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Joe Rogan Experience #2317 - Cody Tucker

Cody Tucker is a content creator, host of "The Cody Tucker Show" podcast, and now the author of a brand new book, "And Now You Know: Mind-Blowing Stories from History and Pop Culture."  ⁠https://www.Thecodytucker.com⁠ ⁠https://a.co/d/2OPURg1⁠ Go to ⁠https://expressvpn.com/ROGANYT to get 4 months free!

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May 7, 20252h 44mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:06

    Synchronicity, simulation talk, and why Cody’s Instagram “fact videos” work

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) All right, we're up. What up, dog? What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram- (laughs) ... and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out? It's, uh, pretty unlikely. Kind of crazy. Little bit. Right? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's kind of like the universe smiled upon us. (laughs) You know what I mean? It's like, it, it- Yeah. ... synchronicity, if you wanna believe in the simulation. Sometimes I do. I'm with you. I, sometimes you just see something, you're like, "This is, this is a simulation, right?" Right. "We're not in the real..." Yeah. There's, there's a second and a third and a fourth and so on. Sometimes just things seem like God is showing you satire. Like, the- (laughs) ... like, there's, like, just a little fun thrown in there with- I'm with you. ... and a lot of it is on your Instagram page. Mm-hmm. I have to tell you, dude, I have s- wasted so much fucking time- (laughs) ... so much time watching your videos going- Yeah. ... "What the fuck?" (laughs) "Is that real?" Yeah, yeah. And

  2. 1:06 – 6:08

    How Cody built his page: random facts, dark history, and clipping podcast segments

    1. JR

      so many things I've learned from it. It's actually, it's very educational. Yeah. But it's also very fun. Thank you. Um, Cody Tucker. I love to, like- Your book is called And Now You Know. And, uh- And Now You Know. ... I didn't even know you had a book when I reached out to you. I just said, "This guy's gotta be interesting." Like... Yeah, I mean, that remains to be seen, I think. (laughs) But we'll, we'll find out together. Well, you are on Instagram. Thank you. How did you get started doing that, uh, type of a page? 'Cause it's very specific. Yeah. I, I mean, I've always been interested in, like, random facts, like, you know, m- origin stories of words, like movies, all these different things, like the, you know, dark side of history. Right. And I like telling people those stories. And they seem to enjoy it whenever I tell them, so I was like, well why don't I just, like, make little videos and clip 'em, you know, clip 'em up, make 'em look all right. What were you doing before you were doing that? I mean, I've always had a podcast. No one watches this thing, so it's all right. (laughs) Well, let's, we'll bump that bitch up now. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, it might change now, but, um, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily recommend watching the podcast, but it is, it exists. Ah, that's hilarious. So, that's all right. But, uh, yeah. That is, by the way, so much better than, "Please watch my podcast. Like and subscribe." Whenever a video gets interrupted by- Nah. ... "Like and subscribe," the last thing I wanna do is like and subscribe. Like, come on. No. I s- I mean, I'd rather you just, if you watch it and like it, well, thank you. If you don't, get- you get in line. There's others. Well, that's how podcasts get good. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what I started out doing with this. I never advertised this thing once. Yeah. This, this- (laughs) ... thing got where it is 100% word of mouth. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. 'Cause I m- I started watching pretty early, and it was, but it still had, like, a pretty decent following then. But I know you, like, you started, like, even earlier. We started in 2009. Yeah, so this would've been, like, year, couple years after that, even, that I started watching what it was. But when I started, you know, me and my friend, Brian, when we started, we weren't even thinking it was a podcast. We- Yeah. ... we had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs. Right. Yeah. Back when it was on Justin.tv, which became what, Jamie? Twitch. Twitch. So we would just be- Okay. ... you know, like, Joey would be talking shit in the green room. Yeah, yeah. And we'd be having fun, and, you know, we'd just film it just for fun. Gotcha. And then, um, I had a few friends that started doing internet shows. Tom Green was the big one. 'Cause Tom Green- Yeah. ... had it all set up at his house. He's incredible, too. Oh, he's the best. Yeah. He's such a sweetheart, too. Yeah. So, like, such a s- everything you would hope he'd be, that's who he is. Great, great fucking guy. Yeah. And, you know, like, really a forward-thinker early on. He was like- Yeah. ... "I think I can just do this from my house. Why don't I just do..." Yeah. But it was too early. Like, this is 2007, and the internet sucked. It wasn't ready yet. Yeah, yeah. You know, no one had smartphones yet. It was, like ... Yeah. But he was patient zero, I think. Gotcha. Him, and then there was this, uh, Opie and Anthony Show that I used to do. Oh, they were amazing. They were amazing. And, but- Yeah. ... Anthony Cumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement- Uh-huh. ... where he would do karaoke with a green screen, holding a machine gun. He was fucking- That's incredible. ... he's nuts. He's out of his mind. (laughs) And he had, like- Yeah. ... beers on tap, so they'd be getting hammered. Jesus. He's playing video games. He's a maniac. Yeah. And, and I was like, "That looks like so much fun." I was like- Yeah. ... "He just has a studio that he set up in his basement." Yeah. And so we just started fucking around with the m- most bare of equipment. It was a fucking laptop webcam. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And, uh, we had, like, a USB mic. Yeah. Okay. We had one of them blue mics. Yeah, the blue, yeah. The big, stupid silver ones. We had one of those. It's, like, 30 bucks at Walmart. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. That's how we started. And then- Oh. ... it, you know, we just kept doing it. But s- telling people not to go to your podcast is classic. That's very fun. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's usually my thing. 'Cause if, there are people that do watch it, and I think they like it. And I like those people. (laughs) I'm glad, I'm glad those people are around. But it's not f- it's not something that should ever become popular. Well, you know, there's two schools of thought today with, uh, the youngins like yourself. Yeah. It's like, just get famous at any cost. Yeah. Get on TikTok. Yeah. Share your dick on OnlyFans. What, whatever you have to do. Yeah, been there, done that, yeah. Or not. Right? Yeah. Or fuck that. Right. And that, you're in the fuck that category. Yeah. I d- I could care less about being f- having anyone know who the fuck I am. Which, granted- Good. ... here, you know, here I am, which stuff's kinda odd. I know, it's nuts. But ... That's the, but that's also why you're here, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's also why your book came out today. It's like, there's a synchronicity going on. Yeah. Something. There's something, where like- Something's happening. ... things are crossing over that I didn't ... So you just d- you did your podcast. Yeah. And in those stories that you would tell on the podcast- Mm-hmm. ... where you would drop some crazy information- Exactly. Yeah, I did, yeah. ... then you s- decided to start clipping them up. Exactly. So the, I would end it with just, like, oh, here's some, like, half-assed history, which is what I called, like, the segment. And then, uh, I was like, oh, here's, like, a half-assed cig- half-assed history segment and just ramble about some bullshit from, like, Napoleon or something. I binged 'em today. (laughs) And, uh, what- Serious? Sorry. 'Cause, you know, was getting ready for you to come in. No, it was fun. It was fun. (laughs) You, you really freaked me out with the whole Outlaw

  3. 6:08 – 8:08

    The Outlaw Josey Wales twist: author Forrest/Asa Carter’s white supremacist past

    1. JR

      Josey Wales thing. Like, I love that movie. Dude. And now I'm like, "Oh, no." Yeah, can't watch it anymore. Oh, no. It's the guy who wrote the book that turned into the, I mean, I mean ... Tell the story, 'cause it's so crazy.

    2. CT

      ... yeah, there was a fellow named Asa Carter. So, Asa Carter is this massive white supremacist. Like, he was in the KKK, and then left the KKK (laughs) because they weren't racist enough.

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. CT

      They... He was like, "Y'all don't hate Black people way more..."

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. CT

      Like, "Y'all should be hating these people way more than you should."

    7. JR

      Ugh.

    8. CT

      So, he made his own version, like a splinter group of the KKK. And, uh, I mean, he was part of like... He would show up to, like, Nat "King" Cole concerts, try to drag him off the stage, you know? Like-

    9. JR

      Oh, my God.

    10. CT

      And, um, he became a speech writer for George Wallace. Not the comic but, you know, um, the-

    11. JR

      The governor.

    12. CT

      ... the governor of Alabama, George Wallace, who was, you know, the, "Segregation now, segregation forever." He was a speech writer-

    13. JR

      As you said, a massive piece of shit-

    14. CT

      Massive.

    15. JR

      ... in the video.

    16. CT

      Horrible human being.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. CT

      I mean, (laughs) yeah. Just an all-around-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. CT

      ... knucklehead.

    21. JR

      So, he's speech writer for that guy?

    22. CT

      He helped write that speech. The, uh, "Segregation now, segregation forever." He was a co-writer of that speech. Then things kind of fell apart from him. George Wallace was like, "You're too racist for me, buddy."

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. CT

      Like, like, "I just don't want them to go to school with my kids."

    25. JR

      Ugh.

    26. CT

      Like, it's like, "I don't want them to not exist."

    27. JR

      Oh, my God.

    28. CT

      And, uh, yeah. So, he, uh, moved to Florida, changed his name kinda, I think, to Forrest Carter, I think is what he changed his name to, and started writing books. One of them was the Rebel Outlaw Josey Wales, which, you know, Clint Eastwood turned into-

    29. JR

      God.

    30. CT

      ... Outlaw Josey Wales.

  4. 8:08 – 13:19

    Stephen King pseudonyms: Bachman, confusion, and why prolific writers hide in plain sight

    1. JR

      That guy was so... Cocaine worked so well for him.

    2. CT

      Whoa.

    3. JR

      You know what I'm saying?

    4. CT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I mean, if there's ever a dude, and I know he's clean and sober now, and God bless him, and I feel terrible-

    6. CT

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... that the guy got hit by a fucking van. Like, the whole deal.

    8. CT

      Crazy.

    9. JR

      It's crazy.

    10. CT

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that?

    11. JR

      The Dark Half, Stephen King adaptation. Oh, so it wasn't Stephen King?

    12. CT

      Well...

    13. JR

      It wasn't Bachman?

    14. GC

      George Stark it says.

    15. JR

      Oh, he d- another pseudonym.

    16. CT

      Oh, he had a different-

    17. JR

      Jesus Christ.

    18. CT

      I didn't know that.

    19. JR

      That's how prolific that guy was.

    20. CT

      I had no idea he had another one.

    21. JR

      He's so prolific, he has extra pseudonyms.

    22. GC

      Yeah.

    23. CT

      He had a pseudonym for a pseudonym.

    24. JR

      Bro, there is not a guy-

    25. CT

      That's incredible.

    26. JR

      ... who has ever lived who has made more bangers, more just...

    27. GC

      "Follows Thad Beaumont, a writer who achieves fame," so that's about... That, that's the pseudonym-

    28. JR

      Oh.

    29. GC

      ... of the guy in the book.

    30. CT

      Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

  5. 13:19 – 16:04

    Famous deaths, Norm MacDonald stories, and smoking as “cool” self-sabotage

    1. JR

      He was a bummer when he died, man. That one-

    2. CT

      I-

    3. JR

      That one bummed me out.

    4. CT

      Yeah, I've only cried a couple times when, like, a famous person died. Uh, that's one of them. I, like, broke down. Heath Ledger and, uh, Steve Irwin are the others.

    5. JR

      Yeah, that was a bummer.

    6. CT

      Yeah, Steve Irwin especially.

    7. JR

      Chadwick Boseman from-

    8. CT

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... um-

    10. NA

      Black Panther.

    11. CT

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      ... Black Panther. And what else was he in? He's been in-

    13. CT

      He was in 42, played Jackie Robinson.

    14. JR

      The, the heartbreaking one, there's an interview with him-

    15. CT

      Oh.

    16. JR

      ... where he's talking to that woman and he says, "I'm already dead." And she doesn't know what he's saying-

    17. CT

      Fuck this.

    18. JR

      ... 'cause he didn't tell anybody.

    19. CT

      Yes.

    20. JR

      The dude went through the mill, he was filming the movie while he was battling cancer.

    21. CT

      While everyone was making fun of him for looking skinny and creepy looking. He's like...

    22. JR

      Crazy.

    23. CT

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Crazy.

    25. CT

      Which (sighs) it is kinda, like-

    26. JR

      A gangster way to go.

    27. CT

      It is.

    28. JR

      So did Norm MacDonald, he did the same thing. Norm MacDonald-

    29. CT

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... didn't tell anybody that he had cancer, just went up to Canada and died. He was battling it for years.

  6. 16:04 – 25:46

    Nicotine, additives, fast food, and the “why is this legal?” framing

    1. JR

      And a lot of people, I mean, they keep pointing to, like, it's like everyone's playing Russian roulette with fucking lung cancer. It's so crazy.

    2. CT

      Yeah. Yeah.

    3. JR

      You're probably right, like, "Ah, 80% of the people don't even get cancer, bro." Like... (laughs)

    4. CT

      Which I'll take those all. I mean, look, I'll tell you, smoking just looks so cool.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. CT

      Smoking cigarettes, like, God, I smoke cigarettes, which I need to not do that, but God-

    7. JR

      It does.

    8. CT

      I do feel cool.

    9. JR

      It's also, there's an... I don't even give a fuck about my health. I'm out here thanking nature.

    10. CT

      Well, I don't have to be smoking a cigarette for people to realize that.

    11. JR

      Ah. (laughs)

    12. NA

      (laughs)

    13. CT

      Nobody's looking at me like, "Jesus, that guy goes the whole 2 à l'heure."

    14. JR

      But that's, like, accelerating your demise, like, purposely accelerating your demise for-

    15. CT

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... um, a, a head rush. Which is, I had to do this thing once, um, a buddy of mine had this sketch show and they had this sketch that they were, they were putting together this idea. And he asked me to be, like, this troubled poet guy.

    17. CT

      Mm.

    18. JR

      And I said, "Okay, what, what do you think I should do?" And he goes, like, "We think you should be, like, smoking cigarettes. You should be, like, this guy just smoking cigarettes and talk..." And I'm like, "Okay, okay, okay."

    19. CT

      That's right, yeah.

    20. JR

      So I never smoked before.

    21. CT

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      And that day I probably smoked, like, 15 cigarettes.

    23. CT

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      And I felt like fucking dog shit, dude.

    25. NA

      Jesus. Oh my God. (laughs)

    26. JR

      My hands were shaking. And, uh-

    27. CT

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... my friend, Adam Ferrara, who's a comedian who was doing this with me, he smoked and he gave me some of his cigarettes. And I remember thinking, "How do you do this? How are you doing this to yourself every day? This is so crazy."

    29. CT

      In what time span do you think, the 15 cigs?

    30. JR

      Uh, I guess we were doing it all throughout the day, so it was probably four or five hours.

  7. 25:46 – 34:43

    Extremes online, paid influencers, and the Reddit “Dead Internet” bot experiment

    1. JR

      Did you see about that Reddit Dead Internet thing?

    2. CT

      Reddit Dead... I don't think so. No, no, no.

    3. JR

      Did you see... Jamie, do you know about this? Like there's a... I believe it's... Might be a lawsuit.

    4. CT

      Oh.

    5. JR

      So this company, um, used a bunch of chatbots on, I believe-

    6. CT

      Oh.

    7. JR

      ... it was on Reddit. I s- I just sent it to someone. I'll find it if you can't find it. Um, but I think... I forget what the argument was about, but, uh, essentially they're getting in trouble for facilitating these fake arguments, like, as an experiment.

    8. CT

      Oh.

    9. JR

      Which is f- fucking-

    10. CT

      That's wild. (laughs)

    11. JR

      For sure countries are doing that. Reddit threatens to sue researchers who ran a Dead Internet AI experiment on its site.

    12. CT

      Ah.

    13. JR

      Deeply wrong on a both moral and, uh, legal level.

    14. CT

      Well, that's not good.

    15. JR

      So this is what they did. (clears throat)

    16. CT

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Um, Change My View is the subreddit. Long been a contentious place for Reddit users to post an opinion and understand other people's perspective. Forum filled with fiery but largely civil debates covering everything from the role political activism, um, to the dangers of social media and echo chambers. Okay.

    18. CT

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      Lately, though, not every user posting on the forum has been a real human. As 404 Media reported this week, University of Zurich researchers dispatched an army of... Boy, Zurich? That's not a good place to do it from, guys.

    20. CT

      No.

    21. JR

      You shouldn't be involved in s- (laughs)

    22. CT

      No, the Swiss aren't really-

    23. JR

      Where you live, you sketchy.

    24. CT

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Uh, research, uh, dispatched an army of AI chatbots to debate human users on the subreddit in a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds.

    26. CT

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      The optics were horrendous, with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault-

    28. CT

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      ... and a Black man who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement. Worse yet, the AI models scoured the post history-

    30. CT

      (laughs)

  8. 34:43 – 42:15

    Privacy trade-offs and legal fine print: Uber arbitration and “which country’s laws apply?”

    1. JR

      Somebody told me there was something th- we might have to (laughs) edit this out if it's not true. But somebody told me there's something fucked up about Google's, uh, terms, uh, and whatever terms apply there with the thing that you have to agree to, that it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation.

    2. CT

      To mediation?

    3. JR

      Yeah, like in case of some sort of a dispute, a legal dispute, you, you've agreed-

    4. CT

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... to mediation in the... So you're not gonna sue them.

    6. CT

      So you can't... Really? Yeah, like whenever you get hired at a new job, they have those kinds of like clauses typically.

    7. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    8. CT

      Yeah, yeah. That's, that's so weird. (laughs)

    9. JR

      If it's true.

    10. CT

      Yeah, it would. Yeah, yeah.

    11. JR

      But we need to find out if it's true, 'cause somebody was telling, telling it to me, and I was like, "Wait, what?"

    12. CT

      Phew.

    13. JR

      'Cause that sounds insane.

    14. NA

      ... involuntary, and neither you nor Google are recruited for this. And they also... I typed that in. This is what pops up.

    15. JR

      "Except as required by applicable law, mediation is voluntary, and neither you nor Google are ob- obligated to settle disputes through mediation."

    16. CT

      What the hell does that mean?

    17. NA

      I don't know the context in which you were told it, 'cause this is like for developers, and I don't know-

    18. JR

      But this is U- I said Uber.

    19. NA

      I thought you said Google.

    20. JR

      No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    21. CT

      Yeah, I thought you said Google too.

    22. JR

      Oh, I'm sorry.

    23. CT

      No.

    24. JR

      Uber.

    25. CT

      Oh, okay, okay.

    26. JR

      Uber. I'm sorry. I was... I probably mumbled.

    27. CT

      Uber.

    28. JR

      Okay, Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court.

    29. CT

      (clears throat) Mm.

    30. JR

      This arbitration is individual and non-consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit.

  9. 42:15 – 45:53

    Waymo and self-driving cars: convenience, control, and the ‘bridge’ to transhumanism

    1. JR

      It's very weird. It's, the, but the, the driverless car thing might be even weirder because that's a solution out of it. Like, "Man, I don't trust these Uber drivers. They're sketchy, man." Good, get in one of those fucking robot cars.

    2. CT

      The Waymos.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. CT

      Get-

    5. JR

      Get one of those Waymos where you can't even bribe it, okay?

    6. CT

      Yeah.

    7. NA

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      The government's trying to get you and you're, they're, they have it set up for you. You go, "Bro, change of plans. This is what I want you to do. I'm gonna give you $500. You're gonna drive me to Ohio." (laughs) You know what I mean?

    9. CT

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    10. JR

      You know what I mean? (laughs) You know what I mean? Like, you can do that.

    11. CT

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      Like, if the government's after you-

    13. CT

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      ... and you're in a fucking Uber drive, and the guy's cool, you go, "Listen, dude."

    15. CT

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      "I'm gonna make this worth your while. It's a four-hour drive."

    17. CT

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      "Four hours back."

    19. CT

      Yeah, how do you do that to a Waymo?

    20. JR

      You don't.

    21. CT

      Can't do that.

    22. JR

      You don't.

    23. CT

      You can't.

    24. JR

      Th- they get you. They shut the car off, you ... They lock the doors.

    25. CT

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      You-

    27. CT

      And you're locked in another Uber contract probably.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. Yeah, yeah.

    30. CT

      It is.

  10. 45:53 – 50:23

    Gene editing anxiety: tardigrades, radiation resistance, and China’s ‘super people’ fears

    1. JR

      Like, there's some ... There was a thing in China. See if you could find this, um ... Y- do you know what a tardigrade is?

    2. CT

      No.

    3. JR

      I don't know.

    4. Tardigrades are these really weird little almost insect-looking things-

    5. CT

      Uh-huh.

    6. JR

      ... that are unbelievably durable.

    7. CT

      Oh, these little things.

    8. JR

      They're tiny, microscopic little fuckers.

    9. CT

      Yeah, they call them, like, something bears or something.

    10. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    11. Little water bear?

    12. CT

      Yeah, yeah. I've seen that. Yeah.

    13. JR

      Yeah. What do they call them? What kind of bears?

    14. Little water bear?

    15. CT

      Water bear.

    16. JR

      Water bears.

    17. CT

      Little water bear.

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    20. So, these little fuckers can survive forever in space, um, for whatever reason.

    21. CT

      For sure.

    22. JR

      They go into, like, hibernation in space. Like-

    23. CT

      I want that.

    24. JR

      And they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander-

    25. CT

      Uh-huh.

    26. JR

      ... that are actually on the moon. They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're, like, in a suspended state of animation and that if you brought them back to the United States-

    27. CT

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... they'd kick back in and be alive again. That's how crazy these little fuckers are.

    29. CT

      That's so weird.

    30. JR

      So, there was this Chinese-

  11. 50:23 – 1:00:14

    Laurel Canyon, intelligence-adjacent music myths, and today’s “noise” problem

    1. JR

      'Cause it's all, like, you know the m- the whole music scene has, like, weird intelligence agency roots.

    2. CT

      The Laurel Canyon thing is strange. It's el-

    3. JR

      Crazy.

    4. CT

      Yeah, yeah, with all those people, like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, well, maybe not Neil Young, but, like, uh, yeah, that, like, a lot of those artists had, like, in Vietnam-

    5. JR

      Too many connections.

    6. CT

      Yeah, and Jim Morrison's dad started Vietnam.

    7. JR

      Yes.

    8. CT

      I mean, that's, like, the big thing.

    9. JR

      Jim Morrison's dad was, like, a serious military man.

    10. CT

      Yeah, he was the Navy admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. CT

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      It's one of those things where it's like, you first h- you first hear about that one and we go, "What? Get outta here."

    14. CT

      No.

    15. JR

      But then you hear, well, no. Like, it's not like these artists didn't exist.

    16. CT

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      But why did they become famous? Why did they get promoted? Like, what, what was it about... Was it a... Do you think it's-

    18. CT

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... like, a psychology... But y- 'cause, like, take a guy, eh, in the Laurel Canyon scene, like Hendrix. Like, you can't make a Hendrix accidentally. Or you can't make a-

    20. CT

      No.

    21. JR

      ... uh, Jim Morrison. Even though his dad was, like, there's something about that guy, the way-

    22. CT

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... he sang, his, just the way it felt, like when-

    24. CT

      Right.

    25. JR

      ... he was stage. He was a star, man.

    26. CT

      Yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      I don't think you could turn a person who isn't that into that.

    28. CT

      No, not even close.

    29. JR

      No.

    30. CT

      No, no. You can, you can pump up, like, a pop idol. You can't really pump up a rock star.

  12. 1:00:14 – 1:03:38

    Self-diagnosis, ADHD as ‘civilization mismatch,’ and school as an enthusiasm killer

    1. CT

      Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, or read 24/7 and look up random, you know, bullshit to-

    2. JR

      But that's the superpower of it, right?

    3. CT

      I think so. I mean, I've, uh, yeah, I, I'm glad I have it, you know?

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. CT

      I don't know if I'm really autistic, but if I am, I'm glad I have it, you know?

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. CT

      I'd much rather have that.

    8. JR

      Well, are you self-diagnosed?

    9. CT

      Of course.

    10. JR

      Oh, there you go.

    11. CT

      I'm self-diagnosed right at the top-

    12. JR

      But you are a doctor though, right?

    13. CT

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Well, yeah.

    15. CT

      Sure.

    16. JR

      Well, that's fine then.

    17. CT

      I mean, as much as, you know, as much as anybody else is.

    18. JR

      Uh, I'm guilty as charged. I've self-diagnosed myself with ADHD.

    19. CT

      Yeah, but you, but, you know, but you know yourself better than anybody else.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. CT

      So, you should be able to self-diagnose yourself.

    22. JR

      Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real.

    23. CT

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      You know, I think it's one of those-

    25. CT

      I'm way diff-

    26. JR

      ... things for people that just think differently, and they're fucking bored as shit, and they can't pay attention-

    27. CT

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... to stuff that sucks.

    29. CT

      Yeah. Well, and there probably is some disorder in it.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

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