Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's going on? (laughs)

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:14

      Not much. Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Hello, Cameron Hanes.

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:17

      Welcome to the podcast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Thank you. Uh, this is my first time trying one of these, uh, new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out. Have you tried them? They're good?

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:24

      I have.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      They're legit?

   10. NANarrator0:25

       Really good.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Everything they do is legit.

   12. NANarrator0:26

       Yeah, really good.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Has to be legit. Ah, mango.

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:31

       What do you think?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So, this is the part of the podcast where I try to talk you out of running a 250-mile race with a broken foot, you fucking maniac. (laughs)

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       We're talking about my book.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       (laughs)

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:41

       This is, the whole point of this was, undeniable now.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       (laughs) Well, you'll definitely be undeniable when you run 250 miles with a broken foot.

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:50

       Yeah, it's, uh...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Why are you doing that? That's seems like a not a good idea. But what am I, a doctor?

   22. CHCameron Hanes0:56

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       (laughs)

   24. CHCameron Hanes0:57

       Okay. So, so real talk, let's just, we'll break it down. So, if I was a professional athlete in my prime-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       (clicks tongue) Right.

   26. CHCameron Hanes1:05

       ... right, it would obviously make sense to say, and I need to get surgery, my foot's broke, I can't perform, whatever. But since I'm, we know how old I am, almost 60, it's just like, there's no guarantees. And I'm like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I'm going to do that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Wow. Um, I don't-

   28. CHCameron Hanes1:27

       I can't afford to play the long game. Can I?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (sighs) Fix your foot. It's like, I don't understand. Like, this is what I've always said with people with jujitsu injuries, 'cause I've had a bunch of surgeries.

   30. CHCameron Hanes1:37

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      the Muslim population in this country is expanding all the time. They've got Muslim-run cities now. They have call to prayer in certain cities in this country. Imagine that goes everywhere. They're in control of social media, and they institute Sharia law on social media, and they want to throw gay people off the roof.

   2. CHCameron Hanes15:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      This is where it goes.

   4. CHCameron Hanes15:18

      Yeah, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      Like you got to leave people the fuck alone.

   6. CHCameron Hanes15:20

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      You got to let them say whatever they want to say, and if you don't agree with them, don't follow them or make an argument against it.

   8. CHCameron Hanes15:25

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      It's really that simple.

   10. CHCameron Hanes15:27

       Yeah. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       That's what America's supposed to be, and it wasn't that way for four fucking years.

   12. CHCameron Hanes15:31

       I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       During the Biden administration, the FBI was involved in Twitter. The, the government-

   14. CHCameron Hanes15:37

       Insane.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       ... intelligence agencies were involved in Twitter. They were telling people to take down true information.

   16. CHCameron Hanes15:44

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       And they were getting them to do it, and they were doing it.

   18. CHCameron Hanes15:47

       How crazy is that?

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Crazy.

   20. CHCameron Hanes15:49

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       People should be up in arms that that took place.

   22. CHCameron Hanes15:53

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Like the Hunter Biden laptop thing, you should be, you should be freaking out. How'd they get 51 former intelligent agencies to sign a- uh, agents to sign off on something they knew was a lie?

   24. CHCameron Hanes16:03

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       That's crazy.

   26. CHCameron Hanes16:05

       Yeah. And-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       They just did it right in front of our face.

   28. CHCameron Hanes16:07

       And no repercussions.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Nothing.

   30. CHCameron Hanes16:09

       It's-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CHCameron Hanes30:00

      him and why did this happen? Because then I, I look around, we talk about the Power of Podcasts, and I see these podcasts, and it's just like, how did this podcast get every guest you could ever want and rise to the top in a heartbeat when we know how it normally works?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CHCameron Hanes30:16

      It works like you.... decades, right? To get to the top. And then some people r- so I'm thinking like, "How did this happen?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      Well, some people are really good.

   5. CHCameron Hanes30:25

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      You know? And they could be really good right out of the bat. Right off the bat, they could be-

   7. CHCameron Hanes30:30

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:30

      ... you know, better at it and then they get a good following. And then once it gets into the top 20 or whatever, then they can get good guests. You know, because when it comes to-

   9. CHCameron Hanes30:39

      But that usually takes time.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Sometimes.

   11. CHCameron Hanes30:42

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       I mean, I don't know. I mean, I wonder what would happen if I started the podcast today. If there was all the podcasts that were out right now, and I had never done a podcast, and I started it today and I did it exactly how I'm doing it-

   13. CHCameron Hanes30:53

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       ... how long would it take before it catches on? I don't know.

   15. CHCameron Hanes30:56

       I don't either.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       I would suck though.

   17. CHCameron Hanes30:58

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       That would be a problem. I would suck and everybody would be watching 'cause I sucked when nobody was watching, and I got better at it. I figured out how to do it. Um, but as far as, like, Douglas, I don't know if anybody got to him or whether or not the group that he associates with thinks this way.

   19. CHCameron Hanes31:14

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       I don't necessarily put everything inside of a grand conspiracy. It might be that he has financial ties towards certain things. You know, like, c- cer- he, you know, he speaks at certain places. He sells certain books. He knows how he's selling them. I mean ...

   21. CHCameron Hanes31:31

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Or it might be just that's how he thinks about things too. There's some- sometimes people always think, like, "Oh, somebody got to him." Like, maybe that's just how he thinks.

   23. CHCameron Hanes31:38

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Somebody has to think that way, otherwise that wouldn't be an opinion that's out there in the zeitgeist.

   25. CHCameron Hanes31:43

       Normally, people don't switch 180 degrees on things though.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       Especially like that, yeah.

   27. CHCameron Hanes31:49

       (laughs) I mean ...

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       That's true. That's true.

   29. CHCameron Hanes31:50

       Because it- because if he's educated on things, if he's been around, if he's, you know, the smart, wise person, you ha- you form this opinion based on that, you don't go 180 degrees the other way and change complete, the complete opposite take.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       Right. Unless you've been influenced.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   There was no Tyson…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Like-

   2. CHCameron Hanes45:00

      There was no Tyson Fury and-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      There was no Mike Tyson either.

   4. CHCameron Hanes45:03

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Like everybody talks about-

   6. CHCameron Hanes45:04

      But still...

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      ... Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano's great. Mike Tyson would have went through him like a fucking train through a flock of sheep.

   8. CHCameron Hanes45:11

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      It- it's a different world. Rocky Marciano, at his heaviest, he weighed 192.

   10. CHCameron Hanes45:15

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       He fought seven boxers who weighed more than 200 pounds, but people weren't that big back then.

   12. CHCameron Hanes45:20

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       Sonny Liston was. Sonny Liston was big.

   14. CHCameron Hanes45:22

       Yeah, so he would have been 20 pounds bigger- bigger than Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       Yes. But Mike Tyson wasn't that big when he was in his prime.

   16. CHCameron Hanes45:30

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       When in his prime, he was like 215, 220, you know, and 510 or 511 as well. He wasn't very big, and he-

   18. CHCameron Hanes45:37

       He was... That is... He was born in '69. Did I see that right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       No, no, no. I think that's when he died.

   20. NANarrator45:43

       He died.

   21. CHCameron Hanes45:43

       Oh, he died.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       I think he died in '69, yeah.

   23. CHCameron Hanes45:43

       Okay. I was gonna, I was gonna say he can't be younger than us. What- what is going on? (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       No, no, no, no, no. He was the heavyweight champion in the 1950s.

   25. CHCameron Hanes45:50

       (laughs) All right, never mind.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Um, see if you can-

   27. CHCameron Hanes45:51

       I do feel old, but just not that old. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       Find, um, Rocky Marciano KOs Joe Louis. It was brutal 'cause, you know, back then, when you were 38 or whatever Joe Louis was when they fought, you were really 38.

   29. CHCameron Hanes46:05

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       No nutrition.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:42

   Falling off. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      heavy. Stylebender is dying and David Goggins-

   2. CHCameron Hanes1:00:04

      Falling off.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      ... is talking to him-

   4. CHCameron Hanes1:00:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      ... with normal breath.

   6. CHCameron Hanes1:00:06

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      At the same time, a world champion, one of the greatest middleweights of all time can't even keep his food down.

   8. CHCameron Hanes1:00:15

      And remember, this is Stylebender who against Kevin Gastelum was saying, "I'm prepared to die."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      Yeah.

   10. CHCameron Hanes1:00:21

       Going into the fifth round.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       Yeah.

   12. CHCameron Hanes1:00:23

       Looks across the ring, cage, says, "I'm prepared to die." Same guy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       Same guy. Yeah. There's levels when it comes to endurance.

   14. CHCameron Hanes1:00:31

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       You know, and I was telling you about, uh, when we were getting our infusions when we were vaping stem cells today.

   16. CHCameron Hanes1:00:37

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       I was telling you about BJ Penn when he was in his prime. When BJ Penn was in his prime, he was training with, uh, Marv Marinovici. And Marv Marinovici had very unorthodox training methods where it was all plyometrics, explosive drills, sprints, box jumps, all this crazy stuff, and he believed, and I'm, I'm hope... I'm not quoting him incorrectly, but he believed that...... fight training was of secondary importance when you're in camp and really what was important is to just have a fucking insane gas tank. Like, BJ Penn knows how to fight. He's a world champ-

   18. CHCameron Hanes1:01:10

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       ... and he's not gonna forget how to fight, but you could get him training this way, where you have this gas tank that's just insane. And when BJ Penn was training with him, he was unstoppable, man.

   20. CHCameron Hanes1:01:23

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       He was like... I s- always say this. Like, people talk about Khabib being the greatest lightweight of all time, and maybe he is. It's very possible he is. But I would put the BJ Penn that fought Joe "Daddy" Stevenson, the BJ Penn that fought Sean Sherk, the BJ Penn that was like, in that peak when he was training with- I would put him against anybody.

   22. CHCameron Hanes1:01:45

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       Against anybody. Against Die- when he fought Diego Sanchez. He couldn't be stopped and if you got him to the ground, his fucking submission game was insane.

   24. CHCameron Hanes1:01:52

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       It was insane off of his back. He would take your back, you were dead. He would knock you out standing up. His kickboxing was elite and he-

   26. CHCameron Hanes1:01:59

       How do you think Khabib would fight him?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       Take him down, for sure.

   28. CHCameron Hanes1:02:03

       But y-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       He'd probably fight him the same way Georges St-Pierre did. You know?

   30. CHCameron Hanes1:02:05

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:10:28