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Joe Rogan Experience #2320 - Tom Segura

Tom Segura is a stand-up comedian, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts: “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with Bert Kreischer. He is also the author of “I’d Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays.” Watch his comedy series, “Bad Thoughts,” now streaming on Netflix. ⁠https://www.ymhstudios.com⁠ ⁠https://www.netflix.com/title/81740857⁠ Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using ⁠https://dkng.co/rogan⁠ or with my promo code ROGAN.  GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit ⁠https://gamblinghelplinema.org⁠ (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ⁠https://ccpg.org⁠ (CT), or visit ⁠https://www.mdgamblinghelp.org⁠ (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: ⁠https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos⁠. Ends 5/18/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK.

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  1. 0:00 – 2:28

    How Tom Segura got Netflix to greenlight 'Bad Thoughts' (by making it first)

    1. NA

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. TS

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays)

    3. JR

      (laughs) What's wrong with you?

    4. TS

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      How? First of all, how did Netflix let you make this show?

    6. TS

      Well, they wouldn't have-

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. TS

      ... let me make it if I just pitched it to them. (laughs)

    9. JR

      (laughs) What did you do?

    10. TS

      I made a few- (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. TS

      I made a few and showed it to them.

    13. JR

      Oh my God.

    14. TS

      'Cause I, I knew. I knew that I, like-

    15. JR

      Dude.

    16. TS

      ... that if, like-

    17. JR

      You can't give anybody, like, the script.

    18. TS

      No.

    19. JR

      No.

    20. TS

      The script won't work. The script won't work.

    21. JR

      (sighs)

    22. TS

      I mean, that's just-

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. TS

      (laughs) That's the thing is, like-

    25. JR

      That's very funny. Very funny.

    26. TS

      Thanks, man. It's, um-

    27. JR

      So ridiculous.

    28. TS

      It's pretty ridiculous. You know, it was a few years ago that I made the, like, the initial one. It was, um, I was on that crazy tour, that real crazy tour-

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. TS

      ... where it was, like, you know, fucking 10 shows a week, and I had a break coming up. And so, I've always liked movies, like, features, right? But it's, it's a lot, it's a huge undertaking to get a feature made, but I liked short films 'cause it feels like you're making a movie, you know, like, a mini-movie, right?

  2. 2:28 – 4:51

    Tom’s original Hollywood dream: movies first, standup later

    1. TS

      Yeah, yeah. Because, you know what? I was thinking about it, like, on my way in here today. I was like, sometimes you have to remind yourself, like, of what your orig- like, your dream w- like, your original dream, you know? And my-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. TS

      ... dream when I moved to LA had nothing to do with standup. I never thought of standup. Not to say that I don't love doing standup today. I have, I have, like, I, I'm in love with standup. But I moved to LA because I was like, "Oh, I wanna do movies." Like, that was my whole thing.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. TS

      I wanna, I wanna do comedy movies, and I had like, my own blueprint for how I would do it. I was like, "I'll go to The Groundlings. SNL will definitely hire me from there." Like, this is, like, my 21-year-old brain. "And then I'll do that for a couple years, and then I'll do movies." Like, I, I thought that was a logical game plan to (laughs) to, to end up in movies. And it just, you know... I did do The Groundlings for a while, the school, but when I was supposed to do writing lab, which was, like, one of their levels, I had started standup, and I was just like, "Oh, this path is just better for me." Like, I, I was getting traction. Not like... My career wasn't moving, but I'm saying, like, I could feel how much I loved it, and I was starting to get, like, $50 here and there, and I was like, "Oh, it's not doing the writing lab thing. It's staying in the standup path, you know?"

    6. JR

      Hmm.

    7. TS

      Like, that's kind of like-

    8. JR

      Interesting.

    9. TS

      But the dream of, like, of doing something like movies, which is like, this feels like, to me, like they sent me to film school, and they were like, "Make your fucked up movies." (laughs)

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      That's what it felt like. That's been, like... I was, you know, I was working, like, 16-hour days doing this thing, and I would come home, and Christina would be like, "I have never seen you so energized after working all goddamn day." She's like, "You come home in the best mood."

    12. JR

      Wow.

    13. TS

      And I was like, "Yeah, 'cause I'm having fun. Like, I'm having so much fun doing this," you know?

    14. JR

      Well, that shows you're doing the right thing.

    15. TS

      I think so. I mean, it was like-

    16. JR

      Yeah, sure. That is so uniquely you.

    17. TS

      It is, right?

    18. JR

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's our fucking text thread. (laughs)

    19. TS

      (laughs) It pretty much is. There are some in here that I can't wait for you to see. Like, there are some in here that I literally cannot wait for you to see.

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. TS

      She... This morning, she goes, "Why is it called Bad Thoughts? It should be called Cock Thoughts."

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. TS

      (laughs) She's like, she's like, "I swear there's dicks in like, every other one."

    24. JR

      (laughs)

    25. TS

      I'm like, "Yeah." She's like, "Dicks and violence, that's your, your wheelhouse."

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      We need more of this in the world. (clears throat)

    29. TS

      Yeah.

  3. 4:51 – 8:53

    Why studios got scared of comedy (and why that creates an opening)

    1. JR

      We really do. Um, the, you know that, um, that show, the, um, the religious show on Max? Why, why am I not remembering it?

    2. NA

      Righteous?

    3. JR

      Righteous Gemstones.

    4. TS

      Oh, yeah.

    5. JR

      Fucking A.

    6. TS

      Yeah, man.

    7. JR

      Dude.

    8. TS

      Danny McBride.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. TS

      He's fucking fantastic.

    11. JR

      Yeah. He's fantastic. The, but the whole cast is fantastic.

    12. TS

      The whole cast is, yeah, yeah.

    13. JR

      The fucking show is so good.

    14. TS

      Uh-

    15. JR

      It's so funny.

    16. TS

      Goggins, Adam Devine.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. TS

      John Goodman.

    19. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Everyone's amazing.

    22. TS

      They're all fantastic.

    23. JR

      But it's also so ridiculous.

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      It's like, thank God. It's like, it seems like for a while people were getting scared of making anything f- offensive.

    26. TS

      I know. And it also feels like so many studios, networks, platforms, whatever you wanna call it, are like, so distanced from comedy. Like, it's like comedy is like a-

    27. JR

      Yeah. It's too dangerous.

    28. TS

      It's very s- like...

    29. JR

      Well, what's weird is you can get away with so much in a drama. In a drama, you could have violence and theft and car accidents.

    30. TS

      Yeah.

  4. 8:53 – 11:52

    Touring vs. creating: building time for films and taking standup breaks

    1. TS

      I know, yeah. It was, I guess I was probably, like, I kinda was resigned to, "That's not gonna happen," too.

    2. JR

      Ah, interesting.

    3. TS

      You know, not like... I mean, uh, the other thing is, like, dude, every time I'm out on the road, you know, I would get a call, "Hey, they wanna see you for this part." Or, "You got an offer to shoot this show or this m- like, here's the offer." And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm, I'm on tour. Like, I can't move to the fucking United Center, you know? Like..."

    4. JR

      They don't care.

    5. TS

      They don't care, and I'm like-

    6. JR

      They just want that piece.

    7. TS

      And I'm like, "Dude, I can't-"

    8. JR

      'Cause they don't get a piece of that United Center.

    9. TS

      I know. (laughs) Like, I can't move all that shit. But that's also... I realized that after years of that, it's like, well, if I'm always touring, I'm just never gonna be able to do something else.

    10. JR

      Other people's stuff.

    11. TS

      Yeah. And so it also kind of, I got excited about, you know, having the summer off and I could do something, and then my tour, the current tour I'm on will end in December, and I'm leaving 26 wide open.

    12. JR

      Really?

    13. TS

      Yeah. I mean-

    14. JR

      You're just gonna film stuff.

    15. TS

      I'm gonna just, yeah, film some stuff-

    16. JR

      (clears throat)

    17. TS

      ... and then I'll still do, like, what I do, which is, like, go into your club or book some club weekends, which are kinda like low, you know, stress kinda things where you go, like-

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. TS

      ... "Hey, I'm just gonna go work out."

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TS

      So I'll s- I'll k- try to keep the muscle fresh, but I won't book, like, a tour, you know?

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      Uh, it's good to take breaks.

    25. TS

      It is, right?

    26. JR

      I'll tell you that. I took a big sort of a break. I've just been doing the club.

    27. TS

      How's that?

    28. JR

      Since I did my live special.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      It's, uh, very nice. It's not n- it's great having no pressure, so, like, I just talk about what I wanna talk about, and I write about what I wanna write about.

  5. 11:52 – 18:50

    Standup as hypnosis: cadence, authenticity, and why bits die

    1. JR

      ... actually interesting. That's the thing. It's like, you know, as I've gotten older, I've tho- thought s- m- much more about standup, and I, there's, a lot of standup is kind of, like, unspoken. I think a lot of it is hypnosis.

    2. TS

      Really?

    3. JR

      Yeah, there's a weird thing going on.

    4. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      And I, I get, I get it from r- great comedians. Like-When I was a kid, there was this guy named Frank Santos, the R-Rated Hypnotist, and he would go on stage and make people do stuff. And like-

    6. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... you know, you're having sex with Madonna. It was really weird.

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      But there was a flow to the way, his confidence or something about him. And he was also an actual hypno-... like, you know, hypnotized people to quit smoking and shit like that.

    10. TS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      And (clears throat) there was something that he was doing where I was like, "What is he doing?" Like, how is he... Like, what is this connection where it's just so funny? Like, how is he getting into these people's heads? Like, what is hypnosis? And then I see, like, a guy like Aderell on stage when he's killing, and I recognize something in... I'm like, "He's hypnotizing us."

    12. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      There's something that he's doing, this-

    14. TS

      Oh, it's interesting.

    15. JR

      ... effortless, c- effortless confidence and connection to what he's talking about, and great material also, so you give him the reins. You're like, "Oh, this material is so good. I'll give you the reins. Take my brain. Take my brain."

    16. TS

      Yeah. "Take my brain."

    17. JR

      "Take my brains."

    18. TS

      And the rhythm of the cadence too.

    19. JR

      Yes.

    20. TS

      'Cause he has a very-

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. TS

      ... particular cadence. And you-

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. TS

      You know, if you hang out with him or work with him like I did a few times, you start doing the cadence.

    25. JR

      A lot of people do.

    26. TS

      Start doing the cadence.

    27. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    28. TS

      And I did that, I did that-

    29. JR

      (clears throat)

    30. TS

      ... um, in like '05, '06-

  6. 18:50 – 19:52

    Acting realities and time-cost: why Joe stepped away

    1. TS

      But did you, did you like any of the acting stuff? 'Cause I know you don't have any interest in doing it anymore, but did you enjoy it?

    2. JR

      Yeah. Yeah. News radio was really fun.

    3. TS

      That was fun.

    4. JR

      Yeah, it was fun.

    5. TS

      A fun job.

    6. JR

      I, I didn't mind doing it. It's just, I didn't like it as much.

    7. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    8. JR

      And I didn't like the time commitment that these, these ... (clears throat) I mean, I don't sound, sound like I'm complaining, "Ah, it's acting so hard." But it's like, you're l- working these long ass days.

    9. TS

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      And as a person who likes to do a lot of different things-

    11. TS

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      ... that becomes a problem.

    13. TS

      And you were on a multi-cam.

    14. JR

      Exactly.

    15. TS

      Imagine if you were on a single cam.

    16. JR

      Way harder. Single-

    17. TS

      That would've been-

    18. JR

      Single cams are crazy. I had friends that are on single cams, so I was like, "Oh my God. How are you doing this?" They were working six days a week, and they would work at, like, 12, 15 hours a day.

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      I was like, "This is so crazy." Like, I like to do a bunch of stuff, man. I like to do Jiu-jitsu.

    21. TS

      I know.

    22. JR

      I like to play pool. I-

    23. TS

      Are you rolling again? Like, are you-

    24. JR

      No. No.

    25. TS

      No.

    26. JR

      I'm still injured.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      I'm still dealing with, uh, some small ... it's a lot better now, lower back issue, and, uh, a little bit of a knee issue, but that's pretty good, too.

    29. TS

      Did I tell you how my-

    30. JR

      I'm pretty close.

  7. 19:52 – 23:09

    Kids, jiu-jitsu, and the ‘my schedule is crazy’ parenting story

    1. TS

      ... my little guy quit Jiu-jitsu?

    2. JR

      Why? Why'd he quit?

    3. TS

      (laughs) that's so fun. It's the funniest thing. They both go. Both my boys go. And we, uh, we take them in and my youngest is like, "This is my last one." He's six. And I go, "It's your last one?" He goes, "Dude, my schedule is crazy."

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. TS

      And I go, "What?" (laughs)

    6. JR

      He's like copying his dad.

    7. TS

      Yeah. He's talking like me. And he goes, "I have a full plate." And I go, "You have a full plate?" He goes, "I go to kindergarten, I got Spanish, I do drums. I don't have time for this."

    8. JR

      That's hilarious.

    9. TS

      And then he told the instructor, he told the, the guy in charge. I was like, "Tell him." He goes, "I won't be coming back. I have a very full schedule." And so that guy kind of, like, smiled, and he goes, "Well, what do you have?" He goes, "I told you, kindergarten, drums, Spanish. I don't have time to do everything." (laughs)

    10. JR

      He's six.

    11. TS

      Six.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. TS

      And I go, "Yeah."

    14. JR

      Is this the one who calls you Tom?

    15. TS

      Y- uh, well, they both did for a while. (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. TS

      But, but yeah. So-

    18. JR

      Ah.

    19. TS

      ... he goes, uh, but, but the instructor was great, and he goes, "Okay, okay." He goes, "Well, in life, you have to be strong, right?" And my kid goes, "Yeah." He goes, "It's not an option." And he goes, "Yeah." And he goes, "So if you have to be strong, then you have to do this." And my kid's like, "Yeah." He goes ... and the instructor goes, "So I'll see you Thursday." And he sticks out his fist, and my kid goes, "I told you, I'm too busy."

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. TS

      "I won't be here." (laughs) And so, he hasn't gone.

    22. JR

      Oh.

    23. TS

      But this is the thing about kids, is, like, he hasn't gone now in, like, a month. And then now he's like, "Hey, I wanna go back to Jiu-jitsu." And I'm like, "Of course." So-

    24. JR

      Of course.

    25. TS

      And also, his older brother is doing very well.

    26. JR

      Ah, that's a problem. He's like this motherfucker-

    27. TS

      And so he, he got, he got a new belt, you know.

    28. JR

      Uh oh.

    29. TS

      And, and he's ... my older brother's, like, fucking him up and talking mad shit all day.

    30. JR

      (smacks lips)

  8. 23:09 – 26:07

    Sleep, supplements, and lifestyle tweaks (creatine, peptides, no booze)

    1. JR

      Did you know to do that?

    2. TS

      Yeah. I started doing it every day.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      But that's a really big one for sleep deprivation.

    6. TS

      Really?

    7. JR

      Yeah. There was some sort of study where they showed that it completely, uh, diminishes the effects of sleep deprivation if you take, I think it's 20 grams. I think 20 grams of creatine, something crazy like that.

    8. TS

      I've been doing that. I have a whole new sleep protocol I'm doing.

    9. JR

      Ooh.

    10. TS

      With-

    11. JR

      A sleep protocol.

    12. TS

      With, like, I'm taking a bunch of peptides and shit. Yeah.

    13. JR

      Ooh. I just ordered an Oura Ring to track my sleep.

    14. TS

      That's good. Do you have y- do you have t- did you try that pineal peptide?

    15. JR

      No, I haven't. I heard about it. You were telling me-

    16. TS

      It-

    17. JR

      ... it really ramped up your REM sleep.

    18. TS

      Fucking awesome.

    19. JR

      Yeah?

    20. TS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Nice.

    22. TS

      Yeah. Anything for more sleep, I'm into, man.

    23. JR

      Tell you what really affected it.

    24. TS

      Quality sleep.

    25. JR

      Mm, no drinking. That really affected my sleep a lot.

    26. TS

      Really?

    27. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    28. TS

      You, are we-

    29. JR

      You don't feel bad.

    30. TS

      ... were you drinking a lot?

  9. 26:07 – 41:05

    Fitness events, weight loss inspirations, grip strength & calisthenics obsession

    1. TS

      You know we always talked about that freak show shit he has in him? Like, he's freaky.

    2. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a freak.

    3. TS

      We, we did the, the 5K in, in Tampa.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. TS

      We had, like, 8,000 people come out this year.

    6. JR

      That's amazing.

    7. TS

      It was crazy. And, um, so many people that are, like, you know, making...

    8. JR

      Look at that.

    9. TS

      Yeah, making leaps and-

    10. JR

      By the way, how good does Jelly Roll look?

    11. TS

      Dude. Do you know what he's down?

    12. JR

      Incredible. 200 pounds.

    13. TS

      Yeah. And from last year, 130.

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm. That's amazing.

    15. TS

      And he's like, "I wanna lose another 100."

    16. JR

      That's insane. So what's he at now?

    17. TS

      He's at 340.

    18. JR

      So he wants to get down to 240. Wow.

    19. TS

      He wants to get to 240.

    20. JR

      And he's a big guy. For him, 240 is probably right.

    21. TS

      Yeah, it's probably... Uh, and, and I... By the way, we were talking before he got there. The 5K had... It was in Raymond James Stadium where the Bucks play.

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. TS

      So I was like, "Well, how are we mapping out 3.1?" Well, the only way to do that in a, a venue of this size is you had to, like, use every, you know, square inch of the place. So they had us go up the ramp. Like, if you're gonna go up to the top, you, there's a ramp that goes up. It's nine stories up of-

    24. JR

      Oh, boy.

    25. TS

      ... all incline. And then you go across, then you go down and then you go up again.

    26. JR

      Oh, a lot of incline.

    27. TS

      So we... Like, half a mile plus of incline, right?

    28. JR

      Oh, Jesus.

    29. TS

      So before Joey gets here-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  10. 41:05 – 49:35

    Eating on tour, Italian food cravings, and ‘our food is poison’

    1. TS

      Um, just dial in ... You know, it's really about consistency, I feel like with me, right? Like my window for when I go, "Oh, shit," is just so much smaller than it used to be.

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. TS

      So right now I'm like, "Oh, I've slid a little bit. I've been on tour. I've been doing all this shit." I just have to-

    4. JR

      Tour, it's hard, right?

    5. TS

      It's hard.

    6. JR

      'Cause you're like, "I'm working. Fuck it. Cheeseburger."

    7. TS

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      "Let's eat."

    9. TS

      Sometimes.

    10. JR

      "Let's eat pizza. Let's go."

    11. TS

      Sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's also just that like, you know, I get into this rhythm of the way I'm eating and training at home-

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TS

      ... which is pretty good.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. TS

      And then you get out there and it's like, "Fuck, you know, we got on three planes," and you're just tired.

    16. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. TS

      You just don't do it.

    18. JR

      Yep.

    19. TS

      And then yeah, you just order whatever to eat. So you just feel it like slowly come apart. But I feel like I, I'm also at a place where I know if I-

    20. JR

      (coughs)

    21. TS

      ... if I dial in my diet and, and make sure I stay on top of like the training-

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. TS

      ... I can shed this 10 pretty-

    24. JR

      Yeah, you've done it before.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      You did it pretty, pretty well, you know? You've figured it out. And then you also have muscle memory now. I think, um, it's hard when you're traveling because, you know, you're just ... Anytime you're traveling, your energy level goes down.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      It's like you gotta figure out things to mitigate that energy level going down. And then counterintuitively, the best way to do that is to work out.

    29. TS

      Yeah, I know.

    30. JR

      Which doesn't seem like it makes any sense 'cause you're tired. "I don't wanna work out."

  11. 49:35 – 56:18

    Student debt, missing life-skills education, and a ‘loss of hope’ culture theory

    1. TS

      It's crazy that, you know, especially because we have kids in school, you realize that schools still, they don't emphasize nutrition or finance. I feel like that's-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. TS

      ... another crazy thing.

    4. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    5. TS

      Is to keep people from understanding how finance works at all.

    6. JR

      It is crazy, right?

    7. TS

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Like you- you're teaching kids about how to prepare yourself for the world, and you don't teach them about debt and about interest and how-

    9. TS

      The first thing that happens when you're a freshman in college is you walk through the student union and they go, "You want a credit card?"

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. TS

      You're fucking 18.

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. TS

      And they're like- you're like, "Yeah."

    14. JR

      And-

    15. TS

      They're like, "Yeah, it's got 29.9% APR. It's awesome."

    16. JR

      They're preying upon you.

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      They're literally preying upon you.

    19. TS

      And the school lets it.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TS

      The school is like, "Yeah, go ahead. Sign up."

    22. JR

      Oh, they- they don't give a fuck about you. You- you're-

    23. TS

      That's fucking crazy.

    24. JR

      ... grist for the mill.

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. TS

      You just literally- you're- you're paying fucking- you'll end up paying $300 for a Coke you bought.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. TS

      You know what I mean? Because you just-

    30. JR

      Ugh.

  12. 56:18 – 1:00:14

    Automation, bot farms, paid protests, and China’s ‘no rules’ approach

    1. JR

      That's what's really scary to me about AI automation, and then ultimately universal basic income. You're gonna get a lot of giving up. And then the government's gonna clamp down on you even more.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      And then it's gonna be haves and have-nots on a scale that we've never seen before. When, when you have companies that are in charge of these automated taxi services, and that's the only way people get around. And the government gives you a certain amount of credits, so you don't have to w- ever worry about traveling, you have credits, as long as you're a good boy, Tom.

    4. TS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      As long as you follow the rules, as long as you don't say anything crazy about Israel. As long as you don't do anything nutty, uh, you know, about vaccines.

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      As long as you don't step outta line when it comes to the election.

    8. TS

      Then your credits-

    9. JR

      Don't say anything crazy about this or about that, or, and take your vaccines, and if... That's a real possibility, uh, that they're just gonna extract, extract money out of us. Or attempt to, attempt to control. Like, uh, this is the grand, this is the grand battle of control.

    10. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      The more they have power over narratives, like, and, and it's also, like, there's things that are going on right now. Like, we were just talking about, um, uh, s- some friends this weekend, we're talking about, um, these bot farms. Like, there's evidence of bot farms that people have used to, like, go and attack people with, with certain things. Like, like, uh, like, b- bunch of different countries use bot farms. I'm sure a bunch of different corporations use bot farms too, but there's, no one's getting in trouble for it. Like, if you can pretend that your mass groups of people that are, uh, getting upset about something.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You can just pretend, and there's no... You could pretend.

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      You could just, like, you can hire people to go protest.

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      And fly them in on jets. Like, that's happening right now.

    18. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      There's this guy in Maine, and he made this video, um, where he was, uh, hired to drive these people to the airport. And he's trying to figure out, like, "Where are these, where are all these people going? I'm driving this bus load, two bus loads full of people at the airport." And, um, they were saying, "Well, we're going to a protest." And he's like, "What protest?" And then he goes and googles, like, where they're, where they're flying to. He's like, "Oh, this is a paid protest."

    20. TS

      Paid protest.

    21. JR

      They're paying people to show up and pretend that it's a protest. So it's like there's puppet masters-

    22. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      ... that are manipulating world even- and that's legal.

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      It's, you're allowed to pay people to go protest.

    26. TS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Which seems like that should be illegal. Like-

    28. TS

      Right.

    29. JR

      ... you shouldn't be able to pretend that you have an organic up-

    30. TS

      Well, yeah.

  13. 1:00:14 – 1:03:38

    Fakes vs. luxury authenticity: watches, jewelry markups, and lab-grown diamonds

    1. TS

      And it was, uh, there was a watch guy online who was like, "I have two, like, Daytonas."

    2. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    3. TS

      And he was like, "Dude." He goes, "This is the best one I've ever seen."

    4. JR

      Fakes, yeah.

    5. TS

      The fake, he had to-

    6. JR

      Perfect.

    7. TS

      ... he had to take it apart and to look at parts that were inside.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TS

      Like a spin wheel. He goes, "Oh, this is missing the logo."

    10. JR

      So which begs the question, like, what is it? Like, what are you buying? Do you want it from this company only or do you want a Rolex Daytona? Like, what do you want?

    11. TS

      Well, y- I mean, I think if... In, in the case of that, you know that the...... the, the movements, the, the actual inner workings of the real one are far superior.

    12. JR

      Are they, though?

    13. TS

      I think so, yeah.

    14. JR

      Why?

    15. TS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Well, I assume that. What if the other one has a 72-hour battery, or a-

    17. TS

      I mean-

    18. JR

      ... a power supply too?

    19. TS

      I-

    20. JR

      What if, what if you 3D print every single aspect of the watch?

    21. TS

      I bet-

    22. JR

      Then it's the same thing.

    23. TS

      ... with no ... Pretty close, I guess.

    24. JR

      Right?

    25. TS

      But-

    26. JR

      But it can be the same thing.

    27. TS

      I guess.

    28. JR

      Like, we're not talking ... Like, like, my watch, like, this is a Panerai.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Y- y- this could be fake. I, I mean, I bought it from my friend, so I'm sure it's real.

  14. 1:03:38 – 1:13:42

    Cars as ‘real’ engineering: restomods, Porsche vs. Ferrari, and manuals vs. automatics

    1. JR

      Do you ever, um, follow the YouTube channel Stance Elements?

    2. TS

      Uh-uh.

    3. JR

      It's, um, a w- it's, it's a guy who just works on cars. D- dope shit. And one of the things he's doing, he's building his own Ferrari F40.

    4. TS

      That's cool.

    5. JR

      So instead of buying one for, like, $3 million-

    6. TS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... which is ... Okay, I'm gonna say something that's gonna piss off these Ferrari people.

    8. TS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Uh, it ain't worth it.

    10. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      Okay? It's not worth $3 million.

    12. TS

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      It's not that good. It's not go-

    14. TS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      If y- if it was new today-

    16. TS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... you'd feel like, "This should be taken off the market."

    18. TS

      Right.

    19. JR

      Like, "This thing has zero fucking traction control." But because it's a classic, it's worth, like, a ton of money.

    20. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      So what he's doing is making it better.

    22. NA

      Stance Works.

    23. JR

      Sta- Stance Works. So that's just Stance Elements?

    24. NA

      Yeah, that's the-

    25. TS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      That's the w- Oh, that's the re- the-

    27. NA

      The B-Boys.

    28. JR

      The, the B-Boys. That's the, uh, break dancers. Which, by the way, Stance Elements ... How did, how did I fuck that up?

    29. NA

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Stance Elements, by the way, is also amazing. We could talk about that. But this guy, uh, Stance Works, he ... This is his own ... That's not a Ferrari. Like-

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