Joe Rogan Experience #2329 - Ehsan Ahmad

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hey, fella.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad0:13

      Oh, what's up? (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs) What's going on, man?

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad0:17

      Good, good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      It's good to see you.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad0:19

      Good to be back.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Yeah, brother. I s- I've had a, um, a few interesting days, just chilling and relaxing, and trying to stay off the news, man. And then this morning, someone sent me, uh, a video of, uh, Bridget McCrone, Macron's wife-

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad0:33

       Oh, I saw that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... fucking face-slapping him.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad0:35

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah, that's wild, dude.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad0:37

       Dude, m- my favorite is the look into the camera once he realizes I got caught.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad0:41

       Yeah, he's like, "Oh," and he tr- it's like, it's very, you could put like the Curb Your Enthusiasm's theme song right after that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Imagine what goes on behind c- closed doors if someone's bitch-slapping you on a private jet. Like, what is that?

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad0:57

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       That's a weird relationship, man.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad0:59

       Well, she was his teacher.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Sh- if it was a she.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad1:03

       (laughs) Oh, yeah, there's a whole, like...

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       There's a whole, like, yeah.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad1:06

       There's a whole, like, thing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Like, bro, Candace Owens did like five hours on it.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad1:11

       (laughs) That's a little bit crazy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       But, yeah, she's the wrong dog to go after you.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad1:16

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Like, if you're, if you're trying to break into a hou- that's the wrong guard dog.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:19

       Right. (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      start hedging their, their decisions of what they're gonna talk about or discuss or go, be against, because they're gonna run for re-election, which they're always doing.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad15:07

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      They're always in a constant cycle of generating more m- donor money and running for re-election and making everybody happy.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad15:15

      I think, I think you, uh, at least for, like, I, you see that with AOC, someone who w- you know, when she was coming up, it was like a whole anti-system sort of Democrat.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Mm-hmm.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad15:24

      And then 2020, endorses Biden. So it's like eventually they get you to play ball.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Well, it's like, who would she endorse if she didn't endorse Biden?

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad15:33

      I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      This is the argument that Bernie Sanders made on, on Flagrant.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad15:36

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       He was essentially saying to, uh, Akash and Andrew, he was saying, "What... I- my choice was either, uh, help Donald Trump or support the Democratic Party, even though they fucked him over." And so his, his choice, he made the choice to support Hillary.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad15:55

       Well, I, I mean, I get it from Bernie's perspective, but if I li- like, in my mind if I'm like... I don't know, and this is me not knowing anything about how Congress works, but it's like, if I'm supposed to be the next young, like... I'm the change of the Democratic Party, I think the, the power move is to not endorse anybody there, if I'm in, like, an AOC position of just like...

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       I think the system is a little more locked down than we'd like to think.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad16:17

       Right, right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Well, clearly it is, right?

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad16:20

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Because here's a good example. They were gonna release the Epstein files day one. Right?

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad16:25

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Okay, what happened? What happened?

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad16:27

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       What happened? If that's what you wanted to do before you got the job, but then you got the job and day one you couldn't do it-

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad16:31

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       ... okay, so what are we saying? Are we saying that this is, this is more complicated? It's probably a lot more complicated. There's probably a web... And then there's also people for decades and decades-

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad16:43

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       ... been developing relationships and working inside these fucking cr-... And that's the real government.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad16:49

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       That's our real government.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad16:50

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       That's our real government. These people realize that once they get into Congress, they realize that when they become a senator, they realize that. Like, "Okay, this is not the real government." And if you fuck with the real government, they'll take your ass out.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad17:02

       Yeah, they'll, they'll shoot you. (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      the mafia rose to prominence in the United States during Prohibition. That was Al Capone.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad30:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      I mean, he made his money moonshining.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad30:07

      Right. And then, and then to turn around and be like, "Well, he can't sing about the cartel life, but we're-"

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Right.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad30:11

      "... we'll invite them in," is, like, such a crazy-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Yeah.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad30:15

      It's like a weird attack on free speech that's coming and that's li- that I don't ... I'm not a big fan of.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      The Godfather is one of the greatest movies of all time.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad30:21

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       It's a movie about the mob. Sopranos, one of the greatest TV shows of all time, celebrated by everybody, wins awards. It was about the mob. It was sympathetic. The main mob character in the show was a murderer.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad30:35

       Yeah, and he's one of my favorite characters of all time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Love him.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad30:37

       Tony Soprano's incredible.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       (laughs)

   16. NANarrator30:38

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How come that's okay?

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad30:41

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Right?

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad30:42

       Right, right, right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Right. It's weird.

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad30:44

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Like, what are we doing? Is it because the mafia's not a real threat anymore?

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad30:47

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       They think they've kind of taken the teeth out of the mafia?

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad30:50

       Yeah, I mean, towards the end, uh, you see it towards the end of the, uh, series as well, them talking about how, like, the mafia can't really shake down local stores anymore 'cause they don't exist and all that. And-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Right.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad30:58

       They're probably a little ... They're definitely less afraid of the mafia, even in the late '90s.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Oh, yeah. Well, Giuliani cleaned it up.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad31:04

       Right.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh. How could I…

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad45:00

      coming?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Oh. How could I guess?

   3. EAEhsan Ahmad45:02

      I think. I think they did.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      I think that 100% people have allowed attacks to take place-

   5. EAEhsan Ahmad45:09

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      ... so that they could ramp up the mil- There was some talk about that from Pearl Harbor, wasn't there?

   7. EAEhsan Ahmad45:14

      Yeah. Well, there's a, it's like, uh, the, the three big ones, Pearl Harbor, October 7th, 9/11. There is, like, a little bit of, like, "I think they saw it coming." Like, Pearl Harbor, uh, every single important ship was out on a training exercise-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:26

      Yeah.

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad45:26

      ... that day. You know, there was e- uh, with 9/11, there was all these reports that, "Hey, there's an attack coming." And then w- I think with, uh, October 7th, there was a sena- uh, a rep- representative, I think his name is Mike McCaul. He's, like, the head of the foreign committee, I think. I think that's what his name is. I could be wrong.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Hmm.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad45:44

       But he, he said that Egypt had warned Israel that these attacks were coming-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Wow.

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad45:49

       ... three days prior. I think I read that on BBC News a while ago.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Wow. Who knows if that's true?

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad45:54

       Yeah, but-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       The, the problem is, like, government is also incompetent. They're corrupt, but they're also incompetent. And it's hard to know sometimes. Like, was 9/11, did they know it was coming and they allowed it to happen?

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad46:06

       Or-

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Or do they just, are they just ... There's so many different fucking people that wanna be the boss, and there's so much bullshit going on-

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad46:14

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       ... that it's very difficult to have, like, a coordinated response.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad46:18

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       "Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US Congressional panel chairman has said." So one person said it. "Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as absolutely false." So he says they're not true.

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad46:37

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       "Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian mili- militants in Israel's 75-year history." That's pretty wild too-

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad46:47

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       ... that Israel's got a 75-year history.

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad46:49

       (laughs) Yeah. It's a, it's a young country.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       Isr- it's like if it was a baby, it'd be still alive.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad46:53

       Yeah. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       You know?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:40

   Yeah. It's kind of…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      it.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:01

      Yeah. It's kind of like the... I think, to me, one of the biggest damages that social media has done, it's m- it's made what- for whatever reason, your politics is now your personality.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      It's your entire identity.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:11

      It's your entire identity is who you voted for.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Yeah.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:13

      And it's like that's an... That... You know, that's an insane thing that-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Yes.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:18

      ... like, really be like, "Oh, I b- I base my friends on who they voted for. I base my social circles around who they voted for." Like, that's a crazy d- or dangerous way to be. It's like there's no r-... You don't wanna... You don't want the country to be in teams like that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      It's dangerously tribal.

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:33

       Yeah, you don't want it-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       Dangerously tribal.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:34

       Yeah. You want some people to be on this side, some people to be on this side, and then most people to be like, "Well, what fits the, sort of, what the country needs right now-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Right.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:42

       ... and be more malleable?" But the more and more people are getting (clicks tongue) -

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Yeah.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:46

       ... separated, it's, like, worse and worse for the country.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       It's dangerous.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad1:00:49

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       It's also stupid, because most people don't even understand that they have been coerced into, uh, at least... It's, it's moved your opinion in a way.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad1:01:01

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       Depending upon your environment, the people you hang out with. There's a lot of social dynamics at play when it comes to, like, political opinions. There's truth, there's, like, undeniable truth, and then there's a lot of, like, bullshit and gaslighting. And you could choose to buy into either side-

   22. EAEhsan Ahmad1:01:18

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       ... either side of the bullshit and gaslighting, depending upon, like, how you're accepted in your community. We're, we're just so malleable, which is why there's so many different cultures all over the world. Human beings are so malleable. We're exactly the same thing.... but yet we, we're different everywhere. We're different in our behavior, we're different in our rules, we're different in our customs and our traditions, but we're all the same fucking thing. We, we can swing all... We, we're adaptable to any kind of environment.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad1:01:51

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       We could live in Siberia, we can live in the Bahamas. You know, we figure it out. Right? And one of the ways to figure it out is you gotta fit in.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad1:01:59

       Hm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

       Like, you've got to fit in socially, 'cause if you don't, you're not popular. If you're not popular, you know, you're not gonna get cooperation, you're not gonna... No one's gonna help you if things go bad. Like, you gotta fit in. Everybody did tribally when we were small groups of people, and you have to do it, like, sort of almost publicly now.

   28. EAEhsan Ahmad1:02:18

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       You know? Which is why-

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:02:18

       You have to have a stance on things. You have to have-

Episode duration: 3:08:34