Joe Rogan Experience #2329 - Ehsan Ahmad

1. 0:00 – 3:04

   Macron slap clip, Candace Owens deep-dives, and a relationship age-gap reality check

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hey, fella.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad0:13

      Oh, what's up? (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs) What's going on, man?

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad0:17

      Good, good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      It's good to see you.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad0:19

      Good to be back.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Yeah, brother. I s- I've had a, um, a few interesting days, just chilling and relaxing, and trying to stay off the news, man. And then this morning, someone sent me, uh, a video of, uh, Bridget McCrone, Macron's wife-

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad0:33

       Oh, I saw that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... fucking face-slapping him.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad0:35

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah, that's wild, dude.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad0:37

       Dude, m- my favorite is the look into the camera once he realizes I got caught.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad0:41

       Yeah, he's like, "Oh," and he tr- it's like, it's very, you could put like the Curb Your Enthusiasm's theme song right after that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Imagine what goes on behind c- closed doors if someone's bitch-slapping you on a private jet. Like, what is that?

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad0:57

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       That's a weird relationship, man.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad0:59

       Well, she was his teacher.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Sh- if it was a she.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad1:03

       (laughs) Oh, yeah, there's a whole, like...

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       There's a whole, like, yeah.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad1:06

       There's a whole, like, thing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Like, bro, Candace Owens did like five hours on it.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad1:11

       (laughs) That's a little bit crazy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       But, yeah, she's the wrong dog to go after you.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad1:16

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Like, if you're, if you're trying to break into a hou- that's the wrong guard dog.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:19

       Right. (laughs)
2. 3:04 – 5:41

   Predators seeking access: Nickelodeon, Jimmy Savile, and institutional enablement

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad3:04

      Well, you, you, you know what's, you know what's interesting, is that like I- I listen to a lot of true crime, and they'll say that like pedophiles and stuff will put themselves in situations where they can abuse, and that's, I think, that that's why there's a lot of-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      Nickelodeon.

   3. EAEhsan Ahmad3:16

      Yeah, Nickelodeon.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      The Nickelodeon thing.

   5. EAEhsan Ahmad3:17

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      It's like the J- Jimmy Savile thing in England.

   7. EAEhsan Ahmad3:20

      That's crazy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      The craziest.

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad3:22

      (laughs) That's crazy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       The craziest.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad3:24

       I was trying to explain to someone this week, I was like, "Imagine if Mr. Rogers was the biggest pedophile that ever existed."

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       But also looked like one.

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad3:31

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       That's what's craz- Like, Mr. Rogers looks like a sweet guy.

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad3:35

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       You know what I mean?

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad3:36

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:36

       Like, back in the day, like if a guy like Mr. Rogers was teaching kids, you wouldn't even get creeped out. It's like, "Oh, he's just a sweet guy."

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad3:42

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       There's sweet people out there. But Jimmy Savile looks like a monster. He looked like a monster.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad3:47

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Like, didn't look like a real person. He looked like a w- what was that fucking movie? There was that movie that was based on a book. Oh, my god. Uh, Johnny Depp was in it. (snaps fingers) Um ... (snaps fingers) The guy from How I Met Your Mother was in it.

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad4:04

       I'm... (laughs) This is not ringing any bells for me.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       It's a really weird book that's like half fantastic, half realistic, sort of almo- almost Harry Potter-ish.

   25. NANarrator4:14

       The Secret Window?

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Oh, that's it.

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad4:15

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Let me see what it looks like.

   29. NANarrator4:17

       Uh, based on a Stephen King thing?

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       No, that's not it.
3. 5:41 – 6:19

   Sandusky and the ‘winning covers everything’ dynamic

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad5:41

      Oh. Well, that's the Sandusky thing too.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      Mm-hmm.

   3. EAEhsan Ahmad5:43

      Sandusky thing, same thing, like everybody knew about it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      (laughs)

   5. EAEhsan Ahmad5:46

      Oh, dude. Yeah, everyone knew about it, but they were winning, so (laughs) we were like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:50

      Oh, that is so...

   7. EAEhsan Ahmad5:50

      ... "Dude, we win championships." I didn't think-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      That's the devil. That's-

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad5:53

      It's-

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       If the devil's a real thing, that's where the devil lives.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad5:56

       Mm-hmm. It's very funny to me, at least for the foot- you know, that they exposed Sandusky after they went seven and six. They were like (laughs) they were winning-

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       (laughs)

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad6:03

       They were winning for so long, and then they're like, "Seven and six, uh-uh."

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       Is that really what happened?

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad6:08

       It was the same... They went, they had a horrible year, and then the next year, Sandusky, the Sandusky thing came out.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Oh, my god. They needed to make changes.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad6:14

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       He wasn't doing his job.

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad6:16

       I think he had already retired at that point too. It was-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Oh, well...

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad6:18

       Just crazy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       That's even...

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad6:19

       Mm-hmm.

4. 6:19 – 7:52

   Why powerful people never retire: corruption, leverage, and ‘ride it into the rocks’

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:19

      Yeah, that's when it's over, 'cause you're not valuable anymore.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad6:22

      Right. And so eventually-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:23

      You gotta, you gotta Biden that motherfucker. You gotta Pelosi that motherfucker right into the rocks.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad6:28

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      You know, like Dianne Feinstein?... in a wheelchair, being told by her operatives who to vote for.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad6:34

      Right. That's what you gotta do if you're somebody's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:36

      Like, ride that bitch-

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad6:37

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:37

      ... into the rocks.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad6:38

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       'Cause if you get out, then they start investigating you like, "Whoa."

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad6:42

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       Stay active.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad6:44

       (laughs) Yeah, you gotta keep, you gotta keep achieving.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       You gotta keep the con alive. Keep these people fed because they will feed you to the wolves.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad6:51

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Right? If you're a corrupt politician, you gotta stay in office. You can't retire. If you retire, you're open game.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad7:00

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       'Cause now you're, uh, you want a podcast, retired, talking shit? Let's get him.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad7:05

       Yeah, that's true. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       And they start auditing you and the r- oh, everyone's got some fucking shady sh-... They're all ma-... They made way too much money.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad7:12

       Dude.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       There's no way.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad7:14

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       There's no way it's not shady when you're worth 200 million and you make 170 grand a year. That's crazy.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad7:22

       Right. And then you have to stay.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       You gotta stay.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad7:24

       You have to.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       You gotta ride it into the rocks.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad7:26

       Also, there's something about that power-
5. 7:52 – 12:37

   Trump as a ‘standup’ politician and the media-age-stress comparison

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      Bro, you age. I think the best people age the hardest, you know? I think Obama like re-... Uh, was probably like a very idealistic young man who really wanted to change the world.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad8:07

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:07

      And that dude aged more than anybody.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad8:09

      Well, in thou-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      You know what I mean?

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad8:10

      Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you can see it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      Who ages least? Trump.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad8:13

      Trump. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      Trump just fucking-

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad8:15

       Th- this is something that, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       He just brushed that shit off his shoulders like it was nothing.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad8:18

       This is something that Derek said to me in like 2018 once. We were talking about it. He's like, "I don't know," 'cause he's not a big politics guy, but it's like, "Uh, I don't know if I trust Trump. His hair's not getting gray."

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       (laughs)

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad8:25

       What kind of politician doesn't get gray hairs? (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       Well, the hair itself, even he makes fun of his own hair.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad8:32

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       He, he was on stage talking about his comb-over.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad8:35

       Yeah, he's funny.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       He does standup.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad8:37

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       He's doing standup. Regardless of what you think about him, foreign policy, economics, regardless, the guy is doing standup. And that's-

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad8:45

       He can work a room.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       Well, that's why none of them can fuck with him 'cause he can go on a podcast easy.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad8:50

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       'Cause he does these stadiums where he just goes out and starts talking shit. He does Biden impressions.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad8:56

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       He does Biden w- wander around the room like he doesn't know where he is. He's funny, man. Okay? And the problem is he does it all the time, so he's got an act.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad9:05

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       He's basically like a comic. Like in a lot of ways. That's the problem, is like these other people are h-... They have canned speeches that are written by a bunch of people that have this like really well-worded, you know, explanation of what's wrong with the world, what's wrong with the country, and what they're gonna do. But it's not them. It's not them. That's why they all fall apart w- when they're talking and, you know, they just don't have any idea what the question's gonna be. That's why they had to be protected.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad9:36

       Right.
6. 12:37 – 16:20

   Cheney, war profiteering, and the limits of ‘better systems’

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad12:37

      Yeah. I feel like that's why Dick Cheney was so effective. He's like, "I'll just be number two."

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:41

      Bro, he was straight Satan.

   3. EAEhsan Ahmad12:43

      (laughs) Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      He was in the Bible. That guy was in the Bible.

   5. EAEhsan Ahmad12:46

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      He didn't have a pulse.

   7. EAEhsan Ahmad12:47

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:48

      At one, at one point in time, no, legitimately.

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad12:50

      Oh, yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:50

       He had an artificial heart, no pulse, and responsible for who knows how many deaths.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad12:56

       R- oh, countless. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       Who knows?

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad12:58

       Just a whole 20-year war that we had no business being in.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Not only that, you wanna talk about, like, transparent, this was all transparent before the internet. But imagine, it was kind of the internet was around, right? But not the same. The internet in 2001, there was no social media.

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad13:13

       No.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       It was a different kind of internet. But this guy was... They were getting... His former company was getting no-bid contracts-

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad13:19

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       ... for billions of dollars to fix shit that we blew up in a war that was his idea.

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad13:26

       That's a pretty i- uh, from the outside point of view, if you have the power to make money that way, what a genius, evil thing to do.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       So profitable.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad13:33

       I know. He might... Just billions of dollars. Enough that he didn't need a heart anymore.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       What do you... Like, how do you combat that with the idea also in place that capitalism is way better than communism?

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad13:46

       I just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       Which I think we all agree.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad13:48

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       So how do you combat that?

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad13:49

       I don't... I think I'm maybe a little more cynical than most people, 'cause I, I just, the way I look at it now is, like, I don't think you can. 'Cause I think whatever system that you end up putting in place, regardless, there are the haves and the have-nots.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:02

       Right.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad14:03

       Right? So it's like, maybe we can combat this and we can curb maybe corruption in this manner, but corruption will always find a way.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Right, but is there a way to minimize it? Is there a way to make it less available? Like, it seems like... I'm not, I'm just guessing.
7. 16:20 – 21:42

   Epstein files, ‘hostage video’ officials, and why the story never resolves

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:20

      Because here's a good example. They were gonna release the Epstein files day one. Right?

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad16:25

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      Okay, what happened? What happened?

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad16:27

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:27

      What happened? If that's what you wanted to do before you got the job, but then you got the job and day one you couldn't do it-

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad16:31

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:32

      ... okay, so what are we saying? Are we saying that this is, this is more complicated? It's probably a lot more complicated. There's probably a web... And then there's also people for decades and decades-

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad16:43

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      ... been developing relationships and working inside these fucking cr-... And that's the real government.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad16:49

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       That's our real government.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad16:50

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       That's our real government. These people realize that once they get into Congress, they realize that when they become a senator, they realize that. Like, "Okay, this is not the real government." And if you fuck with the real government, they'll take your ass out.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad17:02

       Yeah, they'll, they'll shoot you. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       They-

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad17:04

       Or they'll try.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       They did everything to Trump.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad17:06

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       They did everything. They did indictments, they did public shame, they did... They took shots at him.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad17:11

       But also with the Epstein thing, it's probably like, just way too many people are on that list-

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Bro.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad17:16

       ... for our government to be even any sort of functional. Look at the two of them. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       (laughs) It's a hostage video. Don't.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad17:23

       Dude, (laughs) dude, he looks so scared to be there right now.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Bro, this is-

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad17:26

       Just like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       ... is a hostage video.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad17:27

       That's, that's Kash right now being like, "Don't say the wrong name or I'm dead."

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Yeah, it does-

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad17:32

       (laughs)
8. 21:42 – 24:52

   Epstein’s cellmate, prison corruption, and ‘Goodfellas’ jail perks

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:42

      Did you ever see what Epstein's cellmate looked like?

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad21:44

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:45

      Bro.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad21:47

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:47

      You ready for this? His cellmate is this giant Italian guy who was a cop, who was a dirty cop, and I think was in there for murder.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad21:58

      Hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:59

      I think it was, like, a bad drug deal or some shit. Let f- let's find the details on this, but when you see what this guy looked like, you're like, "Are you fucking kidding me?" He looks like, like The Rock.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad22:09

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:10

      The guy's giant.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad22:11

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       And this is his cellmate. This mur- you put a murderer in with a guy who's the most high-profile witness and defendant in history, dealing with a sex slave operation for elites? And you left him in there with a giant murderer?

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad22:32

       Right. There should be a guard around him at all times. But they, yeah, they knew they were gonna liquidate him, like almost immediately.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       You know what I mean. You get an image of him, Jamie?

   14. NANarrator22:39

       Uh, I was digging through details of what he did that I hadn't... remember, I don't remember hearing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       What the cop did?

   16. NANarrator22:43

       Yeah. He had four life sentences.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad22:45

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       Jesus Christ. (laughs)

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad22:46

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:46

       Wait, well, let's show the picture of him.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad22:48

       Whoa.

   22. NANarrator22:48

       Well, I saw it, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:48

       The picture's insane.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad22:49

       That's cool.

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       When you see what he looks like, you're like, "This guy looks like a, a heavyweight MMA fighter."

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad22:53

       Right. They were just waiting for him to die.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:55

       Bro, he literally looks like a gorilla. Look at him. Far right picture, that one, yeah.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad22:59

       Damn.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:59

       Look at the size of this guy. Imagine-

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad23:03

       Damn.
9. 24:52 – 27:13

   Narcocorridos, visas, and the hypocrisy of outlaw culture in art

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      Yeah. It's always corruption. I was reading about this, uh, famous Mexican singer who was supposed to be playing in Dallas.Um, he had a f- 50,000-seat place. He was doing the place where, like, the Cowboys play.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad25:07

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:07

      And they canceled his visa.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad25:10

      Really?

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:11

      Yeah. Because he, he sings those Narcos songs.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad25:14

      Mmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:15

      Yeah.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad25:16

      Mmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:16

      And one of ... Which are ap- apparently like s- It's gangsta rap.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad25:21

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       It's the Mexican version of gangsta rap.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad25:23

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       But gangsta rap is fine.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad25:26

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like gangsta- (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       Gangsta rap. (laughs)

   16. NANarrator25:30

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:30

       Weird, right?

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad25:31

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       A little weird.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad25:32

       That's truly the reason? Just 'cause he sang the Narcos song?

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       Well, he did, and he had an image of one of the guys at his concert while he was, like, singing the song. There was an image of one of the, uh, one of the head guys.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad25:43

       Yeah. Well, I think to sing one of those Narcos songs, you need to get it, like, approved by the guy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       Yeah.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad25:48

       So it's, like, a part of the whole thing. But it's like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       Yeah. So he had an image of the guy, like, in homage to him while he sang this song.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad25:54

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:54

       And they're like, "That's where we draw the line."

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad25:57

       Mmm.

   29. NANarrator25:57

       It might've been a different guy.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad25:59

       What do you mean?
10. 27:13 – 35:07

    Texas THC crackdown, prison lobbies, and regulating the wrong things

    1. EAEhsan Ahmad27:13

       Y- Oh, my God. Oh, the, the-

    2. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       That's the reality.

    3. EAEhsan Ahmad27:17

       Anti-marijuana, uh, THC is on the governor's desk today.

    4. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Oh, boy.

    5. EAEhsan Ahmad27:20

       I know. It's, like ... And it's, like, it's so funny that it's like you wanna be seen as, like, tough on the border and, like, tough on immigration.

    6. JRJoe Rogan27:28

       Yeah.

    7. EAEhsan Ahmad27:28

       And yet you hand the cartels a big win by, by making THC illegal. It's crazy.

    8. JRJoe Rogan27:34

       From what I heard, uh, there's an issue, um, that one of the issues in any time, any time there's, like, uh, especially with marijuana laws.

    9. EAEhsan Ahmad27:41

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan27:42

        It's the prison lobby. Prison lobbies-

    11. EAEhsan Ahmad27:44

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan27:44

        ... have a say.

    13. EAEhsan Ahmad27:45

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan27:45

        Like, prison lobbies are very powerful.

    15. EAEhsan Ahmad27:47

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan27:47

        They're very big and, and they don't wanna cut back on business.

    17. EAEhsan Ahmad27:50

        No.

    18. NANarrator27:50

        It's the devil again.

    19. EAEhsan Ahmad27:51

        (laughs)

    20. NANarrator27:52

        It's the devil again. Same with alcohol companies.

    21. JRJoe Rogan27:53

        It's, yeah ...

    22. EAEhsan Ahmad27:54

        And, uh, big pharma.

    23. JRJoe Rogan27:55

        Yeah, alcohol companies for sure. They don't wanna, like, lose alcohol, but I don't think they would.

    24. NANarrator28:00

        I, I don't think so.

    25. EAEhsan Ahmad28:00

        I mean, maybe they've done studies.

    26. JRJoe Rogan28:01

        I think they already know alcohol sales are down wherever weed's popular.

    27. EAEhsan Ahmad28:04

        Interesting.

    28. NANarrator28:04

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan28:05

        Not like no one's drinking, obviously, but they're down. And it's a big pharma thing, too, where it's like they ... If people self-medicate their anxiety with m- weed, which is what a lot of people do, then they're not gonna go to the doctor for pills.

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad28:18

        (laughs)
11. 35:07 – 39:29

    Porn ID verification, blackmail risk, deepfakes, and the ‘end of video evidence’

    1. EAEhsan Ahmad35:07

       I felt the same way about the porn ban here too, and, like, and I, and we were talking about it earlier how I've stopped watching porn.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:12

       Yeah.

    3. EAEhsan Ahmad35:12

       Because I think, I mean, uh, definitely there was an addiction there, and there's also, like, you should have to work to see a naked woman.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       Yeah, but let's be clear, there's not a ban here. You, just, you have to be 18.

    5. EAEhsan Ahmad35:22

       Oh, you have to be, well, you have to be 18. Right, right, right. It's not a ban, but, like, you have to be 18 and then you have to send your ID in. There's, like, t- uh, like, there's, like, biometric face scans for some of the sites you have to do. It's, like, really kinda-

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       Interesting.

    7. EAEhsan Ahmad35:33

       ... it's, like, really kinda, like...

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:35

       They're gonna fucking blackmail the shit outta you.

    9. EAEhsan Ahmad35:37

       Yeah. Yeah, it's like really-

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        You know at milfs.com?

    11. EAEhsan Ahmad35:40

        Right, right, right. (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:41

        With pictures of you gooning, your dick out, your...

    13. EAEhsan Ahmad35:44

        Im- (gagging sound) Yeah, like, because well, you gotta pr- pretend that, like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:46

        Yeah.

    15. EAEhsan Ahmad35:46

        ... oh, this, this, this is gonna go to a place where no one's gonna access it? You're gonna know my porn hab-... That's, like, weird.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:50

        It's all weird because meanwhile everyone has a camera on their phone.

    17. EAEhsan Ahmad35:53

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:53

        Everyone has a camera on their computer. All those cameras can be hijacked. It's very easy to do.

    19. EAEhsan Ahmad35:58

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        And then even if they didn't, now we have AI that will make it.

    21. EAEhsan Ahmad36:02

        Yeah, you could just, uh, ma- make porn-

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:04

        Yeah.

    23. EAEhsan Ahmad36:04

        ... with whoever you want.

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:05

        Not just that, but make videos of you jerking off with your little-

    25. EAEhsan Ahmad36:09

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:09

        ... tiny, limp dick.

    27. EAEhsan Ahmad36:10

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:11

        (laughs) I mean, it doesn't have to, it doesn't have to be real anymore.

    29. EAEhsan Ahmad36:14

        Right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:15

        Y- you could be, you know, th- I mean, there's gonna 100% people get blackmailed for stuff that they didn't do.
12. 39:29 – 43:06

    AI persuasion in the wild: University of Zurich Reddit bot study

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       Like, you can get it, but it's complex. But there was... There's some weird shit going on. And one of 'em, this, was this study that we just found out was going on on Reddit from the University of Zurich.

    2. EAEhsan Ahmad39:40

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:40

       Do you know about that one?

    4. EAEhsan Ahmad39:41

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:42

       This one is fucking insane. What does this say?

    6. NANarrator39:44

       Explain the blockchain to a five-year-old.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:46

       Oh. Explain the blockchain (laughs) to this person.

    8. EAEhsan Ahmad39:49

       (laughs)

    9. NANarrator39:49

       (laughs)

    10. EAEhsan Ahmad39:49

        Powerful, ChatGPT.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:50

        Yeah. Thank you, AI. Thank you, the- the thing we're trying to stop this.

    12. EAEhsan Ahmad39:53

        Oh, this is-

    13. JRJoe Rogan39:53

        This is-

    14. EAEhsan Ahmad39:53

        This is Grok. Grok does this.

    15. JRJoe Rogan39:55

        Grok does. Imagine a special notebook that lots of people share. When someone wants to write something in it, like, "I, I gave an apple to my friend," (clears throat) everybody checks to make sure it's true. Once they all agree, the notes gets locked into the notebook with a super strong lock that nobody can break. Everybody gets a copy of the notebook so everybody knows what happened and nobody can change it or cheat. This notebook is like a blockchain. It keeps things fair and safe for everyone. Hmm. Well, seems a little sketchy.

    16. EAEhsan Ahmad40:21

        (laughs) Exactly. Like-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:22

        Now I'm, now I'm less-

    18. EAEhsan Ahmad40:23

        Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:24

        ... less convinced.

    20. EAEhsan Ahmad40:25

        Yeah. I, I, I thought... I, I stopped the bullshit on the first one, like-

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:28

        Now I'm less convinced.

    22. EAEhsan Ahmad40:28

        ... something's, something's about this is off.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:29

        So this university-

    24. EAEhsan Ahmad40:30

        It seems like a cope, of like, "No, we can stop it." They say, "No, you can't."

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:33

        Yeah. "No, you can't."

    26. EAEhsan Ahmad40:34

        (laughs) Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan40:34

        "You can't." You have a good... That's a slippery fish.

    28. EAEhsan Ahmad40:36

        The Pandora's box is open, dude.

    29. JRJoe Rogan40:38

        T- it is open.

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad40:39

        It's completely open.
13. 43:06 – 1:13:34

    Israel–Palestine discourse: propaganda tactics, accusations, and ‘did they know?’ theories

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       You're, you're seeing a lot of this flailing around. And sometimes it works, and then sometimes it doesn't work. Like the Israel-Palestine thing, it's not working. The-

    2. EAEhsan Ahmad43:16

       No. There's, there's too many voices being like, "Hey, this is, like, fucked up what's happening over there."

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:20

       Yeah. There's too many voices. And there's-

    4. EAEhsan Ahmad43:22

       There's too many voices.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:22

       And there's too many people that are trying real hard to gaslight you. There's a, a lot of-

    6. EAEhsan Ahmad43:26

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       ... a lot of what-about-isms. "But what about what's happening here?"

    8. EAEhsan Ahmad43:30

       Well-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:30

       "What about..."

    10. EAEhsan Ahmad43:30

        There's a lot of the, the, uh, what they've done is, at least in terms of, like, in the public perception, they've, they've done a g- good job of making it seem like, "Oh, if you're anti-Israel doing this, you're anti-Semitic." And it's like, that's not necessarily ... that's not the same thing at all.

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:45

        The problem is, too many Jewish people have joined in.

    12. EAEhsan Ahmad43:48

        Hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:48

        It's like, you can't say that. It's like, that, that, that's a p- it p- it's also a p- a poor strategy-

    14. EAEhsan Ahmad43:54

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        ... because it, is it a ... if you really wanna convince people that you're correct, you don't do it that way.

    16. EAEhsan Ahmad43:59

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:59

        You don't, you don't just immediately go to Nazi, Nazi apologists, Holocaust denier. Well, you're just trying to scare them.

    18. EAEhsan Ahmad44:05

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        Okay? You don't immediately go to that. You, you should be engaging on the issues. The problem is, the facts of the issues are horrific.

    20. EAEhsan Ahmad44:14

        Yeah, they're-

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        The numbers are fucking horrific.

    22. EAEhsan Ahmad44:16

        (laughs) They're killing aid workers, children. It's like, it's, it's v- I mean, we can all ... At a certain point, it's like y- we all see it.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:22

        Yeah, it's like, w- what do you want us to do? You want us to pretend? Because we're afraid of being labeled anti-Semitic, you want us to pretend that that's normal?

    24. EAEhsan Ahmad44:29

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:29

        Like, what do you want, what do you, what, what are we doing? It's, it's ... The whole thing is fucking crazy. And this doesn't, like, dismiss that what Hamas did was evil either.

    26. EAEhsan Ahmad44:38

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:39

        Like, it's not ... No one's saying that. Like, no, of course it's fucking horrific that people would attack a music festival and murder young people-

    28. EAEhsan Ahmad44:47

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:47

        ... and kidnap people and not give them back. And yeah, they definitely should give them back. But also ...

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad44:52

        You shouldn't kill every single person in Gaza.

Episode duration: 3:08:34