joe Rogan 47:02 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 47:02 ... it's a little shaky.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 47:03 Yeah, or you got a flat tire. It feels like I got four flat tires when I'm running.

Joe Rogan 47:07 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 47:07 It looks great. It looks like, "Oh this guy's, no problem with this guy. Just boop, boop, boop, boop, boop." And it feels like the wheels are gonna fall off.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 47:15 Mentally or something. It just, it just feels like it's ... 'Cause there's like, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's a lot of pressure to put on all these joints, right? Um, uh, I haven't sprinted really much in a while. I haven't really worked on that. I've been working on other things, you know, blood and cells and that kind of stuff, so ... I mean, sprinting is not, you know, what am I doing? What am I gonna do, sprint?

Joe Rogan 47:38 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 47:39 I'm 54, for God's sakes.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Right, right.

Jeremy Renner 47:40 You know? Maybe if like for, you know, like, uh, 'cause, 'cause you do stunts in movies and maybe at some point I'll have to sprint. I don't know. Or maybe not. Maybe I just don't do that shit, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:52 Yeah, well maybe you can though.

Jeremy Renner 47:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:54 I mean-

Jeremy Renner 47:54 Sure I can.

Joe Rogan 47:55 I think you can.

Jeremy Renner 47:56 I already have. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:57 I, (laughs) believe it.

Jeremy Renner 47:57 I just don't know if I wanna make that a central part of, you know, the acting experience. Maybe I, I, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:02 Well, that would be an absolutely phenomenal turnaround.

Jeremy Renner 48:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:06 To go from where you were to going back to action films.

Jeremy Renner 48:09 Yeah, yeah. To go play Hawkeye or something.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 48:11 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 That's what I'm saying.

Jeremy Renner 48:11 Yeah, it'd be a, it'd be a good test.

Joe Rogan 48:12 Or Bourne Identity.

Jeremy Renner 48:13 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 48:14 You know?

Jeremy Renner 48:14 ... that's tough. That would be-

Joe Rogan 48:15 Right.

Jeremy Renner 48:15 ... a tough one. That would, that's, that was in excellent shape for that one. That would be a challenge.

Joe Rogan 48:21 Yeah, I would imagine.

Jeremy Renner 48:23 I don't know. Do I wanna tax my body? Eh, I don't know. Probably should.

Joe Rogan 48:27 I mean-

Jeremy Renner 48:27 I probably should.

Joe Rogan 48:27 ... is it taxing your body or is it strengthening your body?

Jeremy Renner 48:29 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 48:29 Is, is the question.

Jeremy Renner 48:30 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean-

Joe Rogan 48:32 How many b- how many miles can you get on this stuff, right?

Jeremy Renner 48:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:35 Out of all that titanium?

Jeremy Renner 48:36 I think it's forever. I think it's permanent. I mean, what you-

Joe Rogan 48:40 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 48:40 What, everything you have just reinforces the recovery of the bones, right?

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Renner 48:45 And then, and then you-

Joe Rogan 48:46 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 48:46 ... just have a plate there that just keeps the bones in order.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yup, and it's essentially-

Jeremy Renner 48:51 I mean, all, all the, all the titanium in my body is useless at this point. It did its job-

Joe Rogan 48:55 Right, right.

Jeremy Renner 48:55 And then the bone's grown.

Joe Rogan 48:57 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 48:58 But, so it just stays there now.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Is there an argument that the titanium hinders you at all?

Jeremy Renner 49:04 Uh, well, I mean, it is foreign, in-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Right.

Jeremy Renner 49:07 ... foreign metal in your body. Um, you're not, uh, uh, it's not rejecting it, but there is a point where it could. You know, just like allergies, you know, there's sometimes, you don't get allergies sometimes for 40 years in your life and all of a sudden, "Oh, I'm now allergic to down." Uh, it could reject it. Who knows?

Joe Rogan 49:21 Hm.

Jeremy Renner 49:22 You never know. Um-I, I'll, I'll cross that bridge... I'm worrying about today. I'm here with you.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Right.

Jeremy Renner 49:27 I'll worry about that shit later. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:29 It's just so impressive.

Jeremy Renner 49:30 Yeah, it really is.

Joe Rogan 49:31 It really is amazing.

Jeremy Renner 49:32 Yeah. Yeah. It's y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:34 'Cause at any other time in history, you're dead.

Jeremy Renner 49:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Any other time in history.

Jeremy Renner 49:38 Oh, yeah, goner.

Joe Rogan 49:38 20 years ago, you're dead.

Jeremy Renner 49:39 Goner.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 49:40 You're a goner.

Joe Rogan 49:41 20 years ago.

Jeremy Renner 49:42 It's insane, right?

Joe Rogan 49:43 Yeah. It's amazing.

Jeremy Renner 49:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:43 It's amazing.

Jeremy Renner 49:44 What a, what a great blessing to have all those people that, even like the, the, the EMTs and all the people that were there. The, the lifesaving stuff, they did all the s- stuff that they had to do, man. There's so much... You know, and I, I'm really known in that community, especially in the EMTs and all that sort of stuff. I have a lot of firefighter friends and all that stuff, so it's just like a... they're, th- you know, you're just getting a little extra juice and love from these people. You know, like I knew, um... One of my best friends is a firefighter in that area, Jesse, and he just retired. He got the phone call from his buddy who had to stab my chest and release the pressure from the lung and da, da, da, like, on the ice. And like, and he's the one that says, "Look, dude. Jesse, Jeremy's, he's in... We did the best we could, dude. You might wanna get to the hospital."

Joe Rogan 50:28 Wow.

Jeremy Renner 50:29 And that's like code for, like, gone.

Joe Rogan 50:30 He might be gone.

Jeremy Renner 50:31 He, he's gone, you know?

Joe Rogan 50:32 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 50:32 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, you, but they were like, you know... I talked to them all later. I saw every nurse, I saw every doctor, I went by ev- every ENT, even the pilot that flew me f- up there and just had to give everyone the biggest squeeze and apologize if I was a pain in the ass or whatever it was, man. Um, it's that, uh... It reminds me of just why I'm back anyway, and, and what the only thing that you take with you and it's love, man. That's it.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah. The beginning of the audiobook is your daughter.

Jeremy Renner 51:02 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 And that was the one I had the hardest time with.

Jeremy Renner 51:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:07 'Cause it's... Can you imagine?

Jeremy Renner 51:10 Yeah, I can't-

Joe Rogan 51:11 Can you imagine?

Jeremy Renner 51:11 I can't imagine, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:13 Dude. Does this... I mean, it must forever change your perspective on life because you've crossed back.

Jeremy Renner 51:23 Yeah. Yeah. Well, it just made it easier. It's, it's, it's ripped away all the white noise, things I gave credence to or things I gave value to. It's fucking meaningless.

Joe Rogan 51:33 Bullshit.

Jeremy Renner 51:34 Bullshit.

Joe Rogan 51:35 All the bullshit.

Jeremy Renner 51:35 The bullshit is gone.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Means nothing. Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 51:37 And I just don't... Sadly, I'm in a, a spinning rock with, you know, people and capitalism and stuff it with, things just-

Joe Rogan 51:46 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 51:46 I just don't, I just feel like I belong, but I do.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 51:50 I just, it's... A lot of times I just don't feel like I fit into, um, a certain... how things, how things work or seem to work down here. Or yeah, I just, I just, I just don't do things that I, I don't give, give value to. I only do things that are valuable in my life. That's it. That is it. I do nothing else.

Joe Rogan 52:10 It is amazing how much time and energy people put into things that ultimately at the end of the life, they're not valuable.

Jeremy Renner 52:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:17 They don't mean anything.

Jeremy Renner 52:18 Yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 52:18 And they occupy most of your thinking.

Jeremy Renner 52:20 Y- that's right. Or even your time-

Joe Rogan 52:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 52:21 Or your, like your career.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Uh-huh.

Jeremy Renner 52:23 Right?

Joe Rogan 52:24 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 52:24 People do careers that they fucking hate.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 52:27 Or they're in a marriage, they fucking despise. Da, da, da. You know, all this stuff-

Joe Rogan 52:30 Yeah. Yup.

Jeremy Renner 52:30 ... they're spending too much time doing what?

Joe Rogan 52:32 Right.

Jeremy Renner 52:32 Why? Why? Why? Because of fear.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Because they get trapped.

Jeremy Renner 52:35 Because of fear, because of fear you get trapped-

Joe Rogan 52:36 Yeah, you get stuck.

Jeremy Renner 52:37 ... and it's too difficult to get out. And, you know, they get too deep and buried in, into, to some place. They get, I don't know, paint themselves in a corner, you know. It's, it's quite sad.

Joe Rogan 52:45 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 52:46 You know?

Joe Rogan 52:48 It is sad, but it's also... I mean, there's an amazing example that you, you can shine to the rest of the world that maybe people don't have to go through what you went through to realize that most of what you're thinking about all day, especially if you're one of those people that's wrapped up in social media-

Jeremy Renner 53:10 Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:10 ... most of the things you're thinking about all day are just nonsense.

Jeremy Renner 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Just total nonsense that's stealing your life.

Jeremy Renner 53:17 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's one, one of the reasons why I wrote the book is I hope there's things that, um, that I learned and the gifts that I received from, from passing and coming back and overcoming, you know, hu- huge obstacles. And a lot of, a lot of people can identify with suffering and struggle. Um, it doesn't have to be a physical struggle, but, you know, there's, it's a certain way to think and perspective that... to work your way through it.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 53:39 Uh, because it is a lonely, lonely place. And I, I think there's something beautiful about the narrative of an author to a reader or even just audio, which is even more intense because you get the 911 call and-

Joe Rogan 53:49 Right.

Jeremy Renner 53:49 ... it's kind of dramatic in that sense, but like it's, it's pretty intimate. And you can... I think you can really move the needle for somebody.

Joe Rogan 53:57 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 53:58 The more open and honest and vulnerable I am in sharing the narrative, the maybe more I have a chance at connecting with the reader or listener.

Joe Rogan 54:06 No doubt.

Jeremy Renner 54:07 You know?

Joe Rogan 54:08 There's... The thing is about when, when you're in the middle of a struggle, it never seems like you're gonna get out of it.

Jeremy Renner 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:13 I mean, you're trapped.

Narrator 54:14 Oh, that's... Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 You feel it. And it's so difficult for people to trust the process or to trust that it will get better. And this is unfortunately why a lot of people end their lives, because they do not think it's going to get better. And the... You, you hear it from so many people that almost took their life or failed when they tried to take their life and now realize, "Oh my God, I was so wrong. It does get better. I am better. Everything's better. And I just didn't see the light."

Jeremy Renner 54:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:42 "I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I thought there was, there was just nothing but this feeling that I couldn't endure."

Jeremy Renner 54:48 Yeah. That hopelessness.

Joe Rogan 54:50 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 54:50 Oh, that's... That weighs heavy, doesn't it? (exhales) Oof. You, you can't afford that. You can't, you can't give that power. You can't give that value.

Joe Rogan 54:59 No.

Jeremy Renner 55:00 You can't.

Joe Rogan 55:00 It's just-

Jeremy Renner 55:00 It's... I think anybody can sink into that, right?

Joe Rogan 55:03 Anybody can sink into that.

Jeremy Renner 55:04 Oh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Anybody can sink into that. It's just so hard for people that have never gone through something before.

Jeremy Renner 55:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:09 If your life has been really easy-

Jeremy Renner 55:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 ... and then all of a sudden you're tasked with one of the most difficult burdens o- ever, overcoming the fear and the, the, the, the, the feeling of wanting to end life-

Jeremy Renner 55:22 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 55:22 ... because you can't take it.

Jeremy Renner 55:25 Yeah, I've been there. I mean, Jesus. Um, I, well, look, I think, um, people need to suffer.It is an actual requirement of life. It is, is the fiber, the DNA of love. Real love and true love in, in perpetuity can't exist without suffering. It's impossible.

Joe Rogan 55:48 We don't appreciate it.

Jeremy Renner 55:50 Yeah, it's, it ... You have to have suffering.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 55:51 And suffering doesn't have to be looked at in a negative thing. It's ... It could be looked at-

Joe Rogan 55:55 Right.

Jeremy Renner 55:55 ... as a beautiful thing. It's where real love comes out of.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 55:59 You know, all my suffering, there was real love in there. Everyone around me, just in this recovery, or in a loss I may have had from an uncle or a grandparent, or whatever, you know. There's, there's real love that comes in that suffering, you know, even though it can be a lonely experience. I mean, I look at it that way.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 56:18 And not as a negative, terrible thing, because it's just temporary. It's, it's not-

Joe Rogan 56:24 And it's so counterintuitive, though.

Jeremy Renner 56:24 What's that?

Joe Rogan 56:25 It's counterintuitive.

Jeremy Renner 56:26 I- ... In a negative term of it-

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 56:27 ... right? But we all have to suffer.

Joe Rogan 56:29 Right.

Jeremy Renner 56:29 Right? I mean, it's part of the human experience, right?

Joe Rogan 56:32 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 56:32 It's the Joe Rogan experience. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:37 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 56:37 I'm not suffering. I'm having a great time with you. But, you know, but it's ... I don't think people welcome that or allow that to happen in their lives and let it be okay that the, the suffering that we suffer, like, at the hard times are the building blocks to our ... to who we are.

Joe Rogan 56:50 It builds resilience.

Jeremy Renner 56:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:51 It builds character.

Jeremy Renner 56:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:53 It builds all those things.

Jeremy Renner 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:54 I remember one time ... I mean, this is a minor suffering in comparison. But one time, I went on this, uh, hunting trip on Prince of Wales Island, which rains, like, 350 days a year.

Jeremy Renner 57:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 And so we were up there for a week, just getting drenched. And, you know, you're camping, so you're in a tent and you think, "Oh, well, I'll be dry in the tent." No, you're not dry in the tent.

Jeremy Renner 57:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:14 There's no dry. There's no such thing as dry. I remember I turned my headlamp on in the tent once 'cause I had to pee, and I was gonna step out of the tent to go to the bathroom in the rain. And when I pressed the headlamp inside my tent, all I saw inside the tent was water vapor. It was just filled with moisture. There was just water dot ... like droplets all flying around inside the tent. I'm like, "Oh my God, you're never gonna be dry."

Jeremy Renner 57:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:43 "There's no dry." And, you know, it was just miserable, but fun. I was with good friends and we had a good time. Then I came back to LA, uh, you know, a week later, and I remember I called my friend, Steve Rinella. I called 'cause he's the one that took me on the trip. And I said, "Dude, it's sunny out, and I've never appreciated the sun like this before."

Jeremy Renner 58:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:02 "I've ... I'm, I'm like, I'm at a level of happiness that I don't think I've ever felt before. I'm just sitting outside with my eyes closed, just taking the sun ... It was wonderful."

Jeremy Renner 58:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:12 LA is always sunny.

Jeremy Renner 58:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:13 You get so used to it.

Jeremy Renner 58:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:15 It's like you're a trust fund kid-

Jeremy Renner 58:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:18 ... you know, like who can't-

Jeremy Renner 58:19 True.

Joe Rogan 58:19 ... appreciate money.

Jeremy Renner 58:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Because you've always had it. It doesn't mean anything to you. But now, all of a sudden, going ... Just being drenched for seven days and being in that sun, I was like, "Ugh." And then it made me realize, like, "Oh, you need to suffer."

Jeremy Renner 58:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:32 You need to suffer or you're never gonna appreciate-

Jeremy Renner 58:34 You do.

Joe Rogan 58:34 ... this life.

Jeremy Renner 58:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:35 You nee- ... And either you voluntarily suffer or you will suffer involuntarily 'cause life, regular life, will make you suffer.

Jeremy Renner 58:42 Yeah, very true. It's f- ... It's n- ... That's n- ... It s- ... It seems sort of, um, anti-human to wanna do something to make yourself suffer, right? It doesn't seem very sort of ... The characteristics of ... Look, we always wanna take the fastest route to get somewhere-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 58:54 ... and the easy ... It's ... You know? It's just innate and kinda human nature to, to do that, sadly, and it doesn't ... And it ... It ... That, that leads to a life of complacency and mediocrity.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Well, if you look at life today, and if you look at society today, we have unprecedented levels of depression and unprecedented levels of anxiety and unhappiness. Yet, it's probably the safest time ever and it's probably the easiest time ever. It's so easy that poor people are fat.

Jeremy Renner 59:25 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:25 That's how easy it is.

Jeremy Renner 59:26 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Like, that's never been the case. All throughout history, poor people were starving.

Jeremy Renner 59:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:31 And poor people are fat now. Like, that's how easy it is to live-

Jeremy Renner 59:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:36 ... just to exist.

Jeremy Renner 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 So, I mean, not, not, not saying that being poor is easy. It's, uh, certainly not. There's certainly a struggle. But it's way easier than starving to death. Like, this is like an un-

Jeremy Renner 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 ... precedented easy time. And because of that, and because there's this narrative that people have to constantly seek comfort, to seek vacation and relaxation-

Jeremy Renner 59:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:58 ... and retirement and-

Jeremy Renner 59:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:59 ... all that bullshit. And so that's in your head.

Jeremy Renner 1:00:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 And there's this softness to existence. And so everything that comes your way is overwhelming. Somebody said this once, and it's like a great quote that I remember, "The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, regardless of how small that is." So if the worst thing that's ever happened to you is like ... I remember, uh, my girlfriend broke up with me when I was 18 and I was like, "Oh." I couldn't believe it. I thought I was gonna be with her forever. I was so sad.

Jeremy Renner 1:00:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 And then I think back, like, "Oh my God, that was the best thing that ever happened." She was a nightmare. (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 1:00:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 But back then I thought (laughs) ... I was probably a nightmare, too. But back then-

Jeremy Renner 1:00:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 ... I thought, like, life was over, right?

Jeremy Renner 1:00:42 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Which is, uh ... But you have to get through that in order to appreciate life-

Jeremy Renner 1:00:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 ... to really appreciate life.

Jeremy Renner 1:00:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 But we have this bizarre narrative in our head that you shouldn't suffer.

Jeremy Renner 1:00:52 I know. It ... Where, where does that come from?

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 I can't ... Well, because it used to be so difficult to live.

Jeremy Renner 1:00:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 'Cause ... And so you would try to find a time where it wasn't difficult. And so then it became the thing that everybody focused on-

Jeremy Renner 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Focused on chilling, relaxing.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 You know? And the people that I know that don't do anything and don't take any chances and don't take any risks and don't exercise and just seek comfort are the most miserable-

Jeremy Renner 1:01:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 ... anxiety-ridden people I know.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:19 Well, that's ... Yeah. They're pretty much dead inside, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:21 It's complacency, and it's ... That's the definition of complacency-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 But again-

Jeremy Renner 1:01:25 ... in my mind.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 ... it's counterintuitive.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Right? 'Cause you think-

Jeremy Renner 1:01:26 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 ... comfort is easy.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 It's relaxing, it's nice.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 But it's only relaxing if you've earned it.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:32 Yeah, yeah. Correct, correct.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 You gotta get through something-

Jeremy Renner 1:01:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 ... in order to appreciate just chilling on the couch.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:37 Yeah.So I, so I, that's why I always d- do ... (laughs) I, I, I have to fight my, I have to trick my own behavior into doing things I don't wanna do all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:48 You know, if I don't wanna do it, I'm like, "Oh, I'm going to do it, don't even think about it, just go do it."

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:51 'Cause I know-

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:01:53 ... the lazy mind just wants to, like, "Oh, yeah, this, let me just, let me skip the gym today," or, "Let me not do PT today," or whatever the heck it is. And, "I re- I don't wanna get poked and prodded." No, just do it. Just go do it, right? The thing you don't wanna do is the thing you probably should be doing.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Almost always.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:08 Yeah. And I, that's why I pretty much always just do that. It, it gets me out of my way, out of complacency, uh, just, like, laziness. I just, it, it doesn't exist because I do the opposite (laughs) of what I wanna do.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Well, that's why you're happy.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:20 Right? And that's why I'm so full of joy, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 1:02:23 I'm t- I'm so happy. I've never been happier, more connected to humans, more connected to my daughter, more connected to myself, more centered in my m- spirit. Where I am right now, where I'll go, where I'll be, where I always am and always have been is beautiful, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:40 It's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 You gotta conquer your inner bitch.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:44 You do, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 That's what it is.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:45 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 There's an inner bitch inside of everyone that's like-

Jeremy Renner 1:02:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 ... "Oh, let's just do nothing."

Jeremy Renner 1:02:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 It's like, man, you gotta go, "Shut the fuck up."

Jeremy Renner 1:02:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 You have to have, like, two minds. You have to have-

Jeremy Renner 1:02:54 Yeah. Well, you g- you oughta surround yourself with others, too, that can inspire you, too, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Yes. Yes.

Jeremy Renner 1:02:59 To ... So then you do things as, as a, even as you and I to go work out, do something, it's a lot easier than going to the gym by yourself, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:05 You, you try to crea- 'cause we are social creatures, so let's do things that, uh, like I'm doing, uh, like I'm building a whole re- like, rehab recovery center at my house. Like, well, maybe I can open this to the public and make, make this a communal cool thing so everyone has access to this stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:21 And I'm still considering doing that, but, like, just make it a, a, a, a place to, to be and hang so it's everyone can do it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:28 And I'm not, it's not just me-

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Right, right, right.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:30 ... like, separating myself from other people. Whatever it might be in, in my life, there's, there's ... I try to find ways to make it a communal thing, so it just makes it easier to, to continue this in l- in perpetuity.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 That's another counterintuitive thing. It's like, you have to understand how important community is. It's like a vitamin.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:47 Yeah. Yeah, big time.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 It really is.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 It's like-

Jeremy Renner 1:03:49 Well, there's a shared experience, too-

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:50 ... that comes with that, negative or positive, in the tent with your friends, and if you're alone and doing that, right?

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:56 It's, f- you have no one to share that misery with.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:03:59 But at least you d- you shared that experience with somebody. You're like, "Dude-"

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:03 "... never thought I'd love the sun so much. Remember we were fucking eating ass d- ju- (laughs) just sucking on the rain water-"

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 1:04:07 "... in that tent?" You know? But it's like even the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:09 ... negative experience can be, but it's shared, it's still quite beautiful.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Yes.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:13 And it's a, it's a map, a milestone, a part of your life that you use as barometer to change your, or appreciate the sun more, or whatever it might be, right?

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:21 And so those shared experiences, I think, are invaluable. It's the only thing I chase in my life, is that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Yeah. For people, uh, that ever wanna start a fire, when it's, everything's wet, Fritos.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:33 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 You know little Fritos, little bags-

Jeremy Renner 1:04:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 ... of Fritos?

Jeremy Renner 1:04:35 Yeah, yeah, the oil?

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Those little motherfuckers are so toxic-

Jeremy Renner 1:04:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 ... that if you light those things, they're like little fire starters.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:42 No way.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Yeah, man. Fritos are crazy flammable.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 They stay lit for a long-ass time, 'cause they're just soaked with oil.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:50 Oil, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:04:51 Soaked.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Like, whatever oil, whatever horrible fucking seed oil-

Jeremy Renner 1:04:54 Kerosene. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 ... or whatever fucking-

Jeremy Renner 1:04:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 ... industrial lubricant those fucking things are made out of. But when you light them, they're essentially some sort of a corn byproduct in oil.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:01 Oh, right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 And so you, if you light those fuckers on fire, and then you get some semi-dry sticks and light 'em, light those ... And we started one fire one day, 'cause one day it didn't rain.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 So that one day it didn't rain, me and my friend, Brian Callan, we were determined to start a fire.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 And so we just found, like, the driest possible ... Well, nothing was dry, but driest possible sticks and twigs-

Jeremy Renner 1:05:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 ... and started it, and then dried some logs out, and it was, they were hissing, and steam was coming off 'em as we were lighting it, but Fritos.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Fritos are an amazing firestarter.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 Kinda crazy.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:36 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Makes you think about eating, though. Like, "What am I, what the fuck-"

Jeremy Renner 1:05:39 (laughs) I was just gonna say, you're gonna, you're about to eat this shit?

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 "... am I eating?" Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Which brings me to another question. Like, how much did you alter your diet after all this? Because I would imagine, like, anything that causes inflammation, it then becomes an issue.

Jeremy Renner 1:05:51 Yeah, I, I didn't go down so much that route. I'm, I've always eaten pretty good. Um, I di- I didn't, I didn't go into, like, things that ... I haven't gone into that, even yet, to, like, "Oh, what causes inflammation? What, what c- what am I eating that does that?" I, I haven't really gotten that far into yet. I'm still ... I'm sure I will, but ... Or, and I, there was a doctor who also helped me and stuff, and I have people cook, prepare some certain things for me. But I don't, couldn't tell you what causes inflammation that I put in my mouth. Um, could not. I mean, maybe if I had wine, probably does, and alcohol.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:06:24 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Alcohol does, for sure.

Jeremy Renner 1:06:25 Yeah, yeah. Um, but I, uh, again, I don't do ... I, I, I really am good at, uh, moderating all things, all things good and bad. So, um, my body has a chance to sort of exist, and it's not forced. Too many supplements, too many peptides, too many, too many anything.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:06:44 A- all good stuff I sort of just moderate.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:06:45 So, um, uh, once I got my blood right, 'cause I was, like, 205 pounds. I'd never been more than a buck 65. And it just, all this surgery weight and all this stuff, and it's hard to get off when you have a, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:06:59 ... your hemoglobin's 2.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:01 I just had no energy, so also all the-

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 Also, you know, you probably have to eat a lot, too, because your body needs calories in order to help you recover.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:07 That, that, and the, uh, it's good proteins, too.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 Protein. Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:10 And also it's difficult to eat 'cause, again, my molars got pushed in. It's hard to chew. I look fine, but to chew on, on a nice steak and asparagus thing, it's, like, it's tough. It's tough for me to get through. So-

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 Still, to this day? Or no?

Jeremy Renner 1:07:21 Yeah, yeah. It'll be forever. I can't fix it. If I start to move those molars again, uh, they'll probably fall out.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Oh, wow.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:27 Yeah. And I'd rather keep 'em, and just be uncomfortable. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 So they just, they got pushed in.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:33 Yeah, this side, um ... Yeah, it's usually sort of, like, just, like, an arc to your thing, so y- my bite just kinda arcs and it goes straight back. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 Oh, wow.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:41 Yeah, all these got pushed in and broke, broke the jaw three times here, so ...... and then in just breaking the jaw, y- it doesn't ever really heal right. So biting down isn't quite... It's annoying. It's, uh, it's full chaos in my mouth, but it... I don't bitch about it. I just sort of accept what it is and, um-

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 It could have been so much worse.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:57 ... could have been so mu-

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 Yeah.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:58 I have all my teeth. I have a smile on.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:07:59 It's great. Eh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Right. Yeah. (laughs)

Jeremy Renner 1:08:00 You know? And it's... And I f- I feel great and, and, um, I'm walking and breathing and I have imme- love and joy in my life, so, you know, who cares about what happens to my mouth, man?

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 Right. Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:08:10 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:08:10 Yeah. No. That's... It's, it's really kind of an amazing story. And it's... It's just amazing how these stories can be so inspirational for other people too, which is why I'm really glad you wrote your book. Because these stories, they're, they're like autobiographies, especially of people that you admire, that you've seen in movies before. It's like those, those struggles, they're so real. And when someone's going through something themselves-

Jeremy Renner 1:08:35 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 ... and they can turn to your book, it can give them a lot. It's fuel for people.

Jeremy Renner 1:08:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 It really is.

Jeremy Renner 1:08:40 Yeah. It... For me as well. I mean, I'm s- I re- resisted writing it, 'cause I still don't know how or why it can and will inspire people. All... I can only make assumptions, and then I think it's so particular to the actual reader and the person, but... So, I can never sort of pontificate on how or why it's important or not. But it is... Like, it was an achievement for me to get through it word by word, that I didn't want to do. To relive it and then... 'Cause it's in my body. I talk about it all the time. It is... It is a part of my narrative. It is a part of my life. It's just... Recovery is just, uh, it's just my life. And I love it. I enjoy it. I, I feel better, I look better and all that stuff. But it's like, the book now is a tangible, sort of... This is a, this is a, a great dialogue that we'll have as long as we want, but it's just a dialogue that exists. But now this is a tangible object with words. The words don't change. They stay there-

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:09:32 ... like a tablet. And something kind of interesting about that is like a milestone or a tangible thing that now it exists in the world.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:09:40 And psychologically that says a, a lot to me so that even when I do die, that's still there so that maybe it can help somebody even when I can't be there to talk with them or whatever it might be or-

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 Right.

Jeremy Renner 1:09:52 ... even exist, right? Something-

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 It'll