Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 5:51

   Broken foot vs. Cocodona 250: why run 250 miles injured?

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's going on? (laughs)

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:14

      Not much. Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Hello, Cameron Hanes.

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:17

      Welcome to the podcast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Thank you. Uh, this is my first time trying one of these, uh, new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out. Have you tried them? They're good?

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:24

      I have.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      They're legit?

   10. NANarrator0:25

       Really good.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Everything they do is legit.

   12. NANarrator0:26

       Yeah, really good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Has to be legit. Ah, mango.

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:31

       What do you think?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So, this is the part of the podcast where I try to talk you out of running a 250-mile race with a broken foot, you fucking maniac. (laughs)

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       We're talking about my book.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       (laughs)

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:41

       This is, the whole point of this was, undeniable now.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs) Well, you'll definitely be undeniable when you run 250 miles with a broken foot.

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:50

       Yeah, it's, uh...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Why are you doing that? That's seems like a not a good idea. But what am I, a doctor?

   22. CHCameron Hanes0:56

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       (laughs)

   24. CHCameron Hanes0:57

       Okay. So, so real talk, let's just, we'll break it down. So, if I was a professional athlete in my prime-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       (clicks tongue) Right.

   26. CHCameron Hanes1:05

       ... right, it would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery, my foot's broke, I can't perform, whatever. But since I'm, we know how old I am, almost 60, it's just like, there's no guarantees. And I'm like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I'm going to do that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Wow. Um, I don't-

   28. CHCameron Hanes1:27

       I can't afford to play the long game. Can I?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (sighs) Fix your foot. It's like, I don't understand. Like, this is what I've always said with people with jujitsu injuries, 'cause I've had a bunch of surgeries.

   30. CHCameron Hanes1:37

       Yeah.
2. 5:51 – 9:44

   Why podcasts beat mainstream media: authenticity, incentives, and trust

   1. CHCameron Hanes5:51

      Oh, you say that all the time. But man, you, you have so many good conversations and it's like, it's definitely changed... Here's what's crazy, is-... you know, mainstream media, with all the money that the advertisers had to pay or whatever-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CHCameron Hanes6:05

      ... it's like that was, that was their thing. Now, that, it feels like that money's coming to the podcast realm because of you. I mean, you've shown the power of podcasts, and I think all the podcast hosts are benefiting from that. What do you think?

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      Well, I think we are all benefiting from all of our work. I mean, I don't think it's me. Um, you know, I just have been doing it longer than most. You know, but there's guys like Carolla and a few other guys that have been doing it longer than me. You know? It's just, uh, podcasting is just better because there's less people involved. It's really that simple. The problem with stuff like Fox News and CNN is there's too many people involved and too many interests, right? You have the interests of the network, you have the interests of the censors. You have a bunch of people that, you know, don't want you talking about certain things, or want you talking about certain other things. Like, they want you to push certain narratives. There's too many people. And so it feels curated, and so when you're listening, it doesn't resonate. But when you're listening to two people just shoot the shit, you're like, "Oh, I know what that's like." Like, that make, that's, like if someone came over to your house and started talking like a CNN anchor, you'd be like, "What the fuck is this guy doing in my house?"

   5. CHCameron Hanes7:09

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:09

      "Get him out of here."

   7. CHCameron Hanes7:10

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      "I can't relax. You're trying to have a class I want."

   9. CHCameron Hanes7:12

      Like, how would he talk? How would he talk?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       "What we, what we've learned today is that climate change is the most important..."

   11. CHCameron Hanes7:19

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       And you'd be like, "Oh, God."

   13. CHCameron Hanes7:20

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       "Get this guy out of the fucking house."

   15. CHCameron Hanes7:21

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Like, "What are you saying? Why do you talk like that?"

   17. CHCameron Hanes7:22

       So Douglas Murray's gonna come over to my house, it sounds like?

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       Have you ever been...

   19. CHCameron Hanes7:27

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah, I mean, it's just, there's people that are professional talking heads.

   21. CHCameron Hanes7:32

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       Do you know, like, there's, there's people that are professional sportscasters. You know, they talk like a sportscaster voice.

   23. CHCameron Hanes7:38

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Like Howard Cosell. Why know-

   25. CHCameron Hanes7:39

       Radio DJ voice.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Yeah, radio DJ voice.

   27. CHCameron Hanes7:41

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Exactly. Top 40 DJ voices. Like, they're all the same.

   29. CHCameron Hanes7:45

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       "Coming up next." "All right."
3. 9:44 – 13:09

   Social pressure, hot-button topics, and the free-speech clampdown debate

   1. CHCameron Hanes9:44

      Yeah, I wonder if, uh, I, I don't even know how to word it, but people are so used to, like, the fake stuff. Like, even, even if somebody says, if you talk about being transgender and say, "Oh, well, you know, this boy felt like a girl," whatever, it's like you're almost programmed to be like, "Oh, oh, hmm, okay." Just like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Yeah, you're programmed to not have an opinion about it. Yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes10:05

      Right, and so, and that, and, 'cause normally how, as guys work, you talk, we talk about radio DJ voice or the fake or whatever, like, that's not how people talk. But guys can be around a certain group of people, and there'll be, like, one guy. You'd be like, "That guy seemed off."

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      (laughs) Yes. Yes.

   5. CHCameron Hanes10:23

      "What the fuck's wrong with that guy?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      Right, some guy will infiltrate your group.

   7. CHCameron Hanes10:26

      And that's like, that's like, that's like a subtle little thing.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:27

      Mm-hmm.

   9. CHCameron Hanes10:28

      That's not like the things we're talking about, (clicks fingers) like the big things.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       Right.

   11. CHCameron Hanes10:31

       That's like, this, guys have these, this radar, and you're just like, "Who the fuck is this guy?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Right, right, right, right.

   13. CHCameron Hanes10:37

       But, and then you go to the complete other realm, where it's so pres- preposterous.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah.

   15. CHCameron Hanes10:42

       And we're supposed to be like, "Oh, okay."

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:45

       Yeah.

   17. CHCameron Hanes10:45

       "Hm, that makes sense."

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       I actually heard a psychologist discussing this, and he said that there's an issue with talking about things publicly, especially with social media, because there's so much backlash on social media whenever you hit any hot button topic. Immigration, politics, anything that's like a real highly, hotly contended topic. People will say things just so they don't get attacked, and they, they distort their opinions based on how much they think they're going to get attacked.

   19. CHCameron Hanes11:19

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       So all that social media stuff is super effective. People attacking people is super effective for people to, like... This is how transgender people in sports got through.

   21. CHCameron Hanes11:31

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       The only way it got through is 'cause people were calling people bigots.

   23. CHCameron Hanes11:34

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       Every parent, every fucking parent who's not a complete psychopath-

   25. CHCameron Hanes11:40

       (laughs) Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       ... doesn't want their daughter wrestling with some boy who thinks he's a girl.

   27. CHCameron Hanes11:44

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:44

       That's crazy. Playing rugby with some boy who thinks he's a girl. That's crazy. Have a six-foot-six, 50-year-old man who identifies as being 17-year-old girl. That's fucking crazy.

   29. CHCameron Hanes11:57

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       But you can't say that's crazy, or your feed will be bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths attacking you-
4. 13:09 – 17:51

   Elon Musk, Twitter/X, government influence, and ‘debanking’ fears

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:09

      ... is 'cause Twitter was complete nonsense. It was just a psyop. The whole thing was just a psyop. We all owe Elon Musk a huge debt. When he bought Twitter, he changed the conversations in the country.

   2. CHCameron Hanes13:22

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:22

      Because all of a sudden, people were free. They were-

   4. CHCameron Hanes13:24

      Could say what you want.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:25

      You were free to say whatever you wanted.

   6. CHCameron Hanes13:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:27

      Before, you couldn't say anything bad about Biden, or the liberals, or COVID vaccines, or anything.

   8. CHCameron Hanes13:36

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:36

      You would be banned.

   10. CHCameron Hanes13:37

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       You'd be banned.

   12. CHCameron Hanes13:39

       Yeah, that's... You know, that Elon coming, doing what he's done, has cha- has definitely changed the world, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       Without a doubt.

   14. CHCameron Hanes13:46

       I mean, has to. And how much credit does he deserve? Because he did not des- have to do that. I mean, he had s- more money than anybody. Why would he do... Why would he put himself out there like that, other than to make a positive change for humanity, essentially?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       Well, in talking with him both publicly and privately, he was genuinely concerned that we were losing free speech. He was genuinely concerned that it was being hijacked. It was being hijacked under the guise of safety. Safety. Like, "We have to, we have to protect people. We have to protect marginalized people."

   16. CHCameron Hanes14:17

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:17

       Like marginalized male perverts who want to wear dresses and pretend-

   18. CHCameron Hanes14:22

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:22

       ... they're a girl and go to the bathroom.

   20. CHCameron Hanes14:23

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       Literally.

   22. CHCameron Hanes14:24

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       Literally.

   24. CHCameron Hanes14:24

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       You know? And that's, that's dangerous with that, but it's also dangerous with everything else. It's also dangerous, like if you're a person who's a progressive person who believes in gay rights or, you know, f- any of, anything... Welfare, universal basic... Whatever it is. Imagine living in a world where there's no free speech, but the Republicans are in control. Or like super religious conservative people are in control, or Muslims are in control.

   26. CHCameron Hanes14:57

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Let's imagine, like the, the Muslim population in this country is expanding all the time. They've got Muslim-run cities now. They have call to prayer in certain cities in this country. Imagine that goes everywhere. They're in control of social media, and they institute Sharia law on social media, and they want to throw gay people off the roof.

   28. CHCameron Hanes15:16

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       This is where it goes.

   30. CHCameron Hanes15:18

       Yeah, right.
5. 17:51 – 23:56

   Politicians on podcasts, gatekeeping guests, and the Douglas Murray controversy

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:51

      ... I offered to have that Pierre guy come on the podcast.

   2. CHCameron Hanes17:53

      Really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      And he didn't do it, wouldn't do it. Thought it was too problematic.

   4. CHCameron Hanes17:57

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:57

      Or whatever. Jordan told me. I forget what he said. But they, they were telling him not to do it. Like his advisors were telling him not to do it.

   6. CHCameron Hanes18:04

      What did... Which-

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:05

      Like, "Hey-

   8. CHCameron Hanes18:05

      "Hey."

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:05

      ... hey, dumbass." (laughs)

   10. CHCameron Hanes18:06

       If they can't talk to you and have a conversation hold up, it's not... You're not grilling pe- you're not attacking people.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       Of course not.

   12. CHCameron Hanes18:12

       This is like a safe s- you know, the friend zone type thing. It's like no. And I heard you talk about Kamala, saying just want to get to know her, just want to talk to her.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:20

       100%. I said if there's certain things they didn't want to talk about, I don't need to talk about them.

   14. CHCameron Hanes18:25

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       I don't care. I'm like, "I could talk to you about fucking AI."

   16. CHCameron Hanes18:28

       You've never been the gotcha guy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:30

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   18. CHCameron Hanes19:57

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. If like, if someone, if I disagree with someone, I just say I disagree with them. I'm not, I don't attack people. As I've gotten older and wiser in life, I want less conflict. I mean, sometimes you have to be able to disagree in a way that's forceful, but I don't want, I'm never insulting or attack people.

   20. CHCameron Hanes20:20

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:20

       And I, especially this Pierre Poilievre guy, 'cause he, I don't know how to say his name. How do you say it?

   22. NANarrator20:24

       No idea.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       It's a weird way of saying it.

   24. CHCameron Hanes20:27

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       Poilievre. Um, I would just ask him questions, like, "What's wrong? What's wrong with Canada? Like, how did this happen? Why did it go this way?"

   26. CHCameron Hanes20:35

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       "Uh, what can be done to reverse some of these things that have been put into place? Like, how did you feel about this? What did, what would you have done differently?"

   28. CHCameron Hanes20:43

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       Real simple stuff.

   30. CHCameron Hanes20:44

       Yeah.
6. 23:56 – 41:41

   Experts vs. real expertise: credentials, incentives, and lifelong learning

   1. CHCameron Hanes23:56

      Yeah. And also, what is learning? I mean, what is learning?

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:00

      Yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes24:00

      So you said he, he read. He did all this research.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:03

      Yeah.

   5. CHCameron Hanes24:04

      Douglas Murray has a problem with I don't know who, but what is, how is that different than going to school essentially?

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:10

      Right.

   7. CHCameron Hanes24:10

      I mean...

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:11

      It's no different. It's no different. I mean, there are experts that stop learning the moment they get their degree. And that's real.

   9. CHCameron Hanes24:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:19

       And it's a real problem. It's a real problem in medicine. You know, I had an argument with Bryan Callen years ago because his doctor was telling him, "You don't need supplements. You, you just, you just need a balanced diet." That's what his doctor was saying. I go, "Your doctor looks like shit."

   11. CHCameron Hanes24:31

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       Like, "What are you talk- Your doctor's fat. He's got a big pot belly."

   13. CHCameron Hanes24:35

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       "He's got a big doughy face."

   15. CHCameron Hanes24:36

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       "He probably can't run around the block. Shut the fuck up. Don't listen to that guy."

   17. CHCameron Hanes24:39

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:40

       "There's plenty of peer-reviewed papers that talk about the efficacy of vitamins."

   19. CHCameron Hanes24:43

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       "They're super beneficial for you. This is crazy talk."

   21. CHCameron Hanes24:46

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       This appeal to experts, just because you have a degree, you're not always right.

   23. CHCameron Hanes24:51

       No, no.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       You're wrong all the time.

   25. CHCameron Hanes24:53

       Yeah, that was, that was pretty disappointing because I, I thought Douglas Murray, I liked listening to him. I thought he was super smart, obviously very articulate-

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:01

       But he sounds so good with that accent.

   27. CHCameron Hanes25:02

       Yeah. And, and that... But then on that one, I think I told you, is like... Or I texted you something about, "Man, he seemed pompous." It's like, that seemed like a... That took a big... For me, it was a loss for him big time.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:12

       Well, he used tactics rather than facts.

   29. CHCameron Hanes25:16

       Hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       So, the tactic was an appeal to experts like that, and there was also saying that the coverage was imbalanced because they didn't have enough people that were pro-Israel. But then I thought about it afterwards, I'm like, "Oh, quite a few."
7. 41:41 – 49:26

   Bowhunting, stem cells, and training inspiration from fight legends

   1. CHCameron Hanes41:41

      How awesome is bowhunting, though?

   2. JRJoe Rogan41:42

      It's the best.

   3. CHCameron Hanes41:43

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan41:44

      Best way to get food.

   5. CHCameron Hanes41:45

      Yeah. I love it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan41:45

      There's no better way to get food.

   7. CHCameron Hanes41:47

      Have, have you been shooting much?

   8. JRJoe Rogan41:48

      Yeah. Shot this morning. Before I-

   9. CHCameron Hanes41:49

      Did you?

   10. JRJoe Rogan41:49

       ... went to Ways to Well. Yeah.

   11. CHCameron Hanes41:51

       Are we gonna shoot?

   12. JRJoe Rogan41:52

       Uh, I don't know if I have time today, unfortunately, because we spent so much time at Ways to Well, and I gotta, I gotta head home after this.

   13. CHCameron Hanes41:58

       Getting healthy?

   14. JRJoe Rogan41:59

       Yeah, we were getting stem cells today, and the... What's the mask, the infusion, the lung stuff?

   15. CHCameron Hanes42:05

       Yeah, that was, uh... Well, it's stem cell nebulizer, basically.

   16. JRJoe Rogan42:10

       Oh, yeah, so you breathe it in. So you breathe it in like vape.

   17. CHCameron Hanes42:13

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan42:13

       You're vaping stem cells. (laughs)

   19. CHCameron Hanes42:14

       It's gotta be. Hey, all I know, and, and I said this when I was there, but I did that last time, and then I ran a five-mile race. It was 8K, but my fastest five miles I've ever run at-

   20. JRJoe Rogan42:25

       Really? With a broken foot?

   21. CHCameron Hanes42:27

       (laughs) Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan42:28

       (laughs)

   23. CHCameron Hanes42:28

       At 57. So it's like, I don't know what it... If it didn't hurt-

   24. JRJoe Rogan42:32

       Yeah.

   25. CHCameron Hanes42:33

       ... it didn't hurt me, obviously.

   26. JRJoe Rogan42:34

       Well, they've d- done-... so many amazing things with me that I'm, you know, when they say something is really great, you should try it. I'm like, "Okay."

   27. CHCameron Hanes42:42

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan42:42

       So I put the mask on. I'm sitting here with you, we're talking about Rocky Marciano. (laughs)

   29. CHCameron Hanes42:46

       Oh, man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       Where I got into these old, uh, videos on YouTube of fighters training. And I got into this, uh, one video that I sent you about Rocky Marciano and how insane his training was. And it was seven days a week. He would spar sometimes 30, 40 rounds in a day. He would run ten miles in the morning and then five more miles at night, and then he would swim two miles in the lake.
8. 49:26 – 58:24

   Marvin Hagler, John Mugabi, and the cost of greatness in combat sports

   1. JRJoe Rogan49:26

      You know who else trained like that forever? Marvin Hagler.

   2. CHCameron Hanes49:28

      Oh, I- I thought you were gonna say Floyd.

   3. JRJoe Rogan49:30

      Marvin Hagler trained like a fucking warrior.

   4. CHCameron Hanes49:34

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan49:34

      He used to run in... He used to train on the sand dunes in the cape, of Cape Cod in the middle of the winter. And he would just be running, screaming, "War."

   6. CHCameron Hanes49:45

      (laughs) Love that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan49:46

      "War!" Just throwing punches. He would run in combat boots.

   8. CHCameron Hanes49:49

      Dude.

   9. JRJoe Rogan49:50

      He was an animal.

   10. CHCameron Hanes49:51

       I love that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan49:51

       He was an animal, just spartan. He would go to this Provincetown Inn, no fucking phones. He would tell his wife and family, "I'm gone. I don't exist. I'm gone." For two months, he would just vanish. And every day, it would be the same thing. And he would spar, he would spar a lot.

   12. CHCameron Hanes50:07

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan50:08

       Hagler was sparring 100 rounds a week, so he was sparring 20 rounds a day for five days in a row.

   14. CHCameron Hanes50:17

       So...

   15. JRJoe Rogan50:18

       And he would bring in fresh sparring partners too.

   16. CHCameron Hanes50:19

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan50:19

       It's not like one guy he's beating up for 20 rounds.

   18. CHCameron Hanes50:22

       So...

   19. JRJoe Rogan50:22

       No, he'd bring in... He would rotate-

   20. CHCameron Hanes50:24

       (laughs) Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan50:25

       ... five different sparring partners, so they would all-

   22. CHCameron Hanes50:27

       Did Khabib...

   23. JRJoe Rogan50:27

       ... come in and ro- and do four rounds each.

   24. CHCameron Hanes50:28

       Did Khabib do that too, kinda?

   25. JRJoe Rogan50:30

       Perhaps. Uh, I don't know. I mean, um, I don't know exact-... Khabib out- had unbelievably grueling training sessions. And, you know, that was one of the things that was so apparent, like with his, his endurance and his, his... Their discipline was like second to none.

   26. CHCameron Hanes50:48

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan50:48

       They were like, "No girlfriends, no phones, no bullshit, no video games. Fuck you, we train."

   28. CHCameron Hanes50:53

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan50:53

       And, you know, recover, train, eat, recover, train. And-

   30. CHCameron Hanes50:57

       Yeah.
9. 58:24 – 1:25:09

   David Goggins, Izzy training footage, and forging willpower

   1. CHCameron Hanes58:24

      It's, it's like, it's... And it's one reason why Goggins is such a draw.

   2. JRJoe Rogan58:30

      Yeah, for sure.

   3. CHCameron Hanes58:30

      You know, he, he's sort of like that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan58:32

      Oh, he's very much like that. But the craziest thing about Goggins is he's not even training for anything.

   5. CHCameron Hanes58:37

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan58:37

      I asked him about it. He goes, "I'm downloading, downloading information." I'm like, "You're downloading? What are you downloading?"

   7. CHCameron Hanes58:43

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan58:43

      "This is so crazy."

   9. CHCameron Hanes58:44

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan58:44

       We were talking about the video that he, that, uh, Stylebender just put out. J- shout out to Stylebender for putting this out, too.

   11. CHCameron Hanes58:50

       I know. Respect.

   12. JRJoe Rogan58:50

       We were also giving him credit because-

   13. CHCameron Hanes58:52

       Respect.

   14. JRJoe Rogan58:53

       ... because David broke him.

   15. NANarrator58:55

       The higher we go, uh- 'Cause if they're hurting- See that comment? ... you're hurting, you are willing to go to another level higher, that's when you break. Come off of your feet. Step up. This is awesome. Where your world ends, mine begins.

   16. JRJoe Rogan59:10

       Where your world ends-

   17. NANarrator59:12

       Come on.

   18. JRJoe Rogan59:12

       ... mine begins.

   19. NANarrator59:13

       Keep going, keep going.

   20. CHCameron Hanes59:14

       Ooh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan59:14

       And this is one of Goggins' multiple workouts of the day that he took Stylebender through.

   22. CHCameron Hanes59:19

       There, Stylebender's off the...

   23. JRJoe Rogan59:21

       Yeah, and he's-

   24. NANarrator59:22

       Come on. Come on.

   25. JRJoe Rogan59:22

       ... they're helping him back up.

   26. NANarrator59:24

       Come on.

   27. JRJoe Rogan59:24

       By the way, this is after they already ran. This is like the second, this is the third thing they did. They ran, then they did the Airdyne bike, and then they're doing this. So they already did sprints on the Airdyne bike, they ran for distance. I don't know how many miles they ran, but he was exhausted after the run, then exhausted after the Airdyne, and then he does this. And then they do it all over again.

   28. CHCameron Hanes59:45

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan59:45

       They start again with the fucking Airdyne machine. They go back and forth and then it goes to sit-ups and then it goes to s-

   30. CHCameron Hanes59:51

       (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:10:28