Joe Rogan Experience #2326 - Jimmy Carr

1. 0:00 – 1:50

   Sauna/cold plunge obsession, travel hacks, and awkward European nudity rules

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   2. JCJimmy Carr0:12

      Look at you, calm here, hydrated. I'm- I'm rehydrating having ... Well, I think I got it from this show, the sauna cold plunge thing.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I bet you did.

   4. JCJimmy Carr0:22

      I'm so into it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      That's awesome.

   6. JCJimmy Carr0:25

      So addicted to it. I got, like, the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Yeah. Changes your life.

   8. JCJimmy Carr0:27

      It really does.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JCJimmy Carr0:28

       It's, like, it's that dopamine for, like ...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       You're changing my life by crushing this liquid IV in the most bizarre way possible.

   12. JCJimmy Carr0:35

       I don't know. It's like it's somehow-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Smi-

   14. JCJimmy Carr0:36

       ... it's all shmushed up in there.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah, it's humidity.

   16. JCJimmy Carr0:39

       All right. Well, okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It probably got a little humidity in there. It needs one of them little packets you get in the chips that you always accidentally bite.

   18. JCJimmy Carr0:46

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       You know those little things they put in there to, like-

   20. JCJimmy Carr0:48

       What are those?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       ... absorb humidity?

   22. JCJimmy Carr0:50

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I don't know. I get – I think that's what they're for, right? Yeah, I don't have any idea what it is. They absorb humidity. Is that what they do? Those little-

   24. JCJimmy Carr0:57

       Salt or something. All right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Maybe they provide it. Do they provide humidity? What do they do?

   26. JCJimmy Carr1:01

       So- so the ... I did the, uh ... I'm now staying in, not exclusively, but, like, I'm ... My hotel choice, I'm solving for places with sauna or cold plunge.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Ah.

   28. JCJimmy Carr1:11

       So I can kinda do that in the morning and feel alive.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       There's a lot more of those now.

   30. JCJimmy Carr1:15

       Well, it's- it's great.
2. 1:50 – 4:12

   Saunas, unwanted advances, and learning empathy the hard way

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      You know where the real problem comes? Aggressive gay men.

   2. JCJimmy Carr1:55

      In saunas?

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      Yeah.

   4. JCJimmy Carr1:56

      I mean, there was very little of that going on, I think.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      Well, most of the time-

   6. JCJimmy Carr2:00

      Was that ... But that's ... I think saunas had that reputation for-

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      Oh, I've seen it.

   8. JCJimmy Carr2:04

      Like, in-

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      I've had a guy do it to me.

   10. JCJimmy Carr2:06

       Oh, really?

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Yeah, a guy looked me in the eye and take his robe and, like, open up his- his towel while he's staring at me.

   12. JCJimmy Carr2:14

       Is there more to this story? Where does this ...

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       No.

   14. JCJimmy Carr2:17

       That feels like ...

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       No.

   16. JCJimmy Carr2:19

       Okay. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       There's no moral to the story.

   18. JCJimmy Carr2:24

       Is the guy okay, Joe?

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       Yeah, I didn't hurt him.

   20. JCJimmy Carr2:26

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       I di- I don't think I even said anything to him. I just went like this. And then just didn't look at him, and then within three minutes, he put his towel back on and walked out and left. Like, so he was fishing.

   22. JCJimmy Carr2:42

       And that's how I met-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Threw a line out there. Psst. That's how I met your mother. Psst.

   24. JCJimmy Carr2:46

       And that is how I met Tony Hinchcliffe.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       (laughs)

   26. JCJimmy Carr2:49

       (laughs) Yeah, that's the origination story.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Ahhh! Yeah, it was, uh, it was insulting 'cause he wasn't even a handsome gentleman, you know?

   28. JCJimmy Carr2:58

       Well, I mean, w-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Wasn't even a good-looking guy.

   30. JCJimmy Carr3:00

       You're not in that business. Uh, you- you- you're- you're not in that business.
3. 4:12 – 5:22

   Fame as a social “attractiveness” amplifier and why hot people talk slowly

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      I guess.

   2. JCJimmy Carr4:12

      I- I often think, like, being a bit famous, you kinda know what it's like to be a very attractive woman.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      Yeah, but you don't because you're not as vulnerable, and no one's trying to, like-

   4. JCJimmy Carr4:21

      No, I mean-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:22

      ... stick their dick inside you for the most part.

   6. JCJimmy Carr4:23

      I mean in terms of you have predictable conversations.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      That's true.

   8. JCJimmy Carr4:27

      Like, I think ... I often think, like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      You get bullshitted.

   10. JCJimmy Carr4:29

       Yeah, re- super attractive women have the same conversation with people over and over again, and you blame them for being boring.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       Right. Where you from?

   12. JCJimmy Carr4:37

       Where you go-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Hey, you come around here a lot? What's going on? Hmm? Hmm, hmm.

   14. JCJimmy Carr4:40

       Yeah, it's the same conversation again and again and again.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Yeah.

   16. JCJimmy Carr4:43

       Which I think, like ... I- I always noticed that. My friend, Róisín Conaty, pointed this out to me. She said really, really attractive people, like gorgeous supermodels, speak very, very slowly.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Hmm.

   18. JCJimmy Carr4:55

       Because no one has ever interrupted them.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       (laughs)

   20. JCJimmy Carr5:02

       Like, I speak quick-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       (laughs)

   22. JCJimmy Carr5:03

       ... 'cause I'm rocking this. I go, "Quick, come on. Let's get something going here."

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Got to get it out.

   24. JCJimmy Carr5:07

       "Come on."

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah, that's actually a very good point, right? And also, you probably value your opinion way too highly because no one would ever question your ability to form a sentence or to figure something out because they wanna have sex with you.

   26. JCJimmy Carr5:21

       Yeah, so the- the-

4. 5:22 – 7:13

   Horoscopes, Nancy Reagan’s astrologer, and the unintended origins of the drug war

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Yeah.

   2. JCJimmy Carr5:22

      This is- this is how horoscopes got big.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      Hmm.

   4. JCJimmy Carr5:24

      Becau- incredibly attractive women spoke about their horoscope and no one went, "This- this sounds like some bullshit."

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      It's interesting you brought that up 'cause I was just watching the Danny Jones podcast today, and he had my friend, Hamilton Morris, on, who's been on this podcast a few times. And they were talking about the Reagan administration and about how the war on drugs really got started. Like, this is your brain on drugs, all that stuff, Nancy Reagan's pet project.

   6. JCJimmy Carr5:49

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:50

      And it was 'cause Nancy Reagan, according to Hamilton, and he- he's got ... I mean, he's a very intelligent guy.

   8. JCJimmy Carr5:54

      I've heard this. She had, like, a guru, didn't she?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:57

      Yes, but this is where- why it started. She was mocked-... for being, like, this frivolous person who was the wife of the president. And, and Hamilton sort of relates it to the way Melania Trump gets mocked. And, you know, she had apparent-... She apparently famously spent, like, an insane amount of money on new china for the, uh, for the White House, like, new silverware and china. And, uh-

   10. JCJimmy Carr6:21

       China.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Ch- oh, like, uh-

   12. JCJimmy Carr6:23

       That's how we pronounce it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       ... dishware?

   14. JCJimmy Carr6:24

       Yeah, but that's how we pronounce it in-

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       China.

   16. JCJimmy Carr6:26

       ... China, in the Trump household.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       China. But it w- you know, it wasn't a Trump household back then. It was Reagan. Um, that was a terrible Reagan impression. Um, but, uh, so anyway, um, she went to her psychic/whatever it is, astrologer/whatever this kooky person is, and they gave good advice. They said, "You gotta do something to distract it, so you have to have a cause." And so her cause became the war on drugs, her cause became just say no.

   18. JCJimmy Carr6:51

       Right. I- I- I mean, did that work out well? I forget. How'd the war on drugs go?

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       Well-

   20. JCJimmy Carr6:56

       How we doing?

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Not just that, well, Hamilton points out, how many people were arrested and how many lives were destroyed because of this decision by this one woman who was the-

   22. JCJimmy Carr7:07

       Not even elected.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:08

       ... wife of the president, who was trying to cover her ass 'cause she was looking silly in the press?

5. 7:13 – 10:52

   Jimmy’s marijuana policy joke and a serious detour into testosterone, risk, and gender

   1. JCJimmy Carr7:13

      I got, I got crazy drug views. Do you wanna hear my drug views?

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:16

      I would love to hear your drug views.

   3. JCJimmy Carr7:16

      Okay. My- I- the marijuana, specifically.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:19

      Okay.

   5. JCJimmy Carr7:19

      I think marijuana should be illegal for the under 30s. I think it should be legal 30 to 50.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:25

      Mm.

   7. JCJimmy Carr7:26

      And then I think over 50, mandatory.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:28

      That's not a bad dec- I don't like the under 30, but I- in all defense, I did not start smoking marijuana until I became 30.

   9. JCJimmy Carr7:36

      Well, I think it's that thing of, like, there's performance-enhancing drugs, right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JCJimmy Carr7:41

       And then there's... A- a- and there's, there's lots of them. I mean, testosterone is probably the- the biggest and the best, right? Uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       Oh, there's way better ones than testosterone.

   13. JCJimmy Carr7:48

       Well, but testosterone in terms of the world. Like if you look at the world-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Oh, sure.

   15. JCJimmy Carr7:51

       ... like people often quote the fact that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       Yeah.

   17. JCJimmy Carr7:53

       ... most of the s- h- you know, the biggest CEOs in the world are male. Yeah, but also 95% of the prison population is male, because what-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Right.

   19. JCJimmy Carr8:01

       ... testosterone gives you is... It's risk. It's the chemical for risk, so people take high risks, so they end up with all the rewards, but also destitute.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:11

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   21. JCJimmy Carr9:33

       I never knew that, no.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       Yeah. Women that are forced to, like, take care of themselves, and forced to, like, m- make all the money and run the household and take care of the children, their, their testosterone naturally rises.

   23. JCJimmy Carr9:43

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       Also, women have more testosterone than they do estrogen.

   25. JCJimmy Carr9:47

       That's interesting, isn't it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       Wild.

   27. JCJimmy Carr9:49

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       I never knew that until... I forget who, who said it, and I was like, "That's kinda crazy."

   29. JCJimmy Carr9:53

       But it's that thing of like, you know, for young women, if you're talking to young women, like, what would their advice be? And it's like... 'Cause young men take risks-

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Right.
6. 10:52 – 16:01

   Motherhood, gratitude, and unconditional love as the foundation of self-confidence

   1. JCJimmy Carr10:52

      Well, I don't know. I mean, I read a lot of, uh, it's like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry, these kinda great feminist writers. And they often sort of talk about this thing of like going, "We talk about one stage of feminism above..." And there's three.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:06

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JCJimmy Carr11:06

      There's like, there's the, there's the maiden, which is, you know, the young woman out for a career who can do just as... She can do anything a man can do, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:14

      Right.

   5. JCJimmy Carr11:14

      Absolutely. And then there's motherhood, which a man cannot compete, but feminism doesn't really talk about motherhood th- that much. It's like it's become almost like a right wing thing to, like, celebrate motherhood, right? And then there's th- the, what, what they call the crone, the older woman, post-menopausal, who's absolutely pivotal in our society.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      Mm.

   7. JCJimmy Carr11:37

      If you think about anyone having a crisis, just a, a woman comes from nowhere in her 50s or 60s and makes you a cup of tea and takes care of you.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:45

      Mm.

   9. JCJimmy Carr11:46

      It's like, it's an incredibly... That grandmother figure is so important in our culture, in our society, and it's not celebrated enough I don't think.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       No. Well, I- I had a bit on one of my specials back in the day about my mom. My mom actually did say this. She voted for Hillary Clinton 'cause she said, "You know, I just want a woman to be president." And I said, "You already make all the people."... like-

   11. JCJimmy Carr12:09

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       ... like, I go, (laughs) , "You make all the people. There's eight billion people, all of them made by women." I go, "You wanna be president too? You fucking greedy bitch." I'm like, "What else you want? All the money? You want al- you want a bigger dick? Like, what, what do you want? You want everything?" We don't celebrate the craziest thing, which is women make human life. Without them, it is not possible for any of us to be here. And that is almost, like, inconsequential. It's like you're not even-

   13. JCJimmy Carr12:35

       We don't even, we don't even talk about it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       Yeah.

   15. JCJimmy Carr12:37

       And the, the, the sacrifice made, the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       I know.

   17. JCJimmy Carr12:39

       It's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       Thank you for your service.

   19. JCJimmy Carr12:40

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       We really should say that to every mom, "Thank you for your service."

   21. JCJimmy Carr12:43

       It's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       You're making humans.

   23. JCJimmy Carr12:44

       It's miraculous. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:44

       Especially if you're doing a great job.

   25. JCJimmy Carr12:45

       Yeah. Well, w-

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       If you're a solid mom, that's amazing. It's an amazing thing.

   27. JCJimmy Carr12:48

       Well, if you're a solid mom, let, think about it, the, the best dad in the world is what? It's a mediocre mom.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   29. JCJimmy Carr12:54

       Like, i- like, if, if I take my kids to the playground, it's like, "Oh, fantastic." I- i- if mom does it, it's ju- it's kind of expected.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Mm-hmm.
7. 16:01 – 18:44

   Work ethic: inherited “factory settings” vs learned discipline (and why effort must be aimed well)

   1. JCJimmy Carr16:01

      But then, you don't see the kind of, the layer below that of going, "Well, I was born with ..." I think, like, beauty is a really interesting thing, right? So when you see someone and they're born beautiful-

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:10

      Yeah.

   3. JCJimmy Carr16:11

      ... uh, Margot Robbie and, but you might go-

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:12

      Right.

   5. JCJimmy Carr16:12

      ... "Oh, yeah, she's Barbie. She's gorgeous. It's easy for her." But when you look at Oppenheimer, you don't see, well, that guy was born with an IQ of 160.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      Yeah.

   7. JCJimmy Carr16:22

      And a work ethic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      Right.

   9. JCJimmy Carr16:24

      Now, work ethic is heritable, largely heritable, like 70% heritable.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Really?

   11. JCJimmy Carr16:29

       Yeah. And you don't just see-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       You don't just develop that?

   13. JCJimmy Carr16:31

       No, I don't think so. I think, like, it's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       That's interesting.

   15. JCJimmy Carr16:33

       Well, I mean, you develop some of it. And, you know, what, what you inherit, what you get in your, you know, your factory settings when you come out, that's what it is. You can only work with the other stuff. So that's the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       For-

   17. JCJimmy Carr16:44

       ... interesting stuff, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Factory settings, you think, involve work ethic?

   19. JCJimmy Carr16:48

       Yeah, I think so. We'll get-

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Ah, I don't think so.

   21. JCJimmy Carr16:50

       We'll get, he's on it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       I don't think ... my own life is, uh, a different example.

   23. JCJimmy Carr16:56

       You think your work ethic is-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       I just think it's just, I developed it, n- recognizing that it's valuable. And I think a lot of it I got from martial arts. Something like, my parents didn't have a work ethic. It just, it, uh, especially the physical stuff, it was never, uh, uh, no one in my house did anything physical. They did, uh, didn't do any sports, d- definitely didn't do any martial arts. It wasn't, it wasn't inherited at all.

   25. JCJimmy Carr17:21

       And then it came to you-

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       And then the idea of, like, pushing yourself. Well, it just, I, I learned from a young age that if you work harder than everybody else, you get better. It was just, like, simple math. And then, it was also, like, was dealing with this struggle-

   27. JCJimmy Carr17:33

       Did you use willpower rather than your ...

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Willpower is a funny word 'cause it's, it's really just knowing that there's a value in continuing to do things you don't wanna do and that there's a process. And it's hard to see the process when you're in the middle of it 'cause it sucks and you're tired and you don't wanna keep doing this and it's hard to do. But if you recognize, oh, the more I do that, the better I get. If you're an intelligent person, if you're an objective person who, uh, analyzes all the factors that are at play, you go, okay, what is the major factor here w- in terms of, like, getting better at a thing? Well, the major factor is work.... like, the more work you do and the harder you work and the more intelligent you work, like the more intensity and the more enthusiasm you have, you just get way better than everybody else.

   29. JCJimmy Carr18:26

       Well, I've always thought that, that's a really interesting thing of how hard you work is important, but what you work on is the most important.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       Yes. Right.
8. 18:44 – 30:44

   Astrology’s ancient roots, Catholicism’s “awe,” and returning to mystery via physics

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:44

      Total horse shit. But I think this is where we get back to the Danny J- Jones podcast. Um, um, I think there might be something to the original astrology. I think the people that were, like, really studying constellations and when people were born, I have a feeling that that is some, like, really ancient civilization knowledge that we just have, like, echoes of today.

   2. JCJimmy Carr19:09

      You know when it got suc- it got, ummm, kind of famous in our culture was I think it was the birth of a royal baby in about 1910, something like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:19

      Really?

   4. JCJimmy Carr19:19

      And the Lov- London Evening Standard had ... They'd run out of things to say about a royal baby, "It's cute. It's got, uh ... You know, it's got little baby fingers and baby toes."

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:29

      It's a Leo. (laughs)

   6. JCJimmy Carr19:29

      Yeah. And they did, they did that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      (laughs)

   8. JCJimmy Carr19:31

      They got ... Someone came in and went-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:33

      Oh.

   10. JCJimmy Carr19:33

       ... "Oh, you know, it was born here, and it's, it's the year of the rat."

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       Right.

   12. JCJimmy Carr19:38

       "And it's a, it's a Virgo, and it's a ... And that means with S- Sagittarius rising." And they wrote the thing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JCJimmy Carr19:43

       And then they realized everyone is kind of self-obsessed and wants to read about themselves.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:49

       Ooh.

   16. JCJimmy Carr19:49

       So that's, that's the one bit of the newspaper that's about you.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Right.

   18. JCJimmy Carr19:53

       So it ... Naturally, people are drawn to that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:55

       Yeah. I think-

   20. JCJimmy Carr19:56

       And it's like cold reading. It's like the way that they word these things, you go, "Well, that could apply to anyone."

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Right. But it does give you a nice chance to focus on you. "What about ... What's gonna happen with me?"

   22. JCJimmy Carr20:06

       Yes, but what about me?

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:08

       (laughs) The news? Who cares about Beirut? What about me?

   24. JCJimmy Carr20:13

       Yeah. Well, I think that's the ... The ...

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       Yeah.

   26. JCJimmy Carr20:15

       In, in the human condition, that's gonna be a big part of it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Of course. Of course. And that's how you sell newspapers. I think the newspaper version of the horoscope is obviously nonsense, at least partially. I shouldn't even say obviously. But I think ... I d- I have not studied this, and I'm not committed to this, but I do think the origins, the original origins of astrology, were probably based on some sort of an ancient understanding of the different effects that different stars, when they're in alignment, have on the universe, and I think it's partially be- ... Look, we know that the moon literally makes the tide go in and out. It af- The gravity of the moon affects the water. It makes the tide go in and out to the point where there's a high tide and a low tide mark at the beach.

   28. JCJimmy Carr21:08

       That's, that's why ... This is why I'm rehydrating now.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Yeah. You're-

   30. JCJimmy Carr21:10

       Because I realize I'm mainly water.
9. 30:44 – 42:54

   Play, phones as “binkies,” boredom as serenity, and cheap dopamine vs real joy

   1. JCJimmy Carr30:44

      And it's, it's playful. And I think... I mean, okay, this is my big theory on life. I think play is like we don't stop playing because we get old. We get old 'cause we stop playing.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      Yeah. I've seen that.

   3. JCJimmy Carr30:57

      And in our job, it's George Bernard Shaw, I think, said it first.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:01

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JCJimmy Carr31:01

      Anyway. But, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:02

      But he's wrong. You get old no matter what. (laughs)

   7. JCJimmy Carr31:04

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:04

      He's full of shit. You're gonna break a hip. (laughs)

   9. JCJimmy Carr31:07

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       If you follow that guy's advice, you're gonna fucking roll your ankle, for sure.

   11. JCJimmy Carr31:10

       Eventually. But yeah. But, you know, maybe playing Twister when you're 70.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       Yeah.

   13. JCJimmy Carr31:12

       Great. That's a good way to break a hip. But that thing of, like, going ... Play is sort of in short supply.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Yes.

   15. JCJimmy Carr31:19

       'Cause if you think about what anyone cares about, right, like people talk about sports all the time.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JCJimmy Carr31:24

       People talk about concerts and going to see music.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JCJimmy Carr31:26

       People love seeing comedy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JCJimmy Carr31:28

       And they love this kind of thing. Uh, uh, but this is like play, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       Uh-huh.

   23. JCJimmy Carr31:32

       We're, we're playing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       Sure.

   25. JCJimmy Carr31:33

       And sports is playing, and theater is playing, and comedy's playing. And there's not enough play in life. And really, I always think of that thing of, like, when I'm performing shows, like there's an illusion that it's me performing on stage. But actually everyone in the room is performing. It's a performative thing seeing a show. Like if you think about when you last saw, I don't know, um, Bruce Springsteen live and Bruce Springsteen goes, "How y'all doing?" And the whole place goes, "Yeah."

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JCJimmy Carr32:02

       If, if in Starbucks someone goes, "How you doing?" "Yeah."

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       (laughs)

   29. JCJimmy Carr32:06

       Psychotic. You get kicked out.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       Right.
10. 42:54 – 48:26

    Mental health: “hardware vs software,” physical activity vs SSRIs, and agency + empathy for everyone

    1. JCJimmy Carr42:54

       I find that thing of, like, the ... It's ... Whenever I feel anxious or depressed or any of those things, I always sort of think ... It's invariably with me, it's a hardware problem, not a software problem.

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       Hmm.

    3. JCJimmy Carr43:07

       So it's like, "Okay, have I slept?"

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:09

       Right.

    5. JCJimmy Carr43:09

       "Have I exercised? Have I eaten correctly?"

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:12

       Hmm.

    7. JCJimmy Carr43:12

       Uh-

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:13

       It's a good way to put it, hardware or software. Yeah.

    9. JCJimmy Carr43:14

       And then you go, "Okay, this is a hardware problem." Uh, but it's so hard to fix that-

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:19

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JCJimmy Carr43:20

        ... when you're depressed.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:21

        It is.

    13. JCJimmy Carr43:21

        It's so hard to, like ... It's like, it's all very well for us to go, "Well, you know, go for a run and do some exercise and have a cold plunge." It's so difficult when you're in that "I'm very empathetic to that" state. And I- I wonder, does it help that we slightly pathologize? You know, e- in our language, we say depressed and anxious, not sad and worried.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        Hmm.

    15. JCJimmy Carr43:40

        I- I- I want ... I mean, I think for some people it's a ... Listen, you don't wanna, you don't wanna be trivialize mental health problems, but you go, sometimes it's just the human condition. We're gonna worry about stuff.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        Certainly, you don't wanna trivialize mental health issues. However, you also understand that there's a tremendous benefit to being physically active that is actually better than SSRIs, statistically speaking. Like, so what do you prescribe? Is it better to prescribe drugs or is it better to be real with a person and say, "I know this is uncomfortable, but this is what you're going to have to do." And it sucks, but it sucks for everybody. And everybody has a test in life, and this is your test. Your test in life, you know, your test in life is not to try to win the Super Bowl. Your test in life is try to get up and not eat garbage today and drink a bunch of water and have some exercise. This is your test in life.

    17. JCJimmy Carr44:32

        Yeah. And-

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:33

        I think it's- it's not easy.

    19. JCJimmy Carr44:35

        It's, it ... Well, the, the issue is that you wanna be ... I think kindness-

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:38

        Right.

    21. JCJimmy Carr44:38

        ... is, uh, in ... Kindness is, it's the most wonderful thing.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:44

        It is.

    23. JCJimmy Carr44:44

        And here's the problem with kindness. There's a lot of kindness in the moment. Like, I've got kids. You've got kids, right? Your kids want ... What do they wanna do? They wanna eat McDonald's and they wanna watch TV. But ... And you wanna be kind in the moment, but you're gonna have fat, stupid kids.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:59

        Of course.

    25. JCJimmy Carr44:59

        So, you- you go, "Well, let- let's have some healthy food and let's read some books and let's run round outside." And maybe they don't wanna do that now, but you gotta, you gotta be kind to- to their potential.

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:10

        Yes.

    27. JCJimmy Carr45:11

        Not just to th- And- and then you kind of obviously ... You know, that, it kinda teaches you that, and then you kind of have to apply it to yourself. 'Cause you go, "Well, they're not gonna pay attention to what I say. They're just gonna watch what I do."

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:22

        Sure. Um, but then, you know, individuals that are struggling, you know? The- the problem is, if you don't know them, you don't know, like, what- what are, what are they going through? Is this nonsense or is this, like, really serious? Like, have they had ... They had a really fucked up life or are they just really self-indulgent and lazy? Like, what are we dealing with here? Like, what are we dealing with? Are we dealing with, like, tremendous depression because of, like, physical and sexual abuse and beatings and violence in the house? Are we dealing with that or are we dealing with some kid who their parents doted on them too much and the, maybe the parents were super negative, which is very, uh ... That is very contagious. Like, if you have, like, very negative family members and then-

    29. JCJimmy Carr46:08

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:08

        ... everybody in the family is always complaining. It's always something's wrong and someone did something to them, and it's always-
11. 48:26 – 1:01:39

    AI as an emerging God, optimism about progress, and exporting institutions instead of people

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:26

       Yeah, let's talk about it.

    2. JCJimmy Carr48:26

       You wanna hear my hot take on AI?

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       I would love to.

    4. JCJimmy Carr48:29

       All right. My hot take on AI is we were not made in God's image.... but we so wanted there to be a God, we made one in our image. So if you think about-

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:39

       Hmm.

    6. JCJimmy Carr48:39

       ... the attributes of AI, it's all knowing, all powerful, can perform miracles. It lives in a cloud.

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       Hmm.

    8. JCJimmy Carr48:49

       Sorry, is that God or AI?

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:50

       Wow. Wow.

    10. JCJimmy Carr48:52

        It's-

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:52

        Yeah. Interesting.

    12. JCJimmy Carr48:53

        It's... So at the moment, I think-

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:55

        Especially it's emerging, it's an emerging God, right?

    14. JCJimmy Carr48:56

        Well, it's, it-

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:57

        It's not even done growing yet.

    16. JCJimmy Carr48:58

        At the moment, it's the Oracle of Delphi.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:01

        It's like a 10-year-old right now, though. It's not even an adult.

    18. JCJimmy Carr49:04

        Yeah. And then, where's it going to?

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:05

        Yeah.

    20. JCJimmy Carr49:06

        So the idea of like, the interesting thing about AI is it's the, the gap between me and, I don't know, who's the smartest guy we know? Eric Weinstein.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JCJimmy Carr49:15

        Used to be enormous.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        Right.

    24. JCJimmy Carr49:17

        And now the gap is getting smaller because-

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:19

        Right.

    26. JCJimmy Carr49:19

        ... AI can just... I can ask it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:21

        Yeah. Yeah, bitch, I got all the answers right here. (laughs)

    28. JCJimmy Carr49:24

        Yeah. I mean, it's weird what's going on-

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:26

        With direct deeds.

    30. JCJimmy Carr49:26

        ... you know. I had a, I had a gag about it, about, you know, like a bit, uh, about, you know, our universities. You know, the students are using AI to write their essays, and then the tutors are using AI to mark the essays. And then after three years, AI gets the job.
12. 1:01:39 – 1:08:47

    Trust after COVID, vaccines/pharma incentives, advertising bans, and antibiotic market failure

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:01:39

       Okay, so the assassination of JFK. People are absolutely fascinated, right?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Sure.

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:01:43

       And what's been released, and what, what's-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:45

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:01:45

       No one seems to care about the guy that shot Trump.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       I think they do too, but there was very little information that's available. And we're, we're hoping-

    7. JCJimmy Carr1:01:55

       Uh-huh.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       ... there'll be more information now that, uh, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are in the FBI. But I'm not, like I, I saw them recently talk about Epstein, and they're saying that Epstein was, he definitely committed suicide. I'm like, "Definitely?" I don't ... 'Cause especially, but like-

    9. JCJimmy Carr1:02:13

       But, but there's-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

        ... Bongino-

    11. JCJimmy Carr1:02:15

        But there, you know, that, it's the terrible kind of, um, uh, the, the lag from COVID. The, the, you know, the long COVID, um, from a psychological perspective is trust. We've lost a lot of trust, because anyone that said it was a lab leak at the time was a maniac.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JCJimmy Carr1:02:32

        And then, you know, so y- so you go, when they tell us, "Oh, no, no, he committed suicide," you go, "Well, it's hard to believe now."

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

        Yeah. Well, it's also, it's way worse than, it was a concerted effort that's, was coordinated. And you could follow the paper trail now. Like, what used to be a conspiracy theory is now just facts. Like, th- you know, there was one thing that came out where... God, I'm so fucked.

    15. JCJimmy Carr1:02:56

        What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact? Is it five years now?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

        Find out who did... It was Yale. Yale did a study before the vaccine was even released, where they were running the effects of shaming people to try to coerce them into taking a medication to decrease vaccine hesitancy. And I think they're s- they, they were, they were running terms like "Trust the science."

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:03:26

        I mean, it's, it, it's, it's crazy because it's the, it's the baby in the bathwater. Because they, they did that, and then you go... And then there's, there's gonna be more measles in America.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:03:37

        And more kids wearing glasses that thick and going deaf from measles, because they're not taking the good vaccine. So you, it's, it's for me, it's like that idea of trust is such a... You know, when we talk about institutions, and the Constitution, and the, uh, and checks and balances. And we-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:03:54

        We need trust in our society. That's one of the great things that came out of, again, that's the Catholic Church.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:59

        Well, the, the real problem in this country when it comes to things like vaccines is we have narratives. And we either have narratives that all of them are bad, or we have narratives them all of them are good, and trusting the science. We have these, it, it gets strange.

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:04:13

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

        And then when, the real problem in this country happened when they absolved all pharmaceutical drug companies from any sort of liability for vaccines. And they did that because vaccines have side effects. Even if they are effective-

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:04:30

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

        ... they have side effects. It's part of the good and bad about them.

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:04:34

        Yeah. But, but-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

        There's going to be some people that are... So they were getting so many lawsuits that they were threatening to no longer produce vaccines. So during the Reagan administration, he gave them blanket immunity. And then they started-

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:04:46

        This is-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

        ... doing things like prescribing hepatitis B shots to babies, which doesn't make any fucking sense. It's a sexually transmitted disease you get from dirty needles and sex, and you're, you're giving that vaccine to babies. And it's kinda dangerous. And they did it because people weren't taking it. And so then you get a thing where you're just trying to profit more, and because you have this blanket immunity, you're taking advantage of this position.
13. 1:08:47 – 1:37:43

    Student debt as a trap, free education as national investment, and comedy as craft + community

    1. JCJimmy Carr1:08:47

       It's, it's there. I mean, I, I slightly think on education that we should do th- do the right thing, right? Instead of pumping the economy by printing more money and quantitative easing, I think America and the UK should cancel all student debt because we misold people some bullshit degrees, right?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:09:09

       Oh, 100%.

    3. JCJimmy Carr1:09:09

       And the idea that student debt, right? So you're taking those people that took a chance, and they went to university, and they gave their time, and they studied hard, and there's, there's a theory that woke came out of elite overproduction. So they ... People did everything right. They went to school, they studied hard. They went to university, they studied hard. They got a degree, and then they, they can't buy a house? They can't 'cause it's ... You know. Maybe, maybe the degree doesn't grow corn.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:09:38

       Hm.

    5. JCJimmy Carr1:09:38

       It's not in, in a STEM subject. It's in the humanities or something, and then they, they don't get the lifestyle that they worked hard for. I think we cancel their debt. I mean, I don't wanna sound like a communist here, but free education is not crazy because you-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:09:52

       It's not crazy at all.

    7. JCJimmy Carr1:09:52

       It's, it's an asset to your society. If you say, "Look, universities-"

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:56

       The problem is it's a giant subsidized business, in, in America at least. It's a giant subsidized business, and they're not gonna let it go. The reason why ... There's a really strong reason why it's the one-

    9. JCJimmy Carr1:10:05

       It was free when I went. When I went to university-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:10:07

        It's a really strong reason why it's the one debt you cannot absolve in America, even with bankruptcy.

    11. JCJimmy Carr1:10:12

        Why?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:10:13

        Because it's a scam. It's the dirtiest thing ever because look, if you're a 45-year-old man who's taking a lot of risks with your business and you go bankrupt, you're absolved. You're ... But you're an educated person with a lot of life experience, and you did risky things, and you failed, you're allowed to go bankrupt. But if you're an 18-year-old kid and you assume a $200,000 four-year loan to go to Harvard, you gotta pay that forever, for the rest of your life, and it, it gets interest. You know, it compounds.

    13. JCJimmy Carr1:10:45

        I feel like ... (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:10:45

        Like, I, I, I don't ... I, I tell-

    15. JCJimmy Carr1:10:46

        That's evil.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:10:47

        I can't see the downside in it 'cause you go, "This is the richest nation, not just in the world-"

    17. JCJimmy Carr1:10:52

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:52

        "... the richest nation there's ever been." And you go, "An investment in ..." And maybe you change it, and you go, "Well, well actually, university's a lot more difficult to get into now 'cause it's gonna be free. So it's gonna be ... Like, it's gonna be super difficult to get in there." It's still difficult to get into, even if it's expensive, Right now, it's not easy to get into, like, Yale or Harvard. It's very difficult to get into it. It's ... That's not gonna help you. The, the, the real problem is always going to be the fact that you're paying so much money when you're too young to know what that even means. You're too young to be-

    19. JCJimmy Carr1:11:23

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:11:23

        ... connected to $50,000 debt when you're 18. You don't know what it means.

    21. JCJimmy Carr1:11:27

        No.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:11:27

        You're 18 years old. You don't know what that kinda debt means and the fact that it's gonna follow-

    23. JCJimmy Carr1:11:31

        Well, it's also-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:11:31

        ... you around forever and haunt you.

    25. JCJimmy Carr1:11:33

        Eh, but also, it's li- ... It's the, um, uh, middle class and upper class kids that can take on that kinda debt.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:11:40

        Right.

    27. JCJimmy Carr1:11:41

        And the working class kids-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:11:42

        And then it's more of the haves and have-nots forever, yeah.

    29. JCJimmy Carr1:11:43

        But, but, but education was the great kinda equalizer, right?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:11:47

        Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 3:11:47